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From: owner-posdis-digest@lists.xmission.com (posdis-digest) To: posdis-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: posdis-digest V1 #10 Reply-To: posdis-digest Sender: owner-posdis-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-posdis-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk posdis-digest Monday, February 16 2004 Volume 01 : Number 010 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:35:24 +0000 From: majama@visi.com Subject: Re: (posdis) Any updates on workshops/drop-in classes? Lisa - No, we are not subsidized - although we plan to write some grants. I do have a number of interns from the Adler Graduate School, and the three "professionals" are donating their time. Mary Quoting Lisa Stroyan : > Thanks to all of you for your feedback! (Apparently some of you are just > as much email addicts as I am :) > > Mary, are your classes subsidized, I'm assuming? Or are you expecting a > large turnout? Just curious since you are able to provide free childcare > and very low cost. > > >We are hoping to get a core group of parents, but are not planning to ask > >them to formally make a committment. In my research in the Minneapolis/St. > >Paul area - no one has been able to sustain on-going parenting > >classes/groups with any structure/model (in the last ten years or so). > > Hmmm, I wonder why? > > I do think that my audience for this particular idea is pretty specific - > I'm drawing almost entirely from mothers groups (I lead one mothers group, > and I present PD at 2 others in town). I would still like to do formal > classes in the community sometime, but for this I'm trying to do something > a little different. Most of these women (I do expect it will be mostly if > not entirely moms) want support as much as or more than information, and I > want them to get to know each other well. "Workshops" was the best I could > come up with for this concept, but I kind of wish I had another term...I > want to get away from the idea of a "class" but also make it clear it is > facilitated and specific, not just a support group similar to a mother's > group. > > > Lisa S, mom to 6yo Alex > www.empathic-discipline.com > > > > - > To unsubscribe to posdis, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe posdis" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - - To unsubscribe to posdis, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe posdis" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 22:41:34 -0500 From: "Suzanne Smitha" Subject: Re: (posdis) FW: test This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C3F34B.B2C11180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Messagegot it! Suzanne Charlotte, NC ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jane Nelsen=20 To: posdis@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 5:42 PM Subject: (posdis) FW: test -----Original Message----- From: Jane Nelsen [mailto:jane@positivediscipline.com]=20 Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 2:40 PM To: jane@positivediscipline.com Subject: test test - ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C3F34B.B2C11180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

got it!

Suzanne

Charlotte, NC

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jane Nelsen
To: posdis@lists.xmission.com =

Sent: Saturday, February 14, = 2004 5:42=20 PM

Subject: (posdis) FW: = test

-----Original Message-----
From: Jane = Nelsen=20 [mailto:jane@positivediscipline.com]
Sent: Saturday, = February 14,=20 2004 2:40 PM
To: jane@positivediscipline.com
Subject:=20 test

test

- ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C3F34B.B2C11180-- - - To unsubscribe to posdis, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe posdis" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 22:48:08 -0500 From: "Suzanne Smitha" Subject: Re: (posdis) Any updates on workshops/drop-in classes? Lisa, I remember Lynn Lott making a comment years ago about pricing workshops, and she said she charged a flat fee for the first four sessions (back then it was $40, I think), and she told people up front that after the first four sessions, if they wanted to come back for the next three, they could pay for them each week. She said there was such huge "buy-in" after four weeks, that she had most everyone coming back for the last sessions. She said the advantage of doing it this way was that people didn't have to make such a big outlay at first, for something they didn't know if they'd like or not. I don't know if that is useful to you, or if Lynn would still say the same thing, but I'm passing it on in case it might help as you consider options. Suzanne Smitha Charlotte, NC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Stroyan" To: Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 7:25 PM Subject: (posdis) Any updates on workshops/drop-in classes? > Hello all, > > A couple months ago I asked you all about drop in workshops, and a couple > of you were in the process of starting some up. I'm wondering if you have > had any progress or comments? > > I'd like to come up with a basic structure and announce it at a > presentation I'm doing next week. Below are my current thoughts...I > changed it to signing up for an ongoing group because I'd like to develop > some cohesiveness / support within the group, but now after re-reading the > comments you all sent me earlier, I'm waffling again. So, any > comments/advice would be welcome. Also - I deliberately set the cost > low. I'm just starting out in this and I would rather have wider exposure > at this point; also many of the people that would be interested have very > limited funds. I figure I can raise it after I'm more > established. Anyway, here's what I came up with so far: > > ---------- > > In late March/early April, I plan to start a new group (or groups) to > support and empower parents in their parenting efforts. > > Each workshop session will provide 2 hours of facilitated exercises, > discussions, and problem-solving brainstorming revolving around a > particular topic. > > Each workshop group will meet twice a month. The first workshop session is > free with no commitment required. In order to maintain some cohesiveness, > participants sign up to attend on an ongoing basis (until they wish to > leave the group). > > Cost per session: $7 per person, or $10 per couple. Childcare is also a > possibility and would be an extra cost. > > > Lisa > > > > - > To unsubscribe to posdis, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe posdis" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - - To unsubscribe to posdis, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe posdis" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 10:29:31 -0800 From: "Jane Nelsen" Subject: (posdis) FW: Steve Glenn Fund This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C3F3AE.9D658100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please see information below regarding the H. Stephen Glenn Fund. - -----Original Message----- From: Brad [mailto:brad@empoweringpeople.com] Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 9:23 AM To: Jane Nelsen Subject: Steve Glenn Fund We've set up the H. Stephen Glenn Fund at a local bank. It will be operative until there are not more contributions, and the funds will be sent to Judy on a timely basis, probably weekly. All contributions should be made out to the H. Stephen Glenn Fund in care of my address below. I'll handle any phone inquiries also. Thanks for your help. Vic Shaw Vic Shaw, Partner Distance Learning Center, LLC 14 Prairie Crest Drive Santa Fe, N.M. 87508 (866) 471-1742 (toll free) Fax: (801) 991-7081 - --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Are you still wasting your time with spam?... There is a solution!" Protected by GIANT Company's Spam Inspector The most powerful anti-spam software available. http://mail.spaminspector.com - ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C3F3AE.9D658100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Please=20 see information below regarding the H. Stephen Glenn = Fund.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brad=20 [mailto:brad@empoweringpeople.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 15, = 2004=20 9:23 AM
To: Jane Nelsen
Subject: Steve Glenn=20 Fund

We've set up the H. Stephen Glenn Fund at a = local=20 bank. It will be operative until there are not more = contributions,=20 and the funds will be sent to Judy on a timely basis, probably=20 weekly.

All contributions should be made out to the H. = Stephen=20 Glenn Fund in care of my address below. I'll handle any phone = inquiries=20 also.

Thanks for your help.

Vic=20 Shaw
Vic Shaw, Partner
Distance Learning Center, LLC
14 = Prairie=20 Crest Drive
Santa Fe, N.M. 87508
(866) 471-1742 (toll = free)
Fax: (801)=20 991-7081

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- ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C3F3AE.9D658100-- - - To unsubscribe to posdis, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe posdis" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 11:43:41 -0800 From: Pomerantz Subject: RE: (posdis) FW: test - --============_-1135248266==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi, Got it. I'm here. JaneWP >Jane, > >Do you wish a reply? To know that we got your test? > >Sahara > >Seattle > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-posdis@lists.xmission.com >[mailto:owner-posdis@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jane Nelsen >Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 2:43 PM >To: posdis@lists.xmission.com >Subject: (posdis) FW: test > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jane Nelsen [mailto:jane@positivediscipline.com] >Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 2:40 PM >To: jane@positivediscipline.com >Subject: test > >test - --============_-1135248266==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Got it. I'm here. JaneWP Arial0000,0000,8080Jane, Do you wish a reply? To know that we got your test? Sahara Seattle =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-posdis@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-posdis@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jane Nelsen Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 2:43 PM To: posdis@lists.xmission.com Subject: (posdis) FW: test =20 =20 - -----Original Message----- From: Jane Nelsen [mailto:jane@positivediscipline.com] Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 2:40 PM To: jane@positivediscipline.com Subject: test Arialtest Arial - --============_-1135248266==_ma============-- - - To unsubscribe to posdis, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe posdis" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:01:38 -0800 From: "Jane Nelsen" Subject: (posdis) Steve Glenn's death. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C3F463.1C26CB70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I apologize to those of you who have already received this message, but I have just learned about my mistake that kept it from going to the posdis list: It is with much sadness that I inform you of H. Stephen Glenn's death early this morning (February 4, 2004). He died of Melanoma cancer. About 3 months ago he had a lung removed and his cancer seemed clear. It returned aggressively in the form of two brain tumors. Steve, and his Developing Capable People program, have had a positive influence in the lives of many. He will be missed, but his program will live on. Jane Nelsen PS. Following is Judy Glenn's address. I'm sure she would appreciate cards from people who have been touched by Steve's work. Judy Glenn PMB 4382305-C Ashland Street Ashland, OR 97520 - ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C3F463.1C26CB70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

I apologize to those of you = who have=20 already received this message, but I have just learned about my mistake = that=20 kept it from going to the posdis list:

It=20 is with much sadness that I inform you of H. Stephen Glenn's death early = this=20 morning (February 4, 2004).=20 He died of Melanoma cancer. About 3 months ago he had a lung removed and = his=20 cancer seemed clear. It returned aggressively in the form of two brain = tumors.=20

Steve,=20 and his Developing Capable People program, have had a positive influence = in the=20 lives of many. He will be missed, but his program will live on. Jane=20 Nelsen

PS.=20 Following is Judy Glenn's address. I'm sure she would appreciate cards = from=20 people who have been touched by Steve's work.

Judy=20 Glenn

PMB 4382305-C
Ashland Street
Ashland,=20 OR=20 97520

- ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C3F463.1C26CB70-- - - To unsubscribe to posdis, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe posdis" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:10:07 -0600 From: "Jo Ann Strachan" Subject: RE: (posdis) FW: test This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3F475.0DB013A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MessageHi Jane - just so you know, I have received your messages about Stephen Glenn and your test messages. Hope this helps you in determining the problem! I also received your latest sent today (Monday) at 9:00 a.m. Jo Ann (Minneapolis) -----Original Message----- From: owner-posdis@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-posdis@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jane Nelsen Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 7:30 PM To: posdis@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: (posdis) FW: test Sorry, everyone. I was trying to figure out why some messages I had sent didn't go through. Ken helped me figure out the problem, so it is working now. Jane -----Original Message----- From: owner-posdis@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-posdis@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Sahara Pirie Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 2:09 PM To: posdis@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: (posdis) FW: test Jane, Do you wish a reply? To know that we got your test? Sahara Seattle -----Original Message----- From: owner-posdis@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-posdis@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jane Nelsen Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 2:43 PM To: posdis@lists.xmission.com Subject: (posdis) FW: test -----Original Message----- From: Jane Nelsen [mailto:jane@positivediscipline.com] Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 2:40 PM To: jane@positivediscipline.com Subject: test test - ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3F475.0DB013A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message=

Hi=20 Jane - just so you know, I have received your messages about Stephen = Glenn and=20 your test messages. Hope this helps you in determining the=20 problem! I also received your latest sent today (Monday) at 9:00=20 a.m.

Jo Ann=20 (Minneapolis)

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-posdis@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-posdis@lists.xmission.com]On=20 Behalf Of Jane Nelsen
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 = 7:30=20 PM
To: posdis@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: = (posdis) FW:=20 test

Sorry, everyone. I was trying to figure out why some messages = I had=20 sent didn't go through. Ken helped me figure out the problem, so it is = working=20 now. Jane

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-posdis@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-posdis@lists.xmission.com]=20 On Behalf Of Sahara Pirie
Sent: Saturday, February = 14, 2004=20 2:09 PM
To: posdis@lists.xmission.com
Subject: = RE:=20 (posdis) FW: test

Jane,

Do you = wish=20 a reply? = To know=20 that we got = your=20 test?

Sahara

Seattle

-----Original=20 Message-----
From:=20 owner-posdis@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-posdis@lists.xmission.com]=20 On Behalf Of Jane=20 Nelsen
Sent: = Saturday,=20 February 14, 2004 2:43 PM
To:=20 posdis@lists.xmission.com
Subject: (posdis) FW:=20 test

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: Jane=20 Nelsen [mailto:jane@positivediscipline.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 14, = 2004 2:40=20 PM
To:=20 jane@positivediscipline.com
Subject:=20 test

test
- ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3F475.0DB013A0-- - - To unsubscribe to posdis, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe posdis" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:47:25 -0600 From: Mary Jamin Maguire Subject: (posdis) workshops/drop-in classes Mary wrote: >> >>> We are hoping to get a core group of parents, but are not planning to ask >>> them to formally make a committment. In my research in the Minneapolis/St. >>> Paul area - no one has been able to sustain on-going parenting >>> classes/groups with any structure/model (in the last ten years or so). >> Lisa replied: >> Hmmm, I wonder why? >> >> Mary again: I think because the times have changed. Parents are busier then ever, especially as single parents. Children and teens are busy, busy, busy - and the parents are more focused on "achievement" ratherthen relationships and true success in life (the two lists). And - there are very few at-home moms (in this area). And the (perception of) money is tight - of course, that is often about priorities. Our plan is to get the group going - and when the word gets out we'll be very full, then we can gradually raise the fee and get funding. "If you build it they will come ..." >> >> Lisa S, mom to 6yo Alex >> www.empathic-discipline.com - - To unsubscribe to posdis, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe posdis" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:41:08 EST From: KellyGlenn@aol.com Subject: Re: (posdis) workshops/drop-in classes - -------------------------------1076960468 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/16/2004 12:48:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, majama@visi.com writes: I think because the times have changed. Parents are busier then ever, especially as single parents. Children and teens are busy, busy, busy - and the parents are more focused on "achievement" ratherthen relationships and true success in life (the two lists). And - there are very few at-home moms (in this area). And the (perception of) money is tight - of course, that is often about priorities. As a parent, I too am challenged with how to focus more on relationships rather than achievement. If anyone has any tips for us parents with younger childen, send them my way. I don't see very many models of this around me. My kids' elementary school decided to start the Beta Club for 5th graders. ???? My kids are unique in our community in that they don't play a team sport at ages 7 yo and 10 yo. My on-line message board of PD Moms jokes about a "PD Bubble" that we all want to move to. Kelly Pfeiffer Greenville, SC - -------------------------------1076960468 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 2/16/2004 12:48:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, majama@= visi.com writes:

I think because the times have changed. =20= Parents are busier then ever,
especially as single parents. Children and=20= teens are busy, busy, busy - and
the parents are more focused on "achieve= ment" ratherthen relationships and
true success in life (the two lists).=20= And - there are very few at-home moms
(in this area). And the (perception= of) money is tight - of course, that is
often about priorities.

As a parent, I too am challenged with how to focus more on relationship= s rather than achievement. If anyone has any tips for us parents with=20= younger childen, send them my way. I don't see very many models of thi= s around me. My kids' elementary school decided to start the Beta Club= for 5th graders.   ???? My kids are unique in our community= in that they don't play a team sport at ages 7 yo and 10 yo. My on-li= ne message board of PD Moms jokes about a "PD Bubble" that we all want to mo= ve to.

Kelly Pfeiffer

Greenville, SC
- -------------------------------1076960468-- - - To unsubscribe to posdis, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe posdis" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 12:15:22 -0800 From: "Caroline Owens" Subject: Re: (posdis) workshops/drop-in classes This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3F486.8CFD2060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Kelly, You invited "tips" and I have a few moments to reflect. Having a = genuine conversation with your partner as to what your priorities/values = are for yourself and your family is a start. What is your vision (like = the two lists) and what are realistic ways to support this vision? I = often suggest to the families in my workshop series to incorporate this = kind of reflection into their relationship.What does relationship mean = to each of you? Your children are at an age where having a dialogue = during a family meeting about what is important to each family member = (what does each individual value) would be very interesting. Taking = time to explore the challenges around living these values is also = hlepful. Peer pressure increases as time goes on, but if there is a = forum for honest realtionship-based dialogue in the home there is a = greater chance for all involved to find support within. My teenagers = (now 15 & 16) weren't interested in the sports arena either. They are = known for their own individual passions--drama, art, writing, = relationship skills, kind-heartedness and strength in knowing = themselves--amongst other things. Looking at the difference between = praise and encouragement is analogous to the focus on achievement or the = focus on relationship with oneself as well as with others. Not that = achievement is a bad thing (my kids both enjoy achieving as well--so do = I) but for what reasons--for the love of learning or love of whatever = one is involved in OR for what other reason??? It's helpful to = know--not that one reason is ultimately better than another, but is this = what I value--is this the "long-term goal"? =20 Thanks,=20 Caroline =20 Napa, CA ----- Original Message -----=20 From: KellyGlenn@aol.com=20 To: posdis@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 11:41 AM Subject: Re: (posdis) workshops/drop-in classes In a message dated 2/16/2004 12:48:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, = majama@visi.com writes: I think because the times have changed. Parents are busier then = ever, especially as single parents. Children and teens are busy, busy, = busy - and the parents are more focused on "achievement" ratherthen = relationships and true success in life (the two lists). And - there are very few = at-home moms (in this area). And the (perception of) money is tight - of course, = that is often about priorities. As a parent, I too am challenged with how to focus more on = relationships rather than achievement. If anyone has any tips for us = parents with younger childen, send them my way. I don't see very many = models of this around me. My kids' elementary school decided to start = the Beta Club for 5th graders. ???? My kids are unique in our = community in that they don't play a team sport at ages 7 yo and 10 yo. = My on-line message board of PD Moms jokes about a "PD Bubble" that we = all want to move to. Kelly Pfeiffer Greenville, SC - ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3F486.8CFD2060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Kelly,

You invited "tips" and I have a few moments to reflect. = Having a=20 genuine conversation with your partner as to what your priorities/values = are for=20 yourself and your family is a start. What is your vision = (like the=20 two lists) and what are realistic ways to support this vision? I = often=20 suggest to the families in my workshop series to incorporate this kind = of=20 reflection into their relationship.What does relationship mean to each = of=20 you? Your children are at an age where having a dialogue during a = family=20 meeting about what is important to each family member (what does each = individual=20 value) would be very interesting. Taking time to explore the=20 challenges around living these values is also hlepful. Peer = pressure=20 increases as time goes on, but if there is a forum for honest = realtionship-based=20 dialogue in the home there is a greater chance for all involved to find = support=20 within. My teenagers (now 15 & 16) weren't interested in the = sports=20 arena either. They are known for their own=20 individual passions--drama, art, writing, relationship skills, = kind-heartedness and strength in knowing themselves--amongst other=20 things.  Looking at the difference between praise and = encouragement is=20 analogous to the focus on achievement or the focus on relationship with = oneself=20 as well as with others. Not that achievement is a bad thing = (my kids=20 both enjoy achieving as well--so do I) but for what reasons--for = the love=20 of learning or love of whatever one is involved in OR = for what other=20 reason??? It's helpful to know--not that one reason is = ultimately=20 better than another, but is this what I value--is this the = "long-term=20 goal"?

Thanks,

Caroline          =

Napa, CA

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 KellyGlenn@aol.com
To: posdis@lists.xmission.com =

Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 = 11:41=20 AM

Subject: Re: (posdis) = workshops/drop-in=20 classes

In a message dated 2/16/2004 12:48:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, = majama@visi.com writes:
I think because the times have changed. Parents = are busier=20 then ever,
especially as single parents. Children and teens are = busy,=20 busy, busy - and
the parents are more focused on "achievement" = ratherthen=20 relationships and
true success in life (the two lists). And - = there are=20 very few at-home moms
(in this area). And the (perception of) = money is=20 tight - of course, that is
often about=20 priorities.

As a parent, I too am challenged with how to focus more on = relationships=20 rather than achievement. If anyone has any tips for us parents = with=20 younger childen, send them my way. I don't see very many models = of this=20 around me. My kids' elementary school decided to start the Beta = Club for=20 5th graders.   ???? My kids are unique in our = community in=20 that they don't play a team sport at ages 7 yo and 10 yo. My = on-line=20 message board of PD Moms jokes about a "PD Bubble" that we all want to = move=20 to.

Kelly Pfeiffer

Greenville, SC

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