From: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com (NGamers-digest) To: ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: NGamers-digest V1 #1708 Reply-To: NGamers-digest Sender: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk NGamers-digest Sunday, November 4 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1708 Re: [NG] Re: [Game Related] Next Gen Ranks the systems and gamecube stuff Re: [NG] excited about Gamecube Re: [NG] excited about Gamecube Re: [NG] SEGA on Nintendo Re: [NG] SEGA on Nintendo Re: [NG] SEGA on Nintendo Re: [NG] Re: [Game Related] Next Gen Ranks the systems and gamecube stuff Re: [NG] Re: [Game Related] Next Gen Ranks the systems and gamecube stuff Re: [NG] SEGA on Nintendo Re: [NG] Re: [Game Related] Next Gen Ranks the systems and gamecube stuff ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 17:34:15 -0600 From: "Eric C" Subject: Re: [NG] Re: [Game Related] Next Gen Ranks the systems and gamecube stuff >From: "Sanrio Jones" >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: >Subject: Re: [NG] Re: [Game Related] Next Gen Ranks the systems and >gamecube stuff >Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 18:12:50 -0500 > > > > >I'm just saying that it seems they're making the same mistake (one of them >anyway) that they made with the Nintendo 64. In the long run it may hurt >them when there's not enough extra space on the DVD for streaming music. > >** Sanrio ** > Well, you have to think... at least it's not cart based. ;-) - -Satoshi _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 18:33:45 -0500 From: "Sanrio Jones" Subject: Re: [NG] excited about Gamecube This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C1655F.3C53ADE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Eric C=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [NG] Re: [Game Related] Next Gen Ranks the systems and = gamecube stuff >From: DarkBastion@aol.com >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [NG] Re: [Game Related] Next Gen Ranks the systems and=20 >gamecube stuff >Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 10:49:01 EST > > >You think you could tell the difference between the sound coming from = a=20 >sound >card are sound from nondedicated piece of hardware? It's all about = the >developer, man; d/l some Rogue Leader movies and tell me that shit = doesn't >kick ass. > >~Matt > Problem with that is that whenever I see something related to Rogue = Leader,=20 the drool causes my keyboard to malfunction, which is such a pain in = the=20 arse. ;-) Seriously, though, it is very cool. Plus, I've heard an = MP3 of=20 Fox's stage of Smash Bros. Melee. Holy s***, that sounds awesome! = Anyway,=20 two weeks til launch. Everyone excited, or just me and Matt? ;-) -Satoshi - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- It think it's you, Matt, Aaron, and that Kaonashi guy on the other list. = I'm way too busy with Grand Theft Auto 3 and Tony Hawk's Pro skater 3, = and to a lesser extent Silent Hill 2, to really care.=20 And then on 11/14 there's Metal Gear Solid 2 to have. Although I'd love = to be able to play Star Wars: Rogue Leader: Rogue Squadron 2 this year, = I really can't see it to be justifiable to buy a console for just one = game when that money could be spent on buying five games I do want for a = console I already have. None of the other Gamecube games that are coming = out this year look like anything I must have, with the exception of = THPS3, but I know I already have the better version. I mean, how are you = going to activate the "Revert" move? With the Z button? That would be = very uncomfortable and not to mention odd. And that tiny GBA sided = D-Pad, I couldn't imagine playing THPS3 with a Gamecube controller. I'm = sure it (the NGC controller) will be super fantastic for Zelda and = Mario, but for THPS3, I don't think so. So back to what I was saying, = I'll get a Gamecube when there's more than one game out that I want for = it, or when I have $300 lying around. ** Sanrio ** "I am the king of... no pants!." -- Penny Arcade http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=3D2001-06-06=20 Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Midnight Sanrio - ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C1655F.3C53ADE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Eric=20 C
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 = 12:32=20 PM
Subject: Re: [NG] Re: [Game = Related] Next=20 Gen Ranks the systems and gamecube stuff

>From: DarkBastion@aol.com
>Reply-= To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=
>To:=20 NGamers@lists.xmission.com=
>Subject:=20 Re: [NG] Re: [Game Related] Next Gen Ranks the systems and =
>gamecube=20 stuff
>Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 10:49:01 = EST
>
>
>You=20 think you could tell the difference between the sound coming from a=20
>sound
>card are sound from nondedicated piece of = hardware? It's=20 all about the
>developer, man; d/l some Rogue Leader movies and = tell me=20 that shit doesn't
>kick = ass.
>
>~Matt
>
Problem=20 with that is that whenever I see something related to Rogue Leader, =
the=20 drool causes my keyboard to malfunction, which is such a pain in the =
arse.=20 ;-)  Seriously, though, it is very cool.  Plus, I've heard = an MP3 of=20
Fox's stage of Smash Bros. Melee.  Holy s***, that sounds=20 awesome!  Anyway,
two weeks til launch.  Everyone = excited, or=20 just me and Matt? ;-)
-Satoshi

 
It think it's you, Matt, = Aaron, and that=20 Kaonashi guy on the other list. I'm way too busy with Grand Theft Auto 3 = and=20 Tony Hawk's Pro skater 3, and to a lesser extent Silent Hill 2, to = really care.=20
 
And then on 11/14 there's = Metal Gear=20 Solid 2 to have. Although I'd love to be able to play Star Wars: Rogue = Leader:=20 Rogue Squadron 2 this year, I really can't see it to be justifiable to = buy a=20 console for just one game when that money could be spent on buying five = games I=20 do want for a console I already have. None of the other Gamecube games = that are=20 coming out this year look like anything I must have, with the exception = of=20 THPS3, but I know I already have the better version. I mean, how are you = going=20 to activate the "Revert" move? With the Z button? That would be very=20 uncomfortable and not to mention odd. And that tiny GBA sided = D-Pad, I=20 couldn't imagine playing THPS3 with a Gamecube controller. I'm sure it = (the NGC=20 controller) will be super fantastic for Zelda and Mario, but for THPS3, = I don't=20 think so. So back to what I was saying, I'll get a Gamecube when there's = more=20 than one game out that I want for it, or when I have $300 lying=20 around.
 
** Sanrio **
 
"I am the king of... no = pants!." -- Penny=20 Arcade
 http://w= ww.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=3D2001-06-06=20
 Sanrio@velocity.net
 Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
&nbs= p;AIM:=20 Midnight Sanrio
- ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C1655F.3C53ADE0-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 17:42:10 -0600 From: "Eric C" Subject: Re: [NG] excited about Gamecube >From: "Sanrio Jones" >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: >Subject: Re: [NG] excited about Gamecube >Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 18:33:45 -0500 > > > > >It think it's you, Matt, Aaron, and that Kaonashi guy on the other list. >I'm way too busy with Grand Theft Auto 3 and Tony Hawk's Pro skater 3, and >to a lesser extent Silent Hill 2, to really care. > >And then on 11/14 there's Metal Gear Solid 2 to have. Although I'd love to >be able to play Star Wars: Rogue Leader: Rogue Squadron 2 this year, I >really can't see it to be justifiable to buy a console for just one game >when that money could be spent on buying five games I do want for a console >I already have. None of the other Gamecube games that are coming out this >year look like anything I must have, with the exception of THPS3, but I >know I already have the better version. I mean, how are you going to >activate the "Revert" move? With the Z button? That would be very >uncomfortable and not to mention odd. And that tiny GBA sided D-Pad, I >couldn't imagine playing THPS3 with a Gamecube controller. I'm sure it (the >NGC controller) will be super fantastic for Zelda and Mario, but for THPS3, >I don't think so. So back to what I was saying, I'll get a Gamecube when >there's more than one game out that I want for it, or when I have $300 >lying around. > >** Sanrio ** > What makes you say Aaron? He's getting XBox first, right? And, out of curiosity, you're not the least bit interested in Super Monkey Ball, Sega's first game on a Nintendo console? Well, whatever. ;-) GC in two weeks; me, 19, in 9 days. :-) - -Satoshi _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 18:52:18 -0500 From: "Sanrio Jones" Subject: Re: [NG] SEGA on Nintendo This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C16561.D3B3E5E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Eric C=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [NG] excited about Gamecube What makes you say Aaron? He's getting XBox first, right? And, out = of=20 curiosity, you're not the least bit interested in Super Monkey Ball, = Sega's=20 first game on a Nintendo console? Well, whatever. ;-) GC in two = weeks; me,=20 19, in 9 days. :-) -Satoshi - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- Aaron gets everything. That's why I said him.=20 Super Monkey Ball is far from being SEGA's first game on a Nintendo = system. My copies of After Burner and Shinobi for the NES disprove your = statement. ** Sanrio ** "I am the king of... no pants!." -- Penny Arcade http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=3D2001-06-06=20 Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Midnight Sanrio - ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C16561.D3B3E5E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Eric=20 C
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 = 6:42=20 PM
Subject: Re: [NG] excited about = Gamecube


What makes you say Aaron?  He's getting = XBox first,=20 right?  And, out of
curiosity, you're not the least bit = interested in=20 Super Monkey Ball, Sega's
first game on a Nintendo console?  = Well,=20 whatever. ;-)  GC in two weeks; me,
19, in 9 days.=20 :-)
-Satoshi

 
Aaron gets everything. That's = why I said=20 him.
 
Super Monkey Ball is far from = being=20 SEGA's first game on a Nintendo system. My copies of After Burner and = Shinobi=20 for the NES disprove your statement.
 
** Sanrio **
 
"I am the king of... no = pants!." -- Penny=20 Arcade
 http://w= ww.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=3D2001-06-06=20
 Sanrio@velocity.net
 Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
&nbs= p;AIM:=20 Midnight Sanrio
- ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C16561.D3B3E5E0-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 18:50:41 -0600 From: "Eric C" Subject: Re: [NG] SEGA on Nintendo >From: "Sanrio Jones" >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: >Subject: Re: [NG] SEGA on Nintendo >Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 18:52:18 -0500 > > > > >Aaron gets everything. That's why I said him. > >Super Monkey Ball is far from being SEGA's first game on a Nintendo system. >My copies of After Burner and Shinobi for the NES disprove your statement. > >** Sanrio ** > I stand corrected.... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 20:45:41 EST From: DarkBastion@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] SEGA on Nintendo - --part1_e6.1db92ebf.29174945_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/4/01 6:53:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, sanrio@velocity.net writes: > Aaron gets everything. That's why I said him. > > Super Monkey Ball is far from being SEGA's first game on a Nintendo system. > My copies of After Burner and Shinobi for the NES disprove your statement. > > ** Sanrio ** > > "I am the king of... no pants!." -- Penny Arcade > http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2001-06-06 > Sanrio@velocity.net > Drhodes_74@hotmail.com > AIM: Midnight Sanrio > And if he means recently, then we need look no further than Chu Chu Rocket Advance ... ~Matt "You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you." - - Silent Bob - --part1_e6.1db92ebf.29174945_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/4/01 6:53:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, sanrio@velocity.net writes:


Aaron gets everything. That's why I said him.

Super Monkey Ball is far from being SEGA's first game on a Nintendo system. My copies of After Burner and Shinobi for the NES disprove your statement.

** Sanrio **

"I am the king of... no pants!." -- Penny Arcade
http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2001-06-06
Sanrio@velocity.net
Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
AIM: Midnight Sanrio


And if he means recently, then we need look no further than Chu Chu Rocket Advance ...

~Matt

"You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you."

- - Silent Bob



 - --part1_e6.1db92ebf.29174945_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 19:55:36 -0600 From: Don Fentie Subject: Re: [NG] Re: [Game Related] Next Gen Ranks the systems and gamecube stuff - --------------12005F09BABE0A22E5705694 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do you know how big the discs are that Nintendo is using? 1.5GIGABYTES. So, lets see here. With a 3rd rate compression technology (and I say third rate because I know of much better compression files) mp3's are roughly 1MEGABYTE per minute for CD quality sound. Ok so lets all just assume here that for some unknown reason a game had 2 HOURS (and I doubt this would EVER happen) of pure streaming music for a game. Now that would undoubtedly be 120 minutes which equates to 120 megabytes. Ok now there are 1024 megabytes in a gigabyte roughly so that means that only 7.8% of the entire recording CD is used for this data... keeping in mind not the best compressed data either. 7.8% folks. that leaves about 1.38Gigabytes of data still used for the game. Wow that's basically NOTHING! I can't see how space should be a problem for sound... Sanrio Jones wrote: there's not enough extra space on the DVD for streaming music. > ** Sanrio ** - --------------12005F09BABE0A22E5705694 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do you know how big the discs are that Nintendo is using?  1.5GIGABYTES.  So, lets see here.  With a 3rd rate compression technology (and I say third rate because I know of much better compression files) mp3's are roughly 1MEGABYTE per minute for CD quality sound.  Ok so lets all just assume here that for some unknown reason a game had 2 HOURS (and I doubt this would EVER happen) of pure streaming music for a game.  Now that would undoubtedly be 120 minutes which equates to 120 megabytes.  Ok now there are 1024 megabytes in a gigabyte roughly so that means that only 7.8% of the entire recording CD is used for this data... keeping in mind not the best compressed data either.  7.8% folks.  that leaves about 1.38Gigabytes of data still used for the game.  Wow that's basically NOTHING!  I can't see how space should be a problem for sound...

Sanrio Jones wrote:
there's not enough extra space on the DVD for streaming music.

 ** Sanrio **
- --------------12005F09BABE0A22E5705694-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 20:58:59 EST From: DarkBastion@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Re: [Game Related] Next Gen Ranks the systems and gamecube stuff - --part1_f2.117433c4.29174c63_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/4/01 8:56:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, d.fentie@home.com writes: > Do you know how big the discs are that Nintendo is using? 1.5GIGABYTES. > So, lets see here. With a 3rd rate compression technology (and I say third > rate because I know of much better compression files) mp3's are roughly > 1MEGABYTE per minute for CD quality sound. Ok so lets all just assume here > that for some unknown reason a game had 2 HOURS (and I doubt this would > EVER happen) of pure streaming music for a game. Now that would > undoubtedly be 120 minutes which equates to 120 megabytes. Ok now there > are 1024 megabytes in a gigabyte roughly so that means that only 7.8% of > the entire recording CD is used for this data... keeping in mind not the > best compressed data either. 7.8% folks. that leaves about 1.38Gigabytes > of data still used for the game. Wow that's basically NOTHING! I can't > see how space should be a problem for sound... Sanrio Jones wrote: > there's not enough extra space on the DVD for streaming music. > >> ** Sanrio ** > And on top of that, they're discs! They're so God damn cheap to produce it's ridiculous! "Oh, we need 30+ hours of music!" Fine! Make it a 2 disc game and add $1 to the production costs! ~Matt "I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds." - - J. Robert Oppenheimer, quoting Hinduism's Behagavad Gita, on July 16, 1945, after the first successful detonation of an atomic bomb in Trinity, New Mexico. - --part1_f2.117433c4.29174c63_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/4/01 8:56:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, d.fentie@home.com writes:


Do you know how big the discs are that Nintendo is using?  1.5GIGABYTES.  So, lets see here.  With a 3rd rate compression technology (and I say third rate because I know of much better compression files) mp3's are roughly 1MEGABYTE per minute for CD quality sound.  Ok so lets all just assume here that for some unknown reason a game had 2 HOURS (and I doubt this would EVER happen) of pure streaming music for a game.  Now that would undoubtedly be 120 minutes which equates to 120 megabytes.  Ok now there are 1024 megabytes in a gigabyte roughly so that means that only 7.8% of the entire recording CD is used for this data... keeping in mind not the best compressed data either.  7.8% folks.  that leaves about 1.38Gigabytes of data still used for the game.  Wow that's basically NOTHING!  I can't see how space should be a problem for sound... Sanrio Jones wrote:
there's not enough extra space on the DVD for streaming music.
** Sanrio **



And on top of that, they're discs! They're so God damn cheap to produce it's ridiculous! "Oh, we need 30+ hours of music!" Fine! Make it a 2 disc game and add $1 to the production costs!

~Matt

"I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."
      
- - J. Robert Oppenheimer, quoting Hinduism's Behagavad Gita, on July 16, 1945, after the first successful detonation of an atomic bomb in Trinity, New Mexico. - --part1_f2.117433c4.29174c63_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 20:34:51 -0600 From: "Eric C" Subject: Re: [NG] SEGA on Nintendo >From: DarkBastion@aol.com >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [NG] SEGA on Nintendo >Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 20:45:41 EST > >In a message dated 11/4/01 6:53:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, >sanrio@velocity.net writes: > > > > Aaron gets everything. That's why I said him. > > > > Super Monkey Ball is far from being SEGA's first game on a Nintendo >system. > > My copies of After Burner and Shinobi for the NES disprove your >statement. > > > > ** Sanrio ** > > > > "I am the king of... no pants!." -- Penny Arcade > > HREF="http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2001-06-06">http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2001-06-06 > > Sanrio@velocity.net > > Drhodes_74@hotmail.com > > AIM: Midnight Sanrio > > > >And if he means recently, then we need look no further than Chu Chu Rocket >Advance ... > >~Matt > In that respect, I did say "console." - -Satoshi _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 20:44:15 -0600 From: "Eric C" Subject: Re: [NG] Re: [Game Related] Next Gen Ranks the systems and gamecube stuff >From: DarkBastion@aol.com >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [NG] Re: [Game Related] Next Gen Ranks the systems and >gamecube stuff >Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 20:58:59 EST > > >And on top of that, they're discs! They're so God damn cheap to produce >it's >ridiculous! "Oh, we need 30+ hours of music!" Fine! Make it a 2 disc game >and >add $1 to the production costs! > >~Matt > Please say this means that this list is being resurrected at last. I miss you guys... well, at least the ones not on Jed's list. - -Satoshi _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ End of NGamers-digest V1 #1708 ****************************** [ To quit the NGamers-digest mailing list (big mistake), send the message ] [ "unsubscribe NGamers-digest" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ]