From: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com (NGamers-digest) To: ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: NGamers-digest V1 #1679 Reply-To: NGamers-digest Sender: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk NGamers-digest Monday, September 17 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1679 Re: [NG] Gord Re: [NG] (OT) I feel sick that I'm even thinking this Re: [NG] Resident evil 1,2,3,4 for Gamecube Re: [NG] (OT) I feel sick that I'm even thinking this Re: [NG] Gord [NG] Monkey ball Re: [NG] (OT) I feel sick that I'm even thinking this Re: [NG] Gord [NG] And I thought the "Mature Zelda" petition was funny... Re: [NG] And I thought the "Mature Zelda" petition was funny... [NG] square and nintendo rumors Re: [NG] square and nintendo rumors Re: [NG] square and nintendo rumors Re: [NG] square and nintendo rumors Re: [NG] square and nintendo rumors Re: [NG] square and nintendo rumors ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:40:31 EDT From: DarkBastion@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Gord - --part1_8f.fd49b62.28d29def_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/13/01 11:19:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, d.fentie@home.com writes: > Interesting you should say that young Matt. Last I checked California > was $400,000 USD in DEBT to British Columbia Canada for the rerouting of > BC Hydro's Electricity... also all the americans will eventually realize > they have no more clean water :) Last time I checked CANADA was still America's BITCH! ~Matt "People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it's safer to pick on rich women than bikers." - --part1_8f.fd49b62.28d29def_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/13/01 11:19:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, d.fentie@home.com writes:


Interesting you should say that young Matt.  Last I checked California
was $400,000 USD in DEBT to British Columbia Canada for the rerouting of
BC Hydro's Electricity... also all the americans will eventually realize
they have no more clean water :)  Thats when we Canadians cash in!
Last time I checked CANADA was still America's BITCH!


~Matt

"People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it's safer to pick on rich women than bikers." - --part1_8f.fd49b62.28d29def_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:52:03 EDT From: DarkBastion@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] (OT) I feel sick that I'm even thinking this - --part1_e.128af278.28d2a0a3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/13/01 6:42:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, d.fentie@home.com writes: > You can talk about it now because it is after the facts and there hasn't > been anything surprisingly shocking or new in the entire situation. > > Now here's my question, if this would have happened the DAY before the > gamecube was slated to be released in North America what do you think > Nintendo would do? Release the system or not? Would sales be affected > greatly? > The day before? I dunno. They probably would have shipped to retailers by then. I think the stores would close and the launch would be unofficially suspended, but I think the units would all move eventually. ~Matt "You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you." - - Silent Bob - --part1_e.128af278.28d2a0a3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/13/01 6:42:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, d.fentie@home.com writes:


You can talk about it now because it is after the facts and there hasn't
been anything surprisingly shocking or new in the entire situation.

Now here's my question, if this would have happened the DAY before the
gamecube was slated to be released in North America what do you think
Nintendo would do?  Release the system or not?  Would sales be affected
greatly?


The day before? I dunno. They probably would have shipped to retailers by then. I think the stores would close and the launch would be unofficially suspended, but I think the units would all move eventually.


~Matt

"You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you."

- Silent Bob



- --part1_e.128af278.28d2a0a3_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 20:19:41 -0400 From: Wez Subject: Re: [NG] Resident evil 1,2,3,4 for Gamecube > > > Or even better, maybe Jaleco will release Carrier 2 or Galerians 2 on > Gamecube! That would rule. Wait, am I the only one actually liked > Carrier and Galerians? ~~ Dave ~~ Carrier was good... I played all the way through, which is rare, I never have time to play games. So that's gotta mean it's decent. Wez [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 22:18:33 -0600 From: Don Fentie Subject: Re: [NG] (OT) I feel sick that I'm even thinking this Who are you talking to Stryder???? Greg or me? Thraxen wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 4:19 PM > Subject: Re: [NG] (OT) I feel sick that I'm even thinking this > > > I just want a rule of thumb. > > Geeze....ok, whatever. You seem to have gone half crazy as of late. Maybe > you snapped after I posted all that XBOX stuff....because you have said some > dumbass things since then. > > Stryder > > > > > Don Fentie wrote: > > > > > > Well care about games being delayed right now if you want but I'm more > > > worried about the impact on the families, the dying people, the > > > suffering, the destruction and the possiblity of a war. > > > > > > I dunno maybe it's just me but my life and the lives of those around me > > > seems more important than videogames. > > > > > > Gregory A. Swarthout wrote: > > > > > > > > Dexter Sy wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Don Fentie wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Who cares if a few games are delayed. > > > > > > > > When would it be okay to care again about delayed games? Or is it > never? > > > > > > > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > > > > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > > > > > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > > > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > > > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 22:21:18 -0600 From: Don Fentie Subject: Re: [NG] Gord Oh man do we have to start this again? Ever heard of the battle of Vimmy Ridge? Or how about during the trench wars when Canadians held their lines by using the alkalyne in their urine on hankercheif's when gas was being deployed by the Germans and the Americans fled? Let's not get into this. My point is that Americans and Candians have completely different philosophies. We are protected by the USA which is why we do not require an extensive military. What is wrong with choosing to be peaceful? DarkBastion@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 9/13/01 11:19:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > d.fentie@home.com writes: > > > Interesting you should say that young Matt. Last I checked > > California > > was $400,000 USD in DEBT to British Columbia Canada for the > > rerouting of > > BC Hydro's Electricity... also all the americans will eventually > > realize > > they have no more clean water :) Thats when we Canadians cash in! > > Last time I checked CANADA was still America's BITCH! > > ~Matt > > "People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it's > safer to pick on rich women than bikers." [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 02:00:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Vi On Subject: [NG] Monkey ball After looking at all the monkey ball movies, it reminds me of sonic, since you have to run really fast in the game. Game looks fun for a multiplayer game. I'll probably get this game for my first launch title. Also the game advertises Dole for their banana brand. I don't see brand name products in games often. - -Vi [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 01:19:01 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] (OT) I feel sick that I'm even thinking this - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Fentie" To: Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:18 PM Subject: Re: [NG] (OT) I feel sick that I'm even thinking this > Who are you talking to Stryder???? Greg or me? Greg, of course... Stryder > > Thraxen wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 4:19 PM > > Subject: Re: [NG] (OT) I feel sick that I'm even thinking this > > > > > I just want a rule of thumb. > > > > Geeze....ok, whatever. You seem to have gone half crazy as of late. Maybe > > you snapped after I posted all that XBOX stuff....because you have said some > > dumbass things since then. > > > > Stryder > > > > > > > > Don Fentie wrote: > > > > > > > > Well care about games being delayed right now if you want but I'm more > > > > worried about the impact on the families, the dying people, the > > > > suffering, the destruction and the possiblity of a war. > > > > > > > > I dunno maybe it's just me but my life and the lives of those around me > > > > seems more important than videogames. > > > > > > > > Gregory A. Swarthout wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dexter Sy wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Don Fentie wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who cares if a few games are delayed. > > > > > > > > > > When would it be okay to care again about delayed games? Or is it > > never? > > > > > > > > > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > > > > > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to o@xmission.com ] > > > > > > > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > > > > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > > > > > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > > > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > > > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 08:18:21 -0400 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] Gord This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C13CF5.D0CF86C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Don Fentie=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [NG] Gord Oh man do we have to start this again? Ever heard of the battle of Vimmy Ridge? Or how about during the trench wars when Canadians held their lines by using the alkalyne in their urine on hankercheif's when gas was being deployed by the Germans and the Americans fled? Let's not get into this. My point is that Americans and Candians have completely different philosophies. We are protected by the USA which = is why we do not require an extensive military. What is wrong with choosing to be peaceful? - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- Nothing is wrong with it. Although Gord doesn't seem peaceful. How is = this related to Nintendo you urine sniffing weirdo? ;-) ~~ Dave ~~ Can we ease the pain of those who lost?=20 Can we know the cause of all this sorrow?=20 Can we catch the tears of a broken world?=20 Falling down apon the Earth, falling down... Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Sanrio Velocity - ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C13CF5.D0CF86C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Don = Fentie=20
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Friday, September 14, = 2001 12:21=20 AM
Subject: Re: [NG] Gord

Oh man do we have to start this again?  Ever heard = of the=20 battle of
Vimmy Ridge?  Or how about during the trench wars = when=20 Canadians held
their lines by using the alkalyne in their urine on=20 hankercheif's when
gas was being deployed by the Germans and the = Americans=20 fled?

