From: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com (klf-digest) To: klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: klf-digest V2 #460 Reply-To: klf-digest Sender: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-klf-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes klf-digest Wednesday, June 20 2001 Volume 02 : Number 460 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 15:42:29 +0100 From: Nigel_Armstrong@tertio.com Subject: Re: (klf) Wanda Dee takes the credit Why don't B&J sue? Assuming they care anyway: lawyers cost money, Wanda Dee almost certainly hasn't got any, so they couldn't get their fees back; she's in the U.S. and they're in the UK, making it even more expensive and complicated. As a comparison, Bobby Farrell has passed himself and some pick-up singers off as Boney M, even though he only danced and mimed on 'live' appearances, Frank Farian actually supplying the male voice on their records. I believe he still does so, despite legal wranglings - presumably with record company backing, as Boney M's records still make money. I am not comparing Boney M musically with the KLF, just that there is a parallel in terms of a one-time minor participant exaggerating their role and passing off a feeble imitation as the real thing. Nigel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 15:47:31 +0100 From: Andrew Robinson Subject: Re: (klf) Wanda Dee takes the credit Nigel_Armstrong@tertio.com wrote: > > Why don't B&J sue? Probably because they sampled her without permission, and had to settle matters on her terms. She's quite possibly allowed to claim whatever she likes about her relationship to the klf as part of the settlement. - - Andy_R # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 15:18:20 -0000 From: "Maarten Bouwes" Subject: Re: (klf) Wanda Dee takes the credit >>Why don't B&J sue? Assuming they care anyway (...) I think B&J donīt give a shite. And when it happens, savour it, because it very quickly slithers into disinterest and gets forgotten as life marches on" Life goes on and the lifes of B&J got on. I think they donīt give a shite as Bill wasnīt impressed of the disillusionment of the die-hard fan in "now thatīs what i call disillusionment, 2" _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:56:28 EDT From: Darrenforster99@aol.com Subject: Re(2): (klf) Wanda Dee takes the credit >Outside of the UK (or possibly outside Europe), Bill & Jimmy do not own >exclusive copyright on the name "KLF". How can I set up a trademark? Does it cost money to set up a trademark? Do you have to have a product named the trademark or can you just trademark anything? Is The KLF a trademark of Bill & Jimmys? Is a trademark valid around the world or just in the country it was trademarked in? I'm wondering about trademarking the name The KLF and then suing that bitch, what do you reckon? If I couldn't get a trademark of The KLF is there anything else that I could do (like get copyright on the name The KLF (presumably B&J hold that?)) so then I could sue her and help restore the name The KLF (I wouldn't be bothered about the money, just restoring the name of The KLF, if I did this I'd give the money to B&J or charity (if I couldn't find B&J)) . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 17:55:33 +0100 (BST) From: Stuart Bruce Subject: Re: Re(2): (klf) Wanda Dee takes the credit On Tue 19 Jun, Darrenforster99@aol.com wrote: > I'm wondering about trademarking the name The KLF and then suing that > bitch, what do you reckon? I'm worried that you're serious. While you're at it why don't you design a drink called "Coca-Cola" and try to sue the American company who manufacture a very similarly named product? Stuart. - -- Stuart Bruce - klf@atomiser.demon.co.uk or preferably stuart@atomiser.demon.co.uk The Utah Saints Mailing List http://groups.yahoo.com/group/utahsaints/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 13:29:01 -0400 From: "Chris Bennett" Subject: (klf) Re: Wanda Dee Yikes..had I known people were going to try turning into terrorists over it..I would have just left the page out of the discussion.. I understanding wanting to protect the things you cherish, but let's put it into perspective.. If Bill and Jimmy REALLY cared what a no talent broad was doing with their name, their lawyers would have dealt with this long ago... (no, they may not have lawyers for K2 Plant Hire, or whatever official group they are under now, (wait..are they up to K5 plant hire yet?) but they would certainly have their own lawyers. (if you've ever even bought a house, you have a lawyer..) Jeez guys..it was just to show that she was still active..not a target.. leave the poor dummy alone..she'll never amount to anything anyways (even if she is claiming to be the KLF)... Snarfy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 04:12:20 +1000 From: thug5@optusnet.com.au Subject: (klf) Kompetition Votes Hi all, OK, so this is old news... but why were there so few votes in the Kompetition? I mean, who were the other 7 people apart