From: owner-posdis-digest@lists.xmission.com (posdis-digest) To: posdis-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: posdis-digest V1 #23 Reply-To: posdis-digest Sender: owner-posdis-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-posdis-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk posdis-digest Wednesday, June 9 2004 Volume 01 : Number 023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 14:04:36 EDT From: Senditintml@aol.com Subject: Re: (posdis) family meals - -------------------------------1083434676 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kelly, What fun! The concept of that class sounds so great. It's amazing what young children are so capable of doing when given the chance. It's a big injustice how we often underestimate their ability to contribute. Having the children there to role-model with must have such an impact. Great! How did you think of that class concept? Can't wait to hear more about it at TT. If you are going to have the South represented with grits on the menu I would suggest having some New York pizza, or Philly cheese steak to represent the North East! Teresa LaSala Denville, NJ - -------------------------------1083434676 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Kelly,
What fun! The concept of that class sounds so great. It's amazing=20= what young children are so capable of doing when given the chance. It's= a big injustice how we often underestimate their ability to contribute. Hav= ing the children there to role-model with must have such an impact. Great! H= ow did you think of that class concept? Can't wait to hear more about it at=20= TT. If you are going to have the South represented with grits on the menu I=20= would suggest having some New York pizza, or Philly cheese steak to represen= t the North East!
Teresa LaSala
Denville, NJ
 
- -------------------------------1083434676-- - - To unsubscribe to posdis, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe posdis" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 13:13:27 -0700 From: Pomerantz Subject: Re: (posdis) family meals - --============_-1128680031==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Kelly, Awesome title! Great idea! We surely must all hear what you do and how it goes. It reminds me of when we as a family decided on a schedule where each child ,including Aly who was 3 at the time, would cook a meal a week. It also was only in the summer, though some of the tasks and processes have carried over (of course!). I regret it was only the summer of 1995, but enjoy remembering how Luke got adventurous with meals like Beef Burgundy, stir frys, and chicken casserole... Dash used it as an opportunity to learn how to cook easy Mexican food- a few dishes really proficiently, and Dylan just 7, delved into all sorts of breakfasts for dinner. Aly, (not to be left out) made soups from all the spices and syrups and items from the cupboards as we worked together on the meal I was preparing. Bless their hearts, her brothers actually played along and showed appreciation and encouragement every time. Time to bring it back with my 11 and 15 year olds left at home! This summer! Thanks!! I so love the creative ways you teach PD Kelly. Do think about video taping the workshop! Jane WP >What a clever title! Thanks a bunch, Kelly! >Suzanne > >----- Original Message ----- >From: KellyGlenn@aol.com >To: posdis@lists.xmission.com >Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 8:48 AM >Subject: Re: (posdis) family meals > >Jody, > >Thanks for this. It was great information! I am doing a one night >workshop about "Cooking Up Better Behavior" (getting kids involved >in meal preparation) this summer and will add this info in. > >Kelly - --============_-1128680031==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Kelly, Awesome title! Great idea! We surely must all hear what you do and how it goes. It reminds me of when we as a family decided on a schedule where each child ,including Aly who was 3 at the time, would cook a meal a week. It also was only in the summer, though some of the tasks and processes have carried over (of course!). I regret it was only the summer of 1995, but enjoy remembering how Luke got adventurous with meals like Beef Burgundy, stir frys, and chicken casserole... Dash used it as an opportunity to learn how to cook easy Mexican food- a few dishes really proficiently, and Dylan just 7, delved into all sorts of breakfasts for dinner. Aly, (not to be left out) made soups from all the spices and syrups and items from the cupboards as we worked together on the meal I was preparing. Bless their hearts, her brothers actually played along and showed appreciation and encouragement every time. Time to bring it back with my 11 and 15 year olds left at home! This summer! Thanks!! I so love the creative ways you teach PD Kelly. Do think about video taping the workshop! Jane WP What a clever title! Thanks a bunch, Kelly! Suzanne right,left----- Original Message ----- From: <KellyGlenn@aol.com To: <posdis@lists.xmission.com Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 8:48 AM Subject: Re: (posdis) family meals Jody, Thanks for this. It was great information! I am doing a one night workshop about "Cooking Up Better Behavior" (getting kids involved in meal preparation) this summer and will add this info in. Kelly - --============_-1128680031==_ma============-- - - To unsubscribe to posdis, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe posdis" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 13:13:52 -0700 From: Pomerantz Subject: Re: (posdis) family meals - --============_-1128680030==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Kelly, How about video taping it ? it wounds like inspirational viewing! Jane WP >In a message dated 5/1/2004 10:21:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, >mlbrock@gte.net writes: > >Make sure it has a chapter on grits. > > > >-Mike > >LOL Mike! :) > > >Actually I take the ingredients to make yogurt & fruit parfaits and >a simple muffin bread recipe. I talk a little about kids helping to >prepare meals and do a role play and then I get one of the >preschoolers (from the child care room next door ---one of the >children of the parents in my class) and I put an apron on them and >actually demonstrate how to cook with a young child --giving simple >step by step instructions and using child friendly kitchen tools and >teach the child how to make the recipe. Most parents are amazed >that a 3 or 4 yo. can do so much. The parents are SO attentive >watching the preschooler cook. It's kind of like watching a cooking >show on television. I use one child for one recipe and then get >another child to do the second recipe. The child gets to eat the >food too of course and after the muffins cook, I put the muffins in >a basket and then ask the child if he wants to carry the basket >around and offer a muffin to the parents. All of the children have >always wanted to do this and the parents of course love this! > >I've done this same thing several times for some GED students/moms >(lots of young moms) and now I'm doing it this summer for one of our >county family learning and resource centers (where I do most of my >parenting classes.) > >Kelly Pfeiffer, >Greenville, SC - --============_-1128680030==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kelly, How about video taping it ? it wounds like inspirational viewing! Jane WP In a message dated 5/1/2004 10:21:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, mlbrock@gte.net writes: right,leftArial= 0000,0000,8080Make sure it has a chapter on grits. =20 - -Mike LOL Mike! :) =20 =20 Actually I take the ingredients to make yogurt & fruit parfaits and a simple muffin bread recipe. I talk a little about kids helping to prepare meals and do a role play and then I get one of the preschoolers (from the child care room next door ---one of the children of the parents in my class) and I put an apron on them and actually demonstrate how to cook with a young child --giving simple step by step instructions and using child friendly kitchen tools and teach the child how to make the recipe. Most parents are amazed that a 3 or 4 yo. can do so much. The parents are SO attentive watching the preschooler cook. It's kind of like watching a cooking show on television. I use one child for one recipe and then get another child to do the second recipe. The child gets to eat the food too of course and after the muffins cook, I put the muffins in a basket and then ask the child if he wants to carry the basket around and offer a muffin to the parents.=20 All of the children have always wanted to do this and the parents of course love this! =20 I've done this same thing several times for some GED students/moms (lots of young moms) and now I'm doing it this summer for one of our county family learning and resource centers (where I do most of my parenting classes.) =20 Kelly Pfeiffer, Greenville, SC - --============_-1128680030==_ma============-- - - To unsubscribe to posdis, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe posdis" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 13:14:19 -0700 From: Pomerantz Subject: RE: (posdis) family meals - --============_-1128680029==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Right on Mike! Good stuff those grits! Jane WP >Make sure it has a chapter on grits. > > > >-Mike > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-posdis@lists.xmission.com >[mailto:owner-posdis@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Suzanne Smitha >Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 8:56 AM >To: posdis@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: (posdis) family meals > > > >What a clever title! Thanks a bunch, Kelly! > >Suzanne > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: KellyGlenn@aol.com > >To: posdis@lists.xmission.com > >Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 8:48 AM > >Subject: Re: (posdis) family meals > > > >Jody, > > > >Thanks for this. It was great information! I am doing a one night >workshop about "Cooking Up Better Behavior" (getting kids involved >in meal preparation) this summer and will add this info in. > > > >Kelly - --============_-1128680029==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Right on Mike!=20 Good stuff those grits! Jane WP Arial0000,0000,8080Make sure it has a chapter on grits. =20 - -Mike =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-posdis@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-posdis@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Suzanne Smitha Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 8:56 AM To: posdis@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (posdis) family meals =20 ArialWhat a clever title! Thanks a bunch, Kelly! Suzanne - ----- Original Message ----- From: <KellyGlenn@aol.com To: <posdis@lists.xmission.com Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 8:48 AM Subject: Re: (posdis) family meals =20 Jody, =20 Thanks for this. It was great information! I am doing a one night workshop about "Cooking Up Better Behavior" (getting kids involved in meal preparation) this summer and will add this info in. =20 Kelly Arial - --============_-1128680029==_ma============-- - - To unsubscribe to posdis, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe posdis" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 00:57:47 EDT From: KellyGlenn@aol.com Subject: Re: (posdis) family meals - -------------------------------1083473867 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/1/2004 2:05:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, Senditintml@aol.com writes: Kelly, How did you think of that class concept? Teresa LaSala Teresa, From doing other classes for the county, I just noticed a need. When I would talk about chores and getting kids involved in preparing meals, the parents kept giving strange looks and asking questions that led me to see the need for showing parents what kids can really do. Kelly - -------------------------------1083473867 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 5/1/2004 2:05:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, Senditint= ml@aol.com writes:
Kelly,
 How did you think of that class conce= pt?
Teresa LaSala
 
Teresa,
From doing other classes for the county, I just noticed a need.  W= hen I would talk about chores and getting kids involved in preparing me= als, the parents kept giving strange looks and asking questions that led me=20= to see the need for showing parents what kids can really do.
 
Kelly
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In a message dated 5/1/2004 4:11:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, hectic@ma= il.cruzio.com writes:
Kelly,
    How about video taping= it ?  it wounds like inspirational viewing!
Jane WP
Great idea Jane!!  I will see about getting permission to do so!
 
Kelly
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Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:11:45 EDT From: JaneNelsen@aol.com Subject: (posdis) Q & A on Biting - -------------------------------1086822705 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en Hi All, As you may know, we have a panel of people who asnwer questions on=20 our website. I have always meant to send them to the list, but just haven't=20= been=20 organized. I will try to remember from now on. These will soon be published=20 on the website for our new non-profit "Positive Discipline Association" -- w= hen=20 the website is done. Jane Nelsen BITING SISTER =20 Question: =20 I have a 3 1/2 year old daughter who bites, pinches, and pushes her 8 month= =20 old sister. Often she does this in front of me and often she starts by tryi= ng=20 to look like she just wants to hug her. The other day she bit her sister's=20 foot while I was holding the baby. It seems to be escalating and it is very= =20 stressful for all of us. I find myself warning her to be careful as soon as= she=20 approaches the baby. It is clear that she wants attention (when company is=20 over, she is worse). We have tried making her go to the hallway when she hu= rts=20 her sister but it doesn't seem to stop the behaviour. I think we may talk=20 to much and not act enough but I am not sure what the action should be. =20 Thank-you. =20 Answer: =20 Dear Parent, My name is Jody McVittie and I am part of the team that answers questions fo= r=20 the website. I am also a parent of three teens and a family physician. I d= o=20 remember this kind of episode with my own children. I didn=E2=80=99t know an= ything=20 about Positive Discipline at the time but here is what I wish I had known. Help your daughter by telling her what to do instead of what not to do. Thre= e=20 and one half year olds can be very intense young people. They don=E2=80=99t=20= have=20 their feelings and thoughts well sorted but they do have lots of energy. I t= hink y our observation that it looks as if your daughter wants to hug=E2=80=A6but e= nds up=20 biting is very astute and probably accurate. My guess is what she is really=20 aiming for is a sense of connection=E2=80=A6but she hasn=E2=80=99t really ma= stered getting the=20 result she wants. As your daughter approaches her sister, calmly remind her= to=20 be =E2=80=9Csoft and gentle=E2=80=9D with her touch. It will not be successf= ul right away. =20 But over time she=E2=80=99ll get the message. When she makes (another) mist= ake, don=E2=80=99t=20 over react. Put the baby down for a second. Give your older daughter a hug= (=E2=80=9C This is what soft and gentle feels like=E2=80=9D). Then ask her to go get a=20= book to=20 read or something you can do with her while you are also holding the baby as= =20 you pick the baby back up and comfort her. You can say the same words to the= =20 little one: =E2=80=9CThis is what soft and gentle feels like.=E2=80=9D One=20= of my children went=20 through a =E2=80=9Cbiting stage=E2=80=9D at about that age too. He would com= e up and look=20 like he was going to give me a hug and I would end up with bite marks on my=20 thigh. I began to notice a reflex to pull back from him! I also realized th= at he=20 didn=E2=80=99t really mean to hurt me; he just had lots of energy to connect= and didn=E2=80=99 t know how to express it. I changed my behavior and would get down to his=20 level and open my arms and say, =E2=80=9CHug, soft and gentle,=E2=80=9D as h= e rushed toward me.=20 Gradually (not overnight) he learned to channel all that energy into a hug=20 that was easier for me to receive than the bite. (But they were intense litt= le=20 hugs!) Let her know that it is normal to have mixed feelings when you get a younger= =20 sister (or brother). At a time when you are playing together or having quiet= =20 time together let your older daughter know how much you love her. Let her kn= ow=20 that you notice that sometimes it is hard for her to have a sister in the=20 house. Invite her to share what she is feeling. If you have memories of havi= ng=20 mixed feelings of a younger sibling coming into the house that you can share= =20 that. If you don=E2=80=99t have experiences to share, maybe another adult sh= e trusts does.=20 If not, there are lots of books for children on this subject that you could=20 check out of the library. I particularly like the ones by Mr. Rogers because= he=20 is so honest about both the positive and negative feelings. All feelings are= =20 ok. What children need to learn is how to be angry without hurting others. Resist all temptation to label her as a bully and the younger one as the=20 victim. Discipline is about teaching, not punishing. Your job is to teach y= our=20 daughter how to learn to notice her feelings (if indeed she is angry or jeal= ous)=20 and to help her find ways of handling them. Here are some ideas: After you= =20 have hugged both children (see #1 above) you could:=20 =C2=B7 Say (to the oldest), it seems like you might think that you a= ren=E2=80=99t=20 getting enough attention. If you need to snuggle too, say, =E2=80=9CCan I ha= ve a hug?=E2=80=9D =C2=B7 Ask (the oldest), =E2=80=9CAre you feeling left out? What co= uld we do=20 together while I feed your sister (snuggle with your sister etc)?=E2=80=9D =C2=B7 Say to the oldest. =E2=80=9CIt seems like you need some speci= al time too.=20 When (your young one) takes her nap, what would you like to do with me?=E2= =80=9D Prevention: Notice that this will happen when your older daughter has the=20 (mistaken) belief that I don=E2=80=99t belong or am not significant. You ca= n=E2=80=99t make her=20 feel belonging or significance, but you can invite those feelings by making=20 sure that she has opportunities to contribute. (She could set the table, hel= p=20 pick menus, take special responsibility for pets, help cook, chose songs to=20 sing to the baby etc.) You can make sure that she does have special time wi= th=20 you. Another prevention tool would be to talk to your daughter about ways she can= =20 be included when you are holding the little one. At a time when the two of=20 you are alone, you could brainstorm activities to do together and make a lis= t.=20 Put the list and the supplies in a special bag or box. When you are holding=20= the=20 young one, invite the older one to go get the bag/box and pick an activity.=20= =20 Almost 4 year olds can engage easily in a puzzle, reading a book, listening=20 and singing along with a tape (or without a tape), playing =E2=80=9CI spy wi= th my little=20 eye,=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9Cteaching=E2=80=9D the baby facial expressions (which=20= is another way to teach=20 the older one about feelings), etc. Lastly, make sure you take time to take care of yourself. Having two childre= n=20 at home under the age of 4 is a lot of work. You will have more compassion,=20 patience and be able to set limits clearly with kindness when you are at you= r=20 best. Be kind to yourself and enlist the help if others if needed to make s= ure=20 that you have some moments to be kind to yourself. Best wishes,=20 =20 Jody McVittie =20 - -------------------------------1086822705 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en
Hi All, As you may know, we have a panel of people who asnwer questions= on our website. I have always meant to send them to the list, but just have= n't been organized. I will try to remember from now on. These will soon be p= ublished on the website for our new non-profit "Positive Discipline Associat= ion" -- when the website is done. Jane Nelsen
 

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I have a  3 1/2 year old daughter who bites, pinc= hes, and pushes her 8 month old sister.&nb= sp; Often she does this in front of me and often she starts by trying= to look like she just wants to hug her.&n= bsp; The other day she bit her sister's foot while I was holding the=20= baby.  It seems to be escalati= ng and it is very stressful for all of us.=   I find myself warning her to be careful as soon as she approac= hes the baby.  It is clear tha= t she wants attention (when company is over, she is worse).  We have tried making her go to the hallway wh= en she hurts her sister but it doesn't seem to stop the behaviour.   I think we may talk to much and=20= not act enough but I am not sure what the action should be.  Thank-you.

 

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Dear Parent,

My name is Jody McVitti= e and I am part of the team that answers qu= estions for the website.  I am= also a parent of three teens and a family physician.  I do remember this kind of episode with my own chil= dren. I didn=E2=80=99t know anything about Positive Discipline at the time b= ut here is what I wish I had known.

  1. Help your daughter by telling her what to do<= /B> instead of what not to do. Three and one half year olds can be very inte= nse young people. They don=E2=80=99t have their feelings and thoughts well s= orted but they do have lots of energy. I think your observation that it look= s as if your daughter wants to hug=E2=80=A6but ends up biting is very astute= and probably accurate. My guess is what she is really aiming for is a sense= of connection=E2=80=A6but she hasn=E2=80=99t really mastered getting the re= sult she wants.  As your daugh= ter approaches her sister, calmly remind her to be =E2=80=9Csoft and gentle= =E2=80=9D with her touch. It will not be successful right away.  But over time she=E2=80=99ll get the me= ssage.  When she makes (anothe= r) mistake, don=E2=80=99t over react. = ; Put the baby down for a second.&n= bsp; Give your older daughter a hug (=E2=80=9CThis is what soft and g= entle feels like=E2=80=9D). Then ask her to go get a book to read or somethi= ng you can do with her while you are also holding the baby as you pick the b= aby back up and comfort her. You can say the same words to the little one:=20= =E2=80=9CThis is what soft and gentle feels like.=E2=80=9D  One of my children went through a =E2=80=9Cbit= ing stage=E2=80=9D at about that age too. He would come up and look like he=20= was going to give me a hug and I would end up with bite marks on my thigh. I= began to notice a reflex to pull back from him!  I also realized that he didn=E2=80=99t really mean to hu= rt me; he just had lots of energy to connect and didn=E2=80=99t know how to=20= express it.  I changed my beha= vior and would get down to his level and open my arms and say, =E2=80=9CHug,= soft and gentle,=E2=80=9D as he rushed toward me. Gradually (not overnight)= he learned to channel all that energy into a hug that was easier for me to=20= receive than the bite. (But they were intense little hugs!)
  2. Let her know that it is normal to have mixed fee= lings when you get a younger sister (or brother). At a time when you are pla= ying together or having quiet time together let your older daughter know how= much you love her. Let her know that you notice that sometimes it is hard f= or her to have a sister in the house. Invite her to share what she is feelin= g. If you have memories of having mixed feelings of a younger sibling coming= into the house that you can share that. If you don=E2=80=99t have experienc= es to share, maybe another adult she trusts does. If not, there are lots of=20= books for children on this subject that you could check out of the library.=20= I particularly like the ones by Mr. Rogers because he is so honest about bot= h the positive and negative feelings. All feelings are ok.  What children need to learn is how to be angry= without hurting others.
  3. Resist all temptation to label her as a bully an= d the younger one as the victim.  Discipline is about teaching, not punishing. Your job is to teach your d= aughter how to learn to notice her feelings (if indeed she is angry or jealo= us) and to help her find ways of handling them.  Here are some ideas:&nb= sp; After you have hugged both children (see #1 above) you could:

    =      Say (to the oldest), it se= ems like you might think that you aren=E2=80=99t getting enough attention. I= f you need to snuggle too, say, =E2=80=9CCan I have a hug?=E2=80=9D

    =      Ask (the oldest), =E2=80= =9CAre you feeling left out?  = What could we do together while I feed your sister (snuggle with your sister= etc)?=E2=80=9D

    =      Say to the oldest. =E2=80= =9CIt seems like you need some special time too. When (your young one) takes= her nap, what would you like to do with me?=E2=80=9D

  1. Prevention: Notice that this will happen when yo= ur older daughter has the (mistaken) belief that I don=E2=80=99t belong or a= m not significant.  You can= =E2=80=99t make her feel belonging or significance, but you can invit= e those feelings by making sure that she has opportunities to contribute. (S= he could set the table, help pick menus, take special responsibility for pet= s, help cook, chose songs to sing to the baby etc.)  You can make sure that she does have special time wit= h you.
  2. Another prevention tool would be to talk to your= daughter about ways she can be included when you are holding the little one= .  At a time when the two of y= ou are alone, you could brainstorm activities to do together and make a list= . Put the list and the supplies in a special bag or box. When you are holdin= g the young one, invite the older one to go get the bag/box and pick an acti= vity.  Almost 4 year olds can=20= engage easily in a puzzle, reading a book, listening and singing along with=20= a tape (or without a tape), playing =E2=80=9CI spy with my little eye,=E2= =80=9D =E2=80=9Cteaching=E2=80=9D the baby facial expressions (which is anot= her way to teach the older one about feelings), etc.
  3. Lastly, make sure you take time to take care of=20= yourself. Having two children at home under the age of 4 is a lot of work. Y= ou will have more compassion, patience and be able to set limits clearly wit= h kindness when you are at your best. = ; Be kind to yourself and enlist the help if others if needed to make= sure that you have some moments to be kind to yourself.

Best wishes,

 

Jody McVittie

 

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