From: owner-n64-digest@lists.xmission.com (n64-digest) To: n64-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: n64-digest V1 #1238 Reply-To: n64-digest Sender: owner-n64-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-n64-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk n64-digest Tuesday, May 23 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1238 Re: [N64] RE: [N64] DIGimon Re: [N64] RE: [N64] DIGimon =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20[N64]=20Bad=20news=20for=20Pok=E9mon?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20[N64]=20Bad=20news=20for=20Pok=E9mon?= Re: [N64] Bad news for Pokémon Re: [N64] Bad news for =?iso-8859-1?Q?Pok=E9mon?= Re: [N64] Bad news for Pokémon =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20[N64]=20Bad=20news=20for=20Pok=E9mon?= Re: [N64] Bad news for Pokémon Re: [N64] Cartoons to video games Re: [N64] RE: [N64] DIGimon Re: [N64] Nintendo on top in Japan, odd eh? Re: [N64] Nintendo on top in Japan, odd eh? Re: [N64] Cartoons to video games Re: [N64] Nintendo on top in Japan, odd eh? Re: [N64] Nintendo on top in Japan, odd eh? Re: [N64] Nintendo on top in Japan, odd eh? Re: [N64] Cartoons to video games [N64] VERY DUMB QUESTION Re: [N64] Nintendo on top in Japan, odd eh? Re: [N64] VERY DUMB QUESTION Re: [N64] Nintendo on top in Japan, odd eh? Re: [N64] Nintendo on top in Japan, odd eh? Re: [N64] Nintendo on top in Japan, odd eh? Re: [N64] Nintendo on top in Japan, odd eh? Re: [N64] Nintendo on top in Japan, odd eh? [N64] Perfect Dark contest [N64] Even more on PS2 trolls ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 19:36:24 EDT From: "Jed Cross" Subject: Re: [N64] RE: [N64] DIGimon It is pretty easy to see how one >could have led to the other...I would also bet that a lot of the same >people >that are into one are into the other. > > >Stryder Pokemon came out into the world in the 70's, read the 2000 gamers buyers guide, "the history of gaming" - -Jed ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 17:07:45 -0700 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [N64] RE: [N64] DIGimon > > > I doubt they are completely unrelated. It is pretty easy to see how one > could have led to the other...I would also bet that a lot of the same people > that are into one are into the other. > > Stryder Tamagotchi was more of a girl's thing, especially with the nurturing aspect. Pokemon is by far the more gender neutral of the two, although males still outnumber females. - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 20:36:12 EDT From: FaIlenArchangel@aol.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20[N64]=20Bad=20news=20for=20Pok=E9mon?= Of course, that all depends on opinion. Digimon may have been a copy,=20 but it sure has become the better of the two IMO. Right now, anything that=20 has to do with Pikachu, Meowth and Jigglypuff is something bad. Meowth and=20 Jigglypuff being the worst while Pikachu is not as bad. Usually I would hav= e=20 nothing against the two, but the reruns that Kids WB have been putting out=20 has put a sick taste in my mouth when it comes to those particular pokemon.=20= =20 Meowth week...Jigglypuff week...*shudder* ~Cy In a message dated 5/21/00 6:11:37 PM Mountain Daylight Time,=20 Nutz4n64@aol.com writes: << A show that was made pretty much as a copy of Pok=E9mon to capitalize on=20 it's=20 popularity. Similar to the move Sony made with Monster Rancher. If it=20 doesn't have Pikachu, Meowth, or Jigglypuff, forget it. -Eric- >> [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 20:50:58 EDT From: Nutz4n64@aol.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20[N64]=20Bad=20news=20for=20Pok=E9mon?= In a message dated 05/22/2000 5:37:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time,=20 FaIlenArchangel@aol.com writes: << Of course, that all depends on opinion. Digimon may have been a copy= ,=20 but it sure has become the better of the two IMO. Right now, anything that= =20 has to do with Pikachu, Meowth and Jigglypuff is something bad. Meowth and= =20 Jigglypuff being the worst while Pikachu is not as bad. Usually I would=20 have=20 nothing against the two, but the reruns that Kids WB have been putting out=20 has put a sick taste in my mouth when it comes to those particular pok=E9mo= n. =20 Meowth week...Jigglypuff week...*shudder* =20 ~Cy >> Of course, the theme weeks. I like Pok=E9mon better, but we concur that the= =20 theme weeks stink. If Kids WB wants to keep the fans, they have to realize=20 what they want. I'm at school in the morning, so I can't watch during the=20 theme weeks, but it pains me to know they're still rampant. - -Eric- [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 23:02:23 EDT From: "Jed Cross" Subject: Re: [N64] Bad news for Pokémon >Of course, the theme weeks. I like Pokémon better, but we concur that the >theme weeks stink. If Kids WB wants to keep the fans, they have to realize >what they want. I'm at school in the morning, so I can't watch during the >theme weeks, but it pains me to know they're still rampant. >-Eric- I watched Kids WB because BATMAN was on it, Superman stunk, and Pokémon was good, but not good, get where I'm goin'? the way pokémon is, it was too childish, but the storyline in some episodes was okay. Think that the batman game on N64 is gonna be as bad as superman? - -Jed ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 20:12:59 -0700 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [N64] Bad news for =?iso-8859-1?Q?Pok=E9mon?= > > I watched Kids WB because BATMAN was on it, Superman stunk, and Pokémon was > good, but not good, get where I'm goin'? the way pokémon is, it was too > childish, but the storyline in some episodes was okay. Think that the batman > game on N64 is gonna be as bad as superman? > > -Jed > Yes. Probably a little better, but not much. - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 23:18:42 EDT From: "Jed Cross" Subject: Re: [N64] Bad news for Pokémon >Yes. Probably a little better, but not much. It would be neat if you could take the batmoble and drive anywhere, or the batwing or anything and even use your grappling hook with ease, the way link used his hookshot in Zelda 64 but it should be improved - -Jed ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 23:19:25 EDT From: Nutz4n64@aol.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20[N64]=20Bad=20news=20for=20Pok=E9mon?= In a message dated 05/22/2000 8:03:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time,=20 jedcross@hotmail.com writes: << I watched Kids WB because BATMAN was on it, Superman stunk, and Pok=E9mon= =20 was=20 good, but not good, get where I'm goin'? the way pok=E9mon is, it was too=20 childish, but the storyline in some episodes was okay. Think that the batma= n=20 game on N64 is gonna be as bad as superman? =20 -Jed >> Pok=E9mon may seem like the average little kiddies show at first glance, but= =20 coming down to it, you either like it or you don't. I thought pretty much=20 the same way you did about it a year and a half ago, but that changed after=20= a=20 while. As for the Batman game, I've never played Superman as I've never=20 wanted to, so I have no basis for that. - -Eric- [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 23:32:35 EDT From: "Jed Cross" Subject: Re: [N64] Bad news for Pokémon >Pokémon may seem like the average little kiddies show at first glance, but >coming down to it, you either like it or you don't. I thought pretty much >the same way you did about it a year and a half ago, but that changed after >a >while. As for the Batman game, I've never played Superman as I've never >wanted to, so I have no basis for that. >-Eric- What about pinky and the brain? That was a good show, until they added elmyra, imagine, a game where you would have to run away from her, but the N64 is tooo advanced for some game like that, or is it??? But they will never make that game - -Jed ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 23:39:32 EDT From: Nutz4n64@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] Cartoons to video games In a message dated 05/22/2000 8:36:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jedcross@hotmail.com writes: << What about pinky and the brain? That was a good show, until they added elmyra, imagine, a game where you would have to run away from her, but the N64 is tooo advanced for some game like that, or is it??? But they will never make that game -Jed >> Pinky and the Brain lost it after they left Animaniacs. Keep on making Simpsons games (good ones), and I'll be happy. Futurama is looking like a viable game product as well. If done correctly, of course. - -Eric- [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 23:40:00 EDT From: TreyTable64@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] RE: [N64] DIGimon In a message dated 5/22/00 5:58:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thraxen@ipa.net writes: > I doubt they are completely unrelated. It is pretty easy to see how one > could have led to the other...I would also bet that a lot of the same people > that are into one are into the other. > > > Stryder Back to the original thread, I just want to put in my two final cents. All these videogame related cartoons (Pokemon, Digimon, and Monster Rancher) are nothing compared to the Dragon Warrior (Dragon Quest) cartoons, even though there were only 12 translated episodes. Dave The flesh from Satan's dogs Will make the rudiments of gruel Deduct the carrots from your pay You worthless swampy fool - --Phish [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 23:43:52 EDT From: TreyTable64@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] Nintendo on top in Japan, odd eh? In a message dated 5/22/00 6:12:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thraxen@ipa.net writes: > The ones on that list I am interest in are: > > #1 N64 Majora's Mask > #3 PS Breath of Fire IV > #7 PS2 Evergrace > #10 PS2 Tekken Tag Tournament > #11 GB Metal Gear: Ghost Babel > #16 DC Marvel Vs Capcom 2 > #23 PS2 Kessen > #25 DC Powerstone 2 > > OK, notice the lack of Nintendo products on my list compared to Sony > products? Don't try to claim I am biased either...it is just that Sony has > more products on their systems currently that I am interested in than > Nintendo does. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see any Sony products on your list. I see one Nintendo, three Capcom, two From Software, one Namco, and one Konami. Dave Woke this morning to the stinging lash Every man rise from the ash Each betrayal begins with trust Every man returns to dust - -- Phish [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 23:46:17 EDT From: TreyTable64@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] Nintendo on top in Japan, odd eh? In a message dated 5/22/00 6:22:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Nutz4n64@aol.com writes: > If they were biased, for instance, they like Sony better, they would > completely avoid the N64 games. What I think Dex means is that by the > showings on this top sales chart, Japan is really not biased against > Nintendo. In other words, they will play a game they are interested in, > regardless of the system it's on. That's pretty much what you said too. In > > other words, you thought you were arguing with Dex, but you really just > proved his point (I think). > -Eric- Although at the top of the list was Majora with the Expansion Pak. In Japan there are two versions, one with the Expansion pak and one without. Nowhere on the top 30 was Majora without the Expansion Pak. Which leads me to believe that most Japanese gamers are buying an N64 just to play Majora and will most likely get rid of the N64 after Majora is done? Dave The flesh from Satan's dogs Will make the rudiments of gruel Deduct the carrots from your pay You worthless swampy fool - --Phish [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 23:53:47 EDT From: "Jed Cross" Subject: Re: [N64] Cartoons to video games >Pinky and the Brain lost it after they left Animaniacs. Keep on making >Simpsons games (good ones), and I'll be happy. Futurama is looking like a >viable game product as well. If done correctly, of course. >-Eric- I was glad when they had their own series, but for some reason, every time Brain would ask Pinky what are we doing tonight? and pinky would never know, It was always funny. anywho, a good N64 game or perhaps Dolphin would be one with Brain, you know, collect power crystals and take over the world in the mightiest 3-D adventure youve ever played. - -Jed ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 21:01:38 -0700 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [N64] Nintendo on top in Japan, odd eh? > > > Although at the top of the list was Majora with the Expansion Pak. In Japan > there are two versions, one with the Expansion pak and one without. Nowhere > on the top 30 was Majora without the Expansion Pak. Which leads me to believe > that most Japanese gamers are buying an N64 just to play Majora and will most > likely get rid of the N64 after Majora is done? > > Dave That doesn't compute. For the two week period that the chart was based, Nintendo sold 17,000 units of N64 and 410,000 units of Majora. So you tell me. Where did the other 400,000 gamers get their N64s? from space? - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 23:57:50 EDT From: "Jed Cross" Subject: Re: [N64] Nintendo on top in Japan, odd eh? I need some help for FF2, I am at the underground and I am at that Queen where she will only helo me if I beat her, how do I beat her? and don't you think it would be neat that you could have FF11 and it will have FF, FF2 and FF3 in it, much like DK64 had donkey kong in it and excitebike 64 had excitebike in it, man, excitebike on the Nes is awesoome!!! - -Jed ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 23:59:35 EDT From: "Jed Cross" Subject: Re: [N64] Nintendo on top in Japan, odd eh? >Although at the top of the list was Majora with the Expansion Pak. In Japan >there are two versions, one with the Expansion pak and one without. Nowhere >on the top 30 was Majora without the Expansion Pak. Which leads me to >believe >that most Japanese gamers are buying an N64 just to play Majora and will >most >likely get rid of the N64 after Majora is done? > >Dave So are you saying that majoras mask has two versions and not just one with low res or high res??? - -Jed ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 00:00:39 EDT From: FaIlenArchangel@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] Cartoons to video games It's suggestions like these which has gamers irritated with nintendo and other companies when they throw these types of games out on the market for consumers. One good example is that Mary Kate, Ashley Olsen game for the game boy color *shudder* ~Cy In a message dated 5/22/00 9:54:29 PM Mountain Daylight Time, jedcross@hotmail.com writes: << I was glad when they had their own series, but for some reason, every time Brain would ask Pinky what are we doing tonight? and pinky would never know, It was always funny. anywho, a good N64 game or perhaps Dolphin would be one with Brain, you know, collect power crystals and take over the world in the mightiest 3-D adventure youve ever played. -Jed >> [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 00:02:00 EDT From: "Jed Cross" Subject: [N64] VERY DUMB QUESTION I have a dumb question, is Perfect Daek released yet?I know that it's a dumb question but I am not that interested in that game, so I just want to know if it's out - -Jed ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 00:03:06 EDT From: Nutz4n64@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] Nintendo on top in Japan, odd eh? In a message dated 05/22/2000 9:00:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jedcross@hotmail.com writes: << So are you saying that majoras mask has two versions and not just one with low res or high res??? -Jed >> The packaging was different for the gamers that don't have the expansion pack. As I remember hearing on IGN64, it requires the pack, similar to DK64. - -Eric- [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 00:04:31 EDT From: Nutz4n64@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] VERY DUMB QUESTION In a message dated 05/22/2000 9:02:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jedcross@hotmail.com writes: << I have a dumb question, is Perfect Daek released yet?I know that it's a dumb question but I am not that interested in that game, so I just want to know if it's out -Jed >> It shipped today, should be out tomorrow. - -Eric- [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 23:16:06 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [N64] Nintendo on top in Japan, odd eh? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [N64] Nintendo on top in Japan, odd eh? > In a message dated 5/22/00 6:12:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thraxen@ipa.net > writes: > > > The ones on that list I am interest in are: > > > > #1 N64 Majora's Mask > > #3 PS Breath of Fire IV > > #7 PS2 Evergrace > > #10 PS2 Tekken Tag Tournament > > #11 GB Metal Gear: Ghost Babel > > #16 DC Marvel Vs Capcom 2 > > #23 PS2 Kessen > > #25 DC Powerstone 2 > > > > OK, notice the lack of Nintendo products on my list compared to Sony > > products? Don't try to claim I am biased either...it is just that Sony has > > more products on their systems currently that I am interested in than > > Nintendo does. > > Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see any Sony products on your list. I see one > Nintendo, three Capcom, two From Software, one Namco, and one Konami. > > Dave Haha...well, ok...I meant in the sense that they are on Sony systems. Stryder [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 23:26:22 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [N64] Nintendo on top in Japan, odd eh? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jed Cross To: Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [N64] Nintendo on top in Japan, odd eh? > I need some help for FF2, I am at the underground and I am at that Queen > where she will only helo me if I beat her, how do I beat her? Are you fighting Asura? If so...just cast wall on her so that all her heal spells bounce off ofher and hit you. Wall is the most handy spell in the game...if you ever fight a boss that casts wall on him/herself, just cast wall on one of your party members and bounce powerful spells like 'white' off of your party member that you cast wall on...the wall spell that the boss cast on himself can't stop a reflected spell. Keep this in mind :) Stryder [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 21:34:18 -0700 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [N64] Nintendo on top in Japan, odd eh? > > The packaging was different for the gamers that don't have the expansion > pack. As I remember hearing on IGN64, it requires the pack, similar to DK64. > -Eric- Nintendo released a version without the expansion pack for the ten people who owns the 64DD, which as you came with a 4 meg expansion. - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 00:36:05 EDT From: Devil929@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] Nintendo on top in Japan, odd eh? In a message dated 5/22/00 11:25:56 PM Central Daylight Time, thraxen@ipa.net writes: << I need some help for FF2, I am at the underground and I am at that Queen > where she will only helo me if I beat her, how do I beat her? Are you fighting Asura? If so...just cast wall on her so that all her heal spells bounce off ofher and hit you. Wall is the most handy spell in the game...if you ever fight a boss that casts wall on him/herself, just cast wall on one of your party members and bounce powerful spells like 'white' off of your party member that you cast wall on...the wall spell that the boss cast on himself can't stop a reflected spell. Keep this in mind :) >> And for future reference, this sub-thread needs a new subject line. One that ohhhh, you know, involves the subject being discussed=)? Aldo Merino [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 00:38:05 EDT From: Devil929@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] Nintendo on top in Japan, odd eh? In a message dated 5/22/00 11:00:29 PM Central Daylight Time, jedcross@hotmail.com writes: << So are you saying that majoras mask has two versions and not just one with low res or high res??? -Jed >> Majora's mask never runs in high-res -- the Expansion Pak is used for enhanced special effects, more characters on screen, more advanced AI routines, and a smoother framerate. At least, that's what the Nintendo representative told me on the Nintendo tour=) Aldo Merino - ----------------- Tendo Box http://www.tendobox.com [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 23:54:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Avery Subject: [N64] Perfect Dark contest The N-Games' Perfect Dark contest ends tomorrow. Go to http://www.n-games.com/contest.shtml to enter to win a copy of Perfect Dark or one of 4 Perfect Dark strategy guides. What are you waiting for? ;-) - -- Chris Avery averyc@io.com or n-games@n-games.com http://www.n-games.com/index.shtml [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 00:18:15 -0700 From: Dexter Sy Subject: [N64] Even more on PS2 trolls In addition to the cartoon, penny-arcade.com had a scathing attack on Stephen Frost's article. It can current be found at www.penny-arcade.com but if you don't want to visit the site, read on: - -------------------------- 2000-05-22 - Tycho Brahe Have you (by any chance) seen the article In Defense of the PS2 by Stephen Frost, editor of PSM Magazine? Think maybe he might be biased, maybe? I'm not asking that you absorb all seven pages (as even a scant paragraph has been shown to cause cancer in laboratory animals), but it would certainly shed some light on today's strip (by the way, I heartily recommend viewing the high quality version.) I think it's amusing even without the background info, but I think it's funny when a man falls off of his roof directly onto a rake, so don't use me to gauge that kind of thing.. Either way, the piece is referred to as "the most in-depth, technical and detailed analysis of the PS2 vs. Dreamcast situation you've ever read." I'm going to ask you a question: did you see the word "objective" in the previous sentence? Those of you who said no, you get a cookie. Those of you who said yes, I'm curious - how many fingers am I holding up? I have a number of problems with Mr. Frost's assessment of the way things are. For me, it really begins in the first paragraph - the one where he derides most of the PS2 bashing as the result of either second-hand information, or "just the opinions of the press." If we are (for the sake of argument) to discard the opinions of the press (in the service of ascertaining the always slippery truth of the matter) then, ergo, we discard all seven pages of his treatise. But where's the fun in that? I mean, when one's arguments consist of "I said it several times, now it's true", one compels both the casual and complete reader to discard your assertions - and discarding assertions is the most fun you can have without a prescription! I don't even own a console, I do the lion's share of my gaming PC style - and I find it awfully hard to believe that a person could walk through both Sega's and Sony's booths and come up with any evidence that Sony won the day. After I got sick of watching Armored Core 2 (a game with promise, but with aliasing so jagged you could open a can on it), Gabe and I took a look at Ready to Rumble 2 for the PSX2 and the Dreamcast (they were near enough to each other that one could make an accurate comparison.) On Page 5, Frost claims that the aliasing in this game is worse on the Dreamcast - "Can you believe that?" I want you to print out this next sentence, FrostMan - - put it between two slices of bread, and eat it like there's a gun to your head: You are a big, fat liar. Gabe and I saw them both practically side by side. There was no, I repeat, no comparison between the sawtooth edges on the PS2 and their smooth rendering on the DC. I'm not saying that the DC has more raw power - Sony's offering had God damn well better be the superior hardware, considering how far it post-dates Sega's. I'm not even saying that the DC is going to be an enduring commercial success! What I'm saying, and what many other people are saying, but you can't hear it because there's something substantially wrong with your fucking jaw and you can't seem to shut your pie-hole, is that: Right now, today, there's no reason to get up in arms about the PS2. You've said that the PS2 "Won" E3, that Anti-Aliasing doesn't matter, and that Sony's going to win anyway, so who cares. As far as I'm concerned, the current crop of games does not necessitate the purchase of this console. Will Konami shatter what we thought a game could be (again, arguably) with the release of Metal Gear Solid 2? There's a good chance. How about Square's "PlayOnline"? Is it likely to freak our brains? I'll always put money on Square. When can we expect this stuff? Much, much later. The material seen for these titles, awe inspiring as it was, was thoroughly preliminary. Put another way, it's not Real yet. What we have to judge the console on is what's available right now. I'm sorry to say it, but my money's not on Sony. They have to earn that. They haven't done that yet. In other (less adversarial) news, you may recall our recent comic entitled "BioWare's Bounty", wherein the PA crew can be seen clearly abusing both sandwich and beverage privileges. While going over the video-tape (in an effort to cull more video for your amusement and/or edification) I came across an image of said spread. To the left, you can see their opulent sandwich tray. Near the bottom, one can observe what looks to be a wading pool full of beer and other drinks. Near the top, you can just see the quiche thing - let's just forget I ever mentioned it. Speaking of movies, I put thirteen or so new ones of varying sizes on the "PA Movie Madness" page. (Kool-Aid man breaks through a wall.) Oh yeah! - -- Dexter S. 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