From: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com (NGamers-digest) To: ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: NGamers-digest V1 #1776 Reply-To: NGamers-digest Sender: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk NGamers-digest Tuesday, December 4 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1776 Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo Re: [NG] Gamespot Smash Bros Melee Review Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo Re: [NG] Gamespot Smash Bros Melee Review Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo AW: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 07:56:56 -0500 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C17C99.3EA92EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thraxen=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo > I agree with Greg. Maybe when I was in grade 8 I might have thought swearing > was cool in videogames and in movies but... I mean I'm 19 now and I = think > swearing is an excuse for those languistically challenged so to = speak. There > are much better ways of expressing yourself without using = profanity>>> There is nothing better than swearing for expressing certain = high-strung emotions. Make all the excuses you want, but it's true. I pose the = same scenario to you as well....I'd love to see what comes out of you mouth = when under gun fire. I'd bet money you would toss your arrogant sense of morality right out the window. Also, what about a game like GTA3? A game full of mafia, pimps, = assassins, and other assorted evil-doers. Can you deny that these sorts of = individuals routinely speak with course language? Didn't think so. Therefore, = doesn't the use of such language in such a game add to the atmosphere and make = it more realistic? I say it does. Stryder - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- Wait, wait! Pimps are evil? I have nothing really against Luigi. And for the last time, my name's NOT Tony! ** Sanrio ** "Je ne sais pas ce que vous pensez." Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Midnight Sanrio - ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C17C99.3EA92EC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Thraxen =

To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =

Sent: Tuesday, December 04, = 2001 12:07=20 AM

Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word = and=20 Nintendo

> I agree with Greg. Maybe when I was in = grade 8 I=20 might have thought
swearing
> was cool in videogames and in = movies=20 but... I mean I'm 19 now and I think
> swearing is an excuse for = those=20 languistically challenged so to speak.
There
> are much = better ways=20 of expressing yourself without using = profanity>>>

There is=20 nothing better than swearing for expressing certain=20 high-strung
emotions. Make all the excuses you want, but it's = true. I pose the same
scenario to you as well....I'd love to = see what=20 comes out of you mouth when
under gun fire. I'd bet money you = would=20 toss your arrogant sense of
morality right out the = window.

Also,=20 what about a game like GTA3? A game full of mafia, pimps, = assassins,
and=20 other assorted evil-doers. Can you deny that these sorts of=20 individuals
routinely speak with course language? Didn't = think=20 so. Therefore, doesn't
the use of such language in such a = game add to=20 the atmosphere and make it
more realistic? I say it=20 does.

Stryder

Wait, wait! Pimps are = evil?

I have nothing really against = Luigi.

And for the last time, my = name's NOT=20 Tony!

** Sanrio **

"Je ne sais pas ce que = vous=20 pensez."
Sanrio@velocity.net
Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
&nbs= p; AIM:=20 Midnight Sanrio

- ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C17C99.3EA92EC0-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 08:03:06 -0500 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C17C9A.1B607A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Don Fentie=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 1:16 AM Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo Maybe Nintendo should package a loaded 9 millimeter along with every = first person shooter just to make the game that much more realistic. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- I think an old style GunCon would be more realistic. Is it just me or = does the old style GunCon look a lot like Snake's Socom from MGS? ** Sanrio ** "Je ne sais pas ce que vous pensez." Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Midnight Sanrio - ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C17C9A.1B607A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Don = Fentie

To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =

Sent: Tuesday, December 04, = 2001 1:16=20 AM

Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word = and=20 Nintendo

Maybe Nintendo should package a loaded 9 millimeter = along with=20 every first
person shooter just to make the game that much more=20 realistic.

I think an old style GunCon = would be more=20 realistic. Is it just me or does the old style GunCon look a lot like = Snake's=20 Socom from MGS?

** Sanrio **

"Je ne sais pas ce que = vous=20 pensez."
Sanrio@velocity.net
Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
&nbs= p; AIM:=20 Midnight Sanrio

- ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C17C9A.1B607A80-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 07:29:28 -0600 From: Rick Sharer Subject: Re: [NG] Gamespot Smash Bros Melee Review Thraxen wrote: > > Yessir, SSB:M and Pikmin are the first two GC games I'm getting...waiting > one > > more day and I'll FINALLY be playing the GameCube!. :) > > > > RS > > Why are you waiting? If you were going to get Pikmin anyway, why not just > play that until SSB:M? You could have played and beaten Pikmin by now and > be ready for SSB:M instead or working through them both at the same time. Pikmin hadn't been released until today. At least not in my country. :) RS _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 07:36:30 -0600 From: Rick Sharer Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo "Gregory A. Swarthout" wrote:

Thraxen wrote:
>
> > have someone start shooting at you and see if you don't let fly with a few
> > expletives and somewhat humorous as well. I think that is simply
> realistic.
> > Stick to your E games and G movies, I don't care about your lame ass
> > assertions.
>
> LOL...that thought didn't come out right. I didn't mean to say you would
> find it funny someone was shooting at you, but that I find it humorous when
> they cuss at me (they lots of things, BTW). Anyway, you get the idea.
Oh ya, cussing is funny. No doubt about it.

Really. That's so adult and mature. Yeah, right. Say, is that what makes Nintendo for 'kiddies'? Because there's no cussing (besides PD and Conker, heh)?

When I see a game that includes cussing, I immediately associate it with being juvenile (and yes, Conker just screams 'juvenile', but at least it was playing it over the top on purpose). The key is GAMEPLAY, not 'adult situations'! :)

RS
_________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 07:39:29 -0600 From: Rick Sharer Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo Dave wrote: > The whole thing is Nintendo forced a developer to have a song on a > game's soundtrack to be altered from its original form. Good for them. Remember, they are footing the bill so they have that right. If they wanted profanity out, then good on them. Doesn't Greg want profanity out of this list? Isn't that a good thing? RS _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 07:41:53 -0600 From: Rick Sharer Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo DarkBastion@aol.com wrote: > I agree. But you'd be foolish to deny the comedic power of certain > words. Also, in a game like MGS2, it would be stupid if Snake, this > bad ass who makes no qualms about killing, screamed, "Darn!" Maybe not, but as an alternative he could scream "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGHHHH" instead. :) RS _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 07:48:57 -0600 From: Rick Sharer Subject: Re: [NG] Gamespot Smash Bros Melee Review Eric C wrote: > Pikmin and Smash Bros. are both coming out tomorrow. He can't get one with > the other unavailable. I do know what you mean about one game at a time. > Same thing happened to Rayman 2 (N64). I got it for my birthday, played a > bit, but was distracted by Jet Force Gemini, then Donkey Kong 64 took the > place of both. Eventually, I got around to those, though. Can you believe that I've had Banjo Tooie ever since the day it came out and I didn't start playing it until JUST THIS PAST SATURDAY! And it's an absolute blast. All I can say is that I don't have enough time to play games! :) And now with the GC games today, well, Banjo may be waiting a bit longer. I try to tell myself that it's a good thing... :) RS _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 08:57:19 -0600 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo > Maybe Nintendo should package a loaded 9 millimeter along with every first > person shooter just to make the game that much more realistic.>>>> LOL...OK, Fentie. Apparently you simply don't get the point of video games in the first place. Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 08:59:27 -0600 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C17CA1.FA3F0EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok Thraxen, since you are so smart tell me how throwing in 3 swear = words into a game that raises the maturity rating 3 bars and prevents = thousands and thousands of younger customers from buying the game is = justified for Nintendo? If they as a company strive to maximize profits = tell me if they are going to GAIN more customers by adding in those = swear words or LOSE more because of the younger audience being prevented = from buying those games? (Keep in mind that you would be surprised how = many parents actually look at the game ratings as a basis of deciding = whether to buy the game for their younger son or daughter). >>>> I'm sure it is a wise business decision...I just personally don't care = for that sort of censorship. =20 Stryder - ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C17CA1.FA3F0EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ok Thraxen, since you are so smart tell me how throwing in 3 = swear words=20 into a game that raises the maturity rating 3 bars and prevents = thousands and=20 thousands of younger customers from buying the game is justified for=20 Nintendo? If they as a company strive to maximize profits tell = me if=20 they are going to GAIN more customers by adding in those swear words = or LOSE=20 more because of the younger audience being prevented from buying those = games? (Keep in mind that you would be surprised how many = parents=20 actually look at the game ratings as a basis of deciding whether to = buy the=20 game for their younger son or daughter). >>>>

I'm sure it is a wise business = decision...I just=20 personally don't care for that sort of censorship.

Stryder

- ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C17CA1.FA3F0EE0-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 09:02:25 -0600 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C17CA2.64B64EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When I see a game that includes cussing, I immediately associate it with = being juvenile (and yes, Conker just screams 'juvenile', but at least it = was playing it over the top on purpose). The key is GAMEPLAY, not = 'adult situations'! :)>>> But there is a distinct difference between being juvenile (Conker), and = simply being realistic and adding atmosphere (PD, Halo, GTA3). I think = it is clearly unfair to classify those three games with Conker. Stryder - ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C17CA2.64B64EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

When I see a game that includes cussing, I immediately associate it = with=20 being juvenile (and yes, Conker just screams 'juvenile', but at least it = was=20 playing it over the top on purpose). The key is GAMEPLAY, not = 'adult=20 situations'! :)>>>

But there is a distinct = difference between=20 being juvenile (Conker), and simply being realistic and adding = atmosphere (PD,=20 Halo, GTA3). I think it is clearly unfair to classify those three = games=20 with Conker.

Stryder

- ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C17CA2.64B64EA0-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 09:05:46 -0600 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo > Good for them. Remember, they are footing the bill so they have that > right. If they wanted profanity out, then good on them. Doesn't Greg > want profanity out of this list? Isn't that a good thing? > > RS>>> We seem to have two debates going on. First, the issue of censorship in relation to Crazy Taxi and the issue of swearing in games in general. I personally feel the content game should have been left alone....or at least change the music instead of altering it...something about that bothers me. As for the issue of swearing in games, I'm all for it when used in appropriate situations (as I've laid out previously). Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:03:48 +0100 From: "Michael" Subject: AW: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C17CE5.A4FBB980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-NGamers@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner- > NGamers@lists.xmission.com] Im Auftrag von Rick Sharer > Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Dezember 2001 14:39 > An: NGamers@lists.xmission.com > Betreff: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo >=20 > Dave wrote: >=20 > > The whole thing is Nintendo forced a developer to have a song on a > > game's soundtrack to be altered from its original form. >=20 > Good for them. Remember, they are footing the bill so they have that > right. If they wanted profanity out, then good on them. Doesn't Greg > want profanity out of this list? Isn't that a good thing? >=20 > RS >=20 >=20 Well, it depends on. A little profanity here, some cussing there - I don't see the problem - what would be the world without this ?=20 =20 But concerning this special case Nintendo changed something of the game, now it's cut and I hate this. It's like changing the blood's colour or replacing humans by robots. Surely, the changing of this song is a little minor compared to the ones I listed. And for those who don't know there won't be any difference. But thanks to Dave we do know :-) =20 I believe the PS2 version is uncut, isn't it? =20 Anyway.. is Jak & Daxter already out ? I've seen a video and can't stand it any longer to hold it in my hands. =20 =20 _MiChAeL_ =20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C17CE5.A4FBB980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> -----Urspr=FCngliche = Nachricht-----

> Von: owner-NGamers@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-

> NGamers@lists.xmission.com] Im Auftrag von Rick = Sharer

> Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Dezember 2001 = 14:39

> An: NGamers@lists.xmission.com

> Betreff: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and = Nintendo

>

> Dave wrote:

>

> >=A0 The whole = thing is Nintendo forced a developer to have a song on = a

> > game's soundtrack to be altered from its original = form.

>

> Good for them.=A0 = Remember, they are footing the bill so they have that

> right.=A0 If they = wanted profanity out, then good on them.=A0 Doesn't Greg

> want profanity out of this list?=A0 Isn't that a good thing?

>

> RS

>

>

Well, it depends on. = A little profanity here, some cussing there - I = don't

see the problem - what would = be the world without this ?

But concerning this = special case Nintendo changed something of the game, now it's cut and I hate this. It's like changing = the blood's colour or replacing humans by robots. Surely, the changing of = this song is a little minor compared to the ones I listed. And for those who don't = know there won't be any difference. But thanks to Dave we do know = :-)

I believe the PS2 = version is uncut, isn't it?

Anyway.. is Jak & = Daxter already out ? I've seen a video and = can't

stand it any longer to hold it = in my hands.=A0

_MiChAeL_

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