From: owner-orb-digest@lists.xmission.com (orb-digest) To: orb-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: orb-digest V2 #499 Reply-To: orb-digest Sender: owner-orb-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-orb-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes orb-digest Thursday, August 9 2001 Volume 02 : Number 499 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 09:14:33 -0800 (AKDT) From: "James A. Crippen" Subject: RE: (orb) somewhat OT turntable question On Wed, 8 Aug 2001 Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk wrote: > >>Uh, this is labelled on the deck, actually. Usually. At least with > 12XXs. > > Don't think so. Not on my 1200's anyway. I have +/-8 on the pitch control, > but as we established already that's about as much use as a chocolate > teapot. I dunno, I think that Pot-Head Pixies would love Chocolate Teapots, particularly if they were of the Flying sort. Not sure what Octave Doctors might think of them though. Just make sure to have your Angel's Egg for breakfast in the morning. (Ah-choo!) On that note, I've fallen in love with a breakfast dish that a local restaurant calls 'Joe's Special' but I like to call 'Angel's Egg', in honor of the beloved Gong album. It's either an omelette or scrambled eggs mixed with lean ground beef, spinach, sun-dried tomatoes, and grated parmesean cheese on top. Add a little salt and you've got a fantastic and tasty treat. Great for post-concert mornings. 'james - -- James A. Crippen ,-./-. Anchorage, Alaska, Lambda Unlimited: Recursion 'R' Us | |/ | USA, 61.2069 N, 149.766 W, Y = \f.(\x.f(xx)) (\x.f(xx)) | |\ | Earth, Sol System, Y(F) = F(Y(F)) \_,-_/ Milky Way. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 09:18:11 -0800 (AKDT) From: "James A. Crippen" Subject: Re: (orb) somewhat OT turntable question On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, Benjamin L. May wrote: > Hah! The math thing I wanted just so that I would have a rough > guide. I didn't plan to sit there and do calculations in my head when I > was mixing, Why not? You could take your back-lit Palm Pilot along and just fire up a graphing calculator app with the right function already in it. Then just enter your x value and Bob's yer uncle. This would make you look like an uber-geeky DJ. I'm sure the girls would love it, especially if you wore your pocket protector with thirty different colored pens in it. (Make sure to name all the pens.) If you were really spiffy you'd just calculate it on your slide rule. :-P 'james - -- James A. Crippen ,-./-. Anchorage, Alaska, Lambda Unlimited: Recursion 'R' Us | |/ | USA, 61.2069 N, 149.766 W, Y = \f.(\x.f(xx)) (\x.f(xx)) | |\ | Earth, Sol System, Y(F) = F(Y(F)) \_,-_/ Milky Way. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 09:21:37 -0800 (AKDT) From: "James A. Crippen" Subject: (orb) Ween (OT) Not particularly Orb-related, but I was curious if anyone is going to see Ween in concert in Girdwood, Alaska. I'm going, as are many of my friends. Those orbsters who might be going are welcome to sleep on the floor of the cabin I'm renting on Saturday (the 18th) night. Sleeping bag recommended. Eben, you'd better go buy your tickets now if you want to see the show. And you'd better not miss it! :-) 'james - -- James A. Crippen ,-./-. Anchorage, Alaska, Lambda Unlimited: Recursion 'R' Us | |/ | USA, 61.2069 N, 149.766 W, Y = \f.(\x.f(xx)) (\x.f(xx)) | |\ | Earth, Sol System, Y(F) = F(Y(F)) \_,-_/ Milky Way. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 11:22:31 -0700 From: "Jason Delacruz" Subject: Re: (orb) Eclectic DJs (still somewhat off-topic) How about Richie Hawtin? Hard house, downtempo, and ambient projects from = the 'From Within' projects with Pete Namlook. Also Uberzone...breakbeat, big beat, house..... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:30:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: Re: (orb) Eclectic DJs (still somewhat off-topic) > How about Richie Hawtin? Hard house, downtempo, and ambient projects > from the 'From Within' projects with Pete Namlook. I would be hardpressed to call richie (whom I love with all my heart) a mixed-genre or eclectic DJ... He pretty much sticks to pounding hard techno. I mean, I've never heard him SPIN anything else, except once two summers ago at twilo on a wed night for $10 (aahhhhh, those things were fun). > Also Uberzone...breakbeat, big beat, house..... Same here, these guys are not super-varied in their style, at least not when compared to Gilles Peterson. :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:10:27 -0500 From: John Moxness Subject: (orb) pure moods ===>hah!! last night i saw a commercial selling paul oakenfolds 'swordfish' soundtrack with one of those 1-800 numbers. i just caught the tail end of it. anyone else see it? god! oakenfold is such a sorry jackass. i thought those commercials were left for the out dated music to be dusted off for a second (and usually final) run. an exception to that would be the 'pure moods' cd. even though it was a rather cheesy commercial the music on the disk was actually pretty good. apparently there were a couple more 'pure moods' volumes released from the success of that release. so how many of you order it?? come fess up :) john # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:37:08 -0500 From: John Goelzer Subject: (orb) as long as we're WAY off-topic... > On that note, I've fallen in love with a breakfast > dish that a local restaurant calls 'Joe's Special' > but I like to call 'Angel's Egg', in honor of the > beloved Gong album. Great for post-concert mornings. Speaking of great breakfast food and what it's called, next time you have a post-concert morning appetite in Chicago, I highly recommend Victory's Banner in the wonderful neighborhood of Roscoe Village. My favorite (morning/breakfast/egg) dish there also has my favorite name: it's called "Satisfaction-Promise." The restaurant itself is a trip, too. All vegetarian, and the employees seem to worship someone called Sri Chimnoy, about whom I know little, but from the propaganda they've got he seems like quite the well-rounded spiritual leader type guy. I think they only do breakfast and lunch and close at 3:00. High marks from me, and well worth a visit if you're in town... JG # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:52:26 -0500 From: John Moxness Subject: RE: (orb) as long as we're WAY off-topic... Speaking of great breakfast food and what it's called, next time you have a post-concert morning appetite in Chicago, I highly recommend Victory's Banner in the wonderful neighborhood of Roscoe Village. My favorite (morning/breakfast/egg) dish there also has my favorite name: it's called "Satisfaction-Promise." ===>is it close to the metro? if so i would love to meet up with anyone going to the squarepusher/plaid show if my ride would agree to that - daryl?? so is squarepusher going to show in chicago after dogging seattle and vancouver??? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:56:32 -0500 From: John Goelzer Subject: RE: (orb) as long as we're WAY off-topic... >> Speaking of great breakfast food and what it's >> called, next time you have a post-concert morning >> appetite in Chicago, I highly recommend Victory's >> Banner in the wonderful neighborhood of Roscoe Village. > is it close to the metro? I'm actually from Milwaukee, so my Chicago geography is a little sketchy, but a friend of mine lives in Roscoe Village and after Kid Koala last week (at Smart Bar) we walked back to her place. It wasn't what I'd call a short walk, but doable. I'm pretty sure that Roscoe Village is due west of the Metro area on Addison and maybe a block or three to the south...? > so is squarepusher going to show in chicago after > dogging seattle and vancouver??? I certianly hope so: I've had my ticket since the day they went on sale. Anyone heard about any news, good or bad, about the rest of his US tour??? JG # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 20:18:06 -0000 From: "Wilcox, Rebecca L - EWW EXO" Subject: RE: (orb) as long as we're WAY off-topic... > so is squarepusher going to show in chicago after > dogging seattle and vancouver??? >I certianly hope so: I've had my ticket since the day they went on sale. >Anyone heard about any news, good or bad, about the rest of his US tour??? I'm going to try to see them Sat here in SF - I called Bimbo's and they said as far as they know, he's still on (right). I'll let you know if he shows... Rebecca # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:03:59 -0500 From: "Vince Frank" Subject: Re: (orb) pure moods > for a second (and usually final) run. an exception to that would be the > 'pure moods' cd. even though it was a rather cheesy commercial the music on > the disk was actually pretty good. apparently there were a couple more > 'pure moods' volumes released from the success of that release. so how > many of you order it?? come fess up :) ===>Heh, yeah, the original Pure Moods cd *IS* pretty good. I've *seen* the other ones, and the tracks seem to be pretty crappy by comparison. IMHO, of course. ;-) Vince # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 20:37:31 -0400 From: "Charles and/or Ian" Subject: (orb) RE: Eclectic DJs RE: Jazzanova Awesome group, BTW. But I wouldn't quite qualify their recent set in Toronto as eclectic. They mostly played house. Fairly eclectic and jazzy within that tempo, but still mostly house. Thank God, I hate DJs who won't keep a flow going when you want to dance. Recent annoying "eclectic" DJ: Tom Weiland of Les gammas at the last Movement party. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 17:58:53 -0700 From: Ed Subject: RE: (orb) pure moods > i saw a commercial selling paul oakenfolds 'swordfish' > soundtrack with one of those 1-800 numbers. Times are changing. Bob Marley's "One Love-The Very Best of...." on Tuff Gong/Island was originally marketed that way. UB40's last release also. After a couple of weeks they finally hit the record stores. They've done their homework and know there are millions of people out there that don't even have a record store in their town. I'm sure they make a lot of sales this way. Considering travel time, gas, etc. it's probably a good deal for some. FVLL # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 18:09:01 -0700 From: Tim C Subject: Re: (orb) pure moods > thought those commercials were left for the out dated music to be dusted off > for a second (and usually final) run. an exception to that would be the > 'pure moods' cd. Don't forget Freedom Rock! All the 60s hits by one-hit (and maybe some few-hit, or at least few-songs-that-you-really-care-about) bands. Wish I'd picked it up, as, for example, who needs any Mamas+Papas other than "California Dreamin?" I refuse to pick up their GH or whatever and just do without. I'm sure I've opened a can of worms with this one. T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 20:15:20 -0500 From: John Goelzer Subject: RE: (orb) pure moods > I'm sure I've opened a can of worms with this one. Two words: MONSTER BALLADS. JG # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 18:13:21 -0700 From: Tim C Subject: Re: (orb) as long as we're WAY off-topic... > Speaking of great breakfast food and what it's called, next time you have a > post-concert morning appetite in Chicago, I highly recommend Victory's > Banner in the wonderful neighborhood of Roscoe Village. My favorite > (morning/breakfast/egg) dish there also has my favorite name: it's called > "Satisfaction-Promise." And for those lucky ones in the Bay Area, do as we did after the Maritime Hall show. Go down to Carmel to the Wagon Wheel. Absolutely the best (American) Western breakfast you can possibly get. If you're vegetarian, forget it! One omelet features tomatoes, avocadoes, jack cheese, onions, and BACON. The CF steak is also tremendous. Portions are huge as well. It looks really countrified, but the people that run it are easy going as all git-out. And, afterwards you are right by all the great beaches out there. T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:22:46 -0800 (AKDT) From: "James A. Crippen" Subject: Re: (orb) pure moods On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, Tim C wrote: > > thought those commercials were left for the out dated music to be dusted off > > for a second (and usually final) run. an exception to that would be the > > 'pure moods' cd. > > Don't forget Freedom Rock! All the 60s hits by one-hit (and maybe some > few-hit, or at least few-songs-that-you-really-care-about) bands. Wish > I'd picked it up, as, for example, who needs any Mamas+Papas other than > "California Dreamin?" I refuse to pick up their GH or whatever and just > do without. "Monday, Monday" was also okay. And they had a couple of other tunes that were catchy. What an ignominous death for a rock star, how Mama Cass died. Choking to death on a hot dog. Even Elvis, who died on the crapper while pinching a loaf had a better death than that. Jerry Garcia probably died from chili cheese dogs which were his favorite food after concerts, rumor has it. (Officially he died from a myocardial infarction brought on from cholesterol deposits, IIRC.) So maybe we should make it illegal for rock stars to eat hot dogs? There's a reason the Discordian faith prohibits hot dog buns... 'james - -- James A. Crippen ,-./-. Anchorage, Alaska, Lambda Unlimited: Recursion 'R' Us | |/ | USA, 61.2069 N, 149.766 W, Y = \f.(\x.f(xx)) (\x.f(xx)) | |\ | Earth, Sol System, Y(F) = F(Y(F)) \_,-_/ Milky Way. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 18:22:31 -0700 From: Tim C Subject: Re: (orb) pure moods John Goelzer wrote: > > > I'm sure I've opened a can of worms with this one. > > Two words: MONSTER BALLADS. Hey, that's not a real one. I hope. There is that one that's like "For Lovers Only" or something like that. A bunch of sleazy songs like the ones that Chef does on South Park. Like Barry White or whatever. Yipes. T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:27:19 -0800 (AKDT) From: "James A. Crippen" Subject: RE: (orb) pure moods On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, John Goelzer wrote: > > > I'm sure I've opened a can of worms with this one. > > Two words: MONSTER BALLADS. What really frightened me once was while I was visiting at my parents house (I don't have television at home, on purpose) I saw an advert for one of those "Best of the Decade" collections. But this was "Best of the 90s". This was about two years ago, I believe, so 1999. I thought "Well shit, the 90s aren't even over yet and they're already pushing this crap! The next decade's 'best of' from K-Tel will be for sale in 2006, no doubt. With a free 'Sounds of the 90s' sampler included as a special gift." 'james - -- James A. Crippen ,-./-. Anchorage, Alaska, Lambda Unlimited: Recursion 'R' Us | |/ | USA, 61.2069 N, 149.766 W, Y = \f.(\x.f(xx)) (\x.f(xx)) | |\ | Earth, Sol System, Y(F) = F(Y(F)) \_,-_/ Milky Way. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 20:31:12 -0500 From: John Goelzer Subject: RE: (orb) pure moods >> Two words: MONSTER BALLADS. > Hey, that's not a real one. Oh, it's all too real. Be afraid. JG # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 21:14:49 -0600 From: "bi11i" Subject: (orb) Is that pure moods - hey turn it up, man... Yes, yes. I'm the proud owner of this one... > Don't forget Freedom Rock! All the 60s hits by one-hit (and > maybe some few-hit, or at least > few-songs-that-you-really-care-about) bands. Wish I'd picked > it up, as, for example, who needs any Mamas+Papas other than > "California Dreamin?" I refuse to pick up their GH or > whatever and just do without. > > I'm sure I've opened a can of worms with this one. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 08:47:22 -0400 From: Andrew Sturgess Subject: Re: (orb) Eclectic DJs (still somewhat off-topic) Ken Ishii's X-Mix is fairly diverse in its styles... it covers electro to groovy house to detroit techno to coldcut and some other leftfield kinda stuff. I always forget I have it cuz i'm usualy looking for a solid groove, but everytime I hear it, it's a nice transition from style to style. I wanna know why drum n' bass DJs never spin reggae or rocksteady - imagine if they actually dropped the record that all their "come selecta!" samples are from? I guess maye that'll be my job...now i just hafta *find* all those records. ...as long as I mentioned rocksteady, everyone should go out and buy the Heptones "On Top". It's the smoothest, tighest, and all around rockin' rocksteady you'll ever hear...great horns, too! - -andrew # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 08:37:52 -0500 From: "Vince Frank" Subject: (orb) Mamma Cass > What an ignominous death for a rock star, how Mama Cass died. Choking to > death on a hot dog. Even Elvis, who died on the crapper while pinching a > loaf had a better death than that. ===>I'd always heard that she died from choking on a *chicken* sandwhich. Fact of the matter, however, is that she actually died from a heart attack. The rumor that she choked to death apparently was started when a news reported pointed out that there was a partially-eaten sandwhich in her bedroom. What a shame, really. Too bad it couldn't have been Whitney Houston. :-P Vincent # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 08:59:35 -0500 From: "Vince Frank" Subject: (orb) Best of the 90s?!? > What really frightened me once was while I was visiting at my parents > house (I don't have television at home, on purpose) I saw an advert for > one of those "Best of the Decade" collections. But this was "Best of the > 90s". This was about two years ago, I believe, so 1999. I thought "Well > shit, the 90s aren't even over yet and they're already pushing this crap! > The next decade's 'best of' from K-Tel will be for sale in 2006, no > doubt. With a free 'Sounds of the 90s' sampler included as a special > gift." ===>BLAH!!! Aside from the Orb and other "electronica" acts, I can't think of too many groups that were actually worth listening to during the 90s. Smashing Pumpkins, maybe, and possibly Garbage, but that's about it. The 90s were arguably THE worst decade for rock music (even worse than the 1960s...). I'm really getting old. I'm starting to sound like my grandparents. But the thing I really liked about the 1980s (specifically the "new wave") was that it was something new. But the 1990s simply rehashed junk from past decades--very little new ideas came out. IMHO, of course. ;-) Vince # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:01:09 -0500 From: John Goelzer Subject: RE: (orb) Best of the 90s?!? > Aside from..."electronica" acts, I can't think > of too many groups that were actually worth > listening to during the 90s. The 90s were > arguably THE worst decade for rock music. Oh, I don't know about that... I'm very selective with the "traditional" live-instrumented rock bands I listen to--more and more all the time, actually--but even I thought there was some great stuff during the 90s, to wit: Spiritualized, The Verve, Helmet, Fugazi, Galaxie 500 (and Luna), Yo La Tengo, Pixies, JSBX, Radiohead, Tindersticks, etc. Just off the top of my head. Quality's where you find it, or something like that... JG PS - For the record, I don't like Smashing Pumpkins or Garbage. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 10:29:26 -0400 From: "" Subject: Re: (orb) Best of the 90s?!? : Quality's where you find it, or something like that... NIN, Ministry, Sublime, and Long Beach Dub Allstars to name a couple of there quality acts that I was into at the time. : visual artist : web producer : www.thezenlab.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 07:38:49 -0700 From: Tim C Subject: Re: (orb) Best of the 90s?!? > I'm really getting old. I'm starting to sound like my > grandparents. But the thing I really liked about the 1980s > (specifically the "new wave") was that it was something > new. But the 1990s simply rehashed junk from past > decades--very little new ideas came out. Obviously we're talking pop/rock music, as the 90s was obviously when electronica took off. Sure, there's cheesy cash-in rip off artists (Chemical Brothers and DON'T flame me for saying it because I saw them HEADLINE over the ORB in fucking DALLAS TEXAS which is BLASPHEMY and it was patently obvious they were just playing (NOT mixing) DATs. They couldn't even bob their heads WITH THE BEAT), but that happens in all genres. Look at David Bowie. Don't flame me for saying THAT either, until you figure out who he sampled (to put it lightly) "Fame" from. Anyway. Yes, it is interesting how even cheesy lame pop music in the 80s blew away "the 90s and beyond" CLPM. Probably because it still maintained the last vestiges of MUSIC - chord progression, melody, etc - even if all basic. Then there were fantastic bands like Talking Heads, The Police (talk about a fire burning briefly but bright) and I could go on. And electronic pioneers like Depeche Mode (no flames please - yes they are whiny and lame usually but Violator is one of the greatest techno albums ever made - Wilder/Flood/Kervorkian (sp?) - bwah). (Yes, they just suck now.) Finally, I hate grunge but thank God for it as it ended Glam Rock/Metal. T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:46:06 -0500 From: John Goelzer Subject: RE: (orb) Best of the 90s?!? > Chemical Brothers and DON'T flame me for saying it because > I saw them HEADLINE over the ORB in fucking DALLAS TEXAS > which is BLASPHEMY and it was patently obvious they were > just playing (NOT mixing) DATs. I wish I could take credit for it, but I remember hearing/reading this one line review of the Chemical Brothers live show: "They stick their elbows out real far so you can see when they twist a knob." I had fun seeing them with the Orb in '97, I must admit... JG # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:00:34 -0400 From: "" Subject: Re: (orb) Best of the 90s?!? :"They stick their elbows out real far so you can see when they twist a knob." while all too true, they still rock live and on CD - their mixing isn't too bad either... Look for live at the social for a rougher, rawer mix than 'Brothers gonna work it out... : visual artist : web producer : www.thezenlab.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:04:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: (orb) OT: HELP!!! Fuck! Just got laid off again... Alright, anybody know anyone who needs a java programmer in NYC!?! ANY ideas at all would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 10:09:08 -0500 From: Brian Frick Subject: Re: (orb) Best of the 90s?!? Ok. Chemical Brothers blow goats. They are highly over-rated, sample-stealing, rock-and-roll wannabe, pretentious freaks :) Flame away. I have NEVER been impressed by anything they did. When I was at the Chicago show for the Orblivion tour, I walked out on the Chemical Brothers. They blew out the ass. BORING. No energy, no feel, no gusto. They may as well have been zombies up there. Even Kraftwerk in concert makes them look boring. And in electronica, if you don't have rhythm, you just pretend you do and out comes Drum'N'Bass :D JUST KIDDING. I've come to appreciate 80's music a lot. Synths, fake drums, corny leads, and great lyrics. Soul. Music with power and intelligence. 90's music had little intelligence, very little soul, and the worst damned singers I've ever heard in my life. Tone deaf bastards pretending they could rip a note or two... Oh my god... My poor poor ears... Nirvana? Blah. Even Nine Inch Nails wasn't great -- EXCEPT when he did experimental stuff like Further Down the Spiral, with Richard James... Live was boring, Creed is uninspired. These bands are bland. The lyrics are childish, and thoughtless -- they speak of trivial nonsense. "She smokes a pack a day, Oh wait -- that's me, but anyway..." What the fuck is that?!?! What meaning does that have? How much time do you think it took to write that song? I can't remember who the hell sings it even, but it's so terrible... It's bands like Erasure, Depeche Mode, The Police... Even Bananarama and Joan Jett and Pat Benetar... They had soul, thought, and meaning in their work. It was inspired, and powerful, and loud. It had a message. The Orb came out of that. Alex says Eno was an influence. And Jah Wobble's bass lines... All that is 80s influence. It's quite an amazing tie-in, actually. Long live Alex and the Orb. :) - -Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 10:23:03 -0500 From: Jena.Pratt@broadwing.com Subject: RE: (orb) Best of the 90s?!? ===>>Ok. Chemical Brothers blow goats. They are highly over-rated, sample-stealing, rock-and-roll wannabe, pretentious freaks :) Flame away. You sound like the hard-to-please type!! :) I wouldn't normally comment, and I may be the only one who disagrees....but I REALLY like just about everything the Chemical Brothers have put together. And I thought their show was pretty good, although I was not at the Chicago show. Surely there was **something** in the 90's (other than our beloved Orb) that didn't piss you off. (It wasn't THAT bad of a decade, was it???) ===>>Long live Alex and the Orb. :) Right on with that one! - -jena # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 16:39:11 +0100 From: Mac Morgan Subject: RE: (orb) Best of the 90s?!? >I wish I could take credit for it, but I remember hearing/reading this one >line review of the Chemical Brothers live show: "They stick their elbows out >real far so you can see when they twist a knob." > >I had fun seeing them with the Orb in '97, I must admit... > CB is just nice to listen to. It's always hard to say what's "the best" when it comes to music, but the album I bought in the 90's that most surprised me is also one that I reach for at least every couple of months, so I'm going to say that it is my favorite 90's album. Lhasa de Sela's "La Llorona". Now if only she'd do another one. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 16:56:25 +0100 From: Mac Morgan Subject: RE: (orb) Best of the 90s?!? oops. I sent that before I was finished! I was going to continue by saying, re Lhasa, that she is not in the category "Things you might hear in a dance club" -- I often play "La Llorona" when I get home from clubs. :-) and I *really* really really liked Spiritualized. I was upset when they broke up, but I like Lupine Howl a lot, too. A fitting evolutionary step. Mac # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 10:45:45 -0500 From: Brian Frick Subject: Re: (orb) Best of the 90s?!? Jena, I certainly am hard to please :) Especially musically speaking. Let me think about what in the 90s was good. NWA? Run DMC? Maybe. I think they started out great. Pop music was at an all-time low, though... Certainly Prodigy didn't help. :) Ummm.... If we disregard electronic music as a whole, though, not much was good. Erasure released a few GREAT albums in the 90s. So did Floyd. Division Bell, namely. Depeche Mode fizzled and faded into oblivion. Pat Benetar went and put out some weird bluesy album. I mean, we have circus acts like Backstreet Boys, N'Sync, Brittany... And then the really terrible R'n'B which has permeated the market. There really wasn't anything in the 90s that really sticks out in my head as GREAT music. Electronic-ish music aside, that is. Eh. Electronic music was good in the 90s. Raves, Trance, techno, ahhhhhh... So yes, there is SOME music from the 90s that pleased me. But it better have a fat bass line and some roaring synths in it :) - -Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 10:59:32 -0500 From: John Goelzer Subject: RE: (orb) Best of the 90s?!? > I *really* really really liked Spiritualized. > I was upset when they broke up... Well, they didn't really break up per se. It was one of the more odd rock & roll stories I can think of in that Jason first made each member of the band sign a contract, and then, per the terms of that contract, fired them. I seem to remember that he fired them in some really impersonal way, too, like by sending them a fax or contacting their attorneys or something weird. Never could quite figure that one out. He's an odd duck. On the plus side, though, he's completed a new Spiritualized album (don't know if he has a new "band" or not) that'll be released soon-ish... > ...but I like Lupine Howl a lot, too. Yeah, they're pretty cool. I only picked up the three singles that preceded the full-length, haven't taken the plunge on that yet. Spiritualized ex-member Thighpaulsandra continues to release stuff on his own, too, but I can't say I've heard any of it... JG # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:01:54 -0500 From: John Goelzer Subject: RE: (orb) Best of the 90s?!? > Let me think about what in the 90s was good. > NWA? Run DMC? Maybe. I'd like to mention that when I sent my earlier list I was restricting myself to what I consider to be "traditional" rock and roll bands, i.e., drums/guitar/bass/keys/vocals. I think there was *tons* of good music in the 90s (especially lots of early 90s hip-hop); that list was just of rawk bands I liked. Just to clarify. JG # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:05:28 -0500 From: John Goelzer Subject: (orb) OT: Squarepusher US tour This was posted on the Warp site: "Squarepusher has not gone out to Canada/USA yet because he is ill. Plaid and Mira Calix played the Vancouver gig with support from local DJs and have decided to do the same for Seattle and Portland. Hopefully Tom will recover in time to get out for San Francisco and the rest of the dates, if he does not the tour will be pulled. We'll give you a full report on friday morning after the tour manager has had a chance to speak to Tom." JG # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:09:25 EDT From: BluRoom@aol.com Subject: Re: (orb) Best of the 90s?!? In a message dated 8/9/01 10:13:03 AM Central Daylight Time, orbster@frickster.net writes: << Nirvana? Blah. Even Nine Inch Nails wasn't great -- EXCEPT when he did experimental stuff like Further Down the Spiral, with Richard James... Live was boring, Creed is uninspired. These bands are bland. The lyrics are childish, and thoughtless -- they speak of trivial nonsense. >> You had me agreeing until this point. Of course, what one thinks is good music doesn't apply for all, but as someone who really likes Live, I have to say that for you to write that Joan Jett and Bananarama (!) have more "soul, thought and meaning" in their work....well, once again to each his own, but I just don't see it. I don't listen to many rocks bands from the 90's, but I do think Live is one of the best. And I think you should listen to some 80's music a lot closer before you slam 90's music as having childish and thoughtless lyrics, I mean come one, one listen to "Safety Dance" tells you all you need to know! And just for the record, I really do like 80's music, much more than 90's - but let's not lose perspective! ;) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of orb-digest V2 #499 *************************