From: owner-orb-digest@lists.xmission.com (orb-digest) To: orb-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: orb-digest V2 #239 Reply-To: orb-digest Sender: owner-orb-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-orb-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes orb-digest Thursday, September 9 1999 Volume 02 : Number 239 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 18:33:32 +0000 From: Ed Blackshaw Subject: Re: RE: (orb) french fries and electricity # > # > "You've just had a heavy session of electro-shock therapy, and you're more # > relaxed than you've been in weeks..." "All your childhood traumas have been washed away... Along with most of your personality" Or something like that... I'll have to go home and listen to PF now. -~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~- | Ed Blackshaw, School of Chemistry | ( Organic Section ) ) University of Bristol ( ( Tel. (internal) ext. 4252 ) ) Ed.Blackshaw@bristol.ac.uk ( ( ) ) "We're not dropping out here, we're infiltrating ( ( and taking over." ) ) ( | http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/~cheab | -~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 13:10:46 PDT From: "Dan G." Subject: (orb) Re: techno stores in NY. Hey andy, Try Liquid Sky/Temple REcords by Lafayette and Spring. And Throb Records in the east village (not sure where). Those are the two I liked when I lived in NY. (2 years ago). Although I did wind up buying most of my ORB cd's at Tower Records on Broadway near 8th(?) L8r danx np: Profound Sounds Vol 1. - Josh Wink. > >Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:36:32 -0400 >From: "Andy" >Subject: Re: (orb) stickin' it to ya > ... > >And to end this long boring message, can any NYC Orbies direct me to some >eclectic/world/techno/DJ record [or CD] shops? > >Alright you all have a great day and don't forget to remember... > > > >Andy > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 23:30:41 +0200 From: "Anya" Subject: (orb) kwik intro. ->Re: techno stores in NY. I've been lurking on this list for a while now so I thought I'd take the opportunity to say Hi all! My name's Anya, I live in Germany, and yes, I like The Orb. I don't own much by them though for there's sooo much good music out there, and I just can't keep up... :) Andy - You could also try Satellite Recordings at 342 Bowery. I've never been myself but I know someone with a fine taste in music who used to work there. They have a very good reputation for online ordering as well, check their site at http://www.satelliterecords.com/ Have fun in NYC! Boy, do I love that city *sigh*... Well, nice to 'meet' and read y'all! Any more peeps on this list living in Germany, btw.? :) Take care, Anya Dan G. wrote on Sept 06, 1999, 10:10pm cest: > [...]Try Liquid Sky/Temple REcords by Lafayette > and Spring. And Throb Records in > the east village (not sure where). Those are the > two I liked when I lived in > NY. (2 years ago). > Although I did wind up buying most of my ORB > cd's at Tower Records on > Broadway near 8th(?)[...] > > > > >Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:36:32 -0400 > >From: "Andy" > >Subject: Re: (orb) stickin' it to ya > > > ... > > > >And to end this long boring message, can any > >NYC Orbies direct me to some > >eclectic/world/techno/DJ record [or CD] shops? end http://www.thehungersite.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 13:40:42 +0100 From: RFitzgerald@vision-consulting.com Subject: (orb) Orb + MBM "Peter Henry" wrote: >>"I've never heard any music like this in my life, and if I >>have, I don't know where I've heard it." >>-The Orb > >I heard this sample on a Meat Beat Manifesto song. Where is it from??? > >- -Pete > Well, I've never heard a MBM song with that sample, but the sample of "Hey....wait a minute" from Toxygene is used on a track from MBM's Subliminal Sandwich album; what with Jack and LX being mates, one of them probably swapped it for a mars bar or something with the other! I think the sample comes from Die Hard 3 - but I can't be sure, I haven't seen the film; but I remember someone on this list mentioning it before.... Off the topic a bit....but theres another band who should have a new album out, MBM. Now waiting for FSOL, Orb, Yes and MBM.... :) RoNAn P.S. At least Coil managed to get their last album out this summer, but then again, they produced their album themselves, instead of going for the "corporate/money beast" that is a record label! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 22:05:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Gavin Miller Subject: Re: (orb) Orb + MBM > >>"I've never heard any music like this in my life, > and if I > >>have, I don't know where I've heard it." > >>-The Orb > > > >I heard this sample on a Meat Beat Manifesto song. > Where is it from??? > Well, I've never heard a MBM song with that sample I have. "The Circular Cosmic Spot" on the Edge Of No Control single is where you can find it. MBM uses more of the bit, too. > Off the topic a bit....but theres another band who > should have a new album out, > MBM. Actual Sounds And Voices album was released October 6, 1998. Acid Again was the single, with the sample of Ricki Lee Jones talking about drugs, which was first used by My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult on "Confessions Of A Knife" lp. http://www.brainwashed.com/mbm Gavin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 22:33:06 -0700 From: "David Aldous" Subject: (orb) An Invitation Hello fellow orbsters, just to let you all know that i put up 22 orb and related pieces at Ebay, many of which would be considered some of the rarest you could ever want. so they're all pretty much closing on or around the 14th, so good luck. Dekoy a/k/a Decoy a/k/a david.ferfolya Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://my.lycos.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 22:31:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Gavin Miller Subject: Re: (orb) Hello. > Anybody want to update me on what's happened over > the past year? Qite simple. Nothing, as far as releases go. THe Orb were denied a 1999 release date for their new album by Island for some pathetic excuse. There is now a bootleg discograpy webpage at: http://www.crosswinds.net/~hinterlands/orb2 Gavin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 08:26:55 +0100 From: "Mac Morgan" Subject: Re: (orb) Re: techno stores in NY. > >Hey andy, > >Try Liquid Sky/Temple REcords by Lafayette and Spring. And Throb Records in >the east village (not sure where). Those are the two I liked when I lived in >NY. (2 years ago). >Although I did wind up buying most of my ORB cd's at Tower Records on >Broadway near 8th(?) >L8r >danx > I always had great luck finding used Orb and other techno in the stores on St. Mark's place. Unfortunately, they do know what they're selling, so you won't find the most fab bargains. "Other Music" across the street from Tower in the East Village is worth a look. I miss New York... I lived there for 11 years, but moved to England in January. Have a bagel for me. Mac # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 09:21:10 +0200 From: Stephan.Hesse@Algemeen.MGIM.wau.NL Subject: (orb) New stuff >Now waiting for FSOL, Orb, Yes and MBM.... No one's anxious for the new Leftfield...(one of these days)...!?! Steph... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:08:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: Re: (orb) Apocalyptic Films > details, yes, did I care about the storyline? no :) it started out pretty > good, but then it dropped some massive acid and went nuts. > maybe I just need to drop some acids to "get" it, but I'm not interested. > :) I have the comic book (which helps with the plot bit). But the thing is, you can figure out the plot if you watch it enough! The plot's the best part! The plot to Akira is fantastic... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 18:42:23 +0200 From: Thomas Eisermann Subject: (orb) Electrigger #3 TV-magazine + presentation party Hi ORBsters, after a long delay of nearly one year the 3rd issue of Electrigger is finished. Electrigger is a TV-magazine for intelligent electronic music shown on the local TV-station FAB (Fernsehen aus Berlin) in Berlin, Germany and later as a repetition in Hamburg on Offener Kanal.=20 Artists presented with Electrigger #3: ---> Stelarc ---> Spakken Knorke=20 ---> Berlin Atonal Festival 1999: - Ocean Club (with Thomas Fehlmann, Sun Electric and Gudrun Gut) - Atom Heart - Einst=FCrzende Neubauten. The dates: 15.09.1999 - 7 p.m. @ FAB (Fernsehen aus Berlin) 16.09.1999 - 0 a.m. @ FAB (Fernsehen aus Berlin) Oct. 1999 @ Offener Kanal Hamburg The complete interviews, pictures and other information about Electrigger are online at http://members.aol.com/VisuSounds/electrig.htm Unfortunately the homepage and interviews are only in German language yet - but if somebody wants to translate them into English to make it available to a lot more people, please contact me at seehear@ibm.net. Any help would be highly appreciated.=20 I'll put some short video-samples from Electrigger #3 online later this week. A new info follows when it's finished. On Saturday, 11th Sept. from 8 p.m. to open end the Electrigger-team invites to the=20 Electrigger Presentation Party=20 @ Manson, Schliemannstr. 37, Berlin-Prenzlauer Berg where the broadcast will be shown for the first time and a nice mixture of experimental electronic music will be plaid. Some more info you'll find at the Electrigger homepage... If you have any questions or suggestions please feel free to contact me @ seehear@ibm.net , any feedback is welcome. Hope to see you on Saturday, bye, Thomas SeeHear Recordings * Visual Sounds Thomas Eisermann * ambient sounds & pictures seehear@ibm.net * http://members.aol.com/VisuSounds Berlin/Hamburg,Germany * # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:15:49 -0400 From: "Andrew Cieszkowski" Subject: (orb) caution, no orb content Hi Orbies, two questions, one, someone on the list once suggested a CD by Mickey Hart (of Grateful Dead) called Planet Drum. Today I was in HMV (sorry) and saw 2 CD's, one called Planet Drum and another called Planet Drum: Supralingua. Can anyone tell me which they prefer if any? two, can anyone suggest any didgeridoo music that may be quite ambient? I used to have a great CD but it was stolen and I can't remember who did it. Thanks for indulging my non orb content ;-) Andrew # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:54:25 -0700 (PDT) From: steve robles Subject: Re: (orb) caution, no orb content - -- Andrew Cieszkowski wrote: > > Hi Orbies, > > two questions, > > one, someone on the list once suggested a CD by > Mickey Hart (of Grateful > Dead) called Planet Drum. Today I was in HMV > (sorry) and saw 2 CD's, one > called Planet Drum and another called Planet Drum: > Supralingua. Can anyone > tell me which they prefer if any? they're both really good, but i'd have to say start out with 'supralingua,' 'cos it's got a bonus cd with remixes on it. the richie hawtin remix is fuckin' stony as all hell, and the loop guru one ain't half-bad either. can't help ya on the didj stuff. i haven't found any, but as a dj i'm spoiled 'cos i can layer the scant didj offerings i have on top of, say, the 'o.o.b.e.' on peel sessions and be happy as a green shit fly on a pile of fresh dog dump. steve0 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:25:00 -0700 From: "-> rachel" Subject: (orb) didj cds Stephen Kent (based currently out of San francisco) is by far the best didj player i've ever heard - all of his cds are fantastic! if you're looking for something more electronic, he had a group called TranceMission which combined some electronic, some vocals, and lots of didj! =) rachel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 14:56:49 -0700 From: lkjk ytryt Subject: Re: (orb) New stuff > > > No one's anxious for the new Leftfield...(one of these days)...!?! > > Steph... > I sure am! The first single came out yesterday in the UK. I've ordered both CD singles and the 12". A couple of months back I managed to nab one of the 10" promo's. I rate them with the best. It has to do until the new Orb is released. Edward # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 15:14:22 PDT From: "E O" Subject: Re: (orb) caution, no orb content - ----Original Message Follows---- Andrew Cieszkowski Planet Drum and another called Planet Drum: Supralingua. - ---> They're both incredible imho. I think I prefer Supralingua...Even though the remix disc isn't so hot. two, can anyone suggest any didgeridoo music that may be quite ambient? I love a jazz trio call Native Ground. I have a disc called One Fine Mama. The group consists of a jazz guitar, didgeridoo, and a djembe. It's very sweet. - -E # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 22:09:26 EDT From: "Peter Henry" Subject: (orb) Perpetual Dawn 12" for Auction I have the Perpetual Dawn 12" with Ultrabass 1 up for auction on ebay. Check it out if you are interested. The minimum bid is only $7.00. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=159842507 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 21:40:09 -0700 From: imu@lightspeed.bc.ca Subject: (orb) You've been 'Orb'-ed... Found this at Chart Music News: Quote of the Week "You've been 'Orb'-ed if you're sitting in a room and you get up to look out= the window and you suddenly realize that it was coming from the record."=20 =97 Dr. Alex Patterson of The Orb cracks wise about his band's prolific use= of ambient noises on their albums, including the newest Cydone (in stores= today). http://www.chartnet.com/damn/ Z> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 12:54:36 +0800 From: Kael Driscoll Subject: (orb) cydone???? not only is the quote a bit older than "this week", but the info on the album is a total crock... right????: >including the newest Cydone (in stores today). cydone? today? what kind of music journalism is this??? but it is a funny quote! KL # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 22:17:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Gavin Miller Subject: (orb) Live 93 art inspiration Hello All. As many of you know, the cover art of Live 93 has Fluffy floating through smoke stacks, reminiscent to Pink Floyd's "Animals" cover. Simularly, tonight I saw a Miles Davis disc called "Live - Evil", which on the top right corner of the front cover had the text Miles Davis Live and the top left corner on the back had Selim Sivad Evil and no song listings either. Coincidence? I think not. Gavin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 01:27:35 EDT From: LiquidW@aol.com Subject: Re: (orb) Live 93 art inspiration miles davis In a message dated 9/7/99 10:21:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, orbaddict@yahoo.com writes: << Miles Davis Live Selim Sivad Evil >> amazing albulm.... i just found it ...in the vein of agartha and bitches brew highly suggested by Liquidw.....and there was one more double record of this in the store...so if anyone is excited....... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] installed, it's easy- double-click the "frain196.zip" icon. Choose = "extract" .=20 In the Extract to: box, type  C:\Fractint  to send it into the = folder=20 you created.
Now all the files are in the Fractint directory in = C:=20 .
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You should see the prompt, "C:\FRACTINT" on your screen.
Then type "fractint"
and it should run.
You'll figger it out from there.
Fractint will create a word.doc that explains a lot = of the=20 functions. I forget how to make it do that . . .
One thing I'll tell you is that "page up" is to zoom = in.=20
Hit "enter" to zooom in , and "ctrl-enter" to zooom=20 out.
You can hit "c" twice to begin color = cycling.
"esc." and "s" to save.
Aloha. Subject: (orb) Orbie in the Pacific Northwest. I want to just let fellow orbies that Might be in the Seattle Area that I'm in town tonight, Wednesday and Thursday evening. If anyone from this area knows of any Orbfriendly clubs, bars, or other venues that I should check out while I'm in town, please let me know. And also if any of you fellow listmembers that would like meet, please drop me a line. Thanks in advance... Sean # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 16:28:30 -0500 (CDT) From: "Mr. Charlie C Ludwig" Subject: Re: (orb) Live 93 art inspiration miles davis > orbaddict@yahoo.com writes: > > << > Miles > Davis > Live > > Selim > Sivad > Evil > >> > amazing albulm.... i just found it ...in the vein of agartha and bitches brew > highly suggested by Liquidw.....and there was one more double record of this > in the store...so if anyone is excited....... This album is readily available and, as I must say, rocks my world. In similar Miles Davis fusion-era stuff, from the Carnagie Hall performance from '74(?) released as another double-disc (with the same type of packaging that I love) titled Dark Magus, we have a nice line on the vibes (played by Miles himself, I believe), in which LX and Co. sampled, creating the mainline for Slug Dub. (doo-doo-do doo-dup-da-dup.. if that made sense to anybody but me :) For those interested, it's on disc two, track two (I think! could be track one) Hope I could help out those in search of samples, and those interested in Miles, and those who like genre fusion.. and those who have nothing else better to do right now :) Charlie spinning: Spiritualized - Royal Albert Hall Oct 10 '97 ps. anybody who's big on Spiritualized or Spacemen 3 who's interested in 1) educating me further on their not-so-easy-to-find works or 2) has some not-so-easy-to-find works they'd like to get rid of (or maybe copy? :/ ) email me :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 00:38:26 -0700 (MST) From: "PMDF V5.2 Mail Server" Subject: (orb) OT: b.e.l.t. "concert" hey all, b.e.l.t. is the name of my "band". we are based in Tempe, AZ. we play experimental/improvised electronic music (lots of delays and nutty samples). we will be performing at "Synthetic Flesh" at the Nile Theater in downtown Mesa, Arizona on Saturday September 18th. Synthetic Flesh is a fetish ball (so I've been told) so if any of you are going to be in the area, stop bye... it's $10 pre/$15 door day of... I'll be the one glowing..... - -ben (aka djbluE) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:57:56 +0200 From: "Dr.Winston O'Boogie" Subject: (orb) Dwb Hi all! I have switched to a new ISP, and therefore I naturally have a = new email check my sign. And I'll soon move to new quarters, I'll keep you posted. =20 - -----------------------------------------------------------=20 Dr.Winston O'Boogie (Dwb) :::::::::::::::::::::::::::... - ----------------------------------------------------------- uin:112254 :::... orb@post.netlink.se :::... http://orb.hem.netlink.se :::... "-Is that Halie Selassie? -No it wasn't, it was a cab!" - ----------------------------------------------------------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:12:31 EST5EDT From: "Vince Frank" Subject: (orb) Gotta get rid of this.... Ok, here's what it boils down to.... I have a copy of Orb's Live 93, which I've listened to once or twice only. As a general rule of thumb, I don't usually care for live recordings, and--sorry folks--this is no exception. I know--blasphemy. But I prefer the studio stuff.... Anyway, I know that the majority of you really like this album.... If there is anyone out there who doesn't already have it, but wants it, I'm offering mine up for a trade. There are tons o' stuff that I'm looking for...some in print, some out of print, but nothing too rare. I also have the ONE-cd copy of UFOff available for trade, too, if anyone's interested.... Basically, I'm looking for rockabilly, 80s new wave, and other electronic music. But I'll consider anything. In the meantime, they're just taking up space. Lemme know! Thanks! Vince # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of orb-digest V2 #239 *************************