From: owner-orb-digest@lists.xmission.com (orb-digest) To: orb-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: orb-digest V2 #147 Reply-To: orb-digest Sender: owner-orb-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-orb-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes orb-digest Tuesday, December 15 1998 Volume 02 : Number 147 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 01:37:15 -0500 From: "Dan Kelly" Subject: (orb) no Orb content, re:realaudio a while back someone posted info on how to save realaudio files. I've lost the post when i had to re-install win95. would someone reply to me privately if they can help. thanks, DanKelly # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:14:58 -0600 From: lysergic maximus Subject: Re: (orb) probe just out of curiosity where were these seen? very very curious... lysergtic At 09:58 PM 12/11/98 -0600, you wrote: > >>Is anyone familiar with an Orb bootleg called Probe? I found Probe, Vol. 2 > >>recently; it looks pretty shoddily made, but I'm curious what's on it (not > >>on the discog). * Post Mortem Telepathy, the lysergic dream mailing list! to subscribe send mail to: majordomo@hollyfeld.org with the command 'subscribe pm-telepathy email@addy'!* The Lysergic Dream - Cult of the Dying Streetlamp - Coming soon on Uncle Buzz Records Now In Progress: The Post Mortem Telepathy Remix Project check out the website for the full story http://www.unclebuzz.com/lysergicdream/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:15:24 -0500 From: Superfastrunners Subject: Re: (orb) Lately... >I also have thought (and correct me if I am wrong) that most of the talent >laid in Thrash, as far as production and musical ability. Patterson (while >I like him a lot) always struck me as the "idea man" and the tweaker. I >believe I have read a few interviews that have touched on confirming the >suspicion but never really. > >I love the Orb. I just (sadly) love pre-Orblivion Orb. Over-driven bass >beats don't do it for me. > >Thoughts? for starters, in which sense do you use the word "tweaker?" :) earlier vs. later orb = apples vs. oranges (ganja vs. mushrooms?). thrash had certain ideas & methods, andy has others. frankly, i can listen far further in to the mixes andy's worked on than the earlier stuff...i think if there was a line to be drawn, it'd be between u.f.orb and pomme fritz. you asked for thoughts...mine is, "keep listening." non-objectively yours, ryan superfastrunners, superfastrunners@pobox.com ryan platte, ryanplatte@pobox.com part, part@pobox.com http://pobox.com/~part # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:40:22 -0800 From: Jeff Boyd Subject: (orb) The KLF / Chill Out I stumbled across "Chill Out" this evening for a mere $2.99 at a local record shop.=20 I've never had much exposure at all to the KLF, aside from the fairly wac= k "3 AM Eternal" stuff they pumped out at the beginning of the decade. This, however, is really, really cool. It reminds me a lot of Eno, earlie= r Orb and FFWD so far. Anyway, can somebody give me the lowdown on the KLF? Which stuff is good and which stuff is lame? I know there are some Orb connections, but what are they exactly? What are these guys doing now? Please forgive my ignorance. I've never cared about 'em until I heard how cool this is.=20 Thanks, Jeff ______________________________ Jeff Boyd http://www.jps.net/jeffboyd =93Computers in the future may=20 weigh no more than 1.5 tons.=94 =20 - Popular Mechanics, 1949=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 12:44:38 -0000 From: "Phil Blake" Subject: Re: (orb) no Orb content, re:realaudio Use XFileget which can be downloaded from http://www.2bsys.com you can also download Ra2Wav to convert realaudio to Wav files. Phil. - -----Original Message----- From: Dan Kelly >a while back someone posted info on how to save realaudio files. I've lost >the post when i had to re-install win95. >would someone reply to me privately if they can help. thanks, DanKelly # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:55:14 -0800 (PST) From: Blaine Cook Subject: Re: (orb) FSOL : ISDN SHOW Would it be possible [for anyone on the list] to MP3 it for those of us who aren't on the list?! :-) It would be greatly appreciated! blaine On Fri, 11 Dec 1998, EP wrote: > Hello, > > I posted about a month ago saying that I would CD-R a copy of a rare FSOL > CD called "ISDN SHOW" I said that I would send it out to the first 10 > people who e-mailed me. Well, I lied. I will be sending it out to the > first 14 people, since I'm such a nice guy. The list of people who made > the grade follows this message. If you are listed below, please contact me > privately and I will send you my written address. Remember the deal was > that you guys send me a CD-R and an envelope or package or something that > can make it back to you from the USA. No more, no less. > > Emmett # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:59:35 -0800 (PST) From: Blaine Cook Subject: Re: (orb) the gap ;-) I thought that commercial was quite irritating, actually... I'm not one big on malls or stores like the gap in the first place.. The commercials seem to me to be a blatant grab at what people find interesting today (re: electronic music, a mellowed-out rave scene, eyecandy, etc...) and putting a face to it (re: gap). I don't particularily like VW either [all the new beatles are made in mexico] but at least their commercial used _good_ music :-) blaine On Fri, 11 Dec 1998, Chris Kloehr wrote: > I know a while back every one was GAP bashing. But I must say that I just saw one of the coolest commercials I have ever seen....and it was by the Gap. They had a bunch of kids dancing around and then they started using all kinds of cool visual effects on the kids. They had long "trails" behind each of them as they danced all around. Oh well, enough rambling.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 14:16:34 -0000 From: "Tim Wright" Subject: Re: (orb) Russian translation needed >I assume we're talking about Asylum here, I can't find the first part. The >part that says "Asylum" is not really in Russian, just looks cyrillic. Then >there's "sfyora uvezhenia v syertze kosmosa". V syertze kosmosa is "in the >center of the cosmos", or universe. I assume sfyora uvezhenia is something >like a huge evergrowing.... Dictionary anyone? This is probably all on a >website somewhere anyway. The first bit is the easy bit, almost. Sfyera (but not sfyora, according to my little dictionary; i.e. *without* the dieresis on the E) means Orb, and ubyezhishche (again, just E, not "ubyozh"...) is Asylum. Maybe the diereses are just for visual effect, or there's something going on beyond my minimal understanding of Russian. Tim W> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:57:35 -0800 From: Kim Rask Subject: Re: (orb) LFC at Rough Trade DERRIEN Jice wrote: > Am I the only one who thinks that the first Fireman is a crap album with > the same track over and over again ? >From what I understand the first album *is* basically a remix album, with the first song being written by Paul and the remaining songs being Youth remixes. I have not heard it yet myself, so I don't know how it is. > "Rushes" is a little bit better, but I > listened to it again yesterday and I'm not impressed by the album as a > whole. Some nice things, but it is surely NOT the album the Orb missed to > do. > Don't get me wrong, I'm a Paul Mc Cartney / Beatles fan but I think Sir > Paul is better in writing silly love songs. It's great though that he tries > to compose different stuff. I suspect the reason he released this under a pseudonym (if it is indeed him), is so that people would evaluate the music on its own merit, rather than comparing it to his old singer/songwriter works. There's no doubt he could record more really good (anguished) love songs, and probably sell boatloads of them too. But as an artist, maybe he's tired of doing the same old thing. I think the album is really good, and keeps getting better every time I hear it. But then I really enjoy music that creates an atmosphere or mood. I suppose that's what draws me to "Orbus Terrarum" (my favorite Orb disk), and Eno's "The Drop", which almost nobody I know cares for. Oh well! :) Kim - - The Fireman Rushes... in, from the pouring rain, very strange! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 14:02:59 -0700 (MST) From: Mike Bailey Subject: Re: (orb) probe >I saw this recently too (been shopping at Vintage Vinyl?). There's also a Vol. Wow! I was only in St. Louis for a week, I didn't know anyone from the list was out there. I always stop there when I'm in town, end up spending way too much. Well, you're in a position to offer those three copies of Auntie Aubrey on vinyl to the list, anyway. Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 14:41:44 -0700 (MST) From: Mike Bailey Subject: (orb) article about mp3, etc. Found this on Gateway's web page. Kind of corporate-oriented, but interesting. Ignore if you wish, Mike Presented by Music industry fears advent of digital music player by Robert Lemos ZDNN Despite the massive changes the Internet has wrought on other industries, music companies have only slowly waltzed online -- and mainly for marketing, not to sell music. That tempo is about to change. "As you move to the Internet, what these [music companies] do -- move physical product to the consumer -- is not needed anymore," said Steve Grady, a spokesperson for online music dealer GoodNoise Corp. Grady, and others, see a not-too-distant future where music will be bought, sold and -- and most importantly -- delivered over the Internet. The first step will be taken on Monday, when PC hardware maker Diamond Multimedia Systems Inc. releases its portable digital music player, Rio PMP300. The Rio is the first player from a major hardware maker that can play music downloaded from the Internet. Ramping up production "From all indications, this is going to be a hot product," said Ken Wirt, vice president of corporate marketing for Diamond (Nasdaq: DIMD), at Comdex last week. The company plans to quickly ramp up its production to 10,000 units per week. The Rio promises to turn the music industry on its ear and accelerate digital distribution of music, giving more power to independent bands. All this in a package smaller than a Walkman and weighing less than a candy bar. While the player takes downloadable music offline, the heart of the dispute is the MP3 audio standard. The format delivers near-CD-quality music in files one-tenth the size of those on a compact disk. A five-minute song on CD may require 50MB, but the same song in MP3 format only requires 5MB -- allowing the music to reasonably be distributed over the Internet and fit into the relatively small memory of the Rio and other such players. Lack of security MP3's major drawback -- for the established music industry, at least -- is that it only compresses music and has no security to copy-protect songs. Once a song has been converted into the MP3 format, anyone can distribute the music over the Internet: A single copy or a million copies are only a few keystrokes away. That does not make the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) happy. Cary Sherman, senior executive vice president and general counsel for the association, which represents about 90 percent of the music industry, countered that the device could kill the industry by offering pirated music for free. "Leakage is an acceptable but undesirable business practice," said Sherman. "But when the leakage becomes a flood, the artists suffer." In fact, at present, the majority of MP3 music on the Internet is pirated copies of songs. That spells lost profits for the music industry, which is quick to claim that the Rio is not a step forward, but a step back. Opening the floodgates "Other companies -- that are just as smart as Diamond -- can easily turn flash memory technology into a player [like Rio], but they have waited for the content to be protected," said Sherman. With the Rio's release, that changes, he said. "Why should Sony wait when Diamond rakes in the money." Sherman's words are prophetic. Already, fearful of getting behind, Sony unveiled at Comdex possible products that use a proprietary memory format to store music, according to a report in the Wall Street journal. "This will have a domino effect," said Sherman. "Before you know it, artists won't be protected at all." Left unsaid, is the fear that the Internet will drastically redraw the lines of power in the music industry. The fear is real, because the Internet has changed entire industries already. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 14:11:19 -0700 (MST) From: Mike Bailey Subject: Re: (orb) The KLF / Chill Out >Anyway, can somebody give me the lowdown on the KLF? Which stuff is good >and which stuff is lame? I know there are some Orb connections, but what >are they exactly? What are these guys doing now? >Please forgive my ignorance. I've never cared about 'em until I heard how >cool this is. Please consider replying to the list. I'm curious as well. I got one of the KLF albums and was disappointed, but then again, that was the one there were 10 copies of in the used bin... Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 14:08:19 -0700 (MST) From: Mike Bailey Subject: Re: (orb) Russian translation needed >The first bit is the easy bit, almost. Sfyera (but not sfyora, according to >my little dictionary; i.e. *without* the dieresis on the E) means Orb, and >ubyezhishche (again, just E, not "ubyozh"...) is Asylum. Maybe the diereses >are just for visual effect, or there's something going on beyond my minimal >understanding of Russian. Cool, I never knew the two dots were called a dieresis. They were always called yo's in Russian class, vs. yeh's. Must be for visual effect -- although I distinctly remember a sample in some track or another where someone says "sfyora". Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 14:32:38 -0800 From: "sCt" Subject: Re: (orb) The KLF / Chill Out >>Anyway, can somebody give me the lowdown on the KLF? Which stuff is good >>and which stuff is lame? >Please consider replying to the list. I'm curious as well. I got one of >the KLF albums and was disappointed, but then again, that was the one there >were 10 copies of in the used bin... Well, I'm no KLF expert (I have to say this because it seems to me that people who consider themselves to be KLF experts are extremely anal and are very quick to flame people who spread misinformation), but the only KLF stuff that appeals to me has been their ambient projects -- everything else is kind of annoying and noisy to me, aside from the tracks I like for nostalgic reasons like "3 AM Eternal," etc.. The more ambient stuff I know of is "Chill Out," "The Rites Of Mu," and "Space." "Chill Out" is a must-have for all Orb fans -- It's considered by most to be an ambient classic. If you like "Chill Out," then "The Rites Of Mu" and "Space" are worth tracking down -- your best bet is a CDR from someone as it seems there are far more bootlegs of these floating around than actual copies. >I know there are some Orb connections, but what are they exactly? Stolen from allmusic.com: ...Cauty and Drummond's second novelty single, "Kylie Said to Jason" (credited to the KLF, or Kopyright Liberation Front), proved a flop in July 1989, so the pair changed directions later that year. Jettisoning the beats of their previous work but retaining the samples and effects, the duo played a major part in the development of the '90s boom in ambient music. Cauty and Drummond recorded the classic Chill Out album in late 1989, mixing source material from two DAT machines onto a cassette recorder during a live session. Concurrent to the Chill Out project, Cauty had actually formed another ambient-house forerunner, the Orb, with Dr. Alex Paterson. The duo recorded "A Huge Ever Growing Pulsating Brain That Rules from the Centre of the Ultraworld" in addition to material for an album, but split early in 1990. Cauty then deleted Paterson's contributions and released the results credited only as Space.)... >What are these guys doing now? That really depends on who you ask -- whatever the rumor of the week is. But in general, not much. I think the last release was the single "***k the Millenium" under the name 2K, which was pretty weak; and not much else released in the last few years. - -Scott # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:55:40 +0800 From: Kael Driscoll Subject: (orb) mmmmm... orb content hey orbies.... not a lot of orb content here, but hey... i just wanted to talk to you all at once... let me join the chorus of recommendation for The Boards of Canada... brilliant stuff! i "tested" it out on the weekend in the same way i tested all the orb records as they came out... a bit of stimulation, a bit of green stuff and a bit of inhalant abuse and good headphones.... IT GOES OFF! a couple of the songs are so reminiscent of 60's/70's documentary music that its really freaky... its great to find artists that seem to share the same sense of wonderment and mystery as the Orb thanks to all who passed on good comments about it, because its really nice to find something unique on a more selfish note, a have a heap of vinyl for sale... a couple of orb items in there, plus a few related bits and pieces... mainly classic techno stuff... please email me privately for the list before i put it on the web... and lastly (and orbly) i have decided to give my UK copy of UFOff to my little sister for christmas... because its not just for blah blah blah its for life :) later all and happy holidays :) Kael # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:34:29 -0800 From: MoonDogg Subject: Re: (orb) the gap uhhh...isn't that what advertising is all about? getting your attention with things that are interesting of attractive to you? I don't see anything wrong with that, and I definitely appreciate a good quality commercial that is artistic or inventive in some way... unfortunately those seem to be few and far between. VW has always had unique and original ads, since the very beginning....and I am not sure what the fact that they are made in Mexico has to do anything. - ----===MoonDogg--> Blaine Cook on 12/12/98 10:59:35 AM To: Orb Mailing List cc: Subject: Re: (orb) the gap ;-) I thought that commercial was quite irritating, actually... I'm not one big on malls or stores like the gap in the first place.. The commercials seem to me to be a blatant grab at what people find interesting today (re: electronic music, a mellowed-out rave scene, eyecandy, etc...) and putting a face to it (re: gap). I don't particularily like VW either [all the new beatles are made in mexico] but at least their commercial used _good_ music :-) blaine # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:42:29 +0000 From: MICHAEL_KENNEDY@derwentside.ac.uk (MICHAEL KENNEDY) Subject: (orb) lfc the hmv website now has litttle fluffy clouds (mixes) down for release today (14th dec) anyone seen it? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:45:19 -0000 From: "Phil Blake" Subject: (orb) LFC 98 I had a phonecall from a friend today to say the the LFC 98 double 12" has been released. He bought one for £6.99 from HMV. Phil. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:06:09 -0600 From: lysergic maximus Subject: (orb) leaving time... sorry for the massive crosspost... for all those concerned, i have cancelled access to this account due to an impending move... those interested may contact me at either lysergic@txdirect.net or lysergicdream@hotmail.com thanks for all the conversation and i may be rejoining you all after this move... acid out... * Post Mortem Telepathy, the lysergic dream mailing list! to subscribe send mail to: majordomo@hollyfeld.org with the command 'subscribe pm-telepathy email@addy'!* The Lysergic Dream - Cult of the Dying Streetlamp - Coming soon on Uncle Buzz Records Now In Progress: The Post Mortem Telepathy Remix Project check out the website for the full story http://www.unclebuzz.com/lysergicdream/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:33:45 PST From: "Nick 99" Subject: (orb) ORB!!!! Hi all. To clear up one thing, I was not putting down D&B music, I was just saying that you should'nt put down the Orb for using it in their music, because it adds to it a bit, and I think their new stuff is great. I don't listen to D&B, but I think it's just fine, I own some stuff, but I prefer keyboard stuff and not just beats. So I agree totally with you, Tripp! Also, I don't live in a midwestern small town, I livein a Florida redneck town. I was on the net not long ago and I found this Orb remix, can't remember exactly what it was called, it was something like Molten Love berlin film mix, something like that. Does anyone know anything about that? - -Nick ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:33:50 -0600 (CST) From: "Mr. Charlie C Ludwig" Subject: Re: (orb) ORB!!!! Molten Love (berlin film mix) can be found on the promo-only release Orbscure Trax (put out as a giveaway / radio play promo with Orblivion). its a quite good disc.. you can find copies here and there if you look hard enough, though it is a bit pricey (i think there was 5000 copies made.. ?) check the discog for tracklistings and whatnot.. hope i could help, charlie spinning: portishead - live @ roseland, nyc On Mon, 14 Dec 1998, Nick 99 wrote: > > Hi all. > To clear up one thing, I was not putting down D&B music, I was > just saying that you should'nt put down the Orb for using it in > their music, because it adds to it a bit, and I think their new > stuff is great. I don't listen to D&B, but I think it's just > fine, I own some stuff, but I prefer keyboard stuff and not just > beats. So I agree totally with you, Tripp! Also, I don't live in a > midwestern small town, I livein a Florida redneck town. > I was on the net not long ago and I found this Orb remix, can't > remember exactly what it was called, it was something like > Molten Love berlin film mix, something like that. Does anyone > know anything about that? > -Nick # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:44:01 -0000 From: "Phil Blake" Subject: Re: (orb) ORB!!!! >I was on the net not long ago and I found this Orb remix, can't >remember exactly what it was called, it was something like >Molten Love berlin film mix, something like that. Does anyone >know anything about that? >-Nick You ca hear it (or download it if you've got xfileget) from www.theorb.com Phil. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of orb-digest V2 #147 *************************