From: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com (NGamers-digest) To: ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: NGamers-digest V1 #1601 Reply-To: NGamers-digest Sender: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk NGamers-digest Monday, June 25 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1601 Re: [NG] Super Mario 64 2 Re: [NG] Super Mario 64 2 Re: [NG] Super Mario 64 2 Re: [NG] Super Mario 64 2 Re: [NG] Super Mario 64 2 Re: [NG] Super Mario 64 2 Re: [NG] ps one / GB Re: [NG] Super Mario 64 2 Re: [NG] ps one / GB Re: [NG] ps one / GB Re: [NG] Super Mario 64 2 Re: [NG] ps one / GB Re: [NG] ps one / GB Re: [NG] NGC L Re: [NG] N64 -- VGA Adapter? Re: [NG] prices for Next Gen systems' games ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 16:59:22 -0700 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [NG] Super Mario 64 2 - --------------5662E113EB491B172EC509B7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I meant to say, who would want to pay $60 for a new N64 game? No one > bought > Conker for that price and Conker was an awesome game. > > And Nintendo better do some serious thinking about the pricing of old > games. > If I can't get GameCube games for like $20 in a few years, I'm gonna > defecate > on my GameCube and ship it to NOA. > > ~Matt Well, all games for next-gen consoles retail for $49 . So does that mean you'd have to defecate your ps2 games too if they don't come down in price? - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com - --------------5662E113EB491B172EC509B7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I meant to say, who would want to pay $60 for a new N64 game? No one bought
Conker for that price and Conker was an awesome game.

And Nintendo better do some serious thinking about the pricing of old games.
If I can't get GameCube games for like $20 in a few years, I'm gonna defecate
on my GameCube and ship it to NOA.

~Matt

Well, all games for next-gen consoles retail for $49 .  So does that mean you'd have to defecate your ps2 games too if they don't come down in price?
 
 

--
Dexter S.
Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine
Http://www.tendobox.com
  - --------------5662E113EB491B172EC509B7-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 19:09:25 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] Super Mario 64 2 > customers would prefer the latter. In any case, SEGA's budget has no $$$ > allocated for hardware launch, therefore they have more to spend in developing > for other systems. > > RS Your trying to compare Sega's financial situation to Nintendo's?? Haha...do you realize how amusing that is? Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 17:38:23 -0700 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [NG] Super Mario 64 2 > Your trying to compare Sega's financial situation to Nintendo's?? Haha...do > you realize how amusing that is? > > Stryder Oh Stryder, check out coremagazine.com Their latest roundtable is up and one of the things they discussed is the advantages and disadvantages of being a hardware manufactuer or a software only company. I think what they had to say will pretty much answer your questions. - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 19:22:47 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] Super Mario 64 2 > couldn't and wouldn't you expect Nintendo to do the same thing? That's it. > No more, no less. And what Nintendo fan wouldn't have bought another Mario > game on the N64? What's so hard about that to understand, I don't know. There's one more thing I want to bring up. All of you are looking at it from the standpoint that we see things. We are all pretty hardcore gamers. So most of the time, when a new system launches, that's it, the old one is dead. We either have the cash on hand, save up well in advance, and/or find some why to scrounge up a the money necessary to buy a new system at launch...either that, or we already have another system (DC, PS2) to play till we do. Not so for many, many people. A lot of people don't have the cash or simply choose not to spend the money charged for a new system. A lot of people wait a few months for the prices to drop a few bucks. There people are left out in the cold with nothing new to play for months longer than we are. Nintendo could have planned ahead and not had this huge gap. Sega is flat out broke and still developing games for every system around...Nintendo is rolling cash...if they need more, hell, just pop out another cookie cutter Pokemon game for the GBA...lots of instant capital. They have no excuse. Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 19:28:21 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] Super Mario 64 2 > check out coremagazine.com Their latest roundtable is up and one of the > things they discussed is the advantages and disadvantages of being a hardware > manufactuer or a software only company. I think what they had to say will > pretty much answer your questions. > > -- > Dexter S. I'll check it out...but I want to point out one more thing. Sony seems to have done just fine with the PSX. In fact, game are STILL coming out for that system. Are they in the hardware business? Why, they are! Imagine that...In fact, they make game systems, TV, DVD players, home theater speakers, stereos, etc, etc, etc... Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 17:57:03 -0700 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [NG] Super Mario 64 2 > There's one more thing I want to bring up. All of you are looking at it > from the standpoint that we see things. We are all pretty hardcore gamers. > So most of the time, when a new system launches, that's it, the old one is > dead. We either have the cash on hand, save up well in advance, and/or find > some why to scrounge up a the money necessary to buy a new system at > launch...either that, or we already have another system (DC, PS2) to play > till we do. Not so for many, many people. A lot of people don't have the > cash or simply choose not to spend the money charged for a new system. A > lot of people wait a few months for the prices to drop a few bucks. There > people are left out in the cold with nothing new to play for months longer > than we are. Nintendo could have planned ahead and not had this huge gap. > Sega is flat out broke and still developing games for every system > around...Nintendo is rolling cash...if they need more, hell, just pop out > another cookie cutter Pokemon game for the GBA...lots of instant capital. > They have no excuse. > > Stryder Ever heard of efficiency? You don't spend money when you don't have to. Sega have several titles coming for Dreamcast because those titles were likely initiated before the company decided to drop the DC --they only decided to go that route like what? less than 6 months ago? That is far from being an eternity. dropping the titles in mid development could prove more costly. Besides they could always port them to other consoles. It just makes good business sense. As for Sega developing titles for so many consoles, so far, we've heard a lot of promises from the company, but less than ten titles have actually been shown to exist. I mean, Miyamoto did say he was overseeing 30 titles. That proves nothing really. And being a hardware manufacturer in itself is a difficult and costly proposition. - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 17:59:25 -0700 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [NG] ps one / GB > I'll check it out...but I want to point out one more thing. Sony seems to > have done just fine with the PSX. In fact, game are STILL coming out for > that system. Are they in the hardware business? Why, they are! Imagine > that...In fact, they make game systems, TV, DVD players, home theater > speakers, stereos, etc, etc, etc... > > Stryder Yeah. PS one has a lot in common with Game Boy with that regard. Oh, and don't confuse the consumer electronics hardware business with the video game hardware business. they are different things. And if you infact wanted to include that, Sony actually lost money as a group last year, even though their games business turned a profit. Why? their hardware business was in a slump and dragged profits down. - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 19:54:29 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] Super Mario 64 2 > As for Sega developing titles for so many consoles, so far, we've heard a lot of > promises from the company, but less than ten titles have actually been shown to > exist. I mean, Miyamoto did say he was overseeing 30 titles. 30 titles....that alone proves they could have had a few games lined up for the final stages of the N64. But no...just ditched it. Anyway, I just think they could have done better...Sony had no problems and Nintendo hasn't in the past. So much for all that crap Nintendo supporters (not you specifically) like to say about Nintendo "caring" about the customers while Sony and MS are just money hungry corporations. When the battle got tough, Nintendo shows they are just like the rest. Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 20:01:52 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] ps one / GB > Yeah. PS one has a lot in common with Game Boy with that regard. > > Oh, and don't confuse the consumer electronics hardware business with the video > game hardware business. they are different things. And if you infact wanted to > include that, Sony actually lost money as a group last year, even though their > games business turned a profit. > > Why? their hardware business was in a slump and dragged profits down. Your point? All that proves is that even though Sony was losing money they still weren't afraid to throw money into developing/publishing games for an old system...even if it was risky. Anyway, you say that the consumer electronics business and video game hardware business are different...so are Nintendo's hardware business and their game development groups. The simple fact is, they could have had a few titles for the N64's final days if they had wanted. I personally just think they got burned by Sony last round and are so determined to do better this time they have gone all out for the GC at the expense of loyal Nintendo gamers who won't/can't score a GC at launch. Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 18:31:06 -0700 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [NG] ps one / GB > Your point? All that proves is that even though Sony was losing money they > still weren't afraid to throw money into developing/publishing games for an > old system...even if it was risky. Anyway, you say that the consumer > electronics business and video game hardware business are different...so are > Nintendo's hardware business and their game development groups. The simple > fact is, they could have had a few titles for the N64's final days if they > had wanted. I personally just think they got burned by Sony last round and > are so determined to do better this time they have gone all out for the GC > at the expense of loyal Nintendo gamers who won't/can't score a GC at > launch. > > Stryder I don't know. to me, it would be an increadible waste of resources to release or even make any more N64 games, considering Nintendo is already doing what they've never done before. 2 major hardware launches in one year. - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 18:32:39 -0700 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [NG] Super Mario 64 2 > 30 titles....that alone proves they could have had a few games lined up for > the final stages of the N64. But no...just ditched it. Anyway, I just > think they could have done better...Sony had no problems and Nintendo hasn't > in the past. So much for all that crap Nintendo supporters (not you > specifically) like to say about Nintendo "caring" about the customers while > Sony and MS are just money hungry corporations. When the battle got tough, > Nintendo shows they are just like the rest. > Well, the N64 has had its 4 years and a half so I wouldn't really call it abandonment. There are so many consoles out there that were abandoned before they got to 2 years. And ultimately, that's what piss off the most people. - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 20:09:59 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] ps one / GB > I don't know. to me, it would be an increadible waste of resources to release or > even make any more N64 games, considering Nintendo is already doing what they've > never done before. 2 major hardware launches in one year. > -- > Dexter S. > Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Perhaps, but I don't really see their hardware launches as particularly risky. We all know Nintendo will do well enough. The only real, IMO, question is if they game finish the race in first or not. Especially the GBA, that's not risky at all. Everyone knew that thing was going to sell like mad...and those expensive games! Cash flowing in for sure. They can just keep releasing reworked NES and SNES classics for the thing to keep the cash coming too. Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 18:39:08 -0700 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [NG] ps one / GB > Perhaps, but I don't really see their hardware launches as particularly > risky. We all know Nintendo will do well enough. The only real, IMO, > question is if they game finish the race in first or not. Especially the > GBA, that's not risky at all. Everyone knew that thing was going to sell > like mad...and those expensive games! Cash flowing in for sure. They can > just keep releasing reworked NES and SNES classics for the thing to keep the > cash coming too. > > Stryder I'd like them to release Sin and Punishment stateside. that's about it. - -- Dexter S. Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine Http://www.tendobox.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 21:36:57 -0400 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [NG] NGC L This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0FDBE.F5756920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Don Fentie=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [NG] NGC L How the heck do you know large eyes? Despite what anyone says I don't believe that the N64 was a screw up. They made mistakes but the = system was NOT a screw up. If you want screwups, look at the Saturn, look at the Virtual Boy. But not the N64. Sony may have had the RPGs but Nintendo did have multiplayer action up to wazoo. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- How high up do you have to be to get to "wazoo"? ~~ Dave ~~ "If mice could swim they would float with the tide and play with the fish down by the seaside." - -- written on a monitor on the SDF-1 in Episode 7, "Bye-Bye Mars", of = the Macross Saga TreyTable@sega.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0FDBE.F5756920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Don = Fentie=20
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 = 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [NG] NGC L

How the heck do you know large eyes?  Despite what = anyone=20 says I don't
believe that the N64 was a screw up.  They made = mistakes=20 but the system
was NOT a screw up.  If you want screwups, look = at the=20 Saturn, look at
the Virtual Boy.  But not the N64.  Sony = may have=20 had the RPGs but
Nintendo did have multiplayer action up to = wazoo.

 
How high up do you have to be to get to = "wazoo"?
 
~~ Dave ~~
 
"If mice could swim
they would float = with the=20 tide
and play with the fish
down by the seaside."
-- written on = a=20 monitor on the SDF-1 in  Episode 7, "Bye-Bye Mars", of the Macross=20 Saga
TreyTable@sega.net
Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
AIM:= Trey=20 Table
- ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0FDBE.F5756920-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 21:40:42 -0400 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [NG] N64 -- VGA Adapter? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C0FDBF.7C0299E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Devil929@aol.com=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [NG] N64 -- VGA Adapter? Curiously, does anyone know if the N64 has a VGA Adapter so you can = play it=20 through the monitor -- or does anyone know a set up where I can do = that? I'd=20 like to attempt to capture media, but it seems without more = traditional=20 dedicated hardware like Dazzle, that's a bit hard.=20 Geoff, you seem to be in the know of most things, any ideas;-)? = Anyone?=20 Aldo Merino=20 ------------------=20 Tendo Box=20 http://www.tendobox.com=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- If you can travel back in time to when Redmond Cable (in Redmond, = Washington) was still in business you could have bought an RGB SNES = cable, I don't know if it would have worked with the N64, though.=20 Why not just get a TV tuner video card with composite or RF inputs? ~~ Dave ~~ "If mice could swim they would float with the tide and play with the fish down by the seaside." - -- written on a monitor on the SDF-1 in Episode 7, "Bye-Bye Mars", of = the Macross Saga TreyTable@sega.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C0FDBF.7C0299E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Devil929@aol.com=20
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 = 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [NG] N64 -- VGA=20 Adapter?

Curiously, = does anyone=20 know if the N64 has a VGA Adapter so you can play it
through the = monitor=20 -- or does anyone know a set up where I can do that? I'd
like to = attempt=20 to capture media, but it seems without more traditional
dedicated = hardware=20 like Dazzle, that's a bit hard.

Geoff, you seem to be in the = know of=20 most things, any ideas;-)? Anyone?

Aldo Merino =
------------------=20
Tendo Box
http://www.tendobox.com=20
 
If you can travel back in time to when = Redmond=20 Cable (in Redmond, Washington) was still in business you could have = bought an=20 RGB SNES cable, I don't know if it would have worked with the N64, = though.=20
 
Why not just get a TV tuner video card = with=20 composite or RF inputs?
 
~~ Dave ~~
 
"If mice could swim
they would float = with the=20 tide
and play with the fish
down by the seaside."
-- written on = a=20 monitor on the SDF-1 in  Episode 7, "Bye-Bye Mars", of the Macross=20 Saga
TreyTable@sega.net
Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
AIM:= Trey=20 Table
- ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C0FDBF.7C0299E0-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 21:44:48 -0400 From: "Dave Rhodes" Subject: Re: [NG] prices for Next Gen systems' games This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C0FDC0.0E59FAE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dexter Sy=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [NG] Super Mario 64 2 I meant to say, who would want to pay $60 for a new N64 game? No one = bought=20 Conker for that price and Conker was an awesome game.=20 And Nintendo better do some serious thinking about the pricing of = old games.=20 If I can't get GameCube games for like $20 in a few years, I'm gonna = defecate=20 on my GameCube and ship it to NOA.=20 ~Matt Well, all games for next-gen consoles retail for $49 . So does that = mean you'd have to defecate your ps2 games too if they don't come down = in price?=20 =20 =20 --=20 Dexter S.=20 Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine=20 Http://www.tendobox.com=20 =20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- Not so. When Soul Calibur came out, on 9/9/99, it was priced at $39.99. And there are some PS2 games even now that only cost $29.99, like = Gradius 3 & 4, Super Bust A Move, Gun Griffon Blaze, and Smuggler's Run. ~~ Dave ~~ "If mice could swim they would float with the tide and play with the fish down by the seaside." - -- written on a monitor on the SDF-1 in Episode 7, "Bye-Bye Mars", of = the Macross Saga TreyTable@sega.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C0FDC0.0E59FAE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dexter = Sy=20
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 = 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [NG] Super Mario = 64 2

I meant to say, who would want to pay $60 for a new N64 = game? No one=20 bought
Conker for that price and Conker was an awesome=20 game.=20

And = Nintendo better=20 do some serious thinking about the pricing of old=20 games.
If I can't get GameCube games for like $20 in a few years, = I'm gonna=20 defecate
on my GameCube and ship it to=20 NOA.=20

~Matt

Well, all games = for=20 next-gen consoles retail for $49 .  So does that mean you'd have = to=20 defecate your ps2 games too if they don't come down in price? =
 =20
 =20

--
Dexter S.
Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine
Http://www.tendobox.com =
 =20

 
Not so. When Soul Calibur came out, on = 9/9/99, it=20 was priced at $39.99.
 
And there are some PS2 games even now = that only=20 cost $29.99, like Gradius 3 & 4, Super Bust A Move, Gun Griffon = Blaze, and=20 Smuggler's Run.
 
~~ Dave ~~
 
"If mice could swim
they would float = with the=20 tide
and play with the fish
down by the seaside."
-- written on = a=20 monitor on the SDF-1 in  Episode 7, "Bye-Bye Mars", of the Macross=20 Saga
TreyTable@sega.net
Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
AIM:= Trey=20 Table
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