From: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com (NGamers-digest) To: ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: NGamers-digest V1 #1755 Reply-To: NGamers-digest Sender: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk NGamers-digest Saturday, November 24 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1755 Re: [NG] My Gamecube crashed...also one other thing Re: [NG] Especially for Thrax Re: [NG] Hotter than Potter Re: [NG] Hotter than Potter Re: [NG] fanboy bs Re: [NG] My Gamecube crashed...also one other thing Re: [NG] Especially for Thrax Re: [NG] I hope the 1.5 GB capacity doesn't hurt Nintendo in the future Re: [NG] I'm the King of.... Fighters! Re: [NG] No more off topic please Re: [NG] I'm the King of.... Fighters! Re: [NG] USENET Re: [NG] Can viruses be sent to Xbox via online connection Re: [NG] Hotter than Potter Re: [NG] pests Re: [NG] My Gamecube crashed...also one other thing ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 16:10:09 -0600 From: "Eric C" Subject: Re: [NG] My Gamecube crashed...also one other thing >From: Rick Sharer >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [NG] My Gamecube crashed...also one other thing >Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 14:33:06 -0600 > >Thraxen wrote: > > > You are truly pathetic. You IDIOT. You are such a total > > dumbass. > > >That's about the best arguments you've got in this debate, >substance-wise. Better hang on to those insults tightly there, hoss! >:) > >RS Translation: I can't find a decent reply to anything that was said, so I must filter out the actual arguments come back to the only parts of the message I can. I don't think I need to tell you to hang on to that strategy, since it's the same one you've been using all along. ;-) - -Satoshi _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 16:14:37 -0600 From: "Eric C" Subject: Re: [NG] Especially for Thrax >From: Rick Sharer >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [NG] Especially for Thrax >Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 14:39:24 -0600 > >I've just been getting >a chuckle reading those XBOX crash threads, just as you've been getting >a laugh from the "RL freezing up" ones. > >Although it's always humorous watching you justify and rationalize >NINTENDO successes. :) > >RS Judging from the topic, the only reason Stryder would have to laugh is at the irony of the situation, with you rambling on about how badly XBOX is going to crash. And, once again, Stryder said he wants to buy a GC in the future when more of the games he wants come out. If he can wait, let him. Just don't say that he has some underlying wish that Nintendo crash lands with the GC and goes to work for Microsoft because that's simply not true. - -Satoshi _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 16:24:23 -0600 From: "Eric C" Subject: Re: [NG] Hotter than Potter >From: Rick Sharer >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [NG] Hotter than Potter >Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 14:42:54 -0600 > >Eric C wrote: > > > How ironic that the best launch game > > on a Nintendo system is made by Sega. ;-) > >Heh. But I think I see the strategy. They expect launch games to sell >with >the launch, no matter how good or bad they are. Then the Must Have games >come >a little later, and the majority have got to go buy those games. > >Me, well I'm waiting for those Must Have games, and that's why I turned my >nose up at the launch games. I figure in about six months or so I'll be >able >to grab LM and MB for $25 or so. :) > >RS I guess that's one way of looking at it. However, I'm very happy to have been able to get these games now, even though I have such a short time with them. And, yes, the future games do excite me a bit more, especially Eternal Darkness and Star Fox Adventures. For now, though, I can say that it's hard to imagine someone regretting Super Monkey Ball. Of course, make sure you can stand a bit of frustration. ;-) - -Satoshi _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 16:29:28 -0600 From: "Eric C" Subject: Re: [NG] Hotter than Potter >From: "Dave" >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: >Subject: Re: [NG] Hotter than Potter >Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 15:42:23 -0500 > > > > >Maybe Monkey Ball, But Luigi? That's a game published by Nintendo. Take for >instance, Super Mario 64 and Mario Kart 64 are STILL $40 a piece, you'd >think they'd drop in price by now.. > >** Sanrio ** > I thought of the same thing. I mean, Hey You Pikachu, Pokémon Puzzle League, and Mario Golf are still about $40. You know, though, we really should think about this: how much will Player's Choice games on the GC be? N64 was $40, down from $60. So, how much will they cut. I'd say about $35 would be about right. How about you guys? - -Satoshi _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 16:43:38 -0600 From: Rick Sharer Subject: Re: [NG] fanboy bs Jedcross2@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/23/01 5:50:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, > sanrio@velocity.net writes: > > > >> Believe what you want you foolish fanboy, but the bottom line is >> that both Microsoft and Nintendo are $$$-oriented. >> >> ** Sanrio ** > > > Rick's gonna say "no, Nintendo cares about their buyers" No, Jed's gonna say that. Rick's gonna say that Nintendo cares about Quality. RS That's it. Your computer won't stop crashing. I'm leaving. I hate it when you call my XBOX that. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 16:38:39 -0600 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] My Gamecube crashed...also one other thing > Translation: I can't find a decent reply to anything that was said, so I > must filter out the actual arguments come back to the only parts of the > message I can. I don't think I need to tell you to hang on to that > strategy, since it's the same one you've been using all along. ;-) > -Satoshi Heh...he's deleted massive portions of previous e-mails as well. Sure, maybe I shouldn't throwing out insults, but when you've clearly established all your point beyond doubt and the person you are debating simply refuses to acknowledge the truth...it gets mighty frustrating. I don't think this guy would ever admit to losing a point to me. Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 16:46:33 -0600 From: Rick Sharer Subject: Re: [NG] Especially for Thrax Eric C wrote: > I find it rather humorous that you link to the fanboy infested > Gamefaqs. > As opposed to other fanboy infested message boards and mailing lists? :) > I > find it even more funny that this post was deleted now. ;-) > Yes, that is pretty classic. :) RS That's it. Your computer won't stop crashing. I'm leaving. I hate it when you call my XBOX that. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 17:48:48 EST From: Jedcross2@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] I hope the 1.5 GB capacity doesn't hurt Nintendo in the future - --part1_15a.489192d.29317dd0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/24/01 1:34:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, satoshi_gc@hotmail.com writes: > >Um, no. They weren't 256 MB. They were 256Mb. There is a difference. > >N64 carts can only store a maximum of either 96 megs or 32 megs, I forget. > >Compare that to the Playstation Disks that store 650 MB each. Thats > >probably > >the biggest reason why Square went with Sony rather than Nintendo. > > > > > >-Jed > > I believe the biggest it ever got to was 64 MB. That was Resident Evil 2. > -Satoshi Well, I guess the max size was 32 megs then, but they had an exception for that game. RE2 was 512 Mb. So 64/512= 0.125 1 MB is 12.5% of 1 Mb? - -Jed ______________________________________________________________ Q: Why are there bugs in most computers? A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat. - --part1_15a.489192d.29317dd0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/24/01 1:34:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, satoshi_gc@hotmail.com writes:


>Um, no. They weren't 256 MB. They were 256Mb. There is a difference.
>N64 carts can only store a maximum of either 96 megs or 32 megs, I forget.
>Compare that to the Playstation Disks that store 650 MB each. Thats
>probably
>the biggest reason why Square went with Sony rather than Nintendo.
>
>
>-Jed

I believe the biggest it ever got to was 64 MB.  That was Resident Evil 2.
-Satoshi

Well, I guess the max size was 32 megs then, but they had an exception for that game. RE2 was 512 Mb.
So 64/512= 0.125
1 MB is 12.5% of 1 Mb?
-Jed
______________________________________________________________
Q: Why are there bugs in most computers?

A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat.


- --part1_15a.489192d.29317dd0_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 17:51:38 EST From: Jedcross2@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] I'm the King of.... Fighters! - --part1_70.139574b1.29317e7a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/24/01 1:34:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, rlsharer@yahoo.com writes: > > XBOX sucks? > > I'm not sure, but I'd say their history makes it a very high > probability. :) > > RS A console sucks if a userbase that has played it says it sucks. Has Stryder said it sucked? No. - -Jed ______________________________________________________________ Q: Why are there bugs in most computers? A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat. - --part1_70.139574b1.29317e7a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/24/01 1:34:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, rlsharer@yahoo.com writes:


> XBOX sucks?

I'm not sure, but I'd say their history makes it a very high
probability.  :)

RS

A console sucks if a userbase that has played it says it sucks.
Has Stryder said it sucked? No.

-Jed
______________________________________________________________
Q: Why are there bugs in most computers?

A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat.


- --part1_70.139574b1.29317e7a_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 17:52:16 EST From: Jedcross2@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] No more off topic please - --part1_42.1def1daf.29317ea0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/24/01 1:36:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, satoshi_gc@hotmail.com writes: > > > >Stryder, remember... > > > >-Jed > > > Ah, so that means you still have extra cash, eh? Get Paper Mario. ;-) > -Satoshi I'm surprised you didn't say Monkey Ball ;-) - -Jed ______________________________________________________________ Q: Why are there bugs in most computers? A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat. - --part1_42.1def1daf.29317ea0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/24/01 1:36:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, satoshi_gc@hotmail.com writes:


>
>Stryder, remember...
>
>-Jed
>
Ah, so that means you still have extra cash, eh?  Get Paper Mario. ;-)
-Satoshi

I'm surprised you didn't say Monkey Ball ;-)

-Jed
______________________________________________________________
Q: Why are there bugs in most computers?

A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat.


- --part1_42.1def1daf.29317ea0_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 17:54:35 EST From: Jedcross2@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] I'm the King of.... Fighters! - --part1_144.5290e32.29317f2b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/24/01 1:41:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, satoshi_gc@hotmail.com writes: > I find it embarassing that there are people like that on the internet. > They're just there to annoy people rather than discuss anything. I > remember > seeing something I thought was rather funny on Cloudchaser. One night, it > said at the top, "Welcome to our newest member: XBOX=God_GC=Gay." I > clicked > the link to his profile and just laughed my arse off. "Last post: never > posted. Status: Banned" LOL. Fanboys are everywhere. :-/ > -Satoshi "i think de gamcube is good becuz it kicks ass over xboxe cause xboxe is gay and it sucks" ~Rick Sharer lol _ - -Jed_____________________________________________________________ Q: Why are there bugs in most computers? A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat. - --part1_144.5290e32.29317f2b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/24/01 1:41:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, satoshi_gc@hotmail.com writes:


I find it embarassing that there are people like that on the internet.  
They're just there to annoy people rather than discuss anything.  I remember
seeing something I thought was rather funny on Cloudchaser.  One night, it
said at the top, "Welcome to our newest member: XBOX=God_GC=Gay."  I clicked
the link to his profile and just laughed my arse off.  "Last post: never
posted.  Status: Banned" LOL.  Fanboys are everywhere. :-/
-Satoshi

"i think de gamcube is good becuz it kicks ass over xboxe cause xboxe is gay and it sucks"
~Rick Sharer

lol
_
-Jed_____________________________________________________________
Q: Why are there bugs in most computers?

A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat.


- --part1_144.5290e32.29317f2b_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 17:55:44 EST From: Jedcross2@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] USENET - --part1_ca.2324f75.29317f70_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/24/01 1:45:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, rlsharer@yahoo.com writes: > Well, Jed, I've supplied a couple of URL's today...as I explained earlier, I > use NEWSGUY for Usenet, and any links I provide would require a person to > have an account with them in order to read it. You do know how USENET > works, don't ya? I mean, since you knew what the "URL" acronym stood for > and all... RS > No, explain usenet. - -Jed ______________________________________________________________ Q: Why are there bugs in most computers? A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat. - --part1_ca.2324f75.29317f70_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/24/01 1:45:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, rlsharer@yahoo.com writes:


Well, Jed, I've supplied a couple of URL's today...as I explained earlier, I use NEWSGUY for Usenet, and any links I provide would require a person to have an account with them in order to read it. You do know how USENET works, don't ya?  I mean, since you knew what the "URL" acronym stood for and all... RS



No, explain usenet.

-Jed
______________________________________________________________
Q: Why are there bugs in most computers?

A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat.


- --part1_ca.2324f75.29317f70_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 17:56:48 EST From: Jedcross2@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Can viruses be sent to Xbox via online connection - --part1_155.497efb2.29317fb0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 11/24/01 1:51:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 satoshi_gc@hotmail.com writes: > I don't know why they'd make an add-on in the first place. Still, like I=20 > said, if I ever get it, 1GB is enough for ME. Most of the songs I'd store= =20 > are about 3MB each. So, I could store 333 songs. That's plenty in my=20 > case.=20 > Besides, probably wouldn't use more than my 10 Pok=E9mon CDs anyway. ;-) > -Satoshi >=20 But then you'd want to save your games... then game caching... - -Jed ______________________________________________________________ Q: Why are there bugs in most computers?=20 A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat.=20 =20 =20 - --part1_155.497efb2.29317fb0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 11/24/01 1:51:41 PM Eastern Standar= d Time, satoshi_gc@hotmail.com writes:


I don't know why they'd mak= e an add-on in the first place.  Still, like I=20
said, if I ever get it, 1GB is enough for ME.  Most of the songs I'= d store=20
are about 3MB each.  So, I could store 333 songs.  That's plen= ty in my case.=20
 Besides, probably wouldn't use more than my 10 Pok=E9mon CDs anyw= ay. ;-)
-Satoshi



But then you'd want to save your games...
then game caching...

-Jed
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Q: Why are there bugs in most computers?=20

A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat= .
=20
=20
- --part1_155.497efb2.29317fb0_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 17:57:55 EST From: Jedcross2@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Hotter than Potter - --part1_160.46a2bb1.29317ff3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/24/01 1:58:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, satoshi_gc@hotmail.com writes: > "The top-selling opening day software titles were those exclusive to > Nintendo GameCube. Most popular (in order) were Nintendo's self-published > Luigi's Mansion, followed by Star Wars: Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader > from > LucasArts Entertainment Company, and Nintendo's Wave Race: Blue Storm. > Reorders are already underway to replenish all retail software supplies." > > *sniff* NO MONKEY BALL??!!!! ;-) > Go Gamecube!! Let's keep it up. > -Satoshi Hmm, maybe WaveRace: sled storm is in the works;-) - -Jed ______________________________________________________________ Q: Why are there bugs in most computers? A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat. - --part1_160.46a2bb1.29317ff3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/24/01 1:58:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, satoshi_gc@hotmail.com writes:


"The top-selling opening day software titles were those exclusive to
Nintendo GameCube. Most popular (in order) were Nintendo's self-published
Luigi's Mansion, followed by Star Wars: Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader from
LucasArts Entertainment Company, and Nintendo's Wave Race: Blue Storm.
Reorders are already underway to replenish all retail software supplies."

*sniff* NO MONKEY BALL??!!!! ;-)
Go Gamecube!!  Let's keep it up.
-Satoshi

Hmm, maybe WaveRace: sled storm is in the works;-)

-Jed
______________________________________________________________
Q: Why are there bugs in most computers?

A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat.


- --part1_160.46a2bb1.29317ff3_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 17:58:45 EST From: Jedcross2@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] pests - --part1_168.47a9432.29318025_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/24/01 2:03:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, satoshi_gc@hotmail.com writes: > Nah, he's just being a pain in the arse. Why mention raping, mugging, etc.? > Stay on the subject. This is about internet pests, and you, Rick, are > one > of the biggest I've encountered so far. > -Satoshi Does he follow behind robotick? I may be on someone's list...(Wez):-P - -Jed ______________________________________________________________ Q: Why are there bugs in most computers? A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat. - --part1_168.47a9432.29318025_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/24/01 2:03:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, satoshi_gc@hotmail.com writes:


Nah, he's just being a pain in the arse.  Why mention raping, mugging, etc.?
 Stay on the subject.  This is about internet pests, and you, Rick, are one
of the biggest I've encountered so far.
-Satoshi

Does he follow behind robotick? I may be on someone's list...(Wez):-P

-Jed
______________________________________________________________
Q: Why are there bugs in most computers?

A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat.


- --part1_168.47a9432.29318025_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 18:00:22 EST From: Jedcross2@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] My Gamecube crashed...also one other thing - --part1_59.1389beaf.29318086_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/24/01 2:14:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, rlsharer@yahoo.com writes: > > I just hope he checks out http://www.gamequbed.com > > > > Any particular reason why? > > RS I work there... - -Jed ______________________________________________________________ Q: Why are there bugs in most computers? A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat. - --part1_59.1389beaf.29318086_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/24/01 2:14:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, rlsharer@yahoo.com writes:


> I just hope he checks out http://www.gamequbed.com
>

Any particular reason why?

RS

I work there...

-Jed
______________________________________________________________
Q: Why are there bugs in most computers?

A: They are attracted by the cookies and go in looking for a byte to eat.


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