From: owner-orb-digest@lists.xmission.com (orb-digest) To: orb-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: orb-digest V2 #480 Reply-To: orb-digest Sender: owner-orb-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-orb-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes orb-digest Friday, June 22 2001 Volume 02 : Number 480 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 11:22:54 -0400 From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: RE: (orb) What's In Your Bag? whoa - who woulda thought these guys are tweekers!? ::Crystal Method - Tweekend # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 11:47:26 -0400 From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey i think one of the big differences for finding records in the UK and US is being able to walk into a record store and being able to find what you are looking for, for the most part... well i don't know for sure how it is in the UK, but when i shop at the record stores around here i really have a hard time finding what i want, especially since most of the artists i listen to are from the UK. if i didn't have a credit card i'd be fucked, cuz it is nearly impossible to find GOOD electronic music in a record store around here. it seems, for the most part, that americans are still stuck to the guitar, so that is the kind of music that you will mostly find... i have never had too much trouble finding Orb albums, but like i said before, when i bought Cydonia when it came out, they didn't even have it out on the shelves, i had to ask for it... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 11:53:04 -0400 From: "" Subject: Re: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey I have to agree with Matt on this one. When faced with the choice between searching for rare music in a physical form or posting to the list for some one to up the item in question to an FTP site, which would you do? Hell, I've spent upwards of $40 for rare Orb Items both on eBay and from folks on this list. Hell, John Moxness alone charged me $45 for a used copy of the U.F. Orb 2xCD. I was happy to pay it (market value on eBay at the time shot it up to over $50) and I know John was more than happy to take it. The point that Matt was trying to make, whether you call it laziness or lack of patience or whatever, was that there is a BIG difference from being a fan in a remote location with out access to good stores or credit cards (for internet orders) and downloading tracks from the OAA to satisfy a craving to hear a rare piece and Just sitting at your office computer opting to scour an FTP site instead of trying to search for the item in question in the physical world. Of course, there are always exceptions. The argument goes that if you hear it on MP3 first and totally flip for something it will only serve to ignite the fire for the hunt that much more. On the other hand, I think it makes it easy to show a lack of patience. Consider the following: Do I: a) search for the item on eBay and other sites that "stock" OOP releases by my fave artists? OR b) connect to an FTP site or Napster-like service and hear the track in question 20 minutes from right now? As human nature dictates, most people will choose the path of least resistance. I don't believe that Matt was trying to legislate any morality. He was just playing devil's advocate on the side of actually trying your best to find a physical copy of the release (regardless of how it's sold... i.e. promo sales not reaching LX's pocket) versus NOT trying and just opting to d/l the track. Because more times than not it ends there. You hear the track a few times and then it rots on your hard-drive. Again, neither Matt nor I am trying to prove that MP3s are bad. I've got over 12 gigs of the stuff. Some I've gone out and bought originals for, others I have not. MP3s aren't inherently evil by any means. But it does bring in the question of how much the music is worth to you. For someone like me or Matt, searching for and procuring the original release is 2/3 the fun (the other 1/3 is the music). And since this point is rarely advocated in terms of the OAA and finding rare Orb releases, I think you can see where he and I are coming from. Matt's post was also to refute the excuse that Promo's are hard to come by or are way to expensive. While I can't refute that it can be costly to collect rare music, the effort to find these releases w/ the advent of the Internet is no where near as hard as it was before it. You have access to record stores across the WORLD just by using your computer. Imagine, ten years ago you had to scour brick-and-mortar establishments, which for most people was limited to what was in their immediate area (save for hitting stores while on vacation). Regardless the reason you download from the OAA, you do your self a dis-service by not at least superficially trying to track down a release in the physical realm. It's always worth it in the end. Because any reason not to search for it, is just that: an excuse. : e r i c : : visual artist : web producer : www.thezenlab.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 18:33:24 +0200 From: marcolphus Subject: (orb) Orb's "Yungle" vs Orbital's "Meltdown" Don't you think that both songs are kinda similar?? Both are fast, drum'n'bass style like and 10 minutes long... I found them both very nice :-) - -- == http://i.am/marcolphus ========== Fluke & Voo Voo discographies == == gry dodawane do czasopism ==== http://strony.poland.com/markolf == # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 13:19:01 -0400 From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: (orb) synethesia ok - i hope you guys find this interesting... it's about the guitarist from some band named TOOL... http://www.toolband.com/identity/index.html Justin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 18:16:57 +0100 From: Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey WHOOOOOOOSH. Someone call the whoosh police cos my points went sailing over most of your heads.......... Again - I'm not saying don't use the OAA - all I'm saying is:- 1. don't EXPECT stuff to be on there. 2. don't moan when people don't put stuff on there. 3. don't take the piss and EXPECT people to burn CD's left right and centre [John M's email was NOT the only one I received, I got about 40. I've had others since about different stuff]. 4. don't moan about stuff not being available. It is. 5. don't moan about record shops not stocking stuff. It's available. I'm not saying that just because you can't afford something or can't get it [Ben's argument about not being able to get to shops holds absolutely no water because I don't fucking go to record shops - I just don't have the time, I use the Internet - so I could just as well be in India or Egypt] then fuck you not my problem, I'm not. I'm saying you have no right to EXPECT it and absolutely no right to bitch about the fact that it's impossible to get hold of. Surely one has to cut their cloth according to their means? If I can't afford to eat Steak, I won't. End of. I won't bitch about the fact or moan that other people do. That's tantamount to begging in my book. I will lay a months wages on the fact that 95% of people who d/l stuff off the OAA will NOT bother to get off their arse and buy it, just because they heard the mp3. A car or house is just a little bit more expensive than a record. I was actually talking about records, if I can't afford it or can't find it then I don't have it. Simple as that. I know that the money from promo's and stuff does not go to Alex - I couldn't care less if he makes money or not. It's the principle of the matter, just don't try and use it as a lame excuse for d/l stuff off the OAA. I'm not going to stand here and make any stupid statements about how much of a fan you are compared to your record collection because it has no relevence, it's bullshit. I don't pretend to be any sort of major fan. I think some of the Orb's records are shit. I know some people can't afford to buy every record, but in reality these aren't the people asking people to upload Jam on yer Honey, Bicycles & Tricycles, Once More remixes or the latest Orb remix to the OAA. I know I'm not alone in thinking like this, and I obviously hit a nerve with one of two of you. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 18:23:17 +0100 From: Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey >>dude your trippin'. Not for about 3 years now...... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 13:38:08 -0400 From: "Dan Kelly" Subject: (orb) MOTHER MALLARD'S PORTABLE MASTERPIECE COMPANY i saw this crew back in the mid-70's, they were great. very ambient, very bubbly. nice ole-time electronics with the fat, fat sound. their 1st lp is the good one, if memory serves me correctly. snip........................... this just sounded kinda cool....... MOTHER MALLARD'S PORTABLE MASTERPIECE COMPANY - Like A Duck To Water ...The world's first all synthesizer ensemble! This was their 2nd & final release, and was originally released in 1976. The music is a unique blend of space electronics (ala Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze), minimal music (Terry Riley, Philip Glass), and contemporary classical & electronics (Gordon Mumma, John Cage). A uniquely American slant on synthesizer music by a band whose pioneering contributions to the genre had been forgotten until now. Includes bonus CDRom material. $ 11.97 http://www.ab-cd.com/custom/cgi-bin/cat1/CUN147.2 again, the description got me.... unsnip................... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 12:47:02 -0500 From: John Moxness Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey can someone tell me what the OAA is for? i was under the impression that it was for us orb listies to hear out of print, bootleg, live or what have you orb related stuff that was not being sold in a record shop so that the listies could actually hear it. the only things not allowed were things that are in print and would take away sales of orb merchandise which would directly effect lx and co. is this correct? john # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 11:06:12 -0700 From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey John Moxness wrote: > > can someone tell me what the OAA is for? i was under the impression that it > was for us orb listies to hear out of print, bootleg, live or what have you > orb related stuff that was not being sold in a record shop so that the > listies could actually hear it. the only things not allowed were things > that are in print and would take away sales