From: owner-orb-digest@lists.xmission.com (orb-digest) To: orb-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: orb-digest V2 #418 Reply-To: orb-digest Sender: owner-orb-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-orb-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes orb-digest Thursday, February 15 2001 Volume 02 : Number 418 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:43:12 -0800 From: Steve Shah Subject: (orb) Here is a prize for playing Hi Gang, For all of you who have played along and been nice about reporting problems with www.thearchive.org, I want to thank you. We have learned a lot from the experience and to show our appreciation, I'm making some of the content available off a stable (but equally well connected) site: http://orb.thearchive.org. Currently there is disc 1 of the Orb CD Tree. After 2 weeks, I'll rotate in disc 2, and so on. (I need to do this to preserve bandwidth costs -- you all know the drill.) For those of you who are interested in Orchards and Vines, I have made their content available at http://oav.thearchive.org. - -Steve - -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Steve Shah (sshah@planetoid.org) | SysAdmin/Coder/Gabbernaut/DJ/Writer/Minister http://www.planetoid.org | We're not dropping out, we're infiltrating. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Life is best measured in beats per minute. How alive are you? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 02:34:28 From: "Dan G." Subject: (orb) Re: FTP and once more... What are you going on about, Chris? I thought Promo CD's were not for sale. so how did you buy one? And you talk about piracy.... When you run an FTP, you can do whatever you like "on principle". Till then, try not to worry about other people's so much. Maybe you work for a record company??? hmmm.... L8r Danx >I've >managed to acquire the promo CD and one of the 12"s quite cheaply, >without even breaking a cyber-sweat. > >I didn't mention Cydonia v1.0 (deliberately so), although if I were >running one of the FTPs, I'd make it unavailable for a while, just on >principle. > >Chris >(opinionated as always) > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:29:59 -0600 From: oobe Subject: Re: (orb) 10 Fav these lists seem harder to come up with than i would have thought. anyway, here's my very belated entry: The Starseeds Frank Sinatra Chris Isaak The Sugarcubes William Orbit Puracane Cocteau Twins (especially the first 5 albums) Alison Kraus 808 State Underworld though i have to agree with anyone who mentions spacetime continuum, namlook, biosphere, or HIA. - -oobe # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:28:07 -0900 (AKST) From: "James A. Crippen" Subject: Re: (orb) ORBULLETIN: Once More release On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Chris Johnson wrote: I respect all of your opinions. I was under the impression that this was release was restricted, and that it wouldn't be available to the likes of me. I'm only going to take offense with one of your comments: > Distance/remoteness stopped being an excuse for piracy the instant you > got online. Indeed, in 1989? ISTR that it took up to two weeks (in some cases) for NNTP to propagate around the Earth. The NSFnet was alive and well, as was the ARPAnet, which I had some access to. And I was at the butt-end of the slowest, noisiest, lamest 56Kbps frame-relay over satellite link that you've ever had the displeasure to encounter. It spanned a distance of over 10K miles from Anchorage to Fairbanks via p2p microwave links along the old RCA telephone backbone, thence up to satellite and back down to Seattle, around the bend a few times, then to the NWnet, which connected to other chunks of the backbone, like NSFnet and the remains of ARPAnet. But I *could* get good things through BITNET! And before FTP was widely available at my site I could still use archie by mail and FTP by mail! Distance WAS indeed a problem. In fact I was so many hops away from the *backbone* (about 30 at worst, 24 at best IIRC) that in many cases things like TCP-based connections would fail because connections would be over 40 or 50 hops away, and timeouts would get so extreme that they'd exceed the 2MSL timeout for active closes (in TIME_WAIT state). Distance was a very important factor. Especially when you had to dig out the UUCP maps to figure out how to reach a central node from whence you could get a path to the person you were emailing. ...!uunet!cojones!fredbox!spam was one path I remember well. Finding the right path could mean avoiding low-speed long distance links, and could save *days* for email transfer time. Long distance email could really take time especially if your bounce bounced back. Hell, you can probably still find fredbox in the last revision of the UUCP maps (still available at DS.INTERNIC.NET if I'm not mistaken). Indeed, I remember the September that Never Ended very well. Probably better than you, I'd guess. I also remember when Kibo Left The Net. And Kibo's Second Coming, too. I also know why Sean P. Ryan has his own alt.flame newsgroup, but that's another story for another day. (Something about sleeping beneath line printers and shouting at people comes to mind, but so does rec.sports.pro-wrestling.) I can't claim to recall the Great Renaming or Flag Day, though. That was before my time. And I can't make jokes about USENET's net.