from me who made the effort? And it was an effort, I admit. It took at least 3 hours to sit down and listen to them all in one hit and make a short list. Then I had to sit down with the short list and relisten to them which took further time. (Hence I only submitted my vote at the very last moment. I hope it got counted...) Was this the problem that other people faced? Too much of a good thing? Or could they not download all those big files? For the Kompetition Mk. II should we limit the number of remixes that people can enter? Or will having Real Audio streams avilable make things easier for people? Michael # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:33:56 -0700 (PDT) From: twenty three Subject: (klf) Unplug her... (Wanda Dee's credit) As some consolation You could hear "The Goddess" unplugged in the Kompetition (track named "WandaDeeUnplugged"). If I had knew this before, I would had made it worsier... CU, BCM aka y23y ===== y23y appears courtesy of y23y Enterprises y23y Enterprises appears courtesy of y23y y23y sometimes known as y23 Entertainment __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:09:29 +0100 From: "Allister Cleal" Subject: (klf) Hi there - new here - quick question The mp3 of Love Trance that has been doing the rounds for a while - has anyone managed to confirm whether its the real thing? Sorry if its a common question. Al # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:50:27 +0100 From: John Subject: Re: (klf) Big Brother's 23 argument Stuart Bruce writes >Given the premise of the programme it seemed quite appropriate that it >should be that particular number, really. Absolutely! And yesterday was also the 23rd day of Confusion (in the Discordian calendar) and so surely some sort of celebration was called for! It was also day 23 in the Big Brother house and what with that argument about 23 and all of the other mentions of it will be quite interesting to see if this continues to occur or if this overload of 23s was all just a coincidental one off?!? For those of you not sad enough to watch it (or even care!) the story goes a little like the following: One of the people in the house (Brian) turned 23 and for his birthday they cut out the number 23 from a T-shirt that was given him by Bubble. This cut-out/cut-up was then hung on the wall behind his bed next to a photocopy of the Big Brother eye (no triangular framing motif... yet). Anyway the argument was that Bubble (who earlier in the house had tried to convert everyone to the church of Bubble - perhaps, Bubble is 'Scribe' from www.twentythree.co.uk and this is one reason why he has been so quiet as of late?) wanted the 23 back from Brian as he had been told to take down his own number 23 and a coded message (an 23 enigma code?) that he had put up on the wall beside his bed as a supposed sign to the outside world to acknowledge his daughter`s birthday (on the 23rd) and a whole argument followed about why the 23 was not important at all and that this was then followed by an accusation that Bubble was trying to signal 'something' (an illegal action against the rules of Big Brother) by attempting to transmit a message to the outside world. So, Big Brother asks Bubble to take his sign down because it is, in their opinion, a sign to the outside world rather than a personal totem. Rather surreal TV on the whole. Bubble and Brian argue because Bubble wants the sign that he made and gave Brain back as this 23 is permitted, but yet his own is not allowed to be stuck on the wall. Bubble does not understand why he is being persecuted. Brian says it is because HIS sign signifies his age, and Bubbles constitutes a message/sign. Bubble is stumped! They may have argued about the number's significance, but that wasn't shown on the Channel 4 show, and I'm not too sure how many people would be tuned into E4 23 hours a day to try and find out! I think that we might have a 23rdian on primetime TV and... he does have a hat obsession too?!? There is also, of course, that strange, quasi- mystical pyramid structure that's been erected in the garden.... There also seems to be an anti 23 bias in the Big Brother production dept. As any 23 neophyte would do, a diligent search on their website reveals: "...Bubble presented him with one of his own fashion creations - - a T-shirt with two holes cut out of the back, for which Brian seemed grateful as he tried it on..." ...on the web site. Any details of the argument have not made it to print (yet?) When will these type of people learn that trying to [censor] the no.23 is a bad, bad, BAD idea, and can only lead to a hydra's head of 23isms, or even the whole studio complex exploding into flames... or swallowed by an earthquake.... destroyed by meteorite showers... or sumfink *REALLY* horrible!!! (mumble) Maybe Bill and Jimmy will prank the Big Brother household next? ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:33:27 +0100 (BST) From: Stuart Bruce Subject: Re: (klf) Big Brother's 23 argument On Tue 19 Jun, John wrote: > > Stuart Bruce writes > >Given the premise of the programme it seemed quite appropriate that it > >should be that particular number, really. > > Absolutely! And yesterday was also the 23rd day of Confusion (in the > Discordian calendar) and so surely some sort of celebration was called > for! There is also a *chance* that it was day 23 in the Big Brother house- ie. 23 days since the housemates moved in. It was certainly been day 21 and day 24, but I wouldn't like to say for sure... Stuart. - -- Stuart Bruce - klf@atomiser.demon.co.uk or preferably stuart@atomiser.demon.co.uk The Utah Saints Mailing List http://groups.yahoo.com/group/utahsaints/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 19:17:02 EDT From: Darrenforster99@aol.com Subject: Re: Re(2): (klf) Wanda Dee takes the credit On 19 Jun 2001, at 18:03, Stuart Bruce wrote: > I'm worried that you're serious. I was contemplating it :) (and yes I was serious about if winning sending the profits to B&J or charity (or what about just burning it on the isle of Jura!)) >While you're at it why don't you design a drink called "Coca- Cola(TM)" >and > try to sue the American company who manufacture a very similarly named > product? 'cos Coca-Cola(TM) is a Trademark of The Coca Cola Company, America. (I could always come up with a drink that cures dysPEPSIa ;) - yes that is where a famous rival drink got it's name from - source Microsoft (TM) Encarta (TM)!) Coca-Cola is a registered trademark of The Coca-Cola Company, Microsoft is a trademark of the Microsoft Corporation, Encarta is a trademark of Encarta (I think) I am not in any way associated with The Coca-Cola Company, the Microsoft Corporation or Encarta. . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 19:46:33 EDT From: Darrenforster99@aol.com Subject: (klf) K Computers??? I subscribed to another e-mail list today (Cheshire Scouts Gathering). When I got confirmation the e-mail header contained loads of links to K Computers and KNet.org (I've cut some of the header out to make it more obvious:- Received: from gate.kcomputers.co.uk (kcomputers.demon.co.uk [193.237.48.191]) Received: from localhost.localdomain (IDENT:root@jess.knet.org [192.157.10.5]) by gate.kcomputers.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA31262 for ; I checked at www.kcomputers.co.uk to see who kcomputers is but the site doesn't exist. Could K Computers have some connection with The KLF or could the person who created the mailing list be a fan of The KLF (I remember when I was selling mobile phones at University for Powernet I called myself "K Comms" after The KLF. I didn't receive any calls though :( - I even wasted a fortune advertising the phones on Scoot 0800 192 192, until the bank wanted to know what a student was doing paying Scoot 400UKP a quarter for advertising, Powernet 30UKP a month for a freephone number and 200UKP for a Powernet briefcase - Scoot and Powernet let me out of the 12mth contracts before I went bankrupt!) . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:03:46 EDT From: Darrenforster99@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) Hi there - new here - quick question On 19 Jun 2001, at 20:11, Allister Cleal wrote: > > The mp3 of Love Trance that has been doing the rounds for a while - has > anyone managed to confirm whether its the real thing? > > Sorry if its a common question. Don't you dare bring this up again! About a week ago we had FordTimelord@webtv.net spam the list trying to stop people arguing about Love Trance. Miles (MILESTIGHE@AOL.COM I think) bought the original record (could be bootleg, B&J haven't come on the list yet to confirm whether or not they did release the record) from e-bay for a lot of money, and he offered to do copies on CD for 10UKP (this brought about arguments for about 3 weeks on the list as to whether or not he was trying to make his money back or whether he was doing the list and big fans a really big favour (I think he was doing everyone a really big favour). It turned out that for this 10UKP he was going to do a sleeve and everything, but after the complaints he said that he wasn't going to do the sleeve, but still charge 10UKP (obviously causing a lot of arguments and alot of people thinking he was just doing it for the money)). This started a big 3 week flames war against Miles and anti-piracy supporters who thought Miles was pirating (yet they also had this strange thought that if he offered it for free or for the price of a CD-R he wouldn't be pirating it?!?!?!?) and there were others that also thought that any copying of the music was piracy (I actually agree with Miles and think he was quite right charging 10UKP for people to own a copy of this rarity (but I think he should have given a percentage of that to B&J 'cos it was there record (maybe apply for a PPL licence and put down playing it once for each copy made!) but then it's upto Miles what happens 'cos it's his record)) Anyway the result of this flames war was someone on WebTV spamming the mailing list (and getting his mailbox spammed by me and a few others and really screwing his message system up (WebTV boxes aren't really designed to withstand spam are they Ford Timelord?)), I think this is the first time anyone's actually spammed the mailing list! And as for the CD copies that Miles offered, he mentioned about returning everyone's money, I don't know whether this happened or whether Miles produced the CD's or whether Miles is still deciding what to do - best to ask Miles about that. . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:11:58 EDT From: Darrenforster99@aol.com Subject: Re: (klf) Big Brother's 23 argument On 19 Jun 2001, at 20:55, John wrote:  > ...and a whole argument followed about why the 23 was not important > at all and that this was then followed by an accusation that Bubble was > trying to signal 'something' (an illegal action against the rules of Big > Brother) by attempting to transmit a message to the outside world.   I think with BB they've managed to transmit something to the  outside world anyway. One thing that's puzzling me over that show  was when I went to the shop today and they were selling Heat  magazine, on the front it offers a free Big Brother Calendar (why a  calendar when we're half way through 2K1???). On the front cover  it shows some 'demo' pictures of what you'll find on the calendar,  and there pictures of people in the house doing things like in the  shower. Now if there not "suppossed" to interact with the outside  world, how has Heat magazine managed to get these pictures?  has someone at Heat got the really boring job of watching the web  cams 24/7 (mostly people getting pissed) just trying to pick a  brilliant picture or have they managed to get inside the house and  take pictures (if so this is clear violation of the rules and what does  Channel 4 do now???). BTW - I'm going down to London on the  28th for a few days, does anyone know where the Big Brother  house is, I wanna go down and watch the eviction, is it near Earls  Court? or is it Elstree where Channel 4 studios are?  > There is also, of course, that strange, quasi- > mystical pyramid structure that's been erected in the garden....  I've not seen this pyramid structure in the garden yet, but I just  thought I'd mention something I saw in a catalogue a few weeks  ago which would suit most KLF fans (I was going to mention it a  few weeks ago but kept forgetting, so this seems the best e-mail to  bring it up in, the only probs is I can't remember the mail order  company now). They have this black metal PYRAMID style object  and you can BUILD A FIRE in the middle of it, hmmm could the  designer be a fan of The KLF as who else would come up with  such a funny idea as to mix fires with pyramids??   > Maybe Bill and Jimmy will prank the Big Brother household next? ;-)   ***K Big Brother we want Survivor! . . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 07:18:31 +0100 From: stuart.bruce@aardman.com (Stuart Bruce) Subject: Re(2): (klf) Big Brother's 23 argument Darrenforster99@aol.com writes: >One thing that's puzzling me over that show  >was when I went to the shop today and they were selling Heat  >magazine, on the front it offers a free Big Brother Calendar (why a  >calendar when we're half way through 2K1???). On the front cover  >it shows some 'demo' pictures of what you'll find on the calendar,  >and there pictures of people in the house doing things like in the  >shower. Now if there not "suppossed" to interact with the outside  >world, how has Heat magazine managed to get these pictures?  >has someone at Heat got the really boring job of watching the web  >cams 24/7 (mostly people getting pissed) just trying to pick a  >brilliant picture or have they managed to get inside the house and  >take pictures (if so this is clear violation of the rules and what does  >Channel 4 do now???) Neither case is true. In the first week, one of the tasks that the housemates had to do, officially, was take photos of each other with a consistent theme, and they settled on the theme of "saucy". The pictures were then handed to Big Brother who created a calendar for the BB housemates to use, with one picture on each page. The housemates are unaware that Big Brother have also gone and sold the pictures to Heat magazine, probably for a lot of money... So there's been no break of rules and the housemates knew the pictures were being taken, but not necessarily for what purpose. [snip] >They have this black metal PYRAMID style object  >and you can BUILD A FIRE in the middle of it, hmmm could the  >designer be a fan of The KLF as who else would come up with  >such a funny idea as to mix fires with pyramids?? Ideas such as fires within pyramids, and the burning of wicker men (as another fire example), massively pre-date the KLF and shouldn't really be credited to Bill & Jimmy, unfortunately. Stuart. - -- Stuart Bruce stuart.bruce@aardman.com tel ext 4269 Get fired! Waste all day at: http://www.angrykid.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 07:54:30 +0100 From: stuart.bruce@aardman.com (Stuart Bruce) Subject: Re(2): Re(2): (klf) Wanda Dee takes the credit Darrenforster99@aol.com writes: >>While you're at it why don't you design a drink called "Coca- >Cola(TM)" >and >> try to sue the American company who manufacture a very similarly named >> product? > >'cos Coca-Cola(TM) is a Trademark of The Coca Cola Company, >America. Exactly- Coca-Cola have already done that. Wanda Dee has already appeared as "Wanda Dee and The New KLF" (or similar) years ago. My point was, you can't 'backdate' copyright and claim money from people who were clearly doing something, or invented something, years before you did. Who invented the wheel? That's not already copyrighted. Maybe you should take a chopped-up log down to a patent office and try to claim for billions of pounds' worth of unpaid patent money because you just feel like making a wheel and now everybody else has to stop, and pay you money. You were suggesting a very similar thing just with the name "KLF"... Stuart. - -- Stuart Bruce stuart.bruce@aardman.com tel ext 4269 Get fired! Waste all day at: http://www.angrykid.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:01:09 +0200 From: "Dan Kuta" Subject: (klf) Triple A Hey, I'm just compiling stuff about Jimmy's Triple A project for GLAMCENTRAL. Can anyone help me out there? I need a good quality scan of the logo... and ALL info you listmembers have! Hope that's not too hard to get Something else: Just read that Billy as AAA had a partner, Paul Williams that is. Does anyone know who he is and if he has a konnection to the KLF? Thank A LOT!!! Danny - --- DJ Kuta, KLF Online (www.klf.de) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:02:15 -0000 From: "Maarten Bouwes" Subject: (klf) klf - ultra rare trax List, I just received this email concerning URT. Wasnīt URT a normal cd (not a cdr with photocopied stuff etc? I asked this person a description of the artwork and cd and here is his awnser: >hi, it's a bit difficult to explain, it has a sheep on >the front cover. > >this is a cdr, so it is a colour photocopy (a good >one) Is it that difficult to explain? or was URT just a cd-r and not a professionally pressed cd? Thanks for helping! Maarten _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:15:41 +0200 (MEST) From: c-Row@gmx.de Subject: Re: (klf) klf - ultra rare trax All Ultra Rare Trax releases Iīve seen so far - no matter what artist - use real pressed CDs instead of CD-Rs, since these are supposed to be professional bootlegs. Covers are printed, not photocopied. cy@ c-Row - -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net - -- GMX Tipp: Machen Sie Ihr Hobby zu Geld bei unserem Partner 1&1! http://profiseller.de/info/index.php3?ac=OM.PS.PS003K00596T0409a # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:19:11 +0100 From: Andrew Robinson Subject: Re: (klf) klf - ultra rare trax Maarten Bouwes wrote: > > I just received this email concerning URT. Wasnīt URT a normal cd (not a cdr > with photocopied stuff etc? My copy is a 'real' pressed CD, and the artwork is printed not photocopied - not surprising as I bought it way back when CD-R was just a twinkle in a R&D dreartment's eye, and colour copiers were Ģ1.50 per smeary blur. I guess this guy is trying to sell you a bootleg of this bootleg? - - Andy_R # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 13:51:13 +1000 From: "Brendan" Subject: (klf) OT: Coca-Cola (nitpicking on names) hi all, from memory in aust the company is 'Coca-Cola Amital'. i might have the spelling/punctuation wrong, but definetly, when you do work for the company it is not "Coca-Cola". they get quite upset about it (and it seemed such a little thing at the time) the drink afaik is still coca-cola. afaik 'coke' was a trademark too. i dont think 'cola' is though. tired & sick of kids screaming, brendan ps - further off topic - heres the best way to clean keyboards that have had coke/carbonated drinks spilt on them - as taught to me by CCA staff. take wet keyboard outside, hose it down with water, shake it dry, then allow it to dry in the sun. once its dry, it should be fine :-) the water is less of a problem than the suger in the drink. i've done this myself and it works fine. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 14:10:08 +1000 From: "Brendan" Subject: (klf) OT: Boring Brother hi all, i'm happy to see list traffic thats not fighting but if i'm wandering too far just email me to take it to email. > I think with BB they've managed to transmit something to the > outside world anyway. with the aust version its online 24hr via the net. the tv show is half hour everyday? with hour long specials too many times a week. > One thing that's puzzling me over that show > was when I went to the shop today and they were selling Heat > magazine, on the front it offers a free Big Brother Calendar >(why a calendar when we're half way through 2K1???). are they charging full price? i'd hope it was at least 6/12's the price. > On the front cover it shows some 'demo' pictures > of what you'll find on the calendar, and there pictures > of people in the house doing things like in the > shower. Now if there not "suppossed" to interact > with the outside world, how has Heat magazine > managed to get these pictures? stole them from all the other bb's :-) the promo/intro for the show here keeps showing a pair of breasts that belong to the girl who got evicted the 1st week. > has someone at Heat got the really boring > job of watching the web cams 24/7 (mostly > people getting pissed) just trying to pick a > brilliant picture or have they managed to get > inside the house and take pictures (if so this > is clear violation of the rules and what does > Channel 4 do now???). my guess is: Heat said to TV company: we need x pictures for a calender heres a heap of money. TV company said to Cameramen: we need some pics for a calender Cameramen: no prob (click click click) here's pictures i dont know how many camera men are involved with the aust bb show, but it would seem to be heaps if the control room is any indication. i know that here they took heaps of publicity shots of the ppl BEFORE they went in the house. i wouldnt at all be surprised if they (the house residents) signed over all rights to images of them when in the house. > company now). They have this black metal PYRAMID style object > and you can BUILD A FIRE in the middle of it, hmmm could the i'm pretty sure this happens regularly at um...its slipped my tongue. um..big festival america fireworks electronics hippies guns - Burning Man? can one of the americans help me out here? certainly i've seen pictures of pyramids at previous shows (wish i'd been able to get to some of the early years - seems like its gotten too big now if the last review i read was any guide). > designer be a fan of The KLF as who else would come up with > such a funny idea as to mix fires with pyramids?? possible, but pyramids have been used for ages in those fields of medicine that the western doctors dont approve. i' sure the first use of pyramids wasnt the egyptions, though those are probably the most remembered. i've seen pyramids that you;re sposed to put over plants to make them grow quicker, i've seen pyramids to sit in so you can get better. why not build a fire so you can get warm too? > ***K Big Brother we want Survivor! oh god no. cease that thought - a tv producer might see it. trying to get back on topic, brendan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 14:31:17 +1000 From: "Brendan" Subject: (klf) Trademarks / copyrights / legalities (WAS: Wanda related) hi all, > >imho, go after her legally, though i wonder > >why bill&jimmy havent bothered? surely if there > >was something to fight over, > >they'd have already done it? > > I think this ground has been covered before. i figured it must have been. is anybody keeping a faq these days? my guess it was possibly in the terms that settled the matter of them sampling her. > Outside of the UK (or possibly outside Europe), Bill > & Jimmy do not own exclusive copyright on the name "KLF". makes sense. > A web site that contains inaccurate but > not libellous information about a > person/artist/group is not a legal > offence as such, and Bill & Jimmy could > lodge a complaint, yes, but a lawsuit, no. fair enuf. so basically, if we let bill&jim's lawyers know each time we see a 'inaccurate report', and we let the webmasters know that the lawyers know, thats all we can do/should do. wishing i'd studied law instead of beer, brendan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 16:03:57 +1000 From: "Brendan" Subject: (klf) more thoughts about legalities and wanda (but trying to stay on topic) hi all, i'm just thinking, not planning. mostly i'm trying to avoid the kids by hiding behind the computer. [basis] lets assume the reason wanda keeps promoting herself as klf is because of b&j sampling her and having to agree to a contract that allowed it. i'm assuming some one out there knows b&j's current lawyers and also assuming that someone knows who the lawyers at the time were. [quickly thought about plan] cant we just type up a nice polite letter, not an email, and ask the lawyers nicely if the terms of the agreement included nondisclosure. if it didnt, can we pls see the contract. if it did, can they confirm for us that wanda is allowed to promote herself as klf. we can at the same time provide a nice list of urls showing where she is promoting herself. by doing this, i'd hope we would achieve a) the final word once and for all on what wanda cant and cant do. b) providing the lawyers with more evidence than they probably want c) showing b&j we're all still umm "diehard?" - whether that would impress or depress them i'm not sure. i suspect, as maarten said "they dont give a shite". [more thoughts that could be optional] imho, it'd have to be done offline, by registered post (is that what its called in uk? must be signed for) and very correctly worded. whilst this might actually hurt the process more than improve our chances, if someone representitive of as many countries/states/counties wrote, all following the same wording, they'd have to get the picture that people from around the world are still concerned about wanda/interested in the klf. [guess] the lawyers would respond with "no comment" :-) if they were nice, they might tell us what wanda can & cant do. remember - just thinking outloud. happy to see so much mail on the list (pity its mostly wanda), brendan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 16:43:03 +1000 From: "Brendan" Subject: (klf) Darren vs [the-not-real-klf] Hi all, still avoiding the kids, and i'm no lawyer so dont treat this as official or nuthing like that. also, i'm in aust and attempt only to try and remember aust laws. change [the-not-real-klf] to whoever you want. > >Outside of the UK (or possibly outside Europe), > >Bill & Jimmy do not own exclusive copyright > >on the name "KLF". > How can I set up a trademark? you apply at some official body. from my understanding it does need to be done everywhere otherwise you end up in domainname squabbles or court etc. it in the olden days, when it was unlikely that the trademark would be used anywhere except the country of origin, there was no problem with multiple "trademarks" (all in individual countries for example) because one would rarely run into the other. nowadays its best to get it trademarked everywhere you might ever end up, just in case. a TM though afaik is different to a (c)opyright. a TM can be used as long as its credited properly (at least thats what we did with computer manuals/etc). > Does it cost money to set up a trademark? yes. no idea what. probably too much. > Do you have to have a product named > the trademark or can you just trademark anything? i thought it was anything as long as there was no prior use? or am i mixing patents with TM's? > Is The KLF a trademark of Bill & Jimmys? no idea, i'd assume so in UK at least. thought: do TM's expire? like xerox and hoover? or is it only because they become household words that they allow them to expire? > Is a trademark valid around the world or > just in the country it was trademarked in? afaik, only the country. Guess: everybody in eu probably counts now as one country for the purposes of a TM but thats a wild guess. i'm the other side of the world. > I'm wondering about trademarking the name > The KLF and then suing that bitch, what do > you reckon? whilst certainly amusing to think about, prob too much work for too little reward imho. > If I couldn't get a trademark of The KLF is > there anything else that I could do (like > get copyright on the name The KLF > (presumably B&J hold that?)) wouldnt prior use kick in again here? if i'm not mixing patent law, then [the-not-real-klf] could claim to have already performed/used the name for years. > so then I could sue her and help restore the > name The KLF (I wouldn't be bothered about > the money, just restoring the name of The KLF, i'm too cynical but i dont think they care. its a shame that ppl get sucked in to paying to see [the-not-real-klf] and by being active and watching out for [the-not-real-klf], at least the list can alert ppl so it might not happen so much in the future. > if I did this I'd give the money to B&J > or charity (if I couldn't find B&J)) give out beers to the homeless for xmas :-) my gut feeling over all this is we'll find out the agreement b&j agreed to was horrible, and [the-not-real-klf]'s allowed to do what [the-not-real-klf] likes. or the agreement could have been awful, [the-not-real-klf]'s not allowed to do what [the-not-real-klf] likes, but b&j dont care. Darren: if you're really serious about the idea, speak to a lawyer whereever you live and see what he says. even post in whereever.legal and ask maybe - try to not be specific with names and details when posting to those groups. you dont need a legal problem before starting another one. you dont want to be accused of slander etc. once you get an opinion, email me with it, and i can probably get a reasonable aust law opinion also, and then you'll have two countries and maybe it might be a doable? i dont wanna bother that connection unless i have to though, and at this point i wouldnt. [$where-u-live].legal is probably the best bet, maybe uk.legal (assuming it exists). i still think that its prob too much word for too little reward. moral question thats probably better thought about than written about (i like that the list has mail thats on topic): if advertising as klf etc is the only way for [the-not-real-klf] to get work, is it right to go out of our way to ruin it? if you really want to comment on that, maybe emails better. i just thought of it then, and havent thought any furthur. i'm not really looking for a morals debate, just avoiding the kids. sorry for the length, brendan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info klf" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email klf@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # KLF discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?klf ------------------------------ End of klf-digest V2 #460 *************************