From: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com (NGamers-digest) To: ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: NGamers-digest V1 #1571 Reply-To: NGamers-digest Sender: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk NGamers-digest Friday, June 8 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1571 Re: [NG] GCN specs meaningless (Chris Charla was right) Re: [NG] GCN specs meaningless (Chris Charla was right) Re: [NG] GCN specs meaningless (Chris Charla was right) [NG] New Contest Re: [NG] GCN specs meaningless (Chris Charla was right) Re: [NG] GCN specs are changed Re: [NG] Flipper Re: [NG] Gamecube Modem (again) Re: [NG] the sad rhetoric of the fanboy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 11:35:10 EDT From: Nutz4n64@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] GCN specs meaningless (Chris Charla was right) - --part1_e3.15dc0a7b.28524aae_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en In a message dated 06/08/2001 10:07:21 AM Central Daylight Time,=20 treytable@sega.net writes: > What strikes me as funny is all the people branding the X-Box as a PC in a= =20 > box (console), so what that it has a Hard Drive, an Nvidia graphics card=20 > and an Intel CPU (that's the processor the processes stuff). But the=20 > Gamecube has an IBM CPU and an ATI graphics card, so why isn't it labeled=20= a=20 > PC in a box?=20 > =20 > What people will say to try to justify what they already bought or plan to= =20 > buy. > =20 > Why doesn't anybody call the Dreamcast a PC in a box? It's the only=20 > currently console that has a modem standard issue, a mouse, and a keyboard= ,=20 > and the VGA adapter. Slap in Resident Evil 2 running on WinCE and that's a= =20 > PC in a box if I ever saw one. =3D) > =20 > ~~ Dave ~~ >=20 Well, that's just the sad rhetoric of the fanboy. C'mon, Dave, do you=20 remember the stuff I used to say to justify not buying a Dreamcast? - -Eric- =E2=80=9CNanda kanda to kikare tara Kotaete ageru ga yo no nasake Sekai no hakai o fusegu tame Sekai no heiwa o mamoru tame Ai to shinjitu no aku o turanuku Lovely charmy na kataki yaku Musashi! Kojiro! Ginga o kakeru Rocket dan no futari niwa White hole, shiroi ashita ga matteruze Nya-nte na!=E2=80=9D Rocket Dan- Pocket Monsters - --part1_e3.15dc0a7b.28524aae_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en In a message dated 06/08/= 2001 10:07:21 AM Central Daylight Time,=20
treytable@sega.net writes:

What strikes me as funny is= all the people branding the X-Box as a PC in a=20
box (console), so what that it has a Hard Drive, an Nvidia graphics card= =20
and an Intel CPU (that's the processor the processes stuff). But the=20
Gamecube has an IBM CPU and an ATI graphics card, so why isn't it labele= d a=20
PC in a box?
=20
What people will say to try to justify what they already bou= ght or plan to=20
buy.
=20
Why doesn't anybody call the Dreamcast a PC in a box? It's t= he only=20
currently console that has a modem standard issue, a mouse, and a keyboa= rd,=20
and the VGA adapter. Slap in Resident Evil 2 running on WinCE and that's= a=20
PC in a box if I ever saw one. =3D)
=20
~~ Dave ~~

Well, that's just the sad rhetoric of the fanboy. C'mon, Dave, do=20= you=20
remember the stuff I used to say to justify not buying a Dreamcast?
-Eric-

=E2=80=9CNanda kanda to kikare tara
Kotaete ageru ga yo no nasake
Sekai no hakai o fusegu tame
Sekai no heiwa o mamoru tame
Ai to shinjitu no aku o turanuku
Lovely charmy na kataki yaku
Musashi!
Kojiro!
Ginga o kakeru Rocket dan no futari niwa
White hole, shiroi ashita ga matteruze
Nya-nte na!=E2=80=9D

Rocket Dan- Pocket Monsters - --part1_e3.15dc0a7b.28524aae_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 11:45:33 EDT From: Devil929@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] GCN specs meaningless (Chris Charla was right) - --part1_e1.15d1ec65.28524d1d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All gaming machines are techincally computers, but not all are PCs. The Dreamcast was perhaps the first PC structured gaming machine, but the XBox is as well; perhaps even more so. While the GameCube has a few key components that computers do such as a microprocessor and graphics card, these parts are needed by all consoles. For the Xbox, the features are really more akin to a streamlined PC; heck it's practically DirectX in a box which is what J Allard stated in an early, early interview on the machine, Anyway, it's my notion that the PC (like Apple's Macintosh for computers) is ahead of its for gaming. It's not a bad thing, but developers haven't really tapped into the features as effectively, so if the Xbox gets big, it'll be interesting to see what traditional home console developers will do with it. Aldo Merino - ----------------- Tendo Box http://www.tendobox.com In a message dated 6/8/2001 8:07:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, treytable@sega.net writes: > What strikes me as funny is all the people branding the X-Box as a PC in a > box (console), so what that it has a Hard Drive, an Nvidia graphics card > and an Intel CPU (that's the processor the processes stuff). But the > Gamecube has an IBM CPU and an ATI graphics card, so why isn't it labeled a > PC in a box? > > What people will say to try to justify what they already bought or plan to > buy. > > Why doesn't anybody call the Dreamcast a PC in a box? It's the only > currently console that has a modem standard issue, a mouse, and a keyboard, > and the VGA adapter. Slap in Resident Evil 2 running on WinCE and that's a > PC in a box if I ever saw one. =) > > ~~ Dave ~~ > - --part1_e1.15d1ec65.28524d1d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All gaming machines are techincally computers, but not all are PCs. The
Dreamcast was perhaps the first PC structured gaming machine, but the XBox is
as well; perhaps even more so. While the GameCube has a few key components
that computers do such as a microprocessor and graphics card, these parts are
needed by all consoles. For the Xbox, the features are really more akin to a
streamlined PC; heck it's practically DirectX in a box which is what J Allard
stated in an early, early interview on the machine,

Anyway, it's my notion that the PC (like Apple's Macintosh for computers) is
ahead of its for gaming. It's not a bad thing, but developers haven't really
tapped into the features as effectively, so if the Xbox gets big, it'll be
interesting to see what traditional home console developers will do with it.

Aldo Merino
-----------------
Tendo Box
http://www.tendobox.com

In a message dated 6/8/2001 8:07:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
treytable@sega.net writes:

What strikes me as funny is all the people branding the X-Box as a PC in a
box (console), so what that it has a Hard Drive, an Nvidia graphics card
and an Intel CPU (that's the processor the processes stuff). But the
Gamecube has an IBM CPU and an ATI graphics card, so why isn't it labeled a
PC in a box?

What people will say to try to justify what they already bought or plan to
buy.

Why doesn't anybody call the Dreamcast a PC in a box? It's the only
currently console that has a modem standard issue, a mouse, and a keyboard,
and the VGA adapter. Slap in Resident Evil 2 running on WinCE and that's a
PC in a box if I ever saw one. =)

~~ Dave ~~

- --part1_e1.15d1ec65.28524d1d_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 11:03:28 -0500 From: "E. Jefferson" Subject: Re: [NG] GCN specs meaningless (Chris Charla was right) - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Dave Rhodes" Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com To: Subject: Re: [NG] GCN specs meaningless (Chris Charla was right) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 11:08:14 -0400 I think the PSX can do decent 3-D for games. Look at Spyro, Soul Reaver, or Gran Turismo 2. What strikes me as funny is all the people branding the X-Box as a PC in a box (console), so what that it has a Hard Drive, an Nvidia graphics card and an Intel CPU (that's the processor the processes stuff). But the Gamecube has an IBM CPU and an ATI graphics card, so why isn't it labeled a PC in a box? What people will say to try to justify what they already bought or plan to buy. Why doesn't anybody call the Dreamcast a PC in a box? It's the only currently console that has a modem standard issue, a mouse, and a keyboard, and the VGA adapter. Slap in Resident Evil 2 running on WinCE and that's a PC in a box if I ever saw one. =) ~~ Dave ~~ - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, one reason the 'PC in a box' label sticks to the X-Box is not only because of who's behind it, but also because of who's producing most of the components in the X-Box. True, consoles are essentially PCs, but when a company known to support PCs makes a console with features common to the pc (like a hard drive) then you call it what it looks like. Especially if you hate Microsoft. Gamecube's 'flipper' really wasn't done by ATI but the company that developed it was bought by ATI. So, while the company 'owns' the technology, they weren't the ones to develop it initally. Elliot _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 11:05:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Avery Subject: [NG] New Contest A new contest has started on N-Games. EBgames.com is sponsoring the contest. We are giving away 5 games for N64. Check out http://www.n-games.com/contest.shtml for details and to enter the contest. - -- Chris Avery averyc@io.com http://www.n-games.com/index.shtml [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 11:05:58 -0500 From: "E. Jefferson" Subject: Re: [NG] GCN specs meaningless (Chris Charla was right) - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Dave Rhodes" Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com To: Subject: Re: [NG] GCN specs meaningless (Chris Charla was right) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 11:08:14 -0400 I think the PSX can do decent 3-D for games. Look at Spyro, Soul Reaver, or Gran Turismo 2. What strikes me as funny is all the people branding the X-Box as a PC in a box (console), so what that it has a Hard Drive, an Nvidia graphics card and an Intel CPU (that's the processor the processes stuff). But the Gamecube has an IBM CPU and an ATI graphics card, so why isn't it labeled a PC in a box? What people will say to try to justify what they already bought or plan to buy. Why doesn't anybody call the Dreamcast a PC in a box? It's the only currently console that has a modem standard issue, a mouse, and a keyboard, and the VGA adapter. Slap in Resident Evil 2 running on WinCE and that's a PC in a box if I ever saw one. =) ~~ Dave ~~ - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, one reason the 'PC in a box' label sticks to the X-Box is not only because of who's behind it, but also because of who's producing most of the components in the X-Box. True, consoles are essentially PCs, but when a company known to support PCs makes a console with features common to the pc (like a hard drive) then you call it what it looks like. Especially if you hate Microsoft. Gamecube's 'flipper' really wasn't done by ATI but the company that developed it was bought by ATI. So, while the company 'owns' the technology, they weren't the ones to develop it initally. Elliot _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 10:58:12 -0600 From: Don Fentie Subject: Re: [NG] GCN specs are changed I'm talking about WinCE. Geoff Taylor wrote: > > > Yeah but I was being sarcastic about liking the definition... hence the > > ;). Usually when you define something you don't use the word you are > > defining in the definition... or the word 'whatever'. > > > > Anyway, I agree, about specs. They are getting so high now that a small > > change in MHZ is meaningless especially on the Gamecube where no > > operating system must also be operated in the background. > > Okay, so maybe you were being sarcastic but many others these days get all > hung up on the wrong numbers which really ticks me off. It's not that > someone misunderstands something, it's that so many people are doing it in > droves. It's all PR hype and so many gamers fall for it. I'm surprised > that the game system boxes don't have the MHz, polygon counts, etc printed > in huge letters all over the box. It'd grab attention for sure. Also, I > don't know how many times I've heard people griping about the 32-bit GBA not > having full 3D power like the PSX. Like the PSX actually can do decent 3D > anyway... ;) > > But what's this about the Gamecube not having an OS? Is this some reference > to Xbox and WinCE? Where did you get the idea that Gamecube doesn't have > it's own OS? Or that PS2 doesn't have one or Dreamcast? The consoles all > have (primitive) operating systems, only most aren't so well known like > WinCE. > > Geoff Taylor > ------------- > GameBoy Station > http://www.gbstation.com > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 15:41:13 -0400 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [NG] Flipper This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C0F031.72AEDCA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: E. Jefferson=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [NG] GCN specs meaningless (Chris Charla was right) Gamecube's 'flipper' really wasn't done by ATI but the company that=20 developed it was bought by ATI. So, while the company 'owns' the=20 technology, they weren't the ones to develop it initally. Elliot - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- ArtX was it that designed Flipper? ~~ Dave ~~ =20 Segma dogmattagram fishmarket stew Police in the corner gunnin' for you Appletoast bedheated furblanket rat Laugh when the shoot you Say, "Please don't do that!" -- Phish Treytable@sega.net AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C0F031.72AEDCA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 E. = Jefferson=20

To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =

Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 = 12:03=20 PM

Subject: Re: [NG] GCN specs = meaningless=20 (Chris Charla was right)

Gamecube's 'flipper' really wasn't done by ATI but the = company=20 that
developed it was bought by ATI. So, while the company = 'owns'=20 the
technology, they weren't the ones to develop it=20 initally.

Elliot

ArtX was it that designed = Flipper?

~~ Dave ~~
=
Segma=20 dogmattagram fishmarket stew
Police in the corner gunnin' for=20 you
Appletoast bedheated furblanket rat
Laugh when the shoot = you
Say,=20 "Please don't do that!" -- Phish
Treytable@sega.net
AIM: = Trey=20 Table

- ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C0F031.72AEDCA0-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 15:46:07 -0400 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [NG] Gamecube Modem (again) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C0F032.2231E460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Geoff Taylor=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [NG] Gamecube Modem (again) Personally, I wouldn't mind if they don't. I don't want to pay for a modem that I will never use and Nintendo is = not about to include a nic device. Geoff Taylor ------------- GameBoy Station http://www.gbstation.com - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- Not to start a Dexter/Stryder style shouting match, but do you think the = Dreamcast would have launched at a price less than $200 if it didn't = include the 56K Modem? Secondly, what the hell is a "nic device"? Lastly, does anybody think that Nintendo should have something on the = Gamecube where you could hook multiple systems together for something = like a LAN setup, or more closely, like how six PlayStation 2s can be = hooked together for Gran Turismo 3? ~~ Dave ~~ =20 Segma dogmattagram fishmarket stew Police in the corner gunnin' for you Appletoast bedheated furblanket rat Laugh when the shoot you Say, "Please don't do that!" -- Phish Treytable@sega.net AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C0F032.2231E460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Geoff=20 Taylor

To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =

Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 = 11:24=20 AM

Subject: Re: [NG] Gamecube = Modem=20 (again)

Personally, I wouldn't mind if they don't.
I = don't want=20 to pay for a modem that I will never use and Nintendo is not
about = to=20 include a nic device.

Geoff Taylor
-------------
GameBoy=20 Station
http://www.gbstation.com

Not to start a Dexter/Stryder style = shouting match,=20 but do you think the Dreamcast would have launched at a price less than = $200 if=20 it didn't include the 56K Modem?

Secondly, what the hell is a "nic=20 device"?

Lastly, does anybody think that = Nintendo should=20 have something on the Gamecube where you could hook multiple systems = together=20 for something like a LAN setup, or more closely, like how six = PlayStation 2s can=20 be hooked together for Gran Turismo 3?

- ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C0F032.2231E460-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 15:48:07 -0400 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [NG] the sad rhetoric of the fanboy This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C0F032.694DA0A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nutz4n64@aol.com=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [NG] GCN specs meaningless (Chris Charla was right) In a message dated 06/08/2001 10:07:21 AM Central Daylight Time,=20 treytable@sega.net writes:=20 What strikes me as funny is all the people branding the X-Box as a = PC in a=20 box (console), so what that it has a Hard Drive, an Nvidia graphics = card=20 and an Intel CPU (that's the processor the processes stuff). But the = Gamecube has an IBM CPU and an ATI graphics card, so why isn't it = labeled a=20 PC in a box?=20 What people will say to try to justify what they already bought or = plan to=20 buy.=20 Why doesn't anybody call the Dreamcast a PC in a box? It's the only=20 currently console that has a modem standard issue, a mouse, and a = keyboard,=20 and the VGA adapter. Slap in Resident Evil 2 running on WinCE and = that's a=20 PC in a box if I ever saw one. =3D)=20 ~~ Dave ~~=20 Well, that's just the sad rhetoric of the fanboy. C'mon, Dave, do you = remember the stuff I used to say to justify not buying a Dreamcast?=20 -Eric-=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- I don't remember what I had for dinner last night, how do you expect me = to remember that? The only ancient thing from this list that is etched = into my mind is somebody's quote. I'm not going to name names, but I = think we all know what I'm talking about. ;-) ~~ Dave ~~ =20 Segma dogmattagram fishmarket stew Police in the corner gunnin' for you Appletoast bedheated furblanket rat Laugh when the shoot you Say, "Please don't do that!" -- Phish Treytable@sega.net AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C0F032.694DA0A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Nutz4n64@aol.com=20

To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =

Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 = 11:35=20 AM

Subject: Re: [NG] GCN specs = meaningless=20 (Chris Charla was right)

In a = message dated=20 06/08/2001 10:07:21 AM Central Daylight Time,
treytable@sega.net writes: =

What strikes me as funny is all the people branding the = X-Box as=20 a PC in a
box (console), so what that it has a Hard Drive, an = Nvidia=20 graphics card
and an Intel CPU (that's the processor the = processes=20 stuff). But the
Gamecube has an IBM CPU and an ATI graphics = card, so why=20 isn't it labeled a
PC in a box?

What people will = say to try to=20 justify what they already bought or plan to
buy. =

Why doesn't anybody call the Dreamcast a PC in = a box?=20 It's the only
currently console that has a modem standard issue, = a=20 mouse, and a keyboard,
and the VGA adapter. Slap in Resident = Evil 2=20 running on WinCE and that's a
PC in a box if I ever saw one.=20 =3D)=20

~~ Dave ~~

Well, that's = just the sad=20 rhetoric of the fanboy. C'mon, Dave, do you
remember the = stuff I=20 used to say to justify not buying a Dreamcast?
-Eric-

I don't remember what I had for dinner = last night,=20 how do you expect me to remember that? The only ancient thing from this = list=20 that is etched into my mind is somebody's quote. I'm not going to name = names,=20 but I think we all know what I'm talking about. ;-)

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