From: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com (NGamers-digest) To: ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: NGamers-digest V1 #1637 Reply-To: NGamers-digest Sender: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk NGamers-digest Tuesday, July 31 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1637 Re: [NG] Conker Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Re: [NG] New Golden Sun screens from NCL Re: [NG] Conker Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:23:28 -0500 From: Rick Sharer Subject: Re: [NG] Conker Dave wrote: > I'm not even going to add Conker to my list of games, I'm trading it > in tomorrow. Maybe for Paper Mario or Powerstone 2. Who knows. If you > like muddy games with sloppy control, no direction, and swearing, buy > Conker. Heh, well no, Conker is not for everyone. I found it gets much better deeper into the game, especially by the 4th level to the end. Heck, trade it in, but at least play it most of the way through. Paper Mario was fun. Go with that one. RS _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:30:55 -0400 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C119DE.2BBC9D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Geoff Taylor=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Sharer" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX With the PS2 and XBox having hard drives, patches are possible. Should = companies rely on this? Absolutely not. And Microsoft is quite determined to = keep companies from doing so. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- The only thing like patches you'll see on PS2 and X-Box, are like what = is already done on Dreamcast, but in a larger scale, especially for = X-Box since its broadband only, I mean things like the "Another Day" = download for Around Apple in Crazy Taxi 2, it's a VMU download (18 = blocks I think) that sets the game at dawn with passengers waiting at = different spots and having different destinations. Or like downloading = new tags in Jet Grind Radio, or the Download Quest "Letter From Lionel" = in Phantasy Star Online. But it will probably be bigger stuff since its = going on a hard drive instead of a memory card, and may be like getting = new cars for Gran Turismo 4 (as an example, my fanboy crystal ball has = been missing since I moved) or on the X-Box a new map for Jet Set Radio = Future. Things like that, things that have been going on with the PC for = years. That will be cool, I still remember when I downloaded the General = Lee for Midtown Madness, that was cool as heck. ~~ Dave ~~ "I can't spare a moment for the dog faced boy I won't lend another hand to the worm-girl of Hanoi Don't deplete my oxygen for the guy who's turning blue But ask me, and I'll do anything for you." -- Phish Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C119DE.2BBC9D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Geoff=20 Taylor

To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =

Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 = 11:04=20 AM

Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs = XBOX

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Sharer" = <rlsharer@yahoo.com>
To: = <NGamers@lists.xmission.com= >
Sent:=20 Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs=20 XBOX

With
the PS2 and XBox having hard drives, patches = are=20 possible. Should companies
rely on this? Absolutely = not. =20 And Microsoft is quite determined to keep
companies from doing = so.

The only thing like patches you'll see = on PS2 and=20 X-Box, are like what is already done on Dreamcast, but in a larger = scale,=20 especially for X-Box since its broadband only, I mean things like the = "Another=20 Day" download for Around Apple in Crazy Taxi 2, it's a VMU download (18 = blocks I=20 think) that sets the game at dawn with passengers waiting at different = spots and=20 having different destinations. Or like downloading new tags in Jet Grind = Radio,=20 or the Download Quest "Letter From Lionel" in Phantasy Star Online. But = it will=20 probably be bigger stuff since its going on a hard drive instead of a = memory=20 card, and may be like getting new cars for Gran Turismo 4 (as an = example, my=20 fanboy crystal ball has been missing since I moved) or on the X-Box a = new map=20 for Jet Set Radio Future. Things like that, things that have been going = on with=20 the PC for years. That will be cool, I still remember when I downloaded = the=20 General Lee for Midtown Madness, that was cool as heck.

~~ Dave ~~

"I can't spare a moment for the dog = faced boy
I=20 won't lend another hand to the worm-girl of Hanoi
Don't deplete my = oxygen for=20 the guy who's turning blue
But ask me, and I'll do anything for you." = - --=20 Phish
Sanrio@velocity.net
Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
AIM:= Trey=20 Table

- ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C119DE.2BBC9D60-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:34:51 -0400 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C119DE.B87209C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thraxen=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX E3 was due to Nvidia not being ready with the GPU...it had nothing to = do with MS. Final hardware has already been shipped to most developers. = The XBOX itself will be ready. How many games will be ready? That = remains to be seen. Stryder - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- Aside from Jet Set Radio Future, what games are coming to the X-Box that = make you (Stryder) want to buy it so much? I must have missed that = post. And let me say, as a huge fan of Jet Grind Radio I see it is if Jet Set = (Grind) Radio Future is an X-Box exclusive (that and SEGA GT 2) then I = will have an X-Box, although that may not be for two years, but I will = have it.=20 ~~ Dave ~~ "I can't spare a moment for the dog faced boy I won't lend another hand to the worm-girl of Hanoi Don't deplete my oxygen for the guy who's turning blue But ask me, and I'll do anything for you." -- Phish Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C119DE.B87209C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Thraxen =

To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =

Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 = 10:59=20 AM

Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs = XBOX

E3 was due to Nvidia not being ready with the GPU...it = had=20 nothing to do
with MS. Final hardware has already been = shipped to=20 most developers. The
XBOX itself will be ready. How = many games=20 will be ready? That remains to
be = seen.

Stryder

Aside from Jet Set Radio Future, what = games are=20 coming to the X-Box that make you (Stryder) want to buy it so = much? I must=20 have missed that post.

And let me say, as a huge fan of Jet = Grind Radio I=20 see it is if Jet Set (Grind) Radio Future is an X-Box exclusive (that = and SEGA=20 GT 2) then I will have an X-Box, although that may not be for two years, = but I=20 will have it.

~~ Dave ~~

- ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C119DE.B87209C0-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:37:27 -0400 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C119DF.15C7C6A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rick Sharer=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Thraxen wrote: > All XBOXs will be the same...exactly like any other console. So, > NO, there will not be ANY patches. I just wanted to let you know that I'm saving this post. :) Rs - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- Just to be clear, I'm sure Stryder doesn't mean to include Game = Enhancing downloads (like on the Dreamcast) as patches. ~~ Dave ~~ "I can't spare a moment for the dog faced boy I won't lend another hand to the worm-girl of Hanoi Don't deplete my oxygen for the guy who's turning blue But ask me, and I'll do anything for you." -- Phish Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C119DF.15C7C6A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Rick = Sharer=20

To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =

Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 = 12:11=20 PM

Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs = XBOX

Thraxen wrote:

> All XBOXs will be the = same...exactly=20 like any other console. So,
> NO, there will not be ANY=20 patches.

I just wanted to let you know that I'm saving this = post. =20 :)

Rs

Just to be clear, I'm sure Stryder = doesn't mean to=20 include Game Enhancing downloads (like on the Dreamcast) as=20 patches.

~~ Dave ~~

"I can't spare a moment for the dog faced boy
I won't lend = another hand=20 to the worm-girl of Hanoi
Don't deplete my oxygen for the guy who's = turning=20 blue
But ask me, and I'll do anything for you." -- Phish
Sanrio@velocity.net
Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
AIM:= Trey=20 Table

- ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C119DF.15C7C6A0-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:51:29 -0600 From: Don Fentie Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Well maybe I'm not a financial wizard but I have gas to pay, plates, maintenance on my car, tuition as a full-time student as well as books food etc...... I can BARELY scrape enough together for the GC and a game. My parents are well off but I am now past 18 and they refuse to fund this sort of thing. Geoff Taylor wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Fentie" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 2:14 AM > Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX > > > Thraxen wrote: > > > > > BS...I'm apparently one of the only ones here with an open mind. I > > > currently own a GBA, N64, PS2 , DC, and PC.... > > > Stryder > > > > > > Or a big fatty wallet with a big fatty wad of bills................. > > That's not fair. I'm certainly not well off financially and I too own a > GBP, GBL, GBC, 2 NGPCs, 2 GBAs, NES, SNES, N64, PSX, DC, 2 PCs and a PC > laptop. I've got $50 down for a Gamecube as well, though right now I don't > know if I'll be have the cash in November due to Christmas gift buying on > top of the regular bills. But some how, some way, I'll get a Gamecube as > soon as I can afford one. Unlike Thraxen I am married so I can't just > spend, spend on what I want.... but my wife does enjoy video games as well > so we always try to work out our budget for gaming. > > Geoff Taylor > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:52:57 -0600 From: Don Fentie Subject: Re: [NG] New Golden Sun screens from NCL RPG RPG RPG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ahhhhhhhhh I'm going to be buying this one for sure. Nutz4n64@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 07/31/2001 9:45:56 AM Central Daylight Time, > geo_tay@hotmail.com writes: > > > Nintendo Co Ltd has posted new screens of Golden Sun today. > > > > http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n08/agsj/esyokai/index.html > > http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n08/agsj/esyokai2/index.html > > > > Geoff Taylor > > > > Neat, but what kind of game is it supposed to be? [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:51:32 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] Conker This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C119D8.ABA2FB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dave=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:17 PM Subject: [NG] Conker Well, a friend of mine owed me $50 for doing a job for him, so we cut = a deal that gave me $27 in cash and his boxed (but used) copy of = Conker's Bad Fur Day.=20 I am so glad I didn't buy this game with my own money.=20 The control is sluggish, even after Conker sobers up.=20 The enemies are cheap, and Conker's reaction time for swinging his = frying pan is like jumping in Tomb Raider, like 5 seconds too late.=20 The graphics range from blurry to muddy, nothing really looks good. The game is without direction. What the heck am I supposed to do now? The jokes and voices are only funny once. I'm sure glad at the time that I bought Onimusha: Warlords instead of = Bad Fur Day. I'm not even going to add Conker to my list of games, I'm trading it = in tomorrow. Maybe for Paper Mario or Powerstone 2. Who knows.=20 They could have at least given C:BFD the option for hi-res graphics = using the Expansion Pak. If you like muddy games with sloppy control, no direction, and = swearing, buy Conker.=20 ~~ Dave ~>>>>>>>>>> Sadly, I did waste my money on that game. Oh well. Stryder - ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C119D8.ABA2FB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dave
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=

Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 = 3:17=20 PM

Subject: [NG] Conker

Well, a friend of mine owed me $50 = for doing a=20 job for him, so we cut a deal that gave me $27 in cash and his boxed = (but=20 used) copy of Conker's Bad Fur Day.

I am so glad I didn't buy this game = with my own=20 money.

The control is sluggish, even after = Conker sobers=20 up.

The enemies are cheap, and Conker's = reaction time=20 for swinging his frying pan is like jumping in Tomb Raider, like 5 = seconds too=20 late.

The graphics range from blurry to = muddy, nothing=20 really looks good.

The game is without direction. What = the heck am I=20 supposed to do now?

The jokes and voices are only funny=20 once.

I'm sure glad at the time that I = bought Onimusha:=20 Warlords instead of Bad Fur Day.

I'm not even going to add Conker to = my list of=20 games, I'm trading it in tomorrow. Maybe for Paper Mario or Powerstone = 2. Who=20 knows.

They could have at least given C:BFD = the option=20 for hi-res graphics using the Expansion Pak.

If you like muddy games with sloppy = control, no=20 direction, and swearing, buy Conker.

~~ Dave=20 ~>>>>>>>>>>

Sadly, I did waste my money on that = game. =20 Oh well.

Stryder

- ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C119D8.ABA2FB60-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:48:57 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX > > Third, MS software has nothing to do with the XBOX. > > Riiiight. This seems to be your standard response when you have nothing to say. > > Well, duh. If you can get a stable environment and change almost nothing, it > can run for years and years (relatively) trouble-free. EXACTLY...this describes a console environment perfectly. Do you FINALLY get it now? Common sense. > problem with IE even upon a complete uninstallation/re-installation says a lot > about them, not me. Besides, I never saw you mention how to fix this problem > either, seeing as how you are NOT as "inept" as the rest of the world when it > comes to PC's. One, I never really payed attention to the specifics of your IE problem. Two, I'd really have to see your PC in person...anytime a problem arises with mine, I just play with things until I fix it...never have had to call any tech support for anything. > I am skeptical, and I've been ragging you for jumping on the MS bandwagon over a > tried and true, reputable Nintendo console. Tried and true? I'm sorry, but the N64 was a big disappointment for me and nothing about the GC is tried and true yet. All that aside...let me state once again...more games interest me on the XBOX than on the GC right now. My choice had nothing to do with any feeling I have toward either manufacturer...it was based first and foremost on the games alone. > hostile, but you've already made so many mistakes in this thread, who's > counting? :) Hell, your just making up more crap. Name one single mistake I have made that isn't simply a difference of opinion. Name ONE. > Riiiight. They will have to prove to me what you've swallowed hook, line, and > sinker. I posted the facts about the E3 hardware earlier. You can deny them all you want...but they were just the facts. I didn't just make them up...in fact, I described them in detail. Just the facts...nothing more, nothing less...and pretending otherwise is simply ignorant. Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:50:25 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Sharer" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX > Thraxen wrote: > > > All XBOXs will be the same...exactly like any other console. So, > > NO, there will not be ANY patches. > > I just wanted to let you know that I'm saving this post. :) > > Rs You do that...there won't be. Besides, as someone else pointed out, console also reguarly have bugs, but they have no way to patch them. Is this some how superior? Not at all. Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:03:02 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Fentie" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX > Well maybe I'm not a financial wizard but I have gas to pay, plates, > maintenance on my car, tuition as a full-time student as well as books > food etc...... I can BARELY scrape enough together for the GC and a > game. My parents are well off but I am now past 18 and they refuse to > fund this sort of thing.>>>>>> You'll have plenty of cash when you're a doctor...time may be a different story :-) Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:01:35 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C119DA.13446960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Aside from Jet Set Radio Future, what games are coming to the X-Box that = make you (Stryder) want to buy it so much? I must have missed that = post.>>>>>> It was in my initial post...point #1 (which Dex convieniently overlooked = so he could call me a techie geek). Halo, Unreal Championship, Amped, Bloodwake, DOA3, Malice, Nightcaster, = Azurik, and maybe Oddworld and Project Gotham (I'm a little less sure of = the last two). Those games look interesting to me. Then, later down = the road, Project Ego and Morrowmind both look like they could really = be awesome. I'm getting really tired of the standard menu-driven = RPGs...so these two look like they have the potential to really be great = fun. Then there are games like MGSX and Silent Hill X that I may get = depending on how much they differ from the PS2 versions. Stryder - ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C119DA.13446960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Aside from Jet Set Radio Future, what = games are=20 coming to the X-Box that make you (Stryder) want to buy it so = much? I must=20 have missed that post.>>>>>>

It was in my initial post...point #1 = (which Dex=20 convieniently overlooked so he could call me a techie = geek).

Halo, Unreal Championship, Amped, = Bloodwake,=20 DOA3, Malice, Nightcaster, Azurik, and maybe Oddworld and=20 Project Gotham (I'm a little less sure of the last two). = Those games=20 look interesting to me. Then, later down the road, Project = Ego and=20 Morrowmind both look like they could really be awesome. I'm getting = really tired=20 of the standard menu-driven RPGs...so these two look like they have the=20 potential to really be great fun. Then there are games like MGSX and = Silent Hill=20 X that I may get depending on how much they differ from the PS2=20 versions.

Stryder

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