From: Randy Sommerfeld <sommerfeld@uwstout.edu>
Subject: M_Boats: Jim Kimmets Upgrades
Date: 01 Dec 1996 09:18:30 -0600 (CST)

Ripping out the original head was one of the first modifications I did when
I purchased my M-17.  Did not fully understand the concept of the system and
it smelled.  I replaced it with the smallest port-potti (12 inches high) I
could find, which was small enough to fit in the old head's space.  I use
scoot guard to keep it in place, I had to cut off the head bolts.

I believe the hand held depth finder from Speed Tech has to be held under
the water and pointing straight down, before it can work.  Which would be
quite a stretch from the cock of the M-17.  

I have a Speed/Temp guage built by Standard Communications Corp, which was
sold through West Marine.  I have the impeller mounted on the water line,
next to the rudder and the display mounted on the inside cabin top, just aft
of the mast support.  Keeps it out of the rain and sun light and I can see
it while sailing.   You can program or calibrate this device, which is hard
to do unless you have a police radar gun, a good GRS or know someone who has
a knot meter that is accurate to sail next to.  I really like the knot/speed
meter as it helps you squeeze out that last mph from the wind by better sail
adjustments. 

Randy Sommerfeld
No Worries - M17


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From: owner-montgomery_boats@xmission.com
Date: 02 Dec 1996 13:02:32 -0700 (MST)


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From: Keith Diehl <kdiehl@xmission.com>
Subject: M_Boats: New List Members
Date: 02 Dec 1996 13:20:43 -0700 (MST)

<---- Begin Forwarded Message ---->


<snip>

 Anyway, I am the happy (aren't 
they all) owner of an M17, #408, named Busca Brisas. I bought it in San 
Diego in'94 from the original owner, Jim Koch and trailered it to my home 
in Port Angeles WA. I haven't sailed it much yet because I have been 
occupied first with its predecessor, a CT41 ketch, and then with crewing 
on friends sailboats (to the South Pacific this spring and later to San 
Francisco from Port Angeles). The CT41 is now sold and I am fitting out 
the Montgomery for cruising the San Juans (which I can see from my 
window) and beyond. I have a few ideas about things I think need to be 
done to the boat and am excited about having a forum in which to discuss 
those things (kick-up rudder, anchor roller/bowsprit, additional cockpit 
drains etc). I also plan to subscribe to the owners newsletter you 
described in your home page. 

<snip>

<----  End Forwarded Message  ---->


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From: KinhLuan Nguyenngoc  <KinhLuan_Nguyenngoc%WONDERWARE@notes.worldcom.com>
Subject: M_Boats: re newcomer wants M15 ?
Date: 02 Dec 1996 17:05:28 

Stephen asked:

> I've since been trailer sailing a Hobie 18.  I
love the convenience of having my boat at home or behind my car, but the
sleeping over is way too uncomfortable.  

welcome aboard...I think you're not supposed to sleep on a Hobie, but rather 
beach it then sleep on the beach !-)  <= that's not line noise, that's a 
"virtual grin"

and by the way, has anyone tried to beach an M-boat ? any tips on beaching then 
getting off the beach ?

>  Over the past six months I've been 
researching micro-cruisers and have fallen in love with the Montgomery
(especially after seeing John Anastasio's M-17).

and what about that M17 ? and by the way I'm curious about the asking price

>  There are a couple of
M-15s for sale in my part of the world (northern Cal) but I'd like to find

do let us know what kind of $ are bandied about

> out from people in the know (that's you guys) what is a reasonable price
for a 15 without any special bells and whistles...just a boat and trailer.

what, you're planning on going engine-less ?-)

I haven't been looking at Used Ads...however, some time ago there was a post 
here that a brand new M15 is $7700...add $1300 (just guessin) for a 
**galvanized** trailer (stay away from any that are not) and we have $9000,,,if 
I were in the market now, I'd say that any used combo at 1/2 off or $4500 or 
less is a good deal...the condition would need to be something that I won't be 
"ashamed" to be seen in

Rich updated us  >   Chuck McCoy has missed another delivery date for our new
Montgomery 15.  The reason given is difficulty with new
tooling.  No new date has been set but I understand it should be
soon.  I continue to be optimistic that a boat will eventually
arrive.

continue to be optimistic Rich...for the benefit of us all (otherwise there may 
not be a new "M-company")...and are you going to have a christening party ( 
I'll attend if it's somewhere in SoCal) ?

Luan
windsong, 15/81-147

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From: John Crews <76174.1563@compuserve.com>
Subject: M_Boats: M17 for sale
Date: 02 Dec 1996 23:22:59 EST

I am placing this notice on behalf of a fellow M17 owner who does not have
internet access.  For sale: 1973 or 1974 M17.  Swing keel with worm-gear
mechanism (not shoal keel/centerboard like on my 1974 M17).  I have seen this
boat.  It is in EXCEPTIONALLY good condition and clearly indicates pride of
ownership.  Reupholstered in green canvas.  Lots of wood added inside cabin.
The inside of the cabin is truly remarkable.  Extra port-holes have been added
and the inside is finished in brilliant white.  The effect is very bright and
very attractive.  Fiberglass gelcoat (white) and hull paint (gray) good as new.
New sails.  Well equipped.  Outboard.  Trailer.  One quirky thing:  all
electrical has been removed and replaced with oil lamps.  Asking $5,500.  Call
Larry Schmidt at 805-773-5622 (Pismo Beach, California).


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From: KinhLuan Nguyenngoc  <KinhLuan_Nguyenngoc%WONDERWARE@notes.worldcom.com>
Subject: M_Boats: second 25% of "BIG ROSTER" from 85
Date: 03 Dec 1996 20:06:34 

hi...if you still don't see your hull #  down below, there will be 2 more 25 % 
to come...hopefully before 1997  !-)


Luan
windsong  15/81-147

PS. if someone has found their M-boat here or in my last post, do gimme an 
encouraging holler

=====================================================================

Annette Zayac
Po Box 39
Bacliff, TX 77518
        (15-190

Kathi helmle & Marcy Slaughter
5007 shoal Creek Bivd.
Austin, TX 78756
        (15-289

