From: Shawn Lazerus Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Year's Greetings Date: 01 Jan 2000 20:28:18 +0000 > I, Shaun Hately, Contractor, Unisys Australia, do verify that the computer > designated as TIM is Year 2000 compliant in accordance with all known > compliance standards. > > Shaun Hately 1/1/2000 Well done Shaun! I hope that everyone's computer system is up and running! Happy New Year Everyone! -Shawn ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Beth A Epstein Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Year's Greetings Date: 01 Jan 2000 14:31:47 -0600 Shaun Hately wrote: > > From: Latimer84@aol.com > > >In a message dated 12/31/1999 12:10:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, > >tptigger@mac-addict.com writes: > > > >> PS Has anyone checked to make sure TIM is y2k compatible? Hey, that was Stephen! :) > *Of course*, TIM is Y2K compliant - you don't think I've spent the last 9 > months handling Y2K remediation without checking out the most important > computer in the world. Guess we should've known he was taken care of. Why is February 29th a concern? (Glad Peter checked that one for us.:) Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Year's Greetings Date: 02 Jan 2000 09:00:50 +1100 >Guess we should've known he was taken care of. He nagged and nagged and nagged... And he's not a good patient - Geoff's right. >Why is February 29th a concern? (Glad Peter checked that one for us.:) Because 29th February 1900 was not a leap year but 29th February 2000 is. The rule for leap years is that a year is a leap year if the last two digits in the year can be cleanly divided by four - *except* when those last two digits are 00. In that case, the year is only a leap year if the entire four digit year can be cleanly divided by 400. Becau 1900 wasn't a leap year (nor was 1800 or 1700, and 2100 won't be either) many programs will not except 29/02/00 (or 02/29/00 or 00/2/29 depending on what date style is used in your corner of the world as a valid date) - the programmers correctly identified the 1900 date as not being a leap year but failed to add in the qualification about dividing century end years being divisible by 400. This problem is actually more widespread than the Y2K bug itself but it's not as problematic. Programs containing this bug will simply view the 29th February as the 1st March and function normally - repairs will have to be made, etc, but it's not as big a deal. But because of its proximity to 1/1/2000 it's generally tested as part of Y2K work (just as 9/9/99 was). Shaun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wendy Kelley Subject: TPDIS: ade's site Date: 01 Jan 2000 16:34:20 -0600 Just heard back from ade. She told me the site is located at: http://www.bestweb.net/~ade/tomorrow/index.htm ... Wendy ladyslvr@xmission.com * http://www.xmission.com/~ladyslvr/ Listowner: Tomorrow People fiction and discussion lists Listowner: Sliders creative list ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tassierilla@juno.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Year's Greetings Date: 02 Jan 2000 10:23:59 -0500 I'm always being told curiosity killed the kinder, er, cat...but is he Y2K compliant?? Happy New Year, Century, Millenium, 2000, whatever you're calling it, to all! Sarah On Fri, 31 Dec 1999 12:57:52 -0500 "Michele Bumbarger" writes: > Wow. You must have a really great earthlink account, Beth :-) > > Cute, very cute . . . of course, I am wondering now . . . Is TIM Y2K > compliant? > > Happy New Year's to each and everyone . . . remember, be smart and > be > Y2K complacent. > > ::Re-activating lurker channel alpha one:: > Michele Bumbarger > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Beth Epstein > To: > Sent: Friday, December 31, 1999 12:10 PM > Subject: TPDIS: New Year's Greetings > > "Animals and children tell the truth; they never lie. But which one is more human? There's a thought, now you decide." ~Savage Garden, "The Animal Song" "Cruelest dream: Reality." ~The Offspring, "The Kids Aren't Alright" ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeremy Rogers Subject: Re: TPDIS: discussions Date: 02 Jan 2000 17:26:28 GMT Jackie Newman wrote: > CMento6653@aol.com wrote: > > I recall in the book, Mike broke out in the jail cell but I also think > > somehow, maybe after this, he jaunted indiscriminately to save a little girl > > from getting run ovre by a car, possibly Dunning's car. > I know this because one of the cast mentioned it during the 25th > anniversary video. Mike himself was questioned about the scene and > denied knowledge of why it was cut, but judging from the indiscreet > comments made by a few of the others it must be true. Of course such a > thing is rather libelous and so I cannot reveal any further details > hehe (Oh the power!!!). From my experience of both talking to the old series cast/crew and interviews by others of them, there are a number of events which have contradictory recollections, which in some cases disagreeing with hard contemporary available evidence. I put this down to the length of time and that everyone has a selective memory, which sometimes reflects not what happened but what one wished had happened. Also it has to be kept in mind that it was not all harmony when the series was made - indeed the reverse might be nearer the truth. Jez -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AgentRacerX@cs.com Subject: TPDIS: General Damon Date: 02 Jan 2000 18:15:44 EST I remember a while back on the list there was a discussion on General Damon's position in the US government, what exactly his job was, etc. At the moment, I'm about done with a fan-fic where he mentions (just mentions, it's not an important part of the fic) that he was drafted into the Vietnam War. Is this a possibility, or will I have to change the dialogue? -Nicole ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Latimer84@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: General Damon Date: 02 Jan 2000 18:20:17 EST In a message dated 00-01-02 18:16:17 EST, you write: > I remember a while back on the list there was a discussion on General Damon' > s > position in the US government, what exactly his job was, etc. At the moment, > > I'm about done with a fan-fic where he mentions (just mentions, it's not an > important part of the fic) that he was drafted into the Vietnam War. Is > this > a possibility, or will I have to change the dialogue? It sounds plausible me. That could have been the start of his career. I don't know if he could get to the position he now holds in that amount of time, though (I really mean it--I haven't the faintest idea, it could be entirely possible). -Geoff (who's using AOL 3.0 on this computer and so doesn't have a sig) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: General Damon Date: 03 Jan 2000 13:03:19 +1100 >I remember a while back on the list there was a discussion on General Damon's >position in the US government, what exactly his job was, etc. At the moment, >I'm about done with a fan-fic where he mentions (just mentions, it's not an >important part of the fic) that he was drafted into the Vietnam War. Is this >a possibility, or will I have to change the dialogue? Definitely possible though somewhat unusual. He's an officer and generally conscripts were enlisted men. Now an enlisted man can become an officer - but it suggests he was very good at what he did. Of course, as he became a General, that suggests he is very good at it (-8 Bear in mind that US combat troops were withdrawn from Vietnam in August 1972 (with all troops withdrawn by March 1973 - except for those at the embassy who were there until April 1975). That's twenty years prior to Origin Story - OK, given Megabyte's age then, it seems reasonable his father could have been in the military during Vietnam. And he could have made General rank in that time - it'd be fast but not impossible. Shaun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeffe Boats" Subject: Re: TPDIS: General Damon Date: 03 Jan 2000 01:46:18 EST Tomorrow People, >Definitely possible though somewhat unusual. He's an officer and generally >conscripts were enlisted men. Now an enlisted man can become an officer - >but it suggests he was very good at what he did. Of course, as he became a >General, that suggests he is very good at it (-8 > >Bear in mind that US combat troops were withdrawn from Vietnam in August >1972 (with all troops withdrawn by March 1973 - except for those at the >embassy who were there until April 1975). That's twenty years prior to >Origin Story - OK, given Megabyte's age then, it seems reasonable his >father >could have been in the military during Vietnam. > >And he could have made General rank in that time - it'd be fast but not >impossible. > >Shaun A quick suggestion to add a bit more plausibility to fanfic. For someone to rise to the position of general so quickly, Damon must have done some rather extraordinary service and have many important connections. It seems likely, then, that such a person would have served in some version of the secret service prior to his subsequent advancements through the armed forces. The most likely organization with which he could have served would be the CIA, but considering the fact that he is usually involved in operations involving advanced, classified science and technology, a more plausible background would be that he worked for the NSA. (For those not familiar with American government organizations, the NSA is the organization whose primary repsonsibilities are code-breaking and maintaining the security and clarity of American communications). --Jeffe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David M Yates" Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Year's Greetings Date: 03 Jan 2000 14:43:48 -0000 It would be a brave Millennium Bug that got into TIM's system! .........Jedikiah perhaps?? Happy New Year! David -----Original Message----- >From: Latimer84@aol.com > > >>In a message dated 12/31/1999 12:10:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, >>tptigger@mac-addict.com writes: >> >>> PS Has anyone checked to make sure TIM is y2k compatible? >> >>Hmmm... I wonder if TIM would find this acceptable? "That is none of your >>business, John." =) > > >*Of course*, TIM is Y2K compliant - you don't think I've spent the last 9 >months handling Y2K remediation without checking out the most important >computer in the world. > >I attach below the official UNISYS standard compliance certification. > >DESIGNATION OF SYSTEM: TIM >DATE OF CREATION: c1971 >STATUS AND MODIFICATION: System moved from original location and reinstalled >c1978. >KNOWN PERIPHERALS: Mini-TIM, c1976 >ORIGINAL PROGRAMMER(S): Timon Irnok Manta >ASSEMBLY AND MAINTENANCE: John >LOCATION OF MAIN PLANT: London, England >OPERATING SYSTEM: Proprietary/Confidential > >Level 1 Compliance Status (9/9/1999): Confirmed compliant. Verified by >examination 9/9/1999. >Level 2 Compliance Status (31/12/1999): Confirmed compliant. Verfieid by >examination 31/12/1999. >Level 3 Compliance Status (1/1/2000): Confirmed compliant. Verified by >examination 1/1/2000. >Level 4 Compliance Status (29/2/2000): Confirmed compliant. Compliance >reported by Peter in memo dated 12/3/2501. >Level 5 Compliance Status (31/12/1999|1/1/2000): Confirmed compliant. >Verified by examination 1/1/2000. > >KNOWN COMPLIANCE ISSUES: None >KNOWN NON-COMPLIANCE ISSUES: Some difficulty with simple calculations. > >I, Shaun Hately, Contractor, Unisys Australia, do verify that the computer >designated as TIM is Year 2000 compliant in accordance with all known >compliance standards. > >Shaun Hately 1/1/2000 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AgentRacerX@cs.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: General Damon Date: 03 Jan 2000 17:29:43 EST In a message dated 1/3/00 1:47:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, jeffeboats@hotmail.com writes: > >And he could have made General rank in that time - it'd be fast but not > >impossible. > > > >Shaun > > A quick suggestion to add a bit more plausibility to fanfic. > > For someone to rise to the position of general so quickly, Damon must > have done some rather extraordinary service and have many important > connections. As far as the time frame is concerned, I think that the constraints come more from the series itself than anything I've written. I was actually worried at first that Damon might not have been old enough to serve (but it turned out that this wasn't really an issue). I estimate that he was between 40 and 45 in the Origin Story. Even without the Vietnam War, he wouldn't have had very much time to rise to the position of General. Actually, by being drafted he might have been introduced to the army or whatever at an earlier age than he would have been otherwise. Anyway, I'm just confused by this whole thing, and am seriously considering just chopping that bit from the fic, since it's only a passing reference anyway. -Nicole ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: xfreek Subject: TPDIS: What happened to Lisa? Date: 04 Jan 2000 16:24:01 -0800 (PST) Does anyone know what happened to Kristin Ariza (who played Lisa) of the New Series? Did she quit? Was she fired? I do know that Adam Pearce (Kevin) was fired because Pressman said that it's implausible that Kevin and Megabyte would be buddies and saw no need for him in the show. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: xfreek Subject: TPDIS: thread theory? Date: 04 Jan 2000 16:26:16 -0800 (PST) I'm wondering: how do you add a list to the "thread theory" section on the Galactic Federation site? I'm almost finished with a TP list I'm working on now. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: What happened to Lisa? Date: 05 Jan 2000 12:48:21 +1100 > From: xfreek [mailto:xfreek@yahoo.com] > > Does anyone know what happened to Kristin Ariza (who > played Lisa) of the New Series? Did she quit? Was she > fired? I do know that Adam Pearce (Kevin) was fired > because Pressman said that it's implausible that Kevin > and Megabyte would be buddies and saw no need for him > in the show. From memory (and I cannot remember where I read this) she decided she didn't want to be an actress - she had never intended to be one and had only gone along to the audition with a friend and auditioned when she was told she either had to audition or leave. I think she began studying to be a doctor although I'm not sure where she went with that. Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Megabyte725@cs.com Subject: TPDIS: TP tally (new series) Date: 08 Jan 2000 22:04:34 EST TP tally (new series) I was watching my Tomorrow People tapes and I realized that, though still=20 very well-written, had a lot of repetition. Here, I've documented some of=20 them - and some I just added for fun. I wrote this list intended for the=20 thread theory section of the GF site. Caution: Some spoilers are included.=20 Contributions welcome.=20 Number of times a non-TP teleports - eight =B7 Kevin teleports General Damon near the helicopter site (Origin, part 5) =B7 Kevin teleports Mrs. Davies to the beach (Origin, part 5) =B7 Megabyte teleports his dad onto the beach (Origin, part 5) =B7 Adam teleports Mr. Bishop to the top of a tree (Monsoon, part 3) =B7 Adam teleports Lucy to the warehouse (Monsoon, part 3) =B7 The TP's teleport Dr. Zimmerman to Cobb's office (Monsoon, part 5) =B7 Millicent, along with Adam, is teleported into the spaceship with the he= lp=20 of Megabyte and Ami (Rameses, part 5) =B7 Adam teleports Beth out of the boiler room (Stones, part 5) Number of times a villain gives off an evil laugh or chuckle - forty-seven =B7 The mobile bus parking lot guard laughs as he drives the bus that Kevin=20= is=20 on top of (Origin, 3) =B7 Agent Jones laughs as he attempts to run over Adam, Lisa and Kevin (Orig= in,=20 3) =B7 Lady Mulvaney laughs as she describes her plan (Origin, 5) =B7 Culex has a total of 10 laughs (Culex, 2-5) =B7 Twin 1 laughs 2 times (Culex, 2-3) =B7 Twin 2 laughs 2 times (Culex, 2-3) =B7 Wilkie laughs 9 times (Monsoon, 1-5) =B7 Cobb laughs 8 times (Monsoon, 3-5) =B7 Twitch (Cobb's assistant) laughs 4 times (Monsoon, 4-5) =B7 Beef (Cobb's other assistant) laughs 3 times (Monsoon, 4-5) =B7 Scully (the guy with the goatee) chuckles 6 times (Rameses, 1-2) =B7 Beaumont-Savage chuckles 2 times (Stones, 5) (Culex and the twins hold the record for the longest laugh, by the way,=20 clocking in at 54 seconds when they watch Ami swatting at the mosquito) Number of times a TP or TP's search a room or house - thirteen =B7 Adam and Megabyte search Culex's mansion (Culex, 3) =B7 Adam and Ami search Culex's warehouse (Culex, 4) =B7 Megabyte and Adam search Mr. Bishop's office for clues on Lucy's=20 disappearance (Monsoon, 1) =B7 Megabyte and Adam, along with Mr. Bishop, search the same office for wha= t=20 the "cleaning lady" might have done (Monsoon, 3) =B7 Megabyte and Ami search Cobb's office (Monsoon, 3) =B7 Adam snoops around Cobb's office a bit more (Monsoon, 4) =B7 Adam, Megabyte, and Ami quickly snoop around Dr. James's office before s= he=20 comes in (Rameses, 1) =B7 Adam searches Mr. Tate and Scully's office (and the secret room) as=20 Megabyte distracts them (Rameses, 1) =B7 Adam and Megabyte search the Zuzu club (Rameses, 3) =B7 Adam and Megabyte investigate the lost tomb of Rameses Akara (Rameses, 3= ) =B7 Megabyte performs a more thorough search of Mr. Tate and Scully's offic= e=20 (Rameses, 3) =B7 Megabyte also searches Felix Fry's laboratory (Rameses, 4) =B7 Megabyte and Adam search Byron Lucifer's mansion (Stones, 5) Number of episodes that don't end where a TP is directly endangered - three =B7 Culex, part 4, ends with General Damon announcing that Culex wants the=20 machine =B7 Monsoon, part 4, ends with Wilkie grabbing Lucy =B7 Stones, part 1, ends with a shot of Mrs. Weston being possessed by the=20 alien=20 Number of non-TP's that become TP's after they express their desire to becom= e=20 one - two =B7 Megabyte says teleporting would be the "dream of my life come true"; he=20 breaks out 3 episodes later (Origin) =B7 Jade says she wants to "be just like you (referring to Adam and Megabyte= )";=20 she breaks out about 3 =BD episodes later (Stones) Number of times Adam hugs someone - four =B7 He hugs Lisa after she teleports from Galt's TP trapper (Origin, 3) =B7 He hugs Lucy after he teleports from the truck explosion (Monsoon, 5) =B7 He hugs Lucy again after Mr. Bishop announces there will be a job waitin= g=20 for her at the newspaper (Monsoon, 5) =B7 He hugs both Megabyte and Jade after they defeat the aliens (Stones, 5) Number of times the TP's mind merge - six =B7 Kevin, Lisa, and Adam do this to teleport near the school (Origin, 3) =B7 Kevin and Lisa do this to try to contact Adam (Origin, 5) =B7 Adam, Megabyte, and Ami do this to see what happened to Kevin (Culex, 1) =B7 The same three do this to see the number of the motorbike that took Kevi= n=20 away (Culex, 2) =B7 Adam and Megabyte do this to teleport Ami out of Culex's cage (Culex, 3) =B7 Megabyte and Ami do this to contact Adam and to teleport him and Millice= nt=20 out of the inverted dimension (Rameses, 5) Number of times Megabyte operates a complex computer system - five =B7 He operates his dad's traveling program to get him and Kevin tickets to=20= the=20 States (Origin, 2) =B7 He types uses the police computer system to see who owns the motorbike t= hat=20 nearly ran over Ami (Culex, 2) =B7 He stops Dr. Conner's machine from producing more insects (Culex, 5) =B7 He uses his powers to break Cobb's security code for his private elevato= r=20 (Monsoon, 3) =B7 He operates Felix Fry's program to show a minimized example of "pyramid=20 power" (Rameses, 4) Number of times someone grabs Adam from behind - two =B7 Culex does this and knocks him out with a drug (Culex, 3) =B7 Murdo does this at the London Forum (Stones, 5) Number of female villains or females working for the villain (whether they=20 knew it or not) - ten =B7 Gloria (Origin) =B7 Lady Mulvaney (Origin) =B7 Dr. Culex (Culex) =B7 The Twins (Culex) =B7 The impostor "living" at Lucy's place (Monsoon, 1) =B7 Mrs. Butterworth (Monsoon, 2) =B7 Ami (!) is controlled momentarily by Rameses (Rameses, 2-3) =B7 Mrs. Weston (Stones) =B7 Mrs. Triplett (the old lady in the black dress) (Stones) Number of times someone being chased hides, followed by the chaser(s) passin= g=20 right by him or her - five =B7 Two bullies are chasing Megabyte and Kevin when they hide behind a gate=20 (Origin, 1) =B7 Those agents are chasing Megabyte and Kevin out of the auditorium when t= hey=20 hide in garbage cans (Origin, 2) =B7 The Worldex people chase one of the twins when she hides behind a pillar= =20 (Culex, 3) =B7 Wilkie chases Lucy out of the mansion when she hides behind some bushes=20 (Monsoon, 1) =B7 Twitch and Beef chase after Adam when he runs into an elevator, then=20 teleports behind a pillar to mislead them (Monsoon, 4) Number of dead TP's - two =B7 Galt mentions he accidentally killed a TP (Origin, 1) =B7 Lisa dies, but is resurrected by the ship (Origin, 5) Number of times Megabyte tastes bad food - three =B7 The cherry cake he eats while he and Adam explain to Ami that she is a T= P=20 (Culex, 1) =B7 He claims that Ruth's porridge is "salty and has lumps in it" (Culex, 2) =B7 He says that Colonel Cobb's Cereal "tastes like dog biscuits," then buys= =20 two boxes for his sister (Monsoon, 1) Number of times Adam and Ami wrestle - one =B7 Right before the pyramid collapses (Rameses, 3) Number of times a TP teleports another TP by using their mind - three =B7 Adam and Megabyte mind merge to teleport Ami out of Culex's glass cage=20 (Culex, 3) =B7 Ami repays the favor by teleporting Adam and Megabyte out of Wilkie's ev= il=20 clutches (Monsoon, 2) =B7 Ami and Megabyte mind merge to teleport Adam and Millicent out of the=20 inverted dimension (Rameses, 5) Number of times a TP is viewed by a hidden camera - four =B7 Adam, Kevin, and Lisa are watched by the agents' hidden camera at the=20 school (Origin, 3) =B7 Adam and Lisa, along with her mother, are viewed by another camera at=20 Lisa's apartment (Origin, 4) =B7 Culex views Kevin riding his bike (Culex, 1) =B7 Adam and Megabyte are also watched by Culex as they approach her house=20 (Culex, 2) Number of villains who change their name or take on an assumed name - four =B7 Aliza Jeffreys changes her name to Dr. Culex (Culex) =B7 Dr. Culex pretends to be Commander Scott (Culex, 4) =B7 Professor Middlemass assumes Zimmerman's identity (Monsoon, 4) =B7 Rameses Akara changes his name to Sam Rees (Rameses) Number of times an unconscious TP teleports - six =B7 Lisa teleports just after she is knocked out by two darts (Origin, 4) =B7 Kevin teleports the still unconscious Lisa from the sea into the spacesh= ip=20 (Origin, 5) =B7 Megabyte teleports Kevin who is in a coma from the truck (Culex, __) =B7 Ami uses her powers to teleport Adam and Megabyte who had been knocked o= ut=20 by the weather machine (Monsoon, 2) =B7 Ami teleports the unconscious Megabyte right before both of them are abo= ut=20 to be crushed by the elevator (Monsoon, 4) =B7 Jade teleports for the first time when she teleports Megabyte out of the= =20 exploding boiler room (Stones, 5) Number of times Ami wreaks havoc in the kitchen - two =B7 Pot lids and cereal fly when she teleports Megabyte and Adam from Wilkie= =20 and Middlemass's basement (Monsoon, 2) =B7 She knocks down her chair, then throws herself onto the kitchen table,=20 knocking things all over when Rameses's pendant begins to control her=20 (Rameses, 2) Number of times a TP is trapped in an enclosed space - five =B7 Megabyte is stuffed in a suitcase by Galt and Gloria (Origin, 3) =B7 You could say Kevin is trapped in the phone booth when he gets attacked=20= by=20 the mosquito (Culex, 1) =B7 Ami is put in the glass cage by Culex (Culex, 2) =B7 Kevin is put in the green pod by Culex (Culex, 3) =B7 Adam is put in another pod after he is knocked out (Culex, 4) Number of serials dealing with an evil plot to conquer the world - five =B7 The Origin Story =B7 The Culex Experiment =B7 The Monsoon Man =B7 The Rameses Connection =B7 The Living Stones Number of times a TP is subjected to bondage - five =B7 Megabyte is tied up as Masters interrogates him (Origin, 3) =B7 Megabyte is later forced to wear a straight jacket (Origin, 3) =B7 Adam is handcuffed by Masters (Origin, 5) =B7 Lisa is also handcuffed (Origin, 5) =B7 Jade is tied to a pipe in the boiler room (Stones, 4) Number of big houses - eight =B7 Megabyte's house (Origin) =B7 Lady Mulvaney's mansion (Origin) =B7 Culex's mansion (Culex) =B7 Wilkie and Middlemass's mansion (Monsoon, 1-2) =B7 Mr. Bishop's house (Monsoon, 2) =B7 Dr. Zimmerman's house (Monsoon, 4-5) =B7 Scully and Mr. Tate's house (Rameses, 1-4) =B7 Jade's house (Stones) =B7 Byron Lucifer's country mansion (Stones) Number of times a gun is pointed at a TP - four =B7 The agents point their stun guns at Lisa and Adam, along with her mom=20 (Origin, 4) =B7 Lady Mulvaney points her rifle at Megabyte, along with his dad (Origin,=20= 5) =B7 Mrs. Toms points her rifle at Adam (Stones, 3) =B7 General Beaumont-Savage's soldiers points their guns at Megabyte, Adam,=20= and=20 Jade (Stones, 5) Number of good scientists - three =B7 Dr. Conners (Culex) =B7 Felix Fry (He says he didn't know Sam Rees's motives were bad, so he's=20 considered good) (Rameses) =B7 Beth Halliday (Stones) Number of bad scientists - three =B7 Professor Galt (Origin) =B7 Dr. Culex (Culex) =B7 Professor Middlemass (Monsoon) Number of mad scientists - one =B7 Dr. Culex (Culex) Number of inventions or discoveries that the villain or villains are after -= s ix =B7 Professor Galt's TP trapper is needed by Dr. Masters (Origin, 1-2) =B7 Dr. Masters' discovery of the Tomrrow People would complete Lady Mulvane= y's=20 plan (Origin) =B7 Dr. Conner's Cornia Copia machine is wanted by Dr. Culex (Culex, 4-5) =B7 Professor Middlemass's weather machine is invented to suit Colonel Cobb'= s=20 purposes (Monsoon) =B7 Felix Fry's research is necessary for Rameses's plan to work (Rameses) =B7 Beth Halliday's audio-frequency generator is needed by the pod people=20 (Stones) Number of explosions - fifteen =B7 The test dummy Professor Galt uses for the TP trapper explodes (Origin,=20= 2) =B7 Galt's equipment explodes, thanks to Megabyte (Origin, 2) =B7 The ceramic dwarfs Lady Mulvaney shoots explode (Origin, 3) =B7 After Megabyte throws the silver helmet in the air it explodes (Origin,=20= 4) =B7 Richie's bag exploding was sort of an explosion (Culex, 4) =B7 A bomb goes off in Mr. Bishop's office with him, Megabyte and Adam in it= =20 (Monsoon, 3) =B7 The truck with all the weather equipment inside of it explodes as Adam=20 drives it into the garage (Monsoon, 5) =B7 Rameses's white cat explodes a red car just as Adam dodges behind it=20 (Rameses, 1) =B7 The Marharba Stone explodes (Rameses, 5) =B7 Two pods creates flame and sparks as they crash land in the forest (Ston= es,=20 1) =B7 The lock of the room Beth is put in explodes when "General Damon" "rescu= es"=20 her (Stones, 3) =B7 An explosion is created when an alien runs into a pile of branches on hi= s=20 motorbike (Stones, 4) =B7 The boiler room of Byron Lucifer's mansion explodes (Stones, 5) =B7 The explosives General Beaumont-Savage plant go off at the London Forum=20 (Stones, 5) Number of times Adam tackles an old woman - one =B7 Adam tackles Mrs. Toms in the cave, mistaking her for an alien (Stones,=20= 3) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Matott" Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP tally (new series) Date: 08 Jan 2000 21:13:44 PST Very interesting lists. Just two comments. >Number of times a TP teleports another TP by using their mind - three >· Adam and Megabyte mind merge to teleport Ami out of Culex's glass >cage I don't suppose it said something definitive about this in the novelization? My take on it was always that this was Ami's full 'break out' . I interpreted it that she was teleporting, and that Adam and Megabyte just helped her with a focus. >· Dr. Conner's Cornia Copia machine is wanted by Dr. Culex (Culex, The word is "cornucopia". It refers to an abundant harvest. (It means horn of plenty and refers to an object in the shape of a goat's horn that was filled with grains, grapes, etc.) ta mike ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Nolan Subject: TPDIS: Hello, Date: 11 Jan 2000 07:34:21 +1100 Hello to the List, My name is Tony and I am a Intelligence Officer in Sydney Australia, where i work at one of the universities. A part from being a big TP fan, writing fan fiction and knowing Shaun Hately off another list. I dont know a lot about the list, But it was suggested to me to join and say hello. hence this email. Hello regards tony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Megabyte725@cs.com Subject: TPDIS: old series tapes Date: 10 Jan 2000 17:20:10 EST Is there anyone who sells the old series tapes?!?!? I've been visiting all the sites and I'm addicting to the OS even though i haven't seen any of the episodes. (i'm a fan of the NS) so, if there's anyone who sells the old series tapes I'll buy. Thanks! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: old series tapes Date: 11 Jan 2000 09:23:03 +1100 > From: Megabyte725@cs.com [mailto:Megabyte725@cs.com] > > Is there anyone who sells the old series tapes?!?!? I've been > visiting all > the sites and I'm addicting to the OS even though i haven't > seen any of the > episodes. (i'm a fan of the NS) so, if there's anyone who > sells the old > series tapes I'll buy. Thanks! I do but only in PAL which is not much help to Americans (coversion or the st-up to watch them is quite expensive), BTW - to those waiting on tapes from me on list, I'm copying now, one of my VCRs died over Christmas so it had to wait. Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Megabyte725@cs.com Subject: TPDIS: winzip Date: 10 Jan 2000 21:19:51 EST does anyone out there have the program to unzip files? I download the tp font online but i can't unzip it. thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: winzip Date: 11 Jan 2000 13:22:00 +1100 > From: Megabyte725@cs.com [mailto:Megabyte725@cs.com] > > does anyone out there have the program to unzip files? I > download the tp font > online but i can't unzip it. thanks. Go to www.tucows.com (or any other shareware site - tucows is just my favourite) and search for winzip. You should find it pretty easily. Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ariana Brill Subject: Re: TPDIS: winzip Date: 10 Jan 2000 19:17:02 -0800 "Hately, Shaun" wrote: > > > From: Megabyte725@cs.com [mailto:Megabyte725@cs.com] > > > > does anyone out there have the program to unzip files? I > > download the tp font > > online but i can't unzip it. thanks. > > Go to www.tucows.com (or any other shareware site - tucows is just my > favourite) and search for winzip. You should find it pretty easily. When that fails, downloading it from www.winzip.com works, too. IIRC the specific address for downloading is something like http://www.winzip.com/ddchomea.htm -- (~.~) Ariana "Fantasy is hardly an escape from reality. It's a way of understanding it." - Lloyd Alexander saylormars@mail.com ICQ 9737939 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aaron Linsky" Subject: TPDIS: DONT use winzip Date: 10 Jan 2000 19:33:26 -0800 I like Stuffit Aladdin Systems, Inc.'s freeware Expander http://www.aladdinsys.com/expander/index.html WORKS SO MUCH BETTER THEN WINZIP!!!!!! -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-tpdis@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Ariana Brill Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 7:17 PM "Hately, Shaun" wrote: > > > From: Megabyte725@cs.com [mailto:Megabyte725@cs.com] > > > > does anyone out there have the program to unzip files? I > > download the tp font > > online but i can't unzip it. thanks. > > Go to www.tucows.com (or any other shareware site - tucows is just my > favourite) and search for winzip. You should find it pretty easily. When that fails, downloading it from www.winzip.com works, too. IIRC the specific address for downloading is something like http://www.winzip.com/ddchomea.htm -- (~.~) Ariana "Fantasy is hardly an escape from reality. It's a way of understanding it." - Lloyd Alexander saylormars@mail.com ICQ 9737939 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: miltle@baraboo.com (Milton Smith) Subject: Re: TPDIS: DONT use winzip Date: 10 Jan 2000 21:55:19 -0600 I can't possibly see how expander can work better then Winzip... uncompression is uncompression. I use Winzip all the time.. works great... I have the expander program but only use it when people send me odd things compressed with Mac compression programs. -- My web page: http://members.baraboo.com/msmith/index.html IRC: ExodusIRC as lebon. http://www.exodusirc.net Got webpage? Contact Stardancer Web Design - http://go.to/stardancerweb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aaron Linsky" Subject: RE: TPDIS: DONT use winzip Date: 11 Jan 2000 20:05:28 -0800 Try it -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-tpdis@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Milton Smith Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 7:55 PM I can't possibly see how expander can work better then Winzip... uncompression is uncompression. I use Winzip all the time.. works great... I have the expander program but only use it when people send me odd things compressed with Mac compression programs. -- My web page: http://members.baraboo.com/msmith/index.html IRC: ExodusIRC as lebon. http://www.exodusirc.net Got webpage? Contact Stardancer Web Design - http://go.to/stardancerweb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Megabyte725@cs.com Subject: TPDIS: thanks for all the help Date: 11 Jan 2000 23:24:17 EST thanks for all the help. i finally was able to download winzip. (oh, and on a side note. If there's anyone out there who's willing to make copies of the old series tapes and who lives in the U.S., please drop me an e-mail. ) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ruby Red Subject: Re: TPDIS: Hello, Date: 11 Jan 2000 22:14:49 +1100 On Tue, Jan 11, 2000 at 07:34:21AM +1100, Tony Nolan wrote: > > Hello to the List, Hello. > > My name is Tony and I am a Intelligence Officer in Sydney Australia, where > i work at one of the universities. Yo! Another Aussie! An Intelligence Officer? What does an Intelligence Officer do? > A part from being a big TP fan, writing fan fiction and knowing Shaun > Hately off another list. I dont know a lot about the list, But it was > suggested to me to join and say hello. hence this email. Well, we have rambling discussions about anything vaguely TP-related... (we even discussed accents as we were trying to figure out what Megabyte's accent was) Sometimes the discussion dies down, but never fear, we're still here. KJA (back online after two weeks lost in hyperspace with a dead computer) -- Ruby Red http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat http://www.crosswinds.net/~rubykat "Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas any more." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Hello, Date: 12 Jan 2000 19:34:31 +1100 >> My name is Tony and I am a Intelligence Officer in Sydney Australia, where >> i work at one of the universities. > >Yo! Another Aussie! > >An Intelligence Officer? What does an Intelligence Officer do? Keeps secrets - including the fact he was an intelligence officer (I didn't know that till I saw it here) (-8 (Actually I don't know what Tony's job in that area entails - it's just an observation that you always learn something new on lists). Shaun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Nolan Subject: Re: TPDIS: Hello, Date: 12 Jan 2000 22:09:18 +1100 Hello all, I saw that this list is not ment to be for private or off topic chat, and i dont want to be kicked off for my 2nd post, nor get accused of boosting, etc... I work as an intelligence office, and my duties involve business intelligence, criminal intelligence, and criminal profiling. I work for a university and also for the state police, where i research, develop new academic tracts especially in decision making, cognition and knowledge engineering. Part of my research also includes the creation of Artificial Life Forms, ie cloning human knowledge and decision making, and hybrid into a desk top computer. I also consult for business, government depts, prime ministers office , and more recently NASA, where I an discussing an opportunity, of developing space probes and robots to explore MARS. Apart from that I a Single Unwanted Dumb Male, living in Sydney Australia. Now, I have loved the tommorrow people for such a long time, i dont have any copies of the programs, just remember them in my head. I loved the original series best, cause it let you think about issues more, and you could use your imagination, it was some thing i could relate to. Especially wanting to teleport out of boring school classes. It took me a lot longer to get into the first series, and then it went off air. I am really interested in revisiting the computer in the first series. I am interested in how they reacted to it, and how they used it, and how it used them. I know of course it wasnt real, however, much of science fiction becomes science faction, ie reality. Programs like the tommorrow people, often tested societies reaction, and broke new ideas into society through popular TV and Sci Fi. Such as when a young character was brought into the series, in the eposide, where he lived in a tenant sort of slum or public housing, and the local ganster had him, but then the wheel turned full circle, and the ganster went to jail, sort of a crime doesnt pay theme, but i remember more being written into it at the time, about the struggle of the residents, etc. Anyway, I think I said too much anyway, and now i can go back