From: owner-n64-digest@lists.xmission.com (n64-digest) To: n64-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: n64-digest V1 #1510 Reply-To: n64-digest Sender: owner-n64-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-n64-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk n64-digest Tuesday, May 8 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1510 Re: [N64] CES Re: [N64] game shows Re: [N64] CES Re: [N64] game shows Re: [N64] E3 Badges on Ebay /// atE3.com Launches! Re: [N64] life advanced2 Re: [N64] life advanced2 Re: [N64] E3 Badges on Ebay /// atE3.com Launches! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 21:59:52 -0400 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [N64] CES This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C0D80A.35AEE1E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dexter Sy=20 To: n64@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [N64] E3 Badges on Ebay /// atE3.com Launches! But your logic is extremely flawed. Your saying that it's better = to have no show (and hence, ZERO access) that it is have a show that = people may not have access to during certain years. Still, using the = size of the country as an excuse to not have a show is very lame. If = some really wants to go, they could if they planned ahead. As it stands = now, people have to sneak into a trade show like E3. So, just because = some people can't make it, no gets to go?? What kind of lousy logic is = that? Stryder Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say its better to have no show. = I'm saying its a matter of logistics. The transportation system in a = big country like the United States makes a show less viable. You have = gamers spread out through the continent. The American market as a = whole may be huge, but taken individually, even markets like LA could be = hard pressed to rival the TGS. So there's no will on the part of the = IDSA for a consumer show because its just so complicated, so expensive = and so very inefficient.=20 Until the transportation system improves or the industry pressure and = money is there to set up these shows, its not going to happen.=20 --=20 Dexter S.=20 Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine=20 Http://www.tendobox.com=20 =20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- I have an idea, bring the games back to the Winter and Summer CES, they = still have those right? In Chicago and Las Vegas, right? ~~ Dave ~~ =20 "Being poor really sucks arse." Treytable@sega.net AIM: Super Trey Bros - ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C0D80A.35AEE1E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dexter = Sy=20
To: n64@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 = 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [N64] E3 Badges on = Ebay ///=20 atE3.com Launches!

 
But your logic is extremely = flawed. =20 Your saying that it's better to have no show (and hence, ZERO = access) that=20 it is have a show that people may not have access to during = certain=20 years.  Still, using the size of the country as an excuse to = not have=20 a show is very lame.  If some really wants to go, they could = if they=20 planned ahead.  As it stands now, people have to sneak into a = trade=20 show like E3.  So, just because some people can't make it, no = gets to=20 go??  What kind of lousy logic is that?
 
Stryder


Don't put words in my mouth.  I didn't say its better to = have no=20 show.  I'm saying its a matter of logistics.  The = transportation=20 system in a big country like the United States makes  a show less = viable.  You have gamers spread out through the=20 continent.    The American market as a whole may be = huge, but=20 taken individually, even markets like LA could be hard pressed to = rival =20 the TGS.   So there's no will on the part of the IDSA for a = consumer=20 show because its just so complicated, so expensive and so very = inefficient.=20

Until the transportation system improves or the industry pressure = and money=20 is there to set up these shows, its not going to happen.=20

--
Dexter S.
Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine
Http://www.tendobox.com =
 =20

 
I have an idea, bring the games back to = the Winter=20 and Summer CES, they still have those right? In Chicago and Las Vegas,=20 right?
 
~~ Dave ~~
    =
"Being poor=20 really sucks arse."
 Treytable@sega.net
 AIM: = Super Trey=20 Bros
- ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C0D80A.35AEE1E0-- [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 22:02:37 -0400 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [N64] game shows This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C0D80A.97926440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dexter Sy=20 To: n64@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [N64] E3 Badges on Ebay /// atE3.com Launches! =20 What? That's about the lamest excuse for no show there could be. = There are HUNDREDS of various trade shows held in the USA every year. = Also, your assuming a lot by saying it would just be packed with rich = spoiled brats...you don't think any "deserving" gamers would happen to = be near by? Does having money preclude you from being a "true gamer"? = Just hold it in a large market every year, that will you will have = plenty of fans show up. Then, also, move it every year. One year in LA, = maybe the next in Dallas, then perhaps Toronto or NYC..and make sure the = site for the next year is announced shortly after the one before it = ends. That way, people who do have to save up money to go, have all = year to plan ahead...plus, if you can't make the LA show because it's = too far, maybe the one in Dallas the next year won't be. Obviously, the = media would still be there, so it's not people who can't make it one = year won't have any clue what happened....it's just something the = industry should do out of appreciation for one of it's key markets.=20 Stryder There are hundreds of trade shows, but the people in the trade and the = media. E3 is a trade show. There are very few consumer shows. None to = the scale of what TGS is. It's not a lame excuse. It's a matter of = logistics.=20 You're suggestion of having the show move from city to city is even = worse. Gamers could potentially wait for years before the show come to = their city. If you could have the show run for the entire year and = travel from city to city, it would still have limited exposure.=20 Consumer shows is about access by the consumers. The Japanese can get = around this problem because travelling by rail is widely accepted and = they have a very efficient rail system. With the shinkansen, anyone in = the densely populated Tokyo metropolitan area, and the Osaka, Kobe and = Kyoto metropolitan area have easy access to the show. They can leave by = train on the day and come home by night.=20 A consumer show in the US is possible, but at any one time, you have a = tiny fraction of gamers who will have access to it. which may not make = it viable. And heck, the show may have to bounce back and forth between = major markets like LA and New York to stay viable. Leaving the smaller = markets totally out in the cold.=20 --=20 Dexter S.=20 Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine=20 Http://www.tendobox.com=20 =20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- How about three shows, all within the same month, one in LA, one in = Chicago, and one in NYC and to hell with the south. =3D) ~~ Dave ~~ =20 "Being poor really sucks arse." Treytable@sega.net AIM: Super Trey Bros - ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C0D80A.97926440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dexter = Sy=20
To: n64@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 = 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [N64] E3 Badges on = Ebay ///=20 atE3.com Launches!

=20
What? That's about the = lamest excuse=20 for no show there could be.  There are HUNDREDS of various = trade=20 shows held in the USA every year.  Also, your assuming a lot = by=20 saying it would just be packed with rich spoiled brats...you don't = think=20 any "deserving" gamers would happen to be near by?  Does = having money=20 preclude you from being a "true gamer"?  Just hold it in a = large=20 market every year, that will you will have plenty of fans show = up. =20 Then, also, move it every year. One year in LA, maybe the next in = Dallas,=20 then perhaps Toronto or NYC..and make sure the site for the next = year is=20 announced shortly after the one before it ends.  That way, = people who=20 do have to save up money to go, have all year to plan = ahead...plus, if you=20 can't make the LA show because it's too far, maybe the one in = Dallas the=20 next year won't be.  Obviously, the media would still be = there, so=20 it's not people who can't make it one year won't have any clue = what=20 happened....it's just something the industry should do out of = appreciation=20 for one of it's key markets.=20

Stryder


There are hundreds of trade shows, but the people in the trade = and the=20 media. E3 is a trade show.  There are very few consumer = shows.  None=20 to the scale of what TGS is.  It's not a lame excuse.  It's = a matter=20 of logistics.=20

You're suggestion of having the show move from city to city is even = worse.  Gamers could potentially wait for years before the show = come to=20 their city.      If you could have the show = run for=20 the entire year and travel from city to city, it would still have = limited=20 exposure.=20

Consumer shows is about access by the consumers.  The Japanese = can get=20 around this problem because travelling by rail is widely accepted and = they=20 have a very efficient rail system.  With the shinkansen, anyone = in the=20 densely populated Tokyo metropolitan area, and the Osaka, Kobe and = Kyoto=20 metropolitan area have easy access to the show.  They can leave = by train=20 on the day and come home by night.=20

A consumer show in the US is possible, but at any one time, you = have a tiny=20 fraction of gamers who will have access to it. which may not make it = viable.=20 And heck, the show may have to bounce back and forth between major = markets=20 like LA and New York to stay viable.  Leaving the smaller markets = totally=20 out in the cold.
--
Dexter S.
Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine =
Http://www.tendobox.com =
 =20

 
How about three shows, all within the = same month,=20 one in LA, one in Chicago, and one in NYC and to hell with the south.=20 =3D)
 
~~ Dave ~~
    =
"Being poor=20 really sucks arse."
 Treytable@sega.net
 AIM: = Super Trey=20 Bros
- ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C0D80A.97926440-- [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 19:51:05 -0700 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [N64] CES - --------------734518EC84E8225F7F000D15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I have an idea, bring the games back to the Winter and Summer CES, > they still have those right? In Chicago and Las Vegas, right? ~~ Dave > ~~ Uuuhhh.. CES is a tradeshow. i don't think the public is allowed either. Besides, if you've read The First Quarter, or even Game Over you'll know the history behind the games industry and the CES organizers. Lets say E3 was set up as a protest trade show to stick it to the CES. - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com - --------------734518EC84E8225F7F000D15 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
 I have an idea, bring the games back to the Winter and Summer CES, they still have those right? In Chicago and Las Vegas, right? ~~ Dave ~~
Uuuhhh..  CES is a tradeshow.  i don't think the public is allowed either.

Besides, if you've read The First Quarter, or even Game Over you'll know the history behind the games industry and the CES organizers.  Lets say E3 was set up as a protest trade show to stick it to the CES.

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Dexter S.
Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine
Http://www.tendobox.com
  - --------------734518EC84E8225F7F000D15-- [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 19:51:58 -0700 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [N64] game shows - --------------0FB2A709D3D632B75FFDBC22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > How about three shows, all within the same month, one in LA, one in > Chicago, and one in NYC and to hell with the south. =) ~~ Dave ~~ Companies won't pay for it. Its expensive to exhibit on shows you know. and the cost of renting venues is amazing. - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com - --------------0FB2A709D3D632B75FFDBC22 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

 How about three shows, all within the same month, one in LA, one in Chicago, and one in NYC and to hell with the south. =) ~~ Dave ~~
Companies won't pay for it. Its expensive to exhibit on shows you know. and the cost of renting venues is amazing.

--
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Http://www.tendobox.com
  - --------------0FB2A709D3D632B75FFDBC22-- [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 19:53:39 -0700 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [N64] E3 Badges on Ebay /// atE3.com Launches! - --------------BBE38AB9DA364C5CAF5433D9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > That's actually what I figure. Nonetheless, I agree that some show is > better > than none. I think once the movie industry's revenues get pounded by > the > gaming industry's by a larger margin, we may see more respect for the > gaming > industry. Provided no one dies in the next few years either, because > even > natural deaths are linked to video games. Everyone knows that. > > The movie industry doesn't have public screenings of movies either. Sundance, Cannes and all those film festivals are pretty much out of reach of the common people. The best you can hope for is a local film festival organized by local organizers. - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com - --------------BBE38AB9DA364C5CAF5433D9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

 

That's actually what I figure. Nonetheless, I agree that some show is better
than none. I think once the movie industry's revenues get pounded by the
gaming industry's by a larger margin, we may see more respect for the gaming
industry. Provided no one dies in the next few years either, because even
natural deaths are linked to video games. Everyone knows that.
 
 

The movie industry doesn't have public screenings of movies either.  Sundance, Cannes and all those film festivals are pretty much out of reach of the common people.   The best you can hope for is a local film festival organized by local organizers.
 
 

--
Dexter S.
Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine
Http://www.tendobox.com
  - --------------BBE38AB9DA364C5CAF5433D9-- [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 22:32:02 EDT From: Nutz4n64@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] life advanced2 - --part1_50.1572333b.282a0622_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 05/08/2001 8:55:35 PM Central Daylight Time, treytable@sega.net writes: > Hmmm. Now why does this remind me of the people who said, "I'll wait a few > months before I get Panzer Dragoon Saga."? > > maybe it's just me, but if there's a new Dreamcast game coming out that you > want that you should pounce on it, since, from what I firmly believe, that > SEGA won't be making as many copies of games as they used to, at least for > the Dreamcast. > > ~~ Dave ~~ > You do kind of have a point there. Of course, I don't know if the Dreamcast could really be considered a commercial failure, so I'd think they'd have a pretty good supply. Of course, if supplies are low, I'm sure IGNDC would report on it. (I'd hope) - -Eric- - --part1_50.1572333b.282a0622_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 05/08/2001 8:55:35 PM Central Daylight Time,
treytable@sega.net writes:


Hmmm. Now why does this remind me of the people who said, "I'll wait a few
months before I get Panzer Dragoon Saga."?

maybe it's just me, but if there's a new Dreamcast game coming out that you
want that you should pounce on it, since, from what I firmly believe, that
SEGA won't be making as many copies of games as they used to, at least for
the Dreamcast.

~~ Dave ~~


You do kind of have a point there.  Of course, I don't know if the Dreamcast
could really be considered a commercial failure, so I'd think they'd have a
pretty good supply.  Of course, if supplies are low, I'm sure IGNDC would
report on it.  (I'd hope)
-Eric- - --part1_50.1572333b.282a0622_boundary-- [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 23:01:42 EDT From: Devil929@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] life advanced2 - --part1_ce.1450187f.282a0d16_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/8/2001 7:32:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Nutz4n64@aol.com writes: > You do kind of have a point there. Of course, I don't know if the Dreamcast > could really be considered a commercial failure, so I'd think they'd have a > pretty good supply. Of course, if supplies are low, I'm sure IGNDC would > report on it. (I'd hope) > Capcom, baby. For $20 for about 3/4 of their games (http://www.capcom.com/dreamcast.htm) it's a steal. I only wish I had $220 to blow -- then I could have all of their games=) I STILL haven't bought a single new DC game since PSO. I still want to pick up Daytona, Unreal, Skies of Arcadia, Typing of the Dead, Metropolis, and aasodf78nirusdfverlsuidsfv3;hbds. Yeah, that last one is cumulative. Aldo Merino - ----------------- Tendo Box http://www.tendobox.com - --part1_ce.1450187f.282a0d16_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/8/2001 7:32:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
Nutz4n64@aol.com writes:


You do kind of have a point there.  Of course, I don't know if the Dreamcast
could really be considered a commercial failure, so I'd think they'd have a
pretty good supply.  Of course, if supplies are low, I'm sure IGNDC would
report on it.  (I'd hope)
-Eric-


Capcom, baby. For $20 for about 3/4 of their games
(http://www.capcom.com/dreamcast.htm) it's a steal. I only wish I had $220 to
blow -- then I could have all of their games=)

I STILL haven't bought a single new DC game since PSO. I still want to pick
up Daytona, Unreal, Skies of Arcadia, Typing of the Dead, Metropolis, and
aasodf78nirusdfverlsuidsfv3;hbds. Yeah, that last one is cumulative.

Aldo Merino
-----------------
Tendo Box
http://www.tendobox.com - --part1_ce.1450187f.282a0d16_boundary-- [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 22:36:44 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [N64] E3 Badges on Ebay /// atE3.com Launches! This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C0D80F.5BA7B340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say its better to have no show. = I'm saying its a matter of logistics. >> Yes you are...your are saying that due to this "logistics" problem, it's = best to have no show. It's also still implied when you say things like = it would be filled with rich kids. You're basically saying, "What's the = point?" I'm just saying, that is really doesn't matter, people would = get there if they really wanted to.=20 <<< The transportation system in a big country like the United States = makes a show less viable. You have gamers spread out through the = continent. The American market as a whole may be huge, but taken = individually, even markets like LA could be hard pressed to rival the = TGS. >>>> First, why is this some sort of competition with the TGS? Second, how = do you know? There is not show like that. Third, how can you compare = the two situations anyway? Japan has less than half the population of = the USA alone...of course it will likely have more penetration from a = percentage standpoint...but I would bet you could get just as many = people to attend one in N. America as you could in Japan. Besides? = What's this issue with "penetration" anyway? The media reports = everything at these types of events anyway...but this just gives a = chance for the industry to show it's appreciation to it's die-hard fans = (who would be largely the group attending). Who cares if some people = can't make one year? Why does that matter? There are people who can't = make virtually any event you can think of that would like to go. That's = why you change venues every year (lots of various trade shows and expos = do this). It's better than no show to look forward to. <<<>>> So, the TGS isn't complicated or expensive? Inefficient how? This = whole idea of "we're just too big" is ludicrous.=20 Stryder - ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C0D80F.5BA7B340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Don't put words in my mouth.  I didn't say its better to have = no=20 show.  I'm saying its a matter of logistics. >>
 
Yes you are...your are saying that due = to this=20 "logistics" problem, it's best to have no show.  It's also still = implied=20 when you say things like it would be filled with rich kids.  You're = basically saying, "What's the point?"  I'm just saying, that is = really=20 doesn't matter, people would get there if they really wanted to. =
 
 
<<< The transportation system in a big country like = the=20 United States makes  a show less viable.  You have gamers = spread out=20 through the continent.    The American market as a whole = may be=20 huge, but taken individually, even markets like LA could be hard pressed = to=20 rival  the TGS. >>>>
 
First, why is this some sort of = competition with=20 the TGS?  Second, how do you know?  There is not show like = that. =20 Third,  how can you compare the two situations anyway?  Japan = has less=20 than half the population of the USA alone...of course it will likely = have more=20 penetration from a percentage standpoint...but I would bet you could get = just as=20 many people to attend one in N. America as you could in Japan. =20 Besides?  What's this issue with "penetration" anyway?  The = media=20 reports everything at these types of events anyway...but this just gives = a=20 chance for the industry to show it's appreciation to it's die-hard fans = (who=20 would be largely the group attending).  Who cares if some people = can't make=20 one year?  Why does that matter?  There are people who can't = make=20 virtually any event you can think of that would like to go.  That's = why you=20 change venues every year (lots of various trade shows and expos do = this). =20 It's better than no show to look forward to.
 
 
  <<<<So there's no will on the part of the IDSA = for a=20 consumer show because its just so complicated, so expensive and so very=20 inefficient.>>>>
 
So, the TGS isn't complicated or = expensive? =20 Inefficient how?  This whole idea of "we're just too big" is=20 ludicrous. 
 
Stryder
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