From: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com (NGamers-digest) To: ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: NGamers-digest V1 #1638 Reply-To: NGamers-digest Sender: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk NGamers-digest Wednesday, August 1 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1638 Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Re: [NG] Conker Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Re: [NG] Conker Re: [NG] OS Re: [NG] Conker Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Re: [NG] Conker Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Re: [NG] Conker Re: [NG] Conker Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Re: [NG] PCs do suck Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:14:05 -0500 From: Rick Sharer Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Thraxen wrote: > > > Third, MS software has nothing to do with the XBOX. > > > > Riiiight. > > This seems to be your standard response when you have nothing to say. It's my standard response to statements I don't buy. > EXACTLY...this describes a console environment perfectly. Do you FINALLY > get it now? Common sense. If the XBOX were made like a typical console, I'd agree with you here. Time will tell. > One, I never really payed attention to the specifics of your IE problem. > Two, I'd really have to see your PC in person...anytime a problem arises > with mine, I just play with things until I fix it...never have had to call > any tech support for anything. Lucky you. I could be that same way too. I could easily have re-installed Windows 98 and forgotten all about it...but I want to understand what exactly is causing this problem so that I and others will have an answer other than "you have to re-install the OS" every time we get these problems. > Tried and true? I'm sorry, but the N64 was a big disappointment for me and > nothing about the GC is tried and true yet. It may have been a disappointment for you, but it was Quality work for what was there, minus the headaches of usual MS products. > All that aside...let me state > once again...more games interest me on the XBOX than on the GC right now. And let me restate as well...that is just fine and dandy. > My choice had nothing to do with any feeling I have toward either > manufacturer...it was based first and foremost on the games alone. Of which you've never actually played. Cool. I can live with that too. > > hostile, but you've already made so many mistakes in this thread, who's > > counting? :) > > Hell, your just making up more crap. Name one single mistake I have made > that isn't simply a difference of opinion. Name ONE. > It doesn't matter how many I name, you'll classify them as differences of opinion...but they were still mistakes nonetheless. I think the biggest mistake you made was dissing Dex without understanding his viewpoints. > I posted the facts about the E3 hardware earlier. You can deny them all you > want...but they were just the facts. I didn't just make them up...in fact, > I described them in detail. Just the facts...nothing more, nothing > less...and pretending otherwise is simply ignorant. You listed excuses that MS gave for their poor performance at E3. If you're a newcomer to the Gaming Console market, you want to make *sure* you don't screw up at E3 like MS did. Yet, that's what they did, and all I see is a pattern of the same old same old. RS _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:16:49 -0500 From: Rick Sharer Subject: Re: [NG] Conker Thraxen wrote: > Sadly, I did waste my money on that game. Oh well. > I rented it for $4.99 at Blockbuster and that's all it cost me, and it was well worth that...I did the same with Paper Mario, although I did have to check out PM for two sessions. I only buy and keep the games that are of Legendary Status. :) RS _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:17:22 -0500 From: "Geoff Taylor" Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX That's understandable. When I was in school, on my own for the first time, I think I had more than my share of peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. I enjoyed my years in school but I'm definitely glad it's over. :) Geoff Taylor - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Fentie" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX > Well maybe I'm not a financial wizard but I have gas to pay, plates, > maintenance on my car, tuition as a full-time student as well as books > food etc...... I can BARELY scrape enough together for the GC and a > game. My parents are well off but I am now past 18 and they refuse to > fund this sort of thing. > > Geoff Taylor wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Don Fentie" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 2:14 AM > > Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX > > > > > Thraxen wrote: > > > > > > > BS...I'm apparently one of the only ones here with an open mind. I > > > > currently own a GBA, N64, PS2 , DC, and PC.... > > > > Stryder > > > > > > > > > Or a big fatty wallet with a big fatty wad of bills................. > > > > That's not fair. I'm certainly not well off financially and I too own a > > GBP, GBL, GBC, 2 NGPCs, 2 GBAs, NES, SNES, N64, PSX, DC, 2 PCs and a PC > > laptop. I've got $50 down for a Gamecube as well, though right now I don't > > know if I'll be have the cash in November due to Christmas gift buying on > > top of the regular bills. But some how, some way, I'll get a Gamecube as > > soon as I can afford one. Unlike Thraxen I am married so I can't just > > spend, spend on what I want.... but my wife does enjoy video games as well > > so we always try to work out our budget for gaming. > > > > Geoff Taylor > > > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 17:38:19 EDT From: DarkBastion@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Conker In a message dated 7/31/01 4:56:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thraxen@ipa.net writes: << Sadly, I did waste my money on that game. Oh well. Stryder >> I freely chose to spend my money on Conker, and didn't regret any of it. Well, maybe the $60 price stage was a bit steep, but I would gladly spend $30-$40 for it. Sure, it was somewhat directionless, but then again, most irreverent comedies are. And for the N64, the graphics are pretty damn good. ~Matt [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 17:45:54 EDT From: Jedcross2@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] OS - --part1_86.d606a61.28988112_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/31/01 10:32:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sanrio@velocity.net writes: > > For the Dreamcast the OS is on each game disc, not in the system itself, I > believe the same goes for the N64 but on carts, of course. > > How large is the file? If it's not too big, I'd like to see it. > > ~~ Dave ~~ > > The file is 30KB(actually, it's 29,696 bytes, so it's like 29.696 KB). I'll send it to you via an email, and it's got a whole lot more on it too like name of each chips and stuff. - -Jed - ----------------------------- Check out GameQubed's new forums Co-Webmaster of GameQubed - --part1_86.d606a61.28988112_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/31/01 10:32:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
sanrio@velocity.net writes:



For the Dreamcast the OS is on each game disc, not in the system itself, I
believe the same goes for the N64 but on carts, of course.

How large is the file? If it's not too big, I'd like to see it.

~~ Dave ~~





The file is 30KB(actually, it's 29,696 bytes, so it's like 29.696 KB). I'll
send it to you via an email, and it's got a whole lot more on it too like
name of each chips and stuff.

-Jed
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Co-Webmaster of GameQubed - --part1_86.d606a61.28988112_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 17:51:23 EDT From: Jedcross2@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Conker - --part1_c1.11b27d29.2898825b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/31/01 4:56:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thraxen@ipa.net writes: > Sadly, I did waste my money on that game. Oh well. > > > Stryder > Sadly, I haven't tried that game. - -Jed - ----------------------------- Check out GameQubed's new forums Co-Webmaster of GameQubed - --part1_c1.11b27d29.2898825b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/31/01 4:56:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thraxen@ipa.net
writes:


Sadly, I did waste my money on that game.  Oh well.


Stryder



Sadly, I haven't tried that game.

-Jed
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DarkBastion@aol.com writes:


I freely chose to spend my money on Conker, and didn't regret any of it.
Well, maybe the $60 price stage was a bit steep, but I would gladly spend
$30-$40 for it. Sure, it was somewhat directionless, but then again, most
irreverent comedies are. And for the N64, the graphics are pretty damn
good.

~Matt


Heh, I still don't regret the $60.  I had enough fun with Conker to warrant
that purchase.  I only get rid of games I didn't like in the first place.  
That reminds me, anyone here want South Park 64 for 5 bucks? ;)
-Eric- - --part1_47.ebf4426.2898bd23_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 21:34:45 -0500 From: Rick Sharer Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Thraxen wrote: > It is a console...how will it not be a stable environment?? You *are* talking about Microsoft. > You really > backed yourself in a corner with your previous statment. Also, how do you > explain the fact that some DC games use a Windows OS and don't crash and are > not buggy? Hmmm? You said it. *Some* do. > I've never had to reinstall any OS. Too much trouble. I just find the > problem, fix it, move on. I'll buy you an XBOX if you can solve this one by the morning. You've had close to a week as it is to impress us all. > Again, most the games will not be made by MS. The XBOX's major parts are > made by well respected manufacturers. The XBOX is a closed console > architecture. Most PC's are not made by MS. Most applications on PC's are not made by MS. Your point? > All of these points clearly indicate that your overblown fears are simple > propaganda... Riiiiiiight. > the XBOX will function just like any other console. Sure it will. > It's the games that will matter in the end. Then why are you arguing? > Yea, just like you've never played any GC game...what's your point? My point is that you claimed the games made you switch your purchase...that is, before you've even played the games. > > It doesn't matter how many I name, you'll classify them as differences of > > opinion...but they were still mistakes nonetheless. I think the biggest > mistake > > you made was dissing Dex without understanding his viewpoints. > > In other words, you don't know of any. I know of at least twenty...but like the one above, you refuse to even acknowledge it and maybe learn from it. I'm pretty sure you can justify and rationalize every mistake you've made. Hey, you're King Stryder, and you've already got the MS E3 debacle figured out and explained away. > Ummm...those were facts. Very real facts. Again, you simply refuse to > acknowledge them as such. They are nothing more than Microsoft Propaganda until the Proof is running in people's homes...sorry, but that's the Fact about a poor reputation and a checkered past. > I agree they shouldn't have screwed up as bad at E3...but so what? So...seeing is believing and we saw Crap. That's what. That may not mean anything to a Microsoft fanboy, but it means a ton to a careful consumer. RS _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:51:22 EDT From: Devil929@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Conker - --part1_d7.a12fda3.2898c8aa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/31/2001 9:09:29 PM Central Daylight Time, Nutz4n64@aol.com writes: > Heh, I still don't regret the $60. I had enough fun with Conker to warrant > that purchase. I only get rid of games I didn't like in the first place. > That reminds me, anyone here want South Park 64 for 5 bucks? ;) > If you're really selling it for $5, then hell, why not? We don't have a review for it and it's better than renting since I can hold onto it;-) - -aldo m. - --part1_d7.a12fda3.2898c8aa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/31/2001 9:09:29 PM Central Daylight Time,
Nutz4n64@aol.com writes:


Heh, I still don't regret the $60.  I had enough fun with Conker to warrant
that purchase.  I only get rid of games I didn't like in the first place.   
That reminds me, anyone here want South Park 64 for 5 bucks? ;)
-Eric-


If you're really selling it for $5, then hell, why not? We don't have a
review for it and it's better than renting since I can hold onto it;-)

-aldo m. - --part1_d7.a12fda3.2898c8aa_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 23:16:02 EDT From: Jedcross2@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Conker - --part1_85.dcc3e4d.2898ce72_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/31/01 10:09:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Nutz4n64@aol.com writes: > Heh, I still don't regret the $60. I had enough fun with Conker to warrant > that purchase. I only get rid of games I didn't like in the first place. > That reminds me, anyone here want South Park 64 for 5 bucks? ;) > Um, 5 Canadian bucks? - -Jed - ----------------------------- Check out GameQubed's new forums Co-Webmaster of GameQubed - --part1_85.dcc3e4d.2898ce72_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/31/01 10:09:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Nutz4n64@aol.com writes:


Heh, I still don't regret the $60.  I had enough fun with Conker to warrant
that purchase.  I only get rid of games I didn't like in the first place.   
That reminds me, anyone here want South Park 64 for 5 bucks? ;)
-Eric-



Um, 5 Canadian bucks?

-Jed
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I'm just looking at all that can be looked at right now. You're trying to compare PC OSs to a console OS which is an utterly ridiculous comparison. Anyone with any tech knowledge at all would know this. Plain and simple. > I know of at least twenty...but like the one above, you refuse to even > acknowledge it and maybe learn from it. I'm pretty sure you can justify and > rationalize every mistake you've made. Hey, you're King Stryder, and you've > already got the MS E3 debacle figured out and explained away. Dumbass...you still won't name any. 20 my ass. I'm not explaining away anything. Just giving out facts. It's quite simple really...you're just to ignorant to accept it. > They are nothing more than Microsoft Propaganda until the Proof is running in > people's homes...sorry, but that's the Fact about a poor reputation and a > checkered past. It's not propaganda if it's the truth. Are you saying that the E3 hardware was final? If so, you're just a f*cking idiot. It's like arguing with a damn child... Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:39:47 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] PCs do suck > Because of the OS or overheating? Honestly, probably both. GE crashed sometimes after several hours of play...but I also had both it and Turok 2 crash without playing very long. Plus other games crashed at one point or another (Rogue Squadron crash once) without long periods of play. I've never had a system not crash. Well, my GBA hasn't crashed yet, but I'm sure it will at some point. Stryder > > > > > I believe the operating systems in each on Nintendo's consoles was > > bug-free. > > > > My N64 crashed on a number of occasions. > > > > Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 08:58:48 -0500 From: Rick Sharer Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Thraxen wrote: > > Then why are you arguing? > > Because you make completely ignorant statements. Ah. Yeah, that's what *I* do...argue for days with someone who makes ignorant statements. You're arguing because deep down you know I'm right, and you haven't come to terms with it. > So what? I'm just looking at all that can be looked at right now. You're > trying to compare PC OSs to a console OS which is an utterly ridiculous > comparison. Anyone with any tech knowledge at all would know this. Plain > and simple. Anyone with any tech knowledge at all knows that a tech company with a long history of producing bug-ridden software will more than likely produce bug-ridden products in the future, whether it be consoles or operating systems. > Dumbass...you still won't name any. 20 my ass. Hey, I love you too, Mr. Genius. I've already named one (which you rationalize and deny), so besides not being able to count, you also cannot face up to facts. > I'm not explaining away anything. Just giving out facts. It's quite simple > really...you're just to ignorant to accept it. At least I'm smart enough to spell "too" correctly. > > They are nothing more than Microsoft Propaganda until the Proof is running > > in people's homes...sorry, but that's the Fact about a poor reputation and a > > > checkered past. > > It's not propaganda if it's the truth. Are you saying that the E3 hardware > was final? If so, you're just a f*cking idiot. I'm saying that MS' E3 hardware was a disappointment. Any MS rationalization or explanation for that will have to be *seen* now in order to be believed...except by MS fanboys, of course. RS _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 10:25:02 -0500 From: "Geoff Taylor" Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX Dammit! Would you both stop? This has gone way beyond pointless. Geoff Taylor - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Sharer" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [NG] GC vs XBOX > Thraxen wrote: > > > > Then why are you arguing? > > > > Because you make completely ignorant statements. > > Ah. Yeah, that's what *I* do...argue for days with someone who makes ignorant > statements. You're arguing because deep down you know I'm right, and you > haven't come to terms with it. > > > So what? I'm just looking at all that can be looked at right now. You're > > trying to compare PC OSs to a console OS which is an utterly ridiculous > > comparison. Anyone with any tech knowledge at all would know this. Plain > > and simple. > > Anyone with any tech knowledge at all knows that a tech company with a long > history of producing bug-ridden software will more than likely produce > bug-ridden products in the future, whether it be consoles or operating systems. > > > Dumbass...you still won't name any. 20 my ass. > > Hey, I love you too, Mr. Genius. I've already named one (which you rationalize > and deny), so besides not being able to count, you also cannot face up to facts. > > > I'm not explaining away anything. Just giving out facts. It's quite simple > > really...you're just to ignorant to accept it. > > At least I'm smart enough to spell "too" correctly. > > > > They are nothing more than Microsoft Propaganda until the Proof is running > > > in people's homes...sorry, but that's the Fact about a poor reputation and a > > > > > checkered past. > > > > It's not propaganda if it's the truth. Are you saying that the E3 hardware > > was final? If so, you're just a f*cking idiot. > > I'm saying that MS' E3 hardware was a disappointment. Any MS rationalization or > explanation for that will have to be *seen* now in order to be believed...except > by MS fanboys, of course. > > RS > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ End of NGamers-digest V1 #1638 ****************************** [ To quit the NGamers-digest mailing list (big mistake), send the message ] [ "unsubscribe NGamers-digest" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ]