From: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com (NGamers-digest) To: ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: NGamers-digest V1 #1737 Reply-To: NGamers-digest Sender: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk NGamers-digest Wednesday, November 21 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1737 Re: [NG] HD Re: [NG] HD Re: [NG] The situation as it is Re: [NG] 200,000 more gamecubes in USA Re: [NG] modems Re: [NG] The situation as it is Re: [NG] The situation as it is Re: [NG] HD Re: [NG] Can viruses be sent to Xbox via online connection Re: [NG] Can viruses be sent to Xbox via online connection Re: [NG] 200,000 more gamecubes in USA Re: [NG] 200,000 more gamecubes in USA Re: [NG] The situation as it is ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:55:34 -0600 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] HD This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C172C6.7B52CE80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I call that copying. Just borrow a friend's CD and copy onto the XBOX's = hard drive and you have his music. So its okay to copy other copyrighted = stuff while Microsoft won't allow you to copy XBOX games?=20 - -Jed >>>>>> Jed, of course people are going to pirate music to the HD....that can't = be helped. The same argument could be made against PCs or VCRs as well. = =20 Stryder - ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C172C6.7B52CE80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I call that copying. Just borrow a friend's CD and = copy onto=20 the XBOX's hard drive and you have his music. So its okay to copy other=20 copyrighted stuff while Microsoft won't allow you to copy XBOX games?=20

-Jed >>>>>>

Jed, of=20 course people are going to pirate music to the HD....that can't be = helped. =20 The same argument could be made against PCs or VCRs as well. =20

Stryder

- ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C172C6.7B52CE80-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 21:04:32 EST From: Jedcross2@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] HD - --part1_14c.46dd403.292db730_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/21/01 5:01:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, mfickert@web.de writes: > If one block is about the same like in the Playstation Memory Cards, then 15 > blocks will be 1MB > and 50,000 blocks gonna be roundabout 3, 3 GB. > This is pretty much, nearly as much as a full DVD. But If I remember > correctly the space of the HD schould be a little > higher, shouldn't it? > > Still two days until Silent Hill will arrive.. @Sanrio: What level of > difficulty would you > suggest to choose ?( action & puzzle level) > > _MiC_ > > Well, I heard the XBOX hard drive was 10 GB... - -Jed ______________________________________________________________ Q: Why are there bugs in most computers? A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat. - --part1_14c.46dd403.292db730_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/21/01 5:01:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, mfickert@web.de writes:

If one block is about the same like in the Playstation Memory Cards, then 15 blocks will be 1MB
and 50,000 blocks gonna be roundabout 3, 3 GB.
This is pretty much, nearly as much as a full DVD. But If I remember correctly the space of the HD schould be a little
higher, shouldn't it?

Still two days until Silent Hill will arrive.. @Sanrio: What level of difficulty would you
suggest to choose ?( action & puzzle level)

_MiC_

Well, I heard the XBOX hard drive was 10 GB...

-Jed
______________________________________________________________
Q: Why are there bugs in most computers?

A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat.

- --part1_14c.46dd403.292db730_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 21:04:36 EST From: Jedcross2@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] The situation as it is - --part1_9e.1dbcb004.292db734_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/21/01 10:28:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, rlsharer@yahoo.com writes: > Well, Jed, this could possibly be where Nintendo is headed (or may be > headed). A modem and a hard drive coupled together opens the door for > tampering by the Bad Guys, no matter which system it is. But I'm sure > that if you knew talking about this was on-topic, you probably would've > dropped out of the conversation a while ago. :) > > RS And I'm sure that if we were all anti-Microsoft, you would have dropped out a while ago too... - -Jed ______________________________________________________________ Q: Why are there bugs in most computers? A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat. - --part1_9e.1dbcb004.292db734_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/21/01 10:28:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, rlsharer@yahoo.com writes:

Well, Jed, this could possibly be where Nintendo is headed (or may be
headed). A modem and a hard drive coupled together opens the door for
tampering by the Bad Guys, no matter which system it is. But I'm sure
that if you knew talking about this was on-topic, you probably would've
dropped out of the conversation a while ago. :)

RS

And I'm sure that if we were all anti-Microsoft, you would have dropped out a while ago too...

-Jed
______________________________________________________________
Q: Why are there bugs in most computers?

A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat.

- --part1_9e.1dbcb004.292db734_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 21:04:33 EST From: Jedcross2@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] 200,000 more gamecubes in USA - --part1_a5.1ecb5483.292db731_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/21/01 11:13:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, vi@cs.bu.edu writes: > > Nintendo to ship 200,000 more gamecubes by this christmas > > http://library.northernlight.com/FA20011121840000145.html?cb=0&dx=1006& > sc=0#doc > > woah, more gamecubes for everyone > > > -Vi For Jed...no. - -Jed ______________________________________________________________ Q: Why are there bugs in most computers? A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat. - --part1_a5.1ecb5483.292db731_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/21/01 11:13:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, vi@cs.bu.edu writes:

Nintendo to ship 200,000 more gamecubes by this christmas

http://library.northernlight.com/FA20011121840000145.html?cb=0&dx=1006&sc=0#doc

woah, more gamecubes for everyone

-Vi

For Jed...no.

-Jed
______________________________________________________________
Q: Why are there bugs in most computers?

A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat.

- --part1_a5.1ecb5483.292db731_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 21:04:39 EST From: Jedcross2@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] modems - --part1_112.812c683.292db737_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/21/01 12:32:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, sanrio@velocity.net writes: > But what about just a modem? > > I mean the Dreamcast has a modem and I was never 'hacked.' > > ** Sanrio ** > The Dreamcast also has a hard drive. Not big enough for anything though except for its boot files... - -Jed ______________________________________________________________ Q: Why are there bugs in most computers? A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat. - --part1_112.812c683.292db737_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/21/01 12:32:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, sanrio@velocity.net writes:

But what about just a modem?

I mean the Dreamcast has a modem and I was never 'hacked.'

** Sanrio **

The Dreamcast also has a hard drive. Not big enough for anything though except for its boot files...

-Jed
______________________________________________________________
Q: Why are there bugs in most computers?

A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat.

- --part1_112.812c683.292db737_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 21:04:38 EST From: Jedcross2@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] The situation as it is - --part1_14b.46d6108.292db736_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/21/01 10:33:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, rlsharer@yahoo.com writes: > > Thanks for your virus history, but the world doesn't revolve around just > you. > Look at the virus history of the internet, and you'll see the potential for > hacking and abuse. Whichever Game System uses both a modem and a hard > drive, > they need to make sure there are security measures to prevent such > abuse...and > even then someone always finds a way around it. > > RS > They find a way around computer operating systems, not gaming systems. There is a difference. - -Jed ______________________________________________________________ Q: Why are there bugs in most computers? A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat. - --part1_14b.46d6108.292db736_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/21/01 10:33:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, rlsharer@yahoo.com writes:

Thanks for your virus history, but the world doesn't revolve around just you.
Look at the virus history of the internet, and you'll see the potential for
hacking and abuse. Whichever Game System uses both a modem and a hard drive,
they need to make sure there are security measures to prevent such abuse...and
even then someone always finds a way around it.

RS

They find a way around computer operating systems, not gaming systems. There is a difference.

-Jed
______________________________________________________________
Q: Why are there bugs in most computers?

A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat.

- --part1_14b.46d6108.292db736_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 21:04:35 EST From: Jedcross2@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] The situation as it is - --part1_10c.8d97b89.292db733_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/21/01 10:25:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, rlsharer@yahoo.com writes: > Jedcross2@aol.com wrote: > > > No need to ask him, it's Rick... > > -Jed > > Good grief, Jed...this coming from perhaps the most babbling, offtopic, > immature poster in gaming history? > > Heh, I'm flattered. :) > > RS I'm glad you are Rick, I'm glad you are... And no, come to Game Related and look at Damien and Steve fight to see immaturity. I thikn Damien is on this list now... - -Jed ______________________________________________________________ Q: Why are there bugs in most computers? A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat. - --part1_10c.8d97b89.292db733_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/21/01 10:25:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, rlsharer@yahoo.com writes:

Jedcross2@aol.com wrote:

> No need to ask him, it's Rick...
> -Jed

Good grief, Jed...this coming from perhaps the most babbling, offtopic,
immature poster in gaming history?

Heh, I'm flattered. :)

RS

I'm glad you are Rick, I'm glad you are...
And no, come to Game Related and look at Damien and Steve fight to see immaturity. I thikn Damien is on this list now...

-Jed
______________________________________________________________
Q: Why are there bugs in most computers?

A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat.

- --part1_10c.8d97b89.292db733_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 21:04:41 EST From: Jedcross2@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] HD - --part1_66.17bd7788.292db739_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/21/01 12:34:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, sanrio@velocity.net writes: > I never had a hard drive crash, just programs on the hard drive that > crashed. What's a hard drive crash like? > > ** Sanrio ** > I'd imagine that every program just ceases to work, and then you'll require the disk to be completely cleaned out. - -Jed I hate cluttered hard drives. ______________________________________________________________ Q: Why are there bugs in most computers? A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat. - --part1_66.17bd7788.292db739_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/21/01 12:34:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, sanrio@velocity.net writes:

I never had a hard drive crash, just programs on the hard drive that crashed. What's a hard drive crash like?

** Sanrio **

I'd imagine that every program just ceases to work, and then you'll require the disk to be completely cleaned out.

-Jed
I hate cluttered hard drives.
______________________________________________________________
Q: Why are there bugs in most computers?

A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat.

- --part1_66.17bd7788.292db739_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 21:04:42 EST From: Jedcross2@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Can viruses be sent to Xbox via online connection - --part1_12c.7f94a87.292db73a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/21/01 3:06:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, mccoyjr@Glue.umd.edu writes: > > > In a year or so the online network for Xbox should be up and > running. Will it be just like a computer in that you can download things > to your harddrive like a newspaper article or something like that? > > > What about viruses? > > > There's also another case. Will the servers be run on XBOXes or computers? - -Jed ______________________________________________________________ Q: Why are there bugs in most computers? A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat. - --part1_12c.7f94a87.292db73a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/21/01 3:06:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, mccoyjr@Glue.umd.edu writes:

In a year or so the online network for Xbox should be up and
running. Will it be just like a computer in that you can download things
to your harddrive like a newspaper article or something like that?

What about viruses?

lloyd

There's also another case. Will the servers be run on XBOXes or computers?

-Jed
______________________________________________________________
Q: Why are there bugs in most computers?

A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat.

- --part1_12c.7f94a87.292db73a_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 21:04:44 EST From: Jedcross2@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Can viruses be sent to Xbox via online connection - --part1_78.1e1f3604.292db73c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/21/01 3:18:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, sanrio@velocity.net writes: > Normal internet browsing, as Microsoft has been saying, is something you do > on a computer (with Windows XP, no doubt) and not something you will be > able to do on the X-Box, hence, no keyboard. > > ** Sanrio ** > What do you mean with Windows XP no doubt - -Jed ______________________________________________________________ Q: Why are there bugs in most computers? A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat. - --part1_78.1e1f3604.292db73c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/21/01 3:18:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, sanrio@velocity.net writes:

Normal internet browsing, as Microsoft has been saying, is something you do on a computer (with Windows XP, no doubt) and not something you will be able to do on the X-Box, hence, no keyboard.

** Sanrio **

What do you mean with Windows XP no doubt

-Jed
______________________________________________________________
Q: Why are there bugs in most computers?

A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat.

- --part1_78.1e1f3604.292db73c_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 20:15:26 -0600 From: Rick Sharer Subject: Re: [NG] 200,000 more gamecubes in USA Jedcross2@aol.com wrote:

woah, more gamecubes for everyone

-Vi
For Jed...no.

Story Filed: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 5:10 AM EST

REDMOND, Wash., Nov 20, 2001 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Nintendo of America today announced it will increase North American shipments of the new NINTENDO GAMECUBE(TM) video game console by 200,000 hardware units before year-end.

The announcement boosts total North American shipments for 2001 to 1.3 million from the previously announced 1.1 million.

The move comes in response to overwhelming launch day demand for NINTENDO GAMECUBE on Nov. 18, where it instantly became America's fastest-selling new video game hardware system.

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Wow. Faster than XBOX? :)

RS
_________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 21:16:40 EST From: Jedcross2@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] 200,000 more gamecubes in USA - --part1_80.136d35e6.292dba08_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/21/01 9:13:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, rlsharer@yahoo.com writes: > The move comes in response to overwhelming launch day demand for NINTENDO > GAMECUBE on Nov. 18, where it instantly became America's fastest-selling > new video game hardware system. - -------------------------------- Wow. Faster than XBOX? :) RS > > XBOX is still ahead though... - -Jed ______________________________________________________________ Q: Why are there bugs in most computers? A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat. - --part1_80.136d35e6.292dba08_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/21/01 9:13:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, rlsharer@yahoo.com writes:

The move comes in response to overwhelming launch day demand for NINTENDO GAMECUBE on Nov. 18, where it instantly became America's fastest-selling new video game hardware system.

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Wow. Faster than XBOX? :)

RS

XBOX is still ahead though...

-Jed

______________________________________________________________
Q: Why are there bugs in most computers?

A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat.

- --part1_80.136d35e6.292dba08_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:53:29 -0600 From: Don Fentie Subject: Re: [NG] The situation as it is Also a virus on a game consoul is nothing compared to one on a PC. I mean I have assignments that are more important to me than videogames right now simply because of how much they are weighted in my university courses and thousands of dollars of saved software and such. If I lose that, it's gone for good and PC's are a lot more expensive to maintain and much more frustrating to reformat. Now if for some unknown and almost impossible reason all my data was lost on my consoul, big deal. I may have to play some game over or something but I definately wouldn't cry about like I would with the PC senario. Thraxen wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Sharer" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 9:33 AM > Subject: Re: [NG] The situation as it is > > > Thraxen wrote: > > > > > How is a virus going to do anything? The XBOX doesn't boot up off the > HD > > > like a PC does nor does it install any games. > > > > Surely you aren't naive enough to think that it couldn't be done! > > Didn't say that....just don't see how it would be done. > > > Thanks for your virus history, but the world doesn't revolve around just > you. > > Look at the virus history of the internet, and you'll see the potential > for > > hacking and abuse. > > Just pointing out the lack of problems I have had...and with just a simple > common sense I've been able to avoid all major viruses....and that is with > tons of online time and a broadband connection. > > > Whichever Game System uses both a modem and a hard drive, > > they need to make sure there are security measures to prevent such > abuse...and > > even then someone always finds a way around it. > > But your completely ignoring my main points. There is NO OS to hack nor any > game code. I never said nothing could happen, just failt to see the > potenial problem. Like I said, I've had no problems avoiding viruses on > PCs, and it should far and away easier to avoid on a console. > > Stryder > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ End of NGamers-digest V1 #1737 ****************************** [ To quit the NGamers-digest mailing list (big mistake), send the message ] [ "unsubscribe NGamers-digest" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ]