From: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com (NGamers-digest) To: ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: NGamers-digest V1 #1765 Reply-To: NGamers-digest Sender: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk NGamers-digest Wednesday, November 28 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1765 Re: [NG] latest EGM Re: [NG] Super Smash Bros. Melee Re: [NG] nintendo gamecube Re: [NG] latest EGM Re: [NG] Super Smash Bros. Melee Re: [NG] nintendo gamecube Re: [NG] nintendo gamecube Re: [NG] latest EGM Re: [NG] latest EGM Re: [NG] latest EGM Re: [NG] latest EGM Re: [NG] latest EGM Re: [NG] latest EGM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:07:45 -0600 From: Rick Sharer Subject: Re: [NG] latest EGM Dave wrote: > Yeah, meaning Microsoft is sending EGM (and other mags) finished > builds of games much quicker than Nintendo. Sony is also known for > being friendly to the press. Nintendo isn't all the great in that > matter. But why such glowing reviews for crappy games? This is the review that seems more in line with reality. http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/launchreview.asp?reviewid=59816 RS _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:30:13 EST From: DarkBastion@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Super Smash Bros. Melee - --part1_c1.179b9834.293527a5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/27/01 11:48:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, sanrio@velocity.net writes: > I'm betting it's just like the original with better graphics. > > From what I've seen on Nintendo made 'Cube games so far, innovation isn't > high on their list. > > ** Sanrio ** > Well, is Tekken 3 the same as Tekken with better graphics? I don't think so. The fighters and fighting system in Melee has been refined and balance (so long all you cheap Kirby-using bastards). Plus, there are tons more fighters and stages. And you can win trophies in a gumball lottery type thing, and each trophy comes with a little snippet of Nintendo history. ~Matt "I hear it's amazing when the famous purple stuffed worm in the flap-jaw space with the tuning fork does a raw blink on Hara-kiri Rock. I need scissors! 61!" - - Colonel Campbell, Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty - --part1_c1.179b9834.293527a5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/27/01 11:48:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, sanrio@velocity.net writes:

I'm betting it's just like the original with better graphics.

From what I've seen on Nintendo made 'Cube games so far, innovation isn't high on their list.

** Sanrio **

Well, is Tekken 3 the same as Tekken with better graphics? I don't think so. The fighters and fighting system in Melee has been refined and balance (so long all you cheap Kirby-using bastards). Plus, there are tons more fighters and stages. And you can win trophies in a gumball lottery type thing, and each trophy comes with a little snippet of Nintendo history.

~Matt

"I hear it's amazing when the famous purple stuffed worm in the flap-jaw space with the tuning fork does a raw blink on Hara-kiri Rock. I need scissors! 61!"

- - Colonel Campbell, Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty

- --part1_c1.179b9834.293527a5_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:18:09 -0600 From: "Eric C" Subject: Re: [NG] nintendo gamecube >From: Vi On >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: n64 >Subject: [NG] nintendo gamecube >Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:51:05 -0500 (EST) > > >Anyone know what games they will be getting for the gamecube on >the first half of next year 2002? I somehow feel that my gamecube >might be collecting dust like the n64 since great games are far away. > >I'm looking forward to Mario party 4, dk racing, mario kart but I don't >think any of the above will be release any time soon. > >-Vi > > Eternal Darkness Star Fox Adventures Mario Sunshine Resident Evil Thinking about: Spy Hunter Galleon IGN's release list is pretty sketchy, so those are the only ones that will most likely or are confirmed to come out in the first half. The rest are all TBA. - -Satoshi _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:21:14 -0600 From: "Eric C" Subject: Re: [NG] latest EGM >From: Rick Sharer >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [NG] latest EGM >Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:57:42 -0600 > >Vi On wrote: > > > I feel abit bias in this months EGM magazine. There's > > 16 Xbox reviews, 21 playstation reviews and only 2 gamecube reviews!!! > >There's some serious cash being spread out by MS to sell their new toy. > >RS > > It's not like the XBOX numbers seem too high, but the GC numbers seem way too low. Not even a review for Smash Bros. C'mon EGM! - -Satoshi _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:13:14 -0500 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] Super Smash Bros. Melee This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C17756.09299F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DarkBastion@aol.com=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [NG] Super Smash Bros. Melee In a message dated 11/27/01 11:48:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, = sanrio@velocity.net writes: I'm betting it's just like the original with better graphics. From what I've seen on Nintendo made 'Cube games so far, innovation = isn't high on their list. ** Sanrio ** Well, is Tekken 3 the same as Tekken with better graphics? I don't = think so. The fighters and fighting system in Melee has been refined and = balance (so long all you cheap Kirby-using bastards). Plus, there are = tons more fighters and stages. And you can win trophies in a gumball = lottery type thing, and each trophy comes with a little snippet of = Nintendo history. ~Matt - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- Aside from Tekken Ball and Tekken Force, Tekken 3 isn't all that = different than Tekken. I mean is there some drastic improvement in gameplay that makes it a = whole new experience. Like going from the standard 'side-step' in Soul = Blade to the 'eight way run' in Soul Calibur. That's a major difference, = unlike say Dead or Alive 3 which is just a prettier version of Dead or = Alive 2: Hardcore, in all honest respects.=20 ** Sanrio ** "Microsoft Windows 9X'. A thirty-two bit extension and graphical shell = to a sixteen-bit patch to an eight-bit operating system originally coded = for a four-bit microprocessor which was written by a two-bit company = that can't stand one bit of competition."=20 Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Midnight Sanrio - ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C17756.09299F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 DarkBastion@aol.com

To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =

Sent: Tuesday, November 27, = 2001 12:30=20 PM

Subject: Re: [NG] Super Smash = Bros.=20 Melee

In a message dated 11/27/01 11:48:35 AM Eastern = Standard=20 Time, sanrio@velocity.net=20 writes:

I'm betting it's just like the original with better=20 graphics.

From what I've = seen on=20 Nintendo made 'Cube games so far, innovation isn't high on their=20 list.

** Sanrio = **

Well,=20 is Tekken 3 the same as Tekken with better graphics? I don't think so. = The=20 fighters and fighting system in Melee has been refined and balance (so = long=20 all you cheap Kirby-using bastards). Plus, there are tons more = fighters and=20 stages. And you can win trophies in a gumball lottery type thing, and = each=20 trophy comes with a little snippet of Nintendo = history.

~Matt

Aside from Tekken Ball and = Tekken Force,=20 Tekken 3 isn't all that different than Tekken.

I mean is there some drastic = improvement=20 in gameplay that makes it a whole new experience. Like going from the = standard=20 'side-step' in Soul Blade to the 'eight way run' in Soul Calibur. That's = a major=20 difference, unlike say Dead or Alive 3 which is just a prettier version = of Dead=20 or Alive 2: Hardcore, in all honest respects.

** Sanrio **

"Microsoft Windows 9X'. = A=20 thirty-two bit extension and graphical shell to a sixteen-bit patch to = an=20 eight-bit operating system originally coded for a four-bit = microprocessor which=20 was written by a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of = competition."=20
Sanrio@velocity.net
Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
&nbs= p;AIM:=20 Midnight Sanrio

- ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C17756.09299F20-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:14:10 -0500 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] nintendo gamecube This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C17756.2A28E320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Eric C=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [NG] nintendo gamecube >From: Vi On >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: n64 >Subject: [NG] nintendo gamecube >Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:51:05 -0500 (EST) > > >Anyone know what games they will be getting for the gamecube on >the first half of next year 2002? I somehow feel that my gamecube >might be collecting dust like the n64 since great games are far away. > >I'm looking forward to Mario party 4, dk racing, mario kart but I = don't >think any of the above will be release any time soon. > >-Vi > > Eternal Darkness Star Fox Adventures Mario Sunshine Resident Evil Thinking about: Spy Hunter Galleon IGN's release list is pretty sketchy, so those are the only ones that = will=20 most likely or are confirmed to come out in the first half. The rest = are=20 all TBA. -Satoshi - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- Mario Sunshine is for Summer 2002. And knowing Nintendo that means = August 31st at the soonest. ** Sanrio ** "I am the king of... no pants!." -- Penny Arcade http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=3D2001-06-06=20 Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Midnight Sanrio - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C17756.2A28E320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Eric=20 C

To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =

Sent: Tuesday, November 27, = 2001 2:18=20 PM

Subject: Re: [NG] nintendo = gamecube

>From: Vi On <vi@cs.bu.edu>
>Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=
>To:=20 n64 <NGamers@lists.xmission.com= >
>Subject:=20 [NG] nintendo gamecube
>Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:51:05 -0500=20 (EST)
>
>
>Anyone know what games they will be = getting for=20 the gamecube on
>the first half of next year 2002? I = somehow feel=20 that my gamecube
>might be collecting dust like the n64 since = great=20 games are far away.
>
>I'm looking forward to Mario party = 4, dk=20 racing, mario kart but I don't
>think any of the above will be = release=20 any time soon.
>
>-Vi
>
>

Eternal=20 Darkness
Star Fox Adventures
Mario Sunshine
Resident=20 Evil

Thinking about:
Spy Hunter
Galleon

IGN's = release list=20 is pretty sketchy, so those are the only ones that will
most = likely or are=20 confirmed to come out in the first half. The rest are
all=20 TBA.
-Satoshi

Mario Sunshine is for Summer = 2002. And=20 knowing Nintendo that means August 31st at the soonest.

** Sanrio **

"I am the king of... no = pants!." -- Penny=20 Arcade
http://w= ww.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=3D2001-06-06=20
Sanrio@velocity.net
Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
&nbs= p;AIM:=20 Midnight Sanrio

- ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C17756.2A28E320-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:24:20 -0600 From: "Eric C" Subject: Re: [NG] nintendo gamecube >From: "Dave" >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: >Subject: Re: [NG] nintendo gamecube >Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:14:10 -0500 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Eric C > To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 2:18 PM > Subject: Re: [NG] nintendo gamecube > > > >From: Vi On > >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com > >To: n64 > >Subject: [NG] nintendo gamecube > >Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:51:05 -0500 (EST) > > > > > >Anyone know what games they will be getting for the gamecube on > >the first half of next year 2002? I somehow feel that my gamecube > >might be collecting dust like the n64 since great games are far away. > > > >I'm looking forward to Mario party 4, dk racing, mario kart but I don't > >think any of the above will be release any time soon. > > > >-Vi > > > > > > Eternal Darkness > Star Fox Adventures > Mario Sunshine > Resident Evil > > Thinking about: > Spy Hunter > Galleon > > IGN's release list is pretty sketchy, so those are the only ones that >will > most likely or are confirmed to come out in the first half. The rest >are > all TBA. > -Satoshi > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >Mario Sunshine is for Summer 2002. And knowing Nintendo that means August >31st at the soonest. > >** Sanrio ** > Like I said about IGN's list. It says Q2 2002, so, going by that, I stand by my list for now. :-) - -Satoshi _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:40:26 -0600 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] latest EGM > Vi On wrote: > > > I feel abit bias in this months EGM magazine. There's > > 16 Xbox reviews, 21 playstation reviews and only 2 gamecube reviews!!! > > There's some serious cash being spread out by MS to sell their new toy. > > RS Blame the publishers for not getting EGM reviewable final copies of games. EGM has complained before about how late they get some games from Nintendo. Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:43:19 -0600 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] latest EGM > But why such glowing reviews for crappy games? This is the review that > seems more in line with reality. > > http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/launchreview.asp?reviewid=59816 > > RS Which reviews are you talking about, Rick. Have you even seen the magazine?? From what I understand (I haven't seen my copy yet...I was out of town) a lot of the XBOx games scored fairly low. So how would that be biased exactly? Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:23:47 -0600 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] latest EGM This is the review that > seems more in line with reality. > > http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/launchreview.asp?reviewid=59816 > > RS LOL....just got finished reading through that...what a joke. The guy doesn't even know what the hell he's doing. I especially like this part: "That's right, the Ethernet controller is like my gall bladder - it's useless. It does nothing. There is no reason for its existence. I was actually interested in plugging this into my home network (I use DSL and have a Linux box providing NAT) and going online for...well, some reason. After all the crowing the Xbox guys did at E3, I was expecting to do something on the Internet with the damned thing. Update: Some folks with multple Xboxes have noticed that on a local LAN, they can get them to communicate through UDP, and that the system pings 255.255.255.255 - so local play is possible. But broadband still is not, which is what I'd really like to try out (since I don't go inviting friends to bring their TV's over to my house to play games. Now I know that's not going to happen until - when? Summer 2002? What's the problem here? Last I checked, Microsoft had a TCP/IP stack. They couldn't put some simple FTP/Telnet/SMB protocols on the box? DHCP can't be that hard - let me get this guy doing something. Multiplayer for Halo? Not over the Internet - which, at least in my head, was going to be one of the cool things about the game. How about Metal Gear Solid 2 X and finding out how well I did online instantly? Nope - not gonna happen. " ROFLMAO!! When he first wrote the review, he didn't even have a clue the the ethernet port was LAN ready!!! I knew that MONTHS before the XBOX launch. If he would have just checked the multiplayer menu on Halo he would have seen an on-screen diagram showing 4 XBOXs running network cable to a hub. DUH! Also, people are already playing Halo and Tony Hawk online. You just have to trick the XBOX into thinking it's on a LAN by using VPNs or the methods given on this site http://www.xboxgw.com/ Leave it to Rick to call that mess of a review "more in line with reality". Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:43:41 -0600 From: Don Fentie Subject: Re: [NG] latest EGM Yeah that guy doesn't know what he's talking about. I think it was the same guy that reviewed the gamecube? Well whoever that was kept going on about how the system is inferior because it had little to no launch titles and how there is very little planned for the future. Then he talked about how the audio wasn't up to speed and how the system couldnt hold the precious CD's and DVD's that the PS2 could. Big deal, I have a CD player and a DVD player... why would I want a cheaper cruddier version for an extra $100? I don't. I only want to play Nintendo games and that's all I'm going to do. Thraxen wrote: > This is the review that > > seems more in line with reality. > > > > http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/launchreview.asp?reviewid=59816 > > > > RS > > LOL....just got finished reading through that...what a joke. The guy > doesn't even know what the hell he's doing. I especially like this part: > > "That's right, the Ethernet controller is like my gall bladder - it's > useless. It does nothing. There is no reason for its existence. I was > actually interested in plugging this into my home network (I use DSL and > have a Linux box providing NAT) and going online for...well, some reason. > After all the crowing the Xbox guys did at E3, I was expecting to do > something on the Internet with the damned thing. > > Update: Some folks with multple Xboxes have noticed that on a local LAN, > they can get them to communicate through UDP, and that the system pings > 255.255.255.255 - so local play is possible. But broadband still is not, > which is what I'd really like to try out (since I don't go inviting friends > to bring their TV's over to my house to play games. > > Now I know that's not going to happen until - when? Summer 2002? What's the > problem here? Last I checked, Microsoft had a TCP/IP stack. They couldn't > put some simple FTP/Telnet/SMB protocols on the box? DHCP can't be that > hard - let me get this guy doing something. Multiplayer for Halo? Not over > the Internet - which, at least in my head, was going to be one of the cool > things about the game. How about Metal Gear Solid 2 X and finding out how > well I did online instantly? Nope - not gonna happen. " > > ROFLMAO!! When he first wrote the review, he didn't even have a clue the > the ethernet port was LAN ready!!! I knew that MONTHS before the XBOX > launch. If he would have just checked the multiplayer menu on Halo he would > have seen an on-screen diagram showing 4 XBOXs running network cable to a > hub. DUH! Also, people are already playing Halo and Tony Hawk online. > You just have to trick the XBOX into thinking it's on a LAN by using VPNs or > the methods given on this site http://www.xboxgw.com/ > > Leave it to Rick to call that mess of a review "more in line with reality". > > Stryder > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:50:42 -0600 From: Rick Sharer Subject: Re: [NG] latest EGM Thraxen wrote: > > But why such glowing reviews for crappy games? This is the review that > > seems more in line with reality. > > > > http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/launchreview.asp?reviewid=59816 > > > > RS > > Which reviews are you talking about, Rick. Have you even seen the > magazine?? From what I understand (I haven't seen my copy yet...I was out > of town) a lot of the XBOx games scored fairly low. So how would that be > biased exactly? Yes, I read quite a few of the reviews from the website. Ridiculously high, but what do I know, all XBOX games must be made out of gold. :) RS _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:55:15 -0600 From: Rick Sharer Subject: Re: [NG] latest EGM Thraxen wrote: > ROFLMAO!! When he first wrote the review, he didn't even have a clue the > the ethernet port was LAN ready!!! I knew that MONTHS before the XBOX > launch. Perhaps, but not everybody is as smart as you...remember they bought a GameCube instead. Heh. > If he would have just checked the multiplayer menu on Halo he would > have seen an on-screen diagram showing 4 XBOXs running network cable to a > hub. DUH! Also, people are already playing Halo and Tony Hawk online. > You just have to trick the XBOX into thinking it's on a LAN by using VPNs or > the methods given on this site http://www.xboxgw.com/ > > Leave it to Rick to call that mess of a review "more in line with reality". Trust me Stryder, most people who purchase an XBOX aren't gonna go jump on the internet to find out how to hook up their XBOX. If a "techy geek" missed out on that initially, what are plain Jane and common Robby gonna do? RS _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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