From: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com (NGamers-digest) To: ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: NGamers-digest V1 #1516 Reply-To: NGamers-digest Sender: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk NGamers-digest Thursday, May 10 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1516 Re: [NG] Re: [N64] Re: bits Re: [NG] Re: [N64] EA Plans For TEN GameCube Games! Re: [NG] Re: [N64] EA Plans For TEN GameCube Games! Re: [NG] What should it be? [NG] Will GameCube surpass N64 in number of systems sold worldwide? RE: [NG] Will GameCube surpass N64 in number of systems sold worl dwide? Re: [NG] Will GameCube surpass N64 in number of systems sold worldwide? Re: [NG] Will GameCube surpass N64 in number of systems sold worldwide? RE: [NG] Next g magazine RE: [NG] Next g magazine Re: [NG] Next g magazine [NG] Impressed with GameCube Numbers Re: [NG] Will GameCube surpass N64 in number of systems sold worldwide? Re: [NG] Will GameCube surpass N64 in number of systems sold worldwide? Re: [NG] Will GameCube surpass N64 in number of systems sold worldwide? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 00:54:04 -0400 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [NG] Re: [N64] Re: bits This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C0D8EB.B5E87B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thraxen=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [NG] Re: [N64] Re: bits Hey, now don't bring that up again. 32 & 32 in parallel is 64. But I = guess the debate on the Jaguar will never end, damn those DMA guys. ;-) But calling the Neo*Geo 24-Bit? I mean, that was marketing BS. They = just took the 16-Bit CPU and added the 8-Bit sound chip to the equation. = Total BS. >>>> =20 =20 But isn't the TG16 two 8-bits in parallel? =20 Stryder - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- No, the Turbo Grafx-16 (PC Engine) has an 8-Bit 6502 CPU and a PPU that = can do some functions at the 16-Bit level, sort of like how the = Dreamcast has a 64-Bit Hitachi SH-4 as the CPU but can do certain = functions at the 128-Bit level. ~~ Dave ~~ =20 "Being poor really sucks arse." Treytable@sega.net AIM: Super Trey Bros - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C0D8EB.B5E87B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Thraxen =
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 = 11:26=20 PM
Subject: Re: [NG] Re: [N64] Re: = bits

Hey, now don't bring that up again. = 32 & 32=20 in parallel is 64. But I guess the debate on the Jaguar will never = end, damn=20 those DMA guys. ;-)
 
But calling the Neo*Geo 24-Bit? I = mean, that=20 was marketing BS. They just took the 16-Bit CPU and added the 8-Bit = sound=20 chip to the equation. Total BS. >>>>
 
 
But isn't the TG16 two 8-bits in=20 parallel?
 
Stryder
 
No, the Turbo Grafx-16 (PC Engine) has = an 8-Bit=20 6502 CPU and a PPU that can do some functions at the 16-Bit level, sort = of like=20 how the Dreamcast has a 64-Bit Hitachi SH-4 as the CPU but can do = certain=20 functions at the 128-Bit level.
 
~~ Dave ~~
    =
"Being poor=20 really sucks arse."
 Treytable@sega.net
 AIM: = Super Trey=20 Bros
- ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C0D8EB.B5E87B00-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 00:59:43 -0400 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [NG] Re: [N64] EA Plans For TEN GameCube Games! This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C0D8EC.7FEE9EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Moody, Luke=20 To: 'NGamers@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 12:40 AM Subject: RE: [NG] Re: [N64] EA Plans For TEN GameCube Games! > I have about as much interest in EA as I do Square; although > I EA gets the=20 > heads up on that one because of the solid FIFA series.=20 >=20 > Aldo Merino >>>> >=20 >=20 > Too bad...SSX kicks ass! >=20 > Stryder >=20 >=20 > _____ =20 >=20 >=20 > =20 > No way. SSX just SUCKS. Where's Need For Speed? Although they really = made > Porsche Unleashed suck real bad too. Well, at least there's Gran = Turismo 3 > to look forward to, and maybe another good Test Drive game, and i = don't > mean TD7. Pitbull Syndicate sucks big time too. Maybe Melbourne = House will > bring out a LeMans 24 Hours 2. > =20 > ~~ Dave ~~ > =20 >=20 Dude SSX rocks. If you could complete the tricks etc.. you would think it rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Have you played it alot?? LUke - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- It was the first game I bought when I got my PS2. I had it for two weeks = and played it every day, just long enough to come to the conclusion that = I don't like it one bit. I'd much rather play a far more polished game = like Tony Hawk's Pro Skater (or THPS2). And if I want racing with = hitting each other I'd rather play Road Rash. Maybe one of the = unannounced EA games on the Cube is a Road Rash sequel. Road Rash just = plain rules, although I didn't care for Road Rash 3-D and have yet to = play Road Rash Jailbreak or Road Rash 64... ~~ Dave ~~ =20 "Being poor really sucks arse." Treytable@sega.net AIM: Super Trey Bros - ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C0D8EC.7FEE9EC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Moody, = Luke=20
To: 'NGamers@lists.xmission.com' =
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 = 12:40=20 AM
Subject: RE: [NG] Re: [N64] EA = Plans For=20 TEN GameCube Games!


> I have about as much interest in EA as I do = Square;=20 although
> I EA gets the
> heads up on that one because = of the=20 solid FIFA series.
>
> Aldo Merino = >>>>
>=20
>
> Too bad...SSX kicks ass!
>
> = Stryder
>=20
>
>   _____ 
>
> =
> =20
> No way. SSX just SUCKS. Where's Need For Speed? Although they = really=20 made
> Porsche Unleashed suck real bad too. Well, at least = there's Gran=20 Turismo 3
> to look forward to, and maybe another good Test = Drive game,=20 and i don't
> mean TD7. Pitbull Syndicate sucks big time too. = Maybe=20 Melbourne House will
> bring out a LeMans 24 Hours = 2.
> =20
> ~~ Dave ~~
>    
> =
Dude
SSX=20 rocks.  If you could complete the tricks etc.. you would = think
it=20 rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have you played it=20 alot??

LUke

 
It was the first game I bought when I = got my PS2. I=20 had it for two weeks and played it every day, just long enough to come = to the=20 conclusion that I don't like it one bit. I'd much rather play a far more = polished game like Tony Hawk's Pro Skater (or THPS2). And if I want = racing with=20 hitting each other I'd rather play Road Rash. Maybe one of the = unannounced EA=20 games on the Cube is a Road Rash sequel. Road Rash just plain rules, = although I=20 didn't care for Road Rash 3-D and have yet to play Road Rash Jailbreak = or Road=20 Rash 64...
 
~~ Dave ~~
    =
"Being poor=20 really sucks arse."
 Treytable@sega.net
 AIM: = Super Trey=20 Bros
- ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C0D8EC.7FEE9EC0-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 23:57:52 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] Re: [N64] EA Plans For TEN GameCube Games! This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C0D8E3.DC14CB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wasn't blown away by it either, but I only played it briefly. Of = course, so=20 far, I have yet to be blown away by anything PS2 firsthand.=20 That Limited Edition Pokemon GBA on the other hand...mmm. >>>> What limited edition GBA? I hope that is a joke...f'ing Pokemon! Stryder - ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C0D8E3.DC14CB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I wasn't blown away by it either, but I only played = it=20 briefly. Of course, so
far, I have yet to be blown away by anything = PS2=20 firsthand.

That Limited Edition Pokemon GBA on the other = hand...mmm.=20 >>>>
What limited edition GBA?  I hope that is a = joke...f'ing=20 Pokemon!
 
Stryder
- ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C0D8E3.DC14CB60-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 23:05:51 -0600 From: Don Fentie Subject: Re: [NG] What should it be? [NG] because it is shorter. Gregory A. Swarthout wrote: > > [NG] or [NGamers] or something else as a subject header? > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe NGamers" ] > [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 01:16:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Vi On Subject: [NG] Will GameCube surpass N64 in number of systems sold worldwide? As more and more games are announce for GC, I'm getting excited about the system. I'll probably buy GC the first day it comes out. Now that we are at the end of N64's life cycle, do you think Nintendo can do a better job with Gamecube? Or will Gamecube repeat history which is being second place console, having the same games: Mario 2, Zelda 4, Rare games, No rpg games, etc. Or will GameCube sell really well and surpass ps2 in number of systems sold worldwide making it the #1 console? - -Vi [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:37:02 +1000 From: "Moody, Luke" Subject: RE: [NG] Will GameCube surpass N64 in number of systems sold worl dwide? > As more and more games are announce for GC, I'm getting excited about the > system. I'll probably buy GC the first day it comes out. Now that we are > > at the end of N64's life cycle, do you think Nintendo can do a better job > with Gamecube? Or will Gamecube repeat history which is being second > place console, having the same games: Mario 2, Zelda 4, Rare games, No rpg > games, etc. Or will GameCube sell really well and surpass ps2 in number > of systems sold worldwide making it the #1 console? > > -Vi > I hope it sells really well and becomes Number 1. With cheaper price and brand recon and mascot games it should be able to do it. Thanks Luke > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ********************************************************************** Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) ********************************************************************** [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 01:01:37 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] Will GameCube surpass N64 in number of systems sold worldwide? > As more and more games are announce for GC, I'm getting excited about the > system. I'll probably buy GC the first day it comes out. Yep...I have had mine pre-ordered with SE for months now :-) >Now that we are > at the end of N64's life cycle, do you think Nintendo can do a better job > with Gamecube? I sure hope so...the N64 was basically the bore machine. Sure, there were some truly fantastic games...but the gaps between each one was enormous. Except for Mario64, Goldeneye, Zelda, and BK...I could have lived without the rest. Fortunately, those games alone really justified my purchase of the N64, but it spent most of it's life collecting dust. >Or will Gamecube repeat history which is being second > place console, having the same games: Mario 2, Zelda 4, Rare games, No rpg > games, etc. Or will GameCube sell really well and surpass ps2 in number > of systems sold worldwide making it the #1 console? I think it will be better this time around because they ditched the lame-o carts. As for the PS2...I'm not sure, Sony has had a lot of time to build up a lead, but they have really squandered most of this time with lack luster software when they should have been digging Nintendo's grave. It will largely depend on the software for the PS2 between now and the GC's launch (especially the software just before and right at the launch of the GC). If they crank out some very good titles (GT3 for example) between now and then, it could again be very hard for Nintendo to catch up...especially trying to fight the XBOX at the same time. For me, I haven't played any of my systems in quite while now....well, I did play Conker, but it wasn't all that good. I'm holding on to some big hopes for Twisted Metal Black...I truly hope that game kicks ass and breathes new life into the vehicular combat genre. If it turns out as great as it has looked so far, then my faith in the PS2 will be restored....for others GT3 may do the same. Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 00:04:26 -0700 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [NG] Will GameCube surpass N64 in number of systems sold worldwide? Vi On wrote: > As more and more games are announce for GC, I'm getting excited about the > system. I'll probably buy GC the first day it comes out. Now that we are > at the end of N64's life cycle, do you think Nintendo can do a better job > with Gamecube? Or will Gamecube repeat history which is being second > place console, having the same games: Mario 2, Zelda 4, Rare games, No rpg > games, etc. Or will GameCube sell really well and surpass ps2 in number > of systems sold worldwide making it the #1 console? > > -Vi > I think Nintendo has a real shot at being in contention for the top spot with the GameCube. Nintendo has done a great job so far in nullifying the third party factor. It looks like GameCube will be getting any big third party games that X-box and the PS2 will be getting. It comes down to the exclusives. X-Box will have a lot of exclusives from PC developers, but I see the problem with that is they will probably tend to be many games coming out for the same genre. I'm pretty sure the X-box will probably have the largest collection of first person shooters when it is all said and done. Sony looks to have exclusivity with Squaresoft and several titles from Konami and the like. And Nintendo will have its first party and second party line-up. If you look at it that way, GameCube will be very competitive when it comes to comparing the exclusives. - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:49:41 +1000 From: "Moody, Luke" Subject: RE: [NG] Next g magazine > -----Original Message----- > From: Vi On [SMTP:vi@cs.bu.edu] > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 2:43 PM > To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com > Subject: [NG] Next g magazine > > > We get most of our latest gaming news on the internet. It's > nice to see a magazine having some exclusive infomation before any gaming > website. Usually I pick up a magazine and all the game news are 2 months > old. > > -Vi > What version of acrobat are you using. I have 3.1 and it's all black. Luke ********************************************************************** Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) ********************************************************************** [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:50:51 +1000 From: "Moody, Luke" Subject: RE: [NG] Next g magazine > We get most of our latest gaming news on the internet. It's > nice to see a magazine having some exclusive infomation before any gaming > website. Usually I pick up a magazine and all the game news are 2 months > old. > > -Vi > Also, does that mean that IGN are holding back info and therefore not that reliable anymore??? Luke ********************************************************************** Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) ********************************************************************** [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 00:24:45 -0700 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [NG] Next g magazine > > > > What version of acrobat are you using. > I have 3.1 and it's all black. > > Luke > Same thing happened with mine. - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 01:52:46 -0700 From: Dexter Sy Subject: [NG] Impressed with GameCube Numbers I've been reading the NG article on Rogue Leader and came accross a very interesting figure. Factor 5 is claims that in one particular scene where we see the back end of the Star Destroyer I scanned it and uploaded it here: http://www.geocities.com/teamreavers/starass.jpg the exhaust and back end of the ship consist of 130,000 polygons. With the game running at 60 fps, that's 7.8 million polygons per second just on the ass eer... back end of the ship. We can add in the B-Wing and X-wing, atmospheric effects , additional polygons being drawn just offscreen, the starfield (probably a big polygonal sphere with starfield textures) and it could easily be 10 million plus polygons per second. And that includes texturing, anti-aliasing, mip-mapping, lighting effects, various texture passes which is said to include dirt mapping, bump mapping (not implemented in the screenshot), specularity, illumination maps. Boy of boy :) I'm really blown away. I know GameCube would be powerful, but to actual sit down and comprehend the numbers it is capable of even when all these effects are turned on is astonishing. The background music is also said to be good. The editors claim it is a "beautiful orchestral score by John Willians, now in incredible DVD quality sound, punctuated by the droning cries of passing TIE fighters." And I'm sure you folks would be interested in Next-Generation's first hand impression of whatr it feels like to hold the GameCube controller. Here's what it says: http://www.geocities.com/teamreavers/controller.jpg Very interesting eh? - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:32:50 +0200 From: "Steve" Subject: Re: [NG] Will GameCube surpass N64 in number of systems sold worldwide? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_017C_01C0D93C.903484C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes the cheaper price, the GBA trojan horse, and mario, sonic AND = bandicoot might just do the trick; and i also heard nintendo will start = focussing on the mature public too, starting E3. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Moody, Luke=20 To: 'NGamers@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 7:37 AM Subject: RE: [NG] Will GameCube surpass N64 in number of systems sold = worldwide? > As more and more games are announce for GC, I'm getting excited = about the > system. I'll probably buy GC the first day it comes out. Now that = we are >=20 > at the end of N64's life cycle, do you think Nintendo can do a = better job > with Gamecube? Or will Gamecube repeat history which is being = second > place console, having the same games: Mario 2, Zelda 4, Rare games, = No rpg > games, etc. Or will GameCube sell really well and surpass ps2 in = number > of systems sold worldwide making it the #1 console? >=20 > -Vi >=20 I hope it sells really well and becomes Number 1. With cheaper price and brand recon and mascot games it should be able to do it. Thanks Luke > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ********************************************************************** Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) ********************************************************************** [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] - ------=_NextPart_000_017C_01C0D93C.903484C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes the cheaper price, the GBA trojan = horse, and=20 mario, sonic AND bandicoot might just do the trick; and i also heard = nintendo=20 will start focussing on the mature public too, starting = E3.
----- Original Message -----
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To: 'NGamers@lists.xmission.com' =
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 = 7:37=20 AM
Subject: RE: [NG] Will GameCube = surpass=20 N64 in number of systems sold worldwide?



> As more and more games are announce for = GC, I'm=20 getting excited about the
> system.  I'll probably buy GC = the first=20 day it comes out.  Now that we are
>
> at the end of = N64's=20 life cycle, do you think Nintendo can do a better job
> with=20 Gamecube?  Or will Gamecube repeat history which is being = second
>=20 place console, having the same games: Mario 2, Zelda 4, Rare games, No = rpg
> games, etc.   Or will GameCube sell really well = and=20 surpass ps2 in number
> of systems sold worldwide making it the = #1=20 console?
>
> -Vi
>
I hope it sells really well = and=20 becomes Number 1. With cheaper price
and brand recon and mascot = games it=20 should be able to do it.

Thanks
Luke


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[ = NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com &n= bsp;      =20 ] - ------=_NextPart_000_017C_01C0D93C.903484C0-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:49:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Vi On Subject: Re: [NG] Will GameCube surpass N64 in number of systems sold worldwide? I think the console war depends alot in Japan. N64 never got much attention over there. I guess japan is not a big fan of mario, zelda, etc. They want rpgs like FFX. So I guess PS2 has already won the japanese market by a very big margin. With no rpg games or exclusive titles for gamecube that will win japanese fans, it seems GC will be second place again. - -Vi > Sony looks to have exclusivity with Squaresoft and several titles from Konami > and the like. And Nintendo will have its first party and second party > line-up. If you look at it that way, GameCube will be very competitive when > it comes to comparing the exclusives. [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:07:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Akbar Khan Subject: Re: [NG] Will GameCube surpass N64 in number of systems sold worldwide? Or will GameCube sell really well and > surpass ps2 in number > of systems sold worldwide making it the #1 console? > > -Vi I think gamecube'll surpass ps2.N64 was cartridge base & it had limitations compared to ps but it is still fighting with polygon giants like DC & PS2.just imagine what gamecube'll do to these systems with it's power,i know x_box is more powerfull but it's the games that make the system & nobody make games like NINTENDO.with it's quality games N64 is still fighting against ps,dc & ps2.besides billgates does'nt know a shit about games & NINTENDO well u know what i'm saying. everybody knows how ps became #1.they made really crap games for saturn & because of that the system fell to it's grave & NINTENDO had bad luck with virtualboy so it was perfect time for sony to launch ps.i don't think it'll happen again. every system is powerfull but we've to see what type of games they have & my bet is on GAMECUBE. AK. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ End of NGamers-digest V1 #1516 ****************************** [ To quit the NGamers-digest mailing list (big mistake), send the message ] [ "unsubscribe NGamers-digest" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ]