From: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com (NGamers-digest) To: ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: NGamers-digest V1 #1631 Reply-To: NGamers-digest Sender: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk NGamers-digest Monday, July 30 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1631 Re: [NG] Gamecube blues Re: [NG] PCs do suck Re: [NG] PCs do suck Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Re: [NG] PCs do suck Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Re: [NG] Gamecube blues Re: [NG] PCs do suck Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX [NG] Biased GC vs XBOX Re: [NG] Gamecube blues Re: [NG] PCs do suck Re: [NG] Gamecube blues ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 16:18:20 EDT From: Nutz4n64@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Gamecube blues - --part1_d6.9f97fc9.28971b0c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 07/30/2001 3:11:04 PM Central Daylight Time, sanrio@velocity.net writes: > Oh, I wonder, do you count compilations as more than one game? Like say > Namco Museum for N64, would you count that as one game or as six games? I > count things like that as six games since there are six individual games on > one cart, although I'm really talking about the DC version, six games on > one GD. I think that's fair. Easy way to have many more PSX games is to buy > the Activision Collection (30 games!) or the Intellivision Collection. > > But collections make up a small number of how many games I have. > > ~~ Dave ~~ > Hmm, so, technically, if I bought the smash pak GD for Dreamcast, I'd have 16 games instead of 5? ;) - -Eric- - --part1_d6.9f97fc9.28971b0c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 07/30/2001 3:11:04 PM Central Daylight Time,
sanrio@velocity.net writes:

Oh, I wonder, do you count compilations as more than one game? Like say
Namco Museum for N64, would you count that as one game or as six games? I
count things like that as six games since there are six individual games on
one cart, although I'm really talking about the DC version, six games on
one GD. I think that's fair. Easy way to have many more PSX games is to buy
the Activision Collection (30 games!) or the Intellivision Collection.

But collections make up a small number of how many games I have.

~~ Dave ~~

Hmm, so, technically, if I bought the smash pak GD for Dreamcast, I'd have 16
games instead of 5? ;)
-Eric- - --part1_d6.9f97fc9.28971b0c_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 16:52:50 -0500 From: "Geoff Taylor" Subject: Re: [NG] PCs do suck - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" To: Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [NG] PCs do suck > Has Microsoft EVER produced even a single bug-free operating system? Has anyone? Geoff Taylor [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 15:58:30 -0600 From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" Subject: Re: [NG] PCs do suck Geoff Taylor wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 11:24 AM > Subject: Re: [NG] PCs do suck > > > Has Microsoft EVER produced even a single bug-free operating system? > > Has anyone? I believe the operating systems in each on Nintendo's consoles was bug-free. [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 19:10:17 -0400 From: "geoff wuehrmann" Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Am I the only one who wants to quit the list because of the Xbox vs. GC discussion? Also, whever happened to Aldo? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 18:21:49 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] PCs do suck > Has Microsoft EVER produced even a single bug-free operating system? Has anyone? No. Have they ever produced their own console? No. Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 18:49:44 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX > Yes, i got plenty of clues. Technology has been the pivot of so many of our > discussions. BS, Dex. Look at my list. I placed the games at #1 for a reason. >More specifically, you view the world through your rich rose > colored glasses. You don't know me, Dex. I'm not rich by any means. I'm just a single guy with a decent job...and hence, have a fair enough amount disposable income to use toward electronics. > Sorry to wake you up Stryder, but not everyone has your > entertainment system, and i doubt in families that do, not everyone can have > access to it. So I did find your whole rationale behind your initial post to > be shallow, and if I may say so, a crude attempt at inciting people in this > list. Dex, that wasn't the damn point. I just posted MY reasons for going with the XBOX over the GC. It had nothing to do with anyone else's situation. All I wanted was some simple discussion. Obviously, you are incapable of that...my mistake. Again, you do NOT know me that well, and don't pretend to. F*CKING GET IT?! >And if you want to be really logical > about this, all game sites catering to whatever console they cater to, will > always write enthusiastically about the games for that specific console. > You're argument that you liked what you read is moot. First of all, Dex, I didn't quote any specific article in relation to my decision. Second, I have clearly stated that I liked the ways things LOOKED so far (I capped the key word for your convenience). Third, not all site write about all systems "enthusiastically"....plenty of sites have beat up the XBOX. Fourth, that exact same could be said for the GC, yet I've seen you talk about it plenty of times. Yet when I bring up the XBOX, suddenly I shouldn't be paying attention to gaming sites and my points are moot. Well OMFG Dex, that's plain stupid. Period. Fifth, according to your idiotic logic, we shouldn't even bother discussing any new systems until after they launch. So from here on out, anytime you mention the GC, I guess I'll simply have to declare your points moot.... Your logic is disgustingly easy to dismantle. >All the sites you then > listed in a later post are not impartial, but Xbox fansites. So i wonder how > skewed the opionions are. I posted pictures, not articles...or did you even bother to check them out? Apparently not...try to keep up. > Botton line stryder, going into this particular discussion, the games for the > GameCube did very well at E3. Xbox disappointed to say the least. Your writing > off this fact and giving second chances based on what you read from Xbox fan > sites? Did I ever say that the GC did bad or the XBOX did good? Nom that was never my point. I simply stated that I liked how the games looked. What's so damn hard to understand about that? Am I not allowed to say that I like the looks of the XBOX line-up better than the GC line-up?? Who cares how they ran at E3? I clearly destroyed your"spin doctors" idea when I posted the simple facts about the XBOX E3 hardware...which you conveniently ignored...like many other pints I have made so far (typical Dex debate). I'm just interested in the final product, and no matter how good the GC games turn out, MOST ARE NOT MY TYPE OF GAMES <--- TAKE NOTE!!!!! It's funny how you are apparently are willing to take people word about how well games did at E3, yet I shouldn't take anyone's word on XBOX games since then... Hmmm... Whatever. > I dunno. You buy what you have to. But to me its a personal choice. I bought a > PS and Dreamcast quietly. I never made a fuss. You chose to make your > decision public, thus it is subject to criticsm. Umm..this is a videogame list, right? And the XBOX is launching 3 days after the GC, right? Which clearly makes the XBOX topic which should be discussed, right? Too bad the criticism so far has been simple ignorant fanboy rhetoric. >You made a post that is nonsensical in every perspective > outside of the scenario that you're techie geek who is wooed by the technology. I actually made very good points...all of which are very relevant to me. You can pretend that the technology doesn't matter...but it does. You keep harping on this technology issue, but I very clearly stated the GAMES I was interested in...so what's your problem? Beyond the games, is the technology. You have bashed the PS2 MANY times over tech issues when it first launched (anti-aliasing ring a damn bell?...ya, I thought so)...yet I mention tech issues, and suddenly I'm a "techie geek"...again a f*cking weak argument on your part..and one easily dismantled. > I question that. You've called me and Rick out specifically by name. You > obviously must be annoyed. My responses weren't lame. I wonder why...and yes they were. Your responses so far have varied from ignorant fanboy, to biased against MS, to personal attacks. So easy... Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 18:51:38 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] Gamecube blues This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C11928.AA07AAE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Devil929@aol.com=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [NG] Gamecube blues Ol' Dave is rubbing off on me I guess because I'm in the same habit; = I'm=20 closing out my Dreamcast collection this year in its entirety, and = that means=20 I need to double my collection from 50 to near a 100 -- yes, I liked = that=20 many games;-) >>>>>> Damn! I only have like 5 or 6 games for my DC...most just never = interested me. Then again, I'm apparently just a "techie geek", so what = do I know. Stryder - ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C11928.AA07AAE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Devil929@aol.com=20

To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=

Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 = 1:40 PM

Subject: Re: [NG] Gamecube = blues

Ol' Dave is rubbing = off on me I=20 guess because I'm in the same habit; I'm
closing out my Dreamcast=20 collection this year in its entirety, and that means
I need to = double my=20 collection from 50 to near a 100 -- yes, I liked that
many = games;-)=20 >>>>>>

Damn! I only = have like 5 or=20 6 games for my DC...most just never interested me. Then again, = I'm=20 apparently just a "techie geek", so what do I = know.

Stryder

- ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C11928.AA07AAE0-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 18:53:34 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] PCs do suck > I believe the operating systems in each on Nintendo's consoles was bug-free. My N64 crashed on a number of occasions. Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 18:57:38 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX > Am I the only one who wants to quit the list because of the Xbox vs. GC > discussion? Also, whever happened to Aldo? Well, no one is forcing you to read it. Sorry the debate got out of hand, I was honestly expecting a little more mature responses than I got. I personally think the XBOX is clearly on topic in relation to the GC since they launch so close together...but, hey, feel free to start a Powerpuff Girls thread if you want ;-) Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 19:19:54 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: [NG] Biased GC vs XBOX OK, I don't why this list simply couldn't have some damned intelligent discussion. This is for Dex who simply thinks I'm some rich techie geek who posted this thread to "incite" the list members. I posted the exact same thread on Jed's list to generate some gaming discussion there as well. It managed to generate a little discussion, all of it intelligent (unlike this list). Some people said the XBOX sounded cool, they'll check into it, and some said they were sticking with the GC and listed their reasons. I was hoping for the same here. No bashing, no personal attacks, no bias...again, all unlike this list. The following is one such post. This is one response I got and the response I gave...read it and learn for once, Dex (I removed the name of the person who posted it...they are on this list as well) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "thraxen" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [Game Related] GC vs XBOX continued!! > As much as I know about Stryder, I'm sure he's read up on both sides. I, > for > one, am just not excited about XB. One of my problems is the $300 > (supposedly) price tag. Under normal circumstances, it probably wouldn't be > that much of a problem. However, next month, I'm off to college, so my > budget will be pretty tight. Heck, I might not even be able to afford GC. > Well, whatever the case, GC is my choice. Star Fox Adv, Rouge Squadron, > Metroid (God, I hope Retro doesn't f**k this one up), RE Zero, etc. >>>>> > > IMO, you should get the GC then. You would likely just end up regretting > not getting one. I'm in a little different position since I'm out of > college and have a decent job (plus I'm still single..which is kind of bad, > but good financially). So I can afford the $300 plus buy a GC a couple > months later. Trust me though, I know what your saying. When I was in > college, I could only work part time...plus I had a GF. I actually had to > sell games on many occasions just to be able to go on dates and buy presents > for her on b-days and such. > > I've always been the first person to say that you should buy the system that > has the games that truly interest you. I was just throwing out my decision > on the XBOX to generate some gaming discussion. > > Stryder Stryder - -"and a big FU to those who will never understand"- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 21:54:58 -0400 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] Gamecube blues This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C11942.464BE740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nutz4n64@aol.com=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [NG] Gamecube blues In a message dated 07/30/2001 3:11:04 PM Central Daylight Time,=20 sanrio@velocity.net writes:=20 Oh, I wonder, do you count compilations as more than one game? Like = say=20 Namco Museum for N64, would you count that as one game or as six = games? I=20 count things like that as six games since there are six individual = games on=20 one cart, although I'm really talking about the DC version, six = games on=20 one GD. I think that's fair. Easy way to have many more PSX games is = to buy=20 the Activision Collection (30 games!) or the Intellivision = Collection.=20 But collections make up a small number of how many games I have.=20 ~~ Dave ~~=20 Hmm, so, technically, if I bought the smash pak GD for Dreamcast, I'd = have 16=20 games instead of 5? ;)=20 -Eric-=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- Yeah, that's what I'm saying. There are 12 individual complete games on = that disc. Like a CD with 12 songs, you wouldn't say you bought a CD = with one really long song (unless it's some Pink Floyd stuff). ~~ Dave ~~ "I can't spare a moment for the dog faced boy I won't lend another hand to the worm-girl of Hanoi Don't deplete my oxygen for the guy who's turning blue But ask me, and I'll do anything for you." -- Phish Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C11942.464BE740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Nutz4n64@aol.com=20

To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =

Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 = 4:18 PM

Subject: Re: [NG] Gamecube = blues

In a = message dated=20 07/30/2001 3:11:04 PM Central Daylight Time,
sanrio@velocity.net writes: =

Oh, I wonder, do you count compilations as more than one = game?=20 Like say
Namco Museum for N64, would you count that as one game = or as=20 six games? I
count things like that as six games since there are = six=20 individual games on
one cart, although I'm really talking about = the DC=20 version, six games on
one GD. I think that's fair. Easy way to = have many=20 more PSX games is to buy
the Activision Collection (30 games!) = or the=20 Intellivision Collection.

But collections make up a = small number of=20 how many games I have.

~~ Dave ~~ =

Hmm, so,=20 technically, if I bought the smash pak GD for Dreamcast, I'd have 16 =
games=20 instead of 5? ;)
-Eric-=20

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. There are = 12=20 individual complete games on that disc. Like a CD with 12 songs, you = wouldn't=20 say you bought a CD with one really long song (unless it's some Pink = Floyd=20 stuff).

~~ Dave ~~

"I can't spare a moment for the dog = faced boy
I=20 won't lend another hand to the worm-girl of Hanoi
Don't deplete my = oxygen for=20 the guy who's turning blue
But ask me, and I'll do anything for you." = - --=20 Phish
Sanrio@velocity.net
Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
AIM:= Trey=20 Table

- ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C11942.464BE740-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 21:56:36 -0400 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] PCs do suck This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C11942.80E65840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gregory A. Swarthout=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [NG] PCs do suck Geoff Taylor wrote: >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 11:24 AM > Subject: Re: [NG] PCs do suck >=20 > > Has Microsoft EVER produced even a single bug-free operating = system? >=20 > Has anyone? I believe the operating systems in each on Nintendo's consoles was = bug-free. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- Is it just me, or is it true that the N64 doesn't really have an OS? ~~ Dave ~~ "I can't spare a moment for the dog faced boy I won't lend another hand to the worm-girl of Hanoi Don't deplete my oxygen for the guy who's turning blue But ask me, and I'll do anything for you." -- Phish Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C11942.80E65840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Gregory A.=20 Swarthout

To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =

Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 = 5:58 PM

Subject: Re: [NG] PCs do = suck

Geoff Taylor wrote:
>
> ----- Original = Message=20 -----
> From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" <gregorys@xmission.com>
&g= t; To:=20 <NGamers@lists.xmission.com= >
>=20 Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 11:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [NG] PCs do=20 suck
>
> > Has Microsoft EVER produced even a single = bug-free=20 operating system?
>
> Has anyone?

I believe the = operating=20 systems in each on Nintendo's consoles was bug-free.

Is it just me, or is it true that the = N64 doesn't=20 really have an OS?

~~ Dave ~~

- ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C11942.80E65840-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 22:03:13 -0400 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] Gamecube blues This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C11943.6D87BCC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thraxen=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [NG] Gamecube blues =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Devil929@aol.com=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [NG] Gamecube blues Ol' Dave is rubbing off on me I guess because I'm in the same habit; = I'm=20 closing out my Dreamcast collection this year in its entirety, and = that means=20 I need to double my collection from 50 to near a 100 -- yes, I liked = that=20 many games;-) >>>>>> Damn! I only have like 5 or 6 games for my DC...most just never = interested me. Then again, I'm apparently just a "techie geek", so what = do I know. =20 Stryder =20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- Only five or six? Sell those rose colored glasses and buy some more = games. Oh. Have you bought Tony Hawk's Pro Skater for DC yet? It's $10 = at places like Target & Circuit City. You have no excuse now. Did anybody notice that when Dex was talking about rose glasses, he used = the word "colored" and not "coloured"? He can't even spell a simple = Canadian word.=20 Dreamcast is for the hardcore gamer, that's another way of saying that = not very many people have it.=20 ~~ Dave ~~ "I can't spare a moment for the dog faced boy I won't lend another hand to the worm-girl of Hanoi Don't deplete my oxygen for the guy who's turning blue But ask me, and I'll do anything for you." -- Phish Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C11943.6D87BCC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Thraxen =

To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =

Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 = 7:51 PM

Subject: Re: [NG] Gamecube = blues

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Devil929@aol.com

To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =

Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 = 1:40=20 PM

Subject: Re: [NG] Gamecube = blues

Ol' Dave is rubbing = off on me I=20 guess because I'm in the same habit; I'm
closing out my = Dreamcast=20 collection this year in its entirety, and that means
I need to = double my=20 collection from 50 to near a 100 -- yes, I liked that
many = games;-)=20 >>>>>>

Damn! I only = have like 5=20 or 6 games for my DC...most just never interested me. Then = again, I'm=20 apparently just a "techie geek", so what do I = know.

Stryder

Only five or six? Sell those rose = colored glasses=20 and buy some more games. Oh. Have you bought Tony Hawk's Pro Skater for = DC yet?=20 It's $10 at places like Target & Circuit City. You have no excuse=20 now.

Did anybody notice that when Dex was = talking about=20 rose glasses, he used the word "colored" and not "coloured"? He can't = even spell=20 a simple Canadian word.

Dreamcast is for the hardcore gamer, = that's another=20 way of saying that not very many people have it.

~~ Dave ~~

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