Let's not get into this.  My point is that Americans = and=20 Candians have
completely different philosophies.  We are = protected by=20 the USA which is
why we do not require an extensive military.  = What is=20 wrong with
choosing to be peaceful?

 
Nothing is wrong with it. Although Gord = doesn't=20 seem peaceful. How is this related to Nintendo you urine sniffing = weirdo?=20 ;-)
 
~~ Dave ~~
 
Can we ease the pain of those who lost? =
Can we=20 know the cause of all this sorrow?
Can we catch the tears of a = broken world?=20
Falling down apon the Earth, falling down...
 
 Sanrio@velocity.net
 Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
&nbs= p;AIM:=20 Sanrio Velocity
 
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C13CF5.D0CF86C0-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 23:42:07 -0500 From: "Eric C" Subject: [NG] And I thought the "Mature Zelda" petition was funny... http://www.petitiononline.com/x07sp/petition.html This has to be the funniest thing I've ever seen. Nothing but fanboy idiots fighting it out. How can that be anything but hilarious? - -Satoshi _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 00:28:07 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] And I thought the "Mature Zelda" petition was funny... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric C" To: ; Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 11:42 PM Subject: [NG] And I thought the "Mature Zelda" petition was funny... > http://www.petitiononline.com/x07sp/petition.html > > This has to be the funniest thing I've ever seen. Nothing but fanboy idiots > fighting it out. How can that be anything but hilarious? > -Satoshi Ya, pretty sad...not like any company pays attention to those petitions anyway. Anyway, I got my October issue of Sound and Vision a few days ago and it has a little one page article about Pikmin in there. It's not like a real review or anything, just some woman gushing over the game. Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 14:10:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Vi On Subject: [NG] square and nintendo rumors Square might develop for nintendo again. Rumors are online saying square might hold a conference about it in a few days. http://www.nintendojo.com/ If it's true, i think the battle for the next console war might be over. - -Vi [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 14:54:52 -0400 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] square and nintendo rumors This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C13EBF.8AA920E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Vi On=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 2:10 PM Subject: [NG] square and nintendo rumors Square might develop for nintendo again. Rumors are online saying square might hold a conference about it in a few days. http://www.nintendojo.com/ If it's true, i think the battle for the next console war might be over. =20 -Vi - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- But there's still the matter of Final Fantasy X on the PS2 (and The = Bouncer & that Driving Emotion game) and that Final Fantasy XI has been = said to be a part of Sony's on-line plans. I'm willing to bet my beloved = copy of "Scorcher" for the SEGA Saturn that all this will amount to, if = anything is that we'll be seeing old Final Fantasy games on the Game Boy = Advance, and maybe a Final Fantasy Legends IV. Or possible an The = Bouncer 2 on Gamecube. ;-) ~~ Dave ~~ "I am the king of... no pants!." -- Penny Arcade http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=3D2001-06-06=20 Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Sanrio Velocity - ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C13EBF.8AA920E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Vi On
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Sunday, September 16, = 2001 2:10=20 PM
Subject: [NG] square and = nintendo=20 rumors


Square might develop for nintendo again.  = Rumors are=20 online saying
square might hold a conference about it in a few=20 days.

http://www.nintendojo.com/
If=20 it's true, i think the battle for the next console war might
be = over. =20

-Vi


 
But there's still the matter = of Final=20 Fantasy X on the PS2 (and The Bouncer & that Driving Emotion game) = and that=20 Final Fantasy XI has been said to be a part of Sony's on-line plans. I'm = willing=20 to bet my beloved copy of "Scorcher" for the SEGA Saturn that all this = will=20 amount to, if anything is that we'll be seeing old Final Fantasy games = on the=20 Game Boy Advance, and maybe a Final Fantasy Legends IV. Or possible an = The=20 Bouncer 2 on Gamecube. ;-)
 
~~ Dave ~~
 
"I am the king of... no = pants!." -- Penny=20 Arcade
 http://w= ww.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=3D2001-06-06=20
 Sanrio@velocity.net
 Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
&nbs= p;AIM:=20 Sanrio Velocity
- ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C13EBF.8AA920E0-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 17:36:58 -0500 From: "Eric C" Subject: Re: [NG] square and nintendo rumors >From: Vi On >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >Subject: [NG] square and nintendo rumors >Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 14:10:19 -0400 (EDT) > > >Square might develop for nintendo again. Rumors are online saying >square might hold a conference about it in a few days. > >http://www.nintendojo.com/ > >If it's true, i think the battle for the next console war might >be over. > >-Vi > > > Unless Sony keeps Final Fantasy. ;-) - -Satoshi _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 19:35:01 -0400 From: "geoff wuehrmann" Subject: Re: [NG] square and nintendo rumors >From: "Eric C" >> >> >>Square might develop for nintendo again. Rumors are online saying >>square might hold a conference about it in a few days. >> >>http://www.nintendojo.com/ >> >>If it's true, i think the battle for the next console war might >>be over. >> >>-Vi >> >> >> >Unless Sony keeps Final Fantasy. ;-) >-Satoshi I don't believe it. Nintendo wouldn't pay 25 million dolars just so Square would develpo for them. Kentop _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 22:29:44 EDT From: DarkBastion@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] square and nintendo rumors - --part1_55.1abbca53.28d6ba18_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/16/01 2:56:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sanrio@velocity.net writes: > But there's still the matter of Final Fantasy X on the PS2 (and The Bouncer & > that Driving Emotion game) and that Final Fantasy XI has been said to be a > part of Sony's on-line plans. I'm willing to bet my beloved copy of > "Scorcher" for the SEGA Saturn that all this will amount to, if anything is > that we'll be seeing old Final Fantasy games on the Game Boy Advance, and > maybe a Final Fantasy Legends IV. Or possible an The Bouncer 2 on Gamecube. > ;-) > > ~~ Dave ~~ > > "I am the king of... no pants!." -- Penny Arcade > http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2001-06-06 > Sanrio@velocity.net > Drhodes_74@hotmail.com > AIM: Sanrio Velocity > Don't bet that, Dave. Sell it. More money for Phish CDs. ~Matt "Reality continues to ruin my life." - - Calvin and Hobbes - --part1_55.1abbca53.28d6ba18_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/16/01 2:56:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sanrio@velocity.net writes:


But there's still the matter of Final Fantasy X on the PS2 (and The Bouncer & that Driving Emotion game) and that Final Fantasy XI has been said to be a part of Sony's on-line plans. I'm willing to bet my beloved copy of "Scorcher" for the SEGA Saturn that all this will amount to, if anything is that we'll be seeing old Final Fantasy games on the Game Boy Advance, and maybe a Final Fantasy Legends IV. Or possible an The Bouncer 2 on Gamecube. ;-)

~~ Dave ~~

"I am the king of... no pants!." -- Penny Arcade
http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2001-06-06
Sanrio@velocity.net
Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
AIM: Sanrio Velocity


Don't bet that, Dave. Sell it. More money for Phish CDs.


~Matt

"Reality continues to ruin my life."
      
- Calvin and Hobbes


- --part1_55.1abbca53.28d6ba18_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 11:28:25 +0200 From: "Michael Fickert" Subject: Re: [NG] square and nintendo rumors NGamers@lists.xmission.com schrieb am 16.09.01: > Square might develop for nintendo again. Rumors are online saying > square might hold a conference about it in a few days. > > http://www.nintendojo.com/ > > If it's true, i think the battle for the next console war might > be over. > > -Vi > > > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] that would be great. But on the other hand, see why PS2 is the best system :))) lol http://www.flarn.com/~evilkosh/mgo/article1-1.htm btw, can anybody confirm this metroid 'cheat' ? _Michael_ _______________________________________________________________________ 1.000.000 DM gewinnen - kostenlos tippen - http://millionenklick.web.de IhrName@web.de, 8MB Speicher, Verschluesselung - http://freemail.web.de [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ End of NGamers-digest V1 #1679 ****************************** [ To quit the NGamers-digest mailing list (big mistake), send the message ] [ "unsubscribe NGamers-digest" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ]