From: owner-ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com (ngamers-digest) To: ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: ngamers-digest V1 #61 Reply-To: ngamers Sender: owner-ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk ngamers-digest Friday, January 3 2003 Volume 01 : Number 061 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:12:47 -0500 From: "Pythagoras" Subject: Re: [NG] PS2 and "best gaming machine ever" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C2B308.48182F50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Don=20 To: ngamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 4:08 AM Subject: RE: [NG] PS2 and "best gaming machine ever" No I have a new PC now but my PC very rarely locks up on me, I get = access to the internet anyway so I don't have to buy any special "online = gaming" adapters etc. Why don't you consider the PC to be a gaming = system? You play games on it just like the other consoles, sure = everyone's hardware is different and the graphics may vary slightly on = different machines or even the framerate and textures but the games are = 99.9% the same damned game for each person that plays it and I don't see = why you always make it a point to say that is in it's own category or = something. =20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- The games are the same but everybody has different hardware, it seems. = That's like saying every car is better than every truck when the cars = you look at are made by Lamborghini and Volkswagen and trucks made by = General Motors.=20 Trey Treytable@earthlink.net http://tinyurl.com/3kb5 "Constantly choosing the lesser of two evils=20 is still choosing evil." - Jerry Garcia (1942-1995) - ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C2B308.48182F50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Don =
To: ngamers@lists.xmission.com=

Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 = 4:08=20 AM

Subject: RE: [NG] PS2 and "best = gaming=20 machine ever"

No I have a = new PC=20 now but my PC very rarely locks up on me, I get access to the internet = anyway=20 so I don=92t have to buy any special =93online gaming=94 adapters etc. = Why don=92t you consider the = PC to be a=20 gaming system? You play = games on=20 it just like the other consoles, sure everyone=92s hardware is = different and the=20 graphics may vary slightly on different machines or even the framerate and textures but the games are 99.9% = the same=20 damned game for each person that plays it and I don=92t see why you = always make=20 it a point to say that is in it=92s own category or=20 something.

The games are the same = but everybody=20 has different hardware, it seems. That's like saying every car is better = than=20 every truck when the cars you look at are made by Lamborghini and = Volkswagen and=20 trucks made by General Motors.

Trey
Treytable@earthlink.net
http://tinyurl.com/3kb5
"Constant= ly=20 choosing the lesser of two evils
is still choosing evil." - = Jerry=20 Garcia (1942=961995)

- ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C2B308.48182F50-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:16:18 -0500 From: "Pythagoras" Subject: Re: [NG] Playstation 2 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C2B308.C661BE80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Are you sure "D" doesn't stand for Dumbass? First DVD-ROM, not first DVD = Player. Well, it is. But I was highlighting the fact that the PS2 was = the first console to use DVD media for games. You Canadians, you think = you're so full of cheese. Trey Treytable@earthlink.net http://tinyurl.com/3kb5 "Constantly choosing the lesser of two evils=20 is still choosing evil." - Jerry Garcia (1942-1995) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Don=20 To: ngamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 4:10 AM Subject: RE: [NG] Playstation 2 Playing DVD's really has nothing to do with the actual console itself = in how it is a GAMING machine. And quite frankly I have nothing against = the PS2 or Xbox but the quality of their DVD players is absolute Sh*t = compared to what you can get these days for a few more dollars. =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-NGamers@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-NGamers@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Pythagoras Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 12:16 AM To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [NG] Playstation 2 =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jedcross2@aol.com=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [NG] Playstation 2 =20 In a message dated 1/2/03 2:30:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, = rlsharer@yahoo.com writes:=20 "Best ever" (for you) or any individual is one=20 thing...but to say it's the best console ever made is=20 kinda myopic. Especially when the primary reason is=20 because you're hooked on a few games. As the=20 gentleman said, show me the innovation!=20 RS Dual Shock 2.=20 -Jed=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- =20 DVD-ROM for a console game. =20 But the Dual Shock 2 isn't innovative at all. =20 in the original it was an SNES pad with two extra shoulder buttons. =20 the Analog sticks were a copy (basically) of Nintendo's idea for the = N64.=20 =20 the two sticks on the DS2 are hardly innovative since it's the same as = the Dual Shock and Dual Analog. =20 Analog face and shoulder buttons? Namco did that in 1995 with the = NeGcon, for the PlayStation. There is nothing innovative about the Dual = Shock 2 =20 =20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C2B308.C661BE80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Are you sure "D" doesn't stand for = Dumbass? First=20 DVD-ROM, not first DVD Player. Well, it is. But I was highlighting the = fact that=20 the PS2 was the first console to use DVD media for games. You Canadians, = you=20 think you're so full of cheese.

Trey
Treytable@earthlink.net
http://tinyurl.com/3kb5
"Constant= ly=20 choosing the lesser of two evils
is still choosing evil." - = Jerry=20 Garcia (1942=961995)

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Don =
To: ngamers@lists.xmission.com=

Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 = 4:10=20 AM

Subject: RE: [NG] Playstation = 2

Playing = DVD=92s really has nothing to do with the actual = console=20 itself in how it is a GAMING machine. And quite frankly I have = nothing=20 against the PS2 or Xbox but the quality of = their DVD=20 players is absolute Sh*t compared to what = you can=20 get these days for a few more dollars.

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: = owner-NGamers@lists.xmis= sion.com=20 [mailto:owner-NGamers@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of = Pythagoras
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 = 12:16=20 AM
To:=20 NGamers@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [NG] Playstation=20 2

----- Original Message = - -----=20

From: Jedcross2@aol.com=20

To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com= =20

Sent:=20 Thursday, January 02, 2003 3:18 = PM

Subject: Re:=20 [NG] Playstation 2

In a message dated = 1/2/03=20 2:30:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, rlsharer@yahoo.com writes: =

"Best ever" (for you) = or any=20 individual is one
thing...but to say it's the best console ever = made is=20
kinda myopic. Especially when the primary reason is =
because=20 you're hooked on a few games. As the
gentleman said, show = me the=20 innovation!

RS

Dual Shock=20 2.

-Jed

DVD-ROM for a console=20 game.

But the Dual Shock 2 = isn't=20 innovative at all.

in the original it was = an SNES pad=20 with two extra shoulder buttons.

the Analog sticks were a = copy=20 (basically) of Nintendo's idea for the N64.=20

the two sticks on the = DS2 are=20 hardly innovative since it's the same as the Dual Shock and Dual=20 Analog.

Analog face and shoulder = buttons?=20 Namco did that in 1995 with the NeGcon, for the PlayStation. There is = nothing=20 innovative about the Dual Shock 2

= - ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C2B308.C661BE80-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:22:49 EST From: Jedcross2@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Wavebird - --part1_11e.1c1e8eb4.2b4712d9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/3/03 1:19:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, treytable@earthlink.net writes: > It uses RF technology instead out IR, i believe. you can use a wavebird in > Yes it's possible. It's frequency is the same as a cordless phone (The last Generation of them)((900MHz) whose range was about 100M. I can be outside playing with the controller and the game will still play:-) - -Jed "According to my Calculations, when this baby hits 88 Miles per hour, we're gonna see some serious shit" ~Doc Brown, Back to the Future - --part1_11e.1c1e8eb4.2b4712d9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/3/03 1:19:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, treytable@earthlink.net writes:

It uses RF technology instead out IR, i believe. you can use a wavebird in another room and it's still instantaneous control

Yes it's possible. It's frequency is the same as a cordless phone (The last Generation of them)((900MHz) whose range was about 100M. I can be outside playing with the controller and the game will still play:-)

-Jed

"According to my Calculations, when this baby hits 88 Miles per hour, we're gonna see some serious shit"
~Doc Brown, Back to the Future - --part1_11e.1c1e8eb4.2b4712d9_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:27:25 EST From: Jedcross2@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Playstation 2 - --part1_78.34819506.2b4713ed_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/3/03 1:25:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, thraxen@ipa.net writes: > Wavebird's contribution? It's nothing new. Until a console manufacture > makes a rechargeable wireless controller, preferably with rumble, then all > wireless controllers are status quo...even the Wavebird. Who the hell cares > that you can go 90 feet away....that's useless. I want built-in > rechargeable batteries in a wireless controller that retains all the > features of the wired versions...that's something new. Wavebird...not > new...at all. > > Stryder I'm with you. Why can't they use rechargable controllers? Why can't it have rumble? Urgh. - -Jed "According to my Calculations, when this baby hits 88 Miles per hour, we're gonna see some serious shit" ~Doc Brown, Back to the Future - --part1_78.34819506.2b4713ed_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/3/03 1:25:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, thraxen@ipa.net writes:

Wavebird's contribution? It's nothing new. Until a console manufacture
makes a rechargeable wireless controller, preferably with rumble, then all
wireless controllers are status quo...even the Wavebird. Who the hell cares
that you can go 90 feet away....that's useless. I want built-in
rechargeable batteries in a wireless controller that retains all the
features of the wired versions...that's something new. Wavebird...not
new...at all.

Stryder

I'm with you. Why can't they use rechargable controllers? Why can't it have rumble? Urgh.

-Jed

"According to my Calculations, when this baby hits 88 Miles per hour, we're gonna see some serious shit"
~Doc Brown, Back to the Future - --part1_78.34819506.2b4713ed_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:29:03 EST From: Jedcross2@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Playstation 2 - --part1_17a.148f02f3.2b47144f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/3/03 1:25:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, gregorys@xmission.com writes: > I never use anything but my Wavebird. Rumble is a small price to pay for > the huge convenience of wireless. I have four of the standard controllers > and they are used by everyone else. Heck, even my nephews both got > Wavebirds > before they ever bought a single game for their cube (they borrow my > games). I > pity those still tied to cords. > > Greg Like me:( I usually have to unhook my PS2 and move it from TV to TV. Sometimes I'll have it in the living room to watch a movie, then I'll have it in my other room to play games. It's so annoying with all those wires. Their everywhere. My tip: Unhook the controller so that makes less wires to deal with. - - Jed "According to my Calculations, when this baby hits 88 Miles per hour, we're gonna see some serious shit" ~Doc Brown, Back to the Future - --part1_17a.148f02f3.2b47144f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/3/03 1:25:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, gregorys@xmission.com writes:

I never use anything but my Wavebird. Rumble is a small price to pay for
the huge convenience of wireless. I have four of the standard controllers
and they are used by everyone else. Heck, even my nephews both got Wavebirds
before they ever bought a single game for their cube (they borrow my games). I
pity those still tied to cords.

Greg

Like me:(
I usually have to unhook my PS2 and move it from TV to TV. Sometimes I'll have it in the living room to watch a movie, then I'll have it in my other room to play games. It's so annoying with all those wires. Their everywhere.

My tip: Unhook the controller so that makes less wires to deal with.
-
Jed

"According to my Calculations, when this baby hits 88 Miles per hour, we're gonna see some serious shit"
~Doc Brown, Back to the Future - --part1_17a.148f02f3.2b47144f_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:31:32 EST From: Jedcross2@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Wavebird - --part1_67.6373fd8.2b4714e4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/3/03 1:30:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, dextersy@shaw.ca writes: > Mitsubishi has been developing this type of antenna for various products " > > If it's not blue tooth, then at least the technology behind it may be > related. > > Dexter > Why do they want to implement a 2.4GHz frequency? I can see why cordless phones have them (for better range), but a video game controller? - -Jed "According to my Calculations, when this baby hits 88 Miles per hour, we're gonna see some serious shit" ~Doc Brown, Back to the Future - --part1_67.6373fd8.2b4714e4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/3/03 1:30:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, dextersy@shaw.ca writes:

Mitsubishi has been developing this type of antenna for various products "

If it's not blue tooth, then at least the technology behind it may be
related.

Dexter

Why do they want to implement a 2.4GHz frequency? I can see why cordless phones have them (for better range), but a video game controller?

-Jed

"According to my Calculations, when this baby hits 88 Miles per hour, we're gonna see some serious shit"
~Doc Brown, Back to the Future - --part1_67.6373fd8.2b4714e4_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 12:25:56 -0600 From: Don Subject: RE: [NG] PS2 and "best gaming machine ever" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --Boundary_(ID_ZVihF7RB02/LfzgPy2rcxw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT But we all know that the games are what make the systems. If I spent 100 hours on a new RPG on my system and went over to my friend's house for the first time on his computer and played it, I wouldn't have to adjust to anything. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-NGamers@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-NGamers@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Pythagoras Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 8:13 AM To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [NG] PS2 and "best gaming machine ever" - ----- Original Message ----- From: Don To: ngamers@lists.xmission.com Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 4:08 AM Subject: RE: [NG] PS2 and "best gaming machine ever" No I have a new PC now but my PC very rarely locks up on me, I get access to the internet anyway so I don't have to buy any special "online gaming" adapters etc. Why don't you consider the PC to be a gaming system? You play games on it just like the other consoles, sure everyone's hardware is different and the graphics may vary slightly on different machines or even the framerate and textures but the games are 99.9% the same damned game for each person that plays it and I don't see why you always make it a point to say that is in it's own category or something. _____ _____ The games are the same but everybody has different hardware, it seems. That's like saying every car is better than every truck when the cars you look at are made by Lamborghini and Volkswagen and trucks made by General Motors. Trey Treytable@earthlink.net http://tinyurl.com/3kb5 "Constantly choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil." - Jerry Garcia (1942-1995) - --Boundary_(ID_ZVihF7RB02/LfzgPy2rcxw) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

But we all know that the games are what make the systems. If I spent 100 hours on a new RPG on my system and went over to my friend’s house for the first time on his computer and played it, I wouldn’t have to adjust to anything.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-NGamers@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-NGamers@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Pythagoras
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 8:13 AM
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [NG] PS2 and "best gaming machine ever"

----- Original Message -----

From: Don

To: ngamers@lists.xmission.com

Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 4:08 AM

Subject: RE: [NG] PS2 and "best gaming machine ever"

No I have a new PC now but my PC very rarely locks up on me, I get access to the internet anyway so I don’t have to buy any special “online gaming” adapters etc. Why don’t you consider the PC to be a gaming system? You play games on it just like the other consoles, sure everyone’s hardware is different and the graphics may vary slightly on different machines or even the framerate and textures but the games are 99.9% the same damned game for each person that plays it and I don’t see why you always make it a point to say that is in it’s own category or something.

The games are the same but everybody has different hardware, it seems. That's like saying every car is better than every truck when the cars you look at are made by Lamborghini and Volkswagen and trucks made by General Motors.

Trey
Treytable@earthlink.net
http://tinyurl.com/3kb5
"Constantly choosing the lesser of two evils
is still choosing evil." - Jerry Garcia (1942–1995)

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