From: owner-orb-digest@lists.xmission.com (orb-digest) To: orb-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: orb-digest V2 #479 Reply-To: orb-digest Sender: owner-orb-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-orb-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes orb-digest Friday, June 22 2001 Volume 02 : Number 479 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 15:06:25 -0700 From: "Seofon / ATOI" Subject: (orb) quick non-Orb plea Does anyone have any of the following for CD-R or mp3 trade? I'll make it worth your while! System 7 "Altitude" Woob "Void part 2" (12-inch) Woob "Woob Woob Woob" (demo) The 4th Barramundi Compilation - -=Seofon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 17:18:29 -0700 From: Ed Subject: (orb) What's In Your Bag? OK, thought it might be time for a new thread. Many of us profess to be DJ's (part time, full time, on the side, etc. etc.) So lets open up those record bags/boxes and see what everyone is lugging around this week. Currently I'm using a large bag I bought from Moving Shadow Records in the UK. It's supposed to hold 70 or 80 12"/LP's. It's jammed to the limit. I'm numbering the discs just to see how many there actually are. 1. The Avengers-Laurie Johnson Orchestra 2. Cydonia-The Orb 2xLP 3. Scarborough Fair-Another Fine Day (Orb mix) 4. Select Cuts From Blood & Fire-Various 2xLP 5. Once More(Blue Cover)-The Orb (12") 6. 10,000 Hz Legend-Air 2xLP 7. Chill Out-KLF LP 8. Autumn Tactics-Chicane 12" 9. Lullaby of Clubland-EBTG 2x12" 10. Tracey In My Room-EBTG vs Soul Vision 12" 11. The Mirror Conspiracy-Thievery Corp. 2xLP 12. Shining(Repolished Versions)-Peace Orch. 2x12" 13. Not 17-Mondalay 12" (for that Tom Middleton mix) 14. Real Ibiza 4-Various 3xLP 15. Breakin' It Down-Petalpusher 12" 16. Music & Wine-Blue Six 12" 17. You Are Love-Lovetronic 12" 18. Surrender-Patalpusher 12" 19. Pure-Blue Six 12" 20. Only-Aquanote 12" 21. Rely On Me-Petalpusher 12" 22. Nude Directions EP-Undercover Agency/Project 4 12" 23. Carte Blanche Vol. 1-Various 2xLP 24. Carte Blanche Vol. 2-Various 2xLP 25. Sincere/Crazy Love-MJ Cole 12" 26. What It Feels Like For A Girl-Madge 2x12" 27. Dream On-Depeche Mode 2x12" 28. Interlude-St. Etienne LP 29. Slave-Sade vs Josh Patrick 12" White Label 30. Tourist-St. Germain 2xLP 31. Release The Dubs-Leftfield 12" White Label 32. Premiers Symptomes-Air LP 33. Fifth Release-Pizzicato Five 2xLP 34. New Latinaires 3-Various 2xLP 35. Refried Food Pt. 1&2 EP-DJ Food 2x12" 36. Music For Imaginary Films-Arling & Cameron 2xLP 37. Expo Remix-Kraftwerk. 2x12" 38. Groovy Vol. 5-Various 2xLP (jazzy club tracks) 39. GEF-(German Electro Funk?) 12" White Label [BLUE 011 - Blue vinyl - Anyone?] 40. Remixes '97 to '00-Jazzanova 5xLP plus a couple of 10" 41. Phat Planet-Leftfield 10" 42. Quango High-Tea Social EP-Various 10" and a couple of 7" 43. Buffalo Gals-Malcalm McLaren 7" 44. War-H.I.M. Haile Selassie I 7" 45. Sukiyaki-Kyu Sakamoto 7" That's it! Looking forward to see what your playing this week. DJ Edward aka Fountain Valley Lounge Lizard PS As far as CD's go I carry a backpack with CD's # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jun 2001 22:03:11 EDT From: Susan Bartos Subject: Re: [(orb) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 17:27:00 -0400] >:( ! "Meredith, Justin" wrote: ! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jun 2001 22:04:54 EDT From: Susan Bartos Subject: Re: [(orb) What's In Your Bag?] I'm not a DJ, not even close, but this is what's in heavy rotation on the= turntable/CD player this week. (Does that count? Well, you get to find = out anyway! ;) ) Interlude, St. Eitenne Dream On (Pink Noise club mix), DM Dr. LX Paterson's Voyage into Paradise New Year's Dub (DJ Elite mix), Musique v. U2 Earth (gaia), the orb Let There Be Light (Hardfloor mix), Oldfield Ed wrote: OK, thought it might be time for a new thread. Many of us profess to be DJ's (part time, full time, on the side, etc. etc.) So lets open up those record bags/boxes and see what everyone is lugging around this week. = # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 22:37:29 -0500 From: "Maniac Industries" Subject: June 23rd - Ignis Fatuus On June 23rd, Liquid Arts Productions Presents: Ignis Fatuus Check out the website for more information http://www=2Emaniacindustries=2Ecom/la=2Ehtm We respect your right to privacy, to unsubscribe, reply or send a message = to mailinglist@maniacindustries=2Ecom with the unsubscribe command in the = subject of your message: *questions and comments can be directed to events@maniacindustries=2Ecom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 00:11:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Baker Subject: Re: (orb) What's In Your Bag? Baja Marimba Band Rides Again "Magnifico!" _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 17:51:22 +0800 From: Kael Driscoll Subject: (orb) solipse hey that crazy solipse festival is on in zambia as we write.... http://www.solipse.com/ does anyone know of anyone who has gone to see the Orb reunion?????? quote: This gig is a live jam session with three of the former Orb members - Alex Paterson, Youth & Greg Hunter. This is not the Orb as they currently play, but will be a unique experience not to be missed ! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:55:41 +0200 (MET DST) From: SEBENNE Johan Subject: (orb) Voyage into paradise... Hi, Just caught Dr Alex Paterson's 'Voyage into Paradise' on liquid sound design and it sounds really great particularly DUb Trees... For those who have it, is their album in the same vein ??? Bye Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 08:53:36 -0400 (EDT) From: james.drysdale@utoronto.ca Subject: (orb) high-capacity MP3 Players Does anybody on the list have a high-capacity portable MP3 player? I was thinking of purchasing one, but don't really know where to start. The Creative Nomad Jukebox looks pretty good, but I hear there are other siliar devices out there as well. Any comments? james ......ooooooOOOOOOoooooo...... "God help us. We're in the hands of engineers." - - from Jurassic Park # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:10:41 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Smiley?= Subject: (orb) ORBULLETIN: BAD ORB ACTIVE SOON. HOPEFULLY. # This is an Orb announcement from the ORBULLETINS mailing list. ORBULLETINS # help is available by emailing "info orbulletins" to majordomo@xmission.com. # We're now on the web at http://www.theorb.com a little something of interest to some of you... ***** the BADORB CREDIT CARD PAYING SYSTEM SHOULD BE IN ACTION BY FRIDAY... ***** watch this space... cheers, - --- Smiley ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 18:31:53 +0200 From: Orb in me Subject: Re: (orb) high-capacity MP3 Players At 08:53 21-6-01 -0400, james.drysdale@utoronto.ca wrote: >Does anybody on the list have a high-capacity portable MP3 player? > >I was thinking of purchasing one, but don't really know where to start. > >The Creative Nomad Jukebox looks pretty good, but I hear there are other >siliar >devices out there as well. Any comments? I have a Philips Expanium. It plays from CD, either audio or CDrom with MP3's. 10 hours of play at 128K bitrate on one CD and a set of AA size batteries. They are being dumped now so if you search, you should be able to get one cheap. I bought mine for 75 quid or so in Hong Kong. Expect to pay (a little) more here. Drawbacks: you have to burn a cd full of MP3's first; Low gain on the headphone out; Not much info on the badly lit display. Pluspoints: 10 hours of music and it will also play regular CD's; very good soundquality; 100% shockproof (it has a 90 second audio buffer when playing MP3's!!) - --orb in me # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:57:57 -0400 (EDT) From: james.drysdale@utoronto.ca Subject: Re: (orb) high-capacity MP3 Players Hmm...I should've said that I don't have a CD burner! I suppose I could purchase one, and buy a portable CD player that recognizes data CDs with MP3s on them, but then the price would be about the same as a portable player with a hard drive (a la Nomad jukebox or PMJ - personal music jukebox) - which (as I understand) can also double as a portable hard drive! james > >Does anybody on the list have a high-capacity portable MP3 player? ......ooooooOOOOOOoooooo...... "God help us. We're in the hands of engineers." - - from Jurassic Park # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:44:54 -0700 From: "*MoonDogg*" Subject: RE: (orb) high-capacity MP3 Players I have the Archos Jukebox 6000. www.archos.com On paper, it was the most appealing to me. Very small. 6GB hard drive, with 2 sets of NiMh batteries that last up to 8 hours. Cheaper than the others. However, like I said recently, you get what you pay for. At first I was stoked. Being able to fit over 100 CDs worth of music in my pocket and take it easily in the car, riding my bike, snowboarding, etc. is unbelievably convenient. A hard disk based player is definitely the way to go. Especially when considering the cost is not much more than the 128 MB memory based players. On top of that, it acts just like a hard drive. You can store any type of files on it. Use it to transfer files to and from work, etc. Most players do not let you do this, as they are 'upload only'. However, after 2 months of using it, I have determined it is a complete piece of crap. It shuts off all the time. The batteries are poorly mounted and lose contact with each other, disrupting the power, if you put even the slightest pressure on the corners. It has a very difficult time dealing with .mp3s that have ID tags, making all kinds of squawking noises, or not playing at all. My recommendation? Avoid this one. The Nomad is probably better quality, but I don't like the size, and, as far as I know, you can't use it to download files. I personally am going to wait for someone like Sony or Kenwood, etc. to build one. Definitely do not waste your money on a memory based model, as they are pretty much worthless compared to the hard drive players. Others I know about: http://www.pjbox.com/2001/go.htm http://www.iomagic.com/products/neo2200.htm *MoonDogg* - -----Original Message----- Subject: (orb) high-capacity MP3 Players Does anybody on the list have a high-capacity portable MP3 player? I was thinking of purchasing one, but don't really know where to start. The Creative Nomad Jukebox looks pretty good, but I hear there are other siliar devices out there as well. Any comments? james ......ooooooOOOOOOoooooo...... "God help us. We're in the hands of engineers." - - from Jurassic Park # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:12:02 -0600 From: "bi11i" Subject: (orb) cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey i recently upped this to a couple of the file servers if anyone is interested...(really the only change in tracks from cyd1) jeff # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:56:56 -0400 From: "Marcus Garvey" Subject: (orb) Somewhat OT :: Download >> Effector For those seeking twisted electro tracks similar to the ones that Alex mixes during his DJ sets, I highly recommend Download's latest release Effector ~ although it was released in Oct'00 I just happened across it last month and it has yet to leave my cd player. Effector is unlike any previous Download release as it relies on melodies and dance beats for much more organized structures and fluid transitions rather than the abrasive chaos and noise of previous releases. Key calls Effector a return to the roots, a return to the beginning again. We tried to keep the ideas on this album to a sense of what's more listenable instead of what's more fashionable, he says. Sometimes you get lost in trends and sometimes it requires going back and rediscovering what it was that attracted you to making music. - -j # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 17:17:00 -0400 From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: (orb) ONLINE RECORD STORES anyone know of a good place to check out? besides CDZONE or SisterRay? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:24:48 -0700 From: Jason Green Subject: Re: (orb) cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey > i recently upped this to a couple of the file servers if anyone is > interested...(really the only change in tracks from cyd1) First of all, thanks!!! :) Secondly, which servers? I have been dying to hear this one for a while... Thanks, _jason_ - -- Jason Green Apple Computer Inc. iTunes team / Applications Engineering dept. jgreen@apple.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 17:44:10 -0400 From: "dphjr1" Subject: (orb) ThursdayTeatime 25-01-01 Saw this on Napster. What is it? A live show? It's almost three hours long! Any help would be appreciate. Please reply offlist. Thanks. Hull # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:05:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason I Hicks Subject: (orb) jam on yer honey Try www.hardacid.com under the section for the Orb. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 02:30:52 +0100 From: "Alex" Subject: (orb) Orb in session with Mark Radcliffe Radio1 hello orbsters. I have a tape I recorded in 95 around July. It is a Radio1 session with Dr Alex P and Mark Radcliffe (sort of promo session for Orbus Terrarum). just wondering if this recording is up on the orb archive? I havent really had a chance to look, besides i dont know the ftp details. Cos if it isnt, I thought maybe I should try and mp3 it (somehow from tape) and upload it, to be friendly and all that :) any tips on recording from tape to hard disc welcomed, i guess the first thing i need is a very good tape deck? ok, cheers. Alex # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 22:07:46 -0400 From: "Reverend djbluE (Chromatest)" Subject: (orb) [Fwd: AB-CD New Release Update] got this, as well, as many of you probably, but I figured some would be interested... snipped for brevity... .............. we all have downloaded one way or another from these guys.... DUBLAB PRESENTS / VARIOUS - Freeways ...From the amazing Emperor Norton label comes an audio tour through the burgeoning electronic/underground & hip-hop scene in the city of Los Angeles. Every track on the compilation is an exclusive song that will not appear anywhere else." Artists include: Languis, Daedelus, Mia Doi Todd, Dntel, John Tejada, Mannequin Lung, Yesterday's New Quintet, Divine Styler, Damon Aaron, Nowhereman, Ammoncontac, Skull Valley, Adam Rudolph. $ 13.97 http://www.ab-cd.com/custom/cgi-bin/cat1/EMPN7039.2 this just sounded kinda cool....... MOTHER MALLARD'S PORTABLE MASTERPIECE COMPANY - Like A Duck To Water ...The world's first all synthesizer ensemble! This was their 2nd & final release, and was originally released in 1976. The music is a unique blend of space electronics (ala Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze), minimal music (Terry Riley, Philip Glass), and contemporary classical & electronics (Gordon Mumma, John Cage). A uniquely American slant on synthesizer music by a band whose pioneering contributions to the genre had been forgotten until now. Includes bonus CDRom material. $ 11.97 http://www.ab-cd.com/custom/cgi-bin/cat1/CUN147.2 again, the description got me.... NOODLES PART II / COMPILED BY SI BEGG / VARIOUS - Complete Death Of Cool ... "Noodles" sounds as if Negativland and the Tape Beatles were on Ninja Tune, making sounds the Bonzo Dog Band or Spike Jones could only dream of... $ 15.97 http://www.ab-cd.com/custom/cgi-bin/cat1/BAY14CD coldcut... nuff said COLDCUT & GUILTY PARTY - Re:volution (EP) $ 6.97 http://www.ab-cd.com/custom/cgi-bin/cat1/NJAT1288.2 I know a lot of us got plaid on the brain... PLAID - Double Figure $ 13.47 http://www.ab-cd.com/custom/cgi-bin/cat1/WRP84.2 this is reallly cool, I have it, but have yet to find the time to listen to it... go figure... it's on negativland's label. PLUNDERPHONICS - 69 Plunderphonics 96 $ 27.97 http://www.ab-cd.com/custom/cgi-bin/cat1/SEE515.2 this just seems really cool too. anybody know about Deep Space? WOBBLE, JAH & DEEP SPACE - Largely Live in Hartlepool and Manchester (Dbl) $ 19.97 http://www.ab-cd.com/custom/cgi-bin/cat1/30HZCD15 that's all... - -ben # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 02:11:30 -0000 From: "Otis Brown" Subject: [none] Hey there. I did a jungle remix of Montage D'Or a while. Here's a link in streaming Real Audio. Let me know what you all think: http://www.iuma.com/mugly-bin/ramgen.ram?aid=42406&sid=117600 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 20:22:07 -0700 From: "Nexus" Subject: Re: (orb) What's In Your Bag? Though I know most of you hate this stuff, I spin a lot of dark progressive techy stuff with some occaisional trance or breaks records, minidisk mixes are available if you want em... 1- the absolute family- encense's road/snaky way 2- the orb- AHEGPB>>> Starecase remix!!!!! 3- trancecentral station-tears 4- jerry bonham- erendira 5- future acoustics- the strobe 6- prototype- control of sound 7- praha - pachinko ( chab' dub) 8- pitch black -come to me/ fingers burnt 9- subtech-give in to the pressure 10-cass& slide - glad i ate her 11- sasha- the unreleased dj mixes (lupus & scorchio) 12-parks and wilson- feel the drums ep 13- brethren- reservation 14- max graham- shoreline/falling together 15-slacker-slack man sound/ fusion plus tons of others for the non house stuff 16- orb- cydonia 2x12" 17- orb -once more brown cover w/ the ft explores satan mix 18- orb- fluffy clouds '98 19- sasha- baja 20- orb -orbus terrarvm 21- cass - cerebral noodles cheers! - -Chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 22:48:07 -0500 From: Brian Subject: (orb) Ok, so WTF is up with Badorb? So, what the f*&$ is up with badorb? Did they order? Press? How the hell can I order? Why does flash suck so badly? Can anyone tell me what's going on? This is really frustrating, and I'll be highly pissed if I can't get the badorb releases because I couldn't order. Anyone? Smiley? - -=brian=- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 01:01:23 EDT From: CarsTrucksBuses@aol.com Subject: (orb) anything ive posted a few times on this same subject, but i havent gotten any responses so im just as curious...i'm looking for any of the released orb vids (patterns and textures esp!! - adventures beyond is one of my fav albums)...if someone has them and would copy em for me, or if someone will just point me in the right direction of where i can find it...anything you could tell me will prolly help... peace tom # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 10:47:13 +0100 From: Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey >>I have been dying to hear this one for a while... Don't get too excited......... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 04:02:35 -0600 From: "bi11i" Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey I thought it was a nice treat, anyone else have some sort of review for this song? > > >>I have been dying to hear this one for a while... > > Don't get too excited......... > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 11:30:25 +0100 From: Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey That wasn't my review........It's not bad - sort of a breakbeaty tune with a cross fader type wash in/out running though it with a nice sort of squeaky thing in the background. In comparison to some of the other tunes on Cydonia, it's not that good. I suspect that it's the "unheard" or rare factor that interests most people. The reason that I [and other people] didn't rip it and up it to OAA is because it's not that hard to get hold a promo copy if you really want it. I just think most people are too lazy to get off their arse and find it or too tight to get their money out........I've seen several GENUINE copies of V2 on Ebay go for not a lot. It is better than ERM or Red Worm [off the Radio 1 sessions]. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 06:26:06 -0700 From: orbette Subject: Re: (orb) What's In Your Bag? Here is what is in one of my bags (I have three), listed alphabetically Alphawezen - L'apres Midi d'un Microphone Beady Belle - Home Block 16 - Morning Sun Broadway Project - Compassion Burnt Friedman - Plays Love Songs Crystal Method - Tweekend Cybophonia - Cybophonia Dauerfisch - Crime of the Century Claude Debussy - Premiere Rhapsodie pour Saxaphone De-Phazz - Death By Chocolate Fauna Flash - Fusion Fila Brazillia - Sycot Motion (EP) Dexter Gordon - Go Jaga Jazzist - A Livingroom Hush Joakim Lone Octet - Tiger Sushi J-Walk - The Wasp/French Letter (12inch) Roland Kirk - We Free Kings Elvin Jones/Kenny Garrison Sextet - Illumination! Leggo Beast - Sines and Cymbals Lemongrass - Windows Pressure Drop - Tread Shantel - Great Delay Susumu Yakota - Grinning Cat Tetris - Tetris Uko - Uko Underwolves - Under Your Sky Various Artists Black Coffee 3 Bongo Sketches Volume 1 Dub Plates from the Lamp Headlands: Deepdown Tempos Volume 02 Kaleidoscopic Beats La Yellow Colleccion Om Lounge 5 Pro Cannibis 4 Room Service Roots of Dub Funk Sonarkolletiv Sushi 4004 Waldeck - The Night Garden Xploding Plastix - Amateur Girlfriends Go Proskirt Agents 'bette np: Deadbeats - Funky for You # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 08:57:53 -0400 (EDT) From: james.drysdale@utoronto.ca Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey Wellll....it could be argued that a lot of the stuff on the OAA isn't "that hard to get"...if you've got the cash and patience to scour the net for the discs. And the availablility of "genuine" discs is usually dependent on your geographic location... I thought the OAA was made for the purpose of sharing such albums...especially the hard-to-get promos. This isn't a flame or anything...just an opinion. james > The reason that I [and other people] didn't rip it and up it to OAA is > because it's not that hard to get hold a promo copy if you really want > it. I just think most people are too lazy to get off their arse and find it or > too tight to get their money out........I've seen several GENUINE copies of > V2 on Ebay go for not a lot. ......ooooooOOOOOOoooooo...... "God help us. We're in the hands of engineers." - - from Jurassic Park # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 14:13:54 +0100 From: Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey No, you're missing the point. Yes stuff like the Radio 1 session is impossible to own originally because it's a Radio broadcast. Stuff like the 58 minute demo of Loving you is the same because it's a copy of an audio tape and was never released. Stuff like Jam on yer honey and the Once More promos are available, despite them being promo only. Someone on the list ably proved this the other day when she got hold of all three vinyl copies for less than I paid for them - and she was in the US. Like I said, it's not impossible or expensive. Geography has no relevance whatsoever - see my point above. You hit the nail on the head with Patience - like I said. Laziness. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 10:02:02 -0400 (EDT) From: james.drysdale@utoronto.ca Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey I agree it's not impossible to obtain the stuff you're describing...it's just that it might be prohibitively expensive or difficult for some (NOT all) people. Some people collect hard-to-get albums and such as a hobby. Others just like to listen to the music. I tend to think that people who download from the OAA fall into the latter category. I also agree that the Radio broadcasts and tape conversions on the OAA are impossible to find elsewhere - but most of the other stuff on the OAA isn't. Bootlegs and singles can also be found on e-bay or other places...at a cost. The OAA is a place where people put these albums to share with other listmembers so they don't have to spend the time/money looking for them. I won't argue that it doesn't decrease the value of the original albums (which may be what you're worried about). I'm not sure that a lack of patience is equivalent to laziness, though. > You hit the nail on the head with Patience - like I said. Laziness. james ......ooooooOOOOOOoooooo...... "God help us. We're in the hands of engineers." - - from Jurassic Park # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:26:56 +0100 From: Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey Without being rude, you're missing my point. It's nothing to do with the value - my point is this. If I can be bothered to look for stuff and get it then it's not that hard as other people have already shown. I'm not on any DJ mailing lists, don't know the band's management or have any contacts in the record business...... I managed to get hold of the US promo of Once More for 8 quid, which I'm sure you'll agree is not a lot of money. It was one of only three purchases I made that month as I no longer have a huge amount of "spare" cash with two mortgages to pay. Everyone seems to moan that it's impossible to find promo stuff, especially in the states - so what the fuck am I doing with a US promo in the UK??? If you had the OPTION of spending [some] money on Orb releases [whether they be promo or normal] or sitting on your fat arse and downloading them for nothing - which would you do??? It may seem like I'm making a big deal out of this, but the thing is that some listees have the fucking temerity to ASK people to up stuff to the OAA like they have a right to it - that to me is laziness. The other major bitch is that it's "so hard to get promo stuff" like I keep saying - it's not. If someone "really really wants to hear" something and they can't be bothered to TRY and find it or shell out some cash when they do, then you have to question how much they "really" want it. Ebay CAN be a little expensive, but I got a Cydonia CDR for a tenner from there - so get rid of that misconception before you go any further. Stuff is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. There are plenty of online record shops that specialise in OOP stuff or promo stuff, some are expensive some aren't - the URL's were posted not that long ago. Not everyone can own every record, but then surely you/others can see that no-one has a right to be able to listen to it if they don't have it? I wouldn't expect it, if there was something I couldn't get hold of or simply couldn't afford then it's tough shit in my book. I'd do without, I certainly wouldn't EXPECT someone to copy it for me. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 07:37:12 -0700 From: "gliddenm@nettaxi.com" Subject: (orb) lazyness and the world of buying >Stuff like Jam on yer honey and the Once More promos are available, despite >them being promo only. Someone on the list ably proved this the other day >when she got hold of all three vinyl copies for less than I paid for them - >and she was in the US. > >Like I said, it's not impossible or expensive. > >Geography has no relevance whatsoever - see my point above. > >You hit the nail on the head with Patience - like I said. Laziness. while i don't want this to escalate into a flamewar, i can't let this stuff go by..these arguments came up originally with the OAA stuff (which i participated in)...it's possible to find this stuff (i finally got the once more promo 12" i was looking for- among other items)...it's nice to get collectibles; i've spent a lot of money on this crap (ahem, i also just recently got the aubrey mixes)...i don't really see the big deal though- it's not someone else's fault if you buy something as an investment and the price goes down...you should enjoy what you have and stick with that.. in the case of promos- if you buy those LX isn't getting money anyway (i assume, call me an ass if i'm wrong)...so while it's cool to buy promo stuff (which i've done) it's not as if it's making LX poor because you aren't... i've recently resorted to buying some stuff on ebay i haven't found elsewhere (pomme fritz vinyl, etc)...i love having the record, even though i've had the cd for years- still i recognize buying it on ebay from some guy means LX doesn't get a cent of it...but i enjoy having the item as much as i enjoy listening to the music... so anyway, the OAA's cool because you can download stuff that otherwise you have to fork over big money for in a secondary market where the only profit goes to whoever originally bought the album in question (not that there's necessarily a problem with that, either). the only problem i see (and a reasonable argument could be made) is with super-recent promo stuff...it might get released as a commercial release at some point..hopefully people on the list that access the various OAA ftp sites can be trusted in times like these- i don't really like the alternative of not getting rare tracks out there (ie, if i hadn't heard the mp3 of the jimmy cauty remix of 'once more' i probably wouldn't have spent weeks searching out the 12" promo so i could get it)... so yeah, it's cool to buy promos and stuff, but i don't think someone should be criticized for not doing it if they don't feel like spending the time/money searching for it (as in the case of cydonia v2.0). matt. - ------------------------------------------------------------ Shop Smart Compare Prices on Name-Brand Products from Name-Brand Stores!! http://www.smartshop.com/cgi-bin/main.cgi?ssa=4099 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 09:43:56 -0500 From: John Moxness Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey matt, why don't you just go around and buy up all the orb promos that are so easy to find and that way when ever anyone is looking for one they can just give the old mattster a jingle and bingo its on its way. do you have credit card capabilities? thanks matt. john # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:56:23 +0100 From: Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey hmmm, resort to sarcasm when faced with facts. Speak to the newish US lady listee who got all 3 Once More UK promos for 30 dollars.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 11:19:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey > If I can be bothered to look for stuff and get it then it's not that hard as > other people have already shown. I'm not on any DJ mailing lists, don't know > the band's management or have any contacts in the record business...... Its really something you have to look at on a case by case basis. The simple fact is that the amount of time and or money and or effort required to find that one particular rare gem is not always something that everyone can give. > I managed to get hold of the US promo of Once More for 8 quid, which I'm > sure you'll agree is not a lot of money. Given your reference to the word 'quid' I assume you are living in the no-longer-as-great-as-when-it-was-a-huge-empire Britain. :) Okay, not all of us live there. Comparing record shopping in the UK to record shopping in, say, midwestern america is tantamount to comparing the quest for corn in a cornfield to the quest for water in a desert. This is due to many factors, not the least of which being that the orb lives in the UK, the orb's label is in the UK, and there are WAY more stores of MUCH higher caliber there than in MOST other places in the world. Keep things in perspective my friend! Most humans on the planet live in places where they're lucky to have a chain record store that carries 1500 copies of the new Backstreet boys album and nothing else. > It was one of only three purchases > I made that month as I no longer have a huge amount of "spare" cash with two > mortgages to pay. So you at least understand that particular roadblock to the process. :) > Everyone seems to moan that it's impossible to find promo stuff, especially > in the states - so what the fuck am I doing with a US promo in the UK??? Because even the US labels realize that there's a bigger market in the UK and send more stuff there. > If you had the OPTION of spending [some] money on Orb releases [whether they > be promo or normal] or sitting on your fat arse and downloading them for > nothing - which would you do??? Its not that simple! First off, the music industry is one of the few industries today that expects people to purchase things without knowing exactly what they're getting. You buy a cd in most places and the cds are sealed. If you're lucky, one or two songs from the CD may have been played on an obscure radio station, that normally specializes in peruvian llama music, at 3am christmas eve. Hence the HUGE draw of people to services like napster... Put it this way. Imagine you want to buy a car. Your first thought is, I want to go and SEE the car and DRIVE the car and see what I think of it before I buy it. When you buy a house, you go and see the house. When you buy groceries, you can inspect the quality visually. I mean christ, you can even get samples of ice cream from most ice cream stores. If another industry other than our beloved producers of music tried to pull a stunt like this, people would go nuts! Imagine buying a car without ever seeing or test driving up. Unthinkable! So, I submit that it's a REASONABLE and NECESSARY step in the music buying process to LISTEN to what you're considering purchasing BEFORE you do so! Especially if the only actual copy you can find is sitting on ebay for $50 or hermetically sealed in plastic in some shi-shi NYC record store where they want $200 for it. > It may seem like I'm making a big deal out of this, but the thing is that > some listees have the fucking temerity to ASK people to up stuff to the OAA > like they have a right to it - that to me is laziness. The other major bitch > is that it's "so hard to get promo stuff" like I keep saying - it's not. You are assuming that downloading music is transplanting purchasing. Maybe they want it so they can HEAR it before they spend their hard earned money on it. Maybe they intend to buy it later, at a more reasonable price than the ones available at this particular moment. This is the same mistake that the RIAA is making; People do not download music, for the most part, instead of buying the actual song. Especially people on this list. Have a little faith in your fellow man! :) Granted there are some exceptions to this, but I think that the numbers speak for themselves (since the advent of napster, record sales OVERALL have skyrocketed, which is particularly interesting given that they have been steadily falling for decades, maybe due to this no-preview deal the record companies have going? :P) > If someone "really really wants to hear" something and they can't be > bothered to TRY and find it or shell out some cash when they do, then you > have to question how much they "really" want it. How do you know that they haven't!? You're assuming again... :) > Ebay CAN be a little expensive, but I got a Cydonia CDR for a tenner from > there - Wow. You're a lucky man. :) > Not everyone can own every record, but then surely you/others can see that > no-one has a right to be able to listen to it if they don't have it? I Hrm. I don't know if agree with this statement. I don't think that lack of ability or means to PURCHASE music should somehow prevent you from enjoying it. I mean, music originally was only played live, was totally transient, and free to all (more or less). All you needed was some skills and something to play on, even just your own voice. The advent of recorded music has somehow implied that someone can 'own' a piece of music. I agree that someone can own the right to make MONEY off of that music, but to imply that, once released, a song can be owned by anyone is silly! Anybody with half a brain and any music talent can hear a song, remember the lyrics, and repeat it themselves... Granted this is not quite as much the case with electronic music, but thats a limitation of the equipment upon which it is produced. I think the basic principle is the same. If someone wants simply to hear your song, LET THEM! Its not like you can really prevent them from bootlegging it anyways. :) > wouldn't expect it, if there was something I couldn't get hold of or simply > couldn't afford then it's tough shit in my book. I'd do without, I certainly > wouldn't EXPECT someone to copy it for me. You're thinking in terms of physical objects that cannot be reproduced digitally without damaging the original copy. I would agree with you if you were talking about a house. But we aren't talking about a house. :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of orb-digest V2 #479 *************************