From: owner-orb-digest@lists.xmission.com (orb-digest) To: orb-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: orb-digest V2 #159 Reply-To: orb-digest Sender: owner-orb-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-orb-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes orb-digest Wednesday, January 20 1999 Volume 02 : Number 159 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:20:36 -0600 From: torq@mo.net Subject: (orb) Mime-Version: 1.0 you know, i would suspect, given the tone of his statements, that scott isnt even on the list anymore. so your pleas may be falling on deaf ears, everyone. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:35:19 PST From: "E O" Subject: Re: (orb) Another Orb site All may not be lost. Has anybody else checked this out. For all of you that had MP3'ed stuff, mabey you could send it here. I would certainly like that. - -E - ----Original Message Follows---- >Just wanted to let everyone know that I am setting up another >archive of orb files at http://www.mocker.org/~orb/, and >ftp.mocker.org/pub/orb/. It's not complete yet, but it's being >worked on ;). If you want to upload something, just put it in the >incoming directory with a text telling me where to put it. The box >is on a T1 running ncftpd (under Linux) so speeds should be fairly >good. > >-Kyle Sexton >ks@mocker.org ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:41:14 -0800 (PST) From: steve robles Subject: Re: (orb) Mime-Version: 1.0 sorry, wrong. just talked to scott today. his ears aren't deaf. ;) he's just busy clearing them out from about two weeks worth of dogshit. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:14:38 -0800 From: "sCt" Subject: Re: (orb) Mime-Version: 1.0 >you know, i would suspect, given the tone of his statements, that scott >isnt even on the list anymore. so your pleas may be falling on deaf ears, >everyone. No, I'm still on the list because I'm still a huge Orb fan, that's why I'm on the list in the first place. And I haven't necessarily decided that I won't ever host an MP3 FTP site again. I wanted to say that I appreciate the flood of support email I've received. Thanks to everyone. A couple of points I would like to bring up: Don made me aware that the Front 242 remixes were in print. Cool. Thanks. They won't be there if I bring the site up again. By the way, 2 of those 5 remixes happened to be uploaded originally by Mr Ludwig and company. I've said it a million times (ok, exaggeration), if any files were in question, I would take them away -- Don was the very first person to point out any MP3's that were still in print, and I thank him for it. I have never had correspondence with any of the previous ambassadors of the OAA except Charlie, and the last time Mr Ludwig attempted to contact me was Dec. 16 (the day I announced to the list that the "OAA" was up!); so you can see why his "out of the blue" comments infuriated me. By the way, I have emailed Charlie privately asking "what the hell?" and I haven't heard back yet. OK, I'm gonna stop now, because I hate complainers as much as the next guy, and this list is not the place to settle crap like this, so let me just say this: If I put a new FTP site up, it won't be the OAA, the name alone makes me want to puke; it will maintain the same credo as the OAA, except that I will be happy to include bootleg, out of print, or live files by other genre-related bands like System 7, Underworld, Sun Electric, KLF, etc. I am currently compiling a list of people who are ineterested in obtaining access to a new site, and I intend on handling all updates, problems, correspondence, etc relating to this site separate from the Orb list (i.e. via private email). It just seems that the Orb list is a happier place without any "OAA" nonsense, and if I have to deal with as much grief as I did with my brief stint as OAA hoster, I won't do it. I'm trying to do a good deed, I know that sounds corny, but really, I am -- it sucks to hear so many people just complain about the amount of email they get related to the OAA on the list, or complain about whatever -- I just hate hearing people complain!! So anyways, have faith fellow Orb fans -- I know there are at least 3 other people who have been interested in hosting the OAA -- If any of them contact me again, I'll be sure to direct them to our friend, Mr Ludwig, since he has claimed the OAA to be his own beast (along with Mathew Glidden whom I've never spoken to (i think)). As far as an FTP site goes on my server, it won't be the OAA (although it will have all the same files and then some), and it won't be discussed on this list. Oh, if anyone here has experience with Portable Minidisc recorder setups, can you get in touch with me? I'm about to drop some cash on a recorder and microphones and I wanted some opinions....... Thanks. I'm thinking of getting the Sony MZR-55 and a set of cardioid mic's from The Sound Professionals. Peace out, Scott I # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:24:02 -0600 From: "james l. rich" Subject: (orb) timelords 7" f/a Hello all. Bid on my item while we're waiting for the OAA to come back up :) I need money to buy a cd-r :) 1988 TVT 7": The timelords: Doctorin' the tardis b/ gary in the tardis Thick Glossy cardboard sleeve, in great condition, bidding starts at only 2.99: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=58470691 Thanks for this free, shameless promotion. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:36:13 -0600 From: Dave Morton Subject: (orb) mocker.org Whoever owns the mocker.org ftp site, you might want to set it up so = that we can upload to the incoming directories using an anonymous = password, or tell us what password to use so that we can use it. I = tried to upload some stuff, but I wasn't able to because I kept getting = permission denied notices. I'm sure the people here wouldn't mind = uploading Orb stuffs to the web site, but we need to have write access = to the incoming directories in order for that to work. Thanx, Dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 21:13:35 -0000 From: "Phil Blake" Subject: Re: (orb) Press review - -----Original Message----- From: DERRIEN Jice >Spot : Volkswagen's spinning Beetle >You hear : A woman rhapsodizing : the sunsets were purple and red and >yellow..." over catchy electronica. >The song : The Orb's Little Fluffy clouds from 1991's The Orb's adventures >beyond the ultraworld. (...)" This has been mentioned before, what countries has this been shown in? As the beetle is not yet on sale in the U.K. we have'nt had this yet. I hope we get the same ad when the car goes on sale here. Phil. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:29:51 -0600 From: blue room Subject: FTPFTPFTPFTTGGRFGDR [Was: Re: (orb) mocker.org] ARRRRGHHHHGHHH! br - sick of hearing about FTP. ps** I will be setting up a -telnet- site where you can log in and receive the mp3s that way. The address and login will be so secret, I will tend to forget what it/they are. But for now, address: 127.0.0.1 user: idiot pw: howaboutsomefreakingORBcontent np: Andrea Parker - Kiss My ARP (toys factory) Killer disc so far... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 00:24:37 -0500 (EST) From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: RE: (orb) The OAA I felt I should take responsibility for these, since they're all mine... > Crapage - Never Hurry a Murray Mix (available on the single Religion just > re-released by RRE Belgium: RRE M59589) > Crapage - turd mix(available on the single Religion just re-released by RRE > Belgium: RRE M59589) This I thought was still out of print, apparently I was mistaken. > Crapage - orb float or sink mix (available on Mut@ge Mix@ge on "Play it > Again Sam" records) > > Rhythm of Time - orb messengers of neptune mix(available on Mut@ge Mix@ge on > "Play it Again Sam" records) > > Rhythm of Time - orb victor the cleaner mix(available on the single Rhythm > of Time just re-released by RRE Belgium: RRE M59590) Actually I got all of these off of Mixage Mutage, which I also thought was out of print. All I can do is apologize to anyone, especially scott who took the blame here instead of me, as I was the one who contributed all of those files... Sorry people. So scott, if you so desire, remove said files and please (PLEASE!) bring back the OAA, as I'm just fucking dying to hear some of those bootlegs someone else from the list said he'd ripped. Again, sorrys all around, esp. to Front 242 and the Orb crew. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:38:59 GMT From: Smiley@cracl.demon.co.uk (Smiley) Subject: (orb) ORBULLETIN: latest orb news... # This is an Orb announcement from the ORBULLETINS mailing list. ORBULLETINS # help is available by emailing "info orbulletins" to majordomo@xmission.com. # We're now on the web at http://www.theorb.com latest info, courtesy of the band's management: The guys were writing/mixing in Capri just before Christmas and as we speak they are back in London editing the forthcoming album. The word on the street is there will be a single out in April followed by the album in May - - as always these dates are not set in stone so be prepared for the dates to be delayed - I will keep you posted of any developments. cheers. - -- Smiley spares list: http://come.to/SmileyWeb coming soon: http://welcome.to/DavidHolmes # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:47:18 +0100 From: DERRIEN Jice Subject: (orb) Orb related records I found today at a bargain sales two orb related records... kind of. *A remix compilation from a Japanese group called Soft Ballet : Soft Ballet Forms remix : remix for ordinary people SSR/Crammed Discs with a Greg Hunter remix : U (double u) 7.30 Contains also Ian Tregoning, Autechre, Black Dog, Global Communication and Carl Craig remixes * A double german CD called "Space Night" 1996 (EastWest/Warner) It seems to be the score from a Tv serie about space, probably a documentary like "For all mankind". Lots of "unknown to me" but cool ambient tracks, an Underworld remix of Leftfield, a short mix of a Global Communication track and... The Orb : Earth (Gaia) 7.54 Seems to be the album version, though. It would be great to see this tv serie with such a cool score. Have you heard of that, Robert ? Is there a German Orb fan on the list ? All the booklet is in German :( JCFromParis On now : Aural Float - Introspection # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:51:43 +0100 From: DERRIEN Jice Subject: (orb) Spacenight There's a site : www.spacenight.de JCFromParis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:48:51 -0600 (CST) From: darylsd Subject: (orb) ummm, does the Orb sell over 200k copies? Ok, don't laugh, but I was watching mtv news...it was about this merger between 2 large record companies that own many smaller record companies. I forgot what the parent companies were, but they're merging together to make 1 slimmer, "better", world class record label... some of the 'smaller labels' owned by the parent companies who were in the merger were Island, Interscope and at least 10 others. They also said U2 was leaving Island... Also mentioned was that bands who sold less than 200,000 records may be dropped or may have their stuff put on hold because of the transition... Did anybody else see this? Does the Orb sell that many records? Will the new album be delayed because of this? np:funeral music for the OAA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:55:36 EST5EDT From: "Vince Frank" Subject: Re: (orb) ummm, does the Orb sell over 200k copies? > some of the 'smaller labels' owned by the parent companies who were in > the merger were Island, Interscope and at least 10 others. They also > said U2 was leaving Island... ===>Good riddance--I always hated U2.... :-P > Also mentioned was that bands who sold less than 200,000 records may be > dropped or may have their stuff put on hold because of the transition... > > Did anybody else see this? Does the Orb sell that many records? Will the > new album be delayed because of this? ===>Couldn't say for sure, but I'm almost willing to bet that they don't sell that many--at least not in the U.S.... Apparently the Orb sells quite better in the U.K..... Didn't U.F.Orb (their second album) debut at #1? Anyway, isn't 200,000 or 250,000 units considered "Gold" in the U.S., and 500,000 is platinum? (I believe the standards are different in the U.K. and Europe....) I'd almost be willing to bet my right hand that no Orb album has ever "gone Gold" in the U.S..... This is quite disturbing news. Maybe a label like Cleopatra would pick them up.... Later! Vince # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:02:42 EST From: Telly8292@aol.com Subject: Re: (orb) The OAA yes i agree with you Colin. Scott's site should stay up, and whoever don't like it....don't go to the site. ~Nick~ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:37:37 EST From: Orbfile23@aol.com Subject: (orb) BREAK-----IN CASE OF CORPORATE PINK-O SLIME!!!!! Hello!! Skidoo here, Vince wrote: > ===>Good riddance--I always hated U2.... :-P Speak for yourself.............U2 always puts out good material...some better than most.......but at least I can listen to them. I don't own everything by U2, but they have my vote when it comes to popular music by a band that refuses to stay the same. I respect that in U2. I think they would be leaving Island if their label wasn't going to let them do their art anymore. Island had always let U2 do what they want before. Maybe this change won't anymore. If this happens for the Orb, I hope they leave Island too. I would rather hear an ORB album, then a Orb album made under the supervision of some dumb corporate pig-dog. Same goes for any band that listens to a corporate pig-dog, instead of making their own art. Skidoo here # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:58:12 -0700 From: KingMob Subject: (orb) Pulsating sounds? Can somebody please tell me where the "Pulsating Sounds of the Orb" was recorded at? Also, what was the date of that show. Thanks jphill@bigsky.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:30:09 PST From: "E O" Subject: Re: (orb) Pulsating sounds? I'd like to know that as well. - -E - ----Original Message Follows---- Can somebody please tell me where the "Pulsating Sounds of the Orb" was recorded at? Also, what was the date of that show. Thanks jphill@bigsky.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 00:10:22 +0100 From: marcolphus Subject: (orb) A little Off-Topic - Discographies Center Hi everyone!! I've a little request: I've started something new (and good I think) on my page: http://www.free.com.pl/markolf called "Discographies Center". Can you tell me what do you think about it??? - -- === move dance go bald ======= http://www.free.com.pl/markolf === === discographies center : find band's discography on the web === # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:22:54 -0800 (PST) From: Gavin Miller Subject: Re: (orb) Pulsating sounds? > Can somebody please tell me where the "Pulsating Sounds of the Orb" was > recorded at? > Also, what was the date of that show. Thanks > jphill@bigsky.net I believe Brixton Fridge, UK 5/12/91 (off the top of my head) and is the show that the orb used for the Patterns and Textures video, pre-remixing. I heard that they removed AHEGPB and added Earth (gaia), which is how the setlist changed as the tour progressed. I know this is pretty odd, but I can't guarantee it's accuracy. I did get this info from a relatively acurate source. It's an FM broadcast recording, as was the Brixton Fridge show. Gavin _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 05:46:44 -0600 From: cl Subject: Re: (orb) ummm, does the Orb sell over 200k copies? Vince Frank wrote: > > > some of the 'smaller labels' owned by the parent companies who were in > > the merger were Island, Interscope and at least 10 others. They also > > said U2 was leaving Island... > > ===>Good riddance--I always hated U2.... :-P > > > Also mentioned was that bands who sold less than 200,000 records may be > > dropped or may have their stuff put on hold because of the transition... > > > > Did anybody else see this? Does the Orb sell that many records? Will the > > new album be delayed because of this? > > ===>Couldn't say for sure, but I'm almost willing to bet that they > don't sell that many--at least not in the U.S.... Apparently the > Orb sells quite better in the U.K..... Didn't U.F.Orb (their second > album) debut at #1? Anyway, isn't 200,000 or 250,000 units > considered "Gold" in the U.S., and 500,000 is platinum? (I believe > the standards are different in the U.K. and Europe....) I'd almost > be willing to bet my right hand that no Orb album has ever "gone > Gold" in the U.S..... > in the us 500000 is gold, 1 million for plat. here is news on the merger- >Hey ya'll here are figures from today's Los Angeles Times that denote what is >supposed to happen Thursday in the Uni-Polygram layoffs. > >This is phase one of the downsizing. Artist cuts will be slower than employee >cuts according to the times. The Merger will be complete this July. > >Thursday: >300 Employees in LA >200 Employees in NY >buh-bye > >Here's the breakdown: >Geffen + A&M--> Interscope (new co. called IGA) >A&M = 170 Employees of 200 cut & 45 0f 65 acts cut >Geffen = 115 out of 145 employees cut & 45 of 70 acts cut >Interscope = 20 of 70 acts cut. Layoffs unknown. > >Mercury +Island + Def Jam >Mercury = 60 of 150 people cut & 110 out of 140 acts cut >Island = 40 out of 100 people cut & 25 out of 70 acts cut > >Motown--->MCA >68 of 75 employees cut. Roster cuts not stated. > >MCA Music Publishing >120 of 370 staff cut i would be surpised if the orb came anywhere near 200000 units per release. cl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:22:18 -0800 (PST) From: Gavin Miller Subject: Re: (orb) ummm, does the Orb sell over 200k copies? How Disgusting! in a war of money vs. talent, money is winning again. More Matchbox 20, Third Eye Blind, Mariah Carey... Less Orb, Tricky and everybody else that they see fit. The Rich get richer... What are the chances that the Orb is in the 45 acts still signed? Gavin > here is news on the merger- > > >Hey ya'll here are figures from today's Los Angeles Times that denote what is > >supposed to happen Thursday in the Uni-Polygram layoffs. > > > >This is phase one of the downsizing. Artist cuts will be slower than employee > >cuts according to the times. The Merger will be complete this July. > >Mercury +Island + Def Jam > >Mercury = 60 of 150 people cut & 110 out of 140 acts cut > >Island = 40 out of 100 people cut & 25 out of 70 acts cut _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:37:19 PST From: "Dan G." Subject: (orb) Re: orb-digest V2 #158 >Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 05:08:15 -0600 (CST) >From: "Mr. Charlie C Ludwig" >Subject: (orb) this so called "OAA".. > >hello all you fellow orbies.. > > >there seems to be this problem going on within the list. its called >greed. its called exploitation. its called Scott's version of the Orb >Audio Archive..... blah blah blah... Sorry that this is a little late but i get the digest version. Het Charlie!!! Why havent you responded to the questions? What was your specific problem with the OAA? What was greedy about it? That some of us were excited to get the music we love? That isn't greed, it's called happiness. Methinks you have your head on wrong, Mr Grinch. It sounds to me like you had nothing to do with it and you got a little (a lot) jealous. You ruined a good thing for a lot of Orb fans and I get the feeling you are now happy that there is some attention being paid to you. I, for one, will have a bad feeling everytime I see your name posted on this list. Sorry to those of you who are sick of the flames, but when I get upset, I feel better if I let it out. Thank you for your patience... danx PS Was there really too much email about the OAA? It's not like the list is overflowing with other stuff. It is Orb related and on top of that Scott told people to email HIM with OAA questions. It obviously excited a lot of Orbsters and I think that excitement belongs on the list. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:45:11 -0600 From: "Sean Wolfe" Subject: Re: (orb) ummm, does the Orb sell over 200k copies? vfrank@sfcpa.edu Said: ===>Couldn't say for sure, but I'm almost willing to bet that they don't sell that many--at least not in the U.S.... Apparently the Orb sells quite better in the U.K..... Didn't U.F.Orb (their second album) debut at #1? Anyway, isn't 200,000 or 250,000 units considered "Gold" in the U.S., and 500,000 is platinum? (I believe the standards are different in the U.K. and Europe....) I'd almost be willing to bet my right hand that no Orb album has ever "gone Gold" in the U.S..... - ------------ No I believe Gold is 500,000 Units Shipped, and Platinum is 1,000,000 units shipped. This is kinda funny becahse it means how many units have shipped from the Holding companies to the stores or Distributors, not how many units have actually sold. Another bit of Trivia... Pink Floyd's - Dark Side of the Moon has the most sales.. Went Platinum 13 times i belive... 13,000,000 Dark Side of the Moon's!!! Yikes! Maybe it's becasue they have RERERERE- Mastered it about 40 times! Sean # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:21:22 -0600 (CST) From: darylsd Subject: (orb) Merger News (fwd) here's the details about what i mentioned earlier.... Hopefully the Orb isn't 1 of the 25 cut... - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 19 Jan 99 20:28:26 -0400 From: Jeff Waye/Ninja Tune Oh, isn't the record industry fun when someone decides to trade their orange juice stocks for a record company...you know they're in it for the music. >Hey ya'll here are figures from today's Los Angeles Times that denote what is >supposed to happen Thursday in the Uni-Polygram layoffs. > >This is phase one of the downsizing. Artist cuts will be slower than employee >cuts according to the times. The Merger will be complete this July. > >Thursday: >300 Employees in LA >200 Employees in NY >buh-bye > >Here's the breakdown: >Geffen + A&M--> Interscope (new co. called IGA) >A&M = 170 Employees of 200 cut & 45 0f 65 acts cut >Geffen = 115 out of 145 employees cut & 45 of 70 acts cut >Interscope = 20 of 70 acts cut. Layoffs unknown. > >Mercury +Island + Def Jam >Mercury = 60 of 150 people cut & 110 out of 140 acts cut >Island = 40 out of 100 people cut & 25 out of 70 acts cut > >Motown--->MCA >68 of 75 employees cut. Roster cuts not stated. > >MCA Music Publishing >120 of 370 staff cut # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:13:08 -0700 (MST) From: Mike Bailey Subject: Re: (orb) Re: orb-digest V2 #158 >PS Was there really too much email about the OAA? It's not like the list >is overflowing with other stuff. It is Orb related and on top of that >Scott told people to email HIM with OAA questions. It obviously excited >a lot of Orbsters and I think that excitement belongs on the list. Seconded, agreed, etc. The only other thing that pops up a lot of days is auctions, and