From: owner-orb-digest@lists.xmission.com (orb-digest) To: orb-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: orb-digest V2 #249 Reply-To: orb-digest Sender: owner-orb-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-orb-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes orb-digest Sunday, October 10 1999 Volume 02 : Number 249 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 20:49:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: (orb) new acquirements Just got the Pato Banton 12" ROCKS! And the innersphere single. The original mix is actually better than the orb one. :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:42:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Joseph Jun Subject: (orb) re: OAA, Live in Boston AHEGPB Hey, I first want to say that the new OAA is great; thanks *MoonDogg*. I've done quite a share of plundering this past week. Anyway, has anyone else downloaded "A Huge Ever Growing Pulsating Brain.." from the 1997 Boston Concert? I did yesterday and only the first few seconds are playable. Winamp can't play the rest of the song. It acknowledges the time to be roughly 14:15 and the file is some 13.6 meg. Has anyone else had this problem? And does anyone have a clean copy of it? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ --"Man now realizes that he is an Joseph Jun 4-123 ESB accident, that he is a completely Center for Complex Systems Research futile being, that he has to play Univ. of Ill. at Urbana-Champaign out the game without reason."-- Office Phone: (217) 333-4736 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ -Francis Bacon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 01:26:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: (orb) icons of... Does ANYBODY have this? Please email me privately, I'm dying to do a CD-R trade... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 23:33:14 -0700 From: "*MoonDogg*" Subject: RE: (orb) re: OAA, Live in Boston AHEGPB Hmm...the copy I have on CD is also bad... Anyone who has a good copy, please upload it =) *MoonDogg* - -----Original Message----- Hey, I first want to say that the new OAA is great; thanks *MoonDogg*. I've done quite a share of plundering this past week. Anyway, has anyone else downloaded "A Huge Ever Growing Pulsating Brain.." from the 1997 Boston Concert? I did yesterday and only the first few seconds are playable. Winamp can't play the rest of the song. It acknowledges the time to be roughly 14:15 and the file is some 13.6 meg. Has anyone else had this problem? And does anyone have a clean copy of it? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:33:36 +0100 From: Chris Basford Subject: Re: (orb) GC / Jedi Knights In message , Kael Driscoll writes : [Global Communication = Jedi Knights..???] >the answer is yes.... as far as I know the JK stuff is more dancey and >breakbeat than the GC stuff Yeah, the GC stuff tends to be either absolutely and completely gorgeous ambient stuff or superb deep, deep house... >but, I haven't ever really heard the JK stuff! >so everyone elses opinions would be appreciated as well :) The Jedi Knight's (or simply Jedi's as they now must be known) have had an excellent electro sounds lately, check their recent remixes of Leftfield's "Afrika Shox" and "Jumbo" (they did an electro mix and a house mix) by Underworld. The Jedi's / Jedi Knight's have been very quiet recently, presumably because of the amount of time it took to sort out the name thing with George Lucas. Tom Middleton has been in the most recent issues of Muzik and Jockey Slut. In the Muzik piece, he said he was thinking of doing more drum & bass and hip-hop from now on. His new ambient project, "Amba" is just starting to take off, a track can be heard at the end of his completely chuffin' marvellous "A Jedi's Night Out" Mixmag Mix CD... Of course, Tom just released "Summer In Space" as Cosmos (finally) which was popular in Ibiza, but I don't know what happened to it in the UK charts. The CD's include the infamous mix he played at the Miami Winter Music Conference thing ages ago. Mark Pritchard (the other half of GC, Jedi's etc, etc, etc) did a couple of mixes as well. Worth buying, but I'm totally and utterly biased as I buy anything with Tom Middleton's name on :) As for GC stuff to check out, I was glad to see somebody mentioned the "Remotion" remix album, even though I already had two of the Chapterhouse remixes on the "Blood Music : Pentamerous Metamorphosis" remix album thingy it was a bloody good buy (again, I would say that...) Somebody mentioned "The Way / The Deep" EP but forgot to mention "The Groove" EP as well! Blasphemy! Hope somebody finds some of that useful (?), Chris Basford E-mail : chris@g3vkm.demon.co.uk ICQ : 41233978 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 15:33:16 -0500 From: "John Goerner" Subject: (orb) Cydonia listed I was poking around GEMM, and saw Cydonia listed for $57. i guess you have to pay alot to get it before its real. Of course, this was just a few entries above "Foxygene", which sounds like a 70's funk album. the internet: accuracy at its finest. John Goerner johng@usgravitics.com "Better Living with Gravity" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 16:59:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: (orb) new uploads to the OAA Am currently uploading/ripping the follwing: The tangerine dream remix The innersphere remix The Haruomi Hosono remix The grid remixes The 1cd version of Adventures. If anyone feels these are innappropriate (I suspect people will bitch about the ultraworld single version), please don't email me. All this stuff is out of print, all of it hard to find, and all I'm trying to do here is give people a way to HEAR this stuff until they get a chance to find it themselves... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 14:04:23 PDT From: "tripp millican" Subject: (orb) college radio mailing list helo everyone, sorry for the cross-post. my fingers only like to type the same thing once. i have just started a mailing list for college radio. its main purpose is to discuss admin, policies, heavy rotations, concerts, etc. its intended for those with their noses in the college radio land - music directors, general managers, booking/publicity people, etc. i ran a station for a year and learned a lot, but found there were very few resources available when i had questions about things like booking bands, adding records to rotations, stopping people from stealing music, etc. so i decided to start a list so everyone involved could more easily share information. i encourage anyone interested in radio to join...and please let anyone you know who might be interested in the list about it. thanks. http://www.onelist.com/community/cllge-radio the list is cllge-radio. i look forward to seeing some of you on the list. tripp millican ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 16:06:40 -0500 From: John Moxness Subject: RE: (orb) new uploads to the OAA Am currently uploading/ripping the follwing: The tangerine dream remix The innersphere remix The Haruomi Hosono remix The grid remixes The 1cd version of Adventures. If anyone feels these are innappropriate (I suspect people will bitch about the ultraworld single version), please don't email me. All this stuff is out of print, all of it hard to find, and all I'm trying to do here is give people a way to HEAR this stuff until they get a chance to find it themselves... ===>No complaints here. Even the ABTU single disk version is a good addition. I love that version more than the double. It just works better the way it melts into one disk. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 14:38:27 -0700 From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (orb) new uploads to the OAA "Benjamin L. May" wrote: > > Am currently uploading/ripping the follwing: > > The tangerine dream remix > The innersphere remix > The Haruomi Hosono remix > The grid remixes > The 1cd version of Adventures. > > If anyone feels these are innappropriate (I suspect people will > bitch about the ultraworld single version), please don't email me. All > this stuff is out of print, all of it hard to find, and all I'm trying to > do here is give people a way to HEAR this stuff until they get a chance to > find it themselves... That's fine; I'll email the list... ;) It's been said before...and it will be said again, every time someone brings it up: The 1-CD version of ABtU consists of material that is in-print or already on the OAA. If someone is that interested in it, it is trivial to reconstruct it from those sources. The Orb have stated that they don't mind OOP stuff being made available in this manner, but have asked that in-print material not be made available. Don't you think it would be appropriate to respect their wishes? Even if you don't have respect for Alex and Andy's wishes, if the Orb (or their management, or their record label) feel that the OOA is being abused, it is relatively simple to have it taken down, and take the perpetrators to court. So it becomes a matter of self-protection to follow their wishes in this matter. This list is neither secure nor anonymous. Think about that, before engaging in legally and ethically questionable acts in a public forum. Chris np: Pistel - Pistel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:15:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: Re: (orb) new uploads to the OAA > That's fine; I'll email the list... ;) Heh heh. :) > The 1-CD version of ABtU consists of material that is in-print or > already on the OAA. If someone is that interested in it, it is trivial > to reconstruct it from those sources. Sort of. The mixes are of different lengths. I realize that this is a tenious argument (but I think it's valid anyways), but honestly hearing these mixes is a different listening experience then the two cd version. They're mixed into one another differently, etc. If it's so trivial, I'd really like to see you re-construct this album from the 2-cd adventures & the various remixes. :) > The Orb have stated that they don't mind OOP stuff being made available > in this manner, but have asked that in-print material not be made > available. Don't you think it would be appropriate to respect their > wishes? But the issue is that the 1cd version is no longer in print... > Even if you don't have respect for Alex and Andy's wishes, if the Orb Which I do! > (or their management, or their record label) feel that the OOA is being > abused, it is relatively simple to have it taken down, and take the > perpetrators to court. So it becomes a matter of self-protection to > follow their wishes in this matter. Granted, but it's not my ass on the line. :) I mean, I delete these MP3's once I make them (I have the actual cds), and I'm not the one making them available, really. Whatever, I'm really not worried about legal ramifications. Maybe if I were ripping and uploading orblivion. :) I guess what it comes down to is whether or not the dude currently running the archive thinks these files are ethical, since it's his HD that they reside upon, so if he/she thinks they're innapropriate they're free to delete them! :) Again, I don't see how, by creating MP3s of the 1cd version, that I'm in any way defering any mopney that might be made by the band by the sale of this record for the following reasons: 1) The orb are no longer with Wau/Mr Modo (the label the 1cd version was released on) and so Island stands to lose nothing, 2) The album is out of print (for almost 8 years now!) and hence, even assuming that island has any rights to reprint said album (which we don't know that they have), they haven't reprinted it. Anyways, feel free to disagree, I'm not trying to rip anyone off, or is any way offend or piss off the band, I just want those poor souls who haven't heard this stuff yet to be able to, until they themselves are able to dig up a copy of this extremely rare piece of music. Sorry for the long response. :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:42:04 -0500 From: "John Goerner" Subject: (orb) OAA If someone were to get really anal about the whole MP3 business, all these songs/albums are illegal to distribute, unless the owner of the copyright (not the band, but the respective record labels) gives thier permission. This in almost all cases is extremely unlikely, even though the band gave their permission, since this could reduce the sales if and when these works are reprinted. Now, as far as Im concerned, I think its great that these things are mp3'd, including the in print stuff. I realize I will be in the minority on this point, but there it is. I regularly download brand new albums. Sometimes I buy them, sometimes i don't. I still spend the same amount on music, perhaps even more. I think that the existence of mp3's will change the way music is distributed in the next 5-10 years for the better. Im sure many people in the business dont agree. Either way it will bring a certain amount of chaos, which is nice for those of us that dislike entropy. Well thats my opinion. John Goerner johng@usgravitics.com "Better Living with Gravity" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 21:50:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: (orb) I stand corrected I went and looked at lazlos discog, and I retract my earlier statement. I didn't realize that the mixes were within 15 seconds in length. Which reduces my argument to the fact that they're mixed together in a different order, which I don't think is reason enough... So, to ye propriator of the OAA, you have my permission and blessing if you desire to remove the 1cd version of Adventures. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 20:27:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Gavin Miller Subject: Re: (orb) Cydonia listed - --- John Goerner wrote: > > I was poking around GEMM, and saw Cydonia listed for > $57. i guess you have > to pay alot to get it before its real. Well, you might have to pay more than that, since none of the people on GEMM will sell it to you. If you do order it, expect it to be "backordered" for 4 months... > the internet: accuracy at its finest. And an open market of wishful thinking and empty promises... Gavin ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:41:41 -0400 From: "*eric irving marden*" Subject: (orb) Fw: I WOULD LIKE TO PRODUCE AN ORB VIDEO. Found on the ng. - ----- Original Message ----- From: JS Newsgroups: alt.music.orb Sent: Thursday, October 07, 1999 1:25 PM Subject: I WOULD LIKE TO PRODUCE AN ORB VIDEO. > We are interested in producing, shooting etc. a video for the Orb. > Located in the South Florida area, winter months are excellent for filming. > Locations in the islands are also good for video, and offer easy > accessibility. > 2 guys with lots of experience and creativity. > Email for more info. > > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:45:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Joseph Jun Subject: (orb) re: CoffeeCup FTP I thought I'd pass this info along as it may help save both bandwidth and frustration for people downloading from the OAA, esp. for modem users. There is a free program called CoffeeCup FTP. It's the only free software that I've found which allows you to resume broken downloads. You can get CoffeeCup from www.download.com; just enter CoffeeCup FTP on the search form. Here's the description from the company who makes it: "CoffeeCup Free FTP is an easy-to-use FTP client for file uploads and downloads. It allows you to use an unlimited number of FTP accounts, resume broken downloads, and transfer files in binary, ASCII, or auto-mode. It also offers an optional auto-refresh on each file upload or download, and optional FTP log transcription." If anyone knows of a better program please share the info. Later everyone, sorry for the non-Orb related post. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ --"Man now realizes that he is an Joseph Jun 4-123 ESB accident, that he is a completely Center for Complex Systems Research futile being, that he has to play Univ. of Ill. at Urbana-Champaign out the game without reason."-- Office Phone: (217) 333-4736 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ -Francis Bacon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 10:45:53 -0500 From: Martin Wallace Subject: Re: (orb)CoffeeCup FTP/anarchie(mac) If you have a mac, Anarchie will also resume broken downloads # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 01:42:07 +0900 From: lil@cybergal.com Subject: Re: (orb) re: CoffeeCup FTP if you're a mac user, then you'll probably know about and swear by anarchie - - its an ftp-ers dream!! resumeable downloads? no problems!! if you don't have it, you can get it from www.download.com lil > There is a free program called CoffeeCup FTP. It's the only free software > that I've found which allows you to resume broken downloads. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 14:04:42 -0600 (MDT) From: Mike Bailey Subject: Re: (orb) reply from spacegirl At 11:58 PM 10/05/1999 -0500, Martin Wallace wrote: > >seriously, though, this was my laugh of the day. spacegirl is either really >spaced out, or she's a really good record dealer trying to make amends to >us that really love the Orb. I think really spaced out is the answer. I asked her why she's bidding on Anthology when she just bought a copy of Anthology last week, and she answered that she bought Anthology 2 and needed Anthology 1. I went back and checked, and sure enough it was Anthology 1 she won in the first place. I pointed her to Lazlo's discog, but I think "really spaced out" is about right. Although the email looked more "whacked out", so I think there's some room for debate. Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 01:33:31 -0700 From: "*MoonDogg*" Subject: RE: (orb) I stand corrected I have removed it. I remember this issue being debated previously, and while I don't remember exactly, it seems most were in favour of NOT having it available... On a different topic: I have been trying to clean up the whole archive (man, what a mess) and have the following request: Please, when uploading, provide documentation. I have found a lot of files that have been in there for a while that have no info, and it is impossible to determine where they came from or belong. I have put a small text file with some instructions in the Upload folder, please read and follow if you are uploading. Thanx *MoonDogg* - -----Original Message----- I went and looked at lazlos discog, and I retract my earlier statement. I didn't realize that the mixes were within 15 seconds in length. Which reduces my argument to the fact that they're mixed together in a different order, which I don't think is reason enough... So, to ye propriator of the OAA, you have my permission and blessing if you desire to remove the 1cd version of Adventures. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 13:17:54 +0200 From: Jean Christophe DERRIEN Subject: (orb) Thomas Fehlmann Japanese CD / Island French Sampler I noticed that the Thomas Fehlmann CD "Flowing" has a 21st track on the Japanese edition, called "Optional" (7 minutes)... And I received from Island France the Island sampler =E9t=E9 99 with "Once More" (4.43). No credits except The Orb : Once More Album : Cydonia To be released... JCFromParis "Andy Warhol : I want to make my life more exciting. I think I'm going to start drinking and doing all these bad things, have girlfriends and jump over the bridge, be temperamental - just make it all exciting. =46aye Dunaway : But it's not in your nature. Andy Warhol : Oh, but it could be." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 22:50:49 +0900 From: lysergic maximus Subject: (orb) sample spotting hello all, delurking for a brief moment, hi to everyone i haven't talked to in months... on to the meat... from Kiss FM, the orb v. coldcut thing, the sample of the girl who says "i need you, i need you", i believe that is from "two of hearts" by Stacey Q... can anyone confirm or deny? that sample has been bugging me for months and i heard the Stacey Q song on the radio this evening... enquiring minds want to know... lysergic if theres anything in the world better than a good meal, making love to a beautiful woman and taking a nap afterwards, i haven't found it. visit the lysergic dream at http://www.zombieproject.com/lysergic/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 10:15:48 -0400 From: "Nancy Cotroneo" Subject: (orb) sample spotting On the topic of sample spotting, I was flicking the TV channels the other night and heard two voices. The first was Benny Hinn, a televangelist who I am sure is the voice used in LFC on 39 Evil Bro talking about the morphine drip. What a freak. The second was a BBC nature show on parasites. The narrator was the same voice used on Auntie Aubrey's Adventures (forgive me I don't have the CD handy) on one of the songs you here him say something like "it may look like a skinny dirt road to you but here in the Amazon this is a national highway" Truely a strange moment in TV for me. Andrew # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:13:34 -0600 (MDT) From: Mike Bailey Subject: Re: (orb) sample spotting >if theres anything in the world better than a good meal, making love to a >beautiful woman and taking a nap afterwards, i haven't found it. Perhaps a game of pool while smoking cigars and drinking beer with the boys, followed by a night of slug-chasing in frilly pink dresses? M # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 01:11:32 -0500 From: Martin Wallace Subject: (orb) American Beauty I just saw "American Beauty" I know it's way off topic, but I just wanted to highly recomend it to everyone.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of orb-digest V2 #249 *************************