From: RSandler@usa.pipeline.com (Ron Sandler) Subject: Re: Camp Info and ME!? :) Date: 01 Aug 1996 00:31:21 GMT On Jul 31, 1996 19:57:06, '"Roger Oulton" ' wrote: >Gotch'ya and Great! > >See ya down there. >Now where excatly do I go first? >I'm getting my maps all marked and insurance paid up, but I still don't have an >exactly addrews. >Do I show up on your door step sunday night? at hotel Mondey Morning? Well, that depends on the hotel arrangements. My numbers: 810-548-3217 home; 810-548-0530 office. How are you getting here? The hotel should be able to get you to the hotel. Once here, call and I'll get you to the arena. I'm not sure where you guys are going to stay, so it's kinda hard to give directions!!! However, the arena is located at: 1403 Lexington in Royal Oak 810-544-6690. Generic directions: Interstate 696 ( I -696 ) to I - 75 North. Exit at I - 75 at Fourteen Mile Road (exit number 65). Travel WEST (it should be a left turn, but the directions is ABSOLUTELY west) about 1 mile (1.4? km) to MAIN street. Turn left and head SOUTH. After about 0.8 miles, you will come to LEXINGTON. Turn left and head WEST about 3/4 mile on the LEFT is the arena. Across the street is a large high school. Tentative plans call for off ice training at 4:00 pm followed by ice time at 6:00 pm. -- Ron Sandler rsandler@detroit.freenet.org 1-2-0 2.67 GAA Spring ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steven.sanyal@utoronto.ca Subject: Leg pad repairs Date: 01 Aug 1996 01:48:10 -0400 I need to get my leg pads repaired in a few spots. Does anyone know any good places in the general Metro Toronto Area? Regards Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RSandler@usa.pipeline.com (Ron Sandler) Subject: Re: Hotels at Goalie Conference Date: 01 Aug 1996 13:07:09 GMT On Aug 01, 1996 00:51:19, 'rickt@wybbs.wynalda.com (rickt)' wrote: >As far as I can tell the group consists of Roger, Dave S(who is staying with a >friend), you and me. Is there someone else? If it appears that it is going to >be just Roger and me in a hotel then we might as well go cheaper. Such as a Red >Roof or similar. That would be cheaper, but Dave now wants to stay with you guys. Hey Scott, what's up with you? -- Ron Sandler rsandler@detroit.freenet.org 1-2-0 2.67 GAA Spring ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: miked@ihs.com (Mike Dockery) Subject: Ottawa/Montreal hockey stores Date: 01 Aug 1996 07:15:37 MDT Plans are under way for a business trip to Ottawa, Ontario. We also plan on a day-trip to Drummondville, Quebec to visit a cd-rom manufacturing plant. Please submit any good hockey/goalie equipment sporting goods stores to visit! Any in Montreal may be of help, too, along the basic route to Drummondville. Better yet would be an Ottawa store, since I'll be there the majority of the time. Ahh, a Real hockey outlet within reach... Mike Denver, CO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Hotels at Goalie Conference Date: 01 Aug 1996 11:53:12 -0400 (EDT) At 01:07 PM 01/08/96 GMT, you wrote: >On Aug 01, 1996 00:51:19, 'rickt@wybbs.wynalda.com (rickt)' wrote: > > >>As far as I can tell the group consists of Roger, Dave S(who is staying >with a >>friend), you and me. Is there someone else? If it appears that it is >going to >>be just Roger and me in a hotel then we might as well go cheaper. Such as >a Red >>Roof or similar. > >That would be cheaper, but Dave now wants to stay with you guys. Hey >Scott, what's up with you? > >-- > >Ron Sandler >rsandler@detroit.freenet.org >1-2-0 2.67 GAA Spring > > > Not much is up with me... hahah! Just bogged down with orders and work... otherwise I would have come up and lent a hand in helping out... since I have run several of these camps and appeared in a goalie video and been teaching goaltending for about 12 years and run goalie clinics every weekend here in town for the local hockey group, It would be more beneficial for me to lend a hand in chasing pucks and shooting etc...etc... rather then getting in your way as a as a goalie!! hahah (I am a big guy so I take up alot of space on the ice...... hey... ask paul to show you guys the drill for angles, that you should be able to do with a mask bag over your head... its a cool one... and if you really want to impress the audience (little trade secret here) the shooter and the goalie work as a team to make saves with the bag over his or her head! What its for is net positioning... but you can add an element of shooting (on the ice, and keep your protective head gear on) and the shooter will shoot for the pads, or stick... it impresses the hell outta the people watching... but we all know its just a trick!! hahah but the goalie actually has to be working together with the shooter... Maybe next year you guys could run the camp here in our new twin pad olympic sized ice/aquatic/gymnastics/baseball/soccer complex!! hahah with a good motel within walking distance... and your American moolah would be more then welcomed! here!! Sorry I cant make it down... would have loved to have gone... just too many people want their products ASAP!!! Scott Battram "Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT" Woodstock, Ontario - CANADA "Manufacturers of Custom Goal Equipment" ***BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE:*** http://venus.execulink.com/~sbattram/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott DeChant <74731.2534@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: Hotels at Goalie Conference Date: 01 Aug 1996 21:11:50 EDT I'll be staying with the parents while I'm out there (nothing like free room & board!), but I plan to hook up with you guys at all the outings & stuff. I'll call you (Ron) when I get into town Sunday evening. Hey, btw, when are the off-ice sessions each day -- before or after the on-ice? Scott DeChant ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RSandler@usa.pipeline.com (Ron Sandler) Subject: Re: Hotels at Goalie Conference Date: 02 Aug 1996 18:44:27 GMT On Aug 02, 1996 00:28:46, 'rickt@wybbs.wynalda.com (rickt)' wrote: >I have booked a room, (until I find out otherwise) at the Van Dyke Park hotel >in Warren Michigan >31800 Van Dyke >810-939-2860 > >At this point the rate is $34/night + tax. (good rate it seems) > >Ron is this hotel OK (ie are we going to die in the middle of the night) They >said it had a indoor pool/hottub, resturant, etc The area is safe, but out of the way and not worth the savings. >An alternative is >Plaza Hotel $55/night + tax >16400 J.L Hudson Drive >810-559-6500 >Indoor pool. > >Ron is this any better? MUCH BETTER. I am sure they have sauna and whirlpools and it is about 5 minutes from my house and a bunch closer to the arena. Major shopping across the street and a nice bar. Easy access to Highways also. Highly recommended. -- Ron Sandler rsandler@detroit.freenet.org 1-2-0 2.67 GAA Spring ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RSandler@usa.pipeline.com (Ron Sandler) Subject: Re: Hotels at Goalie Conference Date: 02 Aug 1996 18:45:42 GMT On Aug 01, 1996 21:11:50, 'Scott DeChant <74731.2534@CompuServe.COM>' wrote: >Hey, btw, when are the off-ice sessions each day -- before or after the >on-ice? Both. Conditioning before, video after. -- Ron Sandler rsandler@detroit.freenet.org 1-2-0 2.67 GAA Spring ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ADAM FORSYTH Subject: I finally did it! Date: 05 Aug 1996 13:48:31 +1000 Hi All, Well it has taken a while, but last night I got my first SHUTOUT :) OK, so we played the bottom team, and I only saw 13 shots for the entire game, but it still goes down as a shutout :) That last period was the longest 20 minutes of my life. I know you are not meant to think about the shutout, but that is not real easy. See ya Adam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: I finally did it! Date: 05 Aug 1996 00:18:38 -0400 (EDT) At 01:48 PM 05/08/96 +1000, you wrote: >Hi All, > >Well it has taken a while, but last night I got my first SHUTOUT :) OK, so we >played the bottom team, and I only saw 13 shots for the entire game, but it >still goes down as a shutout :) That last period was the longest 20 minutes of >my life. I know you are not meant to think about the shutout, but that is not >real easy. > >See ya > >Adam > Hey way to go Adam!!! Its been so long, I cant remember my fisrt shutout... but I do know what your talking about when you say those last 20 minutes seem like and eternity... and your just hoping, if the do score, it better not be on a cheap fluke!!! hahah I know I have lost a few shutouts on those types of goals... you know the ones where they bank it in off your defencemans skate... or it misses the net, hits the boards, and comes back out only to hit the goalie on their way back to the post... geez... fluke goals to wreck a shutout!! Havent had many flukes in the last few years... touch wood.... Scott Battram "Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT" Woodstock, Ontario - CANADA "Manufacturers of Custom Goal Equipment" ***BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE:*** http://venus.execulink.com/~sbattram/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Robinson (BIO)" Subject: Re: I finally did it! Date: 05 Aug 1996 08:46:53 -0400 (EDT) On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, ADAM FORSYTH wrote: > Hi All, > > Well it has taken a while, but last night I got my first SHUTOUT :) OK, so we > played the bottom team, and I only saw 13 shots for the entire game, but it > still goes down as a shutout :) That last period was the longest 20 minutes of > my life. I know you are not meant to think about the shutout, but that is not > real easy. > > See ya > > Adam > > Congrats! Yeah, I try really hard to ignore the clock when approaching the end of a shut-out game. But it's nearly impossible. I haven't gotten a shutout yet this season, but I was within one or two minutes of a shutout three times. I doubt my little (unintentional) thoughts about the shutout had anything to do with the goals being scored--two were off of break aways--but still, I can't help wondering. I try not to think about a shutout and tell my team not to mention the possibility either. I don't want to get jinxed. I was wondering...how much do you guys/gals think mental state plays in a play-by-play basis? I know it's important to the overall flow of the game (I even do some mental "exercises" I learned from rowing before a game.), but I was wondering how much you can attribute any one goal to not being mentally ready. Just a thought. Later, Mike ____________________________________________________________________________ Michael P. Robinson Department of Biology - LIF 136 University of South Florida 4202 E Fowler Ave Tampa, FL 33612 813-974-2878; fax 813-974-3263 mrobinso@chuma.cas.usf.edu Korn, Bier, Schnaps und Wein und wir hoeren unsere Leber schrein. ____________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: miked@ihs.com (Mike Dockery) Subject: Shutouts/flukes Date: 05 Aug 1996 07:06:41 MDT In the game last week, the *other* goalie was on his way to a shutout with 1 minute to go. Before the faceoff in his zone, you could tell by his actions that he was confident of his shutout. Seconds later, our defenseman took a burner from the point: boom! score. 4-1. It ain't a shutout till the fat whistle blows... Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin C. Scott" Subject: shutout Date: 05 Aug 1996 10:04:41 -0400 Congrats on the shutout! The last game I played on ice (January 8, 1996) I had a shutout (shhhh! don't say anything!) going into the last 4 minutes of the game. Then came a shot that appeared out of nowhere from between my defensemans legs. Didn't get it. That morning (it was about 1am by the time our game was over) I drove straight from the game in Denver, Colorado to my home in Montana to pick up a U-Haul and move to Georgia. I had 9 long hours of driving to think about that goal and wonder when would be my next chance to step on the ice. So far no ice here in Columbus, GA - and I'm playing inline for now. No real hopes for a shutout in the near future, but I know I'll relish the day when it comes. Again - congrats!! ******************************** Kevin C. Scott Omnisphere Producer Coca-Cola Space Science Center ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: miked@ihs.com (Mike Dockery) Subject: Mentally ready Date: 05 Aug 1996 08:44:31 MDT Mike Robinson wrote: >I was wondering...how much do you guys/gals think mental state plays in a >play-by-play basis? I know it's important to the overall flow of the game >(I even do some mental "exercises" I learned from rowing before a game.), >but I was wondering how much you can attribute any one goal to not being >mentally ready. Just a thought. ------------- It has to be play-by-play, with breaks coming only during faceoffs, if at all. This mental thing is so huge--sometimes I think to myself "boy, there guys are coming fast, hope they don't score on me" and next thing they're in my face. In other words, when I lapse in focusing, your subconscious takes over, and any little shreds of doubt bubble up and your mind/body cohesion is lost. THEN, do those "fluke" goals score. What rowing mental exercises do you do? Let me in on them!! Mike Dockery ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Evan Friedman" Subject: FWD>RE>I finally did it! Date: 05 Aug 1996 08:24:47 -0700 Mail*Link(r) SMTP FWD>RE>I finally did it! Congratulations, Adam! Michael Robinson asked: "I was wondering...how much do you guys/gals think mental state plays in a play-by-play basis? I know it's important to the overall flow of the game (I even do some mental "exercises" I learned from rowing before a game.), but I was wondering how much you can attribute any one goal to not being mentally ready. " I think mental state is critically important. I can almost guarantee giving up a goal if I'm not focused. Lack of focus leads to setting up a few inches off angle, not noticing the puckcarrier's teammates who are in my zone, and other problems. Also, when I start becoming mentally defensive, i.e. "I don't want to blow the shutout, lead, game, etc." I become tentative in my moves. I think as goaltenders we need to be able to make a decision and then do it! The decisions have to be almost insinctive because we rarely have time to think through a play. We can appear to be instinctive when our training and practice have given us the correct skills and we are concentrating on the game in front of us. You can't overestimate the value of concentration. Evan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Malcolm Preen Subject: Re: FWD>RE>I finally did it! Date: 05 Aug 1996 16:41:58 +0100 Evan Friedman wrote: > Michael Robinson asked: > >> "I was wondering...how much do you guys/gals think mental state plays >> in a play-by-play basis? I know it's important to the overall flow of >> the game (I even do some mental "exercises" I learned from rowing >> before a game.), but I was wondering how much you can attribute any >> one goal to not being mentally ready. " > > I think as goaltenders we need to be able to make a decision and then > do it! The decisions have to be almost insinctive because we rarely > have time to think th Reminds me of a quote I made when interviewed for a company magazine... "You have to be where you are going before you knew you had to be there" or something like that... Kind of sums it up in my book Malcolm -- Malcolm (summer '96 - 7-1-0 sav%89.35 GAA 3.72) Goaltending is 90% mental and the other 10% is in your head ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt Malicki" Subject: (Fwd) Kevlar???? Date: 05 Aug 1996 15:36:26 +0000 Forwarded message: Howdy: In order to stir up a little mail, I now propose this question: Does Kevlar really help anything, hockey wise. From what I understand of the material, it's very puncture resistant, but flexible. Would that really help stop a puck? Could someone really shoot a puck hard enough to make Kevlar the decieding factor? I mean, many of the greats of the game have used, and still use, a plain old forwards helmet. Has anyone on the list benefitted from having Kevlar? Are people who buy kevlar happy they did? Are people who didn't sorry they didn't? Later, Matt Malicki ********NEW MAIN EMAIL: malickim@tir.com********* Goalie1man@Aol.com Now With Pow-Wow: Malickim@tir.com #30 "My real search for answers began when I realized that there were none." Visit my web page, it's good for what ails ya': http://www.tir.com/~malickim "I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it" "Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change" "We've done so much with so little for so long, we can now do anything with nothing." "I try to take one day at a time, but lately several days have attacked me at once." "Goaltending is 90% mental, and the other 10% is in your head." "Shouldn't the psychic friends be the ones to call you?" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt Malicki" Subject: (Fwd) Re: I finally did it! Date: 05 Aug 1996 15:36:38 +0000 Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 13:48:31 +1000 > From: ADAM FORSYTH > Subject: I finally did it! > To: hockey-goalie@xmission.com > Hi All, > > Well it has taken a while, but last night I got my first SHUTOUT :) OK, so we > played the bottom team, and I only saw 13 shots for the entire game, but it > still goes down as a shutout :) That last period was the longest 20 minutes of > my life. I know you are not meant to think about the shutout, but that is not > real easy. > > See ya > > Adam Howdy: I don't seem to agree with this: in my 2 career shut-outs, I was constantly thinking about it: kept me from letting my guard down. As with many things, whatever floats your boat... Later, Matt Malicki ********NEW MAIN EMAIL: malickim@tir.com********* Goalie1man@Aol.com Now With Pow-Wow: Malickim@tir.com #30 "My real search for answers began when I realized that there were none." Visit my web page, it's good for what ails ya': http://www.tir.com/~malickim "I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it" "Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change" "We've done so much with so little for so long, we can now do anything with nothing." "I try to take one day at a time, but lately several days have attacked me at once." "Goaltending is 90% mental, and the other 10% is in your head." "Shouldn't the psychic friends be the ones to call you?" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DinkDaCat@aol.com Subject: Re: (Fwd) Kevlar???? Date: 05 Aug 1996 16:05:31 -0400 OK , for starters Kevlar can be very benificial in masks. I have had masks with and without Kevlar , and in my experience the Kevlar can reduce the risk of serious injury!! I have a Badger Elite mask that was given to me by a friend who works for Badger. Now the Badger had NO Kevlar in it and was VERY flimsy ( I could bend it so much , that the ear pieces could touch). I use this mask only for Roller hockey due to the fact that another friend of mine got seriously injured while wearing his Elite. He was trying out for his College team and a shot caught him in the mask. The shot cracked the mask on the side of the chin , and wound up breaking his jaw and the broken fiberglass pierced his throat. THis probablly wouldn't have happened if the mask had Kevlar , cause the Kevlar wouldn'y have allowed the mask to break as easily. Now I also have Van Velden and Calcoat maks that are Kevlar reinforced and I've never had a problem with either of them !!! I'm not the KEVLAR/Mask expert or anything , so I'm just talking from personal experience. You should wait and see what E CUBBERLY says , he is a mask maker and has made many NHL masks (I plan on getting one from him this season) and would know more about this than anyone!!! If he doesn't reply , email him !! I'm sure he'd be happy to answer any of your questions!! Good Luck!!! Dink!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Blake Wehlage Subject: Re: I finally did it! Date: 05 Aug 1996 16:11:09 -0400 At 12:18 AM 8/5/96 -0400, Scott Battram wrote: you know the ones where they bank it in off your defencemans >skate... or it misses the net, hits the boards, and comes back out only to >hit the goalie on their way back to the post... On the subject of wierd goals... I had a very weird goal against me on Sat. We were up 4-2 in the 3rd period, when the defenseman dribbled the puck in our zone. Passed to an open left wing who took a shot just past the right face-off circle. The other winger (who was really a defenseman) was in the creace, and the puck went of his butt, and in the upper-left part of the net.... It was won of the weirdest goals i have had in a long time. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Blake Wehlage =87=B1=BB R=EBV=F0L=FB=86=A1=D8=D1 B=F8+ =A9=D6mP@=F1=A5 =99 =AB=B1=87 Goto: http://members.iglou.com/jwilk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: (Fwd) Kevlar???? Date: 05 Aug 1996 16:50:58 -0400 (EDT) At 03:36 PM 05/08/96 +0000, you wrote: >Forwarded message: >From: Self >To: hockey-goalie@xmission.com >Subject: Kevlar???? >Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 01:10:29 > >Howdy: > > In order to stir up a little mail, I now propose this question: > > Does Kevlar really help anything, hockey wise. From what I >understand of the material, it's very puncture resistant, but >flexible. Would that really help stop a puck? Could someone really >shoot a puck hard enough to make Kevlar the decieding factor? I >mean, many of the greats of the game have used, and still use, a >plain old forwards helmet. > Has anyone on the list benefitted from having Kevlar? Are people >who buy kevlar happy they did? Are people who didn't sorry they >didn't? > >Later, > Hi Matt, The mask I use, the Profile PRO from Wright designs has Kevlar, and i have taken some pretty good shots off it, and all the times its help up... the only actual damage it has taken was when I dropped it on the floor in the dressing room... and a nick was made in the chin, but it was easily sanded out and you cant tell it was even there to begin with... I think Kevlar makes the mask lighter... and stronger for sure, as Dink said, some of those Badger masks you can practically bend together... same with that plastic Cooper thing, and some low end ITECH masks... ALl of the great masks, Harrison, Cubberley, Michaud and Wright all have it so the masks are rock solid... I have only had one Harrison and one Cubberley mask in my hands... the the first thing I noted about the two was how solid they were.... I think a good mask should have little give to it... As for protection, the old style helments seem to have more flat surfaces on them, and the puck isnt deflected, wheras a mask is contoured, and it will steer the puck off to the side, minumizing the force of impact... And also the ear protection is far superior on the goal mask as well... Just make sure you get a good quality mask thats all... I know the above four masks are out of the price range for the average goalie but there are some decent ones out there in the $300.00 - $400.00 U.S price range as well... But another thing you can consider is that I paid around $850.00 or so Canadian for my mask, and it will be going into its 3rd season and it still looks brand new... and has had no damage from shots whatsover... When I want a new look, all I have to do is pull all the foam out, wash out the inside of the mask after the foam and hardware is off, and send the mask away and get it painted, put in new replacement foam from ITECH, and through on a new cage and and hardware and elastic etc... and I have a brand new mask for whatever the cost of the paintjob was! Scott Battram "Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT" Woodstock, Ontario - CANADA "Manufacturers of Custom Goal Equipment" ***BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE:*** http://venus.execulink.com/~sbattram/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: miked@ihs.com (Mike Dockery) Subject: Re: (Fwd) Kevlar???? Date: 05 Aug 1996 14:51:53 MDT Exactly why *were* the Cooper helmet/cage combo masks, with there standard plastic design acceptable for all those years?! No waivers, no list of "acceptable", no worry about the cats-eye type cage of the Cooper HM30... Either way, I still love my Rage Kevlar mask! That political thing, or what? Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Correia Subject: Mentally ready Date: 05 Aug 1996 18:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Goalies, I believe mental preparation is the key to having a good game. If you show up to the rink not excited and prepared to play you might be better off staying at home. One of the things i do to stay prepared is show up ON TIME. This means, just time enough to get ready. Going to early to a game gets me nervous and distracted by other players talking away in the dressing room. Once i'm in the dressing room i know i only have just enough time to get ready so i keep to myself and concentrated on putting everything on right. When i'm finally dressed i usually have a minute or two to put my head down and think about what i have to do. Once im on the ice I focus on what I have to do right away, it's easier than picking up the pieces after a quick goal. And while the play is in the other end i convince myself that i am a wall and no one could ever score on me, and as the opposing team comes down im set. These are just a few things i do to keep mentally prepared. It sounds like allot of work but after awhile it just becomes to be routine. I hope this helps someone. Let me know! Thanks, Rick Correia Rick Correia Correia's Cresting Company Woodstock, Ontario rcorreia@venus.execulink.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Blake Wehlage Subject: Re: Mentally ready Date: 05 Aug 1996 18:09:13 -0400 At 08:44 AM 8/5/96 MDT, Mike Dockery wrote: >What rowing mental exercises do you do? Let me in on them!! >Mike Dockery On the subject of mental preparaness. Some of my teammates think I am a strage goaltender for doing this but before each game, there is a mirror in the locker room and I will stare into the mirror at myself for about 5 min. I feel it helps me get mentally prepaired for the task ahead. Just a thought. $0.02 <-mine ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PGP key avalible on request! Visit my IRC Internet Site: http://members.iglou.com/jwilk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMHollis@aol.com Subject: Toe Bridge & Laces Date: 05 Aug 1996 21:31:58 -0400 Following the advice of Scott B. and several others on this list, my son's new pads have bridges and laces instead of the straps and buckles. My question is: how do you attach the laces to the skate? Thanks, Mike Hollis ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt Malicki" Subject: Re: (Fwd) Kevlar???? Date: 05 Aug 1996 22:00:17 +0000 > Date: Mon, 5 Aug 96 14:51:53 MDT > To: hockey-goalie@xmission.com > From: miked@ihs.com (Mike Dockery) > Subject: Re: (Fwd) Kevlar???? > Exactly why *were* the Cooper helmet/cage combo masks, with there standard > plastic design acceptable for all those years?! No waivers, no list of > "acceptable", no worry about the cats-eye type cage of the Cooper HM30... > Either way, I still love my Rage Kevlar mask! > > That political thing, or what? > > Mike Howdy (again): I think that the old Cooper combos work just as well, protection wise, as the new stuff. More steel, for one, and the foam is a lot thicker. I've taken numerous pucks, and a few goal posts, off mine, and it still looks new. Unfortunately, it's becomming harder and harder to find the old SK2000 of Coopers, and I hate the looks of the new HH series. Hope my SK2000 holds out a while.... In my opinion, the new masks are more for looks than anything. It's hard to paint a SK2000, so you can't get a flashy design. Many goalies are just too woried about their appearance on the ice. Later, Matt Malicki ********NEW MAIN EMAIL: malickim@tir.com********* Goalie1man@Aol.com Now With Pow-Wow: Malickim@tir.com #30 "My real search for answers began when I realized that there were none." Visit my web page, it's good for what ails ya': http://www.tir.com/~malickim "I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it" "Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change" "We've done so much with so little for so long, we can now do anything with nothing." "I try to take one day at a time, but lately several days have attacked me at once." "Goaltending is 90% mental, and the other 10% is in your head." "Shouldn't the psychic friends be the ones to call you?" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ECUBBERLY@aol.com Subject: Re: I finally did it! Date: 06 Aug 1996 08:12:02 -0400 Congradulations Adam!!!!!!! I'm sure this is only the first in a long string of shutouts! Keep up the good work. Best Wishes, Eddie Cubberly Cubberly Masks, Inc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ECUBBERLY@aol.com Subject: Re: (Fwd) Kevlar???? Date: 06 Aug 1996 08:23:33 -0400 Dear Matt, Kevlar really does make the difference!.It is a major component in making my masks all of which have Kevlar to some degree.In fact I'm sure my masks would NOT have passed impact testing of a puck shot from an air cannon at 120 mph had it not been for Kevlar. This Dupont product has 5 - 10 times the strengh of steel ! For that same reason it is also very difficult to cut. Hope this information helps in any decision making in the future. Regards, Eddie Cubberly Cubberly Masks, Inc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ECUBBERLY@aol.com Subject: Re: (Fwd) Kevlar???? Date: 06 Aug 1996 08:49:08 -0400 Mike, I'm curious to know how much your Rage mask costs? And if it is Kevlar throughout the entire mask or simply reinforced with Kevlar? Thanks, Eddie ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: miked@ihs.com (Mike Dockery) Subject: Appearances Date: 06 Aug 1996 08:29:35 MDT >Matt Malicki wrote: In my opinion, the new masks are more for looks than anything. >It's hard to paint a SK2000, so you can't get a flashy design. Many >goalies are just too woried about their appearance on the ice. > I agree. There have been lots of goalies in recent years that are all color-coordinated; when finally approached what do they talk about? Hey, nice mask! Where'd you get those pads? My mask ......etc. etc. No talk about the POSITION much anymore. I hope the youngsters just starting out get fundamentals first, equipment shined second. Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Correia Subject: Re: Appearances Date: 06 Aug 1996 11:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Mike Dockery Wrote: I agree. There have been lots of goalies in recent years that are all color-coordinated; when finally approached what do they talk about? Hey, nice mask! Where'd you get those pads? My mask ......etc. etc. No talk about the POSITION much anymore. I hope the youngsters just starting out get fundamentals first, equipment shined second. Mike, I also agree. I tried a mask a couple of years ago, and although it looked good i couldn't see out of it very well not to mention i could hardly breath, I took it off before the warmup was over! I'll stick with my SK2000 with a Itech forwards cage, I can see everything with it and my breathing isn't impaired. And i also hope youngsters just starting out play for the love of the position and not for the cool, expensive equipment. Rick C Rick Correia Correia's Cresting Company Woodstock, Ontario rcorreia@venus.execulink.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt Malicki" Subject: Skates and Toronto Date: 06 Aug 1996 15:50:01 +0000 Howdy all: Just a couple of quick questions: I saw a company I had never heard of today when browsing skates: Ridell. Can anyone tell me about the company, and the 2 models I saw (the 600 and 700). Second, a good friend is coming to spend a week with me, and as part of the trip, we're going to Toronto. Does anyone know of any hockey stores I shouldn't miss while there? Thanks, Matt Malicki ********NEW MAIN EMAIL: malickim@tir.com********* Goalie1man@Aol.com Now With Pow-Wow: Malickim@tir.com #30 "My real search for answers began when I realized that there were none." Visit my web page, it's good for what ails ya': http://www.tir.com/~malickim "I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it" "Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change" "We've done so much with so little for so long, we can now do anything with nothing." "I try to take one day at a time, but lately several days have attacked me at once." "Goaltending is 90% mental, and the other 10% is in your head." "Shouldn't the psychic friends be the ones to call you?" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ADAM FORSYTH Subject: Do appearances make a difference? Date: 07 Aug 1996 09:11:56 +1000 Hi All, While a flashy set of gear will never replace good fundamentals, now that I have a full set of quality equipment, I feel it makes me a better player. Goaltending is a mental game, and if I feel that I look good, I feel better about myself, and play more confidently. In a recent survey of one goaltender (me!) it was found that since I had my mask painted, and got my Battram body armour (which makes me look much bigger than my old upper body pad) my average shots par game has dropped from around 30 to around 20. Last week a forward had a clean breakaway, and still passed the puck rather than shoot. Here in Australia, I am one of the few goalies that even has a mask, let alone a painted one, and I feel that it does intimidate the shooter. If they don't think they can score, they won't :) Anyway, my AUS$0.02 (US$0.014) See ya Adam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ECUBBERLY@aol.com Subject: Re: Do appearances make a difference? Date: 06 Aug 1996 20:13:33 -0400 Dear Adam, You missed your big chance. You could have been the first Aussie goalie to wear my mask. If you don't mind please mention my name there. Thanks, Regards, Eddie Cubberly Cubberly Masks, Inc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ADAM FORSYTH Subject: Screen shots Date: 07 Aug 1996 13:48:05 +1000 Hi All, We have been working really hard on screening drills in training. By the way Scott, that trick of putting your stick behind the guys skates and kicking...works best when the ref isn't watching :) My first ever penalty. Anyway, I was wondering, how do you stand up goaltenders deal with screen shots? I usually butterfly as soon as I see/hear/think the shot being released, figuring my gloves are quicker than my feet to react, and most goals are scored low. how does everyone else deal with them? See ya Adam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DinkDaCat@aol.com Subject: Re: Skates and Toronto Date: 07 Aug 1996 02:19:54 -0400 The Riedell's are good skates!!! I like them almost as much as I like my Bauer 3000's. They are extremely comfortable , and far better than the CCM's!!! When your in Toronto try and go to Source for Sports London. It's not in Toronto , but I heard it's not that far outside the city!!! They have a huge variety of equipment....even masks from Sweden!! Good luck!!! Dink!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: arnsat@magna.com.au Subject: Re: Do appearances make a difference? Date: 07 Aug 1996 16:55:43 +1000 At 08:13 PM 8/6/96 -0400, you wrote: >Dear Adam, > >You missed your big chance. You could have been the first Aussie goalie to >wear my mask. If you don't mind please mention my name there. >Thanks, Actually I think I have seen one of the Australian team goalies over here with one it was either one of yours or a VV....but hes got a canadian accent and he probably got it over there rather than got it sent so ...maybe!! I had a shocker of a game by my teams standards the other night......5-3.....our second loss in a row after an all season winning streak.......the problem was that the rink we played at didn't have hardly any markings....you could barely see the blue lines let alone any evidence of a crease. I didnt have a clue where i was......Ive been playing VERY standup lately and I know now angles just dont work when you dont have a clue where the net is!! Anyone else have this trouble????? seeya.....Paul ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Malcolm Preen Subject: Re: Do appearances make a difference? Date: 07 Aug 1996 08:23:09 +0100 ADAM FORSYTH wrote: > While a flashy set of gear will never replace good fundamentals, now that I > have a full set of quality equipment, I feel it makes me a better player. > Goaltending is a mental game, and if I feel that I look good, I feel better > about myself, and play more confidently. Agreed - when I started I got the full works, and when I was having trouble skating in the new kit I did feel a little foolish, but then I avoided playing games until I was ready. > In a recent survey of one goaltender (me!) it was found that since I had my > mask painted, and got my Battram body armour (which makes me look much bigger > than my old upper body pad) my average shots par game has dropped from around > 30 to around 20. Last week a forward had a clean breakaway, and still passed > the puck rather than shoot. First time I got my Battram armour I was likened to RoboCop... A few training sessions, and its moulded to my shape, but still feels huge. I've had team-mates complaining I'm coming out too far, when in reality I'm close to the crease, but I make myself look big. [Might help if they shot at the net instead of my body :-) ] > Here in Australia, I am one of the few goalies that even has a mask, let alone > a painted one, and I feel that it does intimidate the shooter. If they don't > think they can score, they won't :) When I first got my painted mask I found that most players shoot high - as if they are trying to hit the mask... Doesn't worry me as I'd rather they did as that means its going over.... > Anyway, my AUS$0.02 (US$0.014) so thats 1p over here :-) Malcolm -- Malcolm (summer '96 - 7-1-0 sav%89.35 GAA 3.72) Goaltending is 90% mental and the other 10% is in your head ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Malcolm Preen Subject: Re: Screen shots Date: 07 Aug 1996 08:30:07 +0100 ADAM FORSYTH wrote: > We have been working really hard on screening drills in training. By the way > Scott, that trick of putting your stick behind the guys skates and > kicking...works best when the ref isn't watching :) My first ever penalty. I got my first as a goalie on Saturday - playing a fun - scrimmage like game, and there were a few kids (under 14) playing - everyone was trying to get them to score, and my pride won't let ANYONE be given a goal, so the ref gave me a delay of game call for making the save - and made me sit it :-) > Anyway, I was wondering, how do you stand up goaltenders deal with screen > shots? I usually butterfly as soon as I see/hear/think the shot being > released, figuring my gloves are quicker than my feet to react, and most goals > are scored low. how does everyone else deal with them? I don't know how my "style" would be judged - if anything I'm more of a flopper than anything, but I try and stay up as long as possible. If its a screen though bodies though, I was always taught to butterfly as soon as you hear the shot, and get an eye on the puck as soon as possible. I think I posed a similar question a month or so back, when I was wondering if that was the right method. Guess it depends on your reactions, and how far out the shot is from - anything outside of the faceoff circles I'd avoid going straight down even in a screen situation. Malcolm -- Malcolm (summer '96 - 7-1-0 sav%89.35 GAA 3.72) Goaltending is 90% mental and the other 10% is in your head ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Foster Subject: Re: Screen shots Date: 07 Aug 1996 04:59:52 -0400 (EDT) At 01:48 PM 8/7/96 +1000, you wrote: >Hi All, > >We have been working really hard on screening drills in training. By the way >Scott, that trick of putting your stick behind the guys skates and >kicking...works best when the ref isn't watching :) My first ever penalty. :-) Everything works best when the ref isn't watching... >Anyway, I was wondering, how do you stand up goaltenders deal with screen >shots? I usually butterfly as soon as I see/hear/think the shot being >released, figuring my gloves are quicker than my feet to react, and most goals >are scored low. how does everyone else deal with them? Same as you. If I can't see the puck, I butterfly as soon as I think the shot's being taken. Through that much traffic, the puck's best chance at getting through is at ice level. -Mike Foster mfoster1@voyager.net Lord Wulfgar Silberbar proto-incipient Shire of Altenberg #88 goalie for the SPC Flyers Jessica Benson Virtual Adept extrordinaire What? Me? Schizophrenic? Am not! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Skates and Toronto Date: 07 Aug 1996 08:28:21 -0400 (EDT) At 02:19 AM 07/08/96 -0400, you wrote: > The Riedell's are good skates!!! I like them almost as much as I like >my Bauer 3000's. They are extremely comfortable , and far better than the >CCM's!!! > When your in Toronto try and go to Source for Sports London. It's not in >Toronto , but I heard it's not that far outside the city!!! They have a huge >variety of equipment....even masks from Sweden!! Good luck!!! > > > > > > > > > Dink!! > > > Its About 1.5 hours from Toronto... but they may as well stop there first! Since they will go by London on their way from Michigan! May as well stop in here too Matt, as, you will pass Woodstock as well! Scott Battram "Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT" Woodstock, Ontario - CANADA "Manufacturers of Custom Goal Equipment" ***BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE:*** http://venus.execulink.com/~sbattram/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt Malicki" Subject: Re: Skates and Toronto Date: 07 Aug 1996 11:45:30 +0000 > Its About 1.5 hours from Toronto... but they may as well stop there first! > Since they will go by London on their way from Michigan! > > May as well stop in here too Matt, as, you will pass Woodstock as well! > Howdy: Sounds like fun, Scott. If I can talk Hope into it (and since I'm driving, I shouldn't have any problems), I'd love to see where my pads were born. I'll have more info later this week. Later, Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RSandler@usa.pipeline.com (Ron Sandler) Subject: Camp Date: 07 Aug 1996 21:38:00 GMT Well, a brief report from the camp. I don't feel a bit embarassed to admit that I have discovered portions of my body that I never knew about since they have all started to ache! Anyway, we are all working hard and really enjoying it. Learning a lot both on and off the ice. We had over an hour at Vaughn's state of the art facility. Among the hightlights was the $250,000 CAD CAM setup they have. Also, Ned Goldsmith, Product Manager, (a guys who seems to know what every National Leaguer is now wearing and has ever worn) personally guided us around the facility and answered any and all questions. Among the questions, Vaughan Canada is only a branch of Vaughn USA. Vaughn Canada produces goods for sale in Canada and Eurpoe. Vaughn Canada and Vaughan USA trade employees for training and they evaluate the differences in techniques between the sewers before deciding which method is "apporved" for company use. But, beyond question they are the same company. Well, enough for now my tub awaits. I'm sure Rick Tucker will give a more detailed report later. -- Ron Sandler rsandler@detroit.freenet.org 1-2-0 2.67 GAA Spring ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RSandler@usa.pipeline.com (Ron Sandler) Subject: Camp Date: 08 Aug 1996 18:42:36 GMT To all those who DIDN'T make it to the Camp. Heres One persons opinion of the EVENT. R.Oulton: Not having played on ice or in realtime before,I found that by being here at the camp I learned ALOT of good stuff. I actually can Skate Forward and Backward, Shate the angles and even keep my balanace thru it all. Sharing a room with Rick T. and Dave S., I was included in everything that happened and felt like I was apreciated. Though the Jacuzzi din't work the first day, We all made good use of it. Dinner was interesting, but THen again, We play Hockey-Goalie. So what do you except? Though I was disappointed with the low Turn-out, I still had Fun. (wasn't that the main point? To have fun and to Learn?) Roger Oulton So Why weren't you there? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Camp Date: 08 Aug 1996 15:12:06 -0400 (EDT) At 06:42 PM 08/08/96 GMT, you wrote: >To all those who DIDN'T make it to the Camp. Heres One persons opinion of >the EVENT. > >R.Oulton: >Not having played on ice or in realtime before,I found that by being here >at the camp I learned ALOT of good stuff. I actually can Skate Forward and >Backward, Shate the angles and even keep my balanace thru it all. > >Sharing a room with Rick T. and Dave S., I was included in everything that >happened and felt like I was apreciated. Though the Jacuzzi din't work >the first day, We all made good use of it. Dinner was interesting, but >THen again, We play Hockey-Goalie. So what do you except? > >Though I was disappointed with the low Turn-out, I still had Fun. (wasn't >that the main point? To have fun and to Learn?) > >Roger Oulton > > > >So Why weren't you there? > > > Is the camp done??? or are there still 2 more days left, sounds like you guys all learned alot and had a good time!! I will do my best to make an appearance at next years event in Montreal! unless I am super busy then too!!! Scott Battram "Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT" Woodstock, Ontario - CANADA "Manufacturers of Custom Goal Equipment" ***BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE:*** http://venus.execulink.com/~sbattram/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paumic@ids.net (Lambert) Subject: Re: About the list Date: 08 Aug 1996 22:04:42 -0400 >At 04:18 AM 03/06/96 -0700, you wrote: >>Shawn wrote: >>> >>>Why do I keep getting an undeliverable mail message whenever I send a >>>message to the list?? >>> >>I get the same message, yet my mail gets posted. Does everyone get the >>same message? Gibby, you have Netcom also, do you get it too? >> >>Donna >>Solar Bear #30 >> >> >> > >I get it too!!! > >Scott Battram >"Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT" >Woodstock, Ontario - CANADA >"Manufacturers of Custom Goal Equipment" > >***BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE:*** >http://venus.execulink.com/~sbattram/index.htm That is because someone left there acount without desubscribing. The listmaster should desubscribe him. The mail you send still gets through. Chris the Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DinkDaCat@aol.com Subject: Re: Camp Date: 09 Aug 1996 03:44:37 -0400 What's up with next year's camp?? Is it already planned for Montreal?? If so , are any other events going to be held , like maybe going to the equipment expo or something?? That would be AWESOME!!! Hopefully I'll be able to go , I'd love to see Montreal!! Dink!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RSandler@usa.pipeline.com (Ron Sandler) Subject: Rethinking the NetMinders Camp Concept Date: 09 Aug 1996 18:11:25 GMT First off, Roger will post a more thoughtful camp discussion idea in a week or so, but I thought it time to post a couple of my thoughts. The response of the Net Community was pretty disappointing. It may well be preferable to hook up with an existing camp at a fixed location. I would not want the Montreal camp to have 25 attendees in December and 5 in August. An established location, and an established school would provide a stable base of attendees and not have to rely upon list members. -- Ron Sandler rsandler@detroit.freenet.org 1-2-0 2.67 GAA Spring ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Roger Oulton" Subject: Camp Organizational Details/ Discussion Date: 10 Aug 1996 22:32:09 -0500 Concepts and Ideas for Future NETminders Camps. As some of you may not know, the Hockey-Goalie list recently had its First and possibly last Camp. Though it was fun and enjoyed by all who were in attendence, Overall attendance was poor.(Almost disasterously so.) While I, myself would love to hold another camp, some things _have_ to be taken into serious consideration if we are going to be having another one.. After all was said and done, a discussion among those who stayed around for awhile after the barbe-que gained a somewhat somber tone. Due to poor attendence for, (what ever personal reasons,) Funds were limited and losses taken. (Not what was hoped.) Another problem was Location and overall costs. Some suggestions for future possibilities were as follows: Location: Fixed versus Floating Should we decide on One central City and allways hold future campsthere? or Continue as planned changing cities each year? Duration: 2/3 days versus full 5 day program. Should we do a condensed/intensive 2 or 3 day workout? or spread it out over 4/5 days like the first? Instruction: Hire our "own instructor" or join an existing Camp already being run? While the First provides a more customized program for those of us with specail needs or are "Over-the-Hill", it is rather more exspensive than using the facilities of an existing camp. Thus we would need the combined effort and commitment of 12-15 people. Time: 2nd wk in August (or similar) versus over the December break? Ice times are usually easier to get if we "hire" our own instructor and run our own camp during this time frame. However we do want something for everyone, So please speak up with your opionions and comments (especially, if your serious about attending any more camps being organized by NETminders International, (Hockey-Goalie List) Please Think about these problem areas and get back to me as quickly as possible. (If we are to have a camp next year, we need to start organizing it NOW, and I for one, Really want to have another Camp!) ((You hearing any of this Hotbranch?) ain't volunteering wonderfull? )) :) I'll post some prelimenary results soon, so we all know whats happening. (But I kneed responses from each of YOU, before i can do that.) Thank you to those who helped make this years camp such and enjoyable time and Thank you to all those who made me fell like part of the group. Lets ALL TRY to make next years camp even better! Roger Oulton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: miked@ihs.com (Mike Dockery) Subject: Ron: Vaughn Date: 12 Aug 1996 08:08:48 MDT To Ron Sandler: Does Vaughn have any style changes upcoming that they showed you? What innovations are in the works? Is the company aware of the Battrams and Millers out there? Did you get any catalogs? Do they have a "museum" of pro players older gear? Thanks Ron! Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin C. Scott" Subject: camp next year Date: 12 Aug 1996 11:09:39 -0400 Greetings, Some opinions & rationales regarding future camps for list members: First, let me whole-heartedly endorse the idea of having a get together of some sort (on a yearly basis) for list members. I think the "camp" format works well because 1) It is a semi-structured way to spend time. Often, seminars and conventions have either too little, or too much to do. 2) It gives us a chance for face-to-face communication. The Inet is great, but nothing is better than getting to know someone in first person. 3) Ice-time is most welcome by most all list-members. If you're a part of the hockey-goalie list, you probably like to spend time on the ice. Spending time on the ice with others who like to do the same is a sure-fire recipe for success. 4) Having an "instructor" available can be of value to young and old alike. Hopefully, we never stop learning... 5) As the Olympics demonstrate, the spirit of competition is a great one; getting together to share that spirit and participate in it is something good. Let me also say that the first time doing something is always the most difficult. Those that organized the first camp came up against all the pitfalls and troubles most likely to beset any future administrators. Let's try to be encouraged by the fact that the event actually took place, people participated and had fun - and congratulate those involved. Congrats! Floating/fixed: I strongly reccommend that the camp location change from year to year. We are an international organization made up of people from all over the world. Let's try to celebrate that as much as possible by having the camp in different locations each year. Advantages: Travel to different places, chance for more locals to particpate in each region Disadvantages: more organizational time required, some locations may be prohibitively expensive Duration: I reccommend a Thursday-Sunday sort of arrangement. This gives three afternoons/evenings of potential ice time, a Saturday stay to reduce airfares, a shortened time for those missing work and a combination of weekdays, weekends when special local events might take place. Second week in August is preferred (or something thereabouts) In less than a month, I'll know if I can submit a bid to host an upcomming camp in Atlanta or Columbus, GA. Until then, looking forward to Montreal in 1997? ******************************** Kevin C. Scott Omnisphere Producer Coca-Cola Space Science Center ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RSandler@usa.pipeline.com (Ron Sandler) Subject: Re: Ron: Vaughn Date: 12 Aug 1996 19:18:31 GMT On Aug 12, 1996 08:08:48, 'miked@ihs.com (Mike Dockery)' wrote: >To Ron Sandler: > >Does Vaughn have any style changes upcoming that they showed you? What >innovations are in the works? Nothing major. They plan so innovations on their chest and arm protectors but all were in boxes for shipping by the time we got there. Is the company aware of the Battrams and Millers >out there? Yes, and I would NEVER buy either. Vaughn stuff is made at a state of the art place and the design is top notch. And besides, ever see a NHLer wearing Battram's? Did you get any catalogs? Yes, a very nice one. We each got a copy. Do they have a "museum" of pro players >older gear? When gear comes back they either donate it to a charity or give it to a special customer to sell. > >Thanks Ron! > >Mike -- Ron Sandler rsandler@detroit.freenet.org 1-2-0 2.67 GAA Spring ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Ron: Vaughn Date: 12 Aug 1996 15:42:19 -0400 (EDT) At 07:18 PM 12/08/96 GMT, you wrote: >On Aug 12, 1996 08:08:48, 'miked@ihs.com (Mike Dockery)' wrote: > > >>To Ron Sandler: >> >>Does Vaughn have any style changes upcoming that they showed you? What >>innovations are in the works? > >Nothing major. They plan so innovations on their chest and arm protectors >but all were in boxes for shipping by the time we got there. > > Is the company aware of the Battrams and Millers >>out there? > >Yes, and I would NEVER buy either. Vaughn stuff is made at a state of the >art place and the design is top notch. And besides, ever see a NHLer >wearing Battram's? > Hey there Ron... maybe I will re-think donating that equipment for the camp next year.... If I had an extra 20000.00 Laying around, I am sure that I could buy an NHL goalie to wear our products... even though a few JR. A and ECHL and IHL goalies have used it for free... >Did you get any catalogs? > >Yes, a very nice one. We each got a copy. > >Do they have a "museum" of pro players >>older gear? > >When gear comes back they either donate it to a charity or give it to a >special customer to sell. > >> >>Thanks Ron! >> >>Mike >-- > >Ron Sandler >rsandler@detroit.freenet.org >1-2-0 2.67 GAA Spring > > > Scott Battram "Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT" Woodstock, Ontario - CANADA "Manufacturers of Custom Goal Equipment" ***BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE:*** http://venus.execulink.com/~sbattram/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RSandler@usa.pipeline.com (Ron Sandler) Subject: Re: Ron: Vaughn Date: 12 Aug 1996 23:26:47 GMT On Aug 12, 1996 15:42:19, 'Scott Battram ' wrote: My post was written in a hurry and was not well thought out. It was also NOT intended for public distribution, I did not notice the "cc" on the post. Scott you have my sincere apology. -- Ron Sandler rsandler@detroit.freenet.org 1-2-0 2.67 GAA Spring ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Ron: Vaughn Date: 12 Aug 1996 20:58:33 -0400 (EDT) At 11:26 PM 12/08/96 GMT, you wrote: >On Aug 12, 1996 15:42:19, 'Scott Battram ' >wrote: > >My post was written in a hurry and was not well thought out. It was also >NOT intended for public distribution, I did not notice the "cc" on the >post. Scott you have my sincere apology. >-- > >Ron Sandler >rsandler@detroit.freenet.org >1-2-0 2.67 GAA Spring > > Dont worry about it... it wasnt something I enjoyed reading... not some much the fact that you would NEVER buy our products, thats your choice, although I am sure if you saw a BATTRAM product in the flesh you may have second thoughts, but the comment that made me the maddest was the bit about the NHL goalies... maybe I should clear up a few things about that: 1. Never at anytime have I ever approached an NHL goalie about using any of our products. 2. The NHL requires a fee of between 12,000 - 15,000 US to have the name visible on the product, money that I would much rather put back into my business in the form of new machines. 3. Many NHL goalies sign contracts with large companies, do you seriously think POTVIN and ROY wear KOHO because they love it? I am sure Patrick would switch back to Lefevbre in a second if they brought him the same offer as KOHO is giving him. (This is evident in ITECHS domination of the goal mask business) Greg Harrison and Eddie Cubberley make masks as good as any ITECH, but then again, since there bank accounts dont carry 7 digits.. they simply couldnt afford to pay a goalie...although, several guys still stick with them because of their fine quality. And since the masks generally do not have the makers name visible I doubt if they pay the fee... But Eddie gets around this I assume with his C in the ears... most people would not know what it was... but many of us in the know do. 4.Just because NHL people dont wear a companies equipment, has nothing to do with the quality of anyones product. There are a few small companies out there that do great work... I like to think of myself as one. At the same time there are a couple of large companies who build low end stuff for certain stores, and depending on what store it goes to, determines the name that goes on the product. 5.I dont think Vaughn had any NHL goalies wearing his stuff when he was just finishing his 3rd year in business, and if he did I dont think he was paying them either. 6.I never had the benefit of working for any company, and I taught myself the entire business... heck started on a beat up old sewing machine I picked up for 200.00, now, I own the same machines as you would have seen in Lake Orion MI. Just that I dont have as many. 7.And no I dont have a Gerber cutting system, and I think they were being very liberal with their figure of $250,000 as I heard from a close friend of Mikes, who just also happens to be the Owner of Glenn Miller Equipment and who at one time ran MILLER in Surrey B.C. that that machine was closer to 1 million... although I am sure thats something they dont want everyone to know... 8.Yes, I am a small company... and because of that, it gives us much more flexibility to do custom stuff, for the average JOE Goalie.... 9.I am quite happy to stay small and make a very good living at it. 10.Large companies have to have state of the art equipment... as they need to produce stuff as fast as possible, in order to make money, I dont have 30 people to pay, I am not in a 250,000 sq ft building, I dont have a ton of equipment to pay for, therefor I have no stress, or no demand to produce X number of sets per week just to make the payroll....thats why they have state of the art equipment, not because it does anything better, but just faster...thats all. I am a person who gives his word, and will deliver... and even though, one member wont appreciate my donation of a set of goal pads, since it was not made at a state of the art facility... I am sure someone out there will. Therefor because I said I will donate, I will deliver... I couldnt this year just because I was and still am too busy to fit it into my schedule. And who knows... maybe when you see the product up close and in person, you wont be so quick to pass judgement on us little guys... Thanks for the apology...I never have been one who likes to dissapoint anyone... Scott Battram "Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT" Woodstock, Ontario - CANADA "Manufacturers of Custom Goal Equipment" ***BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE:*** http://venus.execulink.com/~sbattram/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ECUBBERLY@aol.com Subject: Re: Ron: Vaughn Date: 12 Aug 1996 21:46:49 -0400 I can appreciate the letter from Scott Battram. Much of what was said was more than true. The smaller companies like myself have lost some top quality clients because of the almighty buck. I do not pay any goaltender to wear my masks nor do I ever intend to. The cost of placing your name on the equipment is $15,000 per piece of equipment per year. Hopefully I can continue to keep my clients because they like my product and service. Regards, Eddie Cubberly Cubberly Masks, Inc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barry Russell Subject: re: Re: Ron: Vaughn Date: 12 Aug 1996 23:11 EST Excellent reply Scott. I believe you are quite right. Koho pays Roy ALOT of money to wear their stuff, although my personal opinion is that the new stuff is worth a look -- it does not feel mass-produced like the old stuff. I think the use of products by NHL goalies is very misleading -- you're right about LeFebvre (excellent stuff but doesn't pay NHL advertising fees). And, to the rest of the folks on the list, how about a bit of courtesy. The last time I checked, Vaughn made overpriced crap that fell apart. If you don't believe me, I can show you a cracked wrist and several deep and permanent welts on my arms. The stuff stinks -- talk about mass-produced. Scott Battram Wrote: | | At 11:26 PM 12/08/96 GMT, you wrote: | >On Aug 12, 1996 15:42:19, 'Scott Battram | ' | >wrote: | > | >My post was written in a hurry and was not well thought | out. It was also | >NOT intended for public distribution, I did not notice | the "cc" on the | >post. Scott you have my sincere apology. | >-- | > | >Ron Sandler | >rsandler@detroit.freenet.org | >1-2-0 2.67 GAA Spring | > | > | | Dont worry about it... it wasnt something I enjoyed | reading... not some much | the fact that you would NEVER buy our products, thats your | choice, although | I am sure if you saw a BATTRAM product in the flesh you | may have second | thoughts, but the comment that made me the maddest was the | bit about the NHL | goalies... maybe I should clear up a few things about | that: | | 1. Never at anytime have I ever approached an NHL | goalie about using | any of our products. | 2. The NHL requires a fee of between 12,000 - | 15,000 US to have the | name visible on the product, money that I would much | rather put back into my | business in the form of new machines. | 3. Many NHL goalies sign contracts with large | companies, do you | seriously think POTVIN and ROY wear KOHO because they love | it? I am sure | Patrick would switch back to Lefevbre in a second if they | brought him the | same offer as KOHO is giving him. (This is evident in | ITECHS domination of | the goal mask business) Greg Harrison and Eddie Cubberley | make masks as good | as any ITECH, but then again, since there bank accounts | dont carry 7 | digits.. they simply couldnt afford to pay a | goalie...although, several guys | still stick with them because of their fine quality. And | since the masks | generally do not have the makers name visible I doubt if | they pay the fee... | But Eddie gets around this I assume with his C in the | ears... most people | would not know what it was... but many of us in the know | do. | 4.Just because NHL people dont wear a companies | equipment, has | nothing to do with the quality of anyones product. There | are a few small | companies out there that do great work... I like to think | of myself as one. | At the same time there are a couple of large companies who | build low end | stuff for certain stores, and depending on what store it | goes to, determines | the name that goes on the product. | 5.I dont think Vaughn had any NHL goalies wearing | his stuff when he | was just finishing his 3rd year in business, and if he did | I dont think he | was paying them either. | 6.I never had the benefit of working for any | company, and I taught | myself the entire business... heck started on a beat up | old sewing machine I | picked up for 200.00, now, I own the same machines as you | would have seen in | Lake Orion MI. Just that I dont have as many. | 7.And no I dont have a Gerber cutting system, and | I think they were | being very liberal with their figure of $250,000 as I | heard from a close | friend of Mikes, who just also happens to be the Owner of | Glenn Miller | Equipment and who at one time ran MILLER in Surrey B.C. | that that machine | was closer to 1 million... although I am sure thats | something they dont | want everyone to know... | 8.Yes, I am a small company... and because of | that, it gives us much | more flexibility to do custom stuff, for the average JOE | Goalie.... | 9.I am quite happy to stay small and make a very | good living at it. | 10.Large companies have to have state of the art | equipment... as they | need to produce stuff as fast as possible, in order to | make money, I dont | have 30 people to pay, I am not in a 250,000 sq ft | building, I dont have a | ton of equipment to pay for, therefor I have no stress, or | no demand to | produce X number of sets per week just to make the | payroll....thats why they | have state of the art equipment, not because it does | anything better, but | just faster...thats all. | | I am a person who gives his word, and will deliver... and | even though, one | member wont appreciate my donation of a set of goal pads, | since it was not | made at a state of the art facility... I am sure someone | out there will. | Therefor because I said I will donate, I will deliver... I | couldnt this year | just because I was and still am too busy to fit it into my | schedule. And who | knows... maybe when you see the product up close and in | person, you wont be | so quick to pass judgement on us little guys... | | Thanks for the apology...I never have been one who likes | to dissapoint anyone... | Scott Battram | "Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT" | Woodstock, Ontario - CANADA | "Manufacturers of Custom Goal Equipment" | | ***BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE:*** | http://venus.execulink.com/~sbattram/index.htm | | Regards, RussellB@Finance@HG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Randy Johnston Subject: Canada Cup aka "World Cup of Hockey" Date: 12 Aug 1996 23:17:01 -0700 Hi: To all those interested, Team Canada will be doing thier training camp in my little home town of Whistler, BC. They will be here from Thursday the 15th to Sunday the 18th. If anyone has any questions that I can answer or would like some information I would be glad to see what I can do. I WILL NOT have anything to do with autographs, "I don't believe in them" so I refuse to pester people for them. Let me know what you want ie. programs etc. and I will try. /\ / \/\ "If I have seen further Randy Johnston /\ /\ / \ than other men, It is Whistler /\/\ /\/ \/\ /\ because I have stood British Columbia / \ / \ / \/ \ on the shoulders of Canada. / \/ \ \ giants" http://www.whistler.net/home/randy/hockey.htm \ Sir Issac Newton / \ \ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DinkDaCat@aol.com Subject: Vaughn Date: 13 Aug 1996 08:38:24 -0400 I am not to fond of the Vaughn pads I own , but I do have to say they are made very well!! In fact , I've never seen nor heard of any problem with any Vaughn equipment!! The closest thing I've heard is that people don't like the design , but Never until Russel's comments have I heard a problem with the craftsmanship!! I have used Vaughn blockers for over 6 yrs now and will probablly never leave them. They have to be the most comfortable and well designed blockers ever made in my mind. I am truly sorry to hear that someone was injured by any product like that , but we all know the dangers we face when going into combat. And if any of you need to be reminded , just read that little sticker on your equipment!!! Dink!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Vaughn Date: 13 Aug 1996 10:26:43 -0400 (EDT) At 08:38 AM 13/08/96 -0400, you wrote: >I am not to fond of the Vaughn pads I own , but I do have to say they are >made very well!! In fact , I've never seen nor heard of any problem with any >Vaughn equipment!! The closest thing I've heard is that people don't like the >design , but Never until Russel's comments have I heard a problem with the >craftsmanship!! I have used Vaughn blockers for over 6 yrs now and will >probablly never leave them. They have to be the most comfortable and well >designed blockers ever made in my mind. I am truly sorry to hear that someone >was injured by any product like that , but we all know the dangers we face >when going into combat. And if any of you need to be reminded , just read >that little sticker on your equipment!!! > > > > > > Dink!! > > > I have to Agree with Dink, I have always loved Vaughns product, and have a ton of respect for them... thus is why our blockers and catchers are similar in design to the VAUGHNS... of course we are now using more cordura on the blocker, where we once used 400 D and have changed the blocker board, by adding a bottom layer of ETHER foam on the entire bottom surface to add a layer of cushioning so the glove feels nice on your hand... as well as having the "same person" who manufactures all the palms for VAUGHN, (he works out of his basement) do our palms as well... you pay a bit more, but get a nicer product... we add some foam in the palm area, and I have Ralphie put some vent holes in the gusset to let the moisture out... Its too bad Russel got hurt though... Possibly, it may have happened with any piece of equipment...who knows... could have been one that just hit in the right spot... Scott Battram "Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT" Woodstock, Ontario - CANADA "Manufacturers of Custom Goal Equipment" ***BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE:*** http://venus.execulink.com/~sbattram/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Correia Subject: Re: Ron: Vaughn Date: 13 Aug 1996 10:30:26 -0400 (EDT) At 09:46 PM 8/12/96 -0400, you wrote: >I can appreciate the letter from Scott Battram. Much of what was said was >more than true. The smaller companies like myself have lost some top quality >clients because of the almighty buck. I do not pay any goaltender to wear my >masks nor do I ever intend to. The cost of placing your name on the equipment >is $15,000 per piece of equipment per year. > >Hopefully I can continue to keep my clients because they like my product and >service. > >Regards, >Eddie Cubberly >Cubberly Masks, Inc > > > Scott's letter was done very well. And it brings up a sad point, that SOME pros today do give up quality and comfort for the might dollar. And tack on this League fee that i'm just hearing of, and the cost seem to be unbelievable. However Scott you should not get discouraged i have seen your product grow since the beginning, and you have come along way since then. You make some of the best quality equipments i have ever seen and i'm sure Ron would agree if he were to see your products now. I can see your product in the pros within the next 4-5 years if you so desire. Rick. Rick Correia Correia's Cresting Company Woodstock, Ontario rcorreia@venus.execulink.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: miked@ihs.com (Mike Dockery) Subject: Breakaways Date: 13 Aug 1996 11:12:32 MDT Last week in a game I got burned on 3 breakaways! Very rare for me. But the one thing I *didn't* do was Rule No. 1: Don't make the first move. Each time I went for a pokecheck, and the guy walked around. So, I need a refresher on breakaways. Here's my list of "how-to" and any further information or tips would be helpful to us all: 1. Move out to top of crease. 2. Time backing in with player's speed; he slows down, you slow down, etc. 3. Compact unit 4. Wait for him to make first move. Sounds simple, doesn't it? Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark J. Sonnier" Subject: Re: Breakaways Date: 13 Aug 1996 09:45:49 -0800 At 11:12 AM 8/13/96 -0600, Mike Dockery wrote regarding breakaways: >2. Time backing in with player's speed; he slows down, you slow down, etc. I used to believe this method works best but lately I've had a slight change of perspective. I volunteered to play goal for a friend who put on an extended summer class/camp for forwards and defensemen. So, I got to listen in on what he told them to do regarding breakaways, from a scoring perspective. Two things stuck with me. First, try to come out as far as you can, as quick as you can. (Here's why people always say a goalie's got to be the best skater on the team...) This will force a shooter to commit earlier, giving him/her less time to pick a hole to shoot at. Second, don't skate back EXACTLY as fast as the incoming skater. Move either slightly slower or faster, for the same reason - it's NOT what the shooter expects. Often times, the shooter is very surprised to be in a breakaway situation. You shouldn't be. Use this to your advantage. [Of course,none of this will work too well if you're a beginner and Jeremy Roenick is coming at you at Warp 9. But I've found that if you're skating with people of similar abilities to yourself that you will baffle the shooter more times than not.] Case in point: in a shootout drill for this particular camp, I stopped all but two of the twenty-five or so shooters the first pass. I stopped the two lucky birds on their second attempt. Add in poke checks, two pad slide, etc. and you've got a formidable breakaway defense. Confidence is the key. Work on your skating and watch your confidence build. And listen for those shouts of STONED! from the crowd... Mark Sonnier Anchorage, Alaska ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: miked@ihs.com (Mike Dockery) Subject: Re: Breakaways Date: 13 Aug 1996 13:32:44 MDT Mark S. wrote: >. First, try to come out as far as you can, as >quick as you can. (Here's why people always say a goalie's got to be the >best skater on the team...) This will force a shooter to commit earlier, >giving him/her less time to pick a hole to shoot at. I like it! Never heard that before, but logically speaking that sounds excellent. It's true that most breakaways are a "mad dash" and they barely have time to gather the puck and lift their head. Tonight, will put it to use! Thanks. Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Roger Oulton" Subject: Camp opinions and stuff Date: 13 Aug 1996 15:38:07 -0500 I guess I should have put somekind of deadline on the request for information about Location, Duration, Time, and Camps. So here goes nothing into something?? If I can recieve everybodies by the end of August. (august 31,1997) that would be great. As this is basic information thats needed for the success of future camps it would be appreciated a prompt response. Thanks and Watch that Five Hole, (as the puck slides Thru! ;) Roger xcentric/Man-Dingo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "BURNS,JEREMY" Subject: BREAKAWAYS Date: 13 Aug 1996 03:03PM Mike Wrote: >Mark S. wrote: >>. First, try to come out as far as you can, as >>quick as you can. (Here's why people always say a goalie's got to be >>the >>best skater on the team...) This will force a shooter to commit >>earlier, >>giving him/her less time to pick a hole to shoot at. >I like it! Never heard that before, but logically speaking that sounds >excellent. It's >true that most breakaways are a "mad dash" and they barely have time to >gather the >puck and lift their head. Tonight, will put it to use! Indeed. Plus it goes a long way towards cutting down the shooter's angles, which helps alot. dr. jeremy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: miked@ihs.com (Mike Dockery) Subject: Re: Breakaways Date: 14 Aug 1996 07:10:01 MDT Mark, Last night the first breakaway early in the game I slightly hesistated on using that "move way out" technique; score. BUT, late in the third period as we were holding onto a 5-4 lead, on a 3-on-1 play with the centerman with the puck, I moved way out and *he* hesitated and shot a low, poor wrist shot -- big save! One good effect of this approach is CONFIDENCE. Thanks again! Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paumic@ids.net (Lambert) Subject: WebChat (EVERY NIGHT!) Date: 14 Aug 1996 01:23:53 -0400 This message is for all social goalies. The Crease was scheduled for a chat session every Saturday. Many of you told me it was not a good night. After talking with a few goalies we decided that we should chat more often. WebChat is now scheduled for 9:00 PM EST every day. There should be a few people there to start off the night. The main chat night is Saturday but there will be people there every night. The page is located at "http://www.ids.net/~paumic/TheCrease/" Chris "The REAL Cat" Lambert See ya there ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Branchaud Subject: Smiling maniacally... :) Date: 14 Aug 1996 12:47:01 -0400 (EDT) That flushing sound you all hear is my productivity going down the tubes. Why? Because UPS, aka the "Brown Santa Claus" (a Swartzell-ism [tm]), just dropped off a box containing a pair of Battram 3500 pads. :) I am at a loss for words on how to describe how amazing these pads are. (take note of the day that I admitted that!) Scott has done an amazing job for what I would guess is his most finicky customer to date (me). I will be using the pads for the first time tomorrow night and I will post a review of their performance on Friday. For now, I can say pretty safely that I have spent my money wisely. Scott accomodated my every last little request at a phenomenally affordable price. I seriously doubt any other custom equipment manufacturer would have been anywhere near as patient as Scott was with me. Thank you, Scott. I was very impressed with the JPGs you sent; now I am 100% amazed with your product. You made my very short visit to Ontario very worthwhile. Now if I could only get a tryout with Team Canada (I have the appropriate pads)... HotBranch! ___________________________________________________________________________ Paul Branchaud (paul@vedge.com) | Suzie: "When life gives you a lemon, Visual Edge Software, Ltd. | make lemonade." 3950 Cote Vertu, Suite 100 | Calvin: "I say, when life gives you a St-Laurent, Quebec H4R 1V4 | lemon, wing it right back and (514) 332-6430, ext 235 | add some lemons of your own." *The above opinions are rarely shared by sentient beings, my boss included* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Smiling maniacally... :) Date: 14 Aug 1996 13:26:03 -0400 (EDT) At 12:47 PM 14/08/96 -0400, you wrote: >That flushing sound you all hear is my productivity going down the tubes. >Why? Because UPS, aka the "Brown Santa Claus" (a Swartzell-ism [tm]), >just dropped off a box containing a pair of Battram 3500 pads. :) > >I am at a loss for words on how to describe how amazing these pads are. >(take note of the day that I admitted that!) Scott has done an amazing job >for what I would guess is his most finicky customer to date (me). I will >be using the pads for the first time tomorrow night and I will post a >review of their performance on Friday. For now, I can say pretty safely >that I have spent my money wisely. Scott accomodated my every last little >request at a phenomenally affordable price. I seriously doubt any other >custom equipment manufacturer would have been anywhere near as patient as >Scott was with me. > Glad to hear you liked the work... Actually... you were an easy customer... our toughest was a kid named Jon Sikemma (former Western Michigan Broncos goalie)... the 3500, is actually a pad that Jon requested me to supply him when he came back to play Jr here in Ontario... but I am glad he had me build it, as you can tell, its well... what can I say... a great pad... although, he didnt have the little extras that you asked for...(I think I will now keep those little extras standard on the 3500... both were good ideas...) well I better get back to work... if anyone wants the pics... I assume paul still has them... they were done with a digital camera... and are not as good as our website images... but they get the idea across...(anyone thinking of dropping $2000.00 Canadian for a digital camera...dont...) fortunately I play hockey with a guy who owns a camera shop so he let me take it to try for a few weeks... the quality is far from what a pro can do and then have the images put onto Photo CD...) I tried the Chinon ES-3000 with an additional 4 mb memory card... not too bad, but its more of an expensive toy! (plus my photography skill stinks too... hahah) >Thank you, Scott. I was very impressed with the JPGs you sent; now I am >100% amazed with your product. You made my very short visit to Ontario >very worthwhile. > >Now if I could only get a tryout with Team Canada (I have the appropriate >pads)... > Hey at least you will look good hahah! Well I better get back to work...its nuts around here...trying to get all my work done before my vacation next week... which will entail doing a hockey school!! what a great holiday!! hahah but I love it... >HotBranch! >___________________________________________________________________________ >Paul Branchaud (paul@vedge.com) | Suzie: "When life gives you a lemon, >Visual Edge Software, Ltd. | make lemonade." >3950 Cote Vertu, Suite 100 | Calvin: "I say, when life gives you a >St-Laurent, Quebec H4R 1V4 | lemon, wing it right back and >(514) 332-6430, ext 235 | add some lemons of your own." >*The above opinions are rarely shared by sentient beings, my boss included* > > > > Scott Battram "Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT" Woodstock, Ontario - CANADA "Manufacturers of Custom Goal Equipment" ***BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE:*** http://venus.execulink.com/~sbattram/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shawn Woods Subject: Re: Ron: Vaughn Date: 14 Aug 1996 15:46:26 -0500 >I believe you are quite right. Koho pays Roy ALOT of money to wear their >stuff, although my personal opinion is that the new stuff is worth a look -- >it does not feel mass-produced like the old stuff. I like the new line of KOHO pads that ROY uses. They are very light. But, I have to say, my BATTRAM pads are much better made, even though they may weigh a little more. >I think the use of products by NHL goalies is very misleading -- you're right >about LeFebvre (excellent stuff but doesn't pay NHL advertising fees). The NHL is just an advertising gimmick. They only pay big time goalies to wear their equipment for the advertising. What a better way to sell eqiupment than to have the best wear their products. I believe this is mostly aimed at younger kids to see their heros wear certain products and then the kids want to be like them and have the same equipment. >And, to the rest of the folks on the list, how about a bit of courtesy. The >last time I checked, Vaughn made overpriced crap that fell apart. If you >don't believe me, I can show you a cracked wrist and several deep and >permanent welts on my arms. >The stuff stinks -- talk about mass-produced. VAUGHN makes pretty well made equipment, but personally, I have never been a big fan of VAUGHN. I have always liked HEATON, and now BATTRAM pads. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: A note to you... Date: 14 Aug 1996 21:26:22 -0400 (EDT) >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 00:02:33 -0700 (PDT) >From: Brian Dierks >To: hockey-goalie@xmission.com >Subject: Scott Battram's Products > >Hi, > >What with all the commotion about Scott Battram's products, and producers >in general, I thought it appropriate to respond. > >Yes, I may be resonably new to hockey, and hockey equipment producers, >but I feel that I can spot good and bad aspects of a product. Depending >upon the problem or good point, it may not take much examination. > >I have been in touch with Scott for two reasons. First was to ask him >questions regarding equipment. He initially responded to my questions to >the listserv. Read that: He took the initiative and time to respond to my >questions, from someone that he hasn't the faintest idea about, other >than my occasional posts to this list. I have sent him numerous other >requests, and all have received an answer. I am going to purchase some >new gear, money now is the hangup. This gear is costly, and I am putting >off the purchase as long as possible. Scott's equipment is top on the >list for a couple of reasons. First, it is nice to be able to discuss >customization of a piece of gear with the manufacturer. I am a nobody, >especially in the realm of hockey. I do it because it is an enjoyable >form of recreation and exercise. Second, I have seen Scott's equipment >firsthand. That leads me to the second reason why I have been in touch >with Scott. A friend of mine, plays hockey at the same rink as I do, and >plays for the same reasons. He was looking for some new gear, and I >mentioned Scott Battram to him. He phoned Scott numerous times, and each >time Scott was patient and explained various aspects of how to pick types >of pads, etc. Scott even recommended some other gear that would work well >with his (pants). > >I compared the equipment that Jim purchased from Scott with what I was >using. It seemed that Scott took all of the things that were good with my >gear, and made other things better. One of these is the leg channel in >the pads, they are lined on Scott's, mine are not. The catch and block I >use fit me well, and are well built, Scott's are made of materials that >are as good or better than mine. Examples being the palm of the glove >(blocker) being constructed with thicker material. This also goes for top >of the line name brand equipment I have seen available -- Scott makes his >stuff to last. > >One other point, Scott Battram's gear has been seen by a couple of the >players for the local Major Junior hockey team. So it is getting out that >there is another supplier of quality equipment out there. > >I also deal with antique/classic automobiles. Some of the best parts and >services come from the little guy -- the one that answers the phone when >you call. Keep that in mind when you purchase your new gear... > >My $0.02 worth. Thanks for reading it. > > >Brian Dierks > > >"Winning only comes before Work in the Dictionary" -- Bob Loucks, head >coach Tri-City Americans > > > Scott Battram "Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT" Woodstock, Ontario - CANADA "Manufacturers of Custom Goal Equipment" ***BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE:*** http://venus.execulink.com/~sbattram/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Steinhart Subject: camp pucks Date: 14 Aug 1996 21:57:16 -0600 (MDT) Now that I'm back, I want to remind you all that I have NetMinders pucks in my possession. They have the Hockey North America red/white/blue logo on one side, and Kevin's NETminders logo on the other side. They are for sale at a not-too-horrendously-priced $5 per puck, plus shipping, which is $1.67 for 1st class mail (or airmail to Canada), or $1.33 for 3rd class mail (U.S. only). Outside of the U.S., contact me for shipping rates. Rates go down if you buy more than one puck at a time. The money is going towards next year's camp, and there's some talk of it defraying some expenses of this year's camp, so order early, order often! Dave P.S. To order, send ME email. Don't send to the list. Thanks for your support. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Ordonez Subject: Re: Breakaways Date: 15 Aug 1996 16:19:15 +0000 miked@ihs.com (Mike Dockery) wrote > Here's my list of "how-to" and any further >information or tips would be helpful to us all: > >1. Move out to top of crease. Actually, I was always taught to go to the the hash-marks (lines to the left and right of face off circles) and then start your decent from there. This gives them nothing to shoot at from far away - which means they HAVE to bear down on you (provided you have played a proper angle). >2. Time backing in with player's speed; he slows down, you slow down, etc. Two ot three strong backwards strides seems sufficient actually; provided that you start your strides when the shooter's about 20 feet or so from you (just about above the red line from the top of the circle). At this point, wait. Let your backward momentum take you towards the goal. >3. Compact unit Or whatever stance makes you feel comfortable; albeit a proper stance of course. >4. Wait for him to make first move. Exactly. Watch for the eyes too. Players who are not very experienced usually look down before they shoot. This gives you a chance to stop or poke check them before they realize what you've done. >Sounds simple, doesn't it? Always easier said/written than done >Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Robinson (BIO)" Subject: NHL equipment Date: 15 Aug 1996 15:13:40 -0400 (EDT) I've been thinking about that $15000 price tag per piece of equipment. Someone had implied/stated that per piece of equipment, the particular company must pay $15000. Does that mean that for every Vaughn glove that is worn, they must pay $15000? That would cost them tons of money each year. I doubt that's the procedure. I can see for each type of equipment (e.g. Blocker style A, style B and style C totals $45000) no matter how many people wear them, or maybe just each company pays $15000 to allow their name to be used all throughout the league with no limit on the number of products that can bear the name. Could someone please explain this? THANKS! Later Mike ____________________________________________________________________________ Michael P. Robinson Department of Biology - LIF 136 University of South Florida 4202 E Fowler Ave Tampa, FL 33612 813-974-2878; fax 813-974-3263 mrobinso@chuma.cas.usf.edu Korn, Bier, Schnaps und Wein und wir hoeren unsere Leber schrein. ____________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Branchaud Subject: New Battrams Date: 16 Aug 1996 18:11:41 -0400 (EDT) 30 hours after my new Battram 3500s arrived, I was strapping them on for their first game. Reaction to the pads was very swift: in the room people would stop and oogle the pads. One forward even called them "delicious". Scott went all the way to make these pads look fantastic. I chose the 1994 Team Canada Corey Hirsch pads: white with half a maple leaf on each shin, Scott even cut out red leather to put over the white straps to not deter from the graphic (very nice touch!). Anyhoo, to the pads... Putting them on was quite an experience, since I had never used the lace and toe bridge system before. The two heel straps also added to the stability and seriously limited pad sway. My initial reaction, while walking to the ice, was "wow, these are heavier than I expected--then again, I'd been used to 3.5lb Ferlands for 3.5 years, so 5.5lbs was a new feeling. I suspect that I won't notice the weight after a few games--already they're better than my 7.5lb DR LG48s from a few years ago. Skating took a bit of getting used to because the pads are a bit wider than I am used to, but I got the hang of it pretty quick. The pads feel very well stuffed, since I didn't feel as if my legs were anywhere near the ice when I was stretching (yet they don't look to be as thick as other pads). The true test came when I skated into the crease for warmup: first shot went to the middle of the right half of the maple leaf and fell about two feet in front of me. I saw that and thought "I'm gonna like these pads!" The longest rebound I gave out all night was about 20 feet, but I stopped the puck with a kicking motion, so I doubt it was the pad. Each shot to the pads was surreal: I felt eactly where on my leg the puck had hit, but it didn't hurt, just a very gentle thud and I knew (without looking) where the puck had landed. This is something I have not felt in a pad in almost 5 years. This is, to me, the sign of a VERY good goalie pad... Slides were a breeze and the pads seemed huge on the ice, so I was quite pleased with the fact that I was able to corral the few loose rebound into the pads and the puck would disappear. The best moment was when a forward was left alone at my right and I was already down; I stuck out my right pad and the poor fool only got the puck 13 inches off the ice. the puck hit the outer roll of the pad and went straight up in the air, allowing me to swat it away with my stick before it fell in behind me. highlight reel stuff! :) The pads were impressively water repellant and the nash clarino dried out very quickly (my knees sweat alot...). My single comment that isn't glowing was that the pads were exceptionally stiff, but that is natural with new pads. I suspect that they will loosen up after a few games and after I have crushed them into an acceptable S. ;) The stiffness of the pads had one advantage: the pads were always straight up and square to the puck (which is a good thing). Can't think of anything about these pads that I didn't like. The things that caught me off guard are mostly due to the fact that I am not used to these pads, but I suspect they will quickly become a second skin before the midway point of my winter season (something it took my Ferlands a full year to do). Scott, you did a hell of a job and I hope to frustrate and piss off many a forward in the upcoming season. I think these pads will also help improve my butterflying; I didn't test it too much last night, my knee was sore, but when I did drop, the pads were covering more net than I am used to. Anyone else wanting my opinion on these pads can feel free to email me with questions. Scott has another happy customer. :) HotBranch! ___________________________________________________________________________ Paul Branchaud (paul@vedge.com) | Suzie: "When life gives you a lemon, Visual Edge Software, Ltd. | make lemonade." 3950 Cote Vertu, Suite 100 | Calvin: "I say, when life gives you a St-Laurent, Quebec H4R 1V4 | lemon, wing it right back and (514) 332-6430, ext 235 | add some lemons of your own." *The above opinions are rarely shared by sentient beings, my boss included* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esv@psu.edu (Andy Coll) Subject: New or used pads Date: 16 Aug 1996 22:05:10 -0400 Greetings all, I'm in the market for some replacement leg pads, as my current set is ready to retire. I just started playing last year and I'm having a blast! I've been kicking myself for waiting till I was 26 to start playing. Anyway, I've got an old set of JB250s that I bought 2 years ago and they are pretty beat, plus they're a bit small for me. Now, here's the problem: someone in town is selling a pair of '94 Brian's Altra Air-pacs for $450 (US). I checked them out and they're in really good shape, much better than my old Browns. However, for the money he's asking, I could buy a brand new pair of DR's from Don Simmons, or another pair of pads from any number of others. My question to the general goalie public is this: is it better to spend my money on a very good set of second hand pads, and enjoy all the nice features of a pretty much top of the line pad? Or should I go for a low priced set of brand new pads? Our in-house league averages about 1-2 games per week, with the occasional pick up game here and there, so this will probably be the last set of pads I buy for a very long time. So what advice can you offer? New or used? Thanks in advance... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Correia Subject: Re: New or used pads Date: 18 Aug 1996 19:04:49 -0400 (EDT) At 10:05 PM 8/16/96 -0400, you wrote: >Greetings all, I'm in the market for some replacement leg pads, as my >current set is ready to retire. I just started playing last year and >I'm having a blast! I've been kicking myself for waiting till I was >26 to start playing. > >Anyway, I've got an old set of JB250s that I bought 2 years ago and they >are pretty beat, plus they're a bit small for me. Now, here's the problem: >someone in town is selling a pair of '94 Brian's Altra Air-pacs for >$450 (US). I checked them out and they're in really good shape, much >better than my old Browns. However, for the money he's asking, I could >buy a brand new pair of DR's from Don Simmons, or another pair of pads >from any number of others. > >My question to the general goalie public is this: is it better to spend >my money on a very good set of second hand pads, and enjoy all the nice >features of a pretty much top of the line pad? Or should I go for a low >priced set of brand new pads? > >Our in-house league averages about 1-2 games per week, with the occasional >pick up game here and there, so this will probably be the last set of pads >I buy for a very long time. > >So what advice can you offer? New or used? Thanks in advance... > > > Andy, Im am currently using '94 Brian's Altra Air-pacs, and i love them! They are a super pad! I paid close to 1,500 for mine CDN new, so your used price doesn't sound too bad. You will find that paying $450 for a new set will not be worth it in the end Quality and Comfort wise. Id ask to try the used ones out once or twice and see what you think. Rick. Rick Correia Correia's Cresting Company Woodstock, Ontario rcorreia@venus.execulink.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: miked@ihs.com (Mike Dockery) Subject: Re: New Battrams Date: 19 Aug 1996 07:09:12 MDT HotBranch! wrote: I think these pads will also help improve my butterflying; I didn't test it too much last night, my knee was sore, but when I did drop, the pads were covering more net than I am used to. -------- They've helped my butterfly technique; even now my style has evolved into a sort of Ed Belfour "squat" all because I'm very confident in my pads -- and my ability to cover the net! Mike BPGP-2000 owner. (wish I'd thought of neat graphics.. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Randy Johnston Subject: Pre Game Warm-ups Date: 19 Aug 1996 21:11:01 -0700 Hi Gang. I am wondering about pre game warm-ups. I usually come to our rink/gym about an hour and a half before ice time so that I can spend an hour on my warm-up and stretching. I normally spend the time doing some warmups and static stretching. However I have heard from some friends latley that this may be too long. they recommend that I do some movement work to elevate body temprature,ie skipping, then do a little static stretching, paying special attention to the groin and lower trunk, and finally doing some dynamic stretching and movement excersizes to get the blood flowing to the extremities and get them use to movement. The reasoning for this seems to be that long periods of static stretching does not properly prepare the muscles for strenuous, maximal movement activity. I must say that I can't disagree with this logic, so my aim is to find out what others do to physically prepare themselves for a game. As a final note I should say that neither of the guys that gave me this advice play goal or hockey. One is a sprinter and the other is a triathalete. I hope that this stirs up some discusion. /\ / \/\ "If I have seen further Randy Johnston /\ /\ / \ than other men, It is Whistler /\/\ /\/ \/\ /\ because I have stood British Columbia / \ / \ / \/ \ on the shoulders of Canada. / \/ \ \ giants" http://www.whistler.net/home/randy/hockey.htm \ Sir Issac Newton / \ \ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin C. Scott" Subject: stretching Date: 20 Aug 1996 08:24:02 -0400 I think you'll find stretching and pre-game warmup routines run the gambit from obsessive/compulsive -> superstitious -> in the crease only -> just a few minutes -> bend at the waist, "Ok, I'm ready". In other words, were all different. In general, no stretching routine need last more than 20-30 minutes at the very most. This advice comes from a collection of books and other materials from experts on stretching. While the old rule of short static stretches has been replaced with stretches lasting up to a minute for each muscle group - the whole routine shouldn't take more than a half-hour at most. Also, there are orders of operation that seem to be more effective than others. I would check out the following URL for an excellent and modern guide to stretching: http://www.cs.huji.ac.il/papers/rma/stretching_1.html **** As for myself, I usually arrive such that I have between 15 minutes available before gametime after dressing. I take my time getting dressed and then spend a few minutes off ice getting warmed up and then a few minutes on. These days I'm on roller blades instead of ice, but I still follow the same general pattern. ******************************** Kevin C. Scott Omnisphere Producer Coca-Cola Space Science Center ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: miked@ihs.com (Mike Dockery) Subject: Re: Pre Game Warm-ups Date: 20 Aug 1996 13:05:20 MDT The best for me has been to stretch at home before a game. Once at the arena, some simple limbering up of stretches on the ice to "feel" the equipment. A good skate 2-3 times around, with some stretching (leg drags, etc.) Face those shots! Stay back in the net to get the legs and arms moving. If time permits, I like to go "stick-less" for a round of shots. Basically, with only about 5-10 minutes alloted, you can't do a full aerobic routine. Drink lots of water or -aid drinks. Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steven Sanyal" Subject: Re: Pre Game Warm-ups Date: 21 Aug 1996 00:36:22 -0400 ---------- > From: Randy Johnston > To: hockey-goalie@xmission.com > Subject: Pre Game Warm-ups > Date: Tuesday, August 20, 1996 12:11 AM > > Hi Gang. > > I am wondering about pre game warm-ups. I usually come to our > rink/gym about an hour and a half before ice time so that I can spend an > hour on my warm-up and stretching. I normally spend the time doing some > warmups and static stretching. > > However I have heard from some friends latley that this may be too > long. they recommend that I do some movement work to elevate body > temprature,ie skipping, then do a little static stretching, paying special > attention to the groin and lower trunk, and finally doing some dynamic > stretching and movement excersizes to get the blood flowing to the > extremities and get them use to movement. > > The reasoning for this seems to be that long periods of static > stretching does not properly prepare the muscles for strenuous, maximal > movement activity. > > I must say that I can't disagree with this logic, so my aim is to > find out what others do to physically prepare themselves for a game. > > As a final note I should say that neither of the guys that gave me > this advice play goal or hockey. One is a sprinter and the other is a > triathalete. > > I hope that this stirs up some discusion. I have always put a lot of time into the pre game warmup. Sometimes too much, and I got tired. Lately though, I just skate around, get a few shots on net. The weird thing is that I have been playing my best hockey the past few weeks, and I am only skating once a week. I take only a few shots during the warmup, but I have been sharp and focused. I just make sure that I stretch though, so that I do not pull anytihng. I don't know if there are any right answers out there. Regards Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ewoods1@minet.gov.mb.ca (Shawn Woods) Subject: Re: New Battrams Date: 21 Aug 1996 23:09:35 -0500 >30 hours after my new Battram 3500s arrived, I was strapping them on for >their first game. Reaction to the pads was very swift: in the room people >would stop and oogle the pads. One forward even called them "delicious". >Scott went all the way to make these pads look fantastic. I chose the >1994 Team Canada Corey Hirsch pads: white with half a maple leaf on each >shin, Scott even cut out red leather to put over the white straps to not >deter from the graphic (very nice touch!). > Wow, what a cooincidence...I have had my BATTRAM pads since June, and I had Scott make the exact same design!! The only difference is I had my pads black and white instead of red. They sure do look sharp!! :-) >Anyhoo, to the pads... Putting them on was quite an experience, since I >had never used the lace and toe bridge system before. The two heel straps >also added to the stability and seriously limited pad sway. My initial >reaction, while walking to the ice, was "wow, these are heavier than I >expected--then again, I'd been used to 3.5lb Ferlands for 3.5 years, so >5.5lbs was a new feeling. I suspect that I won't notice the weight after a >few games--already they're better than my 7.5lb DR LG48s from a few years >ago. Skating took a bit of getting used to because the pads are a bit >wider than I am used to, but I got the hang of it pretty quick. > I ordered the toe strap, because I didn't want to switch to laces for personal reasons. I know the the exact feeling of getting used to heavier pads, I had a pair of Ferland 3500's for the past 4 years too. It takes a little getting used to, but once you do, they feel even better. I am so confident using my pads. >The pads feel very well stuffed, since I didn't feel as if my legs were >anywhere near the ice when I was stretching (yet they don't look to be as >thick as other pads). The true test came when I skated into the crease >for warmup: first shot went to the middle of the right half of the maple >leaf and fell about two feet in front of me. I saw that and thought "I'm >gonna like these pads!" The longest rebound I gave out all night was >about 20 feet, but I stopped the puck with a kicking motion, so I doubt >it was the pad. Each shot to the pads was surreal: I felt eactly where on >my leg the puck had hit, but it didn't hurt, just a very gentle thud and >I knew (without looking) where the puck had landed. This is something I >have not felt in a pad in almost 5 years. This is, to me, the sign of a >VERY good goalie pad... The rebound control is unreal. The first time I stopped a slapper in warm-up, my pads did the the exact same thing, the puck landed two feet in front of me. They just feel great. >Slides were a breeze and the pads seemed huge on the ice, so I was quite >pleased with the fact that I was able to corral the few loose rebound >into the pads and the puck would disappear. The best moment was when a >forward was left alone at my right and I was already down; I stuck out my >right pad and the poor fool only got the puck 13 inches off the ice. the >puck hit the outer roll of the pad and went straight up in the air, >allowing me to swat it away with my stick before it fell in behind me. >highlight reel stuff! :) The pads were impressively water repellant and >the nash clarino dried out very quickly (my knees sweat alot...). I made some unbelievable saves the first time I used my pads, and I don't know how they didn't go in. The puck hit the outer part of the pad and stayed out. >My single comment that isn't glowing was that the pads were exceptionally >stiff, but that is natural with new pads. I suspect that they will loosen >up after a few games and after I have crushed them into an acceptable S. >;) The stiffness of the pads had one advantage: the pads were always >straight up and square to the puck (which is a good thing). They get better with time. My pads are now starting to get worked in nicely. >Can't think of anything about these pads that I didn't like. The things >that caught me off guard are mostly due to the fact that I am not used to >these pads, but I suspect they will quickly become a second skin before >the midway point of my winter season (something it took my Ferlands a >full year to do). Scott, you did a hell of a job and I hope to frustrate >and piss off many a forward in the upcoming season. I think these pads >will also help improve my butterflying; I didn't test it too much last >night, my knee was sore, but when I did drop, the pads were covering more >net than I am used to. Congrats on both of us Scott, you have two VERY happy customers!!! :-) >Anyone else wanting my opinion on these pads can feel free to email me >with questions. Scott has another happy customer. :) Same goes for me. Boy, it's amazing how are stories are so much the same. And believe me, I didn'y make any of what I said up. I ordered my pads two months ago, and Paul has almost the exact same pads, and story. That shows how good the pads really are. Shawn Woods #33 Stonewall Rams, Winnipeg High School Hockey League ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Ordonez Subject: Facing an NHL shooter Date: 23 Aug 1996 21:56:07 +0000 (You might want to save this e-mail for when you have time to read it. It's a long, but interesting post to the list). Today (8/23/96), I went to Sky Rink to play open hockey. It's one of the few rinks in NYC (most of you in Canada have more rinks in towns of 2,000 people than we do in cities of 2,000,000 people). Well, I suit up and hit the ice along with 2 other goalies, when we decide to rotate in after 10 minute intervals. Then during warm-up I see this one guy NOT wearing a cage on his helmet (which is not allowed in this rink for insurance reasons). He takes a few shots on me...hard, but I thought nothing of it. Actually, I thought it was a friend of mine who I had'nt seen in a long time. Turns out that shooter was Luc Robitaille of the NY Rangers (mind you, I'm a die hard Islander fan). And NO - I am NOT making this up. A few of the Rangers have been known to come down to the rink during the off-season just to skate around and have little fun. Obviously, there was no one else even near his calibre on the ice. The only one even remotely close was my friend Mike who played junior ages ago, but he was'nt even close to being able to handle him. Luc was handliing the puck with ease. Everyone tried to stick check him (no body checking is allowed in open hockey - insurance reasons), but he still flied through as though he was untouched. Then, it was my turn to face him and the rest of the shooters who decided to wear white today. He made two shots, two went in. Plus a nice assist. There was no Defense to be found as everyone else seemed to just watch him handle the puck. Now, though I do understand that this guy was an NHL All-Star and has beaten many a better goalie than myself, I could'nt help but be a little upset at myself. I don't know why, but it kinda irked me. I've been playing since I was 8 years old, I played in college against a lot of guys who did play junior. Still... Waddya you folks think should have been the proper response in that situation. I don't know whether I should just be thankful that I had an opportunity to play against a Pro or just try to understnad why I'm feeling angry at myself. Mind you, if no one had told me that it was Luc Robitaille, I probably would'nt have cared (don't ask me why). John Ordonez P.S. - Yes Scott, I did have my BATTRAM's on. So you can honestly advertise that your pads have faced pro shooters (just in case you were wondering). :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Battram Subject: Re: Facing an NHL shooter Date: 23 Aug 1996 18:33:48 -0400 (EDT) At 09:56 PM 23/08/96 +0000, you wrote: >(You might want to save this e-mail for when you have time to read it. It's >a long, but interesting post to the list). > >Today (8/23/96), I went to Sky Rink to play open hockey. It's one of the >few rinks in NYC (most of you in Canada have more rinks in towns of 2,000 >people than we do in cities of 2,000,000 people). Well, I suit up and hit >the ice along with 2 other goalies, when we decide to rotate in after 10 >minute intervals. Then during warm-up I see this one guy NOT wearing a cage >on his helmet (which is not allowed in this rink for insurance reasons). He >takes a few shots on me...hard, but I thought nothing of it. Actually, I >thought it was a friend of mine who I had'nt seen in a long time. > >Turns out that shooter was Luc Robitaille of the NY Rangers (mind you, I'm a >die hard Islander fan). And NO - I am NOT making this up. A few of the >Rangers have been known to come down to the rink during the off-season just >to skate around and have little fun. Obviously, there was no one else even >near his calibre on the ice. The only one even remotely close was my friend >Mike who played junior ages ago, but he was'nt even close to being able to >handle him. > >Luc was handliing the puck with ease. Everyone tried to stick check him (no >body checking is allowed in open hockey - insurance reasons), but he still >flied through as though he was untouched. Then, it was my turn to face him >and the rest of the shooters who decided to wear white today. > >He made two shots, two went in. Plus a nice assist. There was no Defense >to be found as everyone else seemed to just watch him handle the puck. > >Now, though I do understand that this guy was an NHL All-Star and has beaten >many a better goalie than myself, I could'nt help but be a little upset at >myself. I don't know why, but it kinda irked me. I've been playing since I >was 8 years old, I played in college against a lot of guys who did play >junior. Still... > >Waddya you folks think should have been the proper response in that >situation. I don't know whether I should just be thankful that I had an >opportunity to play against a Pro or just try to understnad why I'm feeling >angry at myself. Mind you, if no one had told me that it was Luc >Robitaille, I probably would'nt have cared (don't ask me why). > >John Ordonez > >P.S. - Yes Scott, I did have my BATTRAM's on. So you can honestly advertise >that your pads have faced pro shooters (just in case you were wondering). :-) > > > > Nice story John... Actually my pads have faced tons of former nhl players and a couple current NHL'ers... now add Luc to the list... I didnt want to say anything a few weeks ago... but Peter McDuffe, an NHL veteran owns a set of BATTRAMS... heck... even got them on TV on the news highlights last season, at the War Memorial Auditorium in a charity game against the Toronto Maple Leafs Alumni team... And also here in Woodstock, when a local team played the Leafs Alumni game as well...(thats where I met Peter) Last season, while the strike was on... Mike Craig practiced with the local Junior C club (as Mike was a former player here in Woodstock, and is from a place 15 minutes away from Woodstock) But Luc, is by far the finest of the current players to shoot on BATTRAM pads...Dan O'Donahue is by far the toughest former NHL'er to shoot on Battrams, he plays against me on Sunday mornings... he spent a few years in Philly with the Broad Street Bullies in the 70's...nice guy... just dont make him mad! Scott Battram "Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT" Woodstock, Ontario - CANADA "Manufacturers of Custom Goal Equipment" ***BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE:*** http://venus.execulink.com/~sbattram/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gemini10@ix.netcom.com (goalieMOM) Subject: Anybody here?? Date: 24 Aug 1996 21:39:50 -0700 Hi goalies Has this list been real quiet? I haven't received a post in a long time? Hey, "Hot branch" you still out there? Nicky gets his mask painted next week Marcee goalieMOM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin C. Scott" Subject: informal poll Date: 25 Aug 1996 12:12:05 -0400 I'm wondering approximately how often you all end up on your rear end after a save. In other words, when you make a save, what percentage of the time to you loose some semblance of control and end up on your stomach or duff? (ice and inline please reply). My reason for asking is that I play opposite someone who seems to be constantly ending up on his rear with the puck stuck between his legs. The joke is that he's got some sort of vacuum or black hole in his rear... (alright, so it's not quite posting material). I on the other hand can't seem to make myself flop. Also, when should you place the paddle of your stick flat along the ice/floor. I've not been successful in using this technique to make a stop. Thanks, ******************************** Kevin C. Scott Omnisphere Producer Coca-Cola Space Science Center ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Steinhart Subject: Re: informal poll Date: 25 Aug 1996 10:43:42 -0600 (MDT) Reply to Kevin C. Scott: > > I'm wondering approximately how often you all end up on your rear end > after a save. In other words, when you make a save, what percentage > of the time to you loose some semblance of control and end up on your > stomach or duff? (ice and inline please reply). I almost never do, although if I'm out of position, or the puck is just floating around, either after a rebound or due to a dribbled shot, I'll often smother it and that can have me ending up on my stomach or duff. > My reason for asking is that I play opposite someone who seems to be > constantly ending up on his rear with the puck stuck between his legs. I've almost never seen and NHL goalie do that, but it does happen occasionally. > Also, when should you place the paddle of your stick flat along the > ice/floor. I've not been successful in using this technique to make a > stop. I've been unsuccessful too, but I've watched other goalies do it in several circumstances where it seems to work-- 1. Guy coming in from the wing, heading across the crease, and the goalie put the paddle out, perpendicular to the net, in front of him. Shooter either loses the puck at the paddle, or has to take it over the paddle, or shoots, which is generally unsuccessful cuz he's so close. 2. Man in front of the net, goalie down in the butterfly. 3. Goalie at post, man coming from behind the net or attempting to pass thru the crease. Putting your paddle down tells the shooter what your plan is, of course, so I wouldn't think it should be done too much. Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steven Sanyal" Subject: Re: informal poll Date: 25 Aug 1996 13:35:41 -0400 Hi Kevin, I don't think it's a great idea to end up on your rear after a save. It usually only happens if I make a save very awkwardly and fall backwards. The exception is when you want to stop the play. Let's say a guy shoots and you catch it. You can swing your arm around, make it look fancy and fall backwards to get the whistle. I think that the paddle down method has to be used carefully, unless you are a big goalie. I am a small goalie, and if I do it at the wrong time, there is a lot of room up top. Part of the key to this method is to make sure that your stick is as close to the puck as possible. If a guy is coming around the net, and I put the paddle down, I simultaneously slide it towards the puck. If the puck is more than a few feet away from you, it is dangerous, because the shooter can go around you, or put it up top while you are down. Steve steven.sanyal@utoronto.ca Home page: http://www.scar.utoronto.ca/~92sanyal/ ---------- > From: Kevin C. Scott > To: hockey-goalie@xmission.com > Subject: informal poll > Date: Sunday, August 25, 1996 12:12 PM > > I'm wondering approximately how often you all end up on your rear end > after a save. In other words, when you make a save, what percentage > of the time to you loose some semblance of control and end up on your > stomach or duff? (ice and inline please reply). > > My reason for asking is that I play opposite someone who seems to be > constantly ending up on his rear with the puck stuck between his legs. > The joke is that he's got some sort of vacuum or black hole in his > rear... (alright, so it's not quite posting material). I on the > other hand can't seem to make myself flop. > > Also, when should you place the paddle of your stick flat along the > ice/floor. I've not been successful in using this technique to make a > stop. > > Thanks, > > ******************************** > Kevin C. Scott > Omnisphere Producer > Coca-Cola Space Science Center ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NORRIS Douglas Todd Subject: Re: informal poll Date: 25 Aug 1996 14:12:41 -0600 (MDT) On Sun, 25 Aug 1996, Kevin C. Scott wrote: > I'm wondering approximately how often you all end up on your rear end > after a save. In other words, when you make a save, what percentage > of the time to you loose some semblance of control and end up on your > stomach or duff? (ice and inline please reply). Not very often; unless I start there before I make the save...I give up a lot of rebounds, and also spend a lot of effort diving towards the puck, but when I stay put for a save, I usually end up on my feet. > Also, when should you place the paddle of your stick flat along the > ice/floor. I've not been successful in using this technique to make a > stop. I usually do this when the puck is behind the net, and when my defensemen is going behind to get the attacker. He/she usually then has to think quick, and I can usually get the puck from them. If they have time to make an informed decision, the stick down doesn't usually work (for me, anyway)... Douglas Todd Norris (norrisdt@euclid.colorado.edu) "The Mad Kobold" Hockey Goaltender Home Page: http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~norrisdt/goalie.html "People will remember you better if you always wear the same outfit." -Talking Heads, _Stop Making Sense_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RSandler@usa.pipeline.com (Ron Sandler) Subject: Re: informal poll Date: 25 Aug 1996 20:28:16 GMT On Aug 25, 1996 10:43:42, 'Dave Steinhart ' wrote: >I've been unsuccessful too, but I've watched other goalies do it in several >circumstances where it seems to work-- > >1. Guy coming in from the wing, heading across the crease, and the goalie >put the paddle out, perpendicular to the net, in front of him. Shooter >either loses the puck at the paddle, or has to take it over the paddle, >or shoots, which is generally unsuccessful cuz he's so close. > >2. Man in front of the net, goalie down in the butterfly. > >3. Goalie at post, man coming from behind the net or attempting to pass >thru the crease. > >Putting your paddle down tells the shooter what your plan is, of course, >so I wouldn't think it should be done too much. I've seen others do this successfully but it always seems when I try it bad things happen. BTW, I think I've solved the problem with the puck hitting my glove and bouncing out. I played too much softball this summer and I think I've been trying to catch the puck like I was wearing a softball glove, eg. missing the "pocket." I'm concentrating on watching the puck into the glove and catching more like I did last winter. -- Ron Sandler rsandler@detroit.freenet.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DinkDaCat@aol.com Subject: Re: informal poll Date: 25 Aug 1996 16:46:42 -0400 Well heres my answers to your questions: 1) I do on occation end up on my butt a lot during games , mostly do to the fact that I do a lot of splits and pad stacks. It's funny though ....I almost never give up a goal when I am prone in that position. I have been vulnerable like that so many times , that I have become excellent at making saves in those positions. Most of the time I make it look like they have room all upper corner , then I just snag it with the glove. 2) I also use the paddle accross the surface technique a lot!! It works great for me !! you have to be careful when you use it though. It is most effective when the puck is in close or if you can use it in a situation to support your 5 hole so no sqeakers can trickle in. Hope they help, Dink!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Steinhart Subject: FS: Cooper Reactor 5 Knee Pads Date: 25 Aug 1996 15:46:37 -0600 (MDT) I'm getting new (used) pads which have integrated knee/thigh protectors, and I therfore have no need for the Cooper Reactor 5 knee pads I just bought in Detroit. I paid $45US at Perani's, and I'll take any reasonable offer and will ship UPS or U.S. Mail, your choice. Thanks, Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: goalieootttaA Subject: informal poll Date: 25 Aug 1996 16:09:30 -0700 (PDT) Hi Guys, If I understand the question.. falling back or forward after a save usually means you are slightly off balance (so my coach grilled into me). I tend to lean forward and if I'm not careful I fall that way esp on skate saves. I almost never fall backwards and am amazed how many guys can stop the puck by virtually sitting on it. I'd let that in for sure as soon as I lost sight of it. I use the paddle save, it's a percentage thing if you can't see the puck. (I never use it if I can see the puck, I move out a bit). That works well but I use it from a very tight standup position, I just crouch low and lay the paddle along the ice. That way I can be ready if the puck squirts out somewhere unexpectedly and I will still be on my feet. I can't speak for butterfly goalies because I play standup. Hope this helps. :) Lisa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Evan Friedman" Subject: FWD>informal poll Date: 26 Aug 1996 08:08:24 -0700 Mail*Link(r) SMTP FWD>informal poll ..... I'm wondering approximately how often you all end up on your rear end after a save. In other words, when you make a save, what percentage of the time to you loose some semblance of control and end up on your stomach or duff? ..... This one's been answered well by a lot of folks. I agree with all of you. If I end up on my rear or belly after a save and I didn't mean to, I was off balance when I made the save. ..... Also, when should you place the paddle of your stick flat along the ice/floor. I've not been successful in using this technique to make a stop. ..... I use the paddle down for sweep checks (infrequently) and when setting up for screen shots. I set up in a wide, low stance with my stick across the 5-hole. If I gain sight of the puck, I get back up into my normal stance. If I hear a shot (usually) or a teammate calls shot (not too often) I drop to a wide butterfly with the paddle still covering the 5-hole. If the shot makes it to me, I'm usually in position to make the save. If it doesn't, I get up quickly. If I can see the puck I face the shot from my normal stance. Several comments have describe using the paddle to stop wrap arounds and centering passes. I've tried that a few times and it doesn't work for me. I use the blade to try to stop centering passes from behind the net. If the wrap around attempt is close to me, I use a short poke check. The key thing in all the methods we use is to know what the risks are in the technique. What are you giving up by using it? I give up a part of the top of the net on screen shots. In my league it's a good percentage play, few of the screen shots make it to the net when they're high. The bodies in the screen block the puck. But the high ones have a good chance to score, if they get through. My two cents. Evan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Ordonez Subject: Black & Blue Date: 27 Aug 1996 15:41:50 +0000 Hey folks.... I was just wondering how many of you all get black & blue marks on your arms after playing. I wear a Vaughn 2000 Legacy (same as the new 2500 I guess) chest & arm pad which is suppose to be one of the best made, but I often get black & blue marks on my upper arm area (right between the bottom of the shoulder cap and the top of the hinged arm pads). Before I had a crappy Cupulo chest & arm pad (don't ask; and if you never heard of 'em, don't worry about it), but I NEVER got black and blue marks. The arms in that model was filled with foam with a piece of plastic sandwiched in the middle. The Vaughn seems to be just a piece of strong plastic in the arm area (kinds like the plastic used in football thigh pads). It seems to me the only way to eliviate this problem is to buy a padded jersey. But I was just wondering how often this happens to other people. John Ordonez ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: miked@ihs.com (Mike Dockery) Subject: Re: Black & Blue Date: 27 Aug 1996 10:28:45 MDT Just happened in the last game! Right where you described. The Brown JB200 chest/arm protector I have didn't protect me... Seems the puck always finds the areas where you're *not* covered. Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: solrbear@ix.netcom.com (SOLAR BEAR ) Subject: Re: Black & Blue Date: 27 Aug 1996 16:09:04 -0700 I have a custom made Vic/McM pro chest and arm and my husband has a Cooper Reactor 5. We still get nice(?) big bruises. Both are very well made and have lots of protection but then we also face college and minor pro players regularly. For us, I guess it's not so much the protection but not being completely squared to and ready for the shots. I've found that I get fewer bruises the better position I'm in, needless to say I still get quite a few. Donna & TJ Solar Bear #30 and Wolfman #1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steven Sanyal" Subject: Re: Black & Blue Date: 28 Aug 1996 10:20:06 -0400 Hmm.. well I never get bruises on the arms with my Eddy UB1500 at least. That is one of the few good points I have made about it so far! The only really poorly protected area is around the collarbone, which is where the neck of the protector is. I have had a few nasty bruises there, which look like hickies, but are not quite as pleasant. Regards Steve steven.sanyal@utoronto.ca ---------- > From: SOLAR BEAR > To: hockey-goalie@xmission.com > Subject: Re: Black & Blue > Date: Tuesday, August 27, 1996 7:09 PM > > I have a custom made Vic/McM pro chest and arm and my husband has a > Cooper Reactor 5. We still get nice(?) big bruises. Both are very > well made and have lots of protection but then we also face college and > minor pro players regularly. For us, I guess it's not so much the > protection but not being completely squared to and ready for the shots. > I've found that I get fewer bruises the better position I'm in, > needless to say I still get quite a few. > > Donna & TJ > Solar Bear #30 and Wolfman #1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Branchaud Subject: Re: Black & Blue Date: 28 Aug 1996 11:32:40 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, John Ordonez wrote: [snip] > It seems to me the only way to eliviate this problem is to buy a padded > jersey. But I was just wondering how often this happens to other people. I have a 7-year old Heaton 1090 body pad and I have taken my fair share of stingers. Usually, though, they are in the areas where the padding shifts slightly on impact to expose nice. fresh, unprotected flesh. ;) I don't often get many bruises on the biceps and when I do, it's because the guy really unloaded a cannon. The weirdest bruise/welt was a few weeks ago when a guy hit me on the inside of the elbow of my trapper (left). The padding stayed put, but the shot was enough to bruise my forearm (just below the elbow) through two layers of padding. It was one of those shots where your arm goes numb for a minute or two... Since my floating collarbone pads shift a bit too easily (tired elastic straps), I was considering getting a practice jersey. Has anyone ever used one? What brand? How much do they cost? Are they legal for use in a game? Do they hamper your movement in any way? Any advice on the subject will be gladly accepted. HotBranch! ___________________________________________________________________________ Paul Branchaud (paul@vedge.com) | Suzie: "When life gives you a lemon, Visual Edge Software, Ltd. | make lemonade." 3950 Cote Vertu, Suite 100 | Calvin: "I say, when life gives you a St-Laurent, Quebec H4R 1V4 | lemon, wing it right back and (514) 332-6430, ext 235 | add some lemons of your own." *The above opinions are rarely shared by sentient beings, my boss included* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Les Subject: Padded Jersey's Date: 28 Aug 1996 14:16:20 -0500 On the topic of padded jersey's...I hear a Cooper Eddie Balfour Practice Jersey for regular league play. It really protects both the shoulders and the upper arms very well. Also, it's wider shoulder's block more of the net. Only two problems that I'm aware of... 1. Some leagues and tournaments will not allow the jersey due to the wider shoulder pads. 2. It only comes in black, so this league no problem, my team wears black. But I'm starting a league next week and my team will be wearing blue...oh well. It's the best $35 bucks I ever spent. If your league will allow them, buy one! Les Rayburn, #27 "Graduate, Ron Hextall School of Goaltending, where our motto is "Fuck you buddy...stay outta my crease!" Les Rayburn New Machine:The Chris Whitley Website http://www.phpad.com/whitley ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DinkDaCat@aol.com Subject: Re: Black & Blue Date: 28 Aug 1996 16:32:44 -0400 Let's just put it this way ...I've been hit there sooo many times that my blood vessels there never go away!! You can actually see lil red streaks on my upper arms!! And I've always ysed Pro Chest Protectors i.e. Vaughn Pro and Heaton Pro ones!! DINK!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Strobridge Subject: Re: Black & Blue Date: 28 Aug 1996 17:10:23 +0600 At 11:32 AM 8/28/96 -0400, HotBranch![tm] wrote: >Since my floating collarbone pads shift a bit too easily (tired elastic >straps), I was considering getting a practice jersey. I have almost the exact same problem with the collarbone pad straps on my Vic chest protecter (not sure of the "model"). In fact, the very first shot I took while on the ice (I just started at the beginning of this summer) was a hard slapper from the left point. The arm pads were sewn on to the main pad when I first got it, but have since popped the threads and come unattached. Now they are attached nicely with shoelaces. Well, the shot came in and somehow (don't ask me how, 'cause I'm still trying to figure it out) got under the jersey, past the collarbone pad, under the shoulder cup and lodged itself on the corner of my shoulder (leaving a big gash that is now a nice scar). I spent the next 10 or 15 seconds spinning around wildly trying to figure out where the puck went. Then my defenseman came over, reached into my jersey and pulled the puck out from underneath my chest protecter. I'd have to say that's the weirdest save I've ever made. Needless to say, I'll probably be looking for a new (higher-end) chest protecter in the near future. Just my 2 cents, Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Steinhart Subject: FS: CCM leather pads Date: 29 Aug 1996 01:26:19 -0600 (MDT) Well, I'm upgrading to HotBranch's old pads, since that's all I can afford (and I can't even afford them, but what the hey). So I've got my old (that is the operative word) CCM leather pads for sale. They're in good shape, but need a little patch or stitching on one toe. I'll take a picture of them and put it in my web page (http://psych.colorado.edu/~angst) later today, so you can see what they look like if you're interested. Includes leather protectant and waterproofing. Make me a reasonable offer and they're yours. Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Ordonez Subject: Re: Facing an NHL shooter Date: 29 Aug 1996 18:18:55 +0000 Paul Branchaud did'nt post this to the list but after reading it I found it to be an incredibly eloquent response to my "facing an NHL shooter" question. It's worth reading. >Hi John. > >I think most of what irked you was your pride. As much as you and I have >spent a very large portion of our lives playing hockey, that is all that >Robitaille has ever done and he has perfected his skill. When you know you >are facing a player who is better than you, you want to prove to him and >to yourself that he isn't as good as everyone thinks. It's the challenge >of testing your abilities against the highest caliber the world has to >offer. I would have been happy to simply have had the chance to play >against someone of his caliber. Naturally, if I had been beaten on all his >shots, I would want a second chance at them, but I wouldn't fret about it. >It's a learning and humbling experience. It kind of reminds you that there >is someone out there who is better than you; hopefully you use it >constructively to improve your abilities and stone him the next time. > >Best of luck against your next NHLer! > >HotBranch! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gregg Johnson Subject: equipment Date: 29 Aug 1996 15:13:54 -0400 Hello to all, I have a new pair of black Koho Rev Goalie pants for sale - size boys large reason for selling - out grew'em $150.oo USA, plus shipping Also a TENNIS MASTER ball shooter with sweeping motion. A great machine we used for shooting tennis balls at goalies. You can adjust the speed, angle sweeping motion of the machine. Brand new condition! $450.USA, plus shipping Email me at: Gregg Johnson gjohnson@mail.portup.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolf Subject: Re: Facing an NHL shooter Date: 29 Aug 1996 16:07:09 PDT Well my team is now 10-3 with the 3 losses in the last 3 games. I was only playing in the last 2. The one before that I didn't play in was against the same team that we played last night. They have a very good 'b' level team with two players that are NHL wanabes (They have both tryed out for the Caps). I faced 62 shots and only let in 5 goals. The two players scored all 5. I did however stop enough of there shot to frustrate them. One of them was actully cussing me in the 3rd period because I kept stopping him point blank. Then with about 1 minute left in the game he gets the puck on a breakaway and fires a rocket slapshot trying to hit me in the head. He missed by about 6 inches. I then told him that he missed in a very sarcastic tone. I don't think he appreciated that. :) Needless to say this is the most fun I have ever had in a game that I lost. Wolf #30 Save % .905 GAA 3.00 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andy Tu Subject: Storr and Gauthuier Date: 29 Aug 1996 16:02:49 +0000 For the last week Jamie Storr (Kings goalie) and Sean Gauthuier(sp) (La Blades goalie) had practices or scrimages with some other pro players such as rick tocchett and some other guys that i don't know because there not goalies, anyways I think it pre conditioning camp. Storr have a awesome new set of brian's equipment blocker and pads are white withe grey patches and black on the side and the Kings logo on the face of the blocker and for the pads he has a 3 trapizod within each other around the 5-hole and where the boot and shin meets. In the middle of that is the letter "LA" -the 5 hole graphics have three color and with black, grey , black shaded in different thickness. air hook glove, bauer 4000 skates ,Itech sticks. Gauthuier is going to try and make the team with buffalo ,he has already signed with buffulo, and is getting ready for camp ,he too have also new equipment that he just got , Vaughn pads glove blocker in black and red patches he also got bauer 4000 goal skates. anyways thats all i gotta say. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ECUBBERLY@aol.com Subject: Re: Storr and Gauthuier Date: 29 Aug 1996 23:12:18 -0400 Dear Andy, I just spoke with Sean Gautier tonight about the new Buffalo mask I'm doing for him. "Goats" is a great guy. I'm sure he'd be glad to speak with you after his next practice. Mention my name if you want. Regards, Eddie Cubberly Cubberly Masks, Inc