From: owner-n64-digest@lists.xmission.com (n64-digest) To: n64-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: n64-digest V1 #1099 Reply-To: n64-digest Sender: owner-n64-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-n64-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk n64-digest Sunday, February 6 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1099 [N64] Sorry for sending it twice I pressed the back button Re: [N64] THE FINAL DECISION (a must read) Re: [N64] THE FINAL DECISION (a must read) Re: [N64] THE FINAL DECISION (a must read) Re: [N64] THE FINAL DECISION (a must read) Re: [N64] THE FINAL DECISION (a must read) Re: [N64] BFD Re: [N64] THE FINAL DECISION (a must read) [N64] Miyamoto's gameography Re: [N64] THE FINAL DECISION (a must read) Re: [N64] Miyamoto's gameography Re: [N64] THE FINAL DECISION (a must read) Re: [N64] Miyamoto's gameography Re: [N64] THE FINAL DECISION (a must read) Re: [N64] Miyamoto's gameography Re: [N64] THE FINAL DECISION (a must read) Re: [N64] Miyamoto's gameography Re: [N64] THE FINAL DECISION (a must read) Re: [N64] THE FINAL DECISION (a must read) Re: [N64] THE FINAL DECISION (a must read) Re: [N64] THE FINAL DECISION (a must read) Re: [N64] THE FINAL DECISION (a must read) [N64] NeoGeo Pocket Re: [N64] NeoGeo Pocket Re: [N64] THE FINAL DECISION (a must read) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 18:44:16 GMT From: "The One Armed Man" Subject: [N64] Sorry for sending it twice I pressed the back button Sorry about that I pressed the back button and it sent again. Cheers, Jimmy (A.K.A. Del Monte 3) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 13:50:12 EST From: Tiptup35@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] THE FINAL DECISION (a must read) If I had to choose between the Dolphin or PS2 I would probably choose the Dolphin. Why you ask? Well I have always been a big zelda fan and a fan of some of the other nintendo games. It"s true that PS2 may have square in their corner for now, but that could change soon, because square recently were quoted at saying how impressed they were with the Dolphin specs. But as for the games the Dolphin would be the machine that I would buy if I had to choose. Just my opinion. Thanks Jeff ( tiptup35@aol.com) [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 13:28:45 -0600 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [N64] THE FINAL DECISION (a must read) - ----- Original Message ----- From: The One Armed Man To: Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2000 12:37 PM Subject: [N64] THE FINAL DECISION (a must read) > ********The Mother of All Questions********* > > > I am asking this question to everyone in the list. Now that the list is > open to all consoles I can final ask this. Please respond I am very > interested on your opinions. > > IF YOU COULD ONLY BUY ONE, which system are you going to buy. PS2 or > DOLPHIN, and why? > (this is like exam week all over again) Right now...it would likely be the PS2. Mainly because ther Dolphin has yet to actually appear. No specs, no screenshots, no real release date...so all I have to really go on is my satifaction with the PSX and N64....PSX wins that one easily. > Also who,in your opinion, is the best developer of all time, and why? > (ie. Square, Rare etc.) All time? It would have to be Nintendo. Mario series, Metroid series, Zelda series. They win fairly easily with a good showing by Square. Those 3 series by Nintendo are the only things that would give me pause when buying the PS2 if I could only get the PS2 or Dolphin. Stryder [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 15:03:02 EST From: Devil929@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] THE FINAL DECISION (a must read) To answer the questions, the Dolphin and Nintendo. Sony's machine has never offered me anything of decent gaming value and from the looks of it, the PS2 is more of the same, controllers and everything. And considering where Nintendo goes, Rare goes, in addition to an equal format this time around, well, there's no question for me. Of course, a $200 price tag helps things. - -aldo m. [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 15:15:43 EST From: TreyTable@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] THE FINAL DECISION (a must read) In a message dated 2/5/00 1:38:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, del_monte_3@hotmail.com writes: > ********The Mother of All Questions********* > > > I am asking this question to everyone in the list. Now that the list is > open to all consoles I can final ask this. Please respond I am very > interested on your opinions. > > IF YOU COULD ONLY BUY ONE, which system are you going to buy. PS2 or > DOLPHIN, and why? > (this is like exam week all over again) > I'd buy a PlayStation 2. Why? Cos it's the more expensive of the two. I'd be more likely to get a Dolphin as a gift than a PlayStation 2. There's isn't a PSX2 title I can shout out about that I see as a must have, but then again I didn't know what to want for the Dreamcast until after the Japanese launch. But Armored Core 2 and Street Fighter EX 3 do look sweet. And if Gran Turismo 2000 is a different game than GT2, maybe too. But the fact of the matter is that the PSX2 is tangible hardware, and for all we know the Dolphin could be just more smoke Big N is blowing up our arses. Like choosing between something or nothing at this point. > Also who,in your opinion, is the best developer of all time, and why? > (ie. Square, Rare etc.) > That's too tough of a question. Part of me goes towards Nintendo, although still another part aims towards Konami, and yet a third part goes with Capcom. I can't answer that question. Dave Tell me my life is about to begin Tell me that I'm a hero Promise me all of your violent dreams Light up your body with anger - -- Genesis [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 16:52:00 EST From: BYU50@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] THE FINAL DECISION (a must read) I would have to go with the Dolphin. Having played both N64 and playstation, I have enjoyed Nintendo a lot more than playstation for everything from the controllers, to the games themselves. Don't get mewrong, PSX is a great system, but I'm a diehard Nintendo fan, and I'm eager to see what the Dolphin has to offer. Also remeber, that this is of right now. My mind could very well be changed by the time the Dolphin is available. As for developers, Nintendo and Rare. I am a fan of the Zelda series, and Goldeneye ain't bad either. ~~~ Nate (BYU50@aol.com) [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 19:04:52 EST From: Nutz4n64@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] BFD In a message dated 02/05/2000 3:25:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, alexh@ivanhoe.starway.net.au writes: << Yes Banjo is definately aimed at the mainstream. They tried very hard not offend any particular audience group. The end result: boring. >> Interesting theory. I would've said: fun. - -Eric- [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 19:18:09 EST From: Nutz4n64@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] THE FINAL DECISION (a must read) In a message dated 02/05/2000 10:38:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, del_monte_3@hotmail.com writes: << IF YOU COULD ONLY BUY ONE, which system are you going to buy. PS2 or DOLPHIN, and why? (this is like exam week all over again) Also who,in your opinion, is the best developer of all time, and why? (ie. Square, Rare etc.) Just as of right now your personal opinion, none of this I'll have to wait and see crap. From today if you had to buy only one which would it be. >> 1) Dolphin. It's more than system specs, it's the fact that I love and respect Nintendo (hence, my AOL name). They have hardly ever disappointed me before and they have Miyamoto, the undisputed king of the video game world. They can make some of the best platformers and adventures (ie, Super Mario 64, Zelda, etc.). Another thing, they have Pokemon. Pokemon is basically a sacred franchise with me that is more than certain to hit the Dolphin. I gotta have it all. 2) Rare. The makers of some of my favorite N64 games and the old DKC games. With games like Goldeneye, Banjo-Kazooie, DKR, and Jet Force Gemini, and with great looking games to come like Perfect Dark, Banjo-Tooie, and the seemingly hilariously redone Conker's Bad Fur Day, Rare is the best. Thanks for your time. - -Eric- [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 21:16:58 EST From: Bastion007@aol.com Subject: [N64] Miyamoto's gameography I was surfing the web today and found Miyamoto's Shockwave-enhanced gameography at Nintendo's official website. You can click here for it, or surf the official Zelda web page at www.zelda64.com ~Matt [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 22:26:49 EST From: FoxSnipe@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] THE FINAL DECISION (a must read) I would have get the Dolphin. I was disappointed with N64 but still love it. You know why? Because it's got Zelda, Donkey Kong, Perfect Dark, and other great games that's going to come out or already has on the N64. Even if it doesn't win the third party developer's popularity, even if it doesn't have all the fancy RPGs (Which I love), the N64 is something I'm going to remember forever. Nintendo's got the games that makes them competitive. With, or without other developer's games. I expect no less from Dolphin. I've been playing Nintendo games my whole life, and i'm not about to change that any time soon. The best videogame developer's got to be Nintendo. They were the true pioneers of videogames. Thery're the ones that made gaming a true genre of entertainment. And they make the absolute best. Where would the industry be without their innovations....... [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 22:32:49 EST From: TreyTable@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] Miyamoto's gameography In a message dated 2/5/00 9:17:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, Bastion007@aol.com writes: > I was surfing the web today and found Miyamoto's Shockwave-enhanced > gameography at Nintendo's official website. You can click here for it, or > surf the official Zelda web page at www.zelda64.com > > ~Matt Strange, no mention of the real Super Mario Bros. 2. And including Yoshi's Story on the list? That's a Takashi Tezuka game, not a Miyamoto game, if you ask me. It's just too bad that Takashi Tezuka didn't learn very much when working for Miyamoto in Yoshi's Island. Dave Your hands and feet are mangos You're gonna be a genius anyway - - Phish [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 22:38:43 EST From: TreyTable@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] THE FINAL DECISION (a must read) In a message dated 2/5/00 10:27:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, FoxSnipe@aol.com writes: > The best videogame developer's got to be Nintendo. OK > They were the true > pioneers of Videogames. I disagree. Nintendo would still be running bowling alleys if it wasn't for people like Nolan Bushnell and Ralph Baer. Nintendo was just the next step in the evolution. > Thery're the ones that made gaming a true genre of > entertainment. I'd have to say that goes to Atari also. > And they make the absolute best. Where would the industry be > without their innovations....... Probably singing the praises of Yu Suzuki and Yuji Naka. Dave Your hands and feet are mangos You're gonna be a genius anyway - - Phish [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 14:45:42 +1100 From: Alex Subject: Re: [N64] Miyamoto's gameography At 22:32 05-02-00 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 2/5/00 9:17:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, >Bastion007@aol.com writes: > >> I was surfing the web today and found Miyamoto's Shockwave-enhanced >> gameography at Nintendo's official website. You can HREF="http://www.zelda64.com/lz_tl_frameset.htm">click here for it, or >> surf the official Zelda web page at www.zelda64.com >> >> ~Matt > >Strange, no mention of the real Super Mario Bros. 2. And including Yoshi's >Story on the list? That's a Takashi Tezuka game, not a Miyamoto game, if you >ask me. It's just too bad that Takashi Tezuka didn't learn very much when >working for Miyamoto in Yoshi's Island. > >Dave > Miyamoto is credited as Producer for Yoshi's Story. What makes you think Miyamoto did SMB2j? He may not have worked on it at all a la Zelda2. alexh@ivanhoe.starway.net.au [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 21:45:53 -0600 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [N64] THE FINAL DECISION (a must read) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2000 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [N64] THE FINAL DECISION (a must read) > I disagree. Nintendo would still be running bowling alleys if it wasn't for > people like Nolan Bushnell and Ralph Baer. Nintendo was just the next step in > the evolution. > > > Thery're the ones that made gaming a true genre of > > entertainment. > > I'd have to say that goes to Atari also. I would say Nintendo is responsible for the revivial of the industry as opposed to creating it. Atari died and so did the industry. Stryder [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 22:48:54 EST From: TreyTable@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] Miyamoto's gameography In a message dated 2/5/00 10:42:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, alexh@ivanhoe.starway.net.au writes: > Miyamoto is credited as Producer for Yoshi's Story. What makes you think > Miyamoto did SMB2j? He may not have worked on it at all a la Zelda2. > Well, he is credited for Super Mario All Stars. I just want to know who did it, that's all. Miyamoto is credited as the producer of Zelda 2, I think he did work on it. I always wondered about something, in a Miyamoto game you usually only see his name once in the credits, but for example Metal Gear Solid you see Hideo Kojima's name all over the place, I wonders, why? Is it that he just directs and supervises or does he actually do a lot of other stuff but just not take individual credit for each thing? Dave Tell me my life is about to begin Tell me that I'm a hero Promise me all of your violent dreams Light up your body with anger - -- Genesis [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 22:50:53 EST From: TreyTable@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] THE FINAL DECISION (a must read) In a message dated 2/5/00 10:48:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, thraxen@ipa.net writes: > I would say Nintendo is responsible for the revival of the industry as > opposed to creating it. Atari died and so did the industry. > > Stryder Atari didn't die, it just fell asleep, and woke up all cut up. [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 15:16:27 +1100 From: Alex Subject: Re: [N64] Miyamoto's gameography At 22:48 05-02-00 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 2/5/00 10:42:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, >alexh@ivanhoe.starway.net.au writes: > >> Miyamoto is credited as Producer for Yoshi's Story. What makes you think >> Miyamoto did SMB2j? He may not have worked on it at all a la Zelda2. >> > >Well, he is credited for Super Mario All Stars. I just want to know who did >it, that's all. Miyamoto is credited as the producer of Zelda 2, I think he >did work on it. I always wondered about something, in a Miyamoto game you >usually only see his name once in the credits, but for example Metal Gear >Solid you see Hideo Kojima's name all over the place, I wonders, why? Is it >that he just directs and supervises or does he actually do a lot of other >stuff but just not take individual credit for each thing? > >Dave > Being credited as producer basically means he gets credit for everything in the game. What sort of work he actually does we can only guess. He's probably something like a director of the film industry. Since there is no convention for videogame credits, different companies like Konami w/ MGS do things differently. alexh@ivanhoe.starway.net.au [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 00:46:15 EST From: Bastion007@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] THE FINAL DECISION (a must read) I think your wrong on all 3 accounts here, Dave. For one, yes, Nolan Busnell and others did help pioneer video gaming. But if you remember, Nintendo successfully brought the industry back from the dead thanks to those guys. They made video games successful despite the utter failure of Atari. While Atari may have made games a true form of accepted entertainment, they went bust, and no one would have played games for a very, VERY long time if it were not for Nintendo. And where would Yu Suzuki and Yuji Naka be known from if it weren't for Nintendo's machines? ~Matt <<> The best videogame developer's got to be Nintendo. OK > They were the true > pioneers of Videogames. I disagree. Nintendo would still be running bowling alleys if it wasn't for people like Nolan Bushnell and Ralph Baer. Nintendo was just the next step in the evolution. > Thery're the ones that made gaming a true genre of > entertainment. I'd have to say that goes to Atari also. > And they make the absolute best. Where would the industry be > without their innovations....... Probably singing the praises of Yu Suzuki and Yuji Naka. Dave Your hands and feet are mangos You're gonna be a genius anyway - - Phish>> [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 01:24:22 EST From: TreyTable@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] THE FINAL DECISION (a must read) In a message dated 2/6/00 12:46:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, Bastion007@aol.com writes: > I think your wrong on all 3 accounts here, Dave. For one, yes, Nolan Bushnell > and others did help pioneer video gaming. The guy said Nintendo pioneered Videogames, I think he meant console Videogames. but the definition of a pioneer is a person or group that originates or helps open up a new line of thought or activity or a new method or technical development. And that I believe that falls on the shoulders of Atari. Nintendo did bring back the industry from a state of near death, but they did not pioneer it. > But if you remember, Nintendo > successfully brought the industry back from the dead thanks to those guys. Don't blame Bushnell for the demise of Atari, that was all the WB. > They made video games successful despite the utter failure of Atari. Utter failure of Atari??? Sure they hit rock bottom in 1983, but a failure? That's a bit harsh. > While > Atari may have made games a true form of accepted entertainment, they went > bust, and no one would have played games for a very, VERY long time if it > were not for Nintendo. I don't know about that. I'm sure somebody (SEGA maybe) would have stepped into the ring if Nintendo didn't. > And where would Yu Suzuki and Yuji Naka be known from > > if it weren't for Nintendo's machines? I'm gonna have to guess SEGA's machines. Or PCs. PCs would still get more powerful as the years went by, anybody will agree with that. And games have been on PCs since like (forever?) a long time. So even without Nintendo I'm willing to bet that Videogames would not have stayed dormant. Who knows? Perhaps Commodore would have gotten into the console market and whipped the 7800 three ways standing. (Local saying as far as I know) Or you could say that it could have beaten Atari like a redheaded stepchild. Dave Your hands and feet are mangos You're gonna be a genius anyway - - Phish [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 17:58:11 +1100 From: Alex Subject: Re: [N64] THE FINAL DECISION (a must read) At 01:24 06-02-00 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 2/6/00 12:46:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, >Bastion007@aol.com writes: > >> I think your wrong on all 3 accounts here, Dave. For one, yes, Nolan >Bushnell >> and others did help pioneer video gaming. > >The guy said Nintendo pioneered Videogames, I think he meant console >Videogames. but the definition of a pioneer is a person or group that >originates or helps open up a new line of thought or activity or a new method >or technical development. > >And that I believe that falls on the shoulders of Atari. Nintendo did bring >back the industry from a state of near death, but they did not pioneer it. > Nintendo pioneered post-Atari videogaming. Nintendo made the industry what it was before Sony's influence. > >> But if you remember, Nintendo >> successfully brought the industry back from the dead thanks to those guys. > >Don't blame Bushnell for the demise of Atari, that was all the WB. > >> They made video games successful despite the utter failure of Atari. > >Utter failure of Atari??? Sure they hit rock bottom in 1983, but a failure? >That's a bit harsh. > >> While >> Atari may have made games a true form of accepted entertainment, they went >> bust, and no one would have played games for a very, VERY long time if it >> were not for Nintendo. > >I don't know about that. > >I'm sure somebody (SEGA maybe) would have stepped into the ring if Nintendo >didn't. > > >> And where would Yu Suzuki and Yuji Naka be known from >> >> if it weren't for Nintendo's machines? > >I'm gonna have to guess SEGA's machines. Or PCs. PCs would still get more >powerful as the years went by, anybody will agree with that. And games have >been on PCs since like (forever?) a long time. So even without Nintendo I'm >willing to bet that Videogames would not have stayed dormant. Who knows? >Perhaps Commodore would have gotten into the console market and whipped the >7800 three ways standing. (Local saying as far as I know) Or you could say >that it could have beaten Atari like a redheaded stepchild. > >Dave The PC market is pathetic and would be nothing without influence from consoles. Remember id's first game? Commander Keen, a game which draws from Mario. If id hadn't had success with Keen, would they have made Wolfenstein and DOOM? And the first person genre didn't really go anywhere until Goldeneye. Resource management games would be all we'd be playng. alexh@ivanhoe.starway.net.au [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 03:03:00 -0600 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [N64] THE FINAL DECISION (a must read) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex To: Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 12:58 AM Subject: Re: [N64] THE FINAL DECISION (a must read) > The PC market is pathetic and would be nothing without influence from > consoles. Remember id's first game? Commander Keen, a game which draws from > Mario. If id hadn't had success with Keen, would they have made Wolfenstein > and DOOM? And the first person genre didn't really go anywhere until > Goldeneye. Resource management games would be all we'd be playng. Ok...saying that the PC market is pathetic is rather harsh. I do personally think that PC games are largely unoriginal compared to console games, but to say the entire market is pathetic is plain stupid. Also, trying to equate id's success with Mario is lame. Also, I do love Goldeneye...but it is not responsible for the movement of the first person genre. It may have helped the popularity of 'spy' type shooters, but I don't think it has any influence on the games like Quake 3: Arena and Unreal Tournament...which are the 2 most popular at this point. Stryder [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 22:47:55 +1100 From: Alex Subject: Re: [N64] THE FINAL DECISION (a must read) At 03:03 06-02-00 -0600, you wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Alex >To: >Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 12:58 AM >Subject: Re: [N64] THE FINAL DECISION (a must read) > > >> The PC market is pathetic and would be nothing without influence from >> consoles. Remember id's first game? Commander Keen, a game which draws >from >> Mario. If id hadn't had success with Keen, would they have made >Wolfenstein >> and DOOM? And the first person genre didn't really go anywhere until >> Goldeneye. Resource management games would be all we'd be playng. > >Ok...saying that the PC market is pathetic is rather harsh. I do personally >think that PC games are largely unoriginal compared to console games, but to >say the entire market is pathetic is plain stupid. Also, trying to equate >id's success with Mario is lame. Also, I do love Goldeneye...but it is not >responsible for the movement of the first person genre. It may have helped >the popularity of 'spy' type shooters, but I don't think it has any >influence on the games like Quake 3: Arena and Unreal Tournament...which are >the 2 most popular at this point. > > >Stryder > Playing Mario is what inspired young Romero and Carmack to start making games. Most shareware games around that time were similiar 2d platformers, and the shareware concept is what made wolfenstein and Doom successful. My point is you can't just say "if Nintendo didn't come along, someone else would have". If it were someone else then things today would be much different. alexh@ivanhoe.starway.net.au [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 13:00:33 -0500 (EST) From: Vi On Subject: [N64] NeoGeo Pocket Does anyone here own a neogeo pocket? Or do most of you think this system will die pretty soon like the game.com thing. Match of the Millenium Capcom vs SNK seems pretty good. - -Vi [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 13:02:50 EST From: Devil929@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] NeoGeo Pocket I honestly don't see the Neo Geo lasting very long against the GBC. Developer support is still limited, publicity has been less than stellar, and with the introduction of the GameBoy Advance in nine months, I don't see it really hanging on there. - -aldo m. [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 13:10:01 -0500 From: "Eddy Wu" Subject: Re: [N64] THE FINAL DECISION (a must read) I guess I would get the Dolphin, if it really came down to that. From the specs that have been announced, it will at least be technically more powerful than PSX2. And while no games have been announced, it's pretty close to a lock that there will be Zelda, Mario, and Pokemon, which guarantees some good games. Plus, the best developer in the world (this answers the second question), EAD-Nintendo, is an exclusive developer for the Dolphin. While I haven't been completely satisfied with the N64, I don't have any major complaints (well, the only one would be the price of the games). There's also the question of whether there were any games on either the PSX or the N64 that I would have felt bad for missing, and there are just a lot more N64 games like that. If I hadn't played Zelda 64 or Mario 64, I would have felt worse than not being able to play the FFs or GT or MGS. [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ End of n64-digest V1 #1099 ************************** [ To quit the n64-digest mailing list (big mistake), send the message ] [ "unsubscribe n64-digest" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ]