From: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com (NGamers-digest) To: ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: NGamers-digest V1 #1653 Reply-To: NGamers-digest Sender: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk NGamers-digest Saturday, August 18 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1653 Re: [NG] Soul Caliber 2 on GCN Re: [NG] Hello? Re: [NG] Xenogears Re: [NG] Snatcher Re: [NG] Hello? Re: [NG] Soul Caliber 2 on GCN Re: [NG] Hello? Re: [NG] emu [NG] Mario Kart Super Circuit Re: [NG] Hello? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 08:53:02 -0400 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] Soul Caliber 2 on GCN This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C127C3.3013E240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DarkBastion@aol.com=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 11:18 PM Subject: [NG] Soul Caliber 2 on GCN cube.ign.com: Namco's Soul Burns for GameCube=20 There you have it, folks. Namco developing big name titles for = Nintendo ...=20 hmm ... looks like Spaceworld could be a lot more interesting in the=20 3rd-party realm than we thought ...=20 ~Matt=20 "Reality continues to ruin my life."=20 =20 - Calvin and Hobbes=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- AGH! It better come out for the PS2 too. But if it's only for Gamecube, = then I have no choice but to sell my plasma.=20 ~~ Dave ~~ "Excuse me please, one more drink Would you make it strong 'Cause I don't need to think She broke my heart My grace is gone Another drink and I'll move on" -- Dave Matthews Band Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C127C3.3013E240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 DarkBastion@aol.com
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 = 11:18=20 PM
Subject: [NG] Soul Caliber 2 on = GCN

cube.ign.com:=20 Namco's Soul Burns for GameCube

There you have it, folks. = Namco=20 developing big name titles for Nintendo ...
hmm ... looks like = Spaceworld=20 could be a lot more interesting in the
3rd-party realm than we = thought ...=20


~Matt

"Reality continues to ruin my life."=20
      
- Calvin and Hobbes =

 
 
AGH! It better come out for the PS2 = too. But if=20 it's only for Gamecube, then I have no choice but to sell my plasma.=20
 
~~ Dave ~~
 
"Excuse me please, one more = drink
 Would=20 you make it strong
 'Cause I don't need to think
 She = broke my=20 heart
 My grace is gone
 Another drink and I'll move on" = - -- Dave=20 Matthews Band
 Sanrio@velocity.net
 Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
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- ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C127C3.3013E240-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 08:55:15 -0400 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] Hello? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C127C3.7F5EA6A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jedcross2@aol.com=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [NG] Hello? In a message dated 8/17/01 8:11:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 sanrio@velocity.net writes:=20 Right here. Where I've always been. But since I'm not playing games = on a=20 Nintendo system (Final Fantasy IV, Chrono Trigger, Gran Turismo 3 = A-Spec,=20 and Baku Baku) I have no reason to post here.=20 ~~ Dave ~~=20 OH NINTENDO, OUR MARIO MAKING LAND. OH NINTENDO, WE STAND IN LINE FOR = THEE.=20 Hmmm, that's a strange song...hmmm, some strange feminists wanna = change Oh=20 Canada!=20 -Jed=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- If I could remember how the American National Anthem goes I'd make a = parody of it also, but I can't get "Red Sector A" by Rush out of my = head.=20 ~~ Dave ~~ "I can't spare a moment for the dog faced boy I won't lend another hand to the worm-girl of Hanoi Don't deplete my oxygen for the guy who's turning blue But ask me, and I'll do anything for you." -- Phish Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C127C3.7F5EA6A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jedcross2@aol.com
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 = 8:38=20 PM
Subject: Re: [NG] Hello?

In a = message dated=20 8/17/01 8:11:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sanrio@velocity.net writes: =


Right here. Where I've always been. But since I'm not = playing=20 games on a
Nintendo system (Final Fantasy IV, Chrono Trigger, = Gran=20 Turismo 3 A-Spec,
and Baku Baku) I have no reason to post here.=20

~~ Dave ~~



OH NINTENDO, OUR = MARIO MAKING=20 LAND. OH NINTENDO, WE STAND IN LINE FOR THEE.

Hmmm, that's a = strange=20 song...hmmm, some strange feminists wanna change Oh
Canada! =

-Jed=20
 
If I could remember how the American = National=20 Anthem goes I'd make a parody of it also, but I can't get "Red Sector A" = by Rush=20 out of my head.
 
~~ Dave ~~
 
"I can't spare a moment for the dog = faced=20 boy
 I won't lend another hand to the worm-girl of = Hanoi
 Don't=20 deplete my oxygen for the guy who's turning blue
 But ask me, = and I'll=20 do anything for you." -- Phish
 Sanrio@velocity.net
 Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
&nbs= p;AIM:=20 Trey Table
- ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C127C3.7F5EA6A0-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 08:58:47 -0400 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] Xenogears This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C127C3.FE2925A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 3:29 AM Subject: Re: [NG] Hello? still playing Alone in the dark & Xenogears & Vanishing Point & that seems to be enough. And my "militay" service is still taking me two weeks of my valuable time, oh yeah another two weeks. One question to xenogears - anybody here who has played it yet? I'm still in the beginning- how many hours should I have for finishing it? - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- It took me 72 hours to finish Xenogears the first time through. Have = fun. =3D) ~~ Dave ~~ "I can't spare a moment for the dog faced boy I won't lend another hand to the worm-girl of Hanoi Don't deplete my oxygen for the guy who's turning blue But ask me, and I'll do anything for you." -- Phish Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C127C3.FE2925A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Michael =
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, = 2001 3:29=20 AM
Subject: Re: [NG] Hello?

still playing Alone in the dark & Xenogears = &
Vanishing Point=20 & that seems to be enough.
And my "militay" service is still = taking me=20 two weeks
of my valuable time, oh yeah another two = weeks.

One=20 question to xenogears - anybody here who has played
it yet? I'm = still in=20 the beginning- how many hours should I have
for finishing = it?

 
It took me 72 hours to finish Xenogears = the first=20 time through. Have fun. =3D)
 
~~ Dave ~~
 
"I can't spare a moment for the dog = faced=20 boy
 I won't lend another hand to the worm-girl of = Hanoi
 Don't=20 deplete my oxygen for the guy who's turning blue
 But ask me, = and I'll=20 do anything for you." -- Phish
 Sanrio@velocity.net
 Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
&nbs= p;AIM:=20 Trey Table
- ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C127C3.FE2925A0-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 09:03:09 -0400 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] Snatcher This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C127C4.9A532CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 3:29 AM Subject: Re: [NG] Hello? BytheWay, last week I was reading tru several old magazines and one = report about seldom videogames caught my eyes. The game's called Snatcher and seems to ve very rare - there should be a psx, (saturn too, i = guess) and mega cd version available. (any others..?) On ebay.com the prices for the saturn version went very high - is it = worth the high price? But maybe the best would be a psx version- anybody = knows where I can get one? To keep it N related, i'm still hoping for n64 versions of those games = :)) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- Snatcher was released in Japan on the Mega CD, PC Engine CD, Saturn, and = PlayStation. It saw a limited American release on the SEGA CD and Turbo = Grafx-CD. It never came to any other system in the US. It was a choose = your fate point and click adventure, but really linear. Good for its = time, but by today's standards a relative lemon, unless your a = collector. It was created by Hideo Kojima (Metal Gear series, Zone of = The Enders) and that just adds to its mystique. But there have been = better games before and after it. No N64 version. ~~ Dave ~~ "I can't spare a moment for the dog faced boy I won't lend another hand to the worm-girl of Hanoi Don't deplete my oxygen for the guy who's turning blue But ask me, and I'll do anything for you." -- Phish Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C127C4.9A532CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Michael =
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, = 2001 3:29=20 AM
Subject: Re: [NG] Hello?

BytheWay, last week I was reading tru several old = magazines and=20 one report
about seldom videogames caught my eyes. The game's = called=20 Snatcher
and seems to ve very rare -  there should be a psx, = (saturn=20 too, i guess)
and mega cd version available. (any others..?)
On = ebay.com=20 the prices for the saturn version went very high - is it worth
the = high=20 price? But maybe the best would be a psx version- anybody = knows
where I can=20 get one?
To keep it N related, i'm still hoping for n64 versions of = those=20 games :))
 
Snatcher was released in Japan on the = Mega CD, PC=20 Engine CD, Saturn, and PlayStation. It saw a limited American release on = the=20 SEGA CD and Turbo Grafx-CD. It never came to any other system in the US. = It was=20 a choose your fate point and click adventure, but really linear. Good = for its=20 time, but by today's standards a relative lemon, unless your a = collector. It was=20 created by Hideo Kojima (Metal Gear series, Zone of The Enders) and that = just=20 adds to its mystique. But there have been better games before and after=20 it.
 
No N64 version.
 
~~ Dave ~~
 
"I can't spare a moment for the dog = faced=20 boy
 I won't lend another hand to the worm-girl of = Hanoi
 Don't=20 deplete my oxygen for the guy who's turning blue
 But ask me, = and I'll=20 do anything for you." -- Phish
 Sanrio@velocity.net
 Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
&nbs= p;AIM:=20 Trey Table
- ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C127C4.9A532CA0-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 09:05:49 -0400 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] Hello? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C127C4.F9A814E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 3:37 AM Subject: Re: [NG] Hello? But CT & FF4 were actually for a nintendo system ;) Besides that, I'm just wondering you're paying so much for those two - ever heard of roms? _Michael_ - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- Show me a SNES Emulator that doesn't suck ass and maybe I'd look. But = Final Fantasy Chronicles was only $40. $20 for Final Fantasy IV and $20 = for Chrono Trigger is not a bad deal at all. And those animated = cut-scenes in Chrono Trigger kick arse. =3D) My favorite (so far) is = where Frog uses the Masamune.=20 ~~ Dave ~~ "Microsoft Windows 9X'. A thirty-two bit extension and graphical shell = to a sixteen-bit patch to an eight-bit operating system originally coded = for a four-bit microprocessor which was written by a two-bit company = that can't stand one bit of competition."=20 Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C127C4.F9A814E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Michael =
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, = 2001 3:37=20 AM
Subject: Re: [NG] Hello?

But CT & FF4 were actually for a nintendo system=20 ;)
Besides that, I'm just wondering you're paying so much = for
those two=20 - ever heard of roms?

_Michael_


 
Show me a SNES Emulator that doesn't = suck ass and=20 maybe I'd look. But Final Fantasy Chronicles was only $40. $20 for Final = Fantasy=20 IV and $20 for Chrono Trigger is not a bad deal at all. And those = animated=20 cut-scenes in Chrono Trigger kick arse. =3D) My favorite (so far) is = where Frog=20 uses the Masamune.
 
~~ Dave ~~
 
 "Microsoft Windows 9X'. A = thirty-two bit=20 extension and graphical shell to a sixteen-bit patch to an eight-bit = operating=20 system originally coded for a four-bit microprocessor which was written = by a=20 two-bit company that can't stand one bit of competition."
 Sanrio@velocity.net
 Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
&nbs= p;AIM:=20 Trey Table
- ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C127C4.F9A814E0-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 12:57:36 -0500 From: "Eric C" Subject: Re: [NG] Soul Caliber 2 on GCN >From: DarkBastion@aol.com >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >Subject: [NG] Soul Caliber 2 on GCN >Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 23:18:59 EDT > > cube.ign.com: Namco's Soul >Burns for GameCube > >There you have it, folks. Namco developing big name titles for Nintendo ... >hmm ... looks like Spaceworld could be a lot more interesting in the >3rd-party realm than we thought ... > > >~Matt > Well, good news, but I want to see RE Zero there too. Did they announce it? D*mn, I want that game! - -Satoshi _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 12:12:00 -0600 From: Don Fentie Subject: Re: [NG] Hello? http://www.zsnes.com Has refined network and modem capabilities too. Playing Super Bomberman with 3 of my friends over our computers never was as fun! > Dave wrote: > Show me a SNES Emulator that doesn't suck ass and maybe I'd look. But > Final Fantasy Chronicles was only $40. $20 for Final Fantasy IV and > $20 for Chrono Trigger is not a bad deal at all. And those animated > cut-scenes in Chrono Trigger kick arse. =) My favorite (so far) is > where Frog uses the Masamune. > > ~~ Dave ~~ > > "Microsoft Windows 9X'. A thirty-two bit extension and graphical > shell to a sixteen-bit patch to an eight-bit operating system > originally coded for a four-bit microprocessor which was written by a > two-bit company that can't stand one bit of competition." > Sanrio@velocity.net > Drhodes_74@hotmail.com > AIM: Trey Table [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:55:50 +0200 From: "Michael" Subject: Re: [NG] emu Ecactly this one, i guess it's the best one. When playing Chrono Trigger for example put the resolution a bit higher to something. like 512*384*16B vesa2 in order to see the transparency effects correctly. _Michael_ - -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Don Fentie An: NGamers@lists.xmission.com Datum: Samstag, 18. August 2001 20:09 Betreff: Re: [NG] Hello? >http://www.zsnes.com > >Has refined network and modem capabilities too. Playing Super Bomberman >with 3 of my friends over our computers never was as fun! > >> Dave wrote: >> Show me a SNES Emulator that doesn't suck ass and maybe I'd look. But >> Final Fantasy Chronicles was only $40. $20 for Final Fantasy IV and >> $20 for Chrono Trigger is not a bad deal at all. And those animated >> cut-scenes in Chrono Trigger kick arse. =3D) My favorite (so far) is >> where Frog uses the Masamune. >> >> ~~ Dave ~~ >> >> "Microsoft Windows 9X'. A thirty-two bit extension and graphical >> shell to a sixteen-bit patch to an eight-bit operating system >> originally coded for a four-bit microprocessor which was written by a >> two-bit company that can't stand one bit of competition." >> Sanrio@velocity.net >> Drhodes_74@hotmail.com >> AIM: Trey Table > >[ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] >[ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 21:02:17 -0400 From: "Dave" Subject: [NG] Mario Kart Super Circuit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C12829.10094E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I got to try out Mario Kart for the GBA today. Would have been nicer if = I could hear the sound (100 screaming kids at some Pokemon Brainwashing = Meeting doesn't help) and if the lighting was better. It controlled like = Super Mario Kart, played like Super Mario Kart, although using L to use = stuff like shells & stars was kinda hard to get used to. I'd reserve my = judgment on Mario Kart since the conditions sucked ass. But if I got a = GBA today that'd probably be one of the three games I'd get for it. The = other two being Mario Advance and Tony Hawk 2. ~~ Dave ~~ "I can't spare a moment for the dog faced boy I won't lend another hand to the worm-girl of Hanoi Don't deplete my oxygen for the guy who's turning blue But ask me, and I'll do anything for you." -- Phish Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C12829.10094E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I got to try out Mario Kart for the GBA = today.=20 Would have been nicer if I could hear the sound (100 screaming kids at = some=20 Pokemon Brainwashing Meeting doesn't help) and if the lighting was = better. It=20 controlled like Super Mario Kart, played like Super Mario Kart, although = using L=20 to use stuff like shells & stars was kinda hard to get used to. I'd = reserve=20 my judgment on Mario Kart since the conditions sucked ass. But if I got = a GBA=20 today that'd probably be one of the three games I'd get for it. The = other two=20 being Mario Advance and Tony Hawk 2.
 
~~ Dave ~~
 
"I can't spare a moment for the dog = faced=20 boy
 I won't lend another hand to the worm-girl of = Hanoi
 Don't=20 deplete my oxygen for the guy who's turning blue
 But ask me, = and I'll=20 do anything for you." -- Phish
 Sanrio@velocity.net
 Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
&nbs= p;AIM:=20 Trey Table
- ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C12829.10094E20-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 21:04:19 -0400 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] Hello? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C12829.59136CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Don Fentie=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [NG] Hello? http://www.zsnes.com Has refined network and modem capabilities too. Playing Super = Bomberman with 3 of my friends over our computers never was as fun! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- If all's the same to you I'd rather play Saturn Bomberman. Actually I = never did care for Bomberman.=20 ~~ Dave ~~ "I can't spare a moment for the dog faced boy I won't lend another hand to the worm-girl of Hanoi Don't deplete my oxygen for the guy who's turning blue But ask me, and I'll do anything for you." -- Phish Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C12829.59136CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Don = Fentie=20
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 = 2:12=20 PM
Subject: Re: [NG] Hello?

http://www.zsnes.com

Has = refined=20 network and modem capabilities too.  Playing Super = Bomberman
with 3 of=20 my friends over our computers never was as fun!

 
If all's the same to you I'd rather = play Saturn=20 Bomberman. Actually I never did care for Bomberman.
 
~~ Dave ~~
 
"I can't spare a moment for the dog = faced=20 boy
 I won't lend another hand to the worm-girl of = Hanoi
 Don't=20 deplete my oxygen for the guy who's turning blue
 But ask me, = and I'll=20 do anything for you." -- Phish
 Sanrio@velocity.net
 Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
&nbs= p;AIM:=20 Trey Table
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