From: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com (NGamers-digest) To: ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: NGamers-digest V1 #1667 Reply-To: NGamers-digest Sender: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk NGamers-digest Sunday, August 26 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1667 Re: [NG] Nintendo is shooting itself in the foot Re: [NG] Mushroom Kingdom Re: [NG] Hope in dark times... Re: [NG] Hope in dark times... Re: [NG] Hope in dark times... Re: [NG] Nintendo is shooting itself in the foot Re: [NG] Hope in dark times... Re: [NG] Nintendo is shooting itself in the foot Re: [NG] Nintendo is shooting itself in the foot ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 16:19:52 -0500 From: "Eric C" Subject: Re: [NG] Nintendo is shooting itself in the foot >From: "Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr." >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: Dave >CC: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >Subject: [NG] Nintendo is shooting itself in the foot >Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 16:11:20 -0400 (EDT) > > > > The cartoon shaded Zelda might be innovative(Popolocrois for PS2 is just >like it though) and new BUT it reinforces the kiddie image that hurt it >back in 1996/97 when it became apparent that the PS would remain in >front. Sure the kid market is lucrative but Nintendo can't afford to lose >the teen and adult gamers who are or will be a majority. After all these >efforts to lose the kiddie image with Conker and ED the Nintendo does a >180 and makes its second biggest franchise look like a saturday morning >cartoon. You really think the many gamers on the XBox/GCN fence will opt >for a GCN now??? Please! > > The delay shocked me even more. RELEASE THE SYSTEM WITH 200K UNITS LESS >AS LONG AS YOU BEAT XBOX TO MARKET!!! Sure PS2 had a shortage but is it >still suffering? No, not at all. Just how many units can be made in 13 >days? > > >I think the real reason is obvious........THE GAMES WEREN'T >READY. Nintendo once again had a delay in software but to cover up that >fact they push up the release date. Instead of waiting a month for the >next batch of 1st party titles(SSB, etc) we only wait 15 days....whoopty >doo. > > > >In closing I think Miyamoto is losing it. The creativity is still there >but the mainstream appeal might be slipping. Pikmin, Zelda, and Mario >Sunshine(Mario should always be in mushroom kingdom not in real world >environments...that's why I didn't like Sonic Adventure) could be >testaments to this. I hope I'm wrong. > > > >the good side of this is that GCN will sell all of its consoles regardless >and it should catch up to the Xbox by mid December so the different >release dates will probably be forgotten. Also, the casual gamer isn't >yet aware of the new Zelda and probably doesn't care. We'll see how this >generation plays out. > > > > >Lloyd > > I don't think Miyamoto has lost it at all. I could see a possible argument for that in Zelda (get to that in a sec), but not in Pikmin or Mario. For one, how do we really know that this "real world" setting isn't just one stage, or, for that matter, isn't the Mushroom Kingdom? If we think about this, the Kingdom has undergone numerous changes in appearance over time. In MRPG, it looked almost like a medieval kingdom. In Paper Mario, it looked like a slightly more modern village (not much more, mind you). Besides this, think about some of the other Mario games. In SMB2, he was in Subcon. In SMW, it was Dinosaur World. SMW2 brought us to Yoshi's Island. So, seriously, there have been a number of Mario games that take place outside the Mushroom Kingdom. And, speaking of Sonic Adventure, they did show portions in the Mystic Ruins, right? (with some excellent overworld music, not to mention) With Pikmin, I see Miyamoto exploring uncharted areas. I mean, seriously, casual gamers probably wouldn't give a d*mn, since this is a new franchise. If they don't like it (by that, I mean the look of it), they'll likely pass it over without a second thought. It's just trying new things, which I admire Miyamoto for doing. Speaking of which, we arrive at Zelda. I do understand your reasoning here that a radical change such as this to Nintendo's possibly most well known and beloved series may turn people off and have them think that it's too much of a kiddy thing. This is my biggest fear, and this is, in some places, happening. After the uproar is over, however, I'd say this game has a chance to do well. The same sort of thing happened with the release of screens of Paper Mario. People hated that it didn't have this wonderful 3D look, but it turned out great in the end. Though, I admit, it's not exactly the same as the change to Zelda. Still, I have my hopes. - -Satoshi _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 17:55:01 -0400 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] Mushroom Kingdom This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C12D8F.0FE195E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr.=20 To: Dave=20 Cc: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 4:11 PM Subject: [NG] Nintendo is shooting itself in the foot (Mario should always be in mushroom kingdom not in real world environments...that's why I didn't like Sonic Adventure)=20 Lloyd - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- Would you care to tell us what the Mushroom Kingdom really looks like? = It is that flat 2-D place with a few pipes and staircases made from = blocks place? Is it the other 2-D place where full of pipes, and basic = colored buildings with some palm trees and a few places where the tide = rushes in to cover the land and quickly leaves only to come back again? = Is it the medieval castle type place full of mushroom headed people and = Toad's 100 twin brothers (or sisters, I'm still not sure of Toad's = gender)? Or is it a big empty castle (save for a few paintings) with a = cannon in the front lawn, a pool in the back and right next to a = racetrack?=20 Not to mention that Mario has adventured in other places beyond what is = called the Mushroom Kingdom, like the two Yoshi's Islands, the realm of = the Subcon, and places where tadpoles make music and (I'd been so long = since I played Super Mario RPG that I forget the other locales). Another thing, that warehouse district may be a part of the Mushroom = Kingdom we never saw before. If Mario (or Sonic) stayed in the same = place it would get stale (Sonic The Hedgehog 3 as an example).=20 I wonder, where in the real world have you seen a monster made = completely out of water? Or a giant cat that goes fishing and can lift = up cars? ;-) Mario Sunshine looks to be the most promising Nintendo made Gamecube = game even if it does look like (right now) it's being played on a = Dreamcast. Let's just hope Nintendo doesn't decide that there will only = be one Super Mario game on the GC. ~~ Dave ~~ "I am the king of... no pants!." -- Penny Arcade http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=3D2001-06-06=20 Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C12D8F.0FE195E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Lloyd Millard=20 Mccoy Jr.
To: Dave
Cc: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 = 4:11=20 PM
Subject: [NG] Nintendo is = shooting itself=20 in the foot


(Mario should always be in mushroom kingdom not in real=20 world
environments...that's why I didn't like Sonic Adventure) =
Lloyd


 
Would you care to tell us what the = Mushroom Kingdom=20 really looks like? It is that flat 2-D place with a few pipes and = staircases=20 made from blocks place? Is it the other 2-D place where full of pipes, = and basic=20 colored buildings with some palm trees and a few places where the tide = rushes in=20 to cover the land and quickly leaves only to come back again? Is it the = medieval=20 castle type place full of mushroom headed people and Toad's 100 twin = brothers=20 (or sisters, I'm still not sure of Toad's gender)? Or is it a big empty = castle=20 (save for a few paintings) with a cannon in the front lawn, a pool in = the back=20 and right next to a racetrack?
 
Not to mention that Mario has = adventured in other=20 places beyond what is called the Mushroom Kingdom, like the two Yoshi's = Islands,=20 the realm of the Subcon, and places where tadpoles make music and (I'd = been so=20 long since I played Super Mario RPG that I forget the other=20 locales).
 
Another thing, that warehouse district = may be a=20 part of the Mushroom Kingdom we never saw before. If Mario (or Sonic) = stayed in=20 the same place it would get stale (Sonic The Hedgehog 3 as an example).=20
 
I wonder, where in the real world have = you seen a=20 monster made completely out of water? Or a giant cat that goes fishing = and can=20 lift up cars? ;-)
 
Mario Sunshine looks to be the most = promising=20 Nintendo made Gamecube game even if it does look like (right now) it's = being=20 played on a Dreamcast. Let's just hope Nintendo doesn't decide that = there will=20 only be one Super Mario game on the GC.
 
~~ Dave ~~
 
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- ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C12D8F.0FE195E0-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 17:57:54 -0400 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] Hope in dark times... This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C12D8F.772B8A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: SillyMrMan@aol.com=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 12:50 PM Subject: [NG] Hope in dark times... NINTENDO WILL NOT RELEASE A GAME IT BELIEVES TO BE OF LOW QUALITY. =20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- Explain Yoshi's Story. ;-) ~~ Dave ~~ "I am the king of... no pants!." -- Penny Arcade http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=3D2001-06-06=20 Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C12D8F.772B8A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 = 12:50=20 PM
Subject: [NG] Hope in dark = times...

NINTENDO WILL NOT RELEASE A GAME = IT BELIEVES=20 TO BE OF LOW QUALITY. =20
 
Explain Yoshi's Story. ;-)
 
~~ Dave ~~
 
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- ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C12D8F.772B8A80-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 17:04:38 -0500 From: "Eric C" Subject: Re: [NG] Hope in dark times... >From: "Dave" >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: >Subject: Re: [NG] Hope in dark times... >Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 17:57:54 -0400 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: SillyMrMan@aol.com > To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 12:50 PM > Subject: [NG] Hope in dark times... > > NINTENDO WILL NOT RELEASE A GAME IT BELIEVES TO BE OF LOW QUALITY. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >Explain Yoshi's Story. ;-) > >~~ Dave ~~ > Did you, or they believe it was of low quality? ;-) - -Satoshi _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 02:14:09 EDT From: SillyMrMan@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Hope in dark times... - --part1_39.19a92ca8.28b9edb1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 08 / 25 / 2001 6:00:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sanrio@velocity.net writes: > > >> NINTENDO WILL NOT RELEASE A GAME IT BELIEVES TO BE OF LOW QUALITY. >> > > > > Explain Yoshi's Story. ;-) > > > > ~~ Dave ~~ > Actually that game was pretty cool. VERY kiddie but it was unique in it's own right. My friend has it and his little brother loves it to death. Interesting but not for you or me, Dave... obviously. I mean, would you play something like Tigger's Honey Hunt? One out of so many classics. - - Eric - --part1_39.19a92ca8.28b9edb1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 08 / 25 / 2001 6:00:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sanrio@velocity.net writes:



NINTENDO WILL NOT RELEASE A GAME IT BELIEVES TO BE OF LOW QUALITY.  




Explain Yoshi's Story. ;-)



~~ Dave ~~


Actually that game was pretty cool.  VERY kiddie but it was unique in it's
own right.  My friend has it and his little brother loves it to death.  
Interesting but not for you or me, Dave... obviously.  I mean, would you play
something like Tigger's Honey Hunt?  One out of so many classics.

- Eric - --part1_39.19a92ca8.28b9edb1_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:35:28 +0200 From: "Michael" Subject: Re: [NG] Nintendo is shooting itself in the foot - -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr. An: Dave Cc: NGamers@lists.xmission.com Datum: Samstag, 25. August 2001 22:11 Betreff: [NG] Nintendo is shooting itself in the foot >How Nintendo is shooting itself in the foot: > > > The cartoon shaded Zelda might be innovative(Popolocrois for PS2 is ju= st >like it though) and new BUT it reinforces the kiddie image that hurt it >back in 1996/97 when it became apparent that the PS would remain in >front. Sure the kid market is lucrative but Nintendo can't afford to lo= se >the teen and adult gamers who are or will be a majority. After all the= se >efforts to lose the kiddie image with Conker and ED the Nintendo does a >180 and makes its second biggest franchise look like a saturday morning >cartoon. You're so damn right. Oh, this is a bad day for me as nintendo fan. I remember 1996 when I was pre-ordering my n64 not knowing that I was doing a big mistake. I thought that the n64 would get all the support like the SNES , but as good as every company was develloping for psx and is still doing this. So I tell you, until squares= oft or enix( just to name two) isn't creating one f**king good RPG for the cu= be, I won't buy it. Zelda alone is not enough. _Michael_ [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 09:27:18 -0400 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] Hope in dark times... This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C12E11.4CD60260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: SillyMrMan@aol.com=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 2:14 AM Subject: Re: [NG] Hope in dark times... In a message dated 08 / 25 / 2001 6:00:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 sanrio@velocity.net writes:=20 NINTENDO WILL NOT RELEASE A GAME IT BELIEVES TO BE OF LOW QUALITY. = =20 Explain Yoshi's Story. ;-)=20 ~~ Dave ~~=20 Actually that game was pretty cool. VERY kiddie but it was unique in = it's=20 own right. My friend has it and his little brother loves it to death. = =20 Interesting but not for you or me, Dave... obviously. I mean, would = you play=20 something like Tigger's Honey Hunt? One out of so many classics.=20 - Eric=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- I love Tigger's Honey Hunt, I hope the sequel, Tigger's Honey Hunt 2 = appears on the X-Box. ~~ Dave ~~ "I am the king of... no pants!." -- Penny Arcade http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=3D2001-06-06=20 Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C12E11.4CD60260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 SillyMrMan@aol.com
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 = 2:14=20 AM
Subject: Re: [NG] Hope in dark=20 times...

In a message dated 08 / 25 / 2001 6:00:15 PM = Eastern=20 Daylight Time,
sanrio@velocity.net writes:=20



NINTENDO WILL NOT RELEASE A GAME IT BELIEVES TO BE OF = LOW=20 QUALITY.  




Explain Yoshi's=20 Story. ;-)



~~ Dave ~~ =


Actually=20 that game was pretty cool.  VERY kiddie but it was unique in it's =
own=20 right.  My friend has it and his little brother loves it to = death.  =20
Interesting but not for you or me, Dave... obviously.  I = mean, would=20 you play
something like Tigger's Honey Hunt?  One out of so = many=20 classics.

- Eric=20
 
I love Tigger's Honey Hunt, I hope the sequel, = Tigger's=20 Honey Hunt 2 appears on the X-Box.
 
~~ Dave ~~
 
"I am the king of... no pants!." -- Penny=20 Arcade
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- ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C12E11.4CD60260-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:20:48 EDT From: Devil929@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Nintendo is shooting itself in the foot - --part1_bf.12f6a743.28ba5fc0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/26/01 6:37:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mfickert@web.de writes: > So I tell you, until squaresoft > or enix( just to name two) isn't creating one f**king good RPG for the cube, > I won't buy it. Zelda alone is not enough. > > _Michael_ > Like Square or Enix has ever made a good RPG since the SNES days. Good, don't get one; just let people who actually deserve one get theirs. Aldo Merino - ----------------- Tendo Box http://www.tendobox.com - --part1_bf.12f6a743.28ba5fc0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/26/01 6:37:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mfickert@web.de
writes:


So I tell you, until squaresoft
or enix( just to name two) isn't creating one f**king good RPG for the cube,
I won't buy it. Zelda alone is not enough.

_Michael_


Like Square or Enix has ever made a good RPG since the SNES days.

Good, don't get one; just let people who actually deserve one get theirs.

Aldo Merino
-----------------
Tendo Box
http://www.tendobox.com
- --part1_bf.12f6a743.28ba5fc0_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:51:36 -0400 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] Nintendo is shooting itself in the foot This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C12E1D.141DA160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Devil929@aol.com=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [NG] Nintendo is shooting itself in the foot In a message dated 8/26/01 6:37:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, = mfickert@web.de=20 writes:=20 So I tell you, until squaresoft=20 or enix( just to name two) isn't creating one f**king good RPG for = the cube,=20 I won't buy it. Zelda alone is not enough.=20 _Michael_=20 Like Square or Enix has ever made a good RPG since the SNES days.=20 Good, don't get one; just let people who actually deserve one get = theirs.=20 Aldo Merino=20 -----------------=20 Tendo Box=20 http://www.tendobox.com=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- Ohh, that irks me good. Square made plenty of good RPGs after the SNES. = Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy IX, Xenogears, the remakes of Final = Fantasy IV and Chrono Trigger. As for Enix though... I could say Dragon Quest VII, but after seeing = screenshots of Dragon Warrior VII it doesn't look too much different = than Dragon Warrior IV.=20 But where are the RPGs for the Gamecube? No Mother 3 (Earthbound 2)? = You'd think that Nintendo would have at least one RPG for their new = system, at least in the works anyway. Or maybe something like an RPG = like a Shenmue or a Phantasy Star Online type game. Sure, there is PSO = Version 2 from SEGA. Maybe SEGA will bring a turn based RPG to the = Gamecube, like a 'Shining' game or something. ~~ Dave ~~ "I am the king of... no pants!." -- Penny Arcade http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=3D2001-06-06=20 Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Trey Table - ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C12E1D.141DA160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Devil929@aol.com=20
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 = 10:20=20 AM
Subject: Re: [NG] Nintendo is = shooting=20 itself in the foot

In a = message dated=20 8/26/01 6:37:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mfickert@web.de
writes: =


So I tell you, until squaresoft
or enix( just to = name two)=20 isn't creating one f**king good RPG for the cube,
I won't buy = it. Zelda=20 alone is not enough.

_Michael_


Like Square or=20 Enix has ever made a good RPG since the SNES days.

Good, don't = get=20 one; just let people who actually deserve one get theirs.

Aldo = Merino=20
-----------------
Tendo Box
http://www.tendobox.com=20
 
Ohh, that irks me good. Square made = plenty of good=20 RPGs after the SNES. Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy IX, Xenogears, the = remakes=20 of Final Fantasy IV and Chrono Trigger.
 
As for Enix though... I could say = Dragon Quest VII,=20 but after seeing screenshots of Dragon Warrior VII it doesn't look too = much=20 different than Dragon Warrior IV.
 
But where are the RPGs for the = Gamecube? No Mother=20 3 (Earthbound 2)? You'd think that Nintendo would have at least one RPG = for=20 their new system, at least in the works anyway. Or maybe something like = an RPG=20 like a Shenmue or a Phantasy Star Online type game. Sure, there is PSO = Version 2=20 from SEGA. Maybe SEGA will bring a turn based RPG to the Gamecube, like = a=20 'Shining' game or something.
 
~~ Dave ~~
 
"I am the king of... no pants!." -- = Penny=20 Arcade
 http://w= ww.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=3D2001-06-06=20
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