Gail Millhouse
10000 Imperial, Apt. B21O
Downey, CA 90242
        (17-400

henry M. Ortmann
 7130 Magnolia Ave.
 Riverside, CA 92504
        (15-193

Rich Priebe
 3609 Ava Way
 Carmichael, CA 95608
        (15-139

T J Hutchinson
362 costa mesa
costa mesa, ca 29627
        (15-293

Bud Ryan
19240 81st. PI. N.
Osseo, MN 55369
        (15

John Torney
3560 El Dorado Dr.
Long Beach, CA 90808
        (15

James Moeller
12314 E. Outer Dr.
Detroit, MI 48224
        (15-309

Steve M. Fike
9602 N.E. 70th St.
Vancouver, WA 98662
        (15-302

W. P. WampIer
2574 Marilee #39
Houston, TX 77057
        (15

Dick Ortmayer
1725 N. McDonald
McKinney, TX 75069
        (15

Lem Branch
2602 W. Lingan Lane
Santa ana, CA 92700
        (17-369

Lee Foerster
307 Fowles St.
Oceanside, CA 92054
        (17

Gene B. Nelson
444 Saratoga, 36 J
Santa Clara, CA 95050
        (17-391


Tim & Terry Teal
666 prospect #302
honolulu, HI 96813
        (17

Jeffrey Babbitt
133 Alton
Santa Ana, CA 92707
        (17

Jack Nelson
234 Lugonia
Newport Beach, CA 92663
        (17

R. L. CARUTHERS
4067 Norsworthy Way
Marietta, GA 30062
        (17-393

Steven Siguaw
31582 Pikeview
Conifer, CO 80433
        (17-366

William R. Paddock
Box 511
Challis, ID 83225
        (17

Dan Berner
4835 Quaker Lane
Plymouth, MN 55442
        (17

Eugene M. Lopez
9531 Idlewood Dr.
Brooklyn, OH 44144
        (17-429

Raymond Zaccardi
2810 Wagar Rd.
Rocky River, OH 44116
        (17

harry werner
1531 E. 79th St., #11
Minneapolis MN 55430
        (17

Bill Sanville
3555 N.W. Mink Place
Corvallis, OR 97330
        (17-368

David Young
P.O. Box 1197
Waldport, OR 97394
        (17-358

jim hein
2834 Monogram Ave.
Long Beach CA  90815
        (17

michael Mullanax
4407 Clearbrook Pl
Las Vegas, NV 88108
        (23

Lmry Smith
8230 N. Mulberry Place
Tucson, AZ 85704
        (23-026

dale Jacobson
3943 w. Sweetwater
Phoenix, AZ 85029
        (15-301

John G. Evans
660 Ridgewood Ave.
Upper Montclair, NJ 07043
        (15--298

Fred Medina
1230 Adams Ave.
san jose, ca 95132
        (17

F. M. Langley MD
144 Sinclair
Corpus Christi, TX 78411
        (17-380

daniel L. freye
4833 Fountain Hall Road
Virginia Beach, Va 23464
        (17-071

jeffrey babitt
133 Alton
Santa Ana Ca 92707
        (17

don Homan
2325 Calle Luminoso
Sante Fe, NM 87505
        (15

Dale M. Dassler
380-C Bergin Dr.
Monterey, CA 93940
        (15-322

gary malm
4i30 Silverton Rd. NE
Salem, OR 9730S
        (15

David Wolf
2 Duke Court
Park Ridge, NJ 07656
        (23

Marian & Ron Walters
1315 N. Highland
Tucson, AZ 85719
        (23-017

Richard Pilant
615 W. 8th
Lawrence, KS 66044
        (17

Charles Belknap
12812 Larwin Rd.
Norwalk, CA 90650
        (15-305

Arne S. Jacobsen
57 3rd Ave.
Nyack, NY 10960
        (17-394

Philip J. Haynes
Rt. 1 BOX 41
Juliette, GA 31046
        (15-310

Tom T. Richards
332 Larkin St.
Monterey, CA 93940
        (15-312

Jack O. Moore
1151 Monte Vista Ct.
colfax  CA  95713
        (15-319

Thomas J. Porter
3600 Matthews Dr.
Anchorage, AK 99516
        (15-315

R. L. Bassett
7207 North 7th St.
Phoenix, AZ 85020
        (15-301

william shaw
Hoyt Marine
633 Newark Rd
Kennett Square, PA 19348
        (17

Jerry Vernick, M.D.
111 S. llth St. .
Philadelphia, PA 19107
        (23

John Einarsson
19500 Linda Vista
Los Gates, CA 95030
        (23-072

Richard & Diana Barnes
12606 Eagles Nest
Buda, TX. 78610
        (15-223

Jim Courtois
BOX 285
Garberville, CA 95440
        (17

Howard Shaw
8442 E. Rolling Ridge St.
Tucson, AZ 85710
        (15-212

Larry & Marion Telles
Rt. 1, Box 256 B
Hagerman, ID 83332
        (15

Jerry Lindeman
1261 W. Madero
mesa, AZ 85202
        (15-175

Paul Spriggs
P.O. BOX 675
Florence, OR 97439
        (17

Rudy Caplan
32000 Riverside Dr. (Hwy.74
Lake Elsinore,CA 92330
        (15-206


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From: Randolph I Palmer <palmerri@uwec.edu>
Subject: M_Boats: BIG ROSTER
Date: 04 Dec 1996  7:43:28 CST


Keep the list coming, Luan.  It is interesting to see six M23's on the list
and the serial numbers 17, 26 & 72.  Jerry's numbering system certainly was
strange.  So far I have numbers 1, 2, 3, 8 (as I read it), 17, 26, 44, 72, 88
('80), & 88 ('82).  That should be about half the boats made.  Got any more
numbers, Larry?   >>>Randy P. 


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From: "Newton, Donald" <newton#m#_donald@dlvd.mdc.com>
Subject: RE: M_Boats: second 25% of "BIG ROSTER" from 85
Date: 04 Dec 1996 07:57:05 U

don newton
17 crucillo
rancho santa margarita, ca 92688
<15 173
_______________________________________________________________________________

hi...if you still don't see your hull #  down below, there will be 2 more 25 % 
to come...hopefully before 1997  !-)


Luan
windsong  15/81-147

PS. if someone has found their M-boat here or in my last post, do gimme an 
encouraging holler

=====================================================================

Annette Zayac
Po Box 39
Bacliff, TX 77518
        (15-190

Kathi helmle & Marcy Slaughter
5007 shoal Creek Bivd.
Austin, TX 78756
        (15-289

Gail Millhouse
10000 Imperial, Apt. B21O
Downey, CA 90242
        (17-400

henry M. Ortmann
 7130 Magnolia Ave.
 Riverside, CA 92504
        (15-193

Rich Priebe
 3609 Ava Way
 Carmichael, CA 95608
        (15-139

T J Hutchinson
362 costa mesa
costa mesa, ca 29627
        (15-293

Bud Ryan
19240 81st. PI. N.
Osseo, MN 55369
        (15

John Torney
3560 El Dorado Dr.
Long Beach, CA 90808
        (15

James Moeller
12314 E. Outer Dr.
Detroit, MI 48224
        (15-309

Steve M. Fike
9602 N.E. 70th St.
Vancouver, WA 98662
        (15-302

W. P. WampIer
2574 Marilee #39
Houston, TX 77057
        (15

Dick Ortmayer
1725 N. McDonald
McKinney, TX 75069
        (15

Lem Branch
2602 W. Lingan Lane
Santa ana, CA 92700
        (17-369

Lee Foerster
307 Fowles St.
Oceanside, CA 92054
        (17

Gene B. Nelson
444 Saratoga, 36 J
Santa Clara, CA 95050
        (17-391


Tim & Terry Teal
666 prospect #302
honolulu, HI 96813
        (17

Jeffrey Babbitt
133 Alton
Santa Ana, CA 92707
        (17

Jack Nelson
234 Lugonia
Newport Beach, CA 92663
        (17

R. L. CARUTHERS
4067 Norsworthy Way
Marietta, GA 30062
        (17-393

Steven Siguaw
31582 Pikeview
Conifer, CO 80433
        (17-366

William R. Paddock
Box 511
Challis, ID 83225
        (17

Dan Berner
4835 Quaker Lane
Plymouth, MN 55442
        (17

Eugene M. Lopez
9531 Idlewood Dr.
Brooklyn, OH 44144
        (17-429

Raymond Zaccardi
2810 Wagar Rd.
Rocky River, OH 44116
        (17

harry werner
1531 E. 79th St., #11
Minneapolis MN 55430
        (17

Bill Sanville
3555 N.W. Mink Place
Corvallis, OR 97330
        (17-368

David Young
P.O. Box 1197
Waldport, OR 97394
        (17-358

jim hein
2834 Monogram Ave.
Long Beach CA  90815
        (17

michael Mullanax
4407 Clearbrook Pl
Las Vegas, NV 88108
        (23

Lmry Smith
8230 N. Mulberry Place
Tucson, AZ 85704
        (23-026

dale Jacobson
3943 w. Sweetwater
Phoenix, AZ 85029
        (15-301

John G. Evans
660 Ridgewood Ave.
Upper Montclair, NJ 07043
        (15--298

Fred Medina
1230 Adams Ave.
san jose, ca 95132
        (17

F. M. Langley MD
144 Sinclair
Corpus Christi, TX 78411
        (17-380

daniel L. freye
4833 Fountain Hall Road
Virginia Beach, Va 23464
        (17-071

jeffrey babitt
133 Alton
Santa Ana Ca 92707
        (17

don Homan
2325 Calle Luminoso
Sante Fe, NM 87505
        (15

Dale M. Dassler
380-C Bergin Dr.
Monterey, CA 93940
        (15-322

gary malm
4i30 Silverton Rd. NE
Salem, OR 9730S
        (15

David Wolf
2 Duke Court
Park Ridge, NJ 07656
        (23

Marian & Ron Walters
1315 N. Highland
Tucson, AZ 85719
        (23-017

Richard Pilant
615 W. 8th
Lawrence, KS 66044
        (17

Charles Belknap
12812 Larwin Rd.
Norwalk, CA 90650
        (15-305

Arne S. Jacobsen
57 3rd Ave.
Nyack, NY 10960
        (17-394

Philip J. Haynes
Rt. 1 BOX 41
Juliette, GA 31046
        (15-310

Tom T. Richards
332 Larkin St.
Monterey, CA 93940
        (15-312

Jack O. Moore
1151 Monte Vista Ct.
colfax  CA  95713
        (15-319

Thomas J. Porter
3600 Matthews Dr.
Anchorage, AK 99516
        (15-315

R. L. Bassett
7207 North 7th St.
Phoenix, AZ 85020
        (15-301

william shaw
Hoyt Marine
633 Newark Rd
Kennett Square, PA 19348
        (17

Jerry Vernick, M.D.
111 S. llth St. .
Philadelphia, PA 19107
        (23

John Einarsson
19500 Linda Vista
Los Gates, CA 95030
        (23-072

Richard & Diana Barnes
12606 Eagles Nest
Buda, TX. 78610
        (15-223

Jim Courtois
BOX 285
Garberville, CA 95440
        (17

Howard Shaw
8442 E. Rolling Ridge St.
Tucson, AZ 85710
        (15-212

Larry & Marion Telles
Rt. 1, Box 256 B
Hagerman, ID 83332
        (15

Jerry Lindeman
1261 W. Madero
mesa, AZ 85202
        (15-175

Paul Spriggs
P.O. BOX 675
Florence, OR 97439
        (17

Rudy Caplan
32000 Riverside Dr. (Hwy.74
Lake Elsinore,CA 92330
        (15-206


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From: TEHowe@aol.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: second 25% of "BIG ROSTER" from 85
Date: 04 Dec 1996 15:45:37 -0500

Hi, thanks for the work on the roster. I saw my boat, M-17 #278," Osprey", on
the list. At the time, it was owned by Richard Pilant. Richard now sails on
an aluminum catboat that he built, and joins me on the M-17 on occasion.

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From: Randolph I Palmer <palmerri@uwec.edu>
Subject: M_Boats: Midwest M_Boats on the Market
Date: 06 Dec 1996  8:50:16 CST


I saw a couple of M's in the newest Sailing mag.:

'86 M15 Pollard's Landing, Holland MI  616-392-7245  fx392-7383
??  M17 $4,495 Sunset Marine, E. Peoria IL  309-678-2370 or 694-1211

Both areas are NOT M_boat hot spots so maybe some deal can be made (well,
probably not as good as Captain Kidd's <ya bloody pirate!>).   :)
>>>Randy P.


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From: Wilsometer@aol.com
Subject: M_Boats: New M15 owner
Date: 06 Dec 1996 13:50:01 -0500

Greetings!
My name is Scott Grometer, and I am the new owner (finally) of a 1991 M15,
hull #478.  I would like to extend a big thank you to Bert Felton
("Kokopelli", M15 #280) for all of his help in finding my boat, and for a
couple of test sails and a myriad of phone calls while I was still
"waffling."  I looked at a number of boats, and called on quite a few others.
 Bert notified me about a '91 that had been stored unused since new; the only
hitch being that the boat was located in Colorado, and I live in Saratoga,
California.  I called and was assured by the previous owner (also a M17
owner) that the boat was "perfect," sailed maybe once as a demo at the
dealership.  I have learned to greatly discount claims of perfection,
especially in used boats, but decided to bite the bullet (or swallow the
anchor!) and drive to Colorado.  This is where the adventure began.  Half way
across Utah, the pinion bearing in the rear end of my truck decided to
explode, resulting in a rather abrupt aborting of my journey.  I then rented
a U-Haul truck and flatbed trailer to haul the wounded truck home.  This
U-Haul developed chronic fuel delivery problems, stranding me yet again in
the vast expanses of the remote (albeit beautiful) Utah desert.  I did
eventually make it home, and $2000 later, rebuilt half of my truck.  Halving
used much of the funds allocated for the purchase of the boat for the needed
repairs, it looked like the purchase was off.  Enter deficict financing.  A
very patient Ken Shaw (owner of both the M15 in question, and an M17) agreed
to wait for my arrival in late August/Early September.   I finally arrived in
Colorado to find the boat was indeed near perfect.   Between thunder storms,
I quickly made boat and trailer ready for the 1500 mile journey home.  This
was the begining of yet another adventure.  After cresting the Rockies, and
just after dark,  The trailer went into terminal wobble mode.  You guessed
it! a flat tire.  Turns out it was the valve stem.  I had brought with me a
new spare tire and wheel, as well as two new tires to mount if needed.  That
should have been the end of the story, but the next morning, still in
Colorado, a guy in a huge four wheel drive truck backed into my truck while I
was getting a new tire mounted at a tire shop.  Ugh!  The truck was still
driveable, but I was starting to question my commitment to this whole boat
thing.  Well, they say that bad news comes in 3's.  Having made it as far as
Middlegate, Nevada, I realized that my camera was back in Austin,
Nevada--some 60 miles back!  After backtracking in the dark--dodging a
million jack rabbits and kangaroo rats-- I arrived in Austin only to find
that the camera had been bouncing around in the cockpit sole of the M the
entire time.  Anyway, boat and human are now safely in California.  Too broke
to pay even the registration or sales tax, the boat will rest in the garage
for a while, but when it is Christened, it will be sailed in the S.F. Bay,
the Monterey Bay (when calm!), and next August, In British Columbia Waters
(Jervis Inlet,  Desolation Sound, etc.) with Bert Felton.  I have much to
share about trailering, tires (radial and non), etc. if anyone is interested,
but I think by rambling on I am already in severe violation of internet
protocol!!!   Scott Grometer

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From: Randy Graves <randy@site.eitc.edu>
Subject: RE: M_Boats: New M15 owner
Date: 06 Dec 1996 13:59:10 -0700

Scott,

Here is a pat on the back to you!  We went as far as Minnesota (3,800 =
miles round trip) to pick up our M-15. Once the dust settles and you =
check book balance increases you will have many hours of enjoyable =
sailing in a quality built boat and the saga will have been worth it =
all.

Randy G.=20


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From: Keith Diehl <kdiehl@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: New M15 owner
Date: 06 Dec 1996 16:53:49 -0700 (MST)

We have very little protocol on this list! 

I believe what you experienced was nature's way of telling you to move from 
California to Utah and sail the Great Salt Lake.

Keith Diehl -- Salt Lake City
http://www.xmission.com/~kdiehl

On Fri, 6 Dec 1996, Wilsometer@aol.com wrote:
<snip>

>Half way across Utah, 

> stranding me yet again in the vast expanses of the remote (albeit beautiful) 
>Utah desert. 

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From: slyingst@sonic.net (Stephen Yingst)
Subject: M_Boats: Re: M15s for sale
Date: 07 Dec 1996 14:10:34 -0800

Thank you all for input on prices.  Should anyone else be interested, there
are currently 3 M15 actively for sale in this area; 2 in Sacramento at a
dealership for $5300 and $5400, and one from a private party for $4000.  No
super deals, but they're decent boats and could be cleaned up nicely.  Now,
if I can just sell my 650 turbo and Hobie 18...

"He was born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad."



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From: Joe Kidd <jk@ims.mariposa.ca.us>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Midwest M_Boats on the Market
Date: 08 Dec 1996 15:40:16 -0800

At 08:50 AM 12/6/96 CST, you wrote:
>
>I saw a couple of M's in the newest Sailing mag.:
>
>'86 M15 Pollard's Landing, Holland MI  616-392-7245  fx392-7383
>??  M17 $4,495 Sunset Marine, E. Peoria IL  309-678-2370 or 694-1211
>
>Both areas are NOT M_boat hot spots so maybe some deal can be made (well,
>probably not as good as Captain Kidd's <ya bloody pirate!>).   :)
>>>>Randy P.
>
>

Randy,

"Bloody Pirate?"  I thought all Montgomery owners were pure as the driven
snow.  Surely, there is no larceny in hearts so pure as yours or mine.

Would you believe that I almost did not go look at the boat.  If figure at
that price it was a dog.  In fact, when I told my wife about it her first
response was, "You're going to buy it aren't you?" -- and I said "Probably
not.  I'm not interested in a fixer-upper."

Even though I told the seller what he had (other wise I surely would have
felt like a pirate), he took my check and then expressed surprise that I had
not wanted to haggled over the price.  I think he must have planned to go
even lower on the price.  I was not about to let that beautiful Montgomery
15 get away (at twice the price).  To be perfectly honest, I told him I
wanted close the deal before he changed his mind -- and wrote the check and
tow the boat of my dreams home...

Good fortune often smiles on us...  This time he laughed right out loud.

Joe Kidd
M-15 #207  "Poco A Poco"



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From: Randolph I Palmer <palmerri@uwec.edu>
Subject: M_Boats: Cap'n Kidd
Date: 09 Dec 1996  7:37:05 CST


I just had to "Poca A" little fun at our own Captain Kidd...  You got a great
boat at a great price and who can begrudge you that?   Welcome to the
(slightly crazy) world of M_boats!  I have yet to meet a M_owner I didn't
like.  I'm sure you're not an exception.  Happy sailing, Joe!   
Randy P.
M23 "Early Light"
M15 "Oui-1"
M7-8 


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From: Randolph I Palmer <palmerri@uwec.edu>
Subject: M_Boats: New M15 owner	In reply to 961206135000
Date: 09 Dec 1996  9:06:29 CST


Scott,

Sometimes I think that the M_boats take on the character of their creator.
They, like Jerry, want to see if you are worthy of their respect.  Jerry
liked to make sure HIS boats were going to good homes.  Obviously, you have
proven that you worthy of Montgomery ownership.

My experiences were not as severe as yours (thank goodness).   I went to pick
up my M23 in Madison, WI in early April.  The forecast called for a slight
chance of rain.  As soon as I hooked on the boat it started to sprinkle.  By
the time we were on the road it turned to snow.  By the time we hit the
interstate north of town there was 3-4" of greasy snow on the ground.  We
waited at a rest area for a couple of hours to let the fenderbenders clear up
and then headed north.  The interstate was not as good as it looked.  We were
pulling the boat with a half-ton two wheel drive pickup with summer bias-ply
tires.  We could only do about 25-30mph on the freeway without sliding around
(of course the cars were only doing about 35-40).  We pulled off the freeway
at Wisconsin Dells (my folks live there) to spend the night.  This was a
change of plans but the snow was six inches deep and still coming.  We tried
to make to their house but could not make a hill - I had to back down with
the truck in the ditch in order to keep the boat on the road.  We ended
leaving our new investment and love in a farmer's field, wondering what the
heck were we doing out here anyway.  I'm glad to say we made it home the next
day without much trouble.

We picked up our new M15 in Utah from Jerry M. in late June 1993.  We headed
north in western Wyoming and hit a stretch of road construction.  That
started a series of flat tires (4 times to the tire garage) which was costly
both timewise and moneywise.  The 12 inch bias plies that came with the M15
were junk with about 600 miles on them. (We later changed to 13" car radials
and love them).  We finally got to Jackson  Lake, Wyo. and launced her at
Colter Bay with the Grand Teton Range reflecting in the water all around us.
As it was late in the day (lost a planned day of sailing due to the tires),
we rented a mooring.  But we had s short test sail around the Bay first.  The
next morning it started to rain - or so I thought.  My wife looked out the
port window and said it was snowing.  I said "No, it can't be."  It was.  The
winds were blowing upwards of 40 mph and the temperature was in the same
category.  We went for a hike and saw a cow and calf moose but postponed our
sail another day.  Then next morning started off beautifully and we had a
chance to get a feel for the boat before the clouds came over the range and
the winds started howling (but that's another story).  We made it home on an
old spare tire that I brought along - "just in case."

I was tempted to name the M23 "Snowgoose" after our run home.  The M15 was
named before we bought her or she may have had that handle.  I can say I feel
like you did - that the fates were really testing me on buying the M's.  I
must say in retrospect that they have been a couple of the best decisions I
made in my life.  I hope that you come to share that sentiment.

Randy P.


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From: rc2222@pacbell.net
Subject: M_Boats: Chuck and Jerry
Date: 09 Dec 1996 08:35:00 -0800

I sent a Christmas card to Jerry Montgomery and signed
it Chuck McCoy.  On the reverse side I wrote "just kidding" and 
signed my name.  Jerry called to say the joke worked.  He said
he hopes to get a modem for Christmas and is thinking of joining
us on the net.  I'm still waiting for my new M15.
Rich Cottrell

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From: Randolph I Palmer <palmerri@uwec.edu>
Subject: M_Boats: Chuck and Jerry	In reply to 32AC3FB4.45A
Date: 09 Dec 1996 11:06:29 CST


Rich,

The rumors are flying.  Could you give us an update on who has the M_boat
molds?  I wouldn't mind sending Jerry a note (nice one - that is).  Is he at
the address in the M_Owners Newsletter from last year?

Randy P.


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From: rc2222@pacbell.net
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Chuck and Jerry	In reply to 32AC3FB4.45A
Date: 09 Dec 1996 15:27:26 -0800

Randolph I Palmer wrote:
> 
> Rich,
> 
> The rumors are flying.  Could you give us an update on who has the M_boat
> molds?  I wouldn't mind sending Jerry a note (nice one - that is).  Is he at
> the address in the M_Owners Newsletter from last year?
> 
> Randy P.


Randy:

  This information is from what Chuck and Jerry have told me on different
occassions:  In May, Chuck picked up the molds for the 15 & 17.  My best
guess is they're in the Seattle area.  Chuck sent me pictures of my 
new 15 in August (two stripes of dark blue and colonial white).  
Jerry still has the molds for the 23 and his other smaller boats in the
Sacramento area.  Jerry's address is the same as indicated in the
Montgomery Newsletter. 

 The only legitimate reason for the delays is that Chuck has had to 
re-design all the rigging himself, since he never purchased any from
Jerry nor is he using any of the old suppliers. In fact, he left another
message late last night that he's planning on leaving for San Francisco
next week with my boat- I've heard this several times before.  Last week
I left him a message that I'm going to the F.B.I.
 My twelve year old son thinks I'm really stupid.  My wife can only think
of all the different vacations we could have taken with the deposit Chuck
McCoy has. I wish I only played golf!!

Rich Cottrell

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From: "Tom T. Wilkinson" <71574.2614@compuserve.com>
Subject: M_Boats: montgomery boats
Date: 09 Dec 1996 22:37:26 EST

Hello to all of you,
I am a new subscriber to this list and as requested I'm just sending a note
about myself and interests.  I'm 43 and live in Northern California.  I have
done most of my sailing on San Francisco Bay in boats around 32 ft.  I have been
an admirer of Lyle Hess' designs and hope some day to own a Bristol Channel
Cutter.  I do not own a boat now but  am waiting and waiting and waiting for my
new M17 that was to be delivered in Oct.  When I talked to Chuck McCoy prior to
ordering the boat I specified some changes that I wanted, specifically two round
ports per side inplace of the standard window.  He said that he had decided to
do this already and so there would be no problem.  The problem seems to be
getting the boat.  Also a problem is contacting Chuck to see whats going on.
Calls to the number in the ad
 in Sailing magazine are unanweredand now the message states his mailbox is
full.  I am getting a little nervous.  Would appreciate any info anyone has
regarding Annapolis Launch and Dinghy.

Tom


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From: "Larry Barkhuff/Nv." <102562.2650@compuserve.com>
Subject: M_Boats: Another 23 located
Date: 10 Dec 1996 00:31:18 EST

Mr. Palmer wrote me earlier this month about a 23 that had been damaged in 
a storm this past summer.  I wrote the owner and received a nice letter 
from him describing the accident caused by severe winds while the boat was 
secured to a dock which was blown away.  He and his wife are both in their 
70's and have trailered the boat to SFO and to the Chesapeake from home in 
Minnesota.  It seems they love to travel but are homebound due to vicic 
commitments.  The boat is in a repair yard to fix the damage.  He has a 
roller furling on the headstay, but said little about the other 
modifications on  the boat.  Only that she was purchased in1980, and he 
owned a 17, and traded up with no regrets..  I will be in contact again 
with him to see if we can get him into the electronic gang,.....More info 
later, but another lost child has been found......Larry

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From: Randolph I Palmer <palmerri@uwec.edu>
Subject: M_Boats: Another 23 located 
Date: 10 Dec 1996  8:35:35 CST


I saw the damaged M23 again at Hooper's Yachts on Saturday - she looks better
with some clean up work done on her.  She's hull number 8 (979), which is
powder blue, and carries the name "Lady Laila."  ---Randy P.


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From: Mont15@aol.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: montgomery boats
Date: 10 Dec 1996 22:19:31 -0500

Tom, you contacted the right place.  Another person has ordered a 15 and has
been waiting and waiting.  Hopefully, he will read you messasge and contact
you.  Bert

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From: Saltm17@aol.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Another 23 located
Date: 12 Dec 1996 10:42:48 -0500

Larry,

I am still trying to find a less expensive way to get the boat to the east
coast.  Have you had any good ideas?  

John

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From: rc2222@pacbell.net
Subject: M_Boats: Montgomery 17
Date: 12 Dec 1996 11:14:18 -0800

Jerry Montgomery informed me this morning that Chuck McCoy doesn't
have the Tooling (molds) for the Montgomery 17.  Jerry has them!!
Chuck McCoy has the Montgomery 17 Centerboard Mold only, in addition
to the Montgomery 15 Molds. Sorry for the misinformation.
Rich

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From: Nick Kershner <justtype@gte.net>
Subject: M_Boats: Looking for 12 Footers........
Date: 12 Dec 1996 05:31:52 -0500

Greetings from St. Petersburg, Florida........

Would like to hear from any owners who have 12' Montgomery sailboats. I
have one and it's a great little boat! Where are the rest? Is anybody
making any size of Montgomery now? Who has the molds? Any info would be
appreciated.

Thanks, Nick:-)

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From: KinhLuan Nguyenngoc  <KinhLuan_Nguyenngoc%WONDERWARE@notes.worldcom.com>
Subject: M_Boats: M-yarns part 1
Date: 12 Dec 1996 14:33:32 EDT

well folks, the first _reported_  M-gathering on this list happened a few days 
ago...speaking of which, did anything come out of the planned for last october 
one in SanFran ?

due to various time constraints, it was a weekday's long lunch hour, spent by 
yours truly on John Fell's M15...#126 from 1981, it now resides in Dana Point CA

even without sailing, it was a longer lunch hour than I expected...we planned 
an M-flotilla cruise to Catalina Island, 38 blue Pacific miles away, next 
spring or summer...in the nearer future, there might be some M-daysailing in 
january...yes january, next to the Keys and Hawaii, I would put SoCal as the 
3rd best sailing area of the US in the dead of winter

we also yakked about numerous topics...why we bought an M-15 (I'll let John 
tell his story, but as a preview, let me say that he would give "Captain Kidd" 
a run at the Award For Best M Spirited Away !-),,,I'll get to the other 
M-topics in future parts..oh we did touch upon one non-M topic, concerning the 
M15's "biggest" competitor...you know, the one that starts with a W  '-)

anyhoo that was a very auspicious beginning for what we hope will be many 
M-gatherings...one tangible piece that all of you can partake of, will be a new 
photo on Keith's webpage...as far as I know, it is the only M15 photo on the 
Web that I know of ...the young sailor smiling at you is not just John's 10 yr 
old, she is also an M-repair-person...she shimmied to the back of the M15 in 
order to do the bolts that hold the motor mount

more to come,
luan
windsong, 15/81-147


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From: KinhLuan Nguyenngoc  <KinhLuan_Nguyenngoc%WONDERWARE@notes.worldcom.com>
Subject: M_Boats: E-christmas-card
Date: 13 Dec 1996 17:09:05 

thanks, Bob Becker, for a good E-card ! 

by the way, I don't recall having seen an M-post from Bob...has my memory gone 
bad, or is Bob still in "lurker mode" ?-)

luan
windsong, 15/81-147

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From: Mont15@aol.com
Subject: M_Boats: a 15 for sail
Date: 14 Dec 1996 14:01:53 -0500

I just read the S.F. Chronicle this morning, and the following add ran:
Montgomery 15, like new cont., laoded, $5,500?bo 510-846-3941.  I know some
of you are looking.  I left a message on the person's machine to call back.
 When I get more info., I'll put it on line.  Bert (Kokopelli)

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From: Robert Becker <becker-r@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: E-christmas-card
Date: 14 Dec 1996 12:55:07 +0000

KinhLuan Nguyenngoc wrote:
> 
> thanks, Bob Becker, for a good E-card !
> 
> by the way, I don't recall having seen an M-post from Bob...has my memory gone
> bad, or is Bob still in "lurker mode" ?-)
> 
> luan
> windsong, 15/81-147

Luan,
Lurker Bob here.  I have a M15 and sail the SF bay every chance I get; 
my occupation of choice since I retired.

If/when plans get finalized for a cruise to Catalina, count me in.

Looking foreward to meeting you.

Bob

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From: Mont15@aol.com
Subject: M_Boats: update on M 15 for sale
Date: 14 Dec 1996 16:53:04 -0500

Here's the info. on the M 15:  owner Phil; in storage for 5 years; 1984; blue
stripe; EZ Loader galvanized trailer; new tires including spare and tongue
jack; '92 Honda 2 hp; mast carrier; ladder; anchor; compass; 3 sails (
including storm jib); whisker pole; bow pulpit; he rates it a 9 on a 1-10
point scale; in great shape.  $5,500. bo 510-846-3941. He is selling the boat
because of injuries in a car accident two years ago.  Bert (Kokopelli)


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From: sethm@adfg.state.ak.us (Seth Macinko)
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Season's Greetings!
Date: 16 Dec 1996 18:33:51 -0700 (MST)

Anybody else have trouble retreiving the following? I did and I'm just
curious if it's a problem on my end.

Regards,

Seth


>The postmaster at Connect-Time's Greeting Card shop has a 
>card from Bob waiting for you at:
>
>     http://www.connect-time.com/cgi-bin/seasonsgreetings
>
>Please bring your pickup number:  mont7644
>
>P.S. You can go directly to your page at
>
>     http://www.connect-time.com/cgi-bin/seasonsgreetings?codeword=mont7644


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From: Randy Sommerfeld <sommerfeld@uwstout.edu>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Season's Greetings!
Date: 17 Dec 1996 05:52:56 -0600 (CST)

It did not work for me...I just figured I missed the cutoff time or that
maybe the card is automatically deleted after it is hit on.

Randy Sommerfeld

At 06:33 PM 12/16/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Anybody else have trouble retreiving the following? I did and I'm just
>curious if it's a problem on my end.
>
>Regards,
>
>Seth
>
>


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From: Motomike@aol.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Season's Greetings!
Date: 17 Dec 1996 10:58:16 -0500

I could not retreive the card.  However, I would like to take this
opportunity to wish all the Mont Owners and Their Families Happy Holidays and
a Wonderful 1997!
- - Mike  and Charli Frederick, M17.

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From: KinhLuan Nguyenngoc  <KinhLuan_Nguyenngoc%WONDERWARE@notes.worldcom.com>
Subject: M_Boats: M for sale, M-yarns part deux
Date: 17 Dec 1996 11:29:17 

hi the last time at looked at Sail mag, it was in "small" format...how long ago 
was that ? anyway in the current issue, i did not see the M-ad (for new Ms) 
that was mentioned here a couple of weeks back...however I did see 2 broker 
ads, one for an M15, one for an M17...both in the midwest...$$ are in the 
ballpark of posts here...how often are M-boats spotted in Sail ?

it was great to see Bob "de-lurk"   >  Lurker Bob here.  I have a M15 and sail 
the SF bay every chance I get; 
my occupation of choice since I retired.

then a "uh-oh now we rilly have to do it", eh John ?-)
>  If/when plans get finalized for a cruise to Catalina, count me in.

by the way Bob, what's your hull # ?

during SoCal's M-gathering, John had re-mentioned that he just replaced all 3 
of his rigging for only $80 at West Marine...I thought that was a good idea, as 
I recounted my somewhat scary incident in 87...when I put my M15 back on its 
trailer after my 2nd tripp to Catalina, I was shocked to see that one shroud 
had frayed about half-way thru

even I did not go over the rigging with a microscope when I rigged the boat a 
couple of days earlier, I can vouch that any fraying would have to be near 
invisible, just 60 nautical miles earlier...I now will definitely replace the 2 
remaining pieces of rigging...if your M has had more than 1500 miles of water 
under its keel (that is my odometer 's (a detachable AA-powered ROTEC by the 
way) reading '-) 

still on the subject of rigging scares, I've read somewhere about a sailor who 
checks his rigging daily with binoculars ! my binocs focus down to  9-10 ft or 
so, so I'll try that idea out next time I go out as well

luan
windsong, 15/81-147


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From: Joe Kidd <jk@ims.mariposa.ca.us>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Season's Greetings!
Date: 17 Dec 1996 17:28:08 -0800

At 05:52 AM 12/17/96 -0600, you wrote:
>It did not work for me...I just figured I missed the cutoff time or that
>maybe the card is automatically deleted after it is hit on.
>
>Randy Sommerfeld
>
>At 06:33 PM 12/16/96 -0700, you wrote:
>>Anybody else have trouble retreiving the following? I did and I'm just
>>curious if it's a problem on my end.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Seth
>>
>>
>
I tried three times and finally gave up.  The page was accessed but the code
did not work.

Joe Kidd>


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From: Robert Becker <becker-r@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: M_Boats: christmas greetings
Date: 17 Dec 1996 19:23:20 +0000

Sorry not everyone got my card.  There apparently was a counter on the 
site that blocked some of the later visitors.

You can still get there thru 
www.connect-time.com/cgi-bin/seasonsgreetings (I think) and use it to 
send cards to others on your list.
Bob M15 #208

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From: Rod and Elsa Johnson <elsajohn@olympus.net>
Subject: M_Boats: New  guy on the list
Date: 17 Dec 1996 21:23:20 -0800

Hello everyone - I have owned Busca Brisas, M17 #408, for a couple years 
now - bought it from the original owner, Jim Koch in San Diego (for 
$6500). It was (and still is) in excellent condition having been little 
used, but Jim cleaned  and waxed it to perfection before I picked it up. 
I already knew it was special but that emphasized the point.
   So far I haven't sailed it a whole lot because I was busy working on 
another boat (since sold), then did some sailing as crew on other boats. 
Now I am looking forward to cruising the Montgomery. My plans are to 
explore the San Juans and north to Desolation Sound and maybe beyond this 
year. I live in Port Angeles WA and look from my kitchen window across 
the Strait of Juan de Fuca at the San Juans, I sailed there and thru the 
Inside Passage to Alaska in my last boat (a CT41 ketch) last year, and 
the bug has really bit me to go again in the Montgomery. 
   I have a few mods in mind and I would appreciate any comments or info 
 about them. First is a way to keep an anchor ready on the bow. I am 
building a little bowsprit with a roller for an 11# Bruce but can't 
decide how or where to keep the chain and rode. Second is a kick-up 
rudder (following a bad experience with a submerged log). Has anyone 
built one? Does the new Montgomery builder have them? Third is a system 
to improve reefing the main. I think I need to convert from a bolt rope 
to slides and maybe add lazy-jacks (I have already added a topping lift). 
I plan to talk to a sail maker about that but would appreciate any 
comments. Most of my sailing will be single handing and that makes some 
of these things a little more critical I think. Meanwhile I am sailing 
the boat as is and I'm having a ball. What a jewel!
   It is really great to discover this group. For a long time I thought 
maybe I was the last Montgomery owner on earth -
   Rod Johnson; e-mail is  Rod<elsajohn@olympus.net>

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From: rc2222@pacbell.net
Subject: M_Boats: Chuck McCoy
Date: 18 Dec 1996 09:27:24 -0800

Chuck McCoy has missed another delivery date for my
new M15.  If you know of anyone who has contracted to
purchase products from Mr. McCoy, I would appreciate
hearing from them. 
   I'm back in the market for a used M15. I appreciate
all the leads posted here. Thank's!
Rich Cottrell

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From: Stanley Townsend <townsend@pacific.net>
Subject: M_Boats: Moved to Potter Valley
Date: 18 Dec 1996 14:51:10 -0800

Well, I have moved my M15 (Freya) from under the redwoods of the hills
above Comptche to under the oaks of the hills above Potter Valley...
this in Mendocino County, Northern California.  My wife and I are living
in a 33' 5th wheel trailer until our house is built... starting this
Spring.

Living in Comptche the last two years was great.  A fantastic climate,
with cool WET Winters and warm (delicious) Summers... not to mention the
Fall, with the forest full of mushrooms!  I will miss it.  But living in
Comptche meant I was far enough from sailing spots that I was that much
less likely to go.  And go I didn't.  Last summer I did the Montgomery
group outing to SF Bay in June, I sailed into the blue Pacific once out
of Noyo Harbor, I sailed Clear Lake out of Konocti Harbor once, and I
sailed Lake Mendocino once (with my daughter and grandaughter Freya...
my boat's namesake!).  That was the extent of my sailing.  Pretty
pathetic.  Our Potter Valley property is about 5 minutes from the launch
ramp at Lake Mendocino... I get a panoramic drive-by view of the Lake on
my way to work each day.  We are about a half hour from Clear Lake.  So
I'm looking forward to much more sailing next summer.

I would really like to do SF Bay again at least once.  We have a friend
living on a boat at Sausalito, so that will probably be our starting
point.  I also want to sail Tomales Bay, and maybe the Delta.  I will be
watching this group as plans for a Catalina outing firm up.  It would be
amazing if I could actually work that in, but I'm definately interested.

Thanks to the group for providing my sailing "fix" vicariously while I
have been relatively idle.  As I get (back) into sailing Freya, I'll
contribute some experiences.

-- 
townsend@pacific.net (Stanley Townsend - M15 "Freya")


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From: luan <Connect-Time.Greeting.Card.Shop@beam.connect-time.com>
Subject: M_Boats: Season's Greetings!
Date: 18 Dec 1996 19:56:52 -0500

The postmaster at Connect-Time's Greeting Card shop has a 
card from luan waiting for you at:

     http://www.connect-time.com/cgi-bin/seasonsgreetings

Please bring your pickup number:  mont2648

P.S. You can go directly to your page at

     http://www.connect-time.com/cgi-bin/seasonsgreetings?codeword=mont2648

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From: Karen Fell <vup1@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Season's Greetings!
Date: 19 Dec 1996 01:00:07 -0800 (PST)

Yes I had trouble picking it up. I am informed not to put a space between
the numbers and the mont. I didn't think that I had. I will try one more
time. John.At 06:33 PM 12/16/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Anybody else have trouble retreiving the following? I did and I'm just
>curious if it's a problem on my end.
>
>Regards,
>
>Seth
>
>
>>The postmaster at Connect-Time's Greeting Card shop has a 
>>card from Bob waiting for you at:
>>
>>     http://www.connect-time.com/cgi-bin/seasonsgreetings
>>
>>Please bring your pickup number:  mont7644
>>
>>P.S. You can go directly to your page at
>>
>>     http://www.connect-time.com/cgi-bin/seasonsgreetings?codeword=mont7644
>
>
>


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From: Karen Fell <vup1@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: M for sale, M-yarns part deux
Date: 19 Dec 1996 01:08:58 -0800 (PST)

Luan, I'm not gone just very tired with the christmas rush. I promice to
participate more after the holidays. To all out there, I can't wait to see
Luan's boat. I hear that it is so well equiped that most yachts would be
envious at windsongs outfitting. To all a safe holiday. I look foward to
seeing any m onners that will be able to participate it a trip to Catalina
Island next spring. Get your boats ready. John. At 11:29 AM 12/17/96, you wrote:
>hi the last time at looked at Sail mag, it was in "small" format...how long
ago 
>was that ? anyway in the current issue, i did not see the M-ad (for new Ms) 
>that was mentioned here a couple of weeks back...however I did see 2 broker 
>ads, one for an M15, one for an M17...both in the midwest...$$ are in the 
>ballpark of posts here...how often are M-boats spotted in Sail ?
>
>it was great to see Bob "de-lurk"   >  Lurker Bob here.  I have a M15 and sail 
>the SF bay every chance I get; 
>my occupation of choice since I retired.
>
>then a "uh-oh now we rilly have to do it", eh John ?-)
>>  If/when plans get finalized for a cruise to Catalina, count me in.
>
>by the way Bob, what's your hull # ?
>
>during SoCal's M-gathering, John had re-mentioned that he just replaced all 3 
>of his rigging for only $80 at West Marine...I thought that was a good
idea, as 
>I recounted my somewhat scary incident in 87...when I put my M15 back on its 
>trailer after my 2nd tripp to Catalina, I was shocked to see that one shroud 
>had frayed about half-way thru
>
>even I did not go over the rigging with a microscope when I rigged the boat a 
>couple of days earlier, I can vouch that any fraying would have to be near 
>invisible, just 60 nautical miles earlier...I now will definitely replace
the 2 
>remaining pieces of rigging...if your M has had more than 1500 miles of water 
>under its keel (that is my odometer 's (a detachable AA-powered ROTEC by the 
>way) reading '-) 
>
>still on the subject of rigging scares, I've read somewhere about a sailor who 
>checks his rigging daily with binoculars ! my binocs focus down to  9-10 ft or 
>so, so I'll try that idea out next time I go out as well
>
>luan
>windsong, 15/81-147
>
>
>


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From: KinhLuan Nguyenngoc  <KinhLuan_Nguyenngoc%WONDERWARE@notes.worldcom.com>
Subject: M_Boats: another E-card coming...
Date: 18 Dec 1996 17:32:48 

but those who looked at Bob's card should refrain from peeking at this one, so 
that Randy, Seth, Joe and Mike have a chance this time !-)

and for the web-challenged, 

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year,

so sings the wind

luan
windsong, 15/81-147

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From: KinhLuan Nguyenngoc  <KinhLuan_Nguyenngoc%WONDERWARE@notes.worldcom.com>
Subject: M_Boats: a NAUTICAL greeting card for ALL (*UNLIMITED* viewing)
Date: 20 Dec 1996 16:52:40 

hi gang,

remember the promised pic of John Fell's daughter and his M15 ? either Keith is 
on vacation, or my email to him ended up in the "bit bucket"...I have been 
anxiously checking xmission.com for a sign of it, to no avail yet

not to worry, that heartwarming portrait  *HAS* made an appearance at this 
webpage courtesy of Polaroid :


http://www.polaroid.com/cgi-bin/print-card.cgi?card_id=175


if your mail reader supports direct webaccess, you can just doubleclick on the 
link above...if it does not, you will have to copy-and-paste it, or just retype 
it into your netscape...I just checked the polaroid page and it has been seen 
by 8 persons already !! I wonder who ? mebbe we'll add a couple of fans to our 
M-ranks ?-)

by the way, there is still time for those with scanners to put up an M-greeting 
at the Polaroid website...let me also repeat my perhaps offer to scan paper 
M-photos for web purposes (next year's M-greetings perhaps ?-)

lastly, Harvey and I are working on a 2-megabyte  M-webpage for photos, 
brochures, and any other M-stuff too big for Keith's site

luan
windsong  15/81-147


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From: Catherine Jorgensen <jorge@sisna.com>
Subject: M_Boats: M Boat Nationals
Date: 21 Dec 1996 23:13:32 -0800

luan-  Sorry for the long delay to your questions. 
     The article I have states"about 70 boats raced" but that includes
Catalina 22's and a daysailer open class?  I will photo copy the article
and send it to the Montgomery news letter if their interested.  Kieth
Diehl will be interested because the article is about his M Boat.
  
     Seasons Greeting!!!      Steve Jorgensen, Brighton, Ut.

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From: Harvey Wilson <102072.2315@compuserve.com>
Subject: M_Boats: Copy of: Montgomery 17 for sale
Date: 28 Dec 1996 20:41:24 EST

Hi Y'all...

Montgomery 17,  hull # 74, made in 1975,  for sale.  I first saw this in the
summer issue of the Montgomery newsletter that was sent to me recently by the
editor (a sample)  It was listed for $3500 then. I called (on my WATS line) when
I saw it, as I know  several others are interested in the M-17.  I received a
postcard listing what will go with the boat, and a new price of $2700 !!

1..full flotation..extra poured in.
2..mast head tri-light
3..new EPIRB
4..new GPS
5..new handheld VHF radio
6..Honda 2hp  "good shape"
7..trailer.."fair shape..needs new tires"
8..cushions..decent
9..new paint.."home done"

He states it will be listed in the Florida Boat Trader magazine next month.
This is the magazine that I got my M-17 from.  It was in at least 2 issues, and
being winter, I don't know if it'll sell very quickly.

Tom Lapradd  (owner)
4431 NW 53rd St.
Gainsesville, Fla.
32606
phone number is (352) 338-3575

No brand names were given to the electronics listed, altho they're probably
close to $800 new, depending on brand/model.  Also, no information as to why or
where the additional flotation was put.


 Harvey/Atl    


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From: KinhLuan Nguyenngoc  <KinhLuan_Nguyenngoc%WONDERWARE@notes.worldcom.com>
Subject: M_Boats: so long for now, happy new year
Date: 31 Dec 1996 18:27:01 

hi, due to a surprise development in my life, you won't see me here for a 
while...let me dust off this old irish goodbye for the occasion:

until we meet again
may the sea rise to meet you
may the wind blow softly on your sails
may God hold you in the palm of his hand
this happy new year

luan
windsong

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From: anastasio@zapcom.net (John Anastasio)
Subject: M_Boats: New Year's greetings
Date: 31 Dec 1996 18:42:05 -0800

May you all have a fair winds in the coming year.
Meanwhile, back on the coast, we are sick of the weeks of rain!

SECURITE! SECURITE!
PACIFIC N OF 30N AND E OF A LINE FROM THE BERING STRAIT TO 160E.
SYNOPSIS VALID 1800 UTC 31 DEC FORECAST VALID 0600 UTC 02 JAN 97

WARNINGS

STORM 41N 141W 968 MB MOVING NE 40 KT. WINDS 35 TO 50 KT SEAS 16
TO 32 FT

POINT ST GEORGE TO POINT ARENA

...STORM WARNING...

.TONIGHT...WIND S 40 TO 50 KT WITH GUSTS TO 70 KT. SEAS 25 FT. RAIN.