From: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com (NGamers-digest) To: ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: NGamers-digest V1 #1517 Reply-To: NGamers-digest Sender: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk NGamers-digest Thursday, May 10 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1517 Re: [NG] Rogue Squadron Hands On -- and not by NG [NG] USA Today Reveals GameCube Pricing, E3 and Rogue II details Re: [NG] Rogue Squadron Hands On -- and not by NG Re: [NG] Rogue Squadron Hands On -- and not by NG Re: [NG] Next g magazine Re: [NG] Rogue Squadron Hands On -- and not by NG Re: [NG] Rogue Squadron Hands On -- and not by NG [NG] LUCAS ARTS RELEASES SCREENS Re: [NG] Next g magazine Re: [NG] Next g magazine Re: [NG] Next g magazine ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:56:07 EDT From: Devil929@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Rogue Squadron Hands On -- and not by NG - --part1_51.b54f7d8.282c3e47_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Check this out: http://www.msnbc.com/news/571518.asp?cp1=1 Steven Kent got his hands on RS2 as well as an early peek at Madden 2002 on GCN and things look good for GameCube. Real good. Especially when you look at that glorious high quality screenshot at the top. Mmmm. Aldo Merino - ------------------ Tendo Box http://www.tendobox.com - --part1_51.b54f7d8.282c3e47_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Check this out:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/571518.asp?cp1=1

Steven Kent got his hands on RS2 as well as an early peek at Madden 2002 on
GCN and things look good for GameCube. Real good. Especially when you look at
that glorious high quality screenshot at the top.

Mmmm.

Aldo Merino
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Tendo Box
http://www.tendobox.com - --part1_51.b54f7d8.282c3e47_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:32:47 -0700 From: Dexter Sy Subject: [NG] USA Today Reveals GameCube Pricing, E3 and Rogue II details GameCube has a short article recapping each of the consoles and talking about their position for E3. Here are a few highlights from their report: - - GameCube's Rogue Squadron II uses CG models ILM built for the Star Wars Special Edition movies. The original ILM models were not downsized or scaled back. Allowing Rouge Squadron II to have ships that look look exactly like those found in the movie. - -GameCube is expected to come in for less than $200 . XBox is expected to be about $300 - -Nintendo plans to display three dozen (36) GameCube games at E3. I'm assuming that includes games shown on video. Here's the full article: Next week, Nintendo officially unwraps GameCube for the USA at the annual Electronic Entertainment Expo trade show in Los Angeles. This rare double launch, along with a new wave of PS2 games that will take full advantage of its capabilities, is creating unparalleled anticipation. Analysts predict revenues may jump from $7.5 billion in 2000 to $10 billion this year. "It's a big challenge for us launching all of these systems, but it's great the industry is getting all this attention," says Jeff Griffiths, a senior vice president of the Electronics Boutique chain. Each new generation of systems, from the first Nintendo Entertainment System to the PS2, has delivered more sophisticated graphics and gameplay. This next wave promises to push the envelope further. Nintendo is drawing particularly good buzz. Thanks to the GameCube's graphics-crunching ability, LucasArts developers working on the game Rogue Squadron II were able to digitally insert actual models that Industrial Light & Magic created for the theatrical re-release of Star Wars. In the past, developers had to scale back the ILM models for games; this is the first time that X-wings, AT-AT walkers and other crafts could be re-created to scale and detail. "Believe it or not, it actually looks like the original movie," says LucasArts president Simon Jeffery. Like GameCube, Xbox and PS2 boast processors that rival or exceed the power of those in high-end PCs, and the systems play games on discs that can hold gigabytes of data. The result: unparalleled eye candy, thanks to the systems' abilities to render millions of graphic elements each second. "All of them are strong systems, and they have brought graphics to almost the standards of television," says Nintendo's Peter Main. "The key will be who has the most compelling software." Nintendo and Microsoft will announce specific games for their new systems at next week's Expo. System prices and firmer release plans are expected as well. Industry experts predict that GameCube will sell for less than $200, the Xbox, about $300. Nintendo plans to display about three dozen GameCube games at the show, including longtime Nintendo favorites Mario and Zelda. Next month also marks the launch of the company's Game Boy Advance. The stand-alone handheld game system is designed to connect to the GameCube as a controller as well. "It's a bit of a Trojan horse for us," Main says. - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 17:44:10 -0400 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [NG] Rogue Squadron Hands On -- and not by NG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C0D978.D1EDCF20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Devil929@aol.com=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [NG] Rogue Squadron Hands On -- and not by NG Check this out:=20 http://www.msnbc.com/news/571518.asp?cp1=3D1=20 Steven Kent got his hands on RS2 as well as an early peek at Madden = 2002 on=20 GCN and things look good for GameCube. Real good. Especially when you = look at=20 that glorious high quality screenshot at the top.=20 Mmmm.=20 Aldo Merino=20 ------------------=20 Tendo Box=20 http://www.tendobox.com=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- That picture sure looks nice, but as a veteran of the console wars I'm = skeptical. It looks too nice. I mean, we all know about the Turok and = Robotech: Crystal Dreams SGI renders, and then later they show us actual = shots and there is a bit of let-down. But still, a true to the movie = recreation of the first Death Star battle? I've been waiting years for = that. Wading through games where they came close like Atari's vector = based coin-op, Lucas Arts' Super Star Wars (damn, was that a letdown at = the end of a painfully difficult game), to Star Wars Arcade for the = 32-X, and most recently the almost good but really flawed Trench Battle = in Rogue Squadron (since when were there 90 degree turns in the = Trench?), to SEGA's beautiful, but not very interactive, Star Wars = Trilogy coin-op.=20 If Rogue Squadron 2 can match the graphics of SEGA's Star Wars Trilogy = with the excellent control of Rogue Squadron, then Nintendo has me hook, = line, and sinker. On a related note, does anybody know the hardware = used for SEGA's Star Wars Trilogy? I'm guessing it's either Model 3 or = NAOMI, but I'd really like to know. ~~ Dave ~~ =20 "Being poor really sucks arse." Treytable@sega.net AIM: Super Trey Bros - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C0D978.D1EDCF20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Devil929@aol.com=20

To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =

Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 = 2:56=20 PM

Subject: Re: [NG] Rogue = Squadron Hands On=20 -- and not by NG

Check this = out:=20

http://www.msnbc.co= m/news/571518.asp?cp1=3D1=20

Steven Kent got his hands on RS2 as well as an early peek at = Madden=20 2002 on
GCN and things look good for GameCube. Real good. = Especially when=20 you look at
that glorious high quality screenshot at the top.=20

Mmmm.

Aldo Merino
------------------
Tendo Box =
http://www.tendobox.com=20

That picture sure looks nice, but as a = veteran of=20 the console wars I'm skeptical. It looks too nice. I mean, we all know = about the=20 Turok and Robotech: Crystal Dreams SGI renders, and then later they show = us=20 actual shots and there is a bit of let-down. But still, a true to the = movie=20 recreation of the first Death Star battle? I've been waiting years for = that.=20 Wading through games where they came close like Atari's vector based = coin-op,=20 Lucas Arts' Super Star Wars (damn, was that a letdown at the end of a = painfully=20 difficult game), to Star Wars Arcade for the 32-X, and most recently the = almost=20 good but really flawed Trench Battle in Rogue Squadron (since when were = there 90=20 degree turns in the Trench?), to SEGA's beautiful, but not very = interactive,=20 Star Wars Trilogy coin-op.

If Rogue Squadron 2 can match the = graphics of=20 SEGA's Star Wars Trilogy with the excellent control of Rogue Squadron, = then=20 Nintendo has me hook, line, and sinker. On a related note, does = anybody=20 know the hardware used for SEGA's Star Wars Trilogy? I'm guessing it's = either=20 Model 3 or NAOMI, but I'd really like to know.

~~ Dave ~~
=
"Being poor=20 really sucks arse."
Treytable@sega.net
AIM: = Super Trey=20 Bros

- ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C0D978.D1EDCF20-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:17:41 -0700 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [NG] Rogue Squadron Hands On -- and not by NG - --------------3CD485F0BDC59EA5E3A41C0A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > That picture sure looks nice, but as a veteran of the console wars > I'm skeptical. It looks too nice. I mean, we all know about the Turok > and Robotech: Crystal Dreams SGI renders, and then later they show us > actual shots and there is a bit of let-down. But still, a true to the > movie recreation of the first Death Star battle? I've been waiting > years for that. Wading through games where they came close like > Atari's vector based coin-op, Lucas Arts' Super Star Wars (damn, was > that a letdown at the end of a painfully difficult game), to Star Wars > Arcade for the 32-X, and most recently the almost good but really > flawed Trench Battle in Rogue Squadron (since when were there 90 > degree turns in the Trench?), to SEGA's beautiful, but not very > interactive, Star Wars Trilogy coin-op. If Rogue Squadron 2 can match > the graphics of SEGA's Star Wars Trilogy with the excellent control of > Rogue Squadron, then Nintendo has me hook, line, and sinker. On a > related note, does anybody know the hardware used for SEGA's Star Wars > Trilogy? I'm guessing it's either Model 3 or NAOMI, but I'd really > like to know. That picture at MSNBC or in Next-Generation isn't pre-rendered. Next-Generation had disclaimer in their article as well. Sega's Star Wars Trilger is Model 3 I believe. Very good game. That was my game of choice when I visited the video arcade at Disney World. You could play there for as long as you want too. no quarters required :) If I remember correctly, the graphics were Dreamcast quality. Crisp, high res, high polygon, but not near the kind of visuals LucasArts has shown with Rogue Leader. And yes, Canada sometimes get NG before you do. eheheh :) - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com - --------------3CD485F0BDC59EA5E3A41C0A Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

That picture sure looks nice, but as a veteran of the console wars I'm skeptical. It looks too nice. I mean, we all know about the Turok and Robotech: Crystal Dreams SGI renders, and then later they show us actual shots and there is a bit of let-down. But still, a true to the movie recreation of the first Death Star battle? I've been waiting years for that. Wading through games where they came close like Atari's vector based coin-op, Lucas Arts' Super Star Wars (damn, was that a letdown at the end of a painfully difficult game), to Star Wars Arcade for the 32-X, and most recently the almost good but really flawed Trench Battle in Rogue Squadron (since when were there 90 degree turns in the Trench?), to SEGA's beautiful, but not very interactive, Star Wars Trilogy coin-op. If Rogue Squadron 2 can match the graphics of SEGA's Star Wars Trilogy with the excellent control of Rogue Squadron, then Nintendo has me hook, line, and sinker. On a related note, does anybody know the hardware used for SEGA's Star Wars Trilogy? I'm guessing it's either Model 3 or NAOMI, but I'd really like to know.

That picture at MSNBC or in Next-Generation isn't pre-rendered. Next-Generation had disclaimer in their article as well.

Sega's Star Wars Trilger is Model 3 I believe. Very good game. That was my game of choice when I visited the video arcade at Disney World. You could play there for as long as you want too. no quarters required :)

If I remember correctly, the graphics were Dreamcast quality. Crisp, high res, high polygon, but not near the kind of visuals LucasArts has shown with Rogue Leader.

And yes, Canada sometimes get NG before you do. eheheh :)
--
Dexter S.
Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine
Http://www.tendobox.com
- --------------3CD485F0BDC59EA5E3A41C0A-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 17:07:50 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] Next g magazine > > What version of acrobat are you using. > > I have 3.1 and it's all black. > > > > Luke > > > > Same thing happened with mine. Just get the latest version. I am using 4.0 currently and nothing was blacked out. Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 17:22:13 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] Rogue Squadron Hands On -- and not by NG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C0D975.C107F8A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That picture sure looks nice, but as a veteran of the console wars I'm = skeptical. It looks too nice. I mean, we all know about the Turok and = Robotech: Crystal Dreams SGI renders, and then later they show us actual = shots and there is a bit of let-down.>>>> I got that feeling too...it looks mysteriously better than all the other = shots of the RS2 that I have seen. <<< Wading through games where they came close like Atari's vector based = coin-op, Lucas Arts' Super Star Wars (damn, was that a letdown at the = end of a painfully difficult game), to Star Wars Arcade for the 32-X, = and most recently the almost good but really flawed Trench Battle in = Rogue Squadron (since when were there 90 degree turns in the Trench?), = to SEGA's beautiful, but not very interactive, Star Wars Trilogy = coin-op. >>>> Haha...those stupid right angle turns really annoyed me too. =20 Stryder - ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C0D975.C107F8A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I got that feeling too...it looks = mysteriously=20 better than all the other shots of the RS2 that I have = seen.

<<< Wading through games = where they=20 came close like Atari's vector based coin-op, Lucas Arts' Super Star = Wars (damn,=20 was that a letdown at the end of a painfully difficult game), to Star = Wars=20 Arcade for the 32-X, and most recently the almost good but really flawed = Trench=20 Battle in Rogue Squadron (since when were there 90 degree turns in the = Trench?),=20 to SEGA's beautiful, but not very interactive, Star Wars Trilogy = coin-op.=20 >>>>

Haha...those stupid right angle turns = really=20 annoyed me too.

Stryder

- ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C0D975.C107F8A0-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:59:02 -0700 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [NG] Rogue Squadron Hands On -- and not by NG - --------------86AC9273816426B070E19EB6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thraxen wrote: > That picture sure looks nice, but as a veteran of the console wars I'm > skeptical. It looks too nice. I mean, we all know about the Turok and > Robotech: Crystal Dreams SGI renders, and then later they show us > actual shots and there is a bit of let-down.>>>> I got that feeling > too...it looks mysteriously better than all the other shots of the RS2 > that I have seen. Doubt it. You'd expect a console that can do 12 to 15 million polygons with all effects turned on to come up with something close to that. In fact, I'm just browsing through my NG mag and there's a similar shot If you read Steven Kent's write up, its obviously clear that its all real. And it's hard to see how he can fudge things up. He'd probably own all our asses when it comes to being jaded. he's seen more next-generation wares currently being developed than anyone. I seriously suggest you folks go out and read up on the relevant articles to the game. It sounds amazing, but it really is. Here's a scan from the same set as the picture shown in the MSNBC article. http://www.geocities.com/teamreavers/bespin.jpg - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com - --------------86AC9273816426B070E19EB6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Thraxen wrote:

That picture sure looks nice, but as a veteran of the console wars I'm skeptical. It looks too nice. I mean, we all know about the Turok and Robotech: Crystal Dreams SGI renders, and then later they show us actual shots and there is a bit of let-down.>>>> I got that feeling too...it looks mysteriously better than all the other shots of the RS2 that I have seen.

Doubt it. You'd expect a console that can do 12 to 15 million polygons with all effects turned on to come up with something close to that.

In fact, I'm just browsing through my NG mag and there's a similar shot

If you read Steven Kent's write up, its obviously clear that its all real. And it's hard to see how he can fudge things up. He'd probably own all our asses when it comes to being jaded. he's seen more next-generation wares currently being developed than anyone.

I seriously suggest you folks go out and read up on the relevant articles to the game. It sounds amazing, but it really is.

Here's a scan from the same set as the picture shown in the MSNBC article.
http://www.geocities.com/teamreavers/bespin.jpg

--
Dexter S.
Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine
Http://www.tendobox.com
- --------------86AC9273816426B070E19EB6-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:05:12 -0700 From: Dexter Sy Subject: [NG] LUCAS ARTS RELEASES SCREENS Lucas Arts has finally updated its website with several new screens for Rogue Leader. Enjoy http://www.lucasarts.com/e3/six/ - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 19:49:04 -0400 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [NG] Next g magazine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0D98A.44B990A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thraxen=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [NG] Next g magazine > > What version of acrobat are you using. > > I have 3.1 and it's all black. > > > > Luke > > > > Same thing happened with mine. Just get the latest version. I am using 4.0 currently and nothing was blacked out. Stryder - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- Easy for you to say Mr. DSL.=20 ~~ Dave ~~ =20 "Being poor really sucks arse." Treytable@sega.net AIM: Super Trey Bros - ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0D98A.44B990A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Thraxen =

To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =

Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 = 6:07=20 PM

Subject: Re: [NG] Next g = magazine

> = >         What=20 version of acrobat are you using.
>=20 >         I have 3.1 and = it's all=20 black.
> >
>=20 >         Luke
>=20 >
>
> Same thing happened with mine.

Just = get the=20 latest version. I am using 4.0 currently and nothing = was
blacked=20 out.

Stryder

Easy for you to say Mr. DSL. =

~~ Dave ~~
=
"Being poor=20 really sucks arse."
Treytable@sega.net
AIM: = Super Trey=20 Bros

- ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0D98A.44B990A0-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 18:54:07 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] Next g magazine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C0D982.978C3CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just get the latest version. I am using 4.0 currently and nothing was blacked out. Stryder>>>>> Easy for you to say Mr. DSL. ~~ Dave ~~>>>>> :-) The latest verison is 5.0...it's only 9.76 MB, so it shouldn't take = all that long...even if you only have dial-up. Stryder - ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C0D982.978C3CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Just get the latest version. I am using 4.0 currently and = nothing=20 was
blacked out.

Stryder>>>>>

Easy for you to say Mr. = DSL.

~~ Dave = ~~>>>>>

:-) The latest verison is = 5.0...it's only=20 9.76 MB, so it shouldn't take all that long...even if you only have=20 dial-up.

Stryder

- ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C0D982.978C3CE0-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 20:02:49 -0400 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [NG] Next g magazine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C0D98C.30380380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thraxen=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [NG] Next g magazine Just get the latest version. I am using 4.0 currently and nothing was blacked out. Stryder>>>>> Easy for you to say Mr. DSL. =20 ~~ Dave ~~>>>>> =20 =20 :-) The latest verison is 5.0...it's only 9.76 MB, so it shouldn't = take all that long...even if you only have dial-up. =20 Stryder =20 =20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- I don't know about that. I've been having problems downloading even the = darn 3.5 Meg PDF, darn transaction keeps stopping.=20 ~~ Dave ~~ =20 "Being poor really sucks arse." Treytable@sega.net AIM: Super Trey Bros - ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C0D98C.30380380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Thraxen =

To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =

Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 = 7:54=20 PM

Subject: Re: [NG] Next g = magazine

Just get the latest version. I am using 4.0 currently and = nothing=20 was
blacked out.

Stryder>>>>>

Easy for you to say Mr. = DSL.

~~ Dave = ~~>>>>>

:-) The latest verison is = 5.0...it's only=20 9.76 MB, so it shouldn't take all that long...even if you only have=20 dial-up.

Stryder

I don't know about that. I've been having problems downloading even = the=20 darn 3.5 Meg PDF, darn transaction keeps stopping.

~~ Dave ~~

"Being poor really sucks=20 arse."
Treytable@sega.net
AIM: = Super Trey=20 Bros

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