into the silence. Thanks for making me feel welcome tony At 10:14 PM 1/11/00 +1100, you wrote: >On Tue, Jan 11, 2000 at 07:34:21AM +1100, Tony Nolan wrote: >> >> Hello to the List, >Hello. >> >> My name is Tony and I am a Intelligence Officer in Sydney Australia, where >> i work at one of the universities. > >Yo! Another Aussie! > >An Intelligence Officer? What does an Intelligence Officer do? > >> A part from being a big TP fan, writing fan fiction and knowing Shaun >> Hately off another list. I dont know a lot about the list, But it was >> suggested to me to join and say hello. hence this email. > >Well, we have rambling discussions about anything vaguely >TP-related... (we even discussed accents as we were trying to figure >out what Megabyte's accent was) Sometimes the discussion dies down, >but never fear, we're still here. > >KJA >(back online after two weeks lost in hyperspace with a dead computer) >-- >Ruby Red > http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat > http://www.crosswinds.net/~rubykat >"Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas any more." > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jackie Newman Subject: TPDIS: TP on TV Date: 12 Jan 2000 20:41:26 +0000 I recently posted to the European Sci-fi channel's web forum asking whether they intended to show TP this year. I thought you may like to see their reply. Sci-Fi replied to your post 'The Tomorrow People' at the site: Sci-Fi. The URL of this forum is http://w3t.amxstudios.com/scifi/wwwthreads.pl. The reply was: It's possible that we will acquire The Tomorrow People at some point in the future but it is not likely to be shown this year I'm afraid. After this someone else (maybe one of you?) asked whether they had plans to show the new series and they said this was much more likely as it is more recent, and has never been shown before. So lets keep our fingers crossed. Jackie -- May your senses be enlightened and your dreams be fulfilled. (Traditional Manyarnern Greeting) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "JR Jobe" Subject: TPDIS: prose Date: 13 Jan 2000 18:18:55 -0600 Does ne one have a prose that is about 10 min long with only a few voices in it http://jronline.freeservers.com http://www.studenthouse.net/cgi-bin/topcams/rankem.cgi?action=in&id=JR381 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: prose Date: 13 Jan 2000 19:56:43 EST Can I ask what the heck this is supposed to mean? Please help! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Beth A Epstein Subject: TPDIS: ADMIN: Reminder: On Topic Date: 13 Jan 2000 19:32:33 -0600 This is just a reminder: Since some of you seem to have forgotten, I thought I'd just remind all of you that posts to this list should be related to the Tomorrow People in one way or another. Please don't make your admins get out the wet noodles again, it won't be pretty. :) Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "JR Jobe" Subject: Re: TPDIS: ADMIN: Reminder: On Topic Date: 13 Jan 2000 20:15:34 -0600 sorry I sent it to the wrong list it should have gone to my other ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Wiltsie" Subject: Re: TPDIS: is there... Date: 14 Jan 2000 15:41:17 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01BF5EA5.CC1E0F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Someone asked a short time ago about where to go for purchasing TP = tapes. This web site ought to help them out. Just ran across it when I = was going through my email. Happy Jaunting, and hope that peace will be soon. Johnneye ----- Original Message -----=20 From: xfreek=20 To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, November 26, 1999 9:25 PM Subject: Re: TPDIS: is there... just go to http://www.xmission.com/~ladyslvr/gftch/index2.html. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: CMento6653@aol.com=20 To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 7:39 PM Subject: Re: TPDIS: is there... How can I join it? ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01BF5EA5.CC1E0F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Someone asked a short time ago about = where to go=20 for purchasing TP tapes.  This web site ought to help them = out.  Just=20 ran across it when I was going through my email.
 
Happy Jaunting, and hope that peace = will be=20 soon.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_002B_01BF5EA5.CC1E0F00-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wendy Kelley Subject: Re: TPDIS: is there... Date: 14 Jan 2000 20:09:52 -0600 John said: > >Someone asked a short time ago about where to go for purchasing TP tapes. >This web site ought to help them out. Just ran across it when I was going through my email. >just go to http://www.xmission.com /~ladyslvr/gftch/index2.html. That's the Galactic Federation Communications Hub, which is more or less the official site for the TP mailing lists on xmission. Unfortunately, I've stopped accepting new orders for tapes as of Halloween '99. ... Wendy ladyslvr@xmission.com * http://www.xmission.com/~ladyslvr/ Listowner: Tomorrow People fiction and discussion lists Listowner: Sliders creative list ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jackie Newman Subject: TPDIS: A lame excuse. Date: 15 Jan 2000 05:49:43 +0000 This bit is to keep our ever vigilant list Admins happy. Does any one out there have stored, on their pc, some early pics taken from my web site? There was one of the Tp's doing a telepathy experiment with Chris Evans, and another of my PVC member ship card and the autographed photo of PVC. I'd like to put them back on the site but no longer have the original files. The pics were touched up considerably by a friend and I can never recreate the clarity of image etc again. Now on a personal note, this in the quickest way to let you all know that I'm getting married on 26th Feb. and will not be in TP chat for a long while, or doing much writing for that matter ;-) In my unofficial capacity as general list agitator and instigator of lame discussion topics I do expect you to carry on discussing tp in my absence... (just kidding) I'll be in lurk mode for a while but still reading all posts. So take care all and keep up the good work. Jackie :) -- May your senses be enlightened and your dreams be fulfilled. (Traditional Manyarnern Greeting) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Amy Bridger Subject: TPDIS: We are the tomorrow people Date: 15 Jan 2000 20:45:04 +1000 I saw this quote today in a newsgroup and thought I'ld share as I found it funny (and it is on topic) sir_oran@my-deja.com (Sir Oran) wrote in aus.tv > >Apparently the Neanderthals made a TV show called _The Tomorrow People_, >about people with strange powers, like the ability to stand upright and >make fire. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Beth A Epstein Subject: Re: TPDIS: We are the tomorrow people Date: 15 Jan 2000 10:22:38 -0600 Amy Bridger wrote: > sir_oran@my-deja.com (Sir Oran) wrote in aus.tv > > > >Apparently the Neanderthals made a TV show called _The Tomorrow People_, > >about people with strange powers, like the ability to stand upright and > >make fire. Neanderthals had TV? They weren't supposed to. Quick, somebody call Peter the Time Guardian. Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: TPDIS: Images, Images, who wants images Date: 16 Jan 2000 11:05:29 +1100 I've just set up my video capture equipment to capture *one* image I need for something. As setting this up is a complex affair (not because it should be but because TIM won't cooperate) it's really a waste of time not capturing other images at the same time. So I thought I'd ask - is anyone on the list looking for specific images from OS/NS episodes for webpages, general use, whatever. If so, let me know what you are after and I'll see if I can capture them for you. Just give me details - as much as you can remember. I can handle specific requests (ie, a picture of that cat from Rameses Connection shooting with its eyes) or more vague ones (a picture of John smiling). Give me the details you can and I'll see what I can do. Shaun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Images, Images, who wants images Date: 16 Jan 2000 03:37:42 EST I tend to remember images I took years ago with a tripod and camera which came out pretty good. Unfortunately a fan took the negatives and never returned them... I don't need the images but some that were pretty good visually were: Hsue Tai and Andrew pointing stun guns from ACHILLE'S HEEL Stephen smiling up at TIM from SLAVES OF JEDIKIAH. Tyso and Timus in Lab with Tim in INTO THE UNKNOWN Stephen and Kenny shrugging as the guard almost catches them at Crown Jewels Stephen's face with lines all over it in SLAVES Peter putting his finger on the time device in MEDUSA Stephen with the world behind him smiling SLAVES Stephen in space suit, hair over his eyes in SLAVES or MEDUSA Kenny at the link table-MEDUSA Carol and John's hands near Stephen's head, headband on-SLAVES Kenny, Lefty, huge eye window and Cyclops beyond it-SLAVES Mike on the med table-LOST GODS Cyclops spaceship-iron?-SLAVES Robot Jedi, Ginge, LEfty, medium shot-SLAVES Copin in elevator-MEDUSA Jedi in space-MEDUSA or SLAVES Ginge holding arm around Kenny who is yelling SLAVES 5 Jedi in background, snake statue in foreground-SLAVES Kenny's face as his eyes bug out as he stares at Jedi's trap device-SLAVES Stephen first hynotized in lab-SLAVES Carol's eyes as she recalls the necklace Jedi had--double exposure-SLAVES Jedi up close, one eye bigger-SLAVES Mom and Doc-SLAVES in hallway in hospital Rubowski, Carol asleep and suspended in air, New Jedi-MEDUSA Close up Jedi robot-SLAVES Tyso alone in lab-full shot of lab and Tim's bubbles-INTO THE UNKNOWN John shirtless and Carol-SLAVES in john's room Cyclops close up-SLAVES Klepton close up-HOLIDAY Kenny standing, Carol sitting, John standing in foreground in lab-SLAVES Stephen headband, John and Carol, all around link table SLAVES Stpehen returns from time warp, John, Ginge, Stephen on jaunt pad-MEDUSA Stephen in brown cordoroy jacket, looking up, close up-?-long eyelashes-?VE or Ms giant Medusa in railway station-MEDUSA Peter behind bars medium shot-MEDUSA Stephen close up, long hair-A RIFT IN TIME-near Peter's cell-various Peter and Stephen in AE suits in alt lab med shot-Peter looks at Stephen-A RIFT Stephen shirtless-various-return from swimming-BLUE AND GREEN John and Lee, John in spacesuit-DD MEN Liz in alt lab in AE suit-A RIFT Mike on med table awakening, John-new lab-THE LOST GODS-various Liz on screen, Mike, John-new lab-LOST GODS Paul and Douglas at link table, Liz, John, Stephen, lab, long shot, Tim-DD MEN Paul and STephen with jaunting belts on, dd men behind them-DD MEN Stephen grabbing Paul as John holds him from behind-DD MEN Tyso in coma long shot from waist up-SECRET WEAPON Subject: RE: TPDIS: A lame excuse. Date: 16 Jan 2000 09:41:27 -0500 >Now on a personal note, this in the quickest way to let you all know >that I'm getting married on 26th Feb. and will not be in TP chat for a >long while, or doing much writing for that matter ;-) In my unofficial >capacity as general list agitator and instigator of lame discussion >topics I do expect you to carry on discussing tp in my absence... (just >kidding) I'll be in lurk mode for a while but still reading all posts. > >So take care all and keep up the good work. > >Jackie :) Unfortunately, I don't have any of your pictures, but I just wanted to say congratulations on your upcoming wedding! Jen (Who made a New Year's Resolution to quit lurking on all my email lists, but it's harder than it looks! :)) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Romana3@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: A lame excuse. Date: 16 Jan 2000 11:28:40 EST In a message dated 1/16/00 9:38:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, jsulzer@kent.edu writes: << >Now on a personal note, this in the quickest way to let you all know >that I'm getting married on 26th Feb. and will not be in TP chat for a >long while, or doing much writing for that matter ;-) In my unofficial >capacity as general list agitator and instigator of lame discussion >topics I do expect you to carry on discussing tp in my absence... (just >kidding) I'll be in lurk mode for a while but still reading all posts. > >So take care all and keep up the good work. >> I think that at one point in time, I had some of your pictures. Though I don't know if I sill have them. If I do I will send them to you. BTW congratulations on getting married! I think that the 26th of Feb. is the best day to get married... Besides the fact that it's the same day as my birthday... ^_^* Kristin Whose going to try to get more involved in the list and quit lurking so much... Try, notice I said try... "Do not try to bend the spoon. Instead realize that there is no spoon." ~The Matrix ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "marmion116" Subject: TPDIS: 2nd Generation Date: 16 Jan 2000 22:11:59 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01BF606E.B59E9040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was just wondering what the list members thought would be the most = likely future for the TP. Assuming they returned to Earth (in the case = of OS) or stayed on Earth (NS) Would John's Children and Grandchildren develop into a sort of = hereditary ruling family (Or Adam's) or would they come up with a democratic solution very quickly, or = something in between? Or would the Galactic Federation impose some universal form of = Govenment? Carolyn ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: 2nd Generation Date: 18 Jan 2000 13:39:28 +1100 > From: marmion116 [mailto:marmion116@netscapeonline.co.uk] > > I was just wondering what the list members thought would be > the most likely future for the TP. Assuming they returned to > Earth (in the case of OS) or stayed on Earth (NS) > > Would John's Children and Grandchildren develop into a sort > of hereditary ruling family (Or Adam's) > or would they come up with a democratic solution very > quickly, or something in between? When everyone can communicate so easily, it seems there'd be less of a need for government because consensus decisions could be taken relatively simply. Personally I believe that there would still be some form of government - in order to simplify things, and make sure most decisions could be taken without a need for massive consultations. I very much doubt there'd be any type of heriditary system - except *possibly* as a symbol. In the early days as TP and saps both live in competition to each other, while the saps have the upper hand, some sort of rallying point or symbol might be useful. Personally, I'd stick Hsui Tai in that position - she has the experience (-8 But that's unlikely IMHO - I doubt there'd be any need for such a system. I think the TP 'government' would be a meritocracy - where the best of the best, the wisest and most intelligent would lead by general agreement. On a smaller scale that is already what happened in both series - John lead by virtue of the fact he was older and more mature and better able to make serious decisions. When Liz came on the scene, she became very much a co-leader - and both Stephen and Mike (the two TP we most had a chance to see grow from kids to young adults) gained power as they aged, until they were very close to being equal to John and Liz in the decision making process by the end of their time on Earth. In War of the Empires, when John and Liz are out of the picture, Mike immediately takes a leadership position - because he's the best person available to do it. And Hsui Tai and Andrew follow him. In the new series, while Adam is leader, if anyone is, it's a much more equal relationship - because he always has others around him who are fairly close to his age, and have similar levels of maturity and insight. Liza in Origin Story, Ami after that - and Megabyte all the way through. Megabyte is interesting IMHO - because, again, we see him grow up to an extent. By RC and TLS, he's very much an equal to Adam. It's meritocracy again - the person best qualified to lead, leads. But in the new series, there's a more equal arrangement. > Or would the Galactic Federation impose some universal form > of Govenment? Knowing how bureaucratic they are, it wouldn't surprise me if they tried (-8 But John (especially) has shown what he thinks of their bureaucracy and would be likely to disagree unless what they suggested made sense. Liz might go along with it - she seems the type to let them set it up and then change it so it works. Mike would object strenuously on principle (he's more like John than I care to admit). Adam and Megabyte might let them set up a government - and then they'd ignore it if it didn't suit them. Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: 2nd Generation Date: 17 Jan 2000 22:05:45 EST Things were so informal on the TV show, it would seem difficult to pin this down. What would happen? I think John would be leader for as long as could. Someone in a fan fiction universe once put forth a telepathic vote--I am not sure how it would have worked but unconsciously I guess the Tps would have a vote and TIM would take it and announce the winner of a leader. There was also some kind of council to deal with problems which came about I think after one of the TP leaders committed suicide--in this fan fiction universe. It was quite entertaining but I didn't necessarily agree with a lot of it. I think after WAR OF THE EMPIRES, with so much supposedly going to "change"--the Trig might try to do something like interfere with the TP on Earth: possibly if Tricia were involved...and I would see this happening as early as in between REVENGE OF JEDIKIAH and ONE LAW...she would try to take over. Perhaps not that early as she was still a new TP. Certainly by WAR, Tricia might want to get back into Earth politics as it relates to the TP. Somehow, I like the informal thing best. However, once TP start breaking out all over the place or the Great Breakout occurs, a ruling body might be needed. I mean how would TP handle threats to themselves from other governments? Military? Aliens who are telepathic that are not peaceful and would come to Earth? ALiens who are not telepathic and come to Earth? Natural disasters and helping the people hurt by them? Terrorists? Wars on Earth? Any of these could bring dozens of different actions and opinions from any TP and what would have to happen? Obviously each TP cannot act on his own and not have it affect the others in some way, even in a small way. To ask further questions, what happens when TP in other countries break out. WHat would have happened when Russians break out before the fall of communism in Russia? China? What happens if deadly enemies have members who break out (think the Mid East and South Africa and Africa, the IRA and British, Cathloic and Protestant in Ireland, etc).? WHat about TP that may turn out to be gay? Or high profile TP? Actors? Sports figures? Rock stars? How to keep it all quiet? Should the Tp reveal what they are in full? Or not? WHat about religion? What if relgious leaders attack the Tp as being of the devil? What about supernatural? Since some things seem to exist that the TP didn't think did (Soggoth) what do they do about supernatural threats or allies? Who are allies? Does the Trig take over in event of standoff in voting for the TP? Do TP vote? As you can see there are lots of issues and lots of answers and sides to each. All of this can lead to seasons upon seasons of THE TOMORROW PEOPLE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "marmion116" Subject: TPDIS: TP and Intelligence Date: 22 Jan 2000 20:11:16 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01BF6514.D6EA64E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Are all TPs above 'average' (For saps, perhaps?) intelligence or are = there / will there be in the future people with TP powers but limited = intelligence? what does the list think? What about people with learning difficulties / mental disabilities and = TP powers? Carolyn ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jen Sulzer" Subject: RE: TPDIS: TP and Intelligence Date: 22 Jan 2000 16:44:07 -0500 Are all TPs above 'average' (For saps, perhaps?) intelligence or > are there / will there be in the future people with TP powers but > limited intelligence? > What about people with learning difficulties / mental > disabilities and TP powers? Sounds like fuel for a great fanfic! :-) But, really, I think the import= ant thing about the Tomorrow People is that, while they may be of many races = and types, they are all one people. As I believe Adam once said--"Anyone can= be a Tomorrow Person." This is along the same lines--I have volunteered at the Special Olympics = for a couple of years, and one thing I noticed is that, while the kids with physical handicaps may be impaired physically, it does not affect their mental abilities. In fact, many of them are smarter than some of my classmates. ;-) Imagine if you've been in a wheelchair all your life, an= d you suddenly develop the ability to teleport! Food for thought, Jen jsulzer@kent.edu http://www.personal.kent.edu/~jsulzer/ "May you walk with the awareness of life. =A0May you walk in beauty." =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Teresa Pijoan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Nolan Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP and Intelligence Date: 23 Jan 2000 15:39:52 +1100 Hello Carolyn, If I remember right, it was said in the TV series, that TP was just another function of the brain, however it was dormant, and just beginning to be awoke. As for Intelligence, the better word is being GIFTED. By one definition is that their are 8 different intelligences, and that all people can use these intelligences. TO be Intelligent ot gifted, you just can use more of then more often, than your strata of society. I like to think that the gifted groups in this world, are just like the tommorrow people, they seem to have a lots of common, both in the best of life and the trials of life. regards tony At 08:11 PM 1/22/00 -0000, you wrote: >Are all TPs above 'average' (For saps, perhaps?) intelligence or are there / will there be in the future people with TP powers but limited intelligence? > >what does the list think? > >What about people with learning difficulties / mental disabilities and TP powers? > >Carolyn > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP and Intelligence Date: 23 Jan 2000 09:09:57 +1100 > Are all TPs above 'average' (For saps, perhaps?) intelligence or are there / will there be in the future people with TP powers but limited > intelligence? > > what does the list think? > > What about people with learning difficulties / mental disabilities and TP powers? On average, I'd say the TP are more intelligent than the average Sap - significantly more intelligent. This is born out by limited statements in the show, but is mentioned in more detail in 'The Visitor'. That said, that doesn't mean intelligence is required to be a TP. I'm sure that a relatively similar rate of intellectual disability will exist among TPs as among Saps and learning difficulties and intelligence are not mutually exclusive. Shaun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP and Intelligence Date: 23 Jan 2000 01:55:37 EST Well intellect is a tricky thing. IQ is perhaps not as important these days as Emotional IQ. STephen didn't do well in school (SLAVES OF JEDKIAH, BLUE AND GREEN) yet his memory seemed to be fantastic--he recalls Jedkiah's words word by word in THE MEDUSA STRAIN. Liz and John seem smarter than usual. Hsue Tai didn't. Andrew's plan in WAR OF EMPIRES works but was it smart? Mike? Well, I dunno bout him! He certainly didn't do right by THE DIRTIEST BUSINESS. Tyso? Lisa wasn't too smart really--at least she talked as if she couldn't. Ami? MEga might have been smart. Adam? Dunno. Kevin? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP and Intelligence Date: 23 Jan 2000 01:58:19 EST Mental abilities. Well this is also strange since a Down's Syndrome person can have a fantastic memory, recalling what team a baseball player was on and what team he was traded to, who played Richard Kimble in the original FUGITIVE and who played the other characters and their characters names but cannot recall their phone numbers. Cerebral Palsy is not an intelligence attacking disease. I think that MR, Down's Syndrome, and wheelchair bound people, CP, and other disabled could break out. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP and Intelligence Date: 23 Jan 2000 02:02:44 EST We also would have to define intelligence. What is intelligent? People who want to start wars over land, politics, religion? People who want politicians to run their governement? IQ testing to prove intelligence? Emotionally who is intelligent and what is the Tp and how are they different intellectually. Willing to sacrifice themselves (as Stephen was in VANISHING EARTH by trying out the transport device without testing it for traps first just to save time to save the Saps)? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Nolan Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP and Intelligence Date: 23 Jan 2000 20:24:34 +1100 there is a story in the book Space Odyssey a collection of sci fi stories the story is called Carrier by Robert Sheckley It sort of deals with intelligebce and PSI, and para psi Its a side twist, but may be of interest. regards tony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP and Intelligence Date: 23 Jan 2000 21:50:10 +1100 >Well intellect is a tricky thing. IQ is perhaps not as important these days >as Emotional IQ. STephen didn't do well in school (SLAVES OF JEDKIAH, BLUE >AND GREEN) yet his memory seemed to be fantastic--he recalls Jedkiah's words >word by word in THE MEDUSA STRAIN. Liz and John seem smarter than usual. Hsue >Tai didn't. Andrew's plan in WAR OF EMPIRES works but was it smart? Mike? >Well, I dunno bout him! He certainly didn't do right by THE DIRTIEST >BUSINESS. Tyso? Lisa wasn't too smart really--at least she talked as if she >couldn't. Ami? MEga might have been smart. Adam? Dunno. Kevin? It needs to be borne in mind that high intelligence is not always (in fact, quite commonly isn't) apparent to casual observation. Many highly intelligent people do not look at all different or act at all different from anyone else. Let's look at the examples. Stephen didn't do well at school - well, that's actually quite common among highly intelligent kids and teens - it's extremely common, in fact - they have the highest level of underachievement in school of just about any group. In fact, Stephen's mothers comments in The Slaves of Jedikiah are almost classic when it comes to highly intelligent children - 'very bright but doesn't do well in school.' Parents are generally the best judges of their kids intellect - school results are one of the worst. Teachers are also *very* bad at identifying highly intelligent kids - they are improving now but in the early 70s... yeesh - they missed 70% of kids with IQs in the top 2% - they only picked 30% of them - and Liz, remember, is still in training in The Blue and The Green. Liz and John certainly are intelligent. I don't think there's any reason to think Hsui Tai isn't - she has poor English skills but that's an entirely different matter. We have few signs that she is intelligent - but there are a couple of pointers - in Hitler's Last Secret, she discusses the idea of a world inhabited by children and her belief it would be a much nicer place than our own. In The Medusa Strain, she shows a deal of common sense talking to Andrew. Neither of these things prove high intellect - but she's no dummy either, and I see no reason not to suppose she isn't. Andrew - actually I think we have a pretty good sign of his intelligence in 'Castle of Fear' after the mock battle. In discussion, he instantly knows what he is - unlike the others he didn't seem to need a detailed explanation, he seems to have been able to extrapolate it fairly readily. Mike - in One Law, he comes up with a quite elaborate plan to get Dunning - yes, he stuffs up in The Dirtiest Business - but he was in love, and he was a kid - maturity and intelligence are totally different things. The others - there's no reason, IMHO, to doubt any of their intelligence. Lisa's speech gives no sign really - plenty of people, very intelligent people, have poor speech for all sorts of reasons. Shaun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Beth A Epstein Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP and Intelligence Date: 23 Jan 2000 11:50:28 -0600 Shaun Hately wrote: > Let's look at the examples. Stephen didn't do well at school - well, that's > actually quite common among highly intelligent kids and teens - it's > extremely common, in fact - they have the highest level of underachievement > in school of just about any group. Usually because they're bored stiff. > and Liz, remember, is still in training in The Blue and The Green. And judging Stephen solely by art class and his records, not always the best measures. > I don't think there's any reason to > think Hsui Tai isn't - she has poor English skills but that's an entirely > different matter. She's around a bunch of telepaths and can interpret their brain wave patterns. Makes it difficult for the rest of us. They need to make her read more in English. (Ooh, fanfic...) >We have few signs that she is intelligent - but there are > a couple of pointers - in Hitler's Last Secret, she discusses the idea of a > world inhabited by children and her belief it would be a much nicer place > than our own. In The Medusa Strain, she shows a deal of common sense talking > to Andrew. Hsui Tai and Andrew were in The Medusa Strain? Is this time travel fanfic? Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michele Bumbarger" Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP and Intelligence Date: 23 Jan 2000 12:59:27 -0500 > > Let's look at the examples. Stephen didn't do well at school - well, that's > > actually quite common among highly intelligent kids and teens - it's > > extremely common, in fact - they have the highest level of underachievement > > in school of just about any group. > Usually because they're bored stiff. I'll agree with this assessment. My grades started slipping when I was younger because I was bored and distracted. They came back up when I was transferred into advanced classes that actually challenged me. > > I don't think there's any reason to > > think Hsui Tai isn't - she has poor English skills but that's an entirely > > different matter. I've spent a lot of time around exchange/international/visa students during my university time, and one thing that I've learned is that their poor English skills mean absolutely nada as far as judging their intelligence. The ones I was friends with were very intelligent and very quick; however, my Swedish roommate and one of the Japanese girls pointed out to me that many times, their exposure to English is only through texts, and lecture so while they may have mastered the reading and listening skills, working backwards with conversation is still difficult. (I can also attest to this from experience because I read and write Spanish quite well, but have the conversation skills of a rock). My two cents. Going back to hiding and lurking again. > She's around a bunch of telepaths and can interpret their brain wave > patterns. Makes it difficult for the rest of us. They need to make her > read more in English. (Ooh, fanfic...) So, who's going to write it? > >We have few signs that she is intelligent - but there are > > a couple of pointers - in Hitler's Last Secret, she discusses the idea of a > > world inhabited by children and her belief it would be a much nicer place > > than our own. In The Medusa Strain, she shows a deal of common sense talking > > to Andrew. > Hsui Tai and Andrew were in The Medusa Strain? Is this time travel fanfic? > > Tigger Tigger, be nice. Are you back on the homemade chocolate chip cookies again? :-) Michele ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP and Intelligence Date: 23 Jan 2000 13:20:06 EST It's not Hsue Tai's english--she doesn't seem to understand what is going on no matter what! Also if she is so skilled at mind reading, why can't she understand the thoughts behind things? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Cobalt Blue" Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP and Intelligence Date: 23 Jan 2000 11:39:26 PST >Are all TPs above 'average' (For saps, perhaps?) intelligence or are >there >/ will there be in the future people with TP powers but limited > >intelligence? I suppose it could happen. It depends upon what you mean by intelligence. If you mean intelligence as in how much they know, then it's possibly that if a TP were raised in a very ignorant environment that they would come across as being unintelligent. However, intelligence, in the sense of innate learning ability, would come along with TP powers, I think. The TP are the next step in human evolution. Physically, they're just as much Homo Sapien as the next guy, the evolutionary miracle is mental. I think this means intelligence and special powers. Just look at the intelligence they must possess in order to do things like jaunting and telekinesis. >What about people with learning difficulties / mental disabilities >and TP >powers? I don't think a TP would have mental disabilities, but I do think they might possess something like mild dyslexia, at the most, though. It does require a bit of keen intelligence to use telekinesis, to use telepathy, and to jaunt. My two cents Megan **** "Snorkel for Mr. Grainger!" -Mr. Humphreys "Are You Being Served" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP and Intelligence Date: 24 Jan 2000 07:47:04 +1100 >>We have few signs that she is intelligent - but there are >> a couple of pointers - in Hitler's Last Secret, she discusses the idea of a >> world inhabited by children and her belief it would be a much nicer place >> than our own. In The Medusa Strain, she shows a deal of common sense talking >> to Andrew. >Hsui Tai and Andrew were in The Medusa Strain? Is this time travel fanfic? > Well, there was a lot of time travel in that one... Nope, it's me getting my Greek myths confused. Try Achille's Heel. Shaun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: TP and Intelligence Date: 24 Jan 2000 10:46:46 +1100 > From: CMento6653@aol.com [mailto:CMento6653@aol.com] > > It's not Hsue Tai's english--she doesn't seem to understand > what is going on > no matter what! Also if she is so skilled at mind reading, > why can't she > understand the thoughts behind things? The thing is - I can't see either of these problems - she seems perfectly aware of what is going on to me, and she seems to understand the thoughts. I'm not sure where you are seeing her not doing so. If I knew that, I might see your point. Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: TP and Intelligence Date: 24 Jan 2000 14:44:32 +1100 > From: Cobalt Blue [mailto:frostjaunt@hotmail.com] > I suppose it could happen. It depends upon what you mean by > intelligence. If you mean intelligence as in how much they > know, then it's > possibly that if a TP were raised in a very ignorant > environment that they > would come across as being unintelligent. However, > intelligence, in the > sense of innate learning ability, would come along with TP > powers, I think. Of those two, I'd definitely say the second is closer to a definition of intelligence. Knowledge has very little to do with intelligence - except that the more intelligent a person is the easier it is acquire knowledge if the opportunity is available. > The TP are the next step in human evolution. Physically, > they're just > as much Homo Sapien as the next guy, the evolutionary miracle > is mental. I > think this means intelligence and special powers. Just look at the > intelligence they must possess in order to do things like > jaunting and > telekinesis. I'm not sure we can say that the TP don't have physical differences from Homo sapien - we've seen no real sign they are physically different but that doesn't mean that they aren't. The signs might just be too subtle for us to see. If you walked past a Neandertal in the street, there's a good chance you wouldn't notice anything different about him at all. On close examination, someone with training could probably tell, though. > I don't think a TP would have mental disabilities, but > I do think they > might possess something like mild dyslexia, at the most, > though. It does > require a bit of keen intelligence to use telekinesis, to use > telepathy, and > to jaunt. I'm not sure this is true. I see no sign that intelligence is required to use any of the TP faculties. Telepathy may be simply a form of communication much like speech - and plenty of people with mental disabilities still have speech. It depends on the degree, and other factors. Telekinesis, again, may require no more intelligence than manipulating something with your hands (in fact, in the new series, don't we see Ami having a 'poltergeist attack' where she moves things apparently without any concious thought at all? I can never 100% be sure if I saw new series things on TV or in my head). Teleportation - well, this one might require some intelligence certainly. If they do it wrong, we know they can wind up trapped in hyperspace, so there is some learning involved. The thing is - many things involve intelligence in an instinctual way - the act of catching a ball requires knowledge of mechanics, physics, polynomials, calculus, etc - at least it does if we try to program a computer to do it (unless Tony knows something I don't). We *somehow* manage to do all those calculations in an instant - ones that most of us would never manage on paper in hours. Perhaps jaunting, etc, could be similar - immensely complex theoretically but practically, not at all difficult because of something wired into our brain. There's actually some evidence now that some aspects of high intelligence, in some cases, can be caused by certain types of brain damage - damage that shuts off an area that blocks some higher function in another. I remain to be convinced of this - but if it is so, it could well be argued that TP abilities arise as a *failure* of part of the brain, rather than as an enhancement. Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Matott" Subject: RE: TPDIS: TP and Intelligence Date: 23 Jan 2000 22:09:54 PST <> > > I don't think a TP would have mental disabilities, but > > I do think they > > might possess something like mild dyslexia, at the most, > > though. It does > > require a bit of keen intelligence to use telekinesis, to use > > telepathy, and > > to jaunt. > >I'm not sure this is true. I see no sign that intelligence is required to >use any of the TP faculties. I really have to agree with Shaun on this. Some pretty amazing mental feats have been demonstrated by people who could barely read. (And please remember that not all idiot savants are mentally handicapped. There are people out there with unusual calculation/memory abilities - photographic memory, rapid calculation, etc. who are mentally normal but not of above-average intelligence. I knew a guy who could tell you the capital of every country in the world but couldn't solve what I thought of as a simple trigonometry problem) > >Telepathy may be simply a form of communication much like speech - and >plenty of people with mental disabilities still have speech. It depends on >the degree, and other factors. Intelligence definitely doesn't always correlate with ability to communicate. I've met some uttterly brilliant people who were extremely inarticulate. > >Telekinesis, again, may require no more intelligence than manipulating >something with your hands (in fact, in the new series, don't we see Ami >having a 'poltergeist attack' where she moves things apparently without any >concious thought at all? I can never 100% be sure if I saw new series >things >on TV or in my head). You didn't imagine that one. It was when she teleported Adam and Megabyte out of danger in Monsoon Man. > >Teleportation - well, this one might require some intelligence certainly. >If >they do it wrong, we know they can wind up trapped in hyperspace, so there >is some learning involved. > >The thing is - many things involve intelligence in an instinctual way - the >act of catching a ball requires knowledge of mechanics, physics, >polynomials, calculus, etc - at least it does if we try to program a >computer to do it (unless Tony knows something I don't). We *somehow* >manage >to do all those calculations in an instant - ones that most of us would >never manage on paper in hours. Perhaps jaunting, etc, could be similar - >immensely complex theoretically but practically, not at all difficult >because of something wired into our brain. Heh, I can relate to this personally. I was born with a severe astigmatism and a lazy eye. Consequently I didn't develop normal binocular vision. I relied heavily on my right eye to compensate for my bad left eye. I didn't get vision correction until I was 5 . By that time I assume my method of interpreting visual cues was pretty much established. That and the fact that glasses do not give peripheral vision meant that I had/have virtually no depth perception. How does this relate? Getting there. The only way I can play any sport with a ball is to not lose sight of the ball for an instant. Otherwise I can't judge where it's going. Happens with baseball, football, whatever. I used to figure out where fly balls were going to land by calculating the arc in my head. If I lost sight of it, I couldn't figure out where it would land. I doubt I could lay out in math terms how to do it, but with a steady visual cue I could figure it out. Most people with the added use of depth perception don't even need to follow a complete arc. They can do it with a minimum change in perspective. Another example - judging the rate of movement of two or more moving objects. Most of us do it on a daily basis - when crossing the street. You're doing differential calculations in your head when you judge the speed of two oncoming cars going in opposite directions while waiting for an oppurtunity to cross. You even learn to judge your own speed and rate of acceleration required very quickly. When I used to run , I learned how to judge my own speed, another runner's speed, and anticipate how much of a change would be required to overtake the other runner and how much distance it would take. These seem like simple things, but if you try to work out the math, it starts to get a bit trickier. But, just like Shaun was saying. None of those things require anything more than a moderate amount of intelligence. Or more appropriately, human intelligence is pretty high compared to many other animals. So much so, that we make up complex things to explain simple things. :-) later mike ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Edmonds Subject: RE: TPDIS: TP and Intelligence Date: 24 Jan 2000 13:06:26 -0700 On Mon, 24 Jan 2000, Hately, Shaun wrote: > The thing is - many things involve intelligence in an instinctual way - the > act of catching a ball requires knowledge of mechanics, physics, > polynomials, calculus, etc - at least it does if we try to program a > computer to do it (unless Tony knows something I don't). We *somehow* manage > to do all those calculations in an instant - ones that most of us would > never manage on paper in hours. Perhaps jaunting, etc, could be similar - > immensely complex theoretically but practically, not at all difficult > because of something wired into our brain. I agree that the human body/brain is amazing but I really don't think that when one is catching a ball that the brain is running calculations of mechanics and physics etc. Rather it uses experience and feedback to monitor and catch the ball - not that this is any less impressive than what you have suggested by the way. As an aside I had some amazing luck on the weekend. I walked into a second bookshop and found 4 mint condition (didn't look like they had ever been read) tomorrow people novelisations for 1$NZ apiece. Boy was I happy for the rest of the weekend. Michael ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP and Intelligence Date: 25 Jan 2000 07:13:17 +1100 >On Mon, 24 Jan 2000, Hately, Shaun wrote: > >As an aside I had some amazing luck on the weekend. I walked into a second >bookshop and found 4 mint condition (didn't look like they had ever been >read) tomorrow people novelisations for 1$NZ apiece. Boy was I happy for >the rest of the weekend. Definition of happiness: doing the above Definition of unhappiness: only having three dollars. Shaun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ana Isabel Sacristan Subject: TPDIS: Physical differences of the TP Date: 24 Jan 2000 14:31:31 -0600 Shaun wrote: >I'm not sure we can say that the TP don't have physical differences from >Homo sapien - we've seen no real sign they are physically different but that >doesn't mean that they aren't. The signs might just be too subtle for us to >see. This relates to an issue I have been meaning to post on the list for a while (apologies if it has already been discussed during one of my absences from the list): How would the TP *physically* evolve? Their powers allow them to do things without physical effort: no need to walk anywhere, just jaunt. No need to carry anything to move it, just use TK. And no need even to use the mouth and vocal cords to speak and communicate (at least between them). So the question is: what happens to the body? does it evolve to have a very weak body, etc. and does the brain grow larger? Food for thought. Ana ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AgentRacerX@cs.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Physical differences of the TP Date: 24 Jan 2000 16:38:41 EST In a message dated 1/24/00 4:22:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, asacrist@mail.cinvestav.mx writes: > How would the TP *physically* evolve? Their powers allow them to do things > without physical effort: no need to walk anywhere, just jaunt. No need to > carry anything to move it, just use TK. And no need even to use the mouth > and vocal cords to speak and communicate (at least between them). So the > question is: what happens to the body? does it evolve to have a very weak > body, etc. and does the brain grow larger? Well, evolution occurs as a result of some form of selection, and there'd be no reason to select against individuals who are genetically disposed toward physical weakness. There's certainly the possibility of TPs becoming weak through lack of exercise (though based on the personalty traits we've seen so far among the TP I would doubt it), but they would still have the ability to get as strong as anyone else through working out. As far as brain size, something like that would probably happen even slower than a physical change, although I could be wrong. Even people who are clasified as geniuses don't have larger brains than anyone else, except for extremely isolated cases (I think they found out that certain parts of Einstein's brain are larger than average, though I could be wrong). There's also the fact that, as we've been discussing with the intelligence issue, anyone can be a TP. Another interesting bit to think about on the same subject is the fact that we only use something like 1/8 of our brains. No one's quite sure what all the other junk is for, but it's often been used in various sci-fi stuff that it's true purpose is somehow associated w/ psychic phenomena. I suspect that this would be true of the TP; that whatever genes make them TP don't actually give them the abilities, but rather allow certain areas of their brains to function. So, now that I've digressed rather amazingly , I don't think either of those things would be likely to happen. -Nicole ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AgentRacerX@cs.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Physical differences of the TP Date: 24 Jan 2000 17:39:18 EST In a message dated 1/24/00 4:39:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, AgentRacerX@cs.com writes: > Well, evolution occurs as a result of some form of selection, and there'd be > no reason to select against individuals who are genetically disposed toward > physical weakness. Yeah, well that was a brilliant comment on my part. What I meant to say was that there'd be no reason to select *for* individuals who are genetically disposed toward physical weakness. Go me. -Nicole ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vivian Arney Subject: RE: TPDIS: TP and Intelligence Date: 24 Jan 2000 14:48:21 -0800 (PST) I don't think breaking out is an instant IQ booster. John seems smart, because he IS smart. If Lefty, who was a few dilithium crystals short of a warp core, broke out he'd still be mssing those crystals. Mike is pretty street smart, but I can't imagine him doing quantum mechanics. People learn at different rates and some people are better at Math than English and others are better at theoretical topics while others need concrete images. IMHO viv Tia's Pals' Press c/o Vivian Arney P.O. Box 4187 Austin, Tx 78765-4187 We've been selling Fanfiction, memorabilia and books for twelve years. SASE for more info. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: Physical differences of the TP Date: 25 Jan 2000 09:59:44 +1100 > From: AgentRacerX@cs.com [mailto:AgentRacerX@cs.com] > > Well, evolution occurs as a result of some form of selection, > and there'd be > no reason to select against individuals who are genetically > disposed toward > physical weakness. There's certainly the possibility of TPs > becoming weak > through lack of exercise (though based on the personalty > traits we've seen so > far among the TP I would doubt it), but they would still have > the ability to > get as strong as anyone else through working out. I'd agree - the thing is, there only has to be a *slight* advantage in something for it to be 'selected' over time. I saw a TV program on human evolution recently that suggested Homo sapiens sapiens (modern man) only had a 1-2% 'advantage' over Homo sapiens neandertalis (the Neandertals) and that tiny advantage was enough that over time (thousands of years) anatomically modern man survived while Neandertals became extinct. Even though physical prowess would probably be less significant to TP evolution than it has been to modern man, there would still be some slight advantage in it - enough that I think great changes would be unlikely except over a truly massive timeframe. > As far as brain size, something like that would probably > happen even slower > than a physical change, although I could be wrong. Even > people who are > clasified as geniuses don't have larger brains than anyone > else, except for > extremely isolated cases (I think they found out that certain > parts of > Einstein's brain are larger than average, though I could be > wrong). There's > also the fact that, as we've been discussing with the > intelligence issue, > anyone can be a TP. Einstein's brain was pretty normal - it did contain some slight differences from the norm, but even those are relatively common. Although, in actual fact, brain size and intelligence do appear to have some link - a positive correlation between brain size and IQ has been found. It's slight and it's not universal, but there does seem to be some relationship - and over time, that may become more pronounced if high intelligence becomes evolutionarily important. Einstein isn't a good example in many ways - because he wasn't, biologically, a particularly intelligent man. His IQ has been estimated at around 130 on many occasions (this judegment isn't universal - some estimates have put it much higher) - which is high but there are 120,000,000 people at that level on the planet. His genius appears to have been a combination of factors - a relatively high 'natural' g factor (general intelligence), coupled with incredible perseverance - he worked on Relativity for over twenty years - coupled with a fair amount of luck. It does come down to how you define intelligence - but according to the traditional definition of intelligence used by most psychologists, Einstein wasn't that unusual - he directed what he had into a particular field, and he worked very hard. His raw biologically based intelligence, though, was not that unusual (to try and make it clearer - about ten years passed between his two Relativity theories - it could have been done in days by people such as Von Neuman (whom Einstein described as 'the only genius I ever knew'.) > Another interesting bit to think about on the same subject is > the fact that > we only use something like 1/8 of our brains. No one's quite > sure what all > the other junk is for, but it's often been used in various > sci-fi stuff that > it's true purpose is somehow associated w/ psychic phenomena. > I suspect that > this would be true of the TP; that whatever genes make them > TP don't actually > give them the abilities, but rather allow certain areas of > their brains to > function. One-eighth? That's even higher than most estimates I've seen (around 4-5%). Again, relating this to Einstein, he may have used more than other people and that may have compensated for his relatively (no pun intended) low IQ. Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. 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An example My roommate teaches a student from China. He'd never heard of Dr. Seuss or Sesame Street. We had great fun teaching him and buying Dr. Seuss books for his newborn - reading to the baby will help his English Viv Tia's Pals' Press c/o Vivian Arney P.O. Box 4187 Austin, Tx 78765-4187 We've been selling Fanfiction, memorabilia and books for twelve years. SASE for more info. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vivian Arney Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP and Intelligence Date: 24 Jan 2000 15:55:07 -0800 (PST) > > > >What about people with learning difficulties / mental disabilities >and TP > >powers? > > I don't think a TP would have mental disabilities, but I do think they > might possess something like mild dyslexia, at the most, though. It does > require a bit of keen intelligence to use telekinesis, to use telepathy, and > to jaunt. I don't think the TP gene would necessarily wipe out all mental/learning problems. Besides, dyslexia has nothing to do with intelligence. One of the smartest ladies I know is dyslexic and my brother and father both have what they call "language learning disability" doesn't mean they're not intelligent only that they have to learn things a different way. I don't see it stopping a Down Syndrome TP from developing - or an Idiot Savant TP, a deaf TP, blind TP, etc. viv Tia's Pals' Press c/o Vivian Arney P.O. Box 4187 Austin, Tx 78765-4187 We've been selling Fanfiction, memorabilia and books for twelve years. SASE for more info. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Nolan Subject: Re: TPDIS: Physical differences of the TP Date: 25 Jan 2000 08:59:48 +1100 Hello Ana, I would think that they would still remain the same at the very least. I rememeber they had limits to there powers, and also had to remain physical active to be able to function. They needed rest, sleep, food, etc. SO I would think that they wouldnt be able to do things fully telephathicly. Didnt they need the special belts to ampify there powers anyway. still thinking on this, tony At 02:31 PM 1/24/00 -0600, you wrote: >Shaun wrote: > >>I'm not sure we can say that the TP don't have physical differences from >>Homo sapien - we've seen no real sign they are physically different but that >>doesn't mean that they aren't. The signs might just be too subtle for us to >>see. > > >This relates to an issue I have been meaning to post on the list for a >while (apologies if it has already been discussed during one of my absences >from the list): >How would the TP *physically* evolve? Their powers allow them to do things >without physical effort: no need to walk anywhere, just jaunt. No need to >carry anything to move it, just use TK. And no need even to use the mouth >and vocal cords to speak and communicate (at least between them). So the >question is: what happens to the body? does it evolve to have a very weak >body, etc. and does the brain grow larger? >Food for thought. > >Ana > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Nolan Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP and Intelligence Date: 25 Jan 2000 07:23:07 +1100 Hello, If people are interested in some real worl experiences and the philosophy about the basic telephay issues, then please look into the eastern views on KYTHING. Its about the links between people, and the way they can feel others emotions over great distances. Its not PSI, but it would make some great side lines for Fan Fiction. I think its the closest I have seen of real happenings to the TP. Regards Tony At 07:13 AM 1/25/00 +1100, you wrote: >From: Michael Edmonds > > >>On Mon, 24 Jan 2000, Hately, Shaun wrote: >> >>As an aside I had some amazing luck on the weekend. I walked into a second >>bookshop and found 4 mint condition (didn't look like they had ever been >>read) tomorrow people novelisations for 1$NZ apiece. Boy was I happy for >>the rest of the weekend. > > >Definition of happiness: doing the above >Definition of unhappiness: only having three dollars. > >Shaun > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ana Isabel Sacristan Subject: RE: TPDIS: Physical differences of the TP Date: 24 Jan 2000 18:34:03 -0600 I was thinking of how the TP would evolve over thousands (millions) of years. I.e. what would the next stage(s) of evolution be like in terms of physical differences? I am sure there would be changes. (To those who used Einstein as an example, he was still a Homo Sapiens, so there was no reason why there would be any notable physical differences from other people). Ana ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Matott" Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP and Intelligence Date: 24 Jan 2000 21:18:35 PST >If people are interested in some real worl experiences and the philosophy >about the basic telephay issues, then please look into the eastern views on >KYTHING. Isn't that from the Madeline L'Engle books? I thought she made up the word. I've never run across it in any eastern philosophies or mysticism I've looked into. Where does it come from? > >Its about the links between people, and the way they can feel others >emotions over great distances. > >Its not PSI, but it would make some great side lines for Fan Fiction. > >I think its the closest I have seen of real happenings to the TP. > hmm, don't suppose anyone would take my word on having had real-life experiences with telepathy? :-) mike - being mysterious and not going into details ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Nolan Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP and Intelligence Date: 25 Jan 2000 20:03:12 +1100 Kything - the art of spiritual presence. Savary and Berne, Paulist Press 1988 this is an religious style book, written in the western phase I was told by my philoshopy teacher that it was a eastern thing, but its first mentioned in the scotish dictonary in 1856. its ment to mean common thinking regards tony At 09:18 PM 1/24/00 PST, you wrote: > >>If people are interested in some real worl experiences and the philosophy >>about the basic telephay issues, then please look into the eastern views on >>KYTHING. > >Isn't that from the Madeline L'Engle books? "A Wind in the Door" and "A Swiftly Turning Planet."> > >I thought she made up the word. I've never run across it in any eastern >philosophies or mysticism I've looked into. Where does it come from? > >> >>Its about the links between people, and the way they can feel others >>emotions over great distances. >> >>Its not PSI, but it would make some great side lines for Fan Fiction. >> >>I think its the closest I have seen of real happenings to the TP. >> > >hmm, don't suppose anyone would take my word on having had real-life >experiences with telepathy? :-) > >mike >- being mysterious and not going into details >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Amy Bridger Subject: RE: TPDIS: TP and Intelligence Date: 25 Jan 2000 19:29:54 +1000 At 01:06 :-) 24/01/00 -0700, you wrote: >As an aside I had some amazing luck on the weekend. I walked into a second >bookshop and found 4 mint condition (didn't look like they had ever been >read) tomorrow people novelisations for 1$NZ apiece. Boy was I happy for >the rest of the weekend. Maybe you detected the books using ESP... you could be breaking out! Do you sense anywhere to get TP books in Brisbane? -- Amy Bridger (ami@full-moon.com) I am in Austraylia. My workplace is moving in the same building as my other job. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Matott" Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP and Intelligence Date: 25 Jan 2000 08:49:06 PST > >Kything - the art of spiritual presence. > >Savary and Berne, Paulist Press 1988 > >this is an religious style book, written in the western phase > >I was told by my philoshopy teacher that it was a eastern thing, but its >first mentioned in the scotish dictonary in 1856. > >its ment to mean common thinking > The word in the Scottish dictionary means "good hearted". It's kind of understandable for L'Engle to use Scotch-Irish terms in her work as there is a strong Celtic background to the the Wrinkle-trilogy, particularly the third book "A Swiftly Turning Planet". I can find no reference to kything other than this and a type of Scottish and Irish flute, prior to L'Engle's book. One source credited her with adapting the term to mean 'sharing an emotional connection similar to telepathy'. The other references I've found to it concern Sufi and Gnostic traditions concerning a symbol called the Enneagram (a nine-pointed figure), and an adaptation of that symbol to the practice of 'kything' in group (Christian) prayer. This is well after L'Engle's book came out. And one reference to sending healing energy as 'kything', which my circle would just call a healing spell, but hey. I am curious to know which "eastern" philosophy this arose out of. Sufiism is the closest I've been able to find any connection to and that is a post-L'Engle New Age practice derided by Christian fundamentalists. (And of course, Sufis are mid-Eastern, but why quibble.) So there's nothing to prove this is an "eastern" philosophy - espeically as it seems to arise from a Celtic word. I think this may be a case of pop-culture (fiction) integrating itself into reality. Something that sounds like an ages-old practice actually being the work of a very talented children's writer. There was for a time an abundance of people promoting the concept of 'grokking' - quite similar to kything, but using a "Martian" word created by Robert Heinlein. this has gone seriously off-topic, but I wanted to share what I found and see if anyone had any further info. I wonder if anything from the shows has worked its way into other media?