From: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com (NGamers-digest) To: ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: NGamers-digest V1 #1739 Reply-To: NGamers-digest Sender: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk NGamers-digest Thursday, November 22 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1739 Re: [NG] My Gamecube crashed...also one other thing Re: [NG] My Gamecube crashed...also one other thing Re: [NG] The situation as it is Re: [NG] The situation as it is Re: [NG] system saves Re: [NG] Can viruses be sent to Xbox via online connection Re: [NG] Can viruses be sent to Xbox via online connection Re: [NG] The situation as it is Re: [NG] The situation as it is Re: [NG] add-ons ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 01:46:01 -0600 From: Rick Sharer Subject: Re: [NG] My Gamecube crashed...also one other thing Thraxen wrote: > So what do you think about all this, Rick? Aren't you the one that predicted > all sorts of game crashes on the XBOX? Yet judging from the posts I'm > seeing on message boards, GC games seem to be crashing more than XBOX > games. Only a fool would make a judgment based on message boards. :) At any rate, the only GC problem I've seen or heard about is none. Barring your little status report, of course. RS _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 01:51:24 -0600 From: Rick Sharer Subject: Re: [NG] My Gamecube crashed...also one other thing Jedcross2@aol.com wrote: > Sounds like GameCube isn't as good as it was hyped up to be... Or maybe it's you that doesn't measure up to the hype... Well, either GameCube or Mr. J is completely worthless, that's for sure. Heh. RS _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 01:54:20 -0600 From: Rick Sharer Subject: Re: [NG] The situation as it is Jedcross2@aol.com wrote: > And I'm sure that if we were all anti-Microsoft, you would have > dropped out a while ago too... Eh....um....nevermind. :) RS _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 01:55:11 -0600 From: Rick Sharer Subject: Re: [NG] The situation as it is Jedcross2@aol.com wrote: > They find a way around computer operating systems, not gaming systems. > There is a difference. Are you saying that it cannot be hacked? RS _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:35:50 -0500 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] system saves This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C17330.B0A65600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jedcross2@aol.com=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [NG] modems In a message dated 11/21/01 12:32:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, = sanrio@velocity.net writes:=20 But what about just a modem?=20 I mean the Dreamcast has a modem and I was never 'hacked.'=20 ** Sanrio **=20 The Dreamcast also has a hard drive. Not big enough for anything = though except for its boot files...=20 -Jed=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- No it doesn't. Saves all that data to a EEPROM chip. There's isn't much = to save anyway, just the internal clock, the boot settings, and the = Internet Account information. The Saturn had sort of the same system, = but it was saved to a battery, but those batteries die after about two = years, and you could save your games to the Saturn's battery, but when = the battery dies, your saves go with it. Good thing I have a Saturn = Gameshark that I backed up all my saves on. I would have been pissed to = lose my NiGHTS or Panzer Dragoon Saga saves. The PS2 saves it to a = Memory Card, which I think is dumb, I mean what about on down the road = when I have more than one Memory Card? Like a certain card for fighters = and a card for racers, will I have to have my system save file on each = card? I like the Dreamcast better in that respect for the internal save, = but the XBOX has it the nicest with the Hard Drive, if you ask me. Does the Gamecube have a systems setting save? I mean does it have a an = internal clock or stuff? Does it save to the hardware like the = Dreamcast, a battery like the Saturn, or a Memory Card like the PS2, or = does it have nothing to save like the PSX and N64? ** Sanrio ** "I am the king of... no pants!." -- Penny Arcade http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=3D2001-06-06=20 Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Midnight Sanrio - ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C17330.B0A65600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jedcross2@aol.com
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, = 2001 9:04=20 PM
Subject: Re: [NG] modems

In a message dated 11/21/01 12:32:27 PM Eastern = Standard=20 Time, sanrio@velocity.net = writes:=20


But what about just a modem?

I mean the = Dreamcast has a=20 modem and I was never 'hacked.'

** Sanrio **=20


The Dreamcast also has a hard drive. Not big = enough for=20 anything though except for its boot files...

-Jed
 
No it doesn't. Saves all that = data to a=20 EEPROM chip. There's isn't much to save anyway, just the internal clock, = the=20 boot settings, and the Internet Account information. The Saturn had sort = of the=20 same system, but it was saved to a battery, but those batteries die = after about=20 two years, and you could save your games to the Saturn's battery, but = when the=20 battery dies, your saves go with it. Good thing I have a Saturn = Gameshark that I=20 backed up all my saves on. I would have been pissed to lose my NiGHTS or = Panzer=20 Dragoon Saga saves. The PS2 saves it to a Memory Card, which I think is = dumb, I=20 mean what about on down the road when I have more than one Memory Card? = Like a=20 certain card for fighters and a card for racers, will I have to have my = system=20 save file on each card? I like the Dreamcast better in that respect for = the=20 internal save, but the XBOX has it the nicest with the Hard Drive, if = you ask=20 me.
 
Does the Gamecube have a = systems setting=20 save? I mean does it have a an internal clock or stuff? Does it save to = the=20 hardware like the Dreamcast, a battery like the Saturn, or a Memory Card = like=20 the PS2, or does it have nothing to save like the PSX and = N64?
 
** Sanrio **
 
"I am the king of... no = pants!." -- Penny=20 Arcade
 http://w= ww.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=3D2001-06-06=20
 Sanrio@velocity.net
 Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
&nbs= p;AIM:=20 Midnight Sanrio
 
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C17330.B0A65600-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:41:30 -0500 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] Can viruses be sent to Xbox via online connection This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C17331.7BC0A8E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jedcross2@aol.com=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [NG] Can viruses be sent to Xbox via online connection In a message dated 11/21/01 3:06:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, = mccoyjr@Glue.umd.edu writes:=20 In a year or so the online network for Xbox should be up and=20 running. Will it be just like a computer in that you can download = things=20 to your harddrive like a newspaper article or something like that?=20 What about viruses?=20 lloyd There's also another case. Will the servers be run on XBOXes or = computers?=20 -Jed=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- I hope that the online XBOX games will run like games on a PC, since it = will be broadband and all that speed, so there's no need for central = servers like with the Dreamcast and PS2, thus cutting out a need to = subscribe to such services, like SEGA's new $10 a month to play dead = games on a dead system online. I don't know what Sony is planning, but = at least THPS3 is free for now. But knowing Microsoft, they'll probably = have some central server for games and charge some sort of fee. I mean = if SEGA can get away with their $15 for three months of PSO Version 2 = plus the $10 a month for every other online game except PSO, and all = that on a dead system, I'm sure Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft will = decide to charge something. I just hope that the Sony/AOL deal is all = smoke and mirrors.=20 ** Sanrio ** "Microsoft Windows 9X'. A thirty-two bit extension and graphical shell = to a sixteen-bit patch to an eight-bit operating system originally coded = for a four-bit microprocessor which was written by a two-bit company = that can't stand one bit of competition."=20 Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Midnight Sanrio - ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C17331.7BC0A8E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jedcross2@aol.com
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, = 2001 9:04=20 PM
Subject: Re: [NG] Can viruses = be sent to=20 Xbox via online connection

In a message dated 11/21/01 3:06:52 PM Eastern = Standard=20 Time, mccoyjr@Glue.umd.edu = writes:=20




 In a year or so the online network for = Xbox should=20 be up and
running.  Will it be just like a computer in that = you can=20 download things
to your harddrive like a newspaper article or = something=20 like that?


What about viruses?=20


lloyd


There's also another case. = Will the=20 servers be run on XBOXes or computers?

-Jed
 
I hope that the online XBOX = games will=20 run like games on a PC, since it will be broadband and all that speed, = so=20 there's no need for central servers like with the Dreamcast and PS2, = thus=20 cutting out a need to subscribe to such services, like SEGA's new $10 a = month to=20 play dead games on a dead system online. I don't know what Sony is = planning, but=20 at least THPS3 is free for now. But knowing Microsoft, they'll probably = have=20 some central server for games and charge some sort of fee. I mean if = SEGA can=20 get away with their $15 for three months of PSO Version 2 plus the $10 a = month=20 for every other online game except PSO, and all that on a dead system, = I'm sure=20 Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft will decide to charge something. I just = hope that=20 the Sony/AOL deal is all smoke and mirrors.
 
** Sanrio **
 
 "Microsoft Windows 9X'. = A=20 thirty-two bit extension and graphical shell to a sixteen-bit patch to = an=20 eight-bit operating system originally coded for a four-bit = microprocessor which=20 was written by a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of = competition."=20
 Sanrio@velocity.net
 Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
&nbs= p;AIM:=20 Midnight Sanrio
- ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C17331.7BC0A8E0-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:43:57 -0500 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] Can viruses be sent to Xbox via online connection This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C17331.D2DEE7E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jedcross2@aol.com=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [NG] Can viruses be sent to Xbox via online connection In a message dated 11/21/01 3:18:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, = sanrio@velocity.net writes:=20 Normal internet browsing, as Microsoft has been saying, is something = you do on a computer (with Windows XP, no doubt) and not something you = will be able to do on the X-Box, hence, no keyboard.=20 ** Sanrio **=20 What do you mean with Windows XP no doubt=20 -Jed=20 ______________________________________________________________=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- I mean if you asked Microsoft if you could browse the web with an XBOX, = that they'd say no, but then throw a pitch on how wonderful it is to = surf the web on MSN using Windows XP.=20 Just saying MS will try to sell you their new thing at any opportunity. = No different than any other for-profit company. ** Sanrio ** "Microsoft Windows 9X'. A thirty-two bit extension and graphical shell = to a sixteen-bit patch to an eight-bit operating system originally coded = for a four-bit microprocessor which was written by a two-bit company = that can't stand one bit of competition."=20 Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Midnight Sanrio - ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C17331.D2DEE7E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jedcross2@aol.com
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, = 2001 9:04=20 PM
Subject: Re: [NG] Can viruses = be sent to=20 Xbox via online connection

In a message dated 11/21/01 3:18:57 PM Eastern = Standard=20 Time, sanrio@velocity.net = writes:=20


Normal internet browsing, as Microsoft has been saying, = is=20 something you do on a computer (with Windows XP, no doubt) and not = something=20 you will be able to do on the X-Box, hence, no keyboard.

** = Sanrio=20 **



What do you mean with Windows XP no doubt =

-Jed=20
______________________________________________________________ =
 
I mean if you asked Microsoft = if you=20 could browse the web with an XBOX, that they'd say no, but then throw a = pitch on=20 how wonderful it is to surf the web on MSN using Windows XP. =
 
Just saying MS will try to = sell you their=20 new thing at any opportunity. No different than any other for-profit=20 company.
 
** Sanrio **
 
 "Microsoft Windows 9X'. = A=20 thirty-two bit extension and graphical shell to a sixteen-bit patch to = an=20 eight-bit operating system originally coded for a four-bit = microprocessor which=20 was written by a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of = competition."=20
 Sanrio@velocity.net
 Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
&nbs= p;AIM:=20 Midnight Sanrio
- ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C17331.D2DEE7E0-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:47:32 -0500 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] The situation as it is This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C17332.53130900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Don Fentie=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [NG] The situation as it is Also a virus on a game consoul is nothing compared to one on a PC. I = mean I have assignments that are more important to me than videogames right = now simply because of how much they are weighted in my university courses and = thousands of dollars of saved software and such. If I lose that, it's gone for = good and PC's are a lot more expensive to maintain and much more frustrating to = reformat. Now if for some unknown and almost impossible reason all my data was lost = on my consoul, big deal. I may have to play some game over or something but = I definately wouldn't cry about like I would with the PC senario. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- But a virus on a PC isn't a big deal, really, if you make backups of = your main software and save all your stuff on CDs or Zip Discs instead = of relying on the Hard Drive. Unless it's a virus that affects the BIOS, = then I dunno. ** Sanrio ** "Microsoft Windows 9X'. A thirty-two bit extension and graphical shell = to a sixteen-bit patch to an eight-bit operating system originally coded = for a four-bit microprocessor which was written by a two-bit company = that can't stand one bit of competition."=20 Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Midnight Sanrio - ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C17332.53130900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Don = Fentie
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, = 2001 8:53=20 PM
Subject: Re: [NG] The situation = as it=20 is

Also a virus on a game consoul is nothing compared to = one on a=20 PC.  I mean I
have assignments that are more important to me = than=20 videogames right now simply
because of how much they are weighted = in my=20 university courses and thousands of
dollars of saved software and=20 such.  If I lose that, it's gone for good and PC's
are a lot = more=20 expensive to maintain and much more frustrating to reformat.  = Now
if=20 for some unknown and almost impossible reason all my data was lost on=20 my
consoul, big deal.  I may have to play some game over or = something=20 but I
definately wouldn't cry about like I would with the PC=20 senario.

 
But a virus on a PC isn't a = big deal,=20 really, if you make backups of your main software and save all your = stuff on CDs=20 or Zip Discs instead of relying on the Hard Drive. Unless it's a virus = that=20 affects the BIOS, then I dunno.
 
** Sanrio **
 
 "Microsoft Windows 9X'. = A=20 thirty-two bit extension and graphical shell to a sixteen-bit patch to = an=20 eight-bit operating system originally coded for a four-bit = microprocessor which=20 was written by a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of = competition."=20
 Sanrio@velocity.net
 Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
&nbs= p;AIM:=20 Midnight Sanrio
- ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C17332.53130900-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:53:18 -0500 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] The situation as it is This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C17333.21317420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Eric C=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 12:33 AM Subject: Re: [NG] The situation as it is > Rick =3D Stryder's next Dex? ;-) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- Looks that way.=20 What ever happened to Dex? Is he too good for us now or something?=20 Personally I miss the guys from DMA. ** Sanrio ** "I am the king of... no pants!." -- Penny Arcade http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=3D2001-06-06=20 Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Midnight Sanrio - ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C17333.21317420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Eric=20 C
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Thursday, November 22, = 2001 12:33=20 AM
Subject: Re: [NG] The situation = as it=20 is


>
Rick =3D Stryder's next Dex? ;-)

 
Looks that way.
 
What ever happened to Dex? Is = he too good=20 for us now or something?
 
Personally I miss the guys = from=20 DMA.
 
** Sanrio **
 
"I am the king of... no = pants!." -- Penny=20 Arcade
 http://w= ww.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=3D2001-06-06=20
 Sanrio@velocity.net
 Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
&nbs= p;AIM:=20 Midnight Sanrio
- ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C17333.21317420-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:54:55 -0500 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] add-ons This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0093_01C17333.5B6ED100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Eric C=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [NG] Can viruses be sent to Xbox via online connection Add-on? Peh. I still prefer a $200 system to a $300 one. History = has=20 taught us: add-ons fail. -Satoshi - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- Oh they sure do.=20 Explain to me the PC Engine CD-ROM. ** Sanrio ** "I can't spare a moment for the dog faced boy I won't lend another hand to the worm-girl of Hanoi Don't deplete my oxygen for the guy who's turning blue But ask me, and I'll do anything for you." -- Phish Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Midnight Sanrio - ------=_NextPart_000_0093_01C17333.5B6ED100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Eric=20 C
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Thursday, November 22, = 2001 12:48=20 AM
Subject: Re: [NG] Can viruses = be sent to=20 Xbox via online connection


Add-on?  Peh.  I still prefer a $200 = system to a=20 $300 one.  History has
taught us: add-ons = fail.
-Satoshi
 
Oh they sure do. =
 
Explain to me the PC Engine=20 CD-ROM.
 
** Sanrio **
 
"I can't spare a moment for = the dog faced=20 boy
 I won't lend another hand to the worm-girl of = Hanoi
 Don't=20 deplete my oxygen for the guy who's turning blue
 But ask me, = and I'll=20 do anything for you." -- Phish
 Sanrio@velocity.net
 Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
&nbs= p;AIM:=20 Midnight Sanrio
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