From: owner-n64-digest@lists.xmission.com (n64-digest) To: n64-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: n64-digest V1 #1374 Reply-To: n64-digest Sender: owner-n64-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-n64-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk n64-digest Tuesday, November 14 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1374 Re: [N64] Edge Re: [N64] Edge Re: [N64] Edge Re: [N64] Edge Re: [N64] Majora's Mask Re: [N64] Edge Re: [N64] Majora's Mask Re: [N64] Edge Re: [N64] Majora's Mask Re: [N64] Majora's Mask Re: [N64] Majora's Mask Re: [N64] Majora's Mask ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 19:49:02 EST From: DarkBastion@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] Edge - --part1_8f.2ef04bd.2743377e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <> Yeah, I just got their latest issue. What a shot in the crapper. Not only did those bastards give Majora's Mask 4 stars (and Madden for the PS2 deserves 5?!?), but their all of their PS2 coverage made me yearn for Gamecube even more. I mean, is it me or does Crash for the PS2 look slightly better than Super Mario 64? Certainly Zelda looks better than it. They do have a brief interview about NGC, though. ~Matt "The Bureau of Incomplete Statistics reports that one out of three." - --part1_8f.2ef04bd.2743377e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <<In America we have a magazine that shares content with Edge, it's called
Next Generation., It's been around for over 5 years.

~~ Dave ~~

"If there's a fire it's asleep in my bed
I must leave it to burn until it burns itself out
Catch as you can I'm not staying here long
I'll be coming back early or never at all" - Genesis

Treytable@sega.net
AIM: Super Trey Bros.>>

Yeah, I just got their latest issue. What a shot in the crapper. Not only did
those bastards give Majora's Mask 4 stars (and Madden for the PS2 deserves
5?!?), but their all of their PS2 coverage made me yearn for Gamecube even
more. I mean, is it me or does Crash for the PS2 look slightly better than
Super Mario 64? Certainly Zelda looks better than it. They do have a brief
interview about NGC, though.

~Matt

"The Bureau of Incomplete Statistics reports that one out of three."

- --part1_8f.2ef04bd.2743377e_boundary-- [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:25:05 EST From: Nutz4n64@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] Edge - --part1_75.c1e7c6f.27435c11_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en In a message dated 11/14/2000 4:50:30 PM Pacific Standard Time,=20 DarkBastion@aol.com writes: > Yeah, I just got their latest issue. What a shot in the crapper. Not only=20 > did=20 > those bastards give Majora's Mask 4 stars (and Madden for the PS2 deserves= =20 > 5?!?), but their all of their PS2 coverage made me yearn for Gamecube even= =20 > more. I mean, is it me or does Crash for the PS2 look slightly better than= =20 > Super Mario 64? Certainly Zelda looks better than it. They do have a brief= =20 > interview about NGC, though.=20 >=20 > ~Matt=20 >=20 >=20 WTF do they think they're doing?!!!!! Four stars?!! You gotta be kidding=20 me. Majora's Mask is one of the best games I've played in my lifetime, and=20 it'll be hard to top (still cloudy on this MM vs OoT issue, so I'd like to=20 leave it at "they're too close to call ;) ). Well, as long as EGM and IGN=20 have some sense in them. - -Eric- You keep on walking, where will you go? Walk again, in the company of the wind March with confidence until you get to where you=E2=80=99re going Until you finally grab that dream. =E2=80=9CKaze to Issho ni=E2=80=9D My=C3=BBts=C3=BB no Gyakush=C3=BB - --part1_75.c1e7c6f.27435c11_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en In a message dated 11/14/2000 4:50:30 PM Pacific Stand= ard Time,
DarkBastion@aol.com writes:

Yeah, I just got their late= st issue. What a shot in the crapper. Not only
did=20
those bastards give Majora's Mask 4 stars (and Madden for the PS2 deserv= es=20
5?!?), but their all of their PS2 coverage made me yearn for Gamecube ev= en=20
more. I mean, is it me or does Crash for the PS2 look slightly better th= an=20
Super Mario 64? Certainly Zelda looks better than it. They do have a bri= ef=20
interview about NGC, though.=20

~Matt=20

WTF do they think they're doing?!!!!! Four stars?!! You gott= a be kidding
me. Majora's Mask is one of the best games I've playe= d in my lifetime, and
it'll be hard to top (still cloudy on this MM vs O= oT issue, so I'd like to
leave it at "they're too close to call ;) ). &n= bsp;Well, as long as EGM and IGN
have some sense in them.
-Eric-

You keep on walking, where will you go?
Walk again, in the company of the wind
March with confidence until you get to where you=E2=80=99re going
Until you finally grab that dream.

=E2=80=9CKaze to Issho ni=E2=80=9D My=C3=BBts=C3=BB no Gyakush=C3= =BB - --part1_75.c1e7c6f.27435c11_boundary-- [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:35:29 -0500 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [N64] Edge - ----- Original Message ----- From: DarkBastion@aol.com To: n64@lists.xmission.com Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [N64] Edge <> <> I think Majora's Mask only deserves 4 stars. Crash for the PS2 does look like something that would appear on the N64, I'm not at all impressed by it, but then again I didn't expect much with Naughty Dog not making it. ~~ Dave ~~ "If there's a fire it's asleep in my bed I must leave it to burn until it burns itself out Catch as you can I'm not staying here long I'll be coming back early or never at all" - Genesis Treytable@sega.net AIM: Super Trey Bros [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:39:11 EST From: Nutz4n64@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] Edge - --part1_de.c527972.27435f5f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/14/2000 7:36:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, treytable@sega.net writes: > Grrrrr.......... - --part1_de.c527972.27435f5f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/14/2000 7:36:31 PM Pacific Standard Time,
treytable@sega.net writes:

I think Majora's Mask only deserves 4 stars.

Grrrrr.......... - --part1_de.c527972.27435f5f_boundary-- [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:40:56 -0500 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [N64] Majora's Mask - ----- Original Message ----- From: Nutz4n64@aol.com To: n64@lists.xmission.com Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [N64] Edge <> I think MM is a 4 star game, or an 8.0. It's just feels like a regular game with Zelda images pasted all over the place. It doesn't feel, to me, like a Zelda game. Since I got Jet Grind Radio (and then Shenmue, Capcom Vs SNK, and then King of Fighters Dream Match '99) I haven't the urge to play Majora's Mask. ~~ Dave ~~ "If there's a fire it's asleep in my bed I must leave it to burn until it burns itself out Catch as you can I'm not staying here long I'll be coming back early or never at all" - Genesis Treytable@sega.net AIM: Super Trey Bros [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:47:36 EST From: DarkBastion@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] Edge - --part1_3d.38a9c18.27436158_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <> Did we get the same issue of Next Gen? I mean, Christ, the graphics look sub-MGS! Aside form one screenshot of a large landmass far off in the distance (reminds me of Banjo-Kazooie: you see the land, but no specific details), the game looked like crap. Oh, and according to the interview Next Gen got with Sony, not having first party games is GOOD for a console. when they suck as much as Sony's first party titles, I agree, but c'mon ... ~Matt "I hate the PlayStation 2." - --part1_3d.38a9c18.27436158_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <<Crash for the PS2 does look like something that would appear on the N64, I'm
not at all impressed by it, but then again I didn't expect much with Naughty
Dog not making it.

~~ Dave ~~

"If there's a fire it's asleep in my bed
I must leave it to burn until it burns itself out
Catch as you can I'm not staying here long
I'll be coming back early or never at all" - Genesis

Treytable@sega.net
AIM: Super Trey Bros>>

Did we get the same issue of Next Gen? I mean, Christ, the graphics look
sub-MGS! Aside form one screenshot of a large landmass far off in the
distance (reminds me of Banjo-Kazooie: you see the land, but no specific
details), the game looked like crap. Oh, and according to the interview Next
Gen got with Sony, not having first party games is GOOD for a console. when
they suck as much as Sony's first party titles, I agree, but c'mon ...

~Matt

"I hate the PlayStation 2." - --part1_3d.38a9c18.27436158_boundary-- [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:48:58 EST From: Nutz4n64@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] Majora's Mask - --part1_a7.8fbe2f5.274361aa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/14/2000 7:41:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, treytable@sega.net writes: > I think MM is a 4 star game, or an 8.0. It's just feels like a regular game > with Zelda images pasted all over the place. It doesn't feel, to me, like a > IMO, it is one of the best games in existence. All I could think of doing for a while was play Zelda. I must admit that I was a little disappointed with the Stone Tower Temple (rather easy), but I found the game's true appeal in the notebook. I went through the entire entry to Kafei's file (haven't gotten the Keaton mask yet, but I will), and it was awesome. The way Nintendo has created distinct lives in this game is amazing. It's definitely one of N64's (all time's) best games. Innovation was incredible. - -Eric- The moon is like an authority, with its circular pattern How round, so round... No matter what happens in the world, the night goes on "Nyarth no Uta" Pocket Monsters - --part1_a7.8fbe2f5.274361aa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/14/2000 7:41:37 PM Pacific Standard Time,
treytable@sega.net writes:

I think MM is a 4 star game, or an 8.0. It's just feels like a regular game
with Zelda images pasted all over the place. It doesn't feel, to me, like a
Zelda game.

IMO, it is one of the best games in existence. All I could think of doing
for a while was play Zelda. I must admit that I was a little disappointed
with the Stone Tower Temple (rather easy), but I found the game's true appeal
in the notebook. I went through the entire entry to Kafei's file (haven't
gotten the Keaton mask yet, but I will), and it was awesome. The way
Nintendo has created distinct lives in this game is amazing. It's definitely
one of N64's (all time's) best games. Innovation was incredible.
-Eric-

The moon is like an authority, with its circular pattern
How round, so round...
No matter what happens in the world, the night goes on

"Nyarth no Uta" Pocket Monsters - --part1_a7.8fbe2f5.274361aa_boundary-- [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:52:25 EST From: Nutz4n64@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] Edge - --part1_a2.c0d12f5.27436279_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en In a message dated 11/14/2000 7:48:15 PM Pacific Standard Time,=20 DarkBastion@aol.com writes: > Oh, and according to the interview Next=20 > Gen got with Sony, not having first party games is GOOD for a console. whe= n=20 > they suck as much as Sony's first party titles, I agree, but c'mon ...=20 >=20 > ~Matt=20 >=20 >=20 Good? Hmm, the Sony guys have lit up the crack pipe again. But I agree. I= =20 mean, if Nintendo would've just let the third parties handle N64, we wouldn'= t=20 have been subjected to games like OoT or Mario 64. ;-) UGH, how stupid. - -Eric- =E2=80=9CNanda kanda to kikare tara Kotaete ageru ga yo no nasake Sekai no hakai o fusegu tame Sekai no heiwa o mamoru tame Ai to shinjitu no aku o turanuku Lovely charmy na kataki yaku Musashi! Kojiro! Ginga o kakeru Rocket dan no futari niwa White hole, shiroi ashita ga matteruze Nya-nte na!=E2=80=9D - --part1_a2.c0d12f5.27436279_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en In a message dated 11/14/2000 7:48:15 PM Pacific Stand= ard Time,
DarkBastion@aol.com writes:

Oh, and according to the in= terview Next=20
Gen got with Sony, not having first party games is GOOD for a console. w= hen=20
they suck as much as Sony's first party titles, I agree, but c'mon ...=20

~Matt=20

Good? Hmm, the Sony guys have lit up the crack pipe again. B= ut I agree. I
mean, if Nintendo would've just let the third partie= s handle N64, we wouldn't
have been subjected to games like OoT or Mario= 64. ;-) UGH, how stupid.
-Eric-

=E2=80=9CNanda kanda to kikare tara
Kotaete ageru ga yo no nasake
Sekai no hakai o fusegu tame
Sekai no heiwa o mamoru tame
Ai to shinjitu no aku o turanuku
Lovely charmy na kataki yaku
Musashi!
Kojiro!
Ginga o kakeru Rocket dan no futari niwa
White hole, shiroi ashita ga matteruze
Nya-nte na!=E2=80=9D

Rocket Dan- Pocket MonsterseS - --part1_a2.c0d12f5.27436279_boundary-- [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:14:19 -0800 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [N64] Majora's Mask - --------------49C82B3501E7A212A7C04B49 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Majora is also a contentious game because it deviates quite a bit from Ocarina gameplay wise. Next-Generation also treats all Next-Generation consoles quite well when it comes to rating the system potential and games. That's their real focus. Dexter Nutz4n64@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/14/2000 7:41:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, > treytable@sega.net writes: > > > >> I think MM is a 4 star game, or an 8.0. It's just feels like a >> regular game >> with Zelda images pasted all over the place. It doesn't feel, to me, >> like a >> Zelda game. > > IMO, it is one of the best games in existence. All I could think of > doing > for a while was play Zelda. I must admit that I was a little > disappointed > with the Stone Tower Temple (rather easy), but I found the game's true > appeal > in the notebook. I went through the entire entry to Kafei's file > (haven't > gotten the Keaton mask yet, but I will), and it was awesome. The way > Nintendo has created distinct lives in this game is amazing. It's > definitely > one of N64's (all time's) best games. Innovation was incredible. > -Eric- > > The moon is like an authority, with its circular pattern > How round, so round... > No matter what happens in the world, the night goes on > > "Nyarth no Uta" Pocket Monsters - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com - --------------49C82B3501E7A212A7C04B49 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Majora is also a contentious game because it deviates quite a bit from Ocarina gameplay wise. Next-Generation also treats all Next-Generation consoles quite well when it comes to rating the system potential and games. That's their real focus.

Dexter

Nutz4n64@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 11/14/2000 7:41:37 PM Pacific Standard Time,
treytable@sega.net writes:

I think MM is a 4 star game, or an 8.0. It's just feels like a regular game
with Zelda images pasted all over the place. It doesn't feel, to me, like a
Zelda game.

IMO, it is one of the best games in existence. All I could think of doing
for a while was play Zelda. I must admit that I was a little disappointed
with the Stone Tower Temple (rather easy), but I found the game's true appeal
in the notebook. I went through the entire entry to Kafei's file (haven't
gotten the Keaton mask yet, but I will), and it was awesome. The way
Nintendo has created distinct lives in this game is amazing. It's definitely
one of N64's (all time's) best games. Innovation was incredible.
-Eric-
The moon is like an authority, with its circular pattern
How round, so round...
No matter what happens in the world, the night goes on
"Nyarth no Uta" Pocket Monsters

--
Dexter S.
Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine
Http://www.tendobox.com
- --------------49C82B3501E7A212A7C04B49-- [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:23:17 EST From: DarkBastion@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] Majora's Mask - --part1_2b.d2c2fa6.274369b5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <> How far in the game did you get, Dave? During Woodfall, I was worried this game was some Zelda wannabe, overusing the whole, "light the torches," puzzle. But then I got to Snowhead, and the Great Bay ... it all fell into place. This is classic Zelda with what I think is one of the most original gameplay twists ever - the ending of your virtual world. If Next Gen weren't so busy hyping CrapFest 2 , ahem, the PlayStation 2, they might have been able to get someone to actually complete the game and see it for the brilliance it is. But no, we've gotta suffer through article after article of developers saying, "Ya know, I think we finally cracked this whole PS2 conundrum. Look at this screen shot. Now granted, this is from a prerendered cinema, but the in-game graphics will look JUST like this ..." You wanna see what people are doing with the PS2? Check out page 79. Or page 82, where we don't get screen shots to hype the machine, we get art a promises of atmosphere. ~Matt "I hate Next Gen and the PlayStation 2." - --part1_2b.d2c2fa6.274369b5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <<I think MM is a 4 star game, or an 8.0. It's just feels like a regular game
with Zelda images pasted all over the place. It doesn't feel, to me, like a
Zelda game. Since I got Jet Grind Radio (and then Shenmue, Capcom Vs SNK,
and then King of Fighters Dream Match '99) I haven't the urge to play
Majora's Mask.

~~ Dave ~~>>

How far in the game did you get, Dave? During Woodfall, I was worried this
game was some Zelda wannabe, overusing the whole, "light the torches,"
puzzle. But then I got to Snowhead, and the Great Bay ... it all fell into
place. This is classic Zelda with what I think is one of the most original
gameplay twists ever - the ending of your virtual world.

If Next Gen weren't so busy hyping CrapFest 2 , ahem, the PlayStation 2, they
might have been able to get someone to actually complete the game and see it
for the brilliance it is. But no, we've gotta suffer through article after
article of developers saying, "Ya know, I think we finally cracked this whole
PS2 conundrum. Look at this screen shot. Now granted, this is from a
prerendered cinema, but the in-game graphics will look JUST like this ..."
You wanna see what people are doing with the PS2? Check out page 79. Or page
82, where we don't get screen shots to hype the machine, we get art a
promises of atmosphere.

~Matt

"I hate Next Gen and the PlayStation 2." - --part1_2b.d2c2fa6.274369b5_boundary-- [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:34:10 EST From: Nutz4n64@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] Majora's Mask - --part1_e6.d841270.27436c42_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/14/2000 8:24:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, DarkBastion@aol.com writes: > How far in the game did you get, Dave? During Woodfall, I was worried this > game was some Zelda wannabe, overusing the whole, "light the torches," > puzzle. But then I got to Snowhead, and the Great Bay ... it all fell into > place. This is classic Zelda with what I think is one of the most original > gameplay twists ever - the ending of your virtual world. > > I'd also like to know this. Last time you (Dave) asked for help, you were on the mountain looking for the lens of truth. If you're still there, you haven't experienced the real game yet. After Woodfall, I felt it was beginning to recapture the spirit, but still wasn't sure. After Snowhead, it just kept on getting better. I was so amazed by the amount of interaction. I did feel the temples were a bit too easy, but that didn't mean they were bad. Dave, I challenge you to play through the Snowhead Temple at least. After that, you decide. If you don't want to try, then too bad. You don't know what you're missing out on. - -Eric- - --part1_e6.d841270.27436c42_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/14/2000 8:24:31 PM Pacific Standard Time,
DarkBastion@aol.com writes:

How far in the game did you get, Dave? During Woodfall, I was worried this
game was some Zelda wannabe, overusing the whole, "light the torches,"
puzzle. But then I got to Snowhead, and the Great Bay ... it all fell into
place. This is classic Zelda with what I think is one of the most original
gameplay twists ever - the ending of your virtual world.

I'd also like to know this. Last time you (Dave) asked for help, you were on
the mountain looking for the lens of truth. If you're still there, you
haven't experienced the real game yet. After Woodfall, I felt it was
beginning to recapture the spirit, but still wasn't sure. After Snowhead, it
just kept on getting better. I was so amazed by the amount of interaction.
I did feel the temples were a bit too easy, but that didn't mean they were
bad. Dave, I challenge you to play through the Snowhead Temple at least.
After that, you decide. If you don't want to try, then too bad. You don't
know what you're missing out on.
-Eric- - --part1_e6.d841270.27436c42_boundary-- [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:34:14 -0500 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [N64] Majora's Mask - ----- Original Message ----- From: DarkBastion@aol.com To: n64@lists.xmission.com Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [N64] Majora's Mask <> <> I got as far as the fraozen smithy. Then I haven't played since. <> At $1 an issue how could you hate Next Gen? ~~ Dave ~~ "If there's a fire it's asleep in my bed I must leave it to burn until it burns itself out Catch as you can I'm not staying here long I'll be coming back early or never at all" - Genesis Treytable@sega.net AIM: Super Trey Bros [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ End of n64-digest V1 #1374 ************************** [ To quit the n64-digest mailing list (big mistake), send the message ] [ "unsubscribe n64-digest" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ]