From: owner-ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com (ngamers-digest) To: ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: ngamers-digest V1 #12 Reply-To: ngamers Sender: owner-ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk ngamers-digest Sunday, June 30 2002 Volume 01 : Number 012 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 16:10:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Sharer Subject: Re: [NG] Please shoot the messenger! - --- Dave Rhodes wrote: > > And how far did the stock go down? Enough to cause concern, apparently. > That's a funny thing about the stock market, stocks > can go down, and stocks can go up. Yes sir, and they usually go down when bad things happen. :) > Did you know that in their latest quarter ending, > that Activision made the most profit coming from > their XBOX games. How come you never mention things > like that? I don't see those articles...by all means post them here, but don't forget to comment on them! ;) > Speaking of games, I was playing a game on a current > gen game console and I encountered the "Blue Screen > of Death". Care to guess which console that was > from? Probably the GameCube...that's been reported to happen anytime an XBOX gets too close... Heh. RS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 20:45:40 -0500 From: "Geoff Taylor" Subject: Re: [NG] Please don't shoot the messenger - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Sharer" To: Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 10:59 AM Subject: [NG] Please don't shoot the messenger > ================================================== > Xbox-Related Stocks Drop After Cirrus Warning > Wed Jun 26, 1:27 PM ET > > LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Shares in companies that make > hardware related to Microsoft Corp.'s Xbox ( news - > web > sites) video game console were mostly lower on > Wednesday > after chip maker Cirrus Logic Inc. warned of a revenue > shortfall from slack Xbox production. > ================================================== > > Of course there's more, but I know everybody has > already heard all this, right? Also, I figure that > since adult discussion about this is occurring on > other lists, including XBOX lists, that we're all > mature enough to discuss this here. > > Guys, if all this was happening to Gamecube I'd be > more than a little concerned. I know Microsoft has > deep pockets...ok, really really deep pockets...but > the news just keeps getting worse and worse for them. > > The question...is this good news or bad news for > Nintendo? And if good news, is it good or bad news > for us consumers? See, I'll be honest and say that I > don't mind these console price wars in the least! :) > > I'll also be honest and say that I *like* Microsoft in > their place in the pecking order...behind > Nintendo...but would we all suffer if we go back to > only Sony and Nintendo in the race? I'll bet we > would. > > And the news article ends on this ominous note: > ====================================================== > But Thomas Weisel Partners analyst Eric Gomberg was > more > downbeat on the implications for Cirrus. > > "In our opinion, given the magnitude of the shortfall, > and > the fact that Cirrus had already guided that > Xbox-related > revenues would decline sequentially in (the first > quarter), > it appears that Xbox related production has been > virtually > nonexistent in the past four weeks," he said. > ====================================================== > > RS Nintendo produces and publishes some great games. I've said it before and I'll say it here again, if I could only afford one system I'd buy the Gamecube over Xbox and PS2. However, both the PS2 and Xbox take gaming into realms that Gamecube wont. Nintendo is trying new areas with Eternal Darkness but we all know it's not going to be a widespread event. Actually, with so many great first party Nintendo titles announced for this year what do they have up their sleeves for next year and so on? That is if they stick to their current schedule without any further delays. Before, we've had to wait as one major title was released every year (or so it seemed). I can't recall getting so many hot titles from Nintendo in the same year since well, I don't remember. :) Xbox will probably be nothing more than a foot in the door for Microsoft. It'll be enough to show people Microsoft is serious about console gaming. If it does nothing more, Microsoft will be fine. Though, they have the money to do more than we saw from Sega all of these years when they were behind. Microsoft can't be wedged in with the rules and speculations of the past. Geoff [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 22:12:56 EDT From: DarkBastion@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Please don't shoot the messenger - --part1_18.216f18ee.2a4fc328_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/29/02 9:46:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, geotay@charter.net writes: > Microsoft can't be wedged in with the rules and speculations of the > past. > > Geoff Exaclty. MicroSoft has enough cash to rewrite the rules. ~Matt "The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they're going to be when you kill them." - - William Clayton - --part1_18.216f18ee.2a4fc328_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/29/02 9:46:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, geotay@charter.net writes:


Microsoft can't be wedged in with the rules and speculations of the
past.

Geoff


Exaclty. MicroSoft has enough cash to rewrite the rules.

~Matt

"The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they're going to be when you kill them."

- - William Clayton - --part1_18.216f18ee.2a4fc328_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 22:23:43 -0400 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: [NG] Eternal Darkness This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C21FBB.A09BB6A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wonder. I only finished a few chapters now, just recently the one with = the Persian guy who can hold two swords at once but still only dish out = the same damage as with one. ;-) But I wonder, does the life meter ever grow bigger, or do you ever get = more powerful so hits don't take away so much damage? What really bugs me, how you have to stand completely still to use = magic. That's lame, I mean I want to cast a spell to regain my sanity a = bit but I have an awful hard time doing so when a bunch of monsters are = chasing me. Grr.=20 - --Dave-- The Pledge: Version 5.0.2 "I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and = to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, Under The Stifling = Blanket of Insanely Stupid Politically Correct Bulls***, with Liberty = and Justice for all (white Christians, most of the time)." - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C21FBB.A09BB6A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I wonder. I only finished a = few chapters=20 now, just recently the one with the Persian guy who can hold two swords = at once=20 but still only dish out the same damage as with one. ;-)
 
But I wonder, does the life = meter ever=20 grow bigger, or do you ever get more powerful so hits don't take away so = much=20 damage?
 
What really bugs me, how you = have to=20 stand completely still to use magic. That's lame, I mean I want to cast = a spell=20 to regain my sanity a bit but I have an awful hard time doing so when a = bunch of=20 monsters are chasing me. Grr.
 
--Dave--
 
The Pledge: Version = 5.0.2
"I pledge=20 allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the = Republic for=20 which it stands, one nation, Under The Stifling Blanket of Insanely = Stupid=20 Politically Correct Bulls***, with Liberty and Justice for all (white=20 Christians, most of the time)."
- ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C21FBB.A09BB6A0-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 20:01:50 -0700 From: "Dexter S." Subject: Re: [NG] Please don't shoot the messenger - --Boundary_(ID_xtQULyrTVRhEz4317IEwuw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Exaclty. MicroSoft has enough cash to rewrite the rules. > > ~Matt That's a rather simplistic analysis of the situation. Microsoft may have enough cash, but if they are acting rationally to maximize their profits, there is a cutoff point where to spend anymore is to throw money down a drain that would either a) take very long time to recoup as to nullify its present value b) simpyl throwing money away with no prospects of seeing a return. The argument that Microsoft will hang it for as long as it takes is slightly misleading. They will hang in for as long as they see a potential return on their investment. In economics, there is such a thing called "barrier of entry" the barrier for the gaming business is high, but it is one Microsoft can afford. But after buying the ticket to get in, there is no guarantee they will stay forever. Their WebTV division, much hyped, did nothing more than create a nice niche market for Microsoft. Sure, they may hang around the gaming market indefinately, it does not mean they will dominate, or even be a top contender. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Microsoft may, at some point, decide to exit the hardware business entirely and provide software applications, OS and the like for the future computing gaming boxes that may emerge. Nintendo and Sony are doing exactly what they should do. Co-opetition. The change in rhetoric between the two old rivals is quite revealing, and a sign that Microsoft will not divide and conquer, and its a bad thing for people hoping they will repeat its success against previous competitors which dominated some narrow applications business they wanted to dominate. Nintendo and Sony are quite unlike anything Microsoft has ever faced. For one, individually, they have sufficient financial, and industrial resources to keep toe to toe with Microsoft. Nintendo's cash reserves can buy it a lot of things, and given gaming is the only business Nintendo is in, they can spend all of it if they have to. Microsoft's cash reserves may be larger, but so are their interests. Spending all of it, would be nothing short of myopic suicide. Sony has played its card correctly. Allying with key challengers to Microsoft's domination in the PC business, and as lord Shogun of the gaming world, it directs everyone around it, including Nintendo. Sony is not a stupid company. It has superceded Matsushita, its bitter rival in the electronics industry, and I won't be surprised it they take this tit for tat action into Microsoft's home court and give them a run for their money. Dexter - --Boundary_(ID_xtQULyrTVRhEz4317IEwuw) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT  
Exaclty. MicroSoft has enough cash to rewrite the rules.

~Matt


That's a rather simplistic analysis of the situation.  Microsoft may have enough cash, but if they are acting rationally to maximize their profits, there is a cutoff point where to spend anymore is to throw money down a drain that would either a) take very long time to recoup as to nullify its present value  b) simpyl throwing money away with no prospects of seeing a return.

The argument that Microsoft will hang it for as long as it takes is slightly misleading.  They will hang in for as long as they see a potential return on their investment.  In economics, there is such a thing called "barrier of entry"  the barrier for the gaming business is high, but it is one Microsoft can afford.  But after buying the ticket to get in, there is no guarantee they will stay forever.

Their WebTV division, much hyped, did nothing more than create a nice niche market for Microsoft.  Sure, they may hang around the gaming market indefinately, it does not mean they will dominate, or even be a top contender.   I've said it before and I'll say it again.  Microsoft may, at some point, decide to exit the hardware business entirely and provide software applications, OS and the like for the future computing gaming boxes that may emerge.

Nintendo and Sony are doing exactly what they should do.  Co-opetition. The change in rhetoric between the two old rivals is quite revealing, and a sign that Microsoft will not divide and conquer, and its a bad thing for people hoping they will repeat its success against previous competitors which dominated some narrow applications business they wanted to dominate.

Nintendo and Sony are quite unlike anything Microsoft has ever faced.  For one, individually, they have sufficient financial, and industrial resources to keep toe to toe with Microsoft.  Nintendo's cash reserves can buy it  a lot of things, and given gaming is the only business Nintendo is in, they can spend all of it if they have to.  Microsoft's cash reserves may be larger, but so are their interests.  Spending all of it, would be nothing short of myopic suicide.   Sony has played its card correctly.  Allying with key challengers to Microsoft's domination in the PC business, and as lord Shogun of the gaming world, it directs everyone around it,  including Nintendo.

Sony is not a stupid company.  It has superceded Matsushita, its bitter rival in the electronics industry, and I won't be surprised it they take this tit for tat action into Microsoft's home court and give them a run for their money.

Dexter - --Boundary_(ID_xtQULyrTVRhEz4317IEwuw)-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 22:05:17 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] Please don't shoot the messenger This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C21FB9.0DAF5380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Their WebTV division, much hyped, did nothing more than create a nice = niche market for Microsoft. >>>> That is a failed analogy. The whole concept of WebTV is a niche market = itself. Gaming is not. It is a prosperous industry. So I would = expect MS to be a bit more tenacious with it's entry into the gaming = market. But that said, I do agree with pretty much everything you said. = At some point MS will have to call it quits if they continue to lose so = much money. But if they can begin to improve the situation by the end of = this generation, which is at least 3-4 years away, I expect we will see = an XBOX 2. I think MS will at least hang strong till the end of this = generation. Stryder - ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C21FB9.0DAF5380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Their WebTV division, much hyped, did nothing more than create a = nice niche=20 market for Microsoft.  >>>>
 
That is a failed analogy.  The = whole concept=20 of WebTV is a niche market itself.  Gaming is not.   It = is a=20 prosperous industry.  So I would expect MS to be a bit more = tenacious with=20 it's entry into the gaming market.  But that said, I do agree with = pretty=20 much everything you said.  At some point MS will have to call it = quits if=20 they continue to lose so much money. But if they can begin = to improve the=20 situation by the end of this generation, which is at least 3-4 years = away, I=20 expect we will see an XBOX 2.  I think MS will at least hang=20 strong till the end of this generation.
 
