From: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com (NGamers-digest) To: ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: NGamers-digest V1 #1552 Reply-To: NGamers-digest Sender: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk NGamers-digest Friday, May 25 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1552 Re: [NG] Canada + Canadian developers Re: [NG] Canada + Canadian developers Re: [NG] Canada does have it's own silicon valley Re: [NG] hmm, interesting Re: [NG] Console Wars Article Re: [NG] Console Wars Article Re: [NG] Console Wars Article Re: [NG] Nintendo is still in trouble / Sonic Re: [NG] Canada + Canadian developers Re: [NG] Canada + Canadian developers Re: [NG] Canada does have it's own silicon valley ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 17:48:11 EDT From: Devil929@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Canada + Canadian developers - --part1_d7.7095b86.28402d1b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stupidity isn't limited to America; it's a worldwide problem. Visit any message board for proof. I assure you, has I stopped to interrogate a few Canadians during my brief stay there, I certainly would've walked away a bit frustrated myself. It's just a global problem... And yes, there are Canadian developers. Silicon Knights, H2O (Tetrisphere, Aidyn Chronicles), and some others are located there including one of EA's divisions (I believe the team that worked on SSX). It's not the hot spot Silicon Valley, New York, or Austin, TX is, but there are a number of big (and smaller) ones there. Aldo Merino - ----------------- Tendo Box http://www.tendobox.com In a message dated 5/25/01 4:42:36 PM Central Daylight Time, d.fentie@home.com writes: > Yeah. I think we had a big deal about this before (some actually got > booted off the list). We have hostility because it makes us mad that > USA thinks we are so insigificant and worthless in the scheme of > things. Sure most peopel in the USA can recite all their states and > have pride in it by grade 4 but when I travelled down to to central USA > a few years ago there were some people who were convinced we lived in > igloos (except those in Toronto). SOME have no clue. It also made me > mad when they asked if I knew one of their cousins up there in > Toronto... "yeah his name is John White".... the ignorance. > > O well I guess that's life. Keeping this on topic, are there any > Canadian developers? I can't remember. Isn't silicon knights a > - --part1_d7.7095b86.28402d1b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stupidity isn't limited to America; it's a worldwide problem. Visit any
message board for proof. I assure you, has I stopped to interrogate a few
Canadians during my brief stay there, I certainly would've walked away a bit
frustrated myself. It's just a global problem...

And yes, there are Canadian developers. Silicon Knights, H2O (Tetrisphere,
Aidyn Chronicles), and some others are located there including one of EA's
divisions (I believe the team that worked on SSX). It's not the hot spot
Silicon Valley, New York, or Austin, TX is, but there are a number of big
(and smaller) ones there.

Aldo Merino
-----------------
Tendo Box
http://www.tendobox.com

In a message dated 5/25/01 4:42:36 PM Central Daylight Time,
d.fentie@home.com writes:


Yeah.  I think we had a big deal about this before (some actually got
booted off the list).  We have hostility because it makes us mad that
USA thinks we are so insigificant and worthless in the scheme of
things.  Sure most peopel in the USA can recite all their states and
have pride in it by grade 4 but when I travelled down to to central USA
a few years ago there were some people who were convinced we lived in
igloos (except those in Toronto).  SOME have no clue.  It also made me
mad when they asked if I knew one of their cousins up there in
Toronto... "yeah his name is John White"....  the ignorance.

O well I guess that's life.  Keeping this on topic, are there any
Canadian developers?  I can't remember.  Isn't silicon knights a
Canadian company????


 - --part1_d7.7095b86.28402d1b_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 17:48:52 EDT From: Jedcross2@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Canada + Canadian developers - --part1_a2.14aae8bc.28402d44_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/25/01 5:42:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, d.fentie@home.com writes: > Yeah. I think we had a big deal about this before (some actually got > booted off the list). We have hostility because it makes us mad that > USA thinks we are so insigificant and worthless in the scheme of > things. Sure most peopel in the USA can recite all their states and > have pride in it by grade 4 but when I travelled down to to central USA > a few years ago there were some people who were convinced we lived in > igloos (except those in Toronto). SOME have no clue. It also made me > mad when they asked if I knew one of their cousins up there in > Toronto... "yeah his name is John White".... the ignorance. > > O well I guess that's life. Keeping this on topic, are there any > Canadian developers? I can't remember. Isn't silicon knights a > Canadian company???? Ya, it is a Canadian company, And so is Corel, Alcatel, Nortel and several others=) But Nintendo of Canada? And BTW, GameCube is cheaper in Canada than it is in the USA. Canadians pay $299.99(which is quite a lot) which is equal to something less than the 199.99 USD price of GameCube. Let's put it this way, when I checked the currency coverter, 0.65 US cents=1 CDN, so it did this 199.99USD=308.67 CDN(I think) - -Jed - --part1_a2.14aae8bc.28402d44_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/25/01 5:42:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
d.fentie@home.com writes:


Yeah.  I think we had a big deal about this before (some actually got
booted off the list).  We have hostility because it makes us mad that
USA thinks we are so insigificant and worthless in the scheme of
things.  Sure most peopel in the USA can recite all their states and
have pride in it by grade 4 but when I travelled down to to central USA
a few years ago there were some people who were convinced we lived in
igloos (except those in Toronto).  SOME have no clue.  It also made me
mad when they asked if I knew one of their cousins up there in
Toronto... "yeah his name is John White"....  the ignorance.

O well I guess that's life.  Keeping this on topic, are there any
Canadian developers?  I can't remember.  Isn't silicon knights a
Canadian company????

Ya, it is a Canadian company, And so is Corel, Alcatel, Nortel and several
others=)
But Nintendo of Canada? And BTW, GameCube is cheaper in Canada than it is in
the USA.
Canadians pay $299.99(which is quite a lot) which is equal to something less
than the 199.99 USD price of GameCube. Let's put it this way, when I checked
the currency coverter, 0.65 US cents=1 CDN, so it did this
199.99USD=308.67 CDN(I think)

-Jed - --part1_a2.14aae8bc.28402d44_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 17:51:03 EDT From: Jedcross2@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Canada does have it's own silicon valley - --part1_68.f298f78.28402dc7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/25/01 5:49:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Devil929@aol.com writes: > And yes, there are Canadian developers. Silicon Knights, H2O (Tetrisphere, > Aidyn Chronicles), and some others are located there including one of EA's > divisions (I believe the team that worked on SSX). It's not the hot spot > Silicon Valley, New York, or Austin, TX is, but there are a number of big > (and smaller) ones there. > > Aldo Merino > Excuse me Aldo, but there sorta is a silicon valley up here in Canada. Ottawa has been starting to boom like crazy in the past year, and the high tech is crazy. So Ottawa is the "Silicon Valley of the North" - -Jed dammit, lots of long months of summer until snow comes... - --part1_68.f298f78.28402dc7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/25/01 5:49:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Devil929@aol.com
writes:


And yes, there are Canadian developers. Silicon Knights, H2O (Tetrisphere,
Aidyn Chronicles), and some others are located there including one of EA's
divisions (I believe the team that worked on SSX). It's not the hot spot
Silicon Valley, New York, or Austin, TX is, but there are a number of big
(and smaller) ones there.

Aldo Merino

Excuse me Aldo, but there sorta is a silicon valley up here in Canada. Ottawa
has been starting to boom like crazy in the past year, and the high tech is
crazy. So Ottawa is the "Silicon Valley of the North"

-Jed
dammit, lots of long months of summer until snow comes...

- --part1_68.f298f78.28402dc7_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:53:57 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] hmm, interesting This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C0E53B.4A3E4540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dexter Sy=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 3:13 AM Subject: Re: [NG] hmm, interesting Yeah. www.gamecube.com was registered before Nintendo announced there = would be a Nintendo GameCube last august.=20 Their legal department has been contacted, or at least that's my = impression. Expect something to happen soon. >>>>> Hehehe...that's pretty funny. Although, something really does need to = be done...whether it be through the courts or by paying whoever owns the = site. Can't have young kids stumbling into that site...and I'm sure = Nintendo won't want to risk angering any parents over the issue. Stryder - ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C0E53B.4A3E4540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dexter = Sy=20
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 3:13 = AM
Subject: Re: [NG] hmm, = interesting

Yeah.  www.gamecube.com was registered = before=20 Nintendo announced there would be a Nintendo GameCube last august.=20

Their legal department has been contacted, or at least that's my=20 impression.  Expect something to happen soon. = >>>>>

Hehehe...that's pretty funny.  = Although,=20 something really does need to be done...whether it be through the = courts or by=20 paying whoever owns the site.  Can't have young kids stumbling = into that=20 site...and I'm sure Nintendo won't want to risk angering any parents = over the=20 issue.

 

Stryder

- ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C0E53B.4A3E4540-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 17:06:02 -0500 From: "Geoff Taylor" Subject: Re: [NG] Console Wars Article > I actually think that Microsoft's reputation has finally caught up with them. > After years of releasing inferior products and bare-minimum upgrades, I think > many people simply don't want to play their games on something associated > with such mediocrity, especially if you have two tried-and-true brands like > Sony's PlayStation and Nintendo. > > Man, if MS can't break into the industry with all of their billions of > dollars, it woulda been really funny to see how the Indrema would have fared > ... > > ~Matt > I disagree. Microsoft has produced a powerful machine. Whether or not they can get developers to produce quality console games for the Xbox is still up in the air. The Xbox has many solid games and will sell. The problem, as I see it, is that Microsoft is having a very hard time getting people to see the Xbox as something more than an extension to its PC gaming platform. Add a keyboard and mouse to the Xbox and you've definitely got a better gaming system than most PCs which will attract the attention of PC gamers who would never consider a PS2 or Gamecube, but unless Microsoft can attract console gamers the Xbox will never be more than a niche interest. It's a rather big chicken and the egg problem for Microsoft. As Microsoft sees this, they have to win. There's no question about it. There's more at stake here than just gaming. It's getting that box in there connected to the living room television that counts. Get 'em hooked with games and keep 'em coming back for everything else you can throw at them later. Anyone that thinks Microsoft is entering this business "just because" is fooling themselves. Sony moved in on Microsoft's territory with the introduction of the PS2. By moving beyond gaming Sony forced Microsoft to produce a game system or give up any chance at being there in our living rooms. It's their back door approach to getting folks all comfortable with the PS name. Right now the world may not be ready for set boxes and all-in-one entertainment packages but it's only a matter of time and Microsoft and Sony hope to be the ones there ready to deliver. PS2, Xbox, WebTV, Ultimate TV... they're all just different back doors into your living room. The future isn't in your computer somewhere in your bedrooms or offices. It's in your living room, where it has always been with the family radio and television. On a side note, either Nintendo is holding back its cards by repeatedly claiming that it is only interested in producing a system for games or they are making a huge mistake. By focusing on gaming Nintendo is producing a system that is best for today, but they are leaving themselves vulnerable in the long term by doing so. It's hard to believe that Nintendo is truly so naive though. I hope they have something up their sleeve or in a few generations they could be forced to follow Sega in leaving the hardware business. But again, I can't believe Nintendo doesn't have some sort of plan that goes beyond the simple approach they are using for Gamecube. Geoff Taylor - ------------- GameBoy Station http://www.gbstation.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 17:09:19 -0500 From: "Geoff Taylor" Subject: Re: [NG] Console Wars Article > > True. Not to mention some fields Microsoft tried to muscle into has > lead to a statemate. RealNetworks is still around. > -- > Dexter S. > Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine > Http://www.tendobox.com > AOL6.0 will be bundled with Windows XP. So what? AOL's contract with RealNetworks runs out in July. Microsoft's Media Player 8 will be integrated into AOL6.0, replacing RealPlayer. That's gotta be a real kick for RealNetworks. But we're all getting a bit off-topic. Geoff Taylor - ------------- GameBoy Station http://www.gbstation.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:22:11 EDT From: Devil929@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Console Wars Article - --part1_90.14d92e7f.28403513_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Considering the Nintendo Entertainment System itself was a Trojan horse, and every Nintendo system has had larger plans than what Nintendo originally let on, I think it's safe to say Nintendo has a Plan B for the GameCube and just about every other system it makes. Aldo Merino - ------------------ Tendo Box http://www.tendobox.com In a message dated 5/25/01 5:06:55 PM Central Daylight Time, geo_tay@hotmail.com writes: > On a side note, either Nintendo is holding back its cards by repeatedly > claiming that it is only interested in producing a system for games or they > are making a huge mistake. By focusing on gaming Nintendo is producing a > system that is best for today, but they are leaving themselves vulnerable in > the long term by doing so. It's hard to believe that Nintendo is truly so > naive though. I hope they have something up their sleeve or in a few > generations they could be forced to follow Sega in leaving the hardware > business. But again, I can't believe Nintendo doesn't have some sort of > plan that goes beyond the simple approach they are using for Gamecube. > > Geoff Taylor > ------------- > GameBoy Station > - --part1_90.14d92e7f.28403513_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Considering the Nintendo Entertainment System itself was a Trojan horse, and
every Nintendo system has had larger plans than what Nintendo originally let
on, I think it's safe to say Nintendo has a Plan B for the GameCube and just
about every other system it makes.

