From: owner-n64-digest@lists.xmission.com (n64-digest) To: n64-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: n64-digest V1 #1412 Reply-To: n64-digest Sender: owner-n64-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-n64-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk n64-digest Tuesday, January 30 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1412 Re: [N64] CDs Re: [N64] Games RE: [N64] Sega joins ps2, nintendo Re: [N64] [Fwd: Dreamcast] Re: [N64] Sega joins ps2, nintendo Re: [N64] Games Re: [N64] newbie Re: [N64] Sega joins ps2, nintendo Re: [N64] Sega joins ps2, nintendo Re: [N64] News Re: [N64] [Fwd: Dreamcast] Re: [N64] [Fwd: Dreamcast] Re: [N64] who is dumb and who isn't Re: [N64] Sega joins ps2, nintendo Re: [N64] [Fwd: Dreamcast] Re: [N64] Sega joins ps2, nintendo Re: [N64] [Fwd: Dreamcast] Re: [N64] Sega joins ps2, nintendo Re: [N64] Sega joins ps2, nintendo Re: [N64] [Fwd: Dreamcast] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:21:23 -0800 From: "Fastleaf" Subject: Re: [N64] CDs - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rhodes" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [N64] CDs > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Wez > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 7:59 AM > Subject: Re: [N64] [Fwd: Dreamcast] > > My CD buying has gone up dramatically since I've been getting MP3s. > > Although I think Napster is crap, I'm talking about getting MP3s in general.. > > that's my personal proof that technology is only helping the record industry, not > > hurting. > > Wez > Same here, but it's been mostly blank CDs. ;-) > > ~~ Dave ~~ Rofl. The quality of songs on napster isn't exactly the greatest though. Even some 320 kbps songs sound pretty bad. People just don't know how to encode. [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:27:31 EST From: Jwelker1@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] Games In a message dated Mon, 29 Jan 2001 8:05:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Fastleaf" writes: << What's the last GREAT game you've played for the N64?>> Ogre Battle 64. Jeremy [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:30:34 EST From: Jwelker1@aol.com Subject: RE: [N64] Sega joins ps2, nintendo In a message dated Mon, 29 Jan 2001 8:10:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Moody, Luke" writes: <> Good point. I try not to be. I am minoring in German in college and I have been able to see how other countries actually do certain things better than the U.S. That still doesn't mean that I'm not patriotic or anything like that, though. Jeremy ********************************************************************** Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) ********************************************************************** [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] >> [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:49:38 -0800 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [N64] [Fwd: Dreamcast] > > We'll find out soon enough. Napster is turning into a subscription based > program. > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_1142000/1142663.stm Yes, I read. But the business model is rather limited and seems to exist at the behest of the music corporations. At this point in time, the napster subscription service exists primarily to draw heat away from the music industry and to give music publishers a measure of security that they have control over distribution (Napster would have to strike deals with music publishers to deliver music to its subscribers) - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:52:19 -0800 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [N64] Sega joins ps2, nintendo > > > No no no. Blame our leaders. People don't participate enough in government > because of our government run schools that don't teach people enough about > the government. It's in the government's best intereset to not teach people about civic duty. While people thumb their noses at those "politicians" they have no idea those politicians they wrote off as irrelevant to their lives, actually run their lives. That's even better to the power hungry ambitious technocrats who strive to the top of the power structure. - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:52:56 -0800 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [N64] Games Steve wrote: > Nintendo and quality gameplay are synonims > don't worry > hey, with zelda 5 you mean OoT? > i think it was terribly overrated > i wouldn't call it bad but i wouldn't call it the best game either > Majora's mask was still better (less boring) and more innovating. Nintendo = Quality I agree. - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:53:26 -0800 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [N64] newbie Steve wrote: > yes what is it with girls and bridges > one moment they're driving perfectly straight > then they see a bridge and go "oh no a bridge" and just turn 90 degrees > jumping off the damn thing while putting their controllers right in your > face... > > steve I like watching that happen. They can be so cute when they do that =) - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:56:43 -0800 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [N64] Sega joins ps2, nintendo > > This is so wrong and stupid, that it isn't even worth to comment > on.......... Stupid, probably. Wrong, no. We all know, sort of, that the United States is quite influential. But it takes some digging to see just how powerful it is. I've done my research and as a Canadian, I'll say I'm in awe of their power. They are so very far ahead of everyone else. > > Trades are done in all kinds of currency But at the end of the day, those currencies are denominated in American dollars for easy comparison. It is the defacto standard. > > > Neo Imperialisme America is a republic, North Americans dont believe in Empires =) ok, actually, maybe Canada is still England's little empire? who knows. =) > > Hear! Hear! Most of europe and the rest of the world are just laughing about > the states for their ignorance. And their power =) - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:58:18 -0800 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [N64] Sega joins ps2, nintendo > > this is only a point of view for me, there are also very educated and broad > minded people in the us. It just a shame that they are always overshouted > and powered by the dumb ones.... > > FWIW, > > Boudewijn If you're referring to George Dubya Bush winning over Al Gore, I admit Gore is probably the smarter more educated of the two. But Bush is more a people's person. It not good to have a brainy president who can't get along with anybody. - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:43:26 -0500 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [N64] News - ----- Original Message ----- From: Boudewijn de Kemp To: Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [N64] Sega joins ps2, nintendo <> I think you're confusing Local News with National (& International) News I get all my news from Dennis Miller Live ~~ Dave ~~ "Sometimes I dream with open eyes." Treytable@sega.net AIM: Super Trey Bros [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:59:38 -0800 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [N64] [Fwd: Dreamcast] > > My CD buying has gone up dramatically since I've been getting MP3s. Although I > think Napster is crap, I'm talking about getting MP3s in general.. that's my > personal proof that technology is only helping the record industry, not hurting. > > Wez > I don't dispute that... but the issue isn't napster or music per se, as i've proven music and game industry is too different to compare. the piracy in PC gaming however shows a much closer correlation to the kinds of piracy we will see with console gaming in the future. - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:02:27 -0800 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [N64] [Fwd: Dreamcast] "E. Jefferson" wrote: > I'm not saying it's not. But Sega's lost so much money, they have to come > up with a something that will bring in more revenue. Somebody has to 'be > the first' and innovate. Sega's financial situation won't allow them to > stand and wait for somebody else to establish a viable method of making > money online for them. > > Elliot > Actually, the discussion is about the industry's moving to such a business model in general. Sega wasn't the topic of discussion. - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:48:07 -0500 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [N64] who is dumb and who isn't This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C08ACB.A8395E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [N64] who is dumb and who isn't ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Boudewijn de Kemp=20 To: n64@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [N64] who is dumb and who isn't Oh, and the PlayStation is more popular because of its diverse line = up and huge selection of games, not to mention that they cost the least = amount of money to buy.=20 ~~ Dave ~~ =20 "Sometimes I dream with open eyes."=20 Ehrrrrr......dave, The PSX sales boomed in Europe after the games were first being = copied. In fact most of my friends bought it because of that. Every PSX = owner that ever came to my house and played a few games with me on the = N64, was more in favour of the N64 (after they played it). The only = critics i was getting, was that there weren't any large and highly = detailed cut-scenes in the games. As we all know, The big N uses = cartridges and no cd's. But cartridges don't hold enough to store these = kind off scenes. The only reason Nintendo uses cartridges instead of = cd's , is that the cartridge is much more difficult to copy.=20 boudewijn=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- Most people I know bought their PSXs after playing Resident Evil. I got = mine after playing Castlevania. Out of all the people I know with = PlayStations buy games legitimately. I'm not saying the N64 is bad. I = have one and would be hard pressed to get rid of it.=20 ~~ Dave ~~ =20 "I'm not saying, I'm just saying."=20 Treytable@sega.net AIM: Super Trey Bros - ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C08ACB.A8395E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [N64] who is dumb and who isn't
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Boudewijn de Kemp
To: n64@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 = 2:40=20 PM
Subject: Re: [N64] who is dumb = and who=20 isn't


Oh, and the = PlayStation is=20 more popular because of its diverse line up and huge selection of = games, not=20 to mention that they cost the least amount of money to buy.=20

~~ Dave=20 ~~
   
"Sometimes I dream with open eyes."


Ehrrrrr......dave,

The PSX sales = boomed in=20 Europe after the games were first being copied. In fact most of my = friends=20 bought it because of that. Every PSX owner that ever came to my = house and=20 played a few games with me on the N64, was more in favour of the N64 = (after=20 they played it). The only critics i was getting, was that there = weren't any=20 large and highly detailed cut-scenes in the games. As we all know, = The big N=20 uses cartridges and no cd's. But cartridges don't hold enough to = store these=20 kind off scenes. The only reason Nintendo uses cartridges instead of = cd's ,=20 is that the cartridge is much more difficult to copy. =

boudewijn

 
Most people I know bought their PSXs after playing Resident Evil. I = got=20 mine after playing Castlevania. Out of all the people I know with = PlayStations=20 buy games legitimately. I'm not saying the N64 is bad. I have one and = would be=20 hard pressed to get rid of it.
 
~~ Dave ~~
   
"I'm not saying, I'm just = saying."=20
 Treytable@sega.net
 AIM: = Super Trey=20 Bros
- ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C08ACB.A8395E20-- [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:50:27 -0500 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [N64] Sega joins ps2, nintendo - ----- Original Message ----- From: Boudewijn de Kemp To: Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [N64] Sega joins ps2, nintendo >Belgians are french, and the dutch are German. You forgot that Yugoslavs are morons. ;-) [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:05:53 -0800 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [N64] [Fwd: Dreamcast] > > I don't think you grasp the depth of these new techs...in reference to the > downloadable upgrades...as I stated in relation to the music industry, there > are now ways to make a certain copy specific to a certain machine. I don't > fully understand how they will work either...but you don't have to make it > exceptionally difficult before most consumers won't even worry about > it...anyway, you are incorrectly assuming that most would do it if they > could. That has yet to be shown in any market. > > Stryder > I've cut out the rest of the discussion since they really are secondary points to this one primary issue about. I'm looking at this from a very practical economic point of view. It's all in the cost of pirating. It it is cheap then it will be done more frequently than it is expensive. Unfortunatelly, the best anti-piracy techniques are untest, not in the market, and no industry has yet to adopt a universal standard to protect itself against such piracy. Until that happens, the entire business model remains unproven (which has been my point all along) anything more, is really just predictions of what might happen. - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:11:03 -0800 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [N64] Sega joins ps2, nintendo > > > You forgot that Yugoslavs are morons. ;-) The Americans are certainly a step about them. =) - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:30:12 EST From: DarkBastion@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] [Fwd: Dreamcast] - --part1_b8.1129c3d9.27a87e54_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit << > Music is such a mass user medium that the loss due to piracy is a blip in the > radar screen. It can be argued that Napster has actually helped the big record distributors to make more money. Every year since the emergence of the program they've been surpasing the amount of profits they've gained from the past year. And for some reason they've been raising cd prices. They basically rake in more and more dough every year, regardless of the amount of sharing going on using napster. Many people even just use Napster to sample songs and they end up going out to buy the cd's of bands that they like. People are tired of crap cd's that cost 20 bucks and only have one song worth listening to. > its substantial, or else the record industry wouldn't sue Napster. They aren't exactly suing for a loss of profits due to pirating, although that's what they may say they're suing for. There really is no evidence that they've lost money due to Napster. > The existing business model is sustaining the industry, the napster suit on the other > hand, is the music industry's safeguard for the future, fearing the business model > will change in the next 10 years and they'd be left with nothing. Isn't it obvious > that's the reason why they are suing? It's obvious they're suing because they see a potential threat to their method of distrubuting of music. You have to realise that's their main purpose. That's what has made them so much money all these years. They totally own the distribution methods. Napster threatens them in this sense, and rather then embrace this new technology they've tried to fight it off in the hope that it'll somehow just go away. That ain't gonna happen. I believe the first company to find a way to make money off of Napster will have the potential to overtake the other 4 big distributers. It's easy, fast, and cheap. >> Funny you guys should say that. I just read in USA Today that Napster is probably going to start charging a fee ($4.95/month) in June or July. Apparently, Napster has been wooing the big record labels since they first took them to court. And god only knows how much some people will pay to d/l an entire album. ~Matt "Blinky lights are the essence of technology. Everything else is fluff." - --part1_b8.1129c3d9.27a87e54_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <<
> Music is such a mass user medium that the loss due to piracy is a blip in
the
> radar screen.

It can be argued that Napster has actually helped the big record
distributors to make more money. Every year since the emergence of the
program they've been surpasing the amount of profits they've gained from the
past year. And for some reason they've been raising cd prices. They
basically rake in more and more dough every year, regardless of the amount
of sharing going on using napster. Many people even just use Napster to
sample songs and they end up going out to buy the cd's of bands that they
like. People are tired of crap cd's that cost 20 bucks and only have one
song worth listening to.

> its substantial, or else the record industry wouldn't sue Napster.

They aren't exactly suing for a loss of profits due to pirating, although
that's what they may say they're suing for. There really is no evidence that
they've lost money due to Napster.

> The existing business model is sustaining the industry, the napster suit
on the other
> hand, is the music industry's safeguard for the future, fearing the
business model
> will change in the next 10 years and they'd be left with nothing. Isn't it
obvious
> that's the reason why they are suing?

It's obvious they're suing because they see a potential threat to their
method of distrubuting of music. You have to realise that's their main
purpose. That's what has made them so much money all these years. They
totally own the distribution methods. Napster threatens them in this sense,
and rather then embrace this new technology they've tried to fight it off in
the hope that it'll somehow just go away. That ain't gonna happen.

I believe the first company to find a way to make money off of Napster will
have the potential to overtake the other 4 big distributers. It's easy,
fast, and cheap.
>>

Funny you guys should say that. I just read in USA Today that Napster is
probably going to start charging a fee ($4.95/month) in June or July.
Apparently, Napster has been wooing the big record labels since they first
took them to court. And god only knows how much some people will pay to d/l
an entire album.

~Matt

"Blinky lights are the essence of technology. Everything else is fluff."
- --part1_b8.1129c3d9.27a87e54_boundary-- [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:36:40 EST From: DarkBastion@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] Sega joins ps2, nintendo - --part1_20.1157eb5f.27a87fd8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <> In the words of Jack Handy, "can't we all be brothers?" ~Matt "The early worm, on the other hand, gets eaten." - --part1_20.1157eb5f.27a87fd8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <<Hear! Hear! Most of europe and the rest of the world are just laughing about
the states for their ignorance.

Boudewijn>>

In the words of Jack Handy, "can't we all be brothers?"

~Matt

"The early worm, on the other hand, gets eaten."



- --part1_20.1157eb5f.27a87fd8_boundary-- [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:42:42 EST From: DarkBastion@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] Sega joins ps2, nintendo - --part1_ac.10485ce0.27a88142_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <> I spent damn near a month (32 days) in Europe and I felt that I barely scratched the surface. It would take me a week to a week and a half to feel like I satisfactorily covered a single country, let alone the entire continent. I plan a return trip to the Scandinavian and German countries as soon as possible. A lot of Americans are idiots. That's why shows like "Temptation Island" and "Who Wants to Marry A Millionaire," thrive here. Many Americans are the Homer Simpsons of the world. But like every other country, we have our highs and our lows. It's just we seem to be more notorious for our lows. ~Matt "I hate the PlayStation 2." - --part1_ac.10485ce0.27a88142_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <<Well, I think most Americans have a lack of cultural and social development.
Also their knowledge seems a bit narrow minded and ego centric to me......

I mean, doing Europe in week? Don't make me laugh! it is impossible to see
Europe in a week, but the people who do it are in the assumption that they
have seen it all and become instant authorities on Europe...

This is only a point of view for me, there are also very educated and broad
minded people in the us. It just a shame that they are always overshouted
and powered by the dumb ones....

FWIW,

Boudewijn>>

I spent damn near a month (32 days) in Europe and I felt that I barely
scratched the surface. It would take me a week to a week and a half to feel
like I satisfactorily covered a single country, let alone the entire
continent. I plan a return trip to the Scandinavian and German countries as
soon as possible.

A lot of Americans are idiots. That's why shows like "Temptation Island" and
"Who Wants to Marry A Millionaire," thrive here. Many Americans are the Homer
Simpsons of the world. But like every other country, we have our highs and
our lows. It's just we seem to be more notorious for our lows.

~Matt

"I hate the PlayStation 2."
- --part1_ac.10485ce0.27a88142_boundary-- [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:45:04 EST From: DarkBastion@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] [Fwd: Dreamcast] - --part1_ea.10b1a25d.27a881d0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <> I have discovered an entire era of music from the 60s that I never would hav= e=20 discovered it if weren't for Napster. Not only that, but hearing some of the= =20 live versions of some of my favorite songs are things I would never be able=20 to hear even on the best B-side collection. ~Matt "Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin and Hobbes - --part1_ea.10b1a25d.27a881d0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <<My CD buying has gone up dramatically since I= 've been getting MP3s.=A0=20
Although I
think Napster is crap, I'm talking about getting MP3s in general..=A0 th= at's my
personal proof that technology is only helping the record industry, not=20
hurting.

Wez>>

I have discovered an entire era of music from the 60s that I never would= have=20
discovered it if weren't for Napster. Not only that, but hearing some of= the=20
live versions of some of my favorite songs are things I would never be a= ble=20
to hear even on the best B-side collection.

~Matt

"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin and Hobbes


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