From: owner-ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com (ngamers-digest) To: ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: ngamers-digest V1 #72 Reply-To: ngamers Sender: owner-ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk ngamers-digest Friday, January 10 2003 Volume 01 : Number 072 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 15:13:29 -0800 From: "Dexter S." Subject: Re: [NG] GBA SP - --Boundary_(ID_UqCHeYqqjk2uRfA7HKKL4Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > > A controller is different from a memory card, IMO. MS made a > controller, and could have shoved it down everyone's throat and > offered no alternatives; people would get used it just like everyone > coped with the N64's originally bizarre controller. However, they > responded to demand and released what was essentially the Japanese > controller. Nintendo created a problem to begin with my making such > ridiculously small cards, and lo! they look like a godsend for making > a card that has half way decent space (which is still too little space > for some games, and a far cry from the massive space offered by the > PS2 card of the Xbox hard drive). Nintendo made a mistake with the > MC59, and "solved" it with another mistake, the MC251. The issue of > MS's controller is far different than Nintendo's memory idiocy. > > ~Matt First of all, The N64's originally bizzare controller doesn't feel like a brike. It's underside was actually caved it so it looked bigger than it actually was. The Xbox controller was big, bigger than even the N64's. If I was an Xbox owner who hated the controller that came packed in with my Xbox in 2001, i'd have to shell out $$$ today to get a type-S, an added out of pocket expense. So I could say say Microsoft created a problem by making such a ridiculously large controller. It's all in the way your word it and structure your argument. I don't see a difference. It's basically both companies misjudging the market and coming out later with 'FIXES' that address a grievance. There will be consumers on both consoles who are not particularly happy having payed for something they don't really want or need. Dexter - --Boundary_(ID_UqCHeYqqjk2uRfA7HKKL4Q) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

A controller is different from a memory card, IMO. MS made a controller, and could have shoved it down everyone's throat and offered no alternatives; people would get used it just like everyone coped with the N64's originally bizarre controller. However, they responded to demand and released what was essentially the Japanese controller. Nintendo created a problem to begin with my making such ridiculously small cards, and lo! they look like a godsend for making a card that has half way decent space (which is still too little space for some games, and a far cry from the massive space offered by the PS2 card of the Xbox hard drive). Nintendo made a mistake with the MC59, and "solved" it with another mistake, the MC251. The issue of MS's controller is far different than Nintendo's memory idiocy.
~Matt

First of all, The N64's originally bizzare controller doesn't feel like a brike. It's underside was actually caved it so it looked bigger than it actually was. The Xbox controller was big, bigger than even the N64's.

If I was an Xbox owner who hated the controller that came packed in with my Xbox in 2001, i'd have to shell out $$$ today to get a type-S, an added out of pocket expense. So I could say say Microsoft created a problem by making such a ridiculously large controller. It's all in the way your word it and structure your argument. I don't see a difference. It's basically both companies misjudging the market and coming out later with 'FIXES' that address a grievance. There will be consumers on both consoles who are not particularly happy having payed for something they don't really want or need.

Dexter

- --Boundary_(ID_UqCHeYqqjk2uRfA7HKKL4Q)-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 18:05:06 -0500 (EST) From: "Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr." Subject: [NG] A new Nintendo? Metroid, Zelda, Mario, Star Fox all within the first two years! [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 15:22:40 -0800 From: "Dexter S." Subject: Re: [NG] A new Nintendo? "Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr." wrote: > Metroid, Zelda, Mario, Star Fox all within the first two years! I think the new president is making Nintendo different in terms of all the partnerships, game deals, and general direction. But he is unfortunatelly constrained by Yamuachi's legacy in terms of some of the hardware decisions Nintendo made. GameCube is the last Nintendo console that Yamauchi was involved in. I will not be that surprised if the next Nintendo console is something that's going to quite significant. There was a rumour that Panasonic, NEC and one other company will be brought it as full partners in the design and ownership of the next Nintendo handheld and console. That is, the console wouldn't be just Nintendo's, but these other companies would have a major financial stake in the product. Dexter [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 20:10:57 EST From: Jedcross2@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] A new Nintendo? - --part1_14e.19fb181a.2b4f77a1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/9/03 6:05:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, lloyd@Glue.umd.edu writes: > Metroid, Zelda, Mario, Star Fox all within the first two years! If it wasn't for that, then there wouldn't be a Nintendo... - -Jed "According to my Calculations, when this baby hits 88 Miles per hour, we're gonna see some serious shit" ~Doc Brown, Back to the Future - --part1_14e.19fb181a.2b4f77a1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/9/03 6:05:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, lloyd@Glue.umd.edu writes:

Metroid, Zelda, Mario, Star Fox all within the first two years!

If it wasn't for that, then there wouldn't be a Nintendo...

-Jed

"According to my Calculations, when this baby hits 88 Miles per hour, we're gonna see some serious shit"
~Doc Brown, Back to the Future - --part1_14e.19fb181a.2b4f77a1_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 20:16:22 -0500 (EST) From: Vi On Subject: Re: [NG] Future Consoles > You haven't? Both my USB slots are filled on my PS2... my Socom headset > and my USB keyboard to trash talk on Madden. > I also used the ps2 usb port for the Stering Wheel for GT3. I used it for the parapara pad dancing game. I used the square next to it which is the i.link for connecting 3 ps2 to play 3 player GT3. - -Vi [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 22:04:38 -0600 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] GBA SP I don't buy into the typical conspiracy theories about console manufacturers designing with 2nd and 3rd resales to previous customers, offering larger memory cards later on, short corts to push wireless or any of that nonsense>>> I'll say that the cords may indeed not be any sort of conspiracy, just a bad design, but the memory card issue is rather obvious. No one in their right mind can claim to think 0.5 MB is enough. Then the jump to a card that is still too small for many people is just further evidence. Glaring evidence. Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 22:19:46 -0600 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] GBA SP This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00AB_01C2B82D.37B36CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just as ridiculous as your claim that anything that isn't black is = somehow wrong. They're the same thing buddy. If you can live with a = little color in your line of DVD keepcases, you certainly can live with = a little color on your entertainent center. >>> Again, you fail to see what I'm talking about. I'm saying that all DVD = have full color covers that covers pretty much the entire case with big = titles and pictures. The top and bottom edge (the sides NOT on display) = of the XBOX cases being green hardly sticks out from a rack full of DVD = that explosions and such all over their covers. But the a component in = the entertainment center is different. There is a definite theme. = Everything is black (maybe all your components have covers with = explosions and such?) with silver/gold accents. The XBOX just blends = in. =20 <<>> If it's green, it will be hidden. I can deal with colors like white, = silver, or grey. They simply don't stick out in the same way a purple, = yellow, green, etc... box would. I would prefer black though. =20 <<> Like what? You are the one that said the XBOX was big and ugly? Or did = you forget? I simply said it matched other electronic components. Which = it does...that is NOT a mere opinion, unless you want to argue that = black doesn't match black.=20 Stryder - ------=_NextPart_000_00AB_01C2B82D.37B36CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just as ridiculous as your claim that anything that isn't black is = somehow=20 wrong. They're the same thing buddy. If you can live with a = little=20 color in your line of DVD keepcases, you certainly can live with a = little color=20 on your entertainent center. >>>

Again, you fail to see what I'm talking = about. I'm saying that all DVD have full color covers that covers = pretty=20 much the entire case with big titles and pictures. The top and = bottom edge=20 (the sides NOT on display) of the XBOX cases being green hardly = sticks out=20 from a rack full of DVD that explosions and such all over their = covers. =20 But the a component in the entertainment center is different. = There is a=20 definite theme. Everything is black (maybe all your=20 components have covers with explosions and such?) with silver/gold=20 accents. The XBOX just blends in.

<<<I bet you that if Xbox 2 is anything but black, = say=20 white, or god forbit, flubber green, this won't be an issue, and you'd = have a=20 whole rationalization why flubber green, unlike all other colors, = doesn't stick=20 out like a sore thunmb and take digital pictures to prove your=20 point.>>>

If it's green, it will be hidden. = I can deal=20 with colors like white, silver, or grey. They simply don't stick = out in=20 the same way a purple, yellow, green, etc... box would. I would = prefer=20 black though.

<<<You know, I can live with PREFERENCES, but when you = start=20 dictating your tastes as somehow the truth, it's a little amusing and I = play=20 along until you get into a situation like this.>>

Like what? You are the one that said the XBOX was big = and=20 ugly? Or did you forget? I simply said it matched other = electronic=20 components. Which it does...that is NOT a mere opinion, unless = you=20 want to argue that black doesn't match black.

Stryder
- ------=_NextPart_000_00AB_01C2B82D.37B36CE0-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 22:44:32 -0600 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] GBA SP This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00BF_01C2B830.AD08EEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If I was an Xbox owner who hated the controller that came packed in with = my Xbox in 2001, i'd have to shell out $$$ today to get a type-S, an = added out of pocket expense. So I could say say Microsoft created a = problem by making such a ridiculously large controller. It's all in the = way your word it and structure your argument. I don't see a = difference. It's basically both companies misjudging the market and = coming out later with 'FIXES' that address a grievance. There will be = consumers on both consoles who are not particularly happy having payed = for something they don't really want or need.>>> Again, it's totally different because the original memory cards are not = big enough to save some games. That's all that needs to be said, you = lose. Stryder - ------=_NextPart_000_00BF_01C2B830.AD08EEE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If I was an Xbox owner who hated the controller that came packed in = with my=20 Xbox in 2001, i'd have to shell out $$$ today to get a type-S, an added = out of=20 pocket expense. So I could say say Microsoft created a problem by making = such a=20 ridiculously large controller. It's all in the way your word it = and=20 structure your argument. I don't see a difference. = It's=20 basically both companies misjudging the market and coming out later with = 'FIXES'=20 that address a grievance. There will be consumers on = both=20 consoles who are not particularly happy having payed for something they = don't=20 really want or need.>>>

Again, it's totally different because = the original=20 memory cards are not big enough to save some games. That's all = that needs=20 to be said, you lose.

Stryder
- ------=_NextPart_000_00BF_01C2B830.AD08EEE0-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 22:42:33 -0600 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] GBA SP This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00B5_01C2B830.6670BA80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <<<1) Last I checked, all consoles in the market, except the Xbox, = isn't the average size of your appliance in the entertainment center.>>> Just FYI: The GC is taller than the XBOX and is a top loader, = therefore special considerations must be made to ensure it has enough = clearance when placed on a shelf. The PS2 is just as wide, and = therefore takes up the same shelf real estate that the XBOX does. <<<2) Well, there are black GameCubes. I didn't say it was ugly = because it was black. I'm saying it is ugly because it is big, and = black, with a smidgen of that god awful flubber green. I cringe = everytime I see it. Reminds of me of Star Trek for some reason, and I'm = not a big fan of that franchise. Ok, at least you agree that flubber = green is overdone. Ignore statement #2 then. It shouldn't bother you = if you agree in principle to what I just said. >>> Yes, I agree about the green jewel. The jewel should have been black = with a green "X". But as I said, it's easily hidden when placed on a = shelf, so I don't worry about it. <<<4)Well, you still have two likes of black. And do you always keep = all your cases lined up like that? Because I have a stack of DVD = keepcases next to my TV. Some movies, some games, and 2 Xbox games my = friend lent me. And its freaking ugly when I stack them like a book and = you see these two green things.>>> I used to keep my games by my systems, but they started cluttering up = the entertainment center. So they are now on the DVD rack. BTW, here = is the pic: http://home.swbell.net/rahl/dvdrack.jpg That's what I see when I walk up to rack and look down to where the = XBOX games are situated. I don't think they stick out, but maybe it's = just me. Stryder - ------=_NextPart_000_00B5_01C2B830.6670BA80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<<<1) Last I checked, all consoles in the market, except = the=20 Xbox, isn't the average size of your appliance in the entertainment=20 center.>>>

Just FYI: The GC is taller than = the XBOX=20 and is a top loader, therefore special considerations must be made to = ensure=20 it has enough clearance when placed on a shelf. The PS2 is just = as wide,=20 and therefore takes up the same shelf real estate that the XBOX=20 does.

<<<2) Well, there are black GameCubes. I didn't say it was = ugly=20 because it was black. I'm saying it is ugly because it is big, = and=20 black, with a smidgen of that god awful flubber green. I cringe=20 everytime I see it. Reminds of me of Star Trek for some reason, = and I'm=20 not a big fan of that franchise. Ok, at least you agree that = flubber=20 green is overdone. Ignore statement #2 then. It shouldn't = bother=20 you if you agree in principle to what I just said. >>>
Yes, I agree about the green = jewel. The jewel=20 should have been black with a green "X". But as I said, it's = easily=20 hidden when placed on a shelf, so I don't worry about it.
<<<4)Well, you still have two likes of black. And do = you=20 always keep all your cases lined up like that? Because I have a = stack of=20 DVD keepcases next to my TV. Some movies, some games, and 2 Xbox = games=20 my friend lent me. And its freaking ugly when I stack them like = a book=20 and you see these two green things.>>>

I used to keep my games by my systems, = but they=20 started cluttering up the entertainment center. So they are now = on the=20 DVD rack. BTW, here is the pic:

http://home.swbell.net/r= ahl/dvdrack.jpg

That's what I see when I walk up to = rack and look=20 down to where the XBOX games are situated. I don't think they = stick out,=20 but maybe it's just me.

Stryder
- ------=_NextPart_000_00B5_01C2B830.6670BA80-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 23:04:21 -0600 From: "Geoff Taylor" Subject: RE: [NG] GBA SP - -----Original Message----- From: owner-NGamers@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-NGamers@lists.xmission.com]=A0On Behalf Of=A0Dexter S.=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:33 PM=20 To: ngamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Subject: Re: [NG] GBA SP=20 Geoff Taylor wrote:=A0=20 Hmmm, I didn=92t get the original posting of this, dunno who wrote = it.=A0 Was it a child under the age of 10? Seriously. It was Thraxen's=A0 listing the things Nintendo apparently pulled to = scam its consumers.=A0 P.S.=A0 Maybe you should have caught the original posting before making this post.=A0=20 Dexter=A0 Can't read a word you typed.=A0 mind cut and pasting without all that funky formatting?=20 Dexter=20 It was in the same format you sent it in. E-mail should be in plain text, period. If I could set Outlook to only do plain text instead of replying in the method of the original e-mail that'd be great... Anyway... Geoff Taylor wrote:=20 I looked for the original, I never received it. That=92s Yahoo for you. Anyway, point is=85 that list of stuff about Xbox and PS2 is silly. I doubt Nintendo planned anything with the memory cards or short controller cables or anything else=85 but your =93list=94 was nothing = but obfuscating propaganda spewed by those who get extremely defensive of Nintendo, ie. Fanboys.=20 All three have major weaknesses, IMO. Maybe if I had magic at my hands I could take the best of all three and create the monolithic console of perfection. =20 Geoff [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 23:05:58 -0600 From: "Geoff Taylor" Subject: RE: [NG] GBA SP - -----Original Message----- From: owner-NGamers@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-NGamers@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Dexter S. Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 4:53 PM To: ngamers@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [NG] GBA SP =A0=20 Geoff Taylor wrote:=20 I looked for the original, I never received it.=A0 That=92s Yahoo for = you. Anyway, point is=85 that list of stuff about Xbox and PS2 is silly.=A0 I doubt Nintendo planned anything with the memory cards or short controller cables or anything else=85 but your =93list=94 was nothing = but obfuscating propaganda spewed by those who get extremely defensive of Nintendo, ie. Fanboys.=20 All three have major weaknesses, IMO.=A0 Maybe if I had magic at my = hands I could take the best of all three and create the monolithic console of perfection.=A0 =20 Geoff=20 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-NGamers@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-NGamers@lists.xmission.com]=A0On Behalf Of=A0Dexter S.=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:33 PM=20 To: ngamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Subject: Re: [NG] GBA SP=20 Geoff Taylor wrote:=A0=20 Hmmm, I didn=92t get the original posting of this, dunno who wrote = it.=A0 Was it a child under the age of 10? Seriously. It was Thraxen's=A0 listing the things Nintendo apparently pulled to = scam its consumers.=A0 P.S.=A0 Maybe you should have caught the original posting before making this post.=A0=20 Dexter=A0 Can't read a word you typed.=A0 mind cut and pasting without all that funky formatting?=20 Dexter=20 Oh, you're using Mozilla for e-mail. Um, yeah... Mozilla is a great browser but it's e-mail client isn't quite up to snuff. If you can't read something, get a real client. IE. Eudora, Outlook, Outlook Express, heck... even Pegasus. Geoff [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 01:58:02 -0500 (EST) From: "Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr." Subject: Re: [NG] A new Nintendo? Interesti In any case I definitely see the next Nintendo console as being extremely pivotal as far as the road the company will take. It is not Xbox that I am worried about it is Xbox 2. If MS can keep up with Nintendo in regards to hardware sales in its first generation just imagine when Xbox2 comes out with all the name recognition and respect it gained in the first generation? The fact that a new Mario and possibly new Zelda are being worked on shows that Nintendo is listening. On another note does anyone think the GB SP announcement was the Megaton announcement? lloyd On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Dexter S. wrote: > > > "Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr." wrote: > > > Metroid, Zelda, Mario, Star Fox all within the first two years! > > I think the new president is making Nintendo different in terms of all > the partnerships, game deals, and general direction. But he is > unfortunatelly constrained by Yamuachi's legacy in terms of some of the > hardware decisions Nintendo made. > > GameCube is the last Nintendo console that Yamauchi was involved in. I > will not be that surprised if the next Nintendo console is something > that's going to quite significant. > > There was a rumour that Panasonic, NEC and one other company will be > brought it as full partners in the design and ownership of the next > Nintendo handheld and console. That is, the console wouldn't be just > Nintendo's, but these other companies would have a major financial stake > in the product. > > Dexter > > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > sx [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 03:30:16 -0600 From: "Satoshi GC" Subject: Re: [NG] A new Nintendo? Never really thought about that. Though, it doesn't seem that new since they almost did the same thing with the SNES. It's nice, though. - -Satoshi My Collection: http://users.ign.com/collection/Takeshi_GC >From: "Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr." >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >Subject: [NG] A new Nintendo? >Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 18:05:06 -0500 (EST) > >Metroid, Zelda, Mario, Star Fox all within the first two years! > > > >[ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] >[ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 08:16:47 -0500 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [NG] GBA SP - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Taylor" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 3:03 PM Subject: RE: [NG] GBA SP How many ports, jacks, switches, slides, etc do we want on a > small unit? > > Geoff For me, it's gotta be at least 10. Pythagoras / TreyTable2@msn.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 08:18:50 -0500 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [NG] Game Console DVD Player, PS2, and Starfox - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Taylor" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 3:04 PM Subject: RE: [NG] Game Console DVD Player, PS2, and Starfox > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-NGamers@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner- > > NGamers@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rhodes > > Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 7:25 AM > > To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: [NG] Game Console DVD Player, PS2, and Starfox > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Thraxen" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 11:22 PM > > Subject: Re: [NG] Game Console DVD Player, PS2, and Starfox > > > > > > > > But are these firmware upgrades made available to everyone? I > > purchased > > > > my PS2 just after Christmas of 2002. I've only had one movie fail > to > > > > work with my PS2 but I've never seen new drivers that I could try. > I > > > > know some are available with the remote but is that the only > update? > > > > > > > > Geoff > > > > > > Don't know. I've never bothered to upgrade mine, but I always > assumed > > it > > > was done via a new remote. > > > > > > Stryder > > > > The remote, PlayStation Underground, OPM.. > > I've been a OPM subscriber since I purchased my PS2. Haven't seen any > driver updates on any of the discs... No mention of updates from > Underground either. > > Geoff Hmm. Got me goosed then. All I know is I got an "Underground" disc just before christmas (in the mail.. free) from SCEA that had new drivers for the PS2 DVD Player. Pythagoras / TreyTable2@msn.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 08:28:24 -0500 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [NG] GBA SP - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dexter S." To: Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [NG] GBA SP > > Controller cords that are too short...leading to a need for > > extensions and then the Wavebird. Tiny memory cards that are not big > > enough to hold later games. And now a new GBA which suddenly needs an > > adaptor just to use headphones, even though all previous GBs have had > > a headphone jack. Create a (lame) problem to create a need then > > supply the solution for a fee. It's a clear pattern with Nintendo > > these days. Stryder > > Nice list there. How about I list some for "other" consoles you > conveniently left out? :) > > PS2 > -unreliable hardware > -DVD drivers in memory cards (Japan) > -2 (not four) controller ports > -Bad DVD playback > - $500 on-line bundle just to play the same shit you can play on the > PC. that new Everquest game for PS2 looks like shit. > > Xbox > - BIG > -UGLY > -BIG BIG BIG CONTROLER, which Microsoft later CORRECTS with Type-S > (sshhh... let's pretend it didn't happen)--sounds familiar? I wonder why > you're not reacting the same way when Nintendo makes a backtrack. > Double standard? you betcha. > -DVD playback extra $$$ Since when has "big" and "ugly" been a problem. For instance, you are big and ugly, and yet we tolerate you. Second of all, didn't just about everybody think the PS2 was ugly when it was new, and yet you didn't list that. Oh, I'm still waiting for Nintendo to correct their controller, something that Microsoft only took a few months to do. With Nintendo I am still waiting. For now to play any third party game on the GameCube it seems I use the Dual Shock 2. DVD playback is extra. Oh no, the only system to offer pack in games without raising the price of the console and you're bitching about a $30 DVD Playback Kit. Shop smart, I got mine for $20. Why are Component Video cables for the XBOX $20, for the PS2 $30, and for the GameCube just about non-existent? Pythagoras / TreyTable2@msn.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 12:35:54 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Sharer Subject: Re: [NG] GBA SP - --- Thraxen wrote: > Which it > does...that is NOT a mere opinion, unless you want > to argue that black doesn't match black. You guys are cracking me up. I will agree to this...from experience...Nintendo's small memory card and the huge XBOX controller equally suck. And cost about the same to replace. RS OK, so HALO really is cool :) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 12:38:13 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Sharer Subject: Re: [NG] GBA SP - --- Thraxen wrote: > I used to keep my games by my systems, but they > started cluttering up the entertainment center. So > they are now on the DVD rack. BTW, here is the pic: > > http://home.swbell.net/rahl/dvdrack.jpg GAH! The glare is killing my eyes! :) Say, is MECH ASSAULT any good? RS __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 18:46:45 -0500 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [NG] A new Nintendo? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr." To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 6:05 PM Subject: [NG] A new Nintendo? > Metroid, Zelda, Mario, Star Fox all within the first two years! Your point is? Pythagoras / TreyTable2@msn.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 18:52:29 -0500 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [NG] GBA SP - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thraxen" To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [NG] GBA SP Just as ridiculous as your claim that anything that isn't black is somehow wrong. They're the same thing buddy. If you can live with a little color in your line of DVD keepcases, you certainly can live with a little color on your entertainent center. >>> Again, you fail to see what I'm talking about. I'm saying that all DVD have full color covers that covers pretty much the entire case with big titles and pictures. The top and bottom edge (the sides NOT on display) of the XBOX cases being green hardly sticks out from a rack full of DVD that explosions and such all over their covers. But the a component in the entertainment center is different. There is a definite theme. Everything is black (maybe all your components have covers with explosions and such?) with silver/gold accents. The XBOX just blends in. <<>> If it's green, it will be hidden. I can deal with colors like white, silver, or grey. They simply don't stick out in the same way a purple, yellow, green, etc... box would. I would prefer black though. <<> Like what? You are the one that said the XBOX was big and ugly? Or did you forget? I simply said it matched other electronic components. Which it does...that is NOT a mere opinion, unless you want to argue that black doesn't match black. Stryder - ------------------------------------------------------------ My GameCube is black. I got the black one because it looks nicer than the purple one. Plus it goes well with my tuner, PS2, XBOX, and CD Player. My TV is gray, but it's hardly noticeable since you're looking at the screen and not the surroundings of the screen. My record player is gray, but it's a Yamaha, so it has a good excuse. But you know, black is beautiful. Pythagoras / TreyTable2@msn.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 18:58:21 -0500 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [NG] GBA SP - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thraxen" To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [NG] GBA SP That's what I see when I walk up to rack and look down to where the XBOX games are situated. I don't think they stick out, but maybe it's just me. Stryder - ------------------------------------------------------------------- My XBOX games don't stick out. Well, they used to, a bit, but when you get 14 or so they don't seem much of a problem. You know what really sticks out? My Robotech DVDs. Damn you ADV Films for ruining a DVD rack that will probably be seen by only five or so people. ;-) Function over Form rules the day here. I don't know what point I'm trying to make. But all I can say is that Treebeard looks exactly like I imagined him over 10 years ago. Now that's pretty spooky. Pythagoras / TreyTable2@msn.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ End of ngamers-digest V1 #72 ****************************