From: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com (NGamers-digest) To: ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: NGamers-digest V1 #1787 Reply-To: NGamers-digest Sender: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk NGamers-digest Monday, December 17 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1787 Re: [NG] Pikmin Re: [NG] D Fentie sucks at Smash Bros Re: [NG] Shorter games Re: [NG] Shorter games [NG] GT3 Re: [NG] D Fentie rules at Smash Bros Re: [NG] GT3 [NG] Gamecube buttons ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:44:21 -0500 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] Pikmin This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C18709.5045ED60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Don Fentie=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [NG] Pikmin You sucked that bad at the game did you?=20 Thraxen wrote:=20 I'm with Dave. I did play the original SSB with friends when I went = to visit some family once. Some of my cousins had the games and I = played a few hours with them. I thought the game sucked. I hate = fighters that are "floaty". Simply not my type of game... whether it's = a "killer" multiplayer game (as Dex says) is irrelevant to me. Stryder - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- It's just not the type of came that Thraxen and I like. Get over it.=20 It's 2-D but yet it has a "jump" button. What is this? Ranma 1/2 Part 2? ** Sanrio ** "I am the king of... no pants!." -- Penny Arcade http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=3D2001-06-06=20 Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Midnight Sanrio - ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C18709.5045ED60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Don = Fentie
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 = 2:08=20 PM
Subject: Re: [NG] Pikmin

You sucked that bad at the game did you?=20

Thraxen wrote:=20

I'm with Dave.  I did play the original SSB with = friends when I=20 went to visit some family once.  Some of my cousins had the = games and I=20 played a few hours with them.  I thought the game sucked.  = I hate=20 fighters that are "floaty".  Simply not my type of game... = whether it's=20 a "killer" multiplayer game (as Dex says) is irrelevant to=20 me. Stryder
 
It's just not the type of came that = Thraxen and I=20 like. Get over it.
 
It's 2-D but yet it has a "jump" = button. What is=20 this? Ranma 1/2 Part 2?
 
** Sanrio **
 
"I am the king of... no pants!." -- = Penny=20 Arcade
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- ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C18709.5045ED60-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:50:01 -0500 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] D Fentie sucks at Smash Bros This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C1870A.1B370D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Don Fentie=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [NG] Pikmin Not illiterate my tubby bitch, just understand that people who hate = games usually aren't any good at them.=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- That is true, some of the time. I'm really good at Pong, but it will = never be one of my favorites. On the other hand, I get my arse handed to = me on a platter by God Of Fighting Rugal (U. Rugal) in Capcom Vs. SNK 2 = (if you don't know who or what U Rugal is, think of Shin Akuma on a = s***load of amphetamines) but yet I still love to play CvsS2. So your = point isn't always valid. ** Sanrio ** "I am the king of... no pants!." -- Penny Arcade http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=3D2001-06-06=20 Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Midnight Sanrio - ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C1870A.1B370D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Don = Fentie
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 = 4:28=20 PM
Subject: Re: [NG] Pikmin

Not illiterate my tubby bitch, just understand that = people who=20 hate games usually aren't any good at them.=20
 
That is true, some of the time. I'm really good at Pong, but it = will never=20 be one of my favorites. On the other hand, I get my arse handed to me on = a=20 platter by God Of Fighting Rugal (U. Rugal) in Capcom Vs. SNK 2 (if you = don't=20 know who or what U Rugal is, think of Shin Akuma on a s***load of = amphetamines)=20 but yet I still love to play CvsS2. So your point isn't always = valid.
 
** Sanrio **
 
"I am the king of... no pants!." -- Penny Arcade
 http://w= ww.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=3D2001-06-06=20
 Sanrio@velocity.net
 Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
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- ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C1870A.1B370D60-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:58:30 -0500 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] Shorter games This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C1870B.4A465D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr.=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 8:06 PM Subject: [NG] Shorter games Are shorter games going to be the trend for this generation? Nintendo = has said that they want to reduce dev times so games can be spit out more quickly. "Pikmin" is a possible example of their new philosophy. Granted, there wasn't much you could do with the game mechanics(e.g. Luigi's Mansion). I love long fun games because I am getting my $50 worth. Rare has been famous for having lengthy games = and I hope they're not the only Nintendo party doing so. PS: Are there any Gran Turismo style games coming our(GC) way? - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- I don't think shorter games are the trend that will cover all. There has = always been short and long games. You want a long game for your 'Cube? = Get Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3. Took me a few weeks to finish it. As for = others, it depends on your abilities for some games. Like on the PS2 = (since I can't say for GC since I don't have one yet) I flew through = Devil May Cry and Onimusha, but then there are games where I still = haven't finished like Gran Turismo 3 and Grand Theft Auto 3. So it's a = mixed bag, and I think it will be a mixed bag on Gamecube. One thing. = I've had Crazy Taxi (the best version) since February 2000, and I still = play it from time to time, trying to beat my best score. So if you don't = have it already, get Crazy Taxi. The closet thing to Gran Turismo 3 on Gamecube is when idiot the = stockboy at K-Mart puts GT3 in with the Gamecube games. ;-)=20 There's always Test Drive. Or is that just XBOX? ** Sanrio ** "Excuse me please, one more drink Would you make it strong 'Cause I don't need to think She broke my heart My grace is gone Another drink and I'll move on" -- Dave Matthews Band Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Midnight Sanrio - ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C1870B.4A465D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Lloyd Millard=20 Mccoy Jr.
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 = 8:06=20 PM
Subject: [NG] Shorter = games

Are shorter games going to be the trend for this=20 generation?  Nintendo has
said that they want to reduce dev = times so=20 games can be spit out more
quickly.  "Pikmin" is a possible = example of=20 their new
philosophy.  Granted, there wasn't much you could do = with=20 the game
mechanics(e.g. Luigi's Mansion). I love long fun games = because I=20 am
getting my $50 worth.  Rare has been famous for having = lengthy=20 games and I
hope they're not the only Nintendo party doing=20 so.



PS: Are there any Gran Turismo style games coming = our(GC)=20 way?

 
I don't think shorter games = are the trend=20 that will cover all. There has always been short and long games. You = want a long=20 game for your 'Cube? Get Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3. Took me a few weeks = to finish=20 it. As for others, it depends on your abilities for some games. Like on = the PS2=20 (since I can't say for GC since I don't have one yet) I flew through = Devil May=20 Cry and Onimusha, but then there are games where I still haven't = finished like=20 Gran Turismo 3 and Grand Theft Auto 3. So it's a mixed bag, and I think = it will=20 be a mixed bag on Gamecube. One thing. I've had Crazy Taxi (the best = version)=20 since February 2000, and I still play it from time to time, trying to = beat my=20 best score. So if you don't have it already, get Crazy = Taxi.
 
The closet thing to Gran = Turismo 3 on=20 Gamecube is when idiot the stockboy at K-Mart puts GT3 in with the = Gamecube=20 games. ;-)
 
There's always Test Drive. Or = is that=20 just XBOX?
 
** Sanrio **
 
"Excuse me please, one more=20 drink
 Would you make it strong
 'Cause I don't need to=20 think
 She broke my heart
 My grace is = gone
 Another=20 drink and I'll move on" -- Dave Matthews Band
 Sanrio@velocity.net
 Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
&nbs= p;AIM:=20 Midnight Sanrio
- ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C1870B.4A465D80-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:59:56 -0500 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] Shorter games This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C1870B.7D79AA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr.=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [NG] Shorter games I never did play through JFG. That was another one. When I spoke of Rare I had Dk64(which I liked), GE, PD and B-K in mind. Those wer = lenghty games that were enjoyable throughout. My def of a lengthy game is one that takes at least 30hrs. I am excluding RPG's b/c much of the time = is spent talking,traveling, fighting the same battles/enemies. lloyd - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- Grand Theft Auto 3. That will last you a long time. But you need a PS2 = too. ** Sanrio ** "I am the king of... no pants!." -- Penny Arcade http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=3D2001-06-06=20 Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Midnight Sanrio - ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C1870B.7D79AA40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Lloyd Millard=20 Mccoy Jr.
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 = 8:31=20 PM
Subject: Re: [NG] Shorter = games

I never did play through JFG.  That was another = one. =20 When I spoke of
Rare I had Dk64(which I liked), GE, PD and B-K in=20 mind.  Those wer lenghty
games that were enjoyable = throughout. =20 My def of a lengthy game is one
that takes at least 30hrs.  I = am=20 excluding RPG's b/c much of the time is
spent talking,traveling, = fighting=20 the same battles/enemies.


lloyd


 
Grand Theft Auto 3. That will = last you a=20 long time. But you need a PS2 too.
 
