From: owner-n64-digest@lists.xmission.com (n64-digest) To: n64-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: n64-digest V1 #1030 Reply-To: n64-digest Sender: owner-n64-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-n64-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk n64-digest Thursday, December 9 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1030 Re: [N64] cameras and control Re: [N64] DK help needed Re: [N64] Dave bashes FF? Re: Online gaming...yeah right Re: [N64] IGN64 talks with Nintendo Re: [N64] Dave bashes FF? Re: [N64] DK/Expansion Pak Re: [N64] DK/Expansion Pak Re: [N64] marketable games Re: [N64] DK/Expansion Pak Re: [N64] DK/Expansion Pak Re: [N64] marketable games Re: [N64] IGN64 talks with Nintendo Re: [N64] IGN64 talks with Nintendo [N64] The Thing with Expansion pack Re: [N64] marketable games [N64] Dolphin Cameo in DK64 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:53:10 -0800 From: Charles Baynes Subject: Re: [N64] cameras and control TreyTable@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 99-12-09 18:58:25 EST, you write: > > > but I usually don't stay by the > > DC station so long since it's hard for me to put up with the control (just > > to > > clarify, I'm not talking about the controller). I don't know what kinds > of > > problems people are talking about with camera angles on Mario 64 and BK, > but > > > > the camera for SA was a nightmare. > > You think thatw as bad? You were probably playing on Emerald Coast or Windy > Valley. That's nothing compared to the frustration level on the Sky Deck > levels. But it wasn't really any worse than Tick Tock Clock (I hate Tick Tock > Clock) in Mario 64. If ya play Sonic Adventure again, try to make Soinc run > in a straight line. ;) > > Dave kinda reminds me of sonic 3d blast, cool game but the control was horrid. > > [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] > [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > --Pika25chu-- ______________________________________________________ Get your free web-based email at http://www.xoom.com Birthday? Anniversary? Send FREE animated greeting cards for any occasion at http://greetings.xoom.com [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:54:47 -0800 From: Charles Baynes Subject: Re: [N64] DK help needed TreyTable@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 99-12-09 19:06:56 EST, you write: > > > Acclaim developer: "Do we want to use the Expansion Pak with this one?" > > Reply: "Hm. Yeah, better graphics. That'll do." > > RARE rulez, man. > > -Eric > > It doesn't seem justified though, sure Acclaim used for hi-res, which looked > good until you started moving, but I really couldn't tell what DK 64 used it > for, what with all that popup and everything. Some companies used the Exp pak > well, Luacs Arts did a nice job with the hi-res in Rogue Squadron & Episode 1 > Racer wiothout the framerate suffereing, same with Angel Studios & Resident > Evil 2. What RARE used the Exp Pak for boggels my mind, the graphics > (textures) don't lookm any better than BK and the popup is horrible. > > Dave another expansoin pak game that doesnt seem to use it much is shadow man still a cool game though. > > [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] > [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > --Pika25chu-- ______________________________________________________ Get your free web-based email at http://www.xoom.com Birthday? Anniversary? Send FREE animated greeting cards for any occasion at http://greetings.xoom.com [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:56:43 -0800 From: Charles Baynes Subject: Re: [N64] Dave bashes FF? TreyTable@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 99-12-09 19:41:31 EST, you write: > > > Now that's a surprise!!! From most of the posts you put on this list, I > > thought that you were all over Final Fantasy. > > -Eric- > > Anthology pissed me off and FF8 was just garbage, hard to play when the main > character has no character. Also I couldn't find a story or plot anywhere. I > also found the magic system to be lame (whyt not Techs like in Chrono Trigger > or Ether like in Xenogears, come to think of it, besides Elly's magic I never > even used anybody elses). Final Fantasy 8 strats off real slow and goes > nowhere from there. If the game centered around Seifer or even Zell it > probably would have been better. And the summons, they should be 'last > resort' spells, not something you use every turn unless you're healing. The > only Final Fantasy games I think are worth anything are Final Fantasy 4 (2 in > US) and FF7. Although FF2 probably only holds a place in my heard cos it was > the first RPG i really got into. > > Dave you didnt like part 3? that 1 was ok. > > [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] > [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > --Pika25chu-- ______________________________________________________ Get your free web-based email at http://www.xoom.com Birthday? Anniversary? Send FREE animated greeting cards for any occasion at http://greetings.xoom.com [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 23:09:19 EST From: TreyTable@aol.com Subject: Re: Online gaming...yeah right Re: [N64] IGN64 talks with Nintendo In a message dated 99-12-09 21:47:36 EST, you write: > they really need to get capcom back.....in a bad way. I'd say konami too, > but > konami has been making some great games for the 64 Although Konami and Capcom still put their best games on the PlayStation, although Capcom has so far put a tremendous effort with the Dreamcast. But that doesn't surprise me considering Capcom's support for the Saturn. Dave [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 23:10:45 EST From: TreyTable@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] Dave bashes FF? In a message dated 99-12-09 21:57:31 EST, you write: > you didnt like part 3? that 1 was ok. Don't get me started on FF3 (and especially Sabin) ;) Dave [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 23:43:49 EST From: Nutz4n64@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] DK/Expansion Pak In a message dated 12/9/99 8:01:04 PM Central Standard Time, TreyTable@aol.com writes: << It doesn't seem justified though, sure Acclaim used for hi-res, which looked good until you started moving, but I really couldn't tell what DK 64 used it for, what with all that popup and everything. Some companies used the Exp pak well, Luacs Arts did a nice job with the hi-res in Rogue Squadron & Episode 1 Racer wiothout the framerate suffereing, same with Angel Studios & Resident Evil 2. What RARE used the Exp Pak for boggels my mind, the graphics (textures) don't lookm any better than BK and the popup is horrible. Dave >> I think they needed the extra memory just to fit everything in place. The game is pretty big, as far as I can tell. Since you mentioned graphics, I'll say that maybe you don't notice anything different because DK64 didn't use the pak for hi-res. I'm glad since most developers seem to think that better graphics are the only thing that the expansion pak is good for. Keep in mind that DK64 used five different characters in eight different worlds. That would probably need a lot of memory. Well, at least that's my theory. - -Eric- [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 23:47:43 EST From: TreyTable@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] DK/Expansion Pak In a message dated 99-12-09 23:44:23 EST, you write: > Since you mentioned graphics, I'll > say that maybe you don't notice anything different because DK64 didn't use > the pak for hi-res. I'm glad since most developers seem to think that > better > graphics are the only thing that the expansion pak is good for. Keep in > mind > that DK64 used five different characters in eight different worlds. That > would probably need a lot of memory. Well, at least that's my theory. > -Eric- You probably won't like my theory. Sloppy programming. Dave [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 23:50:24 EST From: Nutz4n64@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] marketable games In a message dated 12/9/99 8:49:27 PM Central Standard Time, pika25chu@xoommail.com writes: << replay value depends largely on the gamer as well, i personally cant get enough of games like zelda 64. >> I'll still occasionally replay an entire game of Mario 64, BK, DKR, or whatever. If you stay away from a game long enough after beating it, then play it again, it's just as cool as the first time. At least for me. - -Eric- [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 23:53:27 EST From: Nutz4n64@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] DK/Expansion Pak In a message dated 12/9/99 10:48:12 PM Central Standard Time, TreyTable@aol.com writes: << You probably won't like my theory. Sloppy programming. Dave >> Well, whatever. Personally, I can stand things like pop-up. So, I guess I'm not as bothered by it as you are. - -Eric- [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 23:58:55 EST From: TreyTable@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] DK/Expansion Pak In a message dated 99-12-09 23:53:55 EST, you write: > Well, whatever. Personally, I can stand things like pop-up. So, I guess I' > m > not as bothered by it as you are. > -Eric- > Oh well. Hey all you happy go louck Dreamcast & PlayStation owers, I think there's three of us? ;) Anyway, I'll make this short. Like fighting games? Then do yourself a favor and get the DreamStation. It works great. Playing Soul Calibur on the Dual Shock is awesome, i can actually do all of Cervantes' moves now. Peace. Dave [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 21:24:08 -0800 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [N64] marketable games > > Oh, believe me. This debate will go on for a long time. In fact, it's > nearly unavoidable on this list. I'm pretty much the same way. I hate it > when people *cough* Dave *cough hack* bash Nintendo. I don't understand why > people say kiddie system anyway. It is an easy way to dismiss something. Its really silly if you get down to it. but unfortunatelly, people legitimize it by arguing when people make those statements, i'm as guilty as the next person. > So, it has some cartoonish themes. It's > fun, which is what a game is supposed to be. Besides, how many six year olds > do you think would miss certain jokes in BK. Particularly, (my favorite) > Trunker, the desert tree, saying that he's dried up and Kazooie saying,"How's > your nuts?" Classic Kazooie remark. I hope to hear more in B-Tooie. > -Eric- > > [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] > [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 21:25:42 -0800 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [N64] IGN64 talks with Nintendo > > Don't forget the guy that flushed four GB games down the toilet. It is true > about the daily wear and tear issue. When I get Dolphin, I'm actually going > to have to take care of my games instead of leaving them all over the place. > -Eric- I think Sony and Nintendo will devise some nice caddies for it. but yeah, handling the disk between the cady and the console is dangerous. :-) Dexter > > > [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] > [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 21:28:11 -0800 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [N64] IGN64 talks with Nintendo > > believe it or not i once went swimming with a gb cart in my pocket(this was in > the ocean!) and the thing STILL worked! Yo Charles, send a letter to nintendo power so they may post it :-) noapulse@nintendo.com Dexter > > [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 21:45:21 -0800 From: Dexter Sy Subject: [N64] The Thing with Expansion pack Ok, a lot of comments on expansion pack. but let me just clarify things. A game that supports RAM expansion doesnt mean it will arrive with better graphics. I think we were spoiled by Acclaim which used it for high-resolution, high texture games. The RAM expansion is just that, it adds 4 extra megs to the N64's main 4 meg meory, totalling to 8 megs. Wih this extra memory, developers can choose to triple buffer their games, (which essentially means storing 2 frames of data in the memory before it is drawn on screen). Almost all the graphics you see in games are double buffered, meaning the cpu keeps one frame of the animation in memory at all times. in essence, what you're seeing on screen isn't what the cpu is drawing because as you see say, mario jumping, the cpu already has the second frame of animation in memory ready to throw on screen, while it is receiving information from the controller and is in the process of drawing the third frame. This happens in microseconds so you don't notice it. after all, most 2-D games supports 15 to 20 fps. So what is the deal with triple buffering? well, this just means the cpu puts out three frames of animation-- the first one is the one you see, the second and third and stored in memory and it is drawing the fouth. Like REAL AUDIO or REAL VIDEO's buffering modes, the cpu essentially gives itself a running start before it starts displaying stuff on screen, in the case of triple buffering, its got a 3 frame headstart. What this ultimately achives is the cpu don't have to work like mad to throw stuff on screen. since it takes longer to get through the amount of screens in the buffer, the cpu can take more time to draw a frame of animation, thus, making it a lot easier to draw in high resolution. High res graphics also means high-res textures, so the extra 4 megs of ram is used up pretty much handling those two tasks. *note that when the n64 is running on high resolution, it essentially works twice as hard to display a 640X480 pixel frame as opposed to the 320X240 pixel frame (i'm not too sure on the normal res, so correct me if i'm wrong) That of course is just O N E way of using the RAM expansion. Developers may decide to triple buffer a game and not run it on high-res, which allows them to put more polygons on screen, allows for smoother animation, but doesn't guarantee no pop ups. Unless the design team decides to spend all the extra polygons they can draw on making pop-up less noticable, pop up will occur. I have a feeling RARE triple buffered DK64, but used the extra polygons they can draw on drawing more objects on screen w/ higher polycounts and more special effects... It looks as if Gaiden might do the opposite. Since Ocarina of Time is known for little pop ups, the Gaiden team will likely use the extra polys they can draw to put a little more polygons onscreen that Ocarina, but also making sure the pop up doesn't happen. From the screesn we see so far, it is clear Gaiden is much more polygon heavy than Ocarina. some of the areas are just gorgeous and a lot bigger and wider than the towns in ocarina. Phew... Dexter [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 21:42:39 -0800 From: Charles Baynes Subject: Re: [N64] marketable games Nutz4n64@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/9/99 8:49:27 PM Central Standard Time, > pika25chu@xoommail.com writes: > > << replay value depends largely on the gamer as well, i personally cant get > enough > of games like zelda 64. >> > > I'll still occasionally replay an entire game of Mario 64, BK, DKR, or > whatever. If you stay away from a game long enough after beating it, then > play it again, it's just as cool as the first time. At least for me. > -Eric- same here > > [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] > [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > --Pika25chu-- ______________________________________________________ Get your free web-based email at http://www.xoom.com Birthday? Anniversary? Send FREE animated greeting cards for any occasion at http://greetings.xoom.com [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 21:56:12 -0800 From: Dexter Sy Subject: [N64] Dolphin Cameo in DK64 - --------------61F7B37198147528B58AB76C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those who have yet to play Donkey Kong 64 or didn't Notice, there is a picture of a dolphin in Donkey Kong's house. Here is a picture, courtesy of Nintendo. [Lost in the DK Isles] Dexter - --------------61F7B37198147528B58AB76C Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------68CF42429FF3A322C37BC7A7" - --------------68CF42429FF3A322C37BC7A7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those who have yet to play Donkey Kong 64 or didn't Notice,
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Here is a picture, courtesy of Nintendo.

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