* hierarchy. Nor can I claim to have been able to send messages to addresses like "SLUG AT SRI" or "MOON AT SYMBOLICS". I've even experienced Tenex and Twenex systems, as well as OS/360 and its fscking 80-column card mode over @#$%ing X.25 PADs to Tymnet (UGH!). And RSTS-11, real live Fuzzballs, ITS on PDP-10s, and so forth. Fun stuff. Don't think I'm some AOL wanker. I was on the 'net before I ever met a BBS. I've even still got a (working!) computer with an ethernet card bigger than the puny motherboard in your bitty box. One that wants a vampire tap... A machine that weighs more than I do, my Symbolics XL1200. So there. :P 'james PS: That was humorous, satirical flamage. All counterflames > /nev/dull. - -- James A. Crippen ,-./-. Anchorage, Alaska, Lambda Unlimited: Recursion 'R' Us | |/ | USA, 61.2069 N, 149.766 W, Y = \f.(\x.f(xx)) (\x.f(xx)) | |\ | Earth, Sol System, Y(F) = F(Y(F)) \_,-_/ Milky Way. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:41:11 -0600 From: "Sean Wolfe" Subject: (orb) Joe the Waiter Download Has anyone else seen this? hav they gotten it? Is it worth it? http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/discography.html/ ArtistID=THE+ORB Sean # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 23:35:18 EST From: Ovation15@aol.com Subject: Re: (orb) ORBULLETIN: Once More release In a message dated Tue, 13 Feb 2001 8:11:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, "James A. Crippen" writes: << On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Chris Johnson wrote: > > "James A. Crippen" wrote: I'm only asking for things that I *CAN'T* purchase. Not for things that I can actually get. Things like promo material counts here. So do singles released only in the UK but not in America. I'd have to be British to get them, or know someone there. I don't, and the record company gets screwed not because I'm cheating them but because they lacked the foresight to attempt a more general distribution policy. ** i must dissagree here. just because you have to import the single from the UK is no excuse to bootleg it. importing CDs from the UK is VERY easy. it just means you have to wait about 2 weeks for your order. sometimes even less in good cases. shipping is not even that much. you do not have to be british or no anyone there to get CDs from the UK. i have had all 3 Once More 12"s for weeks and i live in texas (native). i dont know anyone in the UK. this is silly to use that as an excuse. with that logic everyone else in the world beside the US and UK could bootleg all the orbs albums because they had to import them. all the time it took you to write your lengthy posts you could have located the singles online. gemini # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:01:19 -0500 (EST) From: Ben Hoffman Subject: (orb) (OT) TDR I am making the brash assumption that many orb fans are also fans of a design group known as The Designers Republic. I have just recieved that they are putting up a new site at 12:00 GMT on feb 14th. For the uninitiated to TDR, expect mass eye-candy and a newly revamped sense of what good design really is. Ben in Space. www.thedesignersrepublic.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 23:59:03 EST From: BluRoom@aol.com Subject: Re: (orb) ORBULLETIN: Once More release In a message dated 2/13/01 9:28:46 PM Central Standard Time, james@UnLambda.COM writes: << Don't think I'm some AOL wanker. >> Hey now... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:30:58 -0500 From: Reverend djbluE Subject: Re: (orb) Re: FTP and once more... yeah, really.. promo's are definitely not for sale. AFAIK *all* true promo's will be marked "property of ... not for sale" or something similar to that. Now, the once more 12"s that have come out weren't technically promos as much as I know. They were club DJ copies. Copies that club dj's would buy at their local dj shop so they would then spin at the club and people would dance to it, ask about it, and then buy the single when it came out. I have the brown 12" of once more, and both cd singles. I bought them all brand new at Rebel Rebel in NYC (thanks for the tip nycnoises for the cd's)... None of these are promos. Actually, you can't buy brand new promo's in a retail store. Some stores get copies one way or another, and then sell them at retail prices yes, but promo's are "not for sale" as presented by the record label. that doesn't mean the music contained is unavailable.. but I've yet to see a true release that contains the "KLF" remix on it. THis is getting far too longwinded. one last comment... I thought all of the delays were to have a worldwide release date..... so how come I had to buy import singles to get the music? (at 4 times the money) - -djbluE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 23:49:22 -0600 From: oobe Subject: Re: (orb) Re: FTP and once more... because Island and every other major record company sucks cock, that's why. - -oobe > one last comment... I thought all of the delays were to have a > worldwide release date..... so how come I had to buy import singles to > get the music? (at 4 times the money) > > -djbluE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:22:09 -0800 (PST) From: Gavin Miller Subject: Re: (orb) Favo(u)rite Bands besides the Orb... Here I g0 - highlights of 2000. Mogwai Mercury Rev Bowery Electric Underworld Flying Saucer Attack Spiritualized Mojave 3 Red House Painters Mouse On Mars Seefeel Best concerts of 2000 Mouse On Mars/Chicago Underground Duo - Magic Stick, Detroit, MM 4/30/00 Juno Reactor/DJ LX Paterson - Gothic Theater, Englewood, CO 11/27/00 Sunny Day Real Estate - Barrymore Theater, Madison, WI 10/31/00 Coldcut - Metro, Chicago IL 10/24/00 Primal Scream - Metro, Chicago IL 6/1/00 u-Ziq, Metro, Chicago IL 2/5/00 Worst concert: BT - House Of Blues, Chicago IL 10/13/00 Best album: Radiohead - Kid A (honorable mention) Primal Scream - Exterminator Gavin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 23:11:12 -0800 From: "Drunkfux@anti-social.com" Subject: (orb) Radio 1 Breezeblock Did anyone use streambox to capture this? rwould this be better than an FM recording or a=nother recording of the stream? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 02:55:11 EST From: NYCnoises@aol.com Subject: Re: (orb) Re: once more...Promo In a message dated 2/14/01 12:34:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, djblue@graffiti.net writes: << None of these are promos. Actually, you can't buy brand new promo's in a retail store. Some stores get copies one way or another, and then sell them at retail prices yes, but promo's are "not for sale" as presented by the record label. >> If you read the last line of the fine print on the Brown cover 12" single that you got at Rebel Rebel, it says: " the copyright in this sound recording and artwork is owned by universal island records ltd. for promo only-not for resale " - - -- - ---- - - - - Chris in NYC - - -- ----- - - - -- -- - - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:00:29 GMT From: pauljphillips@btinternet.com Subject: (orb) re: once more released - and purchased yep. the local hmv has the two versions of the single, with two extra mixes on each, I think. The bedrock mix is outstanding i reckon. I think I heard Alex play this a while ago at a DJ set in Yang in Glasgow. Its also on that betalounge set. I never actually realised before that it was 'once more' because it is quite different, I just thought 'that's a top tune, what the hell is it?' Now I know :) paul. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 05:29:46 -0500 (EST) From: Chain Reaction Subject: (orb) CR ftp address >Smiley just uploaded 2 Groovetech sessions to the Chain Reaction ftp, and I've moved them into the [Orb] directory. At the moment I'm trying to convert 'm (*.rm) to mp3. A few people mailed me to request the site's address. It's: #For downloads: ip: 137.224.147.130 Port: 21 Login: orb Password: orb #For uploads: ip: 137.224.147.130 Port: 21 Login: orbupload Password: orbupload Later, Steph... "Life films us exactly.." - Vladislav Delay ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:24:56 GMT From: "Mathew Owen Henderson" Subject: [none] Hi, I've just joined the mailing list. I'm into FSOL, Orbital, The Orb, Aphex Twin and other similar artists. Like the prize monkey I am, I managed to miss Alex Paterson's set on Radio 1 a couple of nights ago. If anyone can help me acquire a copy of this I would be most grateful Cheers, Matt H # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:07:59 -0500 (EST) From: Chain Reaction Subject: (orb) Groovetech mp3s Greetinx Orbers! Both Groovetech Sessions Smiley uploaded as *.rm files to the Chain Reaction ftp have been converted to mp3 (128 kbps/44kHz). Streambox Ripper really makes one's life easier. Grab away... #For downloads: ip: 137.224.147.130 Port: 21 Login: orb Password: orb #For uploads: ip: 137.224.147.130 Port: 21 Login: orbupload Password: orbupload Still looking for FAX stuff, by the way, so feel free... ;-) 2theloo, Steph... "Life films us exactly.." - Vladislav Delay ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:10:13 -0500 From: Reverend djbluE Subject: Re: (orb) Re: once more...Promo > If you read the last line of the fine print on the Brown cover 12" single > that you got at Rebel Rebel, it says: > " the copyright in this sound recording and artwork is owned by universal > island records ltd. for promo only-not for resale " okay... I'm a fool.. I looked too, when I bought it a few weeks ago, and didn't see it.. disregard everything I've said! (ever!) - -b # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:22:25 -0500 From: "RadiORB-It's Not Just For Christmas" Subject: (orb) RadiORB In case anyone is interested, I created a radio station at www.Live365.com that broadcasts nothing but Orb remixes all the time. It's pretty much just a random loop of tracks that the Orb have remixed, plus a couple of things LX was a member of, plus a couple of rarer Orb bits. The quality is not the greatest because I wanted it to work on lower bandwidth connections. But there is more than enough stuff there that you won't hear the same song twice for a day or so. Go to www.live365.com, search for RadiORB, and give it a listen. Thanks, E PS-Thanks to Lazlo for the idea a long time ago. I just got around to it recently though... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:23:42 -0600 From: John Moxness Subject: (orb) grass in space? too many parallels to not post this to the list. http://www.channel3000.com/news/stories/news-45944720010213-180218.html john # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:51:29 -0000 From: Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk Subject: (orb) Cydonia and Ting Got me "proper" copy of Cydonia today and I was just having a skim through the booklet...anyone care to put forward a theory on the relevance of the Seal and Pyramid? My mind just keeps saying Sign and the Seal, but I'm sure there is some connection with the Mars/Aliens/Pyramids thing. I'm saying nothing more than that. Anyone know what the text across each page is on about? Some of it seems to be in Latin, and the bits I can read seem to relate to the Viking probe sent to Mars....which would tie in again I guess. On a positive note, it's a better pressing than the CDR's I've got and listened to ;-) AND - we get the chance to see exactly what else the Welsh bloke talked about other than milk/beer rationing in world war II.....as some of the samples used are acknowledged. TTFN Matt PS Justin who works for Ikon - would that be the office in Leeds? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:22:21 -0600 From: Don Gagen Subject: (orb) Once more Promo Can someone please give me the details of the 3 promos. ...colors, tracks, and catalog numbers. I found plenty of them on the net, but I want to make sure I order the correct ones. Don "Don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry." D. Banner DONALD D GAGEN MAILTO:DGAGEN@ENSEMBLESTUDIOS.COM ENSEMBLE STUDIOS http://www.ensemblestudios.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:30:11 -0500 (EST) From: laerm Subject: Re: (orb) Cydonia and Ting On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk wrote: > AND - we get the chance to see exactly what else the Welsh bloke > talked about other than milk/beer rationing in world war II.....as > some of the samples used are acknowledged. wow, credited samples on an orb record? never thought i'd see it. :) micah stupak /"\ laerm@soulfood.org ascii ribbon campaign \ / international bright young kook against HTML email X / \ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 07:35:06 -1000 From: "dirk dogood" Subject: Re: (orb) Cydonia and Ting Could/possibly be a reference to the Freemasons and secret societies. Check out Robert Anton Wilson's "Illuminatus Trilogy." Or actually any robert anton wilson book will do. Havent seen the cover or notes myself though. g >anyone care to put forward a theory on the relevance of the >Seal and Pyramid? My mind just keeps saying Sign and the Seal, but I'm sure >there is some connection with the Mars/Aliens/Pyramids thing. > >I'm saying nothing more than that. Anyone know what the text across each >page is on about? Some of it seems to be in Latin, and the bits I can read >seem to relate to the Viking probe sent to Mars....which would tie in again >I guess. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:33:28 -0500 From: "Long, Joshua L." Subject: (orb) Cydonia I noticed that AB-CD has Cydonia Listed for sale, but my question is why do they have one for $17.97 and one for $23.97? Any thoughts on this one?............Nevermind I just figured it out. But whats the defference between the UK version and the US version? Joshua Long longj@rjrt.com jmzd4@msn.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail message, including any attachment(s), contains information that may be confidential, protected by the attorney-client or other legal privileges, and/or proprietary non-public information. If you are not an intended recipient of this message or an authorized assistant to an intended recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then delete it from your system. Use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this message and/or any of its attachments (if any) by unintended recipients is not authorized and may be unlawful. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:50:34 -0800 From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (orb) Re: FTP and once more... "Dan G." wrote: > > What are you going on about, Chris? > > I thought Promo CD's were not for sale. so how did you buy one? And you > talk about piracy.... Record companies (generally) don't sell promos. The people that they give them to can and do sell them. That is perfectly legal under US (and I believe UK) law, and the record companies' only recourse is against the people that they originally gave the promos to. (And strangely, they very rarely take such recourse...) I bought the promos in question from someone on eBay, and from an online shop (just like those clamoring for mp3s could, if they put a little bit of effort into it), and they were not prohibitively expensive (indeed they were pretty cheap, all things considered (probably less than I'll pay for the commercial import releases)), which pretty much removes any legitimate rationale for the immediate piracy of the tracks in question. There is (believe it or not) a difference between acquiring an "official" promo, and asking for an mp3 download. Please, try to understand what I'm on about before posting...it saves us all time and effort. :) > When you run an FTP, you can do whatever you like "on principle". Till then, > try not to worry about other people's so much. Maybe you work for a record > company??? hmmm.... Except that at least one of the FTPs in question is supposed to be run in at least vague accordance with Alex's stated wishes...and it wouldn't kill the others to do the same thing. Removing access to v1 of Cydonia for a while would seem to me to be an act of good faith; but that's just my opinion. No, I don't work for a record company (see previous post where I disclaim any respect for them), but apparently there is what I consider a certain lack of ethics (or is it just laziness?) increasingly prevalent, not to mention a lack of respect for the wishes of the artist that we all claim to be fans of. So: 1) The tracks are available, if one cares to actually look for them. 2) Alex has asked that current releases not be distributed by fans. 3) We don't know what will be on any Once More releases aside from the UK ones. That leaves potentially the US, Japan, and Germany that could easily have commercial releases, all of which often have more tracks than UK releases. Draw your own conclusions. (Although the "proper" conclusion should be pretty obvious.) ;) I can't make anyone do anything. All I can do is speak up when something bothers me. If my doing that bothers *you*, perhaps you should try to figure out why you are bothered. Or ignore me. :) Chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:58:45 -0800 From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (orb) ORBULLETIN: Once More release "James A. Crippen" wrote: > > On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Chris Johnson wrote: > > I respect all of your opinions. I was under the impression that this was > release was restricted, and that it wouldn't be available to the likes of > me. With the modern 'net, just about everything is available to anyone who cares to look. > I'm only going to take offense with one of your comments: > > > Distance/remoteness stopped being an excuse for piracy the instant you > > got online. > PS: That was humorous, satirical flamage. All counterflames > /nev/dull. Taken in the spirit intended. :) I do owe you an apology. For whatever reason, your posts over time had led me to assume that you were younger/newer to the net than you apparently are. My mistake. But the essence of my point remains... Anyway...I've been trying to figure out what the hell the figure on the Once More single art was since I first saw it. The best I could do was figure it was a return to the Orb astronaut. Imagine my surprise when I saw a picture of the commercial single, and realized that is was a woman (Aki?) in a slightly odd posture. Did anyone "get" it from just the promos? Chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:56:55 -0700 From: Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk Subject: (orb) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:54:57 -0000 >>Did anyone "get" it from just the promos? yep. I thought it was quite clear....having been told today that once more isn't "out yet" at my local record shop I don't have a "normal" copy. Is it different? I don't really see what your justification is for having a go at someone just because you think they are new to the net? So fucking what if they are? What bearing has it got to anything? I think a few people on this list need to take themselves a little less seriously...it's like your looking down on other people because they are not as big an Orb fan as you because they don't have promos....again, what does it matter? Yeah, I agree with whoever it was that said you can't moan about not getting Promos if you're not ready to part with cash....but EVERYone can't own EVERY recording...it's not possible. I'm fortunate enough to earn a decent wage and be a in position that I can spunk my wages on whatever I please, so I can indulge in getting those mispressings or "10 only" CDR's or whatever. I still don't get why you're having a go because you thought he was a net newbie? Perplexed of Doncaster........ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:22:21 -1000 From: "dirk dogood" Subject: Re: (orb) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:54:57 -0000 there is also the possibility of doing trades fer trades. that way no one loses money, nor does the artist lose money either. the stuff i have been trading are liberated orb bootlegs and other things that were of such a limited edition that no normal human being would be able to find it. if you go to http://www.google.com and do a search "cdr trading" i am sure that you can find tons of promos and live shite. more than you could possibly ever need. just remember that its all karma based: dont fuck someone, or you'll get fucked by an entire list of people. c >Yeah, I agree with whoever it was that said you can't moan about not >getting >Promos if you're not ready to part with cash....but EVERYone can't own >EVERY >recording...it's not possible. I'm fortunate enough to earn a decent wage >and be a in position that I can spunk my wages on whatever I please, so I >can indulge in getting those mispressings or "10 only" CDR's or whatever. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:28:13 -0800 From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (orb) ORBULLETIN: Once More release Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk wrote: > > >>Did anyone "get" it from just the promos? > > yep. I thought it was quite clear....having been told today that once more > isn't "out yet" at my local record shop I don't have a "normal" copy. Is it > different? Yeah...it is a color, if blurry, shot in the foreground, as opposed to the shadowy, effected background version on the promos. > I don't really see what your justification is for having a go at someone > just because you think they are new to the net? So fucking what if they are? > What bearing has it got to anything? It wasn't a go at someone...everything I said still holds true, except for my "Distance/remoteness stopped being an excuse for piracy the instant you got online" comment, the exact phrasing of which was prompted by my mistaken belief that he was relatively new to the net (and that e-commerce was accordingly a reality at the time). I stand corrected, and apologized for the mistake. Taken as a general statement, it is still true, however. > I think a few people on this list need to take themselves a little less > seriously...it's like your looking down on other people because they are not > as big an Orb fan as you because they don't have promos....again, what does > it matter? No, that wasn't the thrust of my comments at all. All I'm on about is that mp3ing current releases isn't the best idea, for a variety of reasons. I was merely pointing out that these items are available to anyone who cares to invest a little time and money, thereby rendering the "I can't find them" argument moot. > Yeah, I agree with whoever it was that said you can't moan about not getting > Promos if you're not ready to part with cash....but EVERYone can't own EVERY > recording...it's not possible. I'm fortunate enough to earn a decent wage > and be a in position that I can spunk my wages on whatever I please, so I > can indulge in getting those mispressings or "10 only" CDR's or whatever. Yeah, I've noticed you on eBay, and am jealous. :P (Really.) But there are a *lot* of the Once More promos out there right now; anyone who wants to can own them, in a very real sense. And given that, there is (IMO) no good reason to fly in the face of Alex's stated wishes by prematurely distributing mp3s of the tracks in question. > I still don't get why you're having a go because you thought he was a net > newbie? I wasn't (see above). I was "having a go" at him because I believed he was asking for something inappropriate/unnecessary/unethical/whatever. My opinions, my post. Y'all are free to disagree and/or ignore me, but please try to understand what I'm actually saying. :) Chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 07:48:39 -0500 From: "RadiORB-It's Not Just For Christmas" Subject: (orb) Elvis sighting For anyone who cares... The Elvis song (starting around 24:40) sampled in the BreezeBlock mix by LX was A Little Less Conversation. It's from one of those late Sixties movies he did, and there is also a version of it from the '68 Comeback Special. And no, I didn't know that off the top of my head. And, just in case there is anyone out there who doesn't recognize it, the samples starting around 50:20 are from 2001: A Space Odyssey. He also samples that movie a lot in one of the Teatime mixes. And why hasn't anyone said anything about the U2-Def & Numb remix that finally shows up in this set? I know I've been looking forward to that one for years. I guess I wasn't missing as much as I thought I was. (starts around 42:00 I think) E # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 22:04:54 +0800 From: JC Subject: (orb) Guy Pratt I bought the Michael Hutchence CD (1999) yesterday for a very cheap price, and I noticed on the credits that Guy Pratt played bass on some of the tracks. Let me Show you Fear Don't save me from myself Put the pieces back together FYI, Guy Pratt co-wrote Hamlet of Kings with LX. JCFromParis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:44:21 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Farrelly Subject: (orb) Fav Bands here are some of my fav artists at the moment in no particular order: Orbital Sun Eletric Project Noone Spacetime Continuum Two Lone Swordsmen Daniel Ibbotson Photek Artemis Frederic Galliano Tayla Lagowski Red Snapper James-Johnson Daniel Farrelly daniel@flourescent.net http://www.flourescent.net ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:14:05 -0800 From: Ed Subject: (orb) Re: Promos > > > I thought Promo CD's were not for sale. > > They aren't. They are sent to media types for review and airplay. > These media types then trade them in to shops that sell used > records/CD's/etc. if they aren't interested in keeping it in their own > collection. Or someone from one record company takes a box of promo's > and trades them to a record store to obtain records/CD's from other > labels that they don't have access too. Here in the LA area most of > these "new" CD's that are promo's carry a $8.99 used price. The > crime would be if they put it on sale for the full price of a standard > purchase copy. In LA if you are willing to wait you can find promo's > of most new releases within a couple of weeks after there release. > Once it's second hand/used the label has no control. I've got all > sorts of stuff stamped on LP's and CD's that are promo's saying they > own the recording. I've yet to see a record company pay a penny to > track down a promo in someone's collection. > > Edward # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of orb-digest V2 #418 *************************