OAA emails can at least be read without financial danger. :) Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 20:51:54 -0500 From: matthew glidden Subject: (orb) oaa blahblah (don't bother reading if yer sick of it) At 02:14 PM 1/19/99 -0800, you wrote: >So anyways, have faith fellow Orb fans -- I know there are at least 3 other >people who have been interested in hosting the OAA -- If any of them contact >me again, I'll be sure to direct them to our friend, Mr Ludwig, since he has >claimed the OAA to be his own beast (along with Mathew Glidden whom I've >never spoken to (i think)). As far as an FTP site goes on my server, it >won't be the OAA (although it will have all the same files and then some), >and it won't be discussed on this list. my name is matthew glidden, and since my name's been brought up a few times, i guess i owe it to the list (or the 5% of people actually still interested in this stuff) to say something. a couple years ago i proposed the idea of the OAA to the list and there was debate then, it went up and went down several times over the past couple years (mostly being down, sadly). anyway, we were always looking for people to host (charlie ludwig and i, who eventually took at least as much interest in the whole thing as i did...) and scott apparently offered up his server, which was set up and worked pretty well from what i hear (i only went on a couple times and looked around)..i spoke only to scott once, i think, but i don't really remember too much of what was said (i doubt much of any importance). since my ideal OAA was always going to be on a web server (versus ftp), i really didn't take that much interest in scott's site. let this be said, i don't care what scott puts on his ftp..if he's advertising to the list, i'd hope it would be non-available stuff (which i think was his intention, i don't think he purposely put anything up to rip people off). one thing that annoyed me was when people were like "upload that underworld show! upload the sun electric album! blahblah"..i don't remember who was doing it or whatever, or what scott's responses were..it doesn't really matter. as far as the naming of the thing goes, the orb audio archive isn't the most creative name, but i do think i came up with it and all that..i don't really have a problem with anybody calling their site that either, because it's obviously just what the site is..what i did have a minor problem with is calling it that and not really having input from us..it's not my intention to do that so charlie and i get props or whatever on the list, i just think it's the right thing to do. i don't think scott purposely ditched us looking for fame, i think there was just a miscommunication somewhere along the line and i never got involved. so, anyway, in summary...i don't have any hard feelings for scott..i think he tried, and certainly helped out a lot of people. i also hope the list doesn't have hard feelings for charlie or i, there's miscommunication going on and people taking stuff the wrong way. i hope scott opens up "scott's ftp" or whatever , because it sounds like he wants to do a similar thing for related bands too, which i think is cool... anyway, a new OAA is in the process of opening up at Kyle Sexton's http://www.mocker.org/~orb , and ftp://mocker.org/pub/orb/mp3/ it's still rebuilding, but hopefully we'll be able to eventually get all the goodies back there (and anyone who wants to contribute live/out-of-print stuff can contact us). i guess that's it. please don't think we suck, or wanted scott to take down his site. my intention is also not to start a bunch of new mail to the list on this subject..if you want to talk about the orb in real-time (or say us OAA guys suck) you can go to #thEorb on EFNet IRC.. sergio. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:00:25 -0500 From: "Pascal V. Calarco" Subject: Re: (orb) Merger News Press release for the Polygram/Universal merger is at: http://www.universalstudios.com/music/press/release121098.htm I found one particularly good article at: http://omaha.com/OWH/Storypage/ViewIt/1,1344,85609,00.html Title: "Musicians Face the Ax in Merger" The Seagram Company bought Polygram NV for $10.4 billion to create the huge new company. And now, hopefully back to some Orb content . . . cheers, pascal - -+t+-+t+-+t+-+t+-+t+-+t+-+t+-+t+-+t+-+t+-+t+-+t+-+t+-+t+-+t+ Pascal V. Calarco, MLIS e-mail: pvcalarc@vcu.edu Advanced Technologies Librarian, ICQ #: 3736376 Virginia Commonwealth University Richmond, VA tel. (804) 827-0067 -or- http://www.vcu.edu/ (804) 828-0626 - -+t+-+t+-+t+-+t+-+t+-+t+-+t+-+t+-+t+-+t+-+t+-+t+-+t+-+t+-+t+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:56:17 -0500 From: "Neil Kelly" Subject: Re: (orb) ummm, does the Orb sell over 200k copies? >Another bit of Trivia... Pink Floyd's - Dark Side of the Moon has the most >sales.. Went Platinum 13 times i belive... 13,000,000 Dark Side of the >Moon's!!! Yikes! Maybe it's becasue they have RERERERE- Mastered it about >40 times! Nope, try the Eagles Greatest Hits 71-75 (25 million) and Thriller (25 million). Dark Side isn't even Floyd's biggest seller - the Wall is third all time with 22 million. (Dark Side comes in at 15 million. Impressive, but far down the list.) The Orb has not had a US Gold album, single or video. Of the bands related to the Orb, the KLF has probably done the best (duh). The White Room album went gold on 12/4/91. The 3 AM Eternal single went gold 8/23/91. All information from the RIAA database available at www.riaa.com. - -neil http://travel.to/ct-highways # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 06:00:56 GMT From: William Graham Subject: Re: (orb) ummm, does the Orb sell over 200k copies? Hi, You write: > some of the 'smaller labels' owned by the parent companies who were in > the merger were Island, Interscope and at least 10 others. They also > said U2 was leaving Island... Well one of the parents involved must be PolyGram, because Island Records is now owned by PolyGram. Look on your U.F.Off CD's... they say Island - A PolyGram company on them. (Mine also say "made in Germnay" on them.) > Also mentioned was that bands who sold less than 200,000 records may be > dropped or may have their stuff put on hold because of the transition... > > Did anybody else see this? Does the Orb sell that many records? Will the > new album be delayed because of this? I'm sure that (1) the orb sell far more than 200,000 of each album, and (2) the merger won't affect the day-to-day operations at Island too much. It is unfortunate that corporate greed in the music distribution business once again will squelch smaller bands who are just getting established. -william Graham - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:50:27 -0800 (PST) From: Blaine Cook Subject: Re: (orb) ummm, does the Orb sell over 200k copies? I haven't heard of the orb breaking gold, and I don't think it's unreasonable that they wouldn't sell 200K records. Techno/Ambient after all does have a very limited audience. Country Music is obscure to me because I don't listen to it, and I doubt many people that listen to country even have the faintest imaginings of the kind of music that I listen to (eg, warp, rephlex, orb, fsol, skinny puppy, etc) Afaik, Skinny Puppy hasn't even gone gold. I've been to the nettwerk head offices a couple of times, and they have lots of Sarah McLauglan gold awards on the walls, but no skinny puppy ones. And Skinny Puppy was bigger than the orb, and have been around for a lot longer. As to your second point, I think if you looked at the number of people losing their jobs, and the number of bands being dropped as a result of this merger, the day-to-day operations at Island, along with many of the other labels, _will_ change considerably. We as end-consumers probably won't notice much of a change (other than a reduced catalogue, which is bad enough), but the for the people that [no longer] work there, there will be an immense change. At least we can hope for some good new indie labels and a strengthening of the current labels. Maybe the Orb will go on Warp ;-) blaine On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, William Graham wrote: > I'm sure that (1) the orb sell far more than 200,000 of each album, and > (2) the merger won't affect the day-to-day operations at Island too much. > > It is unfortunate that corporate greed in the music distribution business > once again will squelch smaller bands who are just getting established. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:44:18 -0800 From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (orb) ummm, does the Orb sell over 200k copies? Vince Frank wrote: > This is quite disturbing news. Maybe a label like Cleopatra > would pick them up.... *Not* Cleopatra...they have a history even worse than Big Life, from what I've been able to gather. At this point, they would have no problem finding a labrl, if they are dropped in the re-org. They don't have blockbusters, but they do have a steady fanbase that any less-than-major label would love to sell to. My biggest concern is that this will slide back the album, even more than it already has been. Chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of orb-digest V2 #159 *************************