Stryder
- ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C21FB9.0DAF5380-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 23:10:00 -0400 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [NG] Please don't shoot the messenger This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C21FC2.179EE140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thraxen=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [NG] Please don't shoot the messenger Their WebTV division, much hyped, did nothing more than create a nice = niche market for Microsoft. >>>> That is a failed analogy. The whole concept of WebTV is a niche = market itself. Gaming is not. It is a prosperous industry. So I = would expect MS to be a bit more tenacious with it's entry into the = gaming market. But that said, I do agree with pretty much everything = you said. At some point MS will have to call it quits if they continue = to lose so much money. But if they can begin to improve the situation by = the end of this generation, which is at least 3-4 years away, I expect = we will see an XBOX 2. I think MS will at least hang strong till the = end of this generation. Stryder - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- If SEGA could release the Dreamcast after the SEGA CD, 32-X, and Saturn, = I think Microsoft is in the position to be able to afford to 'lose' this = generation but still have new hardware a few years from now. ~ Dave ~ TreyTable@msn.com I pledge allegiance to the flag, Michael Jackson is a fag. - ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C21FC2.179EE140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Thraxen =
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 = 11:05=20 PM
Subject: Re: [NG] Please don't = shoot the=20 messenger

Their WebTV division, much hyped, did nothing more than create a = nice=20 niche market for Microsoft.  >>>>
 
That is a failed analogy.  The = whole concept=20 of WebTV is a niche market itself.  Gaming is not.   It = is a=20 prosperous industry.  So I would expect MS to be a bit more = tenacious=20 with it's entry into the gaming market.  But that said, I do = agree with=20 pretty much everything you said.  At some point MS will have to = call it=20 quits if they continue to lose so much money. But if they can begin=20 to improve the situation by the end of this generation, which is = at least=20 3-4 years away, I expect we will see an XBOX 2.  I think MS will = at least=20 hang strong till the end of this generation.
 
Stryder
 
If SEGA could release the Dreamcast = after the SEGA=20 CD, 32-X, and Saturn, I think Microsoft is in the position to be able to = afford=20 to 'lose' this generation but still have new hardware a few years from=20 now.
 
~ Dave ~
TreyTable@msn.com
I pledge = allegiance to=20 the flag, Michael Jackson is a fag.
- ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C21FC2.179EE140-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 23:13:20 EDT From: DarkBastion@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Please don't shoot the messenger - --part1_1a2.484b355.2a4fd150_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/29/02 11:07:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thraxen@ipa.net writes: > I think MS will at least hang strong till the end of this generation. > > Stryder > I think they will hang on at least until the end of the next generation. Creating the userbase of Xbox Live! alone is a signal that they are in for at least a good 5-10 years. After that, if their gaming divison keeps hemoraging money, they may have to call it quits in the console gaming market. ~Matt "The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they're going to be when you kill them." - - William Clayton - --part1_1a2.484b355.2a4fd150_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/29/02 11:07:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thraxen@ipa.net writes:


I think MS will at least hang strong till the end of this generation.

Stryder


I think they will hang on at least until the end of the next generation. Creating the userbase of Xbox Live! alone is a signal that they are in for at least a good 5-10 years. After that, if their gaming divison keeps hemoraging money, they may have to call it quits in the console gaming market.

~Matt

"The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they're going to be when you kill them."

- - William Clayton - --part1_1a2.484b355.2a4fd150_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 20:54:26 -0700 From: "Dexter S." Subject: Re: [NG] Please don't shoot the messenger - --Boundary_(ID_OzvKoX+EvdF1zea5WoQB5A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > If SEGA could release the Dreamcast after the SEGA CD, 32-X, and > Saturn, I think Microsoft is in the position to be able to afford to > 'lose' this generation but still have new hardware a few years from > now. The Sega analogy is different. It's business is gaming, and it had no choice but to keep releasing consoles and racking that hure 2 billion dollar debt. Or was it 3 billion? The company made its big bugs in the Genesis era, and has essentially lost money in all those years since the Saturn came out and its restructing process, where it is still losing money, and will cotinue to loose money if it continues its myopic support for Xbox. Had it not been for the former chair at CSK which pumped in a billion of his own money, Sega would have been history years ago. Dexter - --Boundary_(ID_OzvKoX+EvdF1zea5WoQB5A) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
If SEGA could release the Dreamcast after the SEGA CD, 32-X, and Saturn, I think Microsoft is in the position to be able to afford to 'lose' this generation but still have new hardware a few years from now.


The Sega analogy is different.  It's business is gaming, and it had no choice but to keep releasing consoles and racking that hure 2 billion dollar debt. Or was it 3 billion?

The company made its big bugs in the Genesis era, and has essentially lost money in all those years since the Saturn came out and its restructing process, where it is still losing money, and will cotinue to loose money if it continues its myopic support for Xbox.  Had it not been for the former chair at CSK which pumped in a billion of his own money, Sega would have been history years ago.

Dexter - --Boundary_(ID_OzvKoX+EvdF1zea5WoQB5A)-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 20:59:46 -0700 From: "Dexter S." Subject: Re: [NG] Please don't shoot the messenger - --Boundary_(ID_OfC4s9gpkPq3fRgGKZm7ww) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > That is a failed analogy. The whole concept of WebTV is a niche > market itself. Gaming is not. It is a prosperous industry. So I > would expect MS to be a bit more tenacious with it's entry into the > gaming market. But that said, I do agree with pretty much everything > you said. At some point MS will have to call it quits if they > continue to lose so much money. But if they can begin to improve the > situation by the end of this generation, which is at least 3-4 years > away, I expect we will see an XBOX 2. I think MS will at least hang > strong till the end of this generation. Stryder That is a fair point. Dexter - --Boundary_(ID_OfC4s9gpkPq3fRgGKZm7ww) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

That is a failed analogy.  The whole concept of WebTV is a niche market itself.  Gaming is not.   It is a prosperous industry.  So I would expect MS to be a bit more tenacious with it's entry into the gaming market.  But that said, I do agree with pretty much everything you said.  At some point MS will have to call it quits if they continue to lose so much money. But if they can begin to improve the situation by the end of this generation, which is at least 3-4 years away, I expect we will see an XBOX 2.  I think MS will at least hang strong till the end of this generation. Stryder
That is a fair point.

Dexter - --Boundary_(ID_OfC4s9gpkPq3fRgGKZm7ww)-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 00:39:30 -0500 From: "Eric C" Subject: Re: [NG] Please don't shoot the messenger >From: "Geoff Taylor" >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: >Subject: Re: [NG] Please don't shoot the messenger >Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 20:45:40 -0500 > > >Actually, with so many great first party Nintendo titles announced for this >year what do they have up their sleeves for next year and so on? That is >if >they stick to their current schedule without any further delays. Before, >we've had to wait as one major title was released every year (or so it >seemed). I can't recall getting so many hot titles from Nintendo in the >same year since well, I don't remember. :) > > >Geoff > This is actually something I've wondered about myself. I mean, the only new things they really showed at E3 were Wario World and Mario Party 4. While I'm so d**n excited about all they've shown thus far, what do they have in store for the coming years? I hope they do eventually pursue online gaming with Pokémon and Smash Bros. Well, I guess it's mainly wait for Spaceworld now. - -Satoshi _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 00:42:41 -0500 From: "Eric C" Subject: Re: [NG] Eternal Darkness >From: "Dave Rhodes" >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: "NGamers List" >Subject: [NG] Eternal Darkness >Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 22:23:43 -0400 > >I wonder. I only finished a few chapters now, just recently the one with >the Persian guy who can hold two swords at once but still only dish out the >same damage as with one. ;-) > >But I wonder, does the life meter ever grow bigger, or do you ever get more >powerful so hits don't take away so much damage? > >What really bugs me, how you have to stand completely still to use magic. >That's lame, I mean I want to cast a spell to regain my sanity a bit but I >have an awful hard time doing so when a bunch of monsters are chasing me. >Grr. > >--Dave-- > I know what you mean. The magic is kinda tough, especially with the bigger monsters. Ugh, I hate them. Anyway, the next chapter that you're going for is, so far, my favorite. Not giving anything away, of course. Have fun. - -Satoshi _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 22:53:30 -0700 From: "Dexter S." Subject: Re: [NG] Please don't shoot the messenger > > This is actually something I've wondered about myself. I mean, the= only new > things they really showed at E3 were Wario World and Mario Party 4.= While > I'm so d**n excited about all they've shown thus far, what do they = have in > store for the coming years? I hope they do eventually pursue onlin= e gaming > with Pok=E9mon and Smash Bros. Well, I guess it's mainly wait for = Spaceworld > now. > -Satoshi F-Zero, Star Fox Armada should fill in nicely in 2003. Those were li= kely E3 announcements that got pushed forward for some unkwown reason. This = E3 had very little surprise in the console front. Matt (IGN) reports that while Nintendo remains quiet in public, and a= ppears as if the company is unsure with on-line gaming, developers close to Ni= ntendo have been telling (IGN) otherwise, and that Nintendo has a solid on-line s= trategy, and I assume, they are waiting for their first party on-line games to= be finished before making the big push. Mario Kart, will apparently tie= in closely with any on-line announcement they make. I take that to mean if Mari= o Kart doesn't go on-line, chances of any significant on-line title from Ni= ntendo is reduced. If Mario Kart is on-line, expect an asault of other titles. Dexter [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 01:03:56 -0500 From: "Eric C" Subject: Re: [NG] Please don't shoot the messenger >From: "Dexter S." >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [NG] Please don't shoot the messenger >Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 20:54:26 -0700 > >The Sega analogy is different. It's business is gaming, and it had no >choice but to keep releasing consoles and racking that hure 2 billion >dollar debt. Or was it 3 billion? > >The company made its big bugs in the Genesis era, and has essentially >lost money in all those years since the Saturn came out and its >restructing process, where it is still losing money, and will cotinue to >loose money if it continues its myopic support for Xbox. Had it not >been for the former chair at CSK which pumped in a billion of his own >money, Sega would have been history years ago. > >Dexter You seem to enjoy using the word "myopic." ;-) I do agree, though, that they really should support the others more than XB. That's not saying that SEGA can't do great things with the XBOX hardware. I mean, you have such a high profile software developer with a powerful machine, you better believe they can do some impressive s***. The thing is that their games aren't selling as well on XBOX. Sonic Adventure 2 (GC) and Virtua Fighter 4 (PS2) have been on the best sellers list since their releases, but the XBOX titles don't seem to move as well. Might have more to do with name recognition, but I still think they have a better shot on PS2 and GC. - -Satoshi _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 23:50:10 -0700 From: "Dexter S." Subject: Re: [NG] Please don't shoot the messenger > > > You seem to enjoy using the word "myopic." ;-) Just today. It was at the top of my head. > > I do agree, though, that they really should support the others more than XB. > That's not saying that SEGA can't do great things with the XBOX hardware. > I mean, you have such a high profile software developer with a powerful > machine, you better believe they can do some impressive s***. The thing is > that their games aren't selling as well on XBOX. Sonic Adventure 2 (GC) and > Virtua Fighter 4 (PS2) have been on the best sellers list since their > releases, but the XBOX titles don't seem to move as well. Might have more > to do with name recognition, but I still think they have a better shot on > PS2 and GC. Sega games on the Xbox have simply gone Titanic on them. It may change with a higher profile titles, but those titles that tanked would not have had it been on the GameCube or the PS2. The company cannot seem to make a coherent decision, and is poised for a major cash crunch as divisions fall behind others when their games fail to sell and Sega is forced to subsidize money losing development teams. Not to mention Sega is still in the process of paying off its debts and need as much liquidity as possible. But if "bankruptcy" crap happens, it is their fault, and I have absolutely no sympathy for Sega in this regard. As a gamer, I recognize their importance, while I'm not big on the games they make, I support them in that respect. But poor business decisions is something I'm quite willing to mock. If they go under and split up into pieces like Atari, then so be it. That's the free market. Dexter [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 08:07:32 -0400 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [NG] SEGA This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C2200D.2F64E400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dexter S.=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [NG] Please don't shoot the messenger If SEGA could release the Dreamcast after the SEGA CD, 32-X, and = Saturn, I think Microsoft is in the position to be able to afford to = 'lose' this generation but still have new hardware a few years from now. The Sega analogy is different. It's business is gaming, and it had no = choice but to keep releasing consoles and racking that hure 2 billion = dollar debt. Or was it 3 billion?=20 The company made its big bugs in the Genesis era, and has essentially = lost money in all those years since the Saturn came out and its = restructing process, where it is still losing money, and will cotinue to = loose money if it continues its myopic support for Xbox. Had it not = been for the former chair at CSK which pumped in a billion of his own = money, Sega would have been history years ago.=20 Dexter=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- SEGA isn't losing money anymore. And with their support for XBOX you = think they are losing money? I think they're putting out XBOX games = because they like to take risks and really like the hardware. But = they're not stupid, I mean what were SEGA's biggest sellers this year so = far? Virtua Fighter 4 for the PS2, Sonic Adventure 2 Battle for the = Gamecube, and Sonic Advance for the Game Boy Advance. With big numbers = with those three titles, I think they have room to fiddle all they want = with the XBOX.=20 Oh, and on a side note, I was at Best Buy yesterday to get a Memory Card = 251 and noticed that Rez (PS2) and Home Run King (Gamecube) are both = $19.99.=20 ~ Dave ~ TreyTable@msn.com I pledge allegiance to the flag, Michael Jackson is a fag. - ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C2200D.2F64E400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dexter = S.
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 = 11:54=20 PM
Subject: Re: [NG] Please don't = shoot the=20 messenger

If SEGA = could release=20 the Dreamcast after the SEGA CD, 32-X, and Saturn, I think Microsoft = is in=20 the position to be able to afford to 'lose' this generation but = still have=20 new hardware a few years from now.


The Sega analogy is different.  It's business is gaming, = and it=20 had no choice but to keep releasing consoles and racking that hure 2 = billion=20 dollar debt. Or was it 3 billion?=20

The company made its big bugs in the Genesis era, and has = essentially lost=20 money in all those years since the Saturn came out and its restructing = process, where it is still losing money, and will cotinue to loose = money if it=20 continues its myopic support for Xbox.  Had it not been for the = former=20 chair at CSK which pumped in a billion of his own money, Sega would = have been=20 history years ago.=20

Dexter=20

 
SEGA isn't losing money anymore. And with their support for XBOX = you think=20 they are losing money? I think they're putting out XBOX games because = they like=20 to take risks and really like the hardware. But they're not stupid, I = mean what=20 were SEGA's biggest sellers this year so far? Virtua Fighter 4 for the = PS2,=20 Sonic Adventure 2 Battle for the Gamecube, and Sonic Advance for = the Game=20 Boy Advance. With big numbers with those three titles, I think they have = room to=20 fiddle all they want with the XBOX.
 
Oh, and on a side note, I was = at Best Buy=20 yesterday to get a Memory Card 251 and noticed that Rez (PS2) and Home = Run King=20 (Gamecube) are both $19.99.
 
~ Dave ~
TreyTable@msn.com
I pledge = allegiance to=20 the flag, Michael Jackson is a fag.
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