From: orb-owner@xmission.com To: orb-digest@xmission.com Subject: orb Digest V2 #2 Reply-To: orb@xmission.com Errors-To: orb-owner@xmission.com Precedence: orb Digest Wednesday, 26 June 1996 Volume 02 : Number 002 In this issue: Re: Orbital tour datezs Re: ORB & Fripp Re: Orbital tour datezs Re: orb plundering Blue Room EP/T.O.D- Any dog owners out there? Re: orb plundering attention pittsburgh!! orb on the radio!! Re: Blue Room EP/T.O.D- Any dog owners out there? Organic '96 review Prong remixes [none] Re: Organic '96 review Orb at ENIT Re: perry farrell Orb tour Re: Orb tour Orb records for sale Re: your mail See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the orb or orb-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wes Hetrick Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 11:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Orbital tour datezs It's not Orb info, but probably useful to some on here anyway.... ORBITAL 1996 dates someone just posted from the Ticketmaster website: > July 1 Detroit > July 3 Chicago > July 5 Bostson > July 6 NYC > July 10 Atlanta > July 11 Tampa I was just going to add July 9 in Washington, D.C. at the new 9:30 club. Anyway, thanks to the person who pointed out that the sustained tones on _FFWD_ were Fripp's guitar contributions...for the longest time I couldn't figure out what his contributions were, as these tone clusters sound a lot like synthesizers. Cool stuff.... Neil Hetrick current email: whetrick@dgs.dgsys.com ------------------------------ From: Mike195892@aol.com Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 12:33:50 -0400 Subject: Re: ORB & Fripp This release was to me one of the most brilliant pieces of musical escapism I'd ever found. I was unable to access this list when it first came out, so I missed the reactions that I most wanted to hear... Somebody once told me that there was going to be a second album made, but I doubted him. Just can't imagine it could be anything more than a one-time collaborative effort. But I'd love to hear more music like this made. Mike ------------------------------ From: XENOPHON Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 10:03:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Orbital tour datezs Hey! I agree. I like them both. All I know is that Orbital is coming to Portland Or this Thursday, June 27th at La Luna. I'm there! Xenophon Sex on the Flag techno show KBVR 88.7FM Corvallis, Or On Sat, 22 Jun 1996 ALetz@aol.com wrote: > I'm to drunk to figure out how to mail to the orbital group but I figure that > anyone liking the Orb also likes Orbital. > Anyway, I was checking at the ticketmaster web site and they have the > following dates for Orbital: > > July 1 Detroit > July 3 Chicago > July 5 Bostson > July 6 NYC > July 10 Atlanta > July 11 Tampa > > > Hopefully more dates will be announced soon. It would kick ass if they came > near my house. > > > ------------------------------ From: Adam J Weitzman Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:49:49 -0400 Subject: Re: orb plundering Jon Leidecker wrote: > If there's a content problem (although I'd be confused if there were), could > someone tell me? No content problem at all. I was considering crafting a response to this, but got sidetracked by work. > The first two minutes of 'Live 93' is directly lifted from the first two > minutes of the (excellent) Tape-beatles album 'Music With Sound'; when I > say lifted, I mean the orb just played it and added some small echoed > squiggles. 'Hey we're on TV, we're really on TV' etc. from UFOrb is also a > sampled sample lifted from this same album. That Tape-beatles CD is fantastic. Not Orbish at all, though. I'll have to listen to this again, as I never noticed the connection before. (Does anyone have anything interesting to say about Stock, Hausen and Walkman? I keep seeing that name in the "plunderphonic" context, but the CDs of their's I've seen are really expensive, so I want to know what I'm getting into. Answer privately please, as I bet they don't have much to do with the Orb.) > None of these sources are on the 'sample list' provided on the inner > booklet, which makes me somewhat curious. I realize that with the Kraftwerk > and Eno references, 99% percent of the elitist fun comes from knowing your > history, but I am somewhat confused by the lack of acknowledgement to acts > such as the Tape-beatles, especially when the pilfering in question is so > blatant. In the case of the Tape-beatles, I don't think they would *want* to be identified. The whole idea of their art is that they make it available for sampling to anyone at no cost, since all of it is already samples of other things. To credit them for it would spoil some of the fun, I think. ObOrb: I haven't seen the Auntie Aubrey thing anywhere. I'll probably buy it, even though I've tracked down most of the mixes already. - -- Adam J Weitzman ----- Individual, Inc. ----- weitzman@individual.com "I love the music of the 20th century!" - Bruce Willis, "12 Monkeys" ------------------------------ From: harmony@magigimmix.xs4all.nl Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 19:49:56 +0000 Subject: Blue Room EP/T.O.D- Any dog owners out there? The weirdest thing happened to me last week: We were sitting in the backyard, 'Towers of Dub' was playing loudly on our little stereo, and the neighbours dog started howling in an earpiercing fashion just *BEFORE* the dogs-barking-sample on the record started... Any dog owners have a similar experience? Was my observation about the timing correct? What _did_ the dog actually make such a noise about? Something sub- or supersonic? (with our stereo, I doubt it :) And does it work with CD's as well? Questions, questions. Somebody have any answers, maybe? "Penalties against possession of a drug should * Harmony@xs4all.nl not be more damaging to an individual than the * Roelant J.C. Rijs use of the drug itself" Pres. Jimmy Carter, * Any known cures Message to Congress, August 2, 1977 * 4 teethclenching? ------------------------------ From: Christopher William Niemitz Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: orb plundering On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, Adam J Weitzman wrote: > ObOrb:I haven't seen the Auntie Aubrey thing anywhere. I'll probably buy it, > even though I've tracked down most of the mixes already. Any completist will have to buy it...some of the mixes on it are different than those commercially available. Material's "Praying Mantra" is similar to the original, but with samples & extra effects mixed in. Primal Scream's "Higher than the sun" is similar to the regular mix, but it's longer & doesn't have any beats through most of the song. Wir "So & slow..." is very similar to the Orb's 12" mix, but sounds re-edited to make it longer... These are the only differences i recognized off the bat... perhaps in comparing the originals w/ others there's more. I picked up the Orb remixes of Prong last week, a bit different than the Killing joke remix, they have familiar Orb sounds & effects, but a much faster beat & the vocals are distorted & left in the background...makes Prong sound a bit like Killing Joke during their "80's" period. ------------------------------ From: zerozero@juno.com (Frank T Giarratani) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 19:30:14 PST Subject: attention pittsburgh!! orb on the radio!! hi everyone in pittsburgh... this tuesday @ 10am i will be spinnin rare (and some not so rare) orb so set up your tape players and turn in to 92.1 FM from 10 until 12 (the orb will be in the second hour... the first hour will be bob marley. thanks -- peace - --zerozero-- ------------------------------ From: zerozero@juno.com (Frank T Giarratani) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 19:42:22 PST Subject: Re: Blue Room EP/T.O.D- Any dog owners out there? On Mon, 24 Jun 1996 19:49:56 +0000 harmony@magigimmix.xs4all.nl writes: >Any dog owners have a similar experience? Was my observation >about the timing correct? we were all just chillin after gettin pretty smoky and as soon as the dog started barking, my dog stood up, her hair raised, and started vilently growling @ the speaker.... it really freaked us out (mainly because of the state we were in :) i dunno... maybe your neighbors dog can predict the future and wanted to show its dominance over the dog on towers of dub before it could even open its mouth :) or maybe the dog is an orb fan and it was trying to do a duet! - --zerozero-- ------------------------------ From: Pete Ashdown Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 20:24:57 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Organic '96 review The last time I had gone to Los Angeles specificially for a concert/rave was to see The Shamen and Moby perform at the Spruce Goose in January of 1992. A lot of h2o had passed under the proverbial archway since that time. My friend John and I had built up the rave scene in Salt Lake City from nothing, then left to pursue other interests, like the all consuming vocation of running an Internet Service Provider. Yet, with a lineup like Organic '96 was touting, who could resist? It was no wonder to see cars from Virginia and Illinois in the parking lot. Nothing on this scale had been attempted before in the states. So, over four years since I had driven to Los Angeles to jump start my own rave juices, and nearly three years since the incredible NASA tour stopped in San Francisco, John and I once again rented a car to drive the all night drive. Orbital has always been a favorite for me. For those of you who haven't been keeping score, I managed to book them in less than a week on their first tour with Meat Beat Manifesto and Ultramarine, then lost a considerable amount of money on a town without a clue. Yet it was worth the price. Orbital later stated that that single stop, although quickly scheduled, was their favorite from their first tour. In spite of all promoter attempts to keep them out of Salt Lake City since, they have continually expressed a desire to return. It did happen again, the promoter calls, I put in a bid, only to find out that San Francisco had moved their date over ours. The last time the agent felt that Moby was worth far more than I desired to pay. In just about every instance, the band's wishes come last when booking a tour is involved. The agent was, however, conciliatory in the fact that she did offer to get me passes to the show. Whether this actually happened or not was moot, since the list never arrived at the show. I was happy to pay the price to get in, but pissed off that I had to stand around waiting for an hour to find out that it had fallen through. In case you've never seen whining in action, hang around a "will call" line in Los Angeles for an hour. I did meet up with a couple of the "regulars." Lazlo Nibble had managed to scrape his butt out of Albuquerque to get there, and of course Mr. and Mrs. Greg Earle were in fine form. I was also pleased to finally meet the legendary Paul Moore, editor-in-chief of the rag we all knew and loved, Technology Works, as well as the guilty party behind nm-list. Aside from the obvious dust problems with the area, the setup looked good. I was happy to see that there weren't so many people there that you could get in a good position to see the stage and not feel like a rehash of the Star Wars "garbage compactor" scene. Looking over the schedule for Organic, it made me wonder what idiot had their hand in this mess. The bands were supposed to play from a measly one hour to two, then they were going to "rebroadcast" performances from tape?!? What kind of balogna is that? Not to mention the liberal sprinkling of DJs who all wanted their 15 minutes, who in fact, nobody but the most Vicks smeared kiddies had come to listen to. Thankfully, the bands wouldn't have any of it, and they played enormous sets with no minding of the schedule. Everything was back to back, save for the moving around of equipment, which took around 30 minutes on the average. I missed Electric Skychurch, so no review there. Instead, I came in about 20 minutes before one of the Chemical Brothers wandered around the audience being swamped by fans, and 10 minutes before Loop Guru took the stage. Seeing the size of the band, six people, intrigued me with what exactly was going to take place. The beat kicked in, and yes, it was good, but what in the hell were they doing? It was questionable as to whether any of the numerous drumsets were miked at all, and if they were, did anyone bother to level them near what the beatbox was at? Why was the lead dragging around a guitar, Bono-like, with no sound coming out? I was really looking forward to a smattering of ethnic instruments, but instead what we got was a puppet show to a crushing beat. The one thing I could hear was the female lead attempting to strangle herself on the microphone. She didn't exactly exude confidence in her abilities, and ended up shrieking like a scared cat most of the time. Loop Guru was an enormous disappointment. Meat Beat Manifesto arrived and kicked bootie with their normal level of confidence. The band was minus Johnnie, but had an additional keyboardist and guitarist. What the guitarist was doing with the saxophone remains a mystery, but the sound was still good. Jack once again, orchestrated everything from his enormous road box on an angle. It was surprising to hear them roll of so many of the older tracks, "Helter Skelter", "Radio Babylon" and a couple others, but only a few from the new album. "Asbestos Lead Asbestos" was not performed. The video behind them was above par rave-style stuff, but still had plenty of visuals directed towards Meat Beat. I managed to catch Paul Hartnoll watching the show during Meat Beat. He did lament that this tour was too short and mentioned the possibility of a second leg in the fall, either of Europe again, or the states. The next band, Underworld, was introduced with a large hullaballoo. I'll never figure out why people have forgiven them for their incredibly bad Fruer days, or even the early leather years of Underworld. "They're solid techno now though," I suppose the cry would come, even if they have a mostly useless singer flailing around the stage. Underworld opened with "Rez" and continue to pound out their (recent) hits. It sounded and looked great, but the intensive, determined knob twiddling of the two guys behind the music (Darren and who?) bothered me. There is only so much working of a mixing board that I can stand before the question is asked, "What the hell are they really doing?" The video made up for a lot of this. Someone obviously had a lot of time or patience to work in all that lettering. Last, comic relief was provided in the end when this woman in a dancers dress arrived on the stage to give us her expressions of the music. It hurt to laugh so hard. The Chemical Brothers arrived and promptly kicked everyone's ass. They weren't there to entertain us with 303 mutations, there were just there to drop incredibly funky crushing drum beats with the subtlety of a Panzer tank. This was the best set yet. Their attitude oozed from the stage while their stage hands picked females from the audience to gyrate to their workings. Dance music with rock n' roll aspirations. Their visuals were equally subtle. Cops beating up on crowds, large ground canons, bombs, war, death, and further indications, that yes, The Chemicals were here to kick our ass. They only band of the night to get an encore, yet they didn't care. They returned to the stage, regarded their audience with disdain and continued to kick further ass. After an ultralame intro from a KROQ DJ, Orbital took the stage in darkness. In the anonymity of darkness, they remained, with the customary tecnicians glasses shining through. Paul had added a pen laser to his to good effect. The Intellibeams fixed on either the round or the square gobo to project tunnel-like color in a constant mode. They had also added two silver projectors which shot the Orbital "loops" logo out on both sides. This was all unimportant to the centerpiece, the video, the loops, and the slides. Words can not describe what the visuals did with the audio. It was in essence like watching a fascinating, ever changing jewel. I felt the fear of blinking in case of missing something. Without a doubt, this was the best visuals I had ever seen at any concert. They should immediately package it on laser disc and release it to the public, works like that should not be canned never to be seen again. What was even more amazing about the visuals is that there wasn't a computer generated frame in site. How someone could make a salad slicer into such a work of beauty is beyond me, but it happened. Back that up with Orbital's music and it freezes you into a state of gaping awe. The set was hardly danceable, and it was so above that. Royal Albert Hall indeed, Orbital deserves to play in better places than dusty arenas and smoke-filled clubs. With this tour, they have ascended into a different kind of artistry. After an hour of breaking down Orbital's stage, The Orb came forth. I must admit that I was hesitant to see them, the last time being before "Live '93" came out. Then they were still considered more in the "Adventures" phaze of things and not so much the "Orbus Tyrannus" form. I had in fact skipped seeing them on "Orbus Tyrannus" because of my disappointment with the album. It never clicked for me. Orb's stage looked startling similar to their 1991 tour. Sheets over tables, side-by-side and no backing band. Then the use of slide projectors and simple Intellibeam gobos harkened back as well. The most surprising thing was to see Thrash at the controls again. He has frequently expressed his boredom with touring, up to the point of stating that he was going to stick to the studio side of things, but there he was. Alex and Thrash played a lot of new stuff, or at least unrecognizeable stuff. According to man-on-the-scene, Lazlo, a lot of what was played is due on the next album, which is a relief. It is a return to a more beat-laden form. Three or four of the tracks were downright fluffy. There was a rather cool remix of "Spanish Castles in Space" and a bit of "Star 6,7,8,9" plus a baffling cut from KLF's "Chill Out." However, by 6:00 AM in the morning, John and I were both tired, cold, tired and cold. All I could think about was "I drove 700 miles, and I'm going to stay" rather than "Orb! Orb! Orb!" So we eventually gave up. When we drove out of the parking lot, they were still playing. A lot of what was played was more than just ambient noodling, but rather big fat dubby drum lines, which at that time in the morning on a cold empty stomach, can have a rather negative effect. All in all, a great experience. I can only wonder if further Organics will prove to be more of a festival than a rave. It was a bit like a time trip to see that culture again, but a pleasant one at that. We'll see next year. ------------------------------ From: Smiley Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:14:08 GMT Subject: Prong remixes I sent this to the list two weeks age, but it didn't appear, so here goes again... (June 13th, '96) I haven't seen anyone else mention this yet, so... The Orb remixes of Prong's "Rude Awakening" are out (and have been for two or three weeks in the UK, so the guy in the record shop I got it from tells me)! 1996 UK CD5 (Epic Records; 663028 2) Prong "Rude Awakening" includes; - - Subtle As A Velvet Doc Martin (Left) 6.51 - - Subtle As A Velvet Doc Martin (Right) 6.51 (Yes, I _know_ it should be Marten, but that's how it's spelt on the inlay...) Mixes are credited to The Orb (A.Paterson/A.Hughes/T.Fehlmann) and described as special version adapted from the forthcoming Epic release: Rude Awakening. TTFN. - -- Smiley P.S. I'm playing the mixes as I write this. They're f*****g ace. Nice and hard and industrial...(surprisingly) (end) There's also a limited edition 12" orange vinyl doing the rounds, with the same mixes on. Hope this gets through ;-) - -- Smiley ------------------------------ From: arthur@voyagerco.com (Rex C. Arthur) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:11:24 -0400 Subject: [none] don't know if this has been posted but..... i heard from a friend who works for nasty little man (an artist management/press co.) that both meat beat and the orb are going to be included in the line-up of perry farrel's new travelling festival (ennit or something like that) the only problem if this is in fact true, is that we'll have to sit through a whole lot of crap (including porno for pyros) to see what we want. anyone else know anything about this? :: rex c. arthur :: :: voyager co. :: :: nyc :: ------------------------------ From: "Lazlo Nibble" Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:30:12 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Organic '96 review > The most surprising thing was to see Thrash at the controls again. He > has frequently expressed his boredom with touring, up to the point of > stating that he was going to stick to the studio side of things, but > there he was. Actually that was Andy Hughes. Pretty strong resemblance, though! Maybe that's how he got the gig. :-) - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------ From: "Lazlo Nibble" Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:33:23 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Orb at ENIT > i heard from a friend who works for nasty little man (an artist > management/press co.) that both meat beat and the orb are going to be > included in the line-up of perry farrel's new travelling festival (ennit > or something like that) the only problem if this is in fact true, is > that we'll have to sit through a whole lot of crap (including porno for > pyros) to see what we want. anyone else know anything about this? As far as I know, yes, Orb are returning to the US for the ENIT tour later this summer. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------ From: volt16@primenet.com (Mike) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:20:55 -0600 Subject: Re: perry farrell At 02:11 PM 6/25/96 -0400, orb@xmission.com wrote: >don't know if this has been posted but..... i heard from a friend who works >for nasty little man (an artist management/press co.) that both meat beat >and the orb are going to be included in the line-up of perry farrel's new >travelling festival (ennit or something like that) the only problem if this >is in fact true, is that we'll have to sit through a whole lot of crap >(including porno for pyros) to see what we want. anyone else know anything >about this? yeah...i heard the same...also saw a recent interview with Mr. Farrell and he seems to really be getting into the whole rave/newage experience. he made frequent references to PLUR, Gaea, and techno as being the future. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------------- "You are equipped with a hundred...billion....neuron brain.... and its wired and fired... it is a reality-generating device..." - TL "Get me 2 bags of corn nuts you asshole."-Zippy the rabid Wonder Gerbil "Fuck pessimism... it won't work anyway"-Zippy speaks again... "You are either in possession of a very new human ability....or a VERY OLD one"-some stoned shaman :) Check out my homepage at http://www.primenet.com/~volt16/index.html Unofficial Process Screen-Saver (Last Updated 6-13-96): http://www.primenet.com/~volt16/3d/procsave/procsave.htm ------------------------------ From: andy@pythagoras.org (Andrew Nourse) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 22:47:51 -0700 Subject: Orb tour I heard at the Orbital show last night that Orb will be here in August and Sun Electric will be opening for them. The Tie-Dyed Side of the Force ------------------------------ From: XENOPHON Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 23:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Orb tour Hey, where are you that they will be there? Where else are they going? On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, Andrew Nourse wrote: > I heard at the Orbital show last night that Orb will be here in August > and Sun Electric will be opening for them. > The Tie-Dyed Side of the Force > > ------------------------------ From: Smiley Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 09:33:40 GMT Subject: Orb records for sale In order to raise funds for my forthcoming trip to the States, I'm selling the following spares from my collection. I'm happy to accept UK sterling or US dollars at the rate 1 UKP=1.5 USD. **Buyers pay postage and packing** Orb - "Live '93" (Island/Wau! Mr Modo, Green vinyl 12" promo; 12 ORB 1) - includes Towers of Dub/Blue Room for Live '93 album - 20 UKP/30 USD Orb - "Pomme Fritz" (Island, Blue vinyl 12" promo; 12 ORB 2) - includes Pomme Fritz (Meat 'N Veg)/Alles Ist Schoen from album - 10 UKP/15 USD Orb - "Oxbow Lakes" (Island, 2x12" yellow viyl promo pack; 12 ISD 609 DJ) - includes Everglades/Sabres/Psychic Pals/Evensong mixes - 20 UKP/30 USD Pato Banton - "Beams of Light" 12" promo (IRS/Tribe; THRASH 1) - 15 UKP/22.5 USD Lisa Stansfield - "Time To Make You Mine" 12" promo (Arista; TIME III) - includes "In My Dreams Mix" (9.24) by Youth/Orb - 10 UKP/15 USD Maximum Bob - "Sucker" Orb produced promo 12" (Total Records; 12 THN 1 DJ) - 20 UKP/30 USD Sun Electric - "Red Summer" 12" promo on ZTT - includes The Orb Koskiewicz Mix - 10 UKP/15 USD System 7 - "Miracle" 12" promo (Ten Records; TENDJ 381) - includes Miracle (Orb remix)/Mia (Ultraworld Colony Mix) - 10 UKP/15 USD Email me at Smiley@cracl.demon.co.uk TTFN. - -- Smiley ------------------------------ From: Wes Hetrick Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 08:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: your mail > don't know if this has been posted but..... i heard from a friend who works > for nasty little man (an artist management/press co.) that both meat beat > and the orb are going to be included in the line-up of perry farrel's new > travelling festival (ennit or something like that) the only problem if this > is in fact true, is that we'll have to sit through a whole lot of crap > (including porno for pyros) to see what we want. anyone else know anything > about this? Dunno about "ennit," but I think that Farrel's band and Cibo Mato (sp?) are playing before Orbital take the stage July 9 at the 9:30 club in Washington, D.C. Neil Hetrick current email: whetrick@dgs.dgsys.com onnow: Speedy J - _Ginger_ ------------------------------ End of orb Digest V2 #2 *********************** To subscribe to orb Digest, send the command: subscribe orb-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-orb": subscribe orb-digest local-orb@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "orb-digest" in the commands above with "orb". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/orb/archive. These are organized by date.