Aldo Merino
------------------
Tendo Box
http://www.tendobox.com

In a message dated 5/25/01 5:06:55 PM Central Daylight Time,
geo_tay@hotmail.com writes:


On a side note, either Nintendo is holding back its cards by repeatedly
claiming that it is only interested in producing a system for games or they
are making a huge mistake.  By focusing on gaming Nintendo is producing a
system that is best for today, but they are leaving themselves vulnerable in
the long term by doing so.  It's hard to believe that Nintendo is truly so
naive though.  I hope they have something up their sleeve or in a few
generations they could be forced to follow Sega in leaving the hardware
business.  But again, I can't believe Nintendo doesn't have some sort of
plan that goes beyond the simple approach they are using for Gamecube.

Geoff Taylor
-------------
GameBoy Station
http://www.gbstation.com


 - --part1_90.14d92e7f.28403513_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 17:07:49 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] Nintendo is still in trouble / Sonic > Not to go tootin' our own horn, but since ignpocket doesn't have any screens > posted, I'll mention the seven we recently posted... > > The GBA titles can be found at the bottom of the page... > http://www.gbstation.com/releases.html Hmmm...didn't see them anywhere. You guys really need some sort of "previews" section. Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 17:28:33 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] Canada + Canadian developers > Yeah. I think we had a big deal about this before (some actually got > booted off the list). We have hostility because it makes us mad that > USA thinks we are so insigificant and worthless in the scheme of > things. Sure most peopel in the USA can recite all their states and > have pride in it by grade 4 but when I travelled down to to central USA > a few years ago there were some people who were convinced we lived in > igloos (except those in Toronto). SOME have no clue. It also made me > mad when they asked if I knew one of their cousins up there in > Toronto... "yeah his name is John White".... the ignorance. Hmmm...that's not an accurate way to portray the situation at all. Yes, Americans, in general, tend to be lacking in geographical/political knowledge of other countries...but I don't think it's because they think Canada, or other countries, are "worthless". It may not be the best attitude around, but I think Americans tend to be driven by more by what they "need to know". Honestly, other than for simple awareness of other countries, there is no "need to know" anything about Canada until some sort of issue pops up. I personally, know most of the world map, but as far as politics goes...hell, I don't know hardly any leaders of other nations....except for ones like Iraq that cause problems regularly...again, a "need to know" sort of situation. But I honestly don't think it's based in any sort of disrespect by most people. Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:26:28 -0700 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [NG] Canada + Canadian developers - --------------B1A311CFCA5BC8B3F2D5083B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ATI is a Canadian company and they are my choice for graphic cards. Best in the world. Dex Jedcross2@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/25/01 5:42:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > d.fentie@home.com writes: > > > >> Yeah. I think we had a big deal about this before (some actually >> got >> booted off the list). We have hostility because it makes us mad >> that >> USA thinks we are so insigificant and worthless in the scheme of >> things. Sure most peopel in the USA can recite all their states and >> >> have pride in it by grade 4 but when I travelled down to to central >> USA >> a few years ago there were some people who were convinced we lived >> in >> igloos (except those in Toronto). SOME have no clue. It also made >> me >> mad when they asked if I knew one of their cousins up there in >> Toronto... "yeah his name is John White".... the ignorance. >> >> O well I guess that's life. Keeping this on topic, are there any >> Canadian developers? I can't remember. Isn't silicon knights a >> Canadian company???? > > > > > Ya, it is a Canadian company, And so is Corel, Alcatel, Nortel and > several > others=) > But Nintendo of Canada? And BTW, GameCube is cheaper in Canada than it > is in > the USA. > Canadians pay $299.99(which is quite a lot) which is equal to > something less > than the 199.99 USD price of GameCube. Let's put it this way, when I > checked > the currency coverter, 0.65 US cents=1 CDN, so it did this > 199.99USD=308.67 CDN(I think) > > -Jed - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com - --------------B1A311CFCA5BC8B3F2D5083B Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ATI is a Canadian company and they are my choice for graphic cards.