of orb merchandise which would > directly effect lx and co. is this correct? That is mostly right, IIRC, but leaves out a few distinctions. For example, current remixes of other artists by the Orb are a no-no. If you *really* need me to explain the rationale for that, I will, but it is pretty obvious, and I assume most people can figure it out. Most people should also be able to figure out why potential B-sides from the current album might not be a good thing to have on the OAA. Not to mention current promo material that could see commercial release. Now, of the three ftp sites most mentioned on this list, only one is the OAA; the others are private sites subject to their owners' whims. But it doesn't hurt all that much to take the stated wishes of the artist into consideration, particularly when they are as unrestrictive as Alex's are. Finally, while I do/have downloaded a fair bit from the various sites, I buy everything from the Orb I can get my hands on at a reasonable price. (And almost everything can be found at a reasonable price, if you look, and have just a bit of patience.) However, I'm quite sure I'm the exception rather than the rule, which is all the more reason to keep current material off of the ftp sites, human nature being what it is. Chris np: The Wonder Stuff - Unbearable # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 12:14:59 -0600 From: "bi11i" Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey That's too bad. Not that the orb would be benefiting any purchase of the promo copy, but I haven't seen a copy on ebay in quite some time, and had even a harder time getting a response from anyone on the list about trading a burn for it or even just to hear the song. Which Is why I upped it as soon as I got it, so all of us lazy orb fans could have a listen. > > The reason that I [and other people] didn't rip it and up it > to OAA is because it's not that hard to get hold a promo copy > if you really want it. I just think most people are too lazy > to get off their arse and find it or too tight to get their > money out........I've seen several GENUINE copies of V2 on > Ebay go for not a lot. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 11:24:43 -0700 From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey > That's too bad. Not that the orb would be benefiting any purchase of > the promo copy, but I haven't seen a copy on ebay in quite some time, > and had even a harder time getting a response from anyone on the list > about trading a burn for it or even just to hear the song. Which Is why > I upped it as soon as I got it, so all of us lazy orb fans could have a > listen. First off, reference my previous point about potential B-sides. Secondly, there has been a copy of v2 on eBay within the past few weeks. For a while, it was constantly available on eBay, with an auction closing at least once a week. And there are *lots* of other places where such things can be found, but yes, it does take a bit of effort. (Part of the problem people may be experiencing with eBay is that they broke their international search engine for music a while ago, so a lot of items listed on the various international sites do not show up on the eBay US site, even if you are doing an "international" search. (There are ways around this, some better than others, but they're a trade secret. ;) It isn't that hard to figure it out though; again, it just takes a little effort.)) Thirdly, it's a sad fact of life that the people most likely to have the "good" stuff are generally going to be the hardest to trade with, for a bunch of fairly obvious reasons. Welcome to life. ;) Chris np: They Might Be Giants - The Statue Got Me High # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 12:43:55 -0600 From: "bi11i" Subject: (orb) Be prepared to pay. Is what badorb.com is telling me now... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 11:46:15 -0700 From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (orb) Be prepared to pay. bi11i wrote: > > Is what badorb.com is telling me now... Heh. I've been thinking about that for a while...we have no idea how much BadOrb is going to charge, nor how much they are going to want for international shipping. It would be a real bitch, after all this time, if the prices were so unreasonable it put people off. :P Chris (still hoping LX sees the light, and releases CDs as well) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 12:57:27 -0600 From: "bi11i" Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey I see your point and agree, maybe I was just a bit bitter about not be able to get this track earlier as a lot of people had it (from what you're telling me.) I'm an orb fan just like everyone else and have a hard time with the perception that "if I worked this hard to get it, so should you. No hard feeling, sorry if I came off abrupt.... > > In fact, while I do have a large, and nearly complete > collection of orb and Orb-related material, I am probably the > easiest such person on the orblist to trade with. I've never > not been able to work out a trade with anyone who had at > least a few hundred CDs in their collection. My one sticking > point is that I do insist on a trade; I don't have time or > energy for B&Ps, nor do I do freebies. If that makes me a > elitist scumbag, so be it. ;) > > Part of the point that seems to be going missing in this > discussion is this disconnect between those who want > something handed to them on a platter and those who are > willing to put in a bit of effort to acquire it. I doubt > these two camps will ever see eye to eye. > > I hope there are no hard feelings on your end, this sort of > discussion shouldn't be that intense. > > Chris > > > > > > > Thirdly, it's a sad fact of life that the people most > likely to have > > > the "good" stuff are generally going to be the hardest to trade > > > with, for a bunch of fairly obvious reasons. Welcome to life. ;) > > > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 19:50:09 +0100 From: Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk Subject: (orb) Badorb Which leads me to an interesting point. Some people are saying that hard to find stuff and stuff that's not possible to buy in the shops should be on the OAA. Where does badorb come in? It's whole purpose in life is to erm....sell records on the Internet and do away with a shop.... So. It's [shortly to be] freely available to anyone with a credit card, Internet connection and some money [I understand the records will be around the 5 quid mark] - so why has someone upped them to the OAA??????? Will non UK listees pay the "extortionate" postage rates? I hope so ;-) They are also available from several of the [online] shops posted to the list a while ago. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:53:44 +0200 From: marcolphus Subject: (orb) Songs still needed... I'm still looking for these songs in mp3, maybe someone can help me: Little Fluffy Clouds (ambient mk1) 4:29 - - someone has uploaded this on OAA, but after downloading I realized it's incorrectly labeled (dance mk 1) instead of ambient one :-( Peace (is this really the orb? mix) 3:21 - - I bet it's just ambient version of Peace :-) Perpetual Dawn (ultrabass i) 8:06 - - is it really so rare?? Blue Room (blue lamp mix) 14:17 - - I still don't know what it is... Passing of Time (film mix) Asylum (blood sugar mix) 10:33 - - definitely different than commercial version Bicycles & Tricycles 11:43 EDM (the blackhole mix) 4:12 - - can someone upload it?? Requiem pour un c... 5:58 - - this must be really sick Gainsbourg version :-) Thanks in advance!! - -- == http://i.am/marcolphus ========== Fluke & Voo Voo discographies == == gry dodawane do czasopism ==== http://strony.poland.com/markolf == # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 14:59:15 -0400 From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: RE: (orb) Be prepared to pay. oh well, he will be losing alot of business... ::Chris ::(still hoping LX sees the light, and releases CDs as well) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 13:05:18 -0600 From: "bi11i" Subject: RE: (orb) Be prepared to pay. Yeah, I definitely can't wait to find out how much these releases will cost... > > bi11i wrote: > > > > Is what badorb.com is telling me now... > > Heh. I've been thinking about that for a while...we have no > idea how much BadOrb is going to charge, nor how much they > are going to want for international shipping. > > It would be a real bitch, after all this time, if the prices > were so unreasonable it put people off. :P > > Chris > (still hoping LX sees the light, and releases CDs as well) > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 13:05:31 -0600 From: "bi11i" Subject: RE: (orb) Badorb Aren't those just recordings of the media streams from the website? > > So. It's [shortly to be] freely available to anyone with a > credit card, Internet connection and some money [I understand > the records will be around the 5 quid mark] - so why has > someone upped them to the OAA??????? > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:02:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey > I see your point and agree, maybe I was just a bit bitter about not be > able to get this track earlier as a lot of people had it (from what > you're telling me.) I'm an orb fan just like everyone else and have a > hard time with the perception that "if I worked this hard to get it, so > should you. No hard feeling, sorry if I came off abrupt.... This is so fascinating to me. This entire argument basically boils down to a capitolist versus socialist argument (at least as an apt metaphor). Namely, should people simply be left to fend for themselves in the hyper capitolist market that is the collectables trade (ESPECIALLY ebay :P), or do we have some inate human right to listen to music. Personally, I fall under the socialist side. I think that people have a right to listen to music they enjoy, above and beyond the idea of who 'owns' the music. I already stated that I find it hard to believe that music, as much, even CAN be owned... What an interesting idea. Hrm. Thoughts anyone, or am I just basically performing mental masturbation here? :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:02:11 -0400 From: rob buse Subject: Re: (orb) Badorb >So. It's [shortly to be] freely available to anyone with a credit card, >Internet connection and some money [I understand the records will be around >the 5 quid mark] - so why has someone upped them to the OAA??????? Why has anyone upped *what* to the OAA? Badorb is a new record label with brand new material from patterson and crew. I don't see how the "hard to find" material on the OAA has anything at all to do with the new Badorb discs coming out. .rob - ----------------------------------------------------------------- music @ www.mp3.com/buse # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 12:10:00 -0700 From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey bi11i wrote: > > > > Welcome to life? I have quite a bit of the "good" stuff and have never > seena any point in making it hard for someone else to enjoy the same > that I do. That attitude that the rare and hard stuff to find should be > kept to oneself has always made me laugh. I'd love to just find a band > and hoard all of their material so no one could hear it, but me -- then > I'd be really cool. That's not really what I said, is it? :/ I merely pointed out a fact. I didn't say it was good or bad, or that I approved or disapproved of any of the reasons. In fact, while I do have a large, and nearly complete collection of orb and Orb-related material, I am probably the easiest such person on the orblist to trade with. I've never not been able to work out a trade with anyone who had at least a few hundred CDs in their collection. My one sticking point is that I do insist on a trade; I don't have time or energy for B&Ps, nor do I do freebies. If that makes me a elitist scumbag, so be it. ;) Part of the point that seems to be going missing in this discussion is this disconnect between those who want something handed to them on a platter and those who are willing to put in a bit of effort to acquire it. I doubt these two camps will ever see eye to eye. I hope there are no hard feelings on your end, this sort of discussion shouldn't be that intense. Chris > > Thirdly, it's a sad fact of life that the people most likely > > to have the "good" stuff are generally going to be the > > hardest to trade with, for a bunch of fairly obvious reasons. > > Welcome to life. ;) > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 12:13:32 -0700 From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (orb) Badorb bi11i wrote: > > Aren't those just recordings of the media streams from the website? Probably not. Promo pressings of the first three BOBs have been floating around for months. Chris np: v/a - No Alternative # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 12:17:01 -0700 From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (orb) Badorb rob buse wrote: > > >So. It's [shortly to be] freely available to anyone with a credit card, > >Internet connection and some money [I understand the records will be around > >the 5 quid mark] - so why has someone upped them to the OAA??????? > > Why has anyone upped *what* to the OAA? Badorb is a new record label with > brand new material from patterson and crew. I don't see how the "hard to > find" material on the OAA has anything at all to do with the new Badorb > discs coming out. It doesn't, except for the fact that the new BadOrb discs are on the ftp. Which just goes to show. :/ Chris (on a tear) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 13:23:39 -0600 From: "bi11i" Subject: RE: (orb) Badorb Nah, I just checked them out -- they're just recordings of the streams. Either that or these pressing have the worst sound quality I've ever heard... > > > bi11i wrote: > > > > Aren't those just recordings of the media streams from the website? > > Probably not. Promo pressings of the first three BOBs have > been floating around for months. > > Chris > > np: v/a - No Alternative > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 12:20:30 -0700 From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey "Benjamin L. May" wrote: > > This is so fascinating to me. This entire argument basically boils > down to a capitolist versus socialist argument (at least as an apt > metaphor). Namely, should people simply be left to fend for themselves in > the hyper capitolist market that is the collectables trade (ESPECIALLY > ebay :P), or do we have some inate human right to listen to music. > > Personally, I fall under the socialist side. I think that people > have a right to listen to music they enjoy, above and beyond the idea of > who 'owns' the music. I already stated that I find it hard to believe that > music, as much, even CAN be owned... > > What an interesting idea. Hrm. Thoughts anyone, > or am I just basically performing mental masturbation here? :) Nah. But keep in mind that socialism works best when everyone puts a certain amount of effort into the system, rather than depending upon a motivated few to keep things moving. ;) Chris (who hates what copyright, trademark, and patent protection has evolved into in our society) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:21:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: (orb) test I've sent out like 5 messages, and I haven't seen any yet. Am I banned or something? :( # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:30:39 -0400 (EDT) From: james.drysdale@utoronto.ca Subject: Re: (orb) Badorb Those of you who were lucky enough to score the Badorb albums: how are they? Impressions? > Probably not. Promo pressings of the first three BOBs have been > floating around for months. jamse ......ooooooOOOOOOoooooo...... "God help us. We're in the hands of engineers." - - from Jurassic Park # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:29:05 -0400 From: rob buse Subject: Re: (orb) Badorb excuse my post, i didnt realize that bob recordings were on the oaa. even if they are the lofi streams. .rob >Why has anyone upped *what* to the OAA? Badorb is a new record label with >brand new material from patterson and crew. I don't see how the "hard to >find" material on the OAA has anything at all to do with the new Badorb >discs coming out. > >.rob music @ www.mp3.com/buse # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 12:41:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason I Hicks Subject: (orb) mp3 debate Who wants to bet that Jam on Yer Honey slips through the cracks and is never available "officially". Also, nobody is supposed to sell promos, technically they aren't commercially available. Selling promos takes money away from the label and the artist, so this whole debate is pretty pointless, or maybe your points just flew over my head as well. . . ikki # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 12:56:27 -0700 From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (orb) mp3 debate Jason I Hicks wrote: > > Who wants to bet that Jam on Yer Honey slips through the > cracks and is never available "officially". I'd bet that way, but stranger things have happened. And that doesn't really matter either way. Alex's wishes for the OAA are known. Doing the right thing by them isn't all that burdensome, is it? > Also, nobody is supposed to > sell promos, technically they aren't commercially available. Selling > promos takes money away from the label and the artist, That isn't entirely true. Selling promos is perfectly legal in the US, it is part and parcel of marketing music. The real indignity is that it doesn't take anything away from the label; the the cost of promos is generally recouped from the artist, which adds insult to injury, IMO. But if they are out there, I'm going to buy them. Of course, if it is a band I like, I generally get the commercial release when I can. Chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:09:35 -0500 From: John Goelzer Subject: (orb) speaking of b-sides... > Who wants to bet that Jam on Yer Honey slips through the > cracks and is never available "officially". I'm gonna seize this opportunity to change the subject... When is the next single from Cydonia going to come out? And what will it be? My vote is for "Hamlet of Kings," "Centuries" (I seem to be the only one who likes that track) or "Thursday's Keeper." This is semi-related to today's flame war in that "Jam on Yer Honey," et. al. could turn up as b-sides on this theoretical single, if and when it ever comes out... It'd be fun to discuss/brainstorm this (and I think someone might have already done so a while ago?), but concrete information would be even better... anyone? anyone? Smiley? Hard to believe they're going to just leave it at "Once More" and no others... JG # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 14:19:53 -0600 From: "bi11i" Subject: RE: (orb) speaking of b-sides... I did hear a remix of centuries on a teatime session. Bill brooks has grabbed it and put it on the 2001:a space orbyssey. I can up it (ooohhhh, thin ice there...) if anyone is interested... > > > > > Who wants to bet that Jam on Yer Honey slips through the > cracks and is > > never available "officially". > > > I'm gonna seize this opportunity to change the subject... > > When is the next single from Cydonia going to come out? And > what will it be? > > My vote is for "Hamlet of Kings," "Centuries" (I seem to be > the only one who likes that track) or "Thursday's Keeper." > > This is semi-related to today's flame war in that "Jam on Yer > Honey," et. al. could turn up as b-sides on this theoretical > single, if and when it ever comes out... > > It'd be fun to discuss/brainstorm this (and I think someone > might have already done so a while ago?), but concrete > information would be even better... anyone? anyone? Smiley? > > Hard to believe they're going to just leave it at "Once More" > and no others... > > JG # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:20:01 -0500 From: John Goelzer Subject: RE: (orb) speaking of b-sides... > I did hear a remix of centuries > on a teatime session. I think it was buried in the BadOrb 40-minute promo mix, too, wasn't it? > Bill brooks has grabbed it and put > it on the 2001:a space orbyssey. Guh? What's that? JG # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 16:25:06 EDT From: Ovation15@aol.com Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey man you talk about others bitching and whining listen to yourself. normally i would be on your side but i myself looked on ebay for this item and around the net and could not find a copy under $50 including shipping. thats too much, i dont want the CD (or CDR i should say) that bad. i have all the once more promos and have the special edition cydonia. look at my list you can see i spend way too much money on orb shit but i dont have cydonia v.2. this list is for sharing shit which you seem to have a BIG problem with, haha, whats with that caps shit fool. cheers monkey DJ TeleVision # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of orb-digest V2 #480 *************************