From: owner-ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com (ngamers-digest) To: ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: ngamers-digest V1 #90 Reply-To: ngamers Sender: owner-ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk ngamers-digest Thursday, March 13 2003 Volume 01 : Number 090 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 01:02:42 EST From: Jwelker1@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Work for stupidity - --part1_1a4.1138b85e.2b905582_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en In a message dated 2/27/03 11:40:55 PM Central Standard Time,=20 d.fentie@shaw.ca writes: > Yes I do believe that things work out if you=E2=80=99re willing to work. =20= Hell you=20 > can take a job at McDonalds and another at a grocery store. Sure you won= =E2=80=99t=20 > be making 40K a year but, hey, you=E2=80=99ll be living. Oh well maybe Tr= ey is=20 > right, if you are unemployed and can=E2=80=99t find a job right away you m= ay as=20 > well just lay down in the street and die. There=E2=80=99s no point anyway= right? >=20 Yeah. Everyone dies sooner or later. ;-) Jeremy - --part1_1a4.1138b85e.2b905582_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en In a message dated 2/27/03 11:40:55 PM Central Standar= d Time, d.fentie@shaw.ca writes:

Yes I do believe that things work out if you=E2=80=99re wil= ling to work.  Hell you can take a job at McDonalds and another at a gr= ocery store.  Sure you won=E2=80=99t be making 40K a year but, hey, you= =E2=80=99ll be living.  Oh well maybe Trey is right, if you are unemplo= yed and can=E2=80=99t find a job right away you may as well just lay down in= the street and die.  There=E2=80=99s no point anyway right?


Yeah.  Everyone dies sooner or later.  ;-)

Jeremy - --part1_1a4.1138b85e.2b905582_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:39:07 -0500 From: DarkBastion@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Work for nintendo In a message dated 2/27/2003 10:34:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, Jwelker1 writes: > Matt's just learning Chinese to score with a foreign student he saw the other day, although he didn't know that she's > really Korean. ;-) > > > > > I thought Matt was in love with some girl at EB? :-) > > Jeremy I am. But she's married. ~Matt "Reality continues to ruin my life." - - Calvin, Calvin and Hobbes [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 08:19:44 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Sharer Subject: Re: [NG] Work for nintendo - --- Vi On wrote: > > > > If not Nintendo, there's always McDonalds. They'll > hire just about anybody. > > I get more money from unemployment by the government > than people who work > at Mcdonalds. So the good side is I've been sitting > at home and playing > videogames all day. Time to go pick up Xenosaga. Heh. And yes, you need to pick up Xenosaga...I am really enjoying it. What a change of pace from Metroid which I finished for the second time last weekend. RS __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 16:02:57 -0600 From: Don Subject: [NG] Ebgames This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --Boundary_(ID_a0Wwa7VlsJMUSACp3/0fTA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Has anyone here ordered from ebgames.com? I just ordered some stuff and it says it is shipping but when I go to track the number at the fedex site for some reason it says that the number is not found. Has this ever happened to anyone? - --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/2003 - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/2003 - --Boundary_(ID_a0Wwa7VlsJMUSACp3/0fTA) Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

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- --Boundary_(ID_a0Wwa7VlsJMUSACp3/0fTA)-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:12:57 EST From: Jedcross2@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Ebgames - --part1_139.1c0ab1c6.2b952d69_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 03/03/2003 5:07:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, d.fentie@shaw.ca writes: > s anyone here ordered from ebgames.com? I just ordered some stuff and it > says it is shipping but when I go to track the number at the fedex site for > some reason it says that the number is not found. Has this ever happened > to anyone? When I ordered my Dell (the computer that I'm typing on that I got today from the purolator guy), it said that the shipment wasn't available or the information thingy even though Dell said it had been shipped. The reason for this is because there are independant truckers. - -Jed - --part1_139.1c0ab1c6.2b952d69_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 03/03/2003 5:07:37 PM Eastern Stand= ard Time, d.fentie@shaw.ca writes:


s anyone here=20= ordered from ebgames.com?  I just ordered some stuff and it says it is=20= shipping but when I go to track the number at the fedex site for some reason= it says that the number is not found.  Has this ever happened to anyon= e?

When I ordered my Dell (the computer that I'm typing on that I got today= from the purolator guy), it said that the shipment wasn't available or the=20= information thingy even though Dell said it had been shipped. The reason for= this is because there are independant truckers.

-Jed - --part1_139.1c0ab1c6.2b952d69_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:14:33 EST From: LARGEEYES@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Ebgames - --part1_de.350fc454.2b952dc9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/3/2003 5:07:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, d.fentie@shaw.ca writes: > Has anyone here ordered from ebgames.com? I just ordered some stuff and it > says it is shipping but when I go to track the number at the fedex site for > some reason it says that the number is not found. Has this ever happened > to anyone? > > Could be that it simply hasn't been picked up yet. - --part1_de.350fc454.2b952dc9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 3/3/2003 5:07:37 PM Eastern Standar= d Time, d.fentie@shaw.ca writes:

Has anyone here ordered from ebgames.com?  I just ord= ered some stuff and it says it is shipping but when I go to track the number= at the fedex site for some reason it says that the number is not found.&nbs= p; Has this ever happened to anyone?



Could be that it simply hasn't been picked up yet. - --part1_de.350fc454.2b952dc9_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 17:18:36 -0500 From: Jwelker1@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Ebgames In a message dated 3/3/2003 5:12:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, Jedcross2 writes: > When I ordered my Dell (the computer that I'm typing on that I got today from the purolator guy), it said that the shipment wasn't available or the information thingy even though Dell said it had been shipped. The reason for this is because > there are independant truckers. > > -Jed Indpendent truckers shipping FedEx stuff? That doesn't sound right. Jeremy [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 00:15:03 -0500 (EST) From: Vi On Subject: [NG] long Nintendo article I just read this article from planetgamecube http://www.planetgamecube.com/editorials.cfm?action=profile&id=120 It's a long but a very nice article. After reading it, you know why nintendo might never be #1 again. Nintendo is like Apple, it won't go out of business and there are always loyal consumers for it. - -Vi [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 00:21:44 -0600 From: "Geoff Taylor" Subject: Re: [NG] long Nintendo article Hm. Depends. Was the article written by an Apple fanboy? Geoff - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vi On" To: "n64" Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:15 PM Subject: [NG] long Nintendo article > > I just read this article from planetgamecube > http://www.planetgamecube.com/editorials.cfm?action=profile&id=120 > > It's a long but a very nice article. After reading it, you know why > nintendo might never be #1 again. Nintendo is like Apple, it won't go out > of business and there are always loyal consumers for it. > > -Vi [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 14:41:49 -0500 (EST) From: "Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr." Subject: Re: [NG] long Nintendo article I like that comparison better than likening Nintendo to Sega. Nintendo is here to stay folks! :) lloyd On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, Vi On wrote: > > I just read this article from planetgamecube > http://www.planetgamecube.com/editorials.cfm?action=profile&id=120 > > It's a long but a very nice article. After reading it, you know why > nintendo might never be #1 again. Nintendo is like Apple, it won't go out > of business and there are always loyal consumers for it. > > -Vi > > > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > sx [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 14:43:02 -0600 From: "Geoff Taylor" Subject: Re: [NG] long Nintendo article But that whole article was full of nonsense written by a fanboy. The comparisons just don't work. Then again, I never thought likening Nintendo to Sega worked either. Nintendo has always made more money from their own first and second party titles than Sega. Geoff - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr." To: "n64" Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [NG] long Nintendo article > I like that comparison better than likening Nintendo to Sega. Nintendo > is here to stay folks! :) > > > > lloyd > > > On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, Vi On wrote: > > > > > I just read this article from planetgamecube > > http://www.planetgamecube.com/editorials.cfm?action=profile&id=120 > > > > It's a long but a very nice article. After reading it, you know why > > nintendo might never be #1 again. Nintendo is like Apple, it won't go out > > of business and there are always loyal consumers for it. > > > > -Vi > > > > > > > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > > > > sx > > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 10:30:52 -0500 From: Jwelker1@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] long Nintendo article In a message dated 3/6/2003 3:43:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, geotay@charter.net writes: > > > But that whole article was full of nonsense written by a fanboy. The > comparisons just don't work. Then again, I never thought likening Nintendo > to Sega worked either. Nintendo has always made more money from their own > first and second party titles than Sega. > > > Geoff Whether it was written by a fanboy or not, I think most of the points the article made were valid. Jeremy [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 11:18:34 -0600 From: "Geoff Taylor" Subject: Re: [NG] long Nintendo article - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [NG] long Nintendo article > In a message dated 3/6/2003 3:43:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, geotay@charter.net writes: > > > > > > > But that whole article was full of nonsense written by a fanboy. The > > comparisons just don't work. Then again, I never thought likening Nintendo > > to Sega worked either. Nintendo has always made more money from their own > > first and second party titles than Sega. > > > > > > Geoff > > Whether it was written by a fanboy or not, I think most of the points the article made were valid. > > Jeremy Hm. I read 'em and I can't find any logic behind any of his points. Sorry. Geoff [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 14:47:25 -0500 From: Jwelker1@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] long Nintendo article In a message dated 3/7/2003 12:18:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, geotay@charter.net writes: > > Hm. I read 'em and I can't find any logic behind any of his points. Sorry. > > Geoff So you don't think that Nintendo hasn't relied on much of its success from first-party titles? IIRC, that's what that article said. That seems to me to be doing what they do best, as the article suggests. That's one point there. If someone would post the link again, I can provide more examples. I can't remember too much else other than the fact that many of the points seemed reasonable to me. I have hard time believing that the WHOLE article is beyond logic. Jeremy [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 12:58:14 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Sharer Subject: Re: [NG] long Nintendo article - --- Geoff Taylor wrote: > Hm. I read 'em and I can't find any logic behind > any of his points. Sorry. It's really pretty simple. Nintendo is in the business to make money, which they are doing quite well...they have no interest in being Number One, if being such requires them to lose money initially to get there. It *is* short-sighted, but you can't argue with huge profits. RS __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 13:36:57 -0800 From: "Matt MA" Subject: Re: [NG] long Nintendo article (long commentary) In regards to this article, I would like to know what the revenue and = profit numbers are for Xbox, PS2, and GC. The author leaves the impression = that GC is very profitable, but PS2 and Xbox are not. We all know that MS = is losing money on Xbox hardware, but what happens after you add in = profits from the software? The author basically says that profitability is more important than market = share. Of course that is true. What he doesn't mention is that Sony and MS = also believe in this, but they are trying to increase their market share = in order to have more profitability over the long term. Make less money = (or lose money) now, but reap huge profits in the future. Nintendo's market share has dwindled. The author implies that this is ok = because Nintendo focuses on profits, while Sony and MS are focused on = market share. I would like to see numbers to back up his point, because I = think he is a little misguided. I believe that Sony's PS2 has taken the = advantage in *both* market share *and* profitability. They have done this = with aggresive advertising and marketing. The author implies that Nintendo = doesn't do this because it's not a good way to maximize profits. I believe = that Sony is proving him wrong. "The fact is, third-party games rarely move hardware units, and it's = nearly impossible to predict any impact a single third-party title might = have on sales of other games." I would like to see some numbers to back up this point, especially since = he calls it a fact. I disagree with him. Later on he appears to contradict = this statment with the following: "Sony managed to snag a great game in Grand Theft Auto 3 (and Vice = City)..." There are tons of 3rd party PS2 games that probably move hardware units. = His statement may only apply to Nintendo, whose 1st party games probably = move a lot more consoles than the 3rd party games do. "Nintendo could never overcome Sony in sales in this generation..." We all said this during the *last* generation, with PS1 and N64. With GC, = Nintendo has basically done the same thing as before, and guess what? Same = result. Nintendo needs to look at what Sony is doing, and copy the good = things and learn from their mistakes. It appears that Nintendo does not = learn much from their own mistakes. "To "win" in the future, Nintendo would need to focus on the next = generation of consoles, and meeting or beating Sony and Microsoft to = market."=20 "Sony's head start is a large part of the reason for their dominance = today..." Nintendo came out at the same time as Xbox. That didn't help Nintendo. = Sega DC came out before everyone, and that didn't help them. Coming out = first means you have the best hardware out before everyone else, but what = the author fails to mention, is that once everyone else releases their new = systems, now you have the worst hardware out. "Nintendo needs to negate that advantage and force the consumer to pick a = console based on either brand loyalty or software selection." uhhh.... Nintendo doesn't need to force anyone to do this. Consumers = already buy PS2s because of brand loyalty *and* software selection. There are a few good points that the author makes, but nothing terribly = interesting nor new. Because he doesn't provide backup to many of his = points, he comes across as a typical Internet Critic, the same one that he = denounces at the beginning of this article. >>> vi@cs.bu.edu 03/05/03 09:15PM >>> >It's a long but a very nice article. After reading it, you know why >nintendo might never be #1 again. Nintendo is like Apple, it won't go = out >of business and there are always loyal consumers for it. My friends and I used to compare the N64 to the Mac. It gets no respect, = but it's still the best. It costs a little bit more, but hey, if you want = the best, then you have to pay a little bit more. That's ok. We don't need = a system that's #1 in market share. We just need the best system. [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 15:42:47 -0700 From: gregorys@xmission.com Subject: Re: [NG] long Nintendo article (long commentary) Quoting Matt MA : > In regards to this article, I would like to know what the revenue and > profit numbers are for Xbox, PS2, and GC. The author leaves the > impression that GC is very profitable, but PS2 and Xbox are not. We all > know that MS is losing money on Xbox hardware, but what happens after you > add in profits from the software? I've seen reports in magazine like SD Times and eWeek that state that Microsoft is losing money on the Xbox. Presumably this represents both hardware and software sales. > The author basically says that profitability is more important than > market share. Of course that is true. What he doesn't mention is that > Sony and MS also believe in this, but they are trying to increase their > market share in order to have more profitability over the long term. Make > less money (or lose money) now, but reap huge profits in the future. Does seem short-sighted on Nintendo's part. Of course, no one can predict the future, so this strategy could be categorized as "playing it safe". > Nintendo's market share has dwindled. The author implies that this is ok > because Nintendo focuses on profits, while Sony and MS are focused on > market share. I would like to see numbers to back up his point, because > I think he is a little misguided. I believe that Sony's PS2 has taken the > advantage in *both* market share *and* profitability. But are we talking gross revenue or relative ROI? I think this might be what he is talking about. > They have done this > with aggresive advertising and marketing. The author implies that > Nintendo doesn't do this because it's not a good way to maximize profits. > I believe that Sony is proving him wrong. Same question as before. > "The fact is, third-party games rarely move hardware units, and it's > nearly impossible to predict any impact a single third-party title might > have on sales of other games." > > I would like to see some numbers to back up this point, especially since > he calls it a fact. I disagree with him. Later on he appears to > contradict this statment with the following: This seems to fall under the banner of common knowledge, I don't think that this can be absolutely determined. > "Sony managed to snag a great game in Grand Theft Auto 3 (and Vice > City)..." > > There are tons of 3rd party PS2 games that probably move hardware units. > His statement may only apply to Nintendo, whose 1st party games probably > move a lot more consoles than the 3rd party games do. Most likely true. > "Nintendo could never overcome Sony in sales in this generation..." > > We all said this during the *last* generation, with PS1 and N64. With GC, > Nintendo has basically done the same thing as before, and guess what? > Same result. What is it doing the same as before? > Nintendo needs to look at what Sony is doing, and copy the > good things and learn from their mistakes. It appears that Nintendo does > not learn much from their own mistakes. Which mistakes? > "To "win" in the future, Nintendo would need to focus on the next > generation of consoles, and meeting or beating Sony and Microsoft to > market." > > "Sony's head start is a large part of the reason for their dominance > today..." > > Nintendo came out at the same time as Xbox. That didn't help Nintendo. So neither had a headstart in relation to the other. To say that Sony's year head start on both didn't count quite a bit is naive. > Sega DC came out before everyone, and that didn't help them. Consumer confidence in Sega was down after the Saturn, CD, 32x, GameGear. > Coming out first means you have the best hardware out before everyone > else, but what the author fails to mention, is that once everyone else > releases their new systems, now you have the worst hardware out. ...but a considerable lead. The fact that PS2 was backwards compatible with the PSX was also a very large factor. I sincerely hope that GC's successor is backwards compatible. > "Nintendo needs to negate that advantage and force the consumer to pick a > console based on either brand loyalty or software selection." > > uhhh.... Nintendo doesn't need to force anyone to do this. Consumers > already buy PS2s because of brand loyalty *and* software selection. Don't all consoles have brand loyalty? > There are a few good points that the author makes, but nothing terribly > interesting nor new. Because he doesn't provide backup to many of his > points, he comes across as a typical Internet Critic, the same one that > he denounces at the beginning of this article. > > My friends and I used to compare the N64 to the Mac. It gets no respect, > but it's still the best. It costs a little bit more, but hey, if you want > the best, then you have to pay a little bit more. That's ok. We don't > need a system that's #1 in market share. We just need the best system. Absolutely! Greg [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 20:06:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr." Subject: Re: [NG] long Nintendo article Could someone repost the link. Thanks lloyd On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Geoff Taylor wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 9:30 AM > Subject: Re: [NG] long Nintendo article > > > > In a message dated 3/6/2003 3:43:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, > geotay@charter.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > > But that whole article was full of nonsense written by a fanboy. The > > > comparisons just don't work. Then again, I never thought likening > Nintendo > > > to Sega worked either. Nintendo has always made more money from their > own > > > first and second party titles than Sega. > > > > > > > > > Geoff > > > > Whether it was written by a fanboy or not, I think most of the points the > article made were valid. > > > > Jeremy > > Hm. I read 'em and I can't find any logic behind any of his points. Sorry. > > Geoff > > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > sx [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 19:22:02 -0600 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] long Nintendo article > Could someone repost the link. Thanks > > > lloyd http://www.planetgamecube.com/editorials.cfm?action=profile&id=120 [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 19:20:14 -0600 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] long Nintendo article (long commentary) >>>In regards to this article, I would like to know what the revenue and profit numbers are for Xbox, PS2, and GC. The author leaves the impression that GC is very profitable, but PS2 and Xbox are not. We all know that MS is losing money on Xbox hardware, but what happens after you add in profits from the software?>>>> I'm sure the XBOX is still losing money. One, the entire Asian market is basically a total loss. Then they are still spending loads of cash on advertising, promotions, and the XBOX Live network. Basically, MS is still banking on the future. Now Sony is a different story. I have a very hard time believing that the GC is raking in more cash for Nintendo than the PS2 is for Sony. Last I had heard Sony was no longer losing cash on the PS2 hardware and we all know that PS2 software titles dominate all the sales charts in every territory. Nintendo overall is very profitable due in large part to the Gameboy and it's overpriced software. Monopolies allow you to do such things (see also MS and their overpriced PC software). But subtract out the GB profits and just compare the GC to the PS2 and I would bet that the PS2 is doing quite nicely. I'm just speculating, but this seems quite reasonable to me. Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 11:29:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr." Subject: Re: [NG] long Nintendo article (long comment I don't think Microsoft considers this generation as a wash fiscally and are preparing for Xbox 2 which is 100x more of a threat to Nintendo than the first Xbox is. the momementum could seal Nintendo out of the #2 spot indefinitely. lloyd On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Thraxen wrote: > > >>>In regards to this article, I would like to know what the revenue and > profit numbers are for Xbox, PS2, and GC. The author leaves the impression > that GC is very profitable, but PS2 and Xbox are not. We all know that MS is > losing money on Xbox hardware, but what happens after you add in profits > from the software?>>>> > > I'm sure the XBOX is still losing money. One, the entire Asian market is > basically a total loss. Then they are still spending loads of cash on > advertising, promotions, and the XBOX Live network. Basically, MS is still > banking on the future. Now Sony is a different story. I have a very hard > time believing that the GC is raking in more cash for Nintendo than the PS2 > is for Sony. Last I had heard Sony was no longer losing cash on the PS2 > hardware and we all know that PS2 software titles dominate all the sales > charts in every territory. Nintendo overall is very profitable due in large > part to the Gameboy and it's overpriced software. Monopolies allow you to > do such things (see also MS and their overpriced PC software). But subtract > out the GB profits and just compare the GC to the PS2 and I would bet that > the PS2 is doing quite nicely. I'm just speculating, but this seems quite > reasonable to me. > > Stryder > > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > sx [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:36:15 -0800 From: "Matt MA" Subject: Re: [NG] long Nintendo article (long commentary) I wrote: > Nintendo's market share has dwindled. The author implies that this is ok > because Nintendo focuses on profits, while Sony and MS are focused on > market share. I would like to see numbers to back up his point, because > I think he is a little misguided. I believe that Sony's PS2 has taken = the > advantage in *both* market share *and* profitability. Greg wrote: >But are we talking gross revenue or relative ROI? I think this might be >what he is talking about. What's relative ROI? [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:30:42 -0700 From: gregorys@xmission.com Subject: Re: [NG] long Nintendo article (long commentary) Quoting Matt MA : > I wrote: > > Nintendo's market share has dwindled. The author implies that this is > ok > > because Nintendo focuses on profits, while Sony and MS are focused on > > market share. I would like to see numbers to back up his point, > because > > I think he is a little misguided. I believe that Sony's PS2 has taken > the > > advantage in *both* market share *and* profitability. > > Greg wrote: > >But are we talking gross revenue or relative ROI? I think this might > be > >what he is talking about. > > What's relative ROI? > > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > How much they are earning in relation to how much they are spending. If they earn $100 for every $5 they spend, they are getting incredible ROI, even if their overall income is only a thousandth as much as their competition. Perhaps Sony is pulling more money than Nintendo is pulling in, but if most of it is eaten up by expenses, they may actually have less of a profit. [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:17:21 -0500 (EST) From: "Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr." Subject: Re: [NG] long Nintendo article (long commentary) I want Sony and MS to reveal not just the number of shipped units but the number SOLD. On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Matt MA wrote: > I wrote: > > Nintendo's market share has dwindled. The author implies that this is ok > > because Nintendo focuses on profits, while Sony and MS are focused on > > market share. I would like to see numbers to back up his point, because > > I think he is a little misguided. I believe that Sony's PS2 has taken the > > advantage in *both* market share *and* profitability. > > Greg wrote: > >But are we talking gross revenue or relative ROI? I think this might be > >what he is talking about. > > What's relative ROI? > > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > sx [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ End of ngamers-digest V1 #90 ****************************