Best in the world.

Dex

Jedcross2@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 5/25/01 5:42:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
d.fentie@home.com writes:
 
 
Yeah.  I think we had a big deal about this before (some actually got
booted off the list).  We have hostility because it makes us mad that
USA thinks we are so insigificant and worthless in the scheme of
things.  Sure most peopel in the USA can recite all their states and
have pride in it by grade 4 but when I travelled down to to central USA
a few years ago there were some people who were convinced we lived in
igloos (except those in Toronto).  SOME have no clue.  It also made me
mad when they asked if I knew one of their cousins up there in
Toronto... "yeah his name is John White"....  the ignorance.

O well I guess that's life.  Keeping this on topic, are there any
Canadian developers?  I can't remember.  Isn't silicon knights a
Canadian company????


 

Ya, it is a Canadian company, And so is Corel, Alcatel, Nortel and several
others=)
But Nintendo of Canada? And BTW, GameCube is cheaper in Canada than it is in
the USA.
Canadians pay $299.99(which is quite a lot) which is equal to something less
than the 199.99 USD price of GameCube. Let's put it this way, when I checked
the currency coverter, 0.65 US cents=1 CDN, so it did this
199.99USD=308.67 CDN(I think)

-Jed

--
Dexter S.
Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine
Http://www.tendobox.com
  - --------------B1A311CFCA5BC8B3F2D5083B-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:27:32 -0700 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [NG] Canada does have it's own silicon valley - --------------FFF9EC0F41A375AAC039DDAB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Excuse me Aldo, but there sorta is a silicon valley up here in Canada. > Ottawa > has been starting to boom like crazy in the past year, and the high > tech is > crazy. So Ottawa is the "Silicon Valley of the North" > > -Jed > dammit, lots of long months of summer until snow comes... > Well, each country has their silicon valley wannabe. But unless something happens to wipe silicon valley out, no one will be like the real silicon valley. Sorry to say. - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com - --------------FFF9EC0F41A375AAC039DDAB Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

Excuse me Aldo, but there sorta is a silicon valley up here in Canada. Ottawa
has been starting to boom like crazy in the past year, and the high tech is
crazy. So Ottawa is the "Silicon Valley of the North"

-Jed
dammit, lots of long months of summer until snow comes...
 

Well, each country has their silicon valley wannabe.  But unless something happens to wipe silicon valley out, no one will be like the real silicon valley.

Sorry to say.

--
Dexter S.
Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine
Http://www.tendobox.com
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