** Sanrio **
 
"I am the king of... no = pants!." -- Penny=20 Arcade
 http://w= ww.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=3D2001-06-06=20
 Sanrio@velocity.net
 Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
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- ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C1870B.7D79AA40-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:09:26 -0800 From: "Matt MA" Subject: [NG] GT3 >PS: Are there any Gran Turismo style games coming our(GC) way? For whatever reason, this was one of the weaker genres on the N64. Sure, = it had a ton of racers, but they were all very arcadish, with only a = couple of sim style racers. PS/PS2 has a plethora of both kinds. Hopefully = things will change with GC, but so far there are no signs to point that = way. Boss Game Studios, who IMO, created 2 of the best racers on the N64 (Top = Gear Rally and World Driver Championship), has been very quite for a = couple years now. They have hinted that they are developing for GC, but = nothing specific about genre. If they *are* making a sim style racer for = GC, you can bet it will be good. matt ma PS - GT3 is a lot longer than GT or GT2, but in GT3 it's just more and = more of the same thing. GT2 actually had more depth, and for it's time, it = was still novel. GT3 is a totally fun game, but for GT and GT2 addicts, it = just feels like been there done that, only with nicer graphics. [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 16:33:19 -0600 From: Don Fentie Subject: Re: [NG] D Fentie rules at Smash Bros - --Boundary_(ID_+VEDdp1gSnx4Km7ZtD8UmA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Yeah I know my point isnt always valid but people (males especially) enjoy doing things that they are good at. No I'm not just making this up, I was just reading it in my psychology text. Dave wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don Fentie > To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 4:28 PM > Subject: Re: [NG] Pikmin > Not illiterate my tubby bitch, just understand that people > who hate games usually aren't any good at them. > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > That is true, some of the time. I'm really good at Pong, but it will > never be one of my favorites. On the other hand, I get my arse handed > to me on a platter by God Of Fighting Rugal (U. Rugal) in Capcom Vs. > SNK 2 (if you don't know who or what U Rugal is, think of Shin Akuma > on a s***load of amphetamines) but yet I still love to play CvsS2. So > your point isn't always valid. ** Sanrio ** "I am the king of... no > pants!." -- Penny Arcade > http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2001-06-06 > Sanrio@velocity.net > Drhodes_74@hotmail.com > AIM: Midnight Sanrio - --Boundary_(ID_+VEDdp1gSnx4Km7ZtD8UmA) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Yeah I know my point isnt always valid but people (males especially) enjoy doing things that they are good at.  No I'm not just making this up, I was just reading it in my psychology text.

Dave wrote:

 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [NG] Pikmin
 Not illiterate my tubby bitch, just understand that people who hate games usually aren't any good at them. 
 That is true, some of the time. I'm really good at Pong, but it will never be one of my favorites. On the other hand, I get my arse handed to me on a platter by God Of Fighting Rugal (U. Rugal) in Capcom Vs. SNK 2 (if you don't know who or what U Rugal is, think of Shin Akuma on a s***load of amphetamines) but yet I still love to play CvsS2. So your point isn't always valid. ** Sanrio ** "I am the king of... no pants!." -- Penny Arcade
 http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2001-06-06
 Sanrio@velocity.net
 Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
 AIM: Midnight Sanrio
- --Boundary_(ID_+VEDdp1gSnx4Km7ZtD8UmA)-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 17:53:00 -0500 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] GT3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C18723.AAFB8520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Matt MA=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 5:09 PM Subject: [NG] GT3 >PS: Are there any Gran Turismo style games coming our(GC) way? For whatever reason, this was one of the weaker genres on the N64. = Sure, it had a ton of racers, but they were all very arcadish, with only = a couple of sim style racers. PS/PS2 has a plethora of both kinds. = Hopefully things will change with GC, but so far there are no signs to = point that way. Boss Game Studios, who IMO, created 2 of the best racers on the N64 = (Top Gear Rally and World Driver Championship), has been very quite for = a couple years now. They have hinted that they are developing for GC, = but nothing specific about genre. If they *are* making a sim style racer = for GC, you can bet it will be good. matt ma PS - GT3 is a lot longer than GT or GT2, but in GT3 it's just more and = more of the same thing. GT2 actually had more depth, and for it's time, = it was still novel. GT3 is a totally fun game, but for GT and GT2 = addicts, it just feels like been there done that, only with nicer = graphics. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- And don't forget more responsive control. Those analog buttons do make a = world of difference. I went to play GT2 a few days ago and couldn't get = over how much I wished it could have analog gas & brake buttons. (That's = all I have to and will say on that matter) ** Sanrio ** "Microsoft Windows 9X'. A thirty-two bit extension and graphical shell = to a sixteen-bit patch to an eight-bit operating system originally coded = for a four-bit microprocessor which was written by a two-bit company = that can't stand one bit of competition."=20 Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Midnight Sanrio - ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C18723.AAFB8520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Matt MA=20
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 = 5:09=20 PM
Subject: [NG] GT3

>PS: Are there any Gran Turismo style games coming = our(GC)=20 way?

For whatever reason, this was one of the weaker genres on = the N64.=20 Sure, it had a ton of racers, but they were all very arcadish, with = only a=20 couple of sim style racers. PS/PS2 has a plethora of both kinds. = Hopefully=20 things will change with GC, but so far there are no signs to point = that=20 way.

Boss Game Studios, who IMO, created 2 of the best racers = on the=20 N64 (Top Gear Rally and World Driver Championship), has been very = quite for a=20 couple years now. They have hinted that they are developing for GC, = but=20 nothing specific about genre. If they *are* making a sim style racer = for GC,=20 you can bet it will be good.

matt ma

PS - GT3 is a lot = longer=20 than GT or GT2, but in GT3 it's just more and more of the same thing. = GT2=20 actually had more depth, and for it's time, it was still novel. GT3 is = a=20 totally fun game, but for GT and GT2 addicts, it just feels like been = there=20 done that, only with nicer graphics.
 
And don't forget more = responsive control.=20 Those analog buttons do make a world of difference. I went to play GT2 a = few=20 days ago and couldn't get over how much I wished it could have analog = gas &=20 brake buttons. (That's all I have to and will say on that = matter)
 
** Sanrio **
 
 "Microsoft Windows 9X'. = A=20 thirty-two bit extension and graphical shell to a sixteen-bit patch to = an=20 eight-bit operating system originally coded for a four-bit = microprocessor which=20 was written by a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of = competition."=20
 Sanrio@velocity.net
 Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
&nbs= p;AIM:=20 Midnight Sanrio
- ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C18723.AAFB8520-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 17:57:17 -0500 From: "Dave" Subject: [NG] Gamecube buttons This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C18724.446C3880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I got a magazine today, a 2002 preview guide, and it said that the 'A' = button on the Gamecube is analog. I thing that just L & R were analog. = So what's the deal? I was at K-Mart and I saw a Mad Catz Gamecube controller. It had a = larger D-Pad than Nintendo does, and it had a second Z Button on it, but = on the left side of the controller, and it was called the macro button. = So I'm assuming that this 'M' button can mimic any other button on the = controller. I really can't think of any uses for it, but if I do get a = Gamecube, that may be my second controller, it was also a mere $20.=20 ** Sanrio ** "Je ne sais pas ce que vous pensez." Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Midnight Sanrio - ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C18724.446C3880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I got a magazine today, a = 2002 preview=20 guide, and it said that the 'A' button on the Gamecube is analog. I = thing that=20 just L & R were analog. So what's the deal?
 
I was at K-Mart and I saw a = Mad Catz=20 Gamecube controller. It had a larger D-Pad than Nintendo does, and = it had a=20 second Z Button on it, but on the left side of the controller, and it = was called=20 the macro button. So I'm assuming that this 'M' button can mimic any = other=20 button on the controller. I really can't think of any uses for it, but = if I do=20 get a Gamecube, that may be my second controller, it was also a mere = $20.=20
 
** Sanrio **
 
  "Je ne sais pas ce que = vous=20 pensez."
  Sanrio@velocity.net
  Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
&nbs= p; AIM:=20 Midnight Sanrio
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