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n64-digest Saturday, February 17 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1441
Re: [N64] more cpr
Re: [N64] What's wrong Zelda today
Re: [N64] What's wrong Zelda today
Re: [N64] Perfect Dark?
Re: [N64] Petition
Re: [N64] What's wrong Zelda today
Re: [N64] more cpr
Re: [N64] What's wrong Zelda today
Re: [N64] more cpr
Re: [N64] What's wrong with the youth today
Re: [N64] Petition
Re: [N64] Petition
Re: [N64] What's wrong with the youth today
Re: [N64] What's wrong with the youth today
Re: [N64] What's wrong with the youth today
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 00:15:23 EST
From: Nutz4n64@aol.com
Subject: Re: [N64] more cpr
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In a message dated 02/17/2001 9:13:55 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Jwelker1@aol.com writes:
> Who is the author of Kon-Tiki? I have never heard of that book.
>
> Jeremy
I believe it was Thor Hayerdahl (I highly doubt I spelled that right).
- -Eric-
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In a message dated 02/17/2001 9:13:55 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Jwelker1@aol.com writes:
Who is the author of Kon-Tiki? I have never heard of that book.
Jeremy
I believe it was Thor Hayerdahl (I highly doubt I spelled that right).
-Eric-
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 00:19:36 -0500
From: "Dave Rhodes"
Subject: Re: [N64] What's wrong Zelda today
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Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: [N64] What's wrong with the youth today
In a message dated 02/17/2001 10:58:38 AM Pacific Standard Time,=20
treytable@sega.net writes:=20
Have anybody played MM and done nothing? I always wondered what =
happened if=20
I just let the moon crash.=20
~~ Dave ~~=20
Nothing much happens. The moon crashes on the clock tower and this =
big=20
circle of flame kills Link. Then you go back to day 1 in the clock =
tower. =20
No big deal.=20
-Eric-=20
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I let it crash today after I wrote that post just to see. You're right. =
Really dull. I was hoping for a cool Bad Ending like in Chrono Trigger. =
"But the future refused to change."
I wonder why with the moon moving closer to the earth why didn't it =
affect the tides and such?
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2001 10:40=20
PM
Subject: Re: [N64] What's wrong =
with the=20
youth today
In a =
message dated=20
02/17/2001 10:58:38 AM Pacific Standard Time,
treytable@sega.net writes: =
Have anybody played MM and done nothing? I always =
wondered what=20
happened if
I just let the moon crash. =
~~ Dave=20
~~=20
Nothing much happens. The moon crashes =
on the=20
clock tower and this big
circle of flame kills Link. Then =
you go=20
back to day 1 in the clock tower.
No big deal.
-Eric-=20
I let it crash today after I wrote that =
post just=20
to see. You're right. Really dull. I was hoping for a cool Bad Ending =
like in=20
Chrono Trigger. "But the future refused to change."
I wonder why with the moon moving =
closer to the=20
earth why didn't it affect the tides and such?
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 00:16:46 EST
From: Jedcross2@aol.com
Subject: Re: [N64] What's wrong Zelda today
What wrong with Zelda? I'll tell you what, she's a slut.
- -Jed
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 00:20:51 -0500
From: "Dave Rhodes"
Subject: Re: [N64] Perfect Dark?
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From: Jwelker1@aol.com=20
To: n64@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 12:09 AM
Subject: Re: [N64] Perfect Dark?
In a message dated 2/16/01 9:29:51 PM Central Standard Time,=20
Jedcross2@aol.com writes:=20
Looks like someone might lose moderator powers on my list for =
calling me a=20
13=20
year old...I TURNED 14 IN NOVEMBER!!! =20
-Jed=20
Sorry. I couldn't quite remember. That's why I used the question =
mark. On=20
the other hand, do you remember how exactly old I am? :-)=20
Jeremy=20
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You're 22, right?
~~ Dave ~~
=20
"Don't live today for tomorrow like you were immortal."=20
Treytable@sega.net
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To: n64@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 =
12:09=20
AM
Subject: Re: [N64] Perfect =
Dark?
In a =
message dated=20
2/16/01 9:29:51 PM Central Standard Time,
Jedcross2@aol.com writes: =
Looks like someone might lose moderator powers on my =
list for=20
calling me a
13
year old...I TURNED 14 IN NOVEMBER!!! =
=20
-Jed
Sorry. I =
couldn't quite=20
remember. That's why I used the question mark. On
the =
other=20
hand, do you remember how exactly old I am? :-)
Jeremy=20
You're 22, right?
~~ Dave ~~
=
"Don't live=20
today for tomorrow like you were immortal."
Treytable@sega.net
AIM: =
Super Trey=20
Bros
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 00:28:01 -0500
From: "Dave Rhodes"
Subject: Re: [N64] Petition
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Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [N64] Petition
> In a message dated 2/17/01 1:57:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> treytable@sega.net writes:
>
> << I'll be ready when Miyamoto's ready. Can't rush genius. Besides, I'm
going
> to be in serious debt from new consoles this year. Finally paid off my
> PlayStation 2. Now next month I can buy more games for it (mmm Onimusha,
> Zone of the Enders) but this July I'll be probably putting down another
$150
> for Game Boy Advance and Mario 2. I hope no good Dreamcast or PS2 games
come
> out in July. I guess it helps that Phish isn't touring this year and Dave
> Matthews isn't coming anywhere close, or I'd have to get another credit
> card. ;-)
>
> ~~ Dave ~~
> >>
>
>
> Man, you guys spend all your money on games. What's up with that? Can't a
> game satisfy you for a week?
>
> -Jed
Yes. it Can. I got Phantasy Star Online on Feb. 5th and it's still
satisfying. Also got Time Splitters and Starcraft this month and I've played
a bit of them, although I found Starcraft to be a bit on the boring side. I
got Skies of Arcadia for Xmas and still haven't finished it, which I would
have or would be close to if I didn't get PSO.
March looks to be great too. Daytona USA Network Racing and Onimusha:
Warlords. Mmm. Conker too, but I've lost so much interest in that game.
~~ Cordelia ~~
"Don't live today for tomorrow like you were immortal."
Treytable@sega.net
AIM: Super Trey Bros
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 00:24:55 EST
From: Jedcross2@aol.com
Subject: Re: [N64] What's wrong Zelda today
In a message dated 2/18/01 12:17:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Jedcross2@aol.com writes:
<< What wrong with Zelda? I'll tell you what, she's a slut.
-Jed >>
Heh heh, I was kidding...
- -=Jed
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 00:31:15 -0500
From: "Dave Rhodes"
Subject: Re: [N64] more cpr
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Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 12:12 AM
Subject: Re: [N64] more cpr
In a message dated 2/16/01 10:47:21 PM Central Standard Time,=20
Nutz4n64@aol.com writes:=20
I actually liked most of the lit books we read. Except Kon-Tiki. =
Bored the=20
7th grader life out of me.=20
-Eric-=20
Who is the author of Kon-Tiki? I have never heard of that book.=20
Jeremy=20
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If you all want to read a great book, try "West of Eden", by Harry =
Harrison. Or, "On a Pale Horse", by Piers Anthony. Or "Still Life With =
Woodpecker", by Tom Robbins. Or you could just play Paper Mario.
~~ Trey~~
=20
"Don't live today for tomorrow like you were immortal."=20
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12:12=20
AM
Subject: Re: [N64] more =
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In a =
message dated=20
2/16/01 10:47:21 PM Central Standard Time,
Nutz4n64@aol.com writes: =
I actually liked most of the lit books we read. =
Except=20
Kon-Tiki. Bored the
7th grader life out of me.=20
-Eric-
Who is the=20
author of Kon-Tiki? I have never heard of that book.=20
Jeremy=20
If you all want to read a great book, =
try "West of=20
Eden", by Harry Harrison. Or, "On a Pale Horse", by Piers Anthony. Or =
"Still=20
Life With Woodpecker", by Tom Robbins. Or you could just play Paper=20
Mario.
~~ Trey~~
=
"Don't live=20
today for tomorrow like you were immortal."
Treytable@sega.net
AIM: =
Super Trey=20
Bros
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 00:31:59 -0500
From: "Dave Rhodes"
Subject: Re: [N64] What's wrong Zelda today
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Subject: Re: [N64] What's wrong Zelda today
> What wrong with Zelda? I'll tell you what, she's a slut.
>
> -Jed
That's the best thing I read all day.
~~ Marcus ~~
"Don't live today for tomorrow like you were immortal."
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 00:28:49 EST
From: Jwelker1@aol.com
Subject: Re: [N64] more cpr
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In a message dated 2/17/01 10:46:01 AM Central Standard Time,
geo_tay@hotmail.com writes:
> To claim that there are other books "more important" that The Lord of the
> Rings is absolutely absurd. The Hobbit and J.R.R. Tolkien's The Lord of the
> Rings are true classics, no less so than The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn
> or The Grapes of Wrath. The books are a little bit more than just a fantasy
> series that geeks love. Those who have read the books understand this. Of
> course, reading The Silmarrilion is also required, but then maybe you aren't
> literate enough to handle that one... :)
>
> Geoff
>
>
Well, IMHO there are more important books to read than The Lord of the Rings.
When I read the books, I may change my mind, but I think that there's a good
change that I won't. By no way am I saying that those books aren't worth
reading. I believe it is more important to know about literature from your
nations past and even other nations also. You have the right to dislike
these sort of books, but at least know about them and know what you don't
like about them. I enjoy the Dragonriders of Pern series by Anne McCaffrey
and I think that she is an excellent author, but that doesn't mean that I
should limit myself to only what she writes and other what other similar
contemporary authors write. I'm not saying that you don't read other books,
I'm just trying to make my point. It's important to read and know why you
like and dislike certain types of literature.
Jeremy
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In a message dated 2/17/01 10:46:01 AM Central Standard Time,
geo_tay@hotmail.com writes:
To claim that there are other books "more important" that The Lord of the
Rings is absolutely absurd. The Hobbit and J.R.R. Tolkien's The Lord of the
Rings are true classics, no less so than The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn
or The Grapes of Wrath. The books are a little bit more than just a fantasy
series that geeks love. Those who have read the books understand this. Of
course, reading The Silmarrilion is also required, but then maybe you aren't
literate enough to handle that one... :)
Geoff
Well, IMHO there are more important books to read than The Lord of the Rings.
When I read the books, I may change my mind, but I think that there's a good
change that I won't. By no way am I saying that those books aren't worth
reading. I believe it is more important to know about literature from your
nations past and even other nations also. You have the right to dislike
these sort of books, but at least know about them and know what you don't
like about them. I enjoy the Dragonriders of Pern series by Anne McCaffrey
and I think that she is an excellent author, but that doesn't mean that I
should limit myself to only what she writes and other what other similar
contemporary authors write. I'm not saying that you don't read other books,
I'm just trying to make my point. It's important to read and know why you
like and dislike certain types of literature.
Jeremy
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 00:31:05 EST
From: Jwelker1@aol.com
Subject: Re: [N64] What's wrong with the youth today
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In a message dated 2/17/01 11:42:24 AM Central Standard Time,
surlybob_y2k@yahoo.com writes:
> It's better 'cos it's longer and also it innovated, while MM was just
>
Majora's Mask was more on a continuation of Ocarina of Time. I don't think
it was meant to be a completely new game/story in itself. Or at least that's
what I've read and also believe.
Jeremy
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In a message dated 2/17/01 11:42:24 AM Central Standard Time,
surlybob_y2k@yahoo.com writes:
It's better 'cos it's longer and also it innovated, while MM was just
continuing on that. Still a great game though, love the plot.
Majora's Mask was more on a continuation of Ocarina of Time. I don't think
it was meant to be a completely new game/story in itself. Or at least that's
what I've read and also believe.
Jeremy
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 00:32:51 EST
From: Jwelker1@aol.com
Subject: Re: [N64] Petition
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In a message dated 2/17/01 11:54:36 AM Central Standard Time,
Jedcross2@aol.com writes:
> I'm not signing it. If they bring it out on September, they will have
> perfected it less. And you can't just sign a petition telling a company to
> release their product 1 month in advance, they have to finish it.
>
> -Jed
>
>
Good point. Why want it out sooner when it hasn't had enough time to be
"perfected?"
Jeremy
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In a message dated 2/17/01 11:54:36 AM Central Standard Time,
Jedcross2@aol.com writes:
I'm not signing it. If they bring it out on September, they will have
perfected it less. And you can't just sign a petition telling a company to
release their product 1 month in advance, they have to finish it.
-Jed
Good point. Why want it out sooner when it hasn't had enough time to be
"perfected?"
Jeremy
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 00:34:15 EST
From: Jedcross2@aol.com
Subject: Re: [N64] Petition
In a message dated 2/18/01 12:33:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Jwelker1@aol.com writes:
<<
Good point. Why want it out sooner when it hasn't had enough time to be
"perfected?"
Jeremy
>>
Because, the people want to play "the good games"
- -Jed
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 00:36:42 EST
From: Jwelker1@aol.com
Subject: Re: [N64] What's wrong with the youth today
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In a message dated 2/17/01 12:43:02 PM Central Standard Time,
distorbanz@yucom.be writes:
> hey hey what's with the title?
> i think MM was as innovating to OoT as OoT was to LTtP
> the fourth dimension, the shift to more sidequests and less dungeons
> the stone tower inversed
> and link bodychanging, i just loved every goron rolling sidequest
>
MM was innovative. You have to give Steve that. I'm up in the air about
which I liked better, but MM definately was more innovative than OoT, IMO.
Jeremy
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In a message dated 2/17/01 12:43:02 PM Central Standard Time,
distorbanz@yucom.be writes:
hey hey what's with the title?
i think MM was as innovating to OoT as OoT was to LTtP
the fourth dimension, the shift to more sidequests and less dungeons
the stone tower inversed
and link bodychanging, i just loved every goron rolling sidequest
MM was innovative. You have to give Steve that. I'm up in the air about
which I liked better, but MM definately was more innovative than OoT, IMO.
Jeremy
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 00:39:33 EST
From: Jwelker1@aol.com
Subject: Re: [N64] What's wrong with the youth today
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In a message dated 2/17/01 12:58:38 PM Central Standard Time,
treytable@sega.net writes:
> Have anybody played MM and done nothing? I always wondered what happened if
> I just let the moon crash.
>
> ~~ Dave ~~
>
>
>
Yep, but it's not as cool as you think. It comes down destroys Clock Town
and apparently everything else, but you can't see it goes up in a flash, or
something like that.
Jeremy
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In a message dated 2/17/01 12:58:38 PM Central Standard Time,
treytable@sega.net writes:
Have anybody played MM and done nothing? I always wondered what happened if
I just let the moon crash.
~~ Dave ~~
Yep, but it's not as cool as you think. It comes down destroys Clock Town
and apparently everything else, but you can't see it goes up in a flash, or
something like that.
Jeremy
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 00:52:17 EST
From: Jwelker1@aol.com
Subject: Re: [N64] What's wrong with the youth today
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In a message dated 2/17/01 4:22:16 PM Central Standard Time, thraxen@ipa.net
writes:
>
> >> See that is what I found wrong with the game...I like side quests, but so
>> many of MM's just seemed tedious...too many tedious tasks.
But you don't have to do them all. I didn't do nearly as many as I could
have and still beat the game fairly easily. And I only had about 10 heart
container pieces or so.
And all those masks...sure, changing bodies is a nice feature, but basing an
entire
> >> game on collecting a series of masks just seems stupid. Masks are fine
>> for a side quest, but an entire game?? Lame, IMO. The whole premise is
>> just goofy.
But what about most of the othe Zelda games. You have to collect something.
I don't see the big difference in collecting pendants or crystals in A Link
to the Past or collecting musical instruments in Link's Awakening. Frankly,
I find it more lame to collect violins and conchs. :-)
The time travel aspect, while somewhat interesting, I also found to be a
hindrance.
> >> I always liked how you could take as long as you wanted to explore or
>> perform a given task in previous Zelda games...that song to slow time
>> helps, but I still did not like having to keep going back to the first day
>> all the time.
I agree that it was a hindrance at times, but it was definately an attempt of
more innovation, whether you love it or hate it.
Also, though it may a trivial complaint, there are just too many problems
with the
> >> time traveling...for example, how come you keep major items like weapons
>> and masks, but lose all your money, ammo, and supplies when you travel
>> back?? You should either keep them all or lose them all. Just annoyed me.
>>
East answer: It's a game! ;-) Movies and TV aren't always realistic, so why
should games? (I realize, though, that you may have only listed this because
you already have found other faults in the game. Hence, you may not have
cared if you liked more of the other aspects of the game.)
Jeremy
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In a message dated 2/17/01 4:22:16 PM Central Standard Time, thraxen@ipa.net
writes:
See that is what I found wrong with the game...I like side quests, but so
many of MM's just seemed tedious...too many tedious tasks.
But you don't have to do them all. I didn't do nearly as many as I could
have and still beat the game fairly easily. And I only had about 10 heart
container pieces or so.
And all those masks...sure, changing bodies is a nice feature, but basing an
entire
game on collecting a series of masks just seems stupid. Masks are fine
for a side quest, but an entire game?? Lame, IMO. The whole premise is
just goofy.
But what about most of the othe Zelda games. You have to collect something.
I don't see the big difference in collecting pendants or crystals in A Link
to the Past or collecting musical instruments in Link's Awakening. Frankly,
I find it more lame to collect violins and conchs. :-)
The time travel aspect, while somewhat interesting, I also found to be a
hindrance.
I always liked how you could take as long as you wanted to explore or
perform a given task in previous Zelda games...that song to slow time
helps, but I still did not like having to keep going back to the first day
all the time.
I agree that it was a hindrance at times, but it was definately an attempt of
more innovation, whether you love it or hate it.
Also, though it may a trivial complaint, there are just too many problems
with the
time traveling...for example, how come you keep major items like weapons
and masks, but lose all your money, ammo, and supplies when you travel
back?? You should either keep them all or lose them all. Just annoyed me.
East answer: It's a game! ;-) Movies and TV aren't always realistic, so why
should games? (I realize, though, that you may have only listed this because
you already have found other faults in the game. Hence, you may not have
cared if you liked more of the other aspects of the game.)
Jeremy
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