From: Wendy Kelley Subject: Re: TPDIS: preferences Date: 01 May 2000 09:12:54 -0500 > >I'm amazed you remembered that Wendy, I occassionally have the commerical for it posted on the Watchdog Satellite. There's nothing amazing about my memory here ;) ... Wendy ladyslvr@xmission.com http://www.xmission.com/~ladyslvr/ Listowner: Tomorrow People fiction and discussion lists ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David_M_Yates" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Gifted children & fans of the TP Date: 01 May 2000 15:21:28 +0100 >Jackie gave the following summary of those results: > >Q7. Popular at school? >20 said no >one said yes >one not sure > >Q8. Introvert v Extrovert? >16 of us are introverts >2 are extroverts >for 6 people it depends upon the situation. > >Q9. Occupation? >9 are students >11 are in science and technology (this includes the type of student >courses mentioned) >4 are in the arts (also includes students) >3 other > >Q10. Intelligence? >10 think they are higher than average >1 doesn't know I remember that survey, as the list is much bigger now than it was back then, is it worth repeating it? David ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David_M_Yates" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Getting Together ? Date: 01 May 2000 15:18:29 +0100 >Hey All > >Just in Reply to this very interesting suggestion ;) > >Was there not at some point an IRC channel for TP? >If there was (is), does anybody know where it is? >And if it's visited on a regular basis? I've often wondered what happened to it. It seemed to vanish last year when I was out of the country. >As for getting together.. my suggestion would be to arrange a weekly or >fortnightly time for people to gather together.. preferably in the IRC >channel, because IMO that is the best medium for a good 'quick' >discussion :) It seems like a great idea to me. I don't know what time we'd have to run it at. As we seem spread all over the world, time differences would be a problem. But, hey! Let's give it a go! David. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David_M_Yates" Subject: Re: TPDIS: 11 reasons why I like the new series Date: 01 May 2000 15:09:43 +0100 : >>If you take your class from your father's occupation then yes John is >>probably not middle class, but I always got the feeling that he was >>brought up in a middle class area or that his parents thought of >>themselves as more. Does this make sense? > >It makes sense to me, It makes a great deal of sense to me as well. The Sixties and Seventies were the first decades where people could begin to break down the previously ridgid class/social barriers. although I'd have thought a policeman would count at >least as lower middle class by reason of steady income and training :) Do we have any idea as to what rank John's Dad has/had in the Police Force?? > thirty or so years ago there was a division in the names people >gave their children - I've forgotten most of the examples, but names like >Tracy and Sharon were generally given by "lower" classes, whereas the >"upper" classes used Emma and Chloe, and there was a subtle kind of >prejudice against Tracy, Sharon, et al. because their names marked them as >"lower" even though their accents and educations might not, Very true! Especially when "Birds of a Feather" came out in the early Nineties!! I don't recall if the article mentioned any boys names having >the same difference. Yes, "Darren and Dean" as opposed to "Oliver and Sebastian" >It is also possible that at a certain age, John saw what his parents were >and wanted more for himself, and made it happen by reading and studying on >his own time, and by earning scholarships, etc. This would lend itself to >some nicely conflicted stories about John's dad not understanding why his >boy didn't want the same things he wanted. Perhaps John's rather overbearing attitude towards the younger TP's comes from this conflict with his own Father?? David. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David_M_Yates" Subject: Re: TPDIS: FYI: TCTP stories posting Date: 01 May 2000 15:14:34 +0100 -----Original Message----- >I'm reading! Sorry I haven't been able to send feedback, but I've got a lot >of balls in the air right now (finals, work, etc). I do enjoy the >storylines, and hope to see them continue. > I'm reading them too. I find the whole new "Landscape" a bit bewildering at times, but I'm enjoying them greatly. Thanks for making the effort. David ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jackie Clark Subject: Re: TPDIS: Getting Together ? Date: 01 May 2000 18:25:48 +0100 Simon Fraser wrote: > > Hey All > > Just in Reply to this very interesting suggestion ;) > > Was there not at some point an IRC channel for TP? > If there was (is), does anybody know where it is? > And if it's visited on a regular basis? > > As for getting together.. my suggestion would be to arrange a weekly or > fortnightly time for people to gather together.. preferably in the IRC > channel, because IMO that is the best medium for a good 'quick' > discussion :) > > Anybody else got any opinions / ideas?? :) > > Cheers > > -- > Simon Fraser I noticed that Ariana answered saying that we often meet on mIRC in #Tomorrow People. The time she mentioned equates to about 1.30am for us Brits. I try to get up and attend as often as possible. It is really good fun. Now I have had an idea and I know Carolyn can confirm that I speak the truth. I have asked Richard Lensburg to ask PVC to join us all in chat one night. I suspect that on that occasion it would have to take place a little earlier. He has promised to ask him when he returns from Italy in a few months. What I need to know is how many people would guarantee being there. I cannot promise that he'll agree to the suggestion but if I was to say that a good crowd would be there he's the type to enjoy the attention and may agree. The session would have to be monitored by the channel ops and everyone could be given the opportunity to ask him questions. I was also hoping that if I could get a web cam set up you could see him as well. But this would mean that he'd have to come to my place to do it... what a shame (Jackie grins) and my husband would have to agree. So who's interested. I know that I've floated this type of idea before and cannot guarantee to get it sorted out but promise to nag Richard into asking him :) Jackie -- http://www.effdee.demon.co.uk/manyarner/Homepg2000.html "May your senses be enlightened and your dreams be fulfilled." Traditional Manyarnern Greeting ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wendy Kelley Subject: TPDIS: surveys Date: 01 May 2000 11:14:37 -0500 > >I remember that survey, as the list is much bigger now than it was back >then, is it worth repeating it? Actually, the list isn't significantly bigger. TPDIS has had a very stable population since it's inception, with the vast majority of current members having joined within its first year. Both lists have been hovering around a 100 person membership for the last few years. However, of those 100, only about 10-15% are active posters, which explains the small number of answers on the survey. Now, that said, I don't see any problem with repeating the survey. In the history of this list, we've had several reoccuring threads -- none of which have reoccured in a long time. ... Wendy ladyslvr@xmission.com http://www.xmission.com/~ladyslvr/ Listowner: Tomorrow People fiction and discussion lists ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Latimer84@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: surveys Date: 01 May 2000 14:47:57 EDT In a message dated 5/1/2000 2:06:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ladyslvr@xmission.com writes: > Now, that said, I don't see any problem with repeating the survey. In > the history of this list, we've had several reoccuring threads -- none of > which have reoccured in a long time. Well, now you've gone and done it! I just have to ask a question that I'm sure has been beaten to death, but it's so fun to hear the answers! Anyway, here it is: What, in your opinion, was the worst thing that the TP writers did, in either series? (I'm expecting a lot of responses saying simply "A Man for Emily!" =) -Geoff "Children should always listen to their elders, but not necessarily do what they say." --Linus Pauling ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David_M_Yates" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Throw the Dog a Bone Date: 01 May 2000 21:47:39 +0100 > > 1) Is a TP able to committ suicide? Because we know TP can't kill -- >other people, but could they kill themselves? I don't think so. At least not easily. Normal (Saps) find it very hard to commit suicide unless, as the law says, "The balance of their mind has been affected." I would imagine that the TP's with their advanced telepathic natures AND the Prime Barrier, would have to be EXTREMELY unbalanced, or under some sort of external Mind Control. (Ami in Ramases?) Even then it would be difficult. > > 2) Would a TP suicide be different from a "normal" TP death? Yes, Absolutely. > 3) How violent could a TP get? I ask this because we examples of minor >violence (eg - slapping), so could a TP get into a schoolyard fight? I think they could get into a "Mock-fight" eg Megabyte and Kevin with the Power-Soakers in The Origin Story, or Adam and Megabyte having a ??Cushion fight?? at the start of Living Stones.(Its been a few years since I saw that one.) On a more serious level; there is the example of Stephen having a Sword Fight in The Doomsday men. I also remember TIM saying in that same story that Stephen had been a Schoolboy fencing champion for his school. I think that the Prime Barrier prohibits killing. Anythind short of that IMHO, would depend on the character and temperment of the TP concerned. Hope this helps. David. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Nolan Subject: Re: TPDIS: Throw the Dog a Bone Date: 02 May 2000 07:29:13 +1000 G'Day, In Anne Macraffey's series of books on Pern, the dragons have a telepathic relationship with their riders. When one of their number sucide the whole dragon community knows, and morns the event, with a soul piecing cry. On a side note, We said that TP is like a Gifted Person. The sucide rate amongst gifted people is quite high for there number in the population, and the majority of sucides are male, cause females hardly ever effective in committing sucide. So, im sure that TP males should be able to sucide, but they might not have the drive. cheers tony At 09:47 PM 5/1/00 +0100, you wrote: > > > > >> >> 1) Is a TP able to committ suicide? Because we know TP can't kill -- >>other people, but could they kill themselves? > >I don't think so. At least not easily. Normal (Saps) find it very hard to >commit suicide unless, as the law says, "The balance of their mind has been >affected." I would imagine that the TP's with their advanced telepathic >natures AND the Prime Barrier, would have to be EXTREMELY unbalanced, or >under some sort of external Mind Control. (Ami in Ramases?) Even then it >would be difficult. > >> >> 2) Would a TP suicide be different from a "normal" TP death? > >Yes, Absolutely. > > > 3) How violent could a TP get? I ask this because we examples of minor >>violence (eg - slapping), so could a TP get into a schoolyard fight? > >I think they could get into a "Mock-fight" eg Megabyte and Kevin with the >Power-Soakers in The Origin Story, >or Adam and Megabyte having a ??Cushion fight?? at the start of Living >Stones.(Its been a few years since I saw that one.) > >On a more serious level; there is the example of Stephen having a Sword >Fight in The Doomsday men. I also remember TIM saying in that same story >that Stephen had been a Schoolboy fencing champion for his school. > >I think that the Prime Barrier prohibits killing. Anythind short of that >IMHO, would depend on the character and temperment of the TP concerned. > >Hope this helps. > >David. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ruby Red Subject: Re: TPDIS: surveys Date: 02 May 2000 07:48:42 +1000 On Mon, May 01, 2000 at 02:47:57PM -0400, Latimer84@aol.com wrote: > What, in your opinion, was the worst thing that the TP writers did, in either > series? > (I'm expecting a lot of responses saying simply "A Man for Emily!" =) Um, "A Man For Emily"? (-8 New series... Colonel Cobb. KJA -- Ruby Red http://www.foobox.net/~kat http://www.crosswinds.net/~rubykat "Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas any more." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Trina L. Short" Subject: Re: TPDIS: surveys Date: 01 May 2000 18:30:33 -0400 Ruby Red wrote: >=20 > On Mon, May 01, 2000 at 02:47:57PM -0400, Latimer84@aol.com wrote: > > What, in your opinion, was the worst thing that the TP writers did, i= n either > > series? > > (I'm expecting a lot of responses saying simply "A Man for Emily!" =3D= ) >=20 > Um, "A Man For Emily"? (-8 I at least get a kick out of watching Man for Emily. The eps that pain me are Thargon Menace and Hitler's Last Secret. (And I adore Olu Jacobs.) -- trinalin =A92000 ACME Page Fillers, Inc. http://www.pagefillers.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Latimer84@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: surveys Date: 01 May 2000 18:55:27 EDT In a message dated 00-05-01 18:31:04 EDT, you write: > I at least get a kick out of watching Man for Emily. The eps that pain > me are Thargon Menace and Hitler's Last Secret. (And I adore Olu > Jacobs.) What? I liked Hitler's Last Secret! Sure, it was a bit... unrealistic, but it was far, *far* better than the Thargon Menace, who's only good point was the hilarious costumes that Mike and Hsui Tai wore ;) -Geoff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: TPDIS: John's dad in the war? Date: 01 May 2000 20:26:11 EDT I thought in one of the novels, John (and it may be in the TV show Hitler's Last SEcret) mentioned that his dad was in the war. Mike's grandfather was too---and this might be in the TV show too or the novel. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: John's dad in the war? Date: 02 May 2000 10:31:15 +1000 > From: CMento6653@aol.com [mailto:CMento6653@aol.com] > > I thought in one of the novels, John (and it may be in the TV > show Hitler's > Last SEcret) mentioned that his dad was in the war. Mike's > grandfather was > too---and this might be in the TV show too or the novel. That's right - it's certainly in the serial - I can't be sure about the novelisation but I think so. Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: surveys Date: 01 May 2000 20:41:07 EDT In a message dated 00-05-01 14:49:26 EDT, you write: << What, in your opinion, was the worst thing that the TP writers did, in either series? >> Lisa, Some of Kevin, the double decker rooftop ride scene the origin story: Gloria, the Master, Galt Culex: the twins, Culex, killing by TPs Monsoon Man: All of it Ramses: the three goofballs not to mention the confusion Tut and his being a TP Jade Ami's mom Lisa's mom not knowing what happened to Jade's dog (whom I liked better than Jade) ignoring all that went before in the OS that old Aunt doing the UNIT bit (and very good at that) Damon being good (in fact, Damon at all) writing Kevin out not using the original Kevin (but not really the writers fault) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: TPDIS: gifted Date: 01 May 2000 20:44:27 EDT In a message dated 00-05-01 17:37:29 EDT, you write: << We said that TP is like a Gifted Person >> Hey, hi. This is another whole debate/dicsussion, one which I ignored but I don't see that TP are or aren't gifted. Stephen wasn't gifted in his class. Liz's teaching, while good, didn't seem gifted; Tyso, Mike and even Andrew didn't seem gifted either, although Mike might have been musically gifted. Carol was gifted with a voice that could pierce but beyond that...Kenny might have been gifted with powers greater than the others but mentally none save John maybe, was gifted in my opinion. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: surveys Date: 01 May 2000 20:45:50 EDT what was the darkest story? Episode? Death on the show? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: gifted Date: 02 May 2000 11:06:48 +1000 > From: CMento6653@aol.com [mailto:CMento6653@aol.com] > > Hey, hi. This is another whole debate/dicsussion, one which I > ignored but I > don't see that TP are or aren't gifted. Stephen wasn't gifted > in his class. > Liz's teaching, while good, didn't seem gifted; Tyso, Mike > and even Andrew > didn't seem gifted either, although Mike might have been > musically gifted. > Carol was gifted with a voice that could pierce but beyond > that...Kenny might > have been gifted with powers greater than the others but > mentally none save > John maybe, was gifted in my opinion. I suspect Tony was referring to emotional similarities, and similarities in experiences and outlook rather than actually suggesting the TP are gifted. But, in fact, I would say that they almost certainly are. Bear in mind I do a great deal of work with gifted children and adolescents, and I read a great deal about them. Tony, though he and I disagree on some finer points in that area, also has a great deal of knowledge about them. That doesn't mean either of us are right - but we do know whereof we speak. First of all, John. His inventions more-or-less prove he is gifted. Virtually all inventors and innovators are - it takes that to step outside the normal box and look for different methods. Stephen - well, in actual fact, the statements we have heard about his schoolwork are quite typical of gifted children 'he's bright but his marks aren't as good as they could be.' Liz's statement that his schoolwork shows no sign of him being a superbeing also fits the 'classic' gifted model. A very high proportion of gifted children do not reflect their abilities in their schoolwork - and teachers are pretty much the least likely group, in general terms, to figure out which child is gifted and which isn't. Actually, it's bad enough that you're better off looking for gifted kids among those teachers claim aren't gifted, than among those they claim are. They have anywhere from a 60%-95% failure rate in identifying these kids. From the novelisations - specifically 'The Visitor' - we have statements that Stephen has also invented many of the items the TP use - which, like John, does suggest high intelligence. We also have statements in there that reveal TP are *incredibly* good mathematicians (their arithmetic may not be too crash hot, though). Liz - well, as for her teaching not seeming that gifted - the only time we see her teach is when she is still a student teacher, who has been left alone in charge of a classroom. She also has the unusual pressures of alien mind influence in her classes. I think it's a bit unfair to consider this a fair test of her teaching skills. From what we do see, I can't see anything wrong with what she does. Mike certainly seems to have musical talent - which does tend to go along with high intellect (although certainly doesn't have to). Most of the others, we simply don't see enough of, to make any actual definitive statements - but from observation, and what we do see, there's nothing to preclude them being intellectually gifted, and personally I think the next stage in human evolution probably should be (-8 Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: gifted Date: 01 May 2000 21:54:57 EDT I tend to dismiss the gifted debate because it makes THE TOMORROW PEOPLE idea that anyone can be a TP void and null. If only gifted people can become TP, than the "anyone can be a TP" goe sout the window and the TP become even more elite than they were before...distancing them from us even more as characters. Tyso, Andrew, Mike, Stephen, Liz, Carol, Kenny, Hsui Tai, and Tricia seem anything but gifted to me. But that's just my opinion. To me, even a dumb bell can become a TP. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Beth A Epstein Subject: Re: TPDIS: gifted Date: 01 May 2000 21:17:35 -0500 "Hately, Shaun" wrote: > We also have statements in there that > reveal TP are *incredibly* good mathematicians (their arithmetic may not be > too crash hot, though). *snorts* Typical math majors. :) (Note to self: spend better part of 12 days in Ithaca in July convincing Maria to get back on this list.) Oh, and even if teachers miss a lot of gifted students, for the record, my fourth grade teacher browbeat the people who chose who went into the gifted program because I and one of my classmates weren't accepted. So they don't *all* fail. Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: gifted Date: 02 May 2000 12:18:09 +1000 > From: Beth A Epstein [mailto:tptigger42@earthlink.net] > > "Hately, Shaun" wrote: > > We also have statements in there that > > reveal TP are *incredibly* good mathematicians (their > arithmetic may not be > > too crash hot, though). > *snorts* Typical math majors. :) > (Note to self: spend better part of 12 days in Ithaca in July > convincing > Maria to get back on this list.) Yes - you must! > Oh, and even if teachers miss a lot of gifted students, for > the record, > my fourth grade teacher browbeat the people who chose who > went into the > gifted program because I and one of my classmates weren't > accepted. So > they don't *all* fail. No, certainly not. There are some teachers who are very good at it, and some who have been trained to do it. It's just that, as a general group, they're not very good at it. That certainly doesn't mean every teacher is bad at it. As Tigger's case indicates, sometimes they can actually pick up people who are missed by other methods. Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Nolan Subject: Re: TPDIS: gifted Date: 02 May 2000 12:25:57 +1000 That would depend on how to define gifted. Some gifted ideas examine IQ as a sole indicator. Others use the idea that if you consistantly demostrate an increased ability ( against your peers ) in 3 or more of the 8 intelligences, means your gifted. There are many street kids I have worked with who are gifted, and they dont think there elite. In the !st Serious I would think MIKE ( the guy who started out breaking into the bank ? ) was a good example of a gifted person. I still believe there is some link between the Two, even as some one said, its the people who like the TV program. One other observation, if you rememebr when the TP discovered they were a TP, they called it 'Breaking out', well ever seen a adult who was different but didnt understand way, suddenly discover they had gifts and they break out. I would think the shock of it happening would be the same. Has anyone on the list, ever discussed the psychological effects pf breaking out ?? cheers tony At 09:54 PM 5/1/00 EDT, you wrote: >I tend to dismiss the gifted debate because it makes THE TOMORROW PEOPLE idea >that anyone can be a TP void and null. If only gifted people can become TP, >than the "anyone can be a TP" goe sout the window and the TP become even more >elite than they were before...distancing them from us even more as >characters. Tyso, Andrew, Mike, Stephen, Liz, Carol, Kenny, Hsui Tai, and >Tricia seem anything but gifted to me. But that's just my opinion. To me, >even a dumb bell can become a TP. :) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: gifted Date: 02 May 2000 12:47:31 +1000 > From: CMento6653@aol.com [mailto:CMento6653@aol.com] > > I tend to dismiss the gifted debate because it makes THE > TOMORROW PEOPLE idea > that anyone can be a TP void and null. If only gifted people > can become TP, > than the "anyone can be a TP" goe sout the window and the TP > become even more > elite than they were before...distancing them from us even more as > characters. Tyso, Andrew, Mike, Stephen, Liz, Carol, Kenny, > Hsui Tai, and > Tricia seem anything but gifted to me. But that's just my > opinion. To me, > even a dumb bell can become a TP. :) Well, for some of us, the 'giftedness' aspect actually serves to lessen the distance between us (-8 That's one of the reasons I liked the show - whether it was truly there or not, I did see similarities. But, I also don't see that suggesting TP have a tendency to be gifted does anything to make the anyone can be a TP argument null and void in any way. Because, likewise, *anyone* can be gifted. If giftedness only hit certain sections of the population, I'd agree - but it can hit anyone in any section of society. So a tendency for TP to be gifted, wouldn't contradict the idea that anyone could be a tomorrow person - especially if the two things are linked. They'd be part of a common phenomena. Also - when we are talking about people who are telepathic, can teleport, have telekinesis, etc, I think the fact that they might be more intelligent than the norm is a very minor issue in whether or not they are different (-8 You see, this doesn't preclude a TP being a dumbbell anyway. I still see them as having an IQ score that follows a similar curve to that of everyone else - it just has a higher mean. Using IQ-based theories of giftedness - Tony has just mentioned the 3 out of 8 idea as well - personally I don't like that one, because I'm a long way from convinced that the multiple intelligence theory it is based on has any real validity, so I'll use the IQ definitions following. These are more generally accepted, than MI, and also are to a great extent included in MI anyway (IQ effects at least 4 MIs in a significant fashion). Theoretically, the average IQ is 100 - with 96% of the population having an IQ between 70 and 130. 130IQ is generally considered the minimum for giftedness, so if we are assuming the average TP is gifted, we are setting their mean at 130 IQ. If the similar curve exists, this will mean that 96% of TP have an IQ between 100 and 130. It is still very possible for a TP to be of average intelligence or below average intelligence, if such applies. There'd just be a general tendency for a higher intellect - not an absolute fact. As a bit of fun, years of experience (! (-8 !) have made me fairly good at estimating the IQ of people I have been able to observe. I've spent a lot of time examining the TP (-8 and my estimates of their IQs follow. I would never claim to be 100% accurate at this - but experimentally, it's been found I can get within 10 points over 80% of the time - so these are good guesses. In some cases, I give hard scores - in others I give ranges. Generally speaking, this is because some TP have given me less time to observe them, so I can't be as solid in my guesses. John: IQ 180 Carol: IQ 130-145 Kenny: IQ 120-140 Stephen: IQ 160 Elizabeth: IQ 155 Tyso: IQ 145 Mike: IQ 150 Andrew: IQ 140 Hsui Tai: IQ 120-140 Tricia: IQ 150 Pavla: IQ 125-150 Adam: IQ 160 Megabyte: IQ 145 Lisa: IQ 140 Kevin: IQ 150 Ami: IQ 170 Jade: IQ 140 My guesses 8-P Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Kirk" Subject: Re: TPDIS: John's dad in the war? Date: 02 May 2000 14:47:52 -0400 it was in the novel and the show. I have this novel... Peter Kirk pckirk@pa.net List Owner centralPAscanner www.egroups.com/mygroups/centralPAscanner ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 8:26 PM > I thought in one of the novels, John (and it may be in the TV show Hitler's > Last SEcret) mentioned that his dad was in the war. Mike's grandfather was > too---and this might be in the TV show too or the novel. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: gifted Date: 02 May 2000 17:15:20 EDT what about crystalized intelligence and also emotional intelligence? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Nolan Subject: Re: TPDIS: gifted Date: 03 May 2000 08:33:09 +1000 I know about emotional intelligences, im writing about them at the moment in my text book. But i havent heard of crystalised intelligences. the multi intelligences are=20 =B7 Word Smart. People who think in words, love to read, write and discuss. The are good communicators and write clearly, and have a good vocabulary and spelling skills. =B7 Logic / Math Smart. People who think in numbers, patterns, algorithms and are good in maths. They love to think clearly and analytically, often use symbols, solve problems and puzzles=20 =B7 Body Smart. These people are highly coordinated and use lots of gestures and body language. They love to fix things, or take them apart to see how they work. They love hands on activities and play sports.=20 =B7 Nature Smart People who love nature, love sorting and classifying, keen observation skills, and a love for animals. =B7 Art / Space Smart People who think in images, use many lots of visuals, love to draw, have a good eye for detail and are very good at spatial relationships.=20 =B7 Music Smart People who have a good sense of rhythm, love to sing and really enjoy listening to music. =B7 People Smart People who make friends easily, is a leader and resolve conflicts. Loves to work with others, and has great respect for others.=20 =B7 Self Smart Often needs time to make decisions and loves to explore their own thinking. They are often introspective, and prefer their time alone. At 05:15 PM 5/2/00 EDT, you wrote: >what about crystalized intelligence and also emotional intelligence? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: gifted Date: 03 May 2000 09:00:14 +1000 > From: CMento6653@aol.com [mailto:CMento6653@aol.com] > > what about crystalized intelligence and also emotional intelligence? What about them? (-8 Seriously speaking, I didn't address them in my post because I really don't know a lot about them. Emotional intelligence seems to change everytime I turn around, as new people publish their theories, so knowing what anyone person means by the term is very difficult. In all honesty, I regard a great deal of emotional intelligence theory (not all) as ideological claptrap trying to disguise itself as something scientific, so until a better consensus emerges on what is meant by the term, I more-or-less ignore it - I have the luxury that I can (-8 But, to make it simple, emotional intelligence, whatever it is, is something I don't consider when discussing giftedness, except to acknowledge it may exist and if so, it could open up new areas of giftedness beyond those I deal with. We need to be aware that discussions of giftedness, intelligence, etc, can become highly political in nature with people on both sides either using theories or denying evidence in order to advance their political and ideological agenda. Emotional intelligence is an idea, very often used *against* the intellectually gifted. The persecution experienced at many times by gifted kids is, IMHO, yet another reason why the Tomorrow People appeals to a large number of them. When everyone seems against you because you are different from the norm, seeing a group that has to deal with that and prospers despite it, can be very comforting. One of the hardest things I ever wrote was the closing scene of my fanfic 'Exodus' because it was so much an admission that the TP had lost - that really tore me up, strange to say, because their winning was one of the things that kept me alive as a child. As for crystalised intelligence - I don't know what that is - so discussing it in TP terms would be difficult for me. It may be something I have heard of under a different name - not an uncommon phenomemon, but there are so many different intelligence theories and ideas out there, keeping track of all of them is a herculean task. My statements on the giftedness of the TPs refers to that in one area - intellect - where I do see them as gifted. That doesn't mean there aren't other areas where they are, as well, or where they may not be. Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rachael Bailey" Subject: Re: TPDIS: surveys Date: 02 May 2000 21:30:42 PDT > What, in your opinion, was the worst thing that the TP writers did, in >either > series? >> >Jade Thank you whoever wrote this. I can't stand Jade. The worst mistake they made in the old series was Carol. Episode wise: The Living Skins was the worst for me. All i can say is the old series went down hill after Stephen (No not biased at all) Rachael with an A :) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ana Isabel Sacristan Subject: Re: TPDIS: surveys Date: 03 May 2000 01:39:40 -0600 At 21:30 02/05/00 PDT, you wrote: > > All i can say is the old series went down hill after Stephen >(No not biased at all) > >Rachael with an A :) I totally agree! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ana Isabel Sacristan Subject: RE: TPDIS: gifted Date: 03 May 2000 01:39:01 -0600 At 12:47 02/05/00 +1000, you wrote: >> From: CMento6653@aol.com [mailto:CMento6653@aol.com] >> >> I tend to dismiss the gifted debate because it makes THE >> TOMORROW PEOPLE idea >> that anyone can be a TP void and null. If only gifted people >> can become TP, >> than the "anyone can be a TP" goe sout the window and the TP >> become even more >> elite than they were before...distancing them from us even more as >> characters. Tyso, Andrew, Mike, Stephen, Liz, Carol, Kenny, >> Hsui Tai, and >> Tricia seem anything but gifted to me. But that's just my >> opinion. To me, >> even a dumb bell can become a TP. :) > I think it is part of being a TP (AFTER breaking out) to have higher intelligence. In The Vanishing Earth it is clearly stated that the TPs calculations are far superior and sophisticated to those of Saps. In The Blue and the Green, Stephen states that going to school is a complete waste of time (but he has to go as to not raise suspicions). This does not mean that "any dumb bell" cannot become a TP. Anyone can still be a potential TP. In my opinion there is no relation between pre-breaking out intelligence and becoming a TP: it is well known that most people use less than 10% of their brains. I believe that "breaking-out" is simply finding the key (< Subject: TPDIS: Survey Date: 03 May 2000 02:34:19 -0600 At 14:08 27/04/00 +1000, Tony Nolan wrote: > >I would be interested in having a look at the survey or if we are going to >run it again, please. OK. Since Wendy has also given her blessing, here is a proposed survey for the list members. Some questions are the same as those in the Michael Edmonds' survey from 1998. 1) Male/Female? 2) Where do you live? 3) Age? 4) Highest academic degree? 5) Area of studies / occupation? 6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?) ? 7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? 8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or did you consider yourself to be popular as a child? 9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided 10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? 11) What did you see first (OS or NS)? 12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? 13) Favorite OS episode? 14) Favorite NS episode? 15) Worse OS episode? 16) Worse NS episode? 17) Favorite OS TP? 18) Favorite NS TP? 19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and teen TV shows? 20) Other than TP, favorite TV show(s) /books? (Note for AOL or Compuserve members only: I am willing to tally the results of the survey, but at the moment my university server has blocked AOL and Compuserve emails due to spam problems. So if you have an AOL or Compuserve, and want me to tally your answers, please send me a copy of your post to my alternative address: asacrist@globalonline.com) Ana ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kristy Fahrenwald" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 03 May 2000 02:54:27 CDT >1) Male/Female? Female >2) Where do you live? Arkansas, USA >3) Age? 30 >4) Highest academic degree? Halfway thru my masters... BA in Math >5) Area of studies / occupation? Grad Student/Teacher in Math >6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?) ? Somewhat...(I'd be slightly above Shaun's TP IQ Mean :)) >7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? Introvert >8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or did you >consider yourself to be popular as a child? Very different... far from popular >9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided Undecided >10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? About 11-12 >11) What did you see first (OS or NS)? OS >12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? OS >13) Favorite OS episode? Secret Weapon >14) Favorite NS episode? Origin Story (of what I've seen) >15) Worse OS episode? Vanishing Earth >16) Worse NS episode? Monsoon Man (of what I've seen) >17) Favorite OS TP? John >18) Favorite NS TP? Kevin >19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and teen TV >shows? No >20) Other than TP, favorite TV show(s) /books? The Pretender / The Bible & Amber novels Kristy Fahrenwald ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ruby Red Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 03 May 2000 19:31:36 +1000 On Wed, May 03, 2000 at 02:34:19AM -0600, Ana Isabel Sacristan wrote: > OK. Since Wendy has also given her blessing, here is a proposed survey for > the list members. Some questions are the same as those in the Michael > Edmonds' survey from 1998. "proposed". Does that mean we shall therefore discuss and debate the questions? > 2) Where do you live? How fine-grained should this question be - country? state? > 9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided Hmmmm. I'm not sure I can answer this question. KJA -- Ruby Red http://www.foobox.net/~kat http://www.crosswinds.net/~rubykat "Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas any more." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Nolan Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 03 May 2000 21:22:19 +1000 At 02:34 AM 5/3/00 -0600, you wrote: >At 14:08 27/04/00 +1000, Tony Nolan wrote: >> >>I would be interested in having a look at the survey or if we are going to >>run it again, please. > >OK. Since Wendy has also given her blessing, here is a proposed survey for >the list members. Some questions are the same as those in the Michael >Edmonds' survey from 1998. > >1) Male/Female? Male > >2) Where do you live? Sydney Australia > >3) Age? 37 > >4) Highest academic degree? Post Grad > >5) Area of studies / occupation? Intelligence analysis, stats and maths, Cogknology, criminal profiling Occupation - Information and Intelligence Analyist > >6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?) ? So im told > >7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? Introvert on the inside - Extrovert on the outside. > >8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or did you >consider yourself to be popular as a child? Different > >9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided Yes, especialy the advent of Kything > >10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? First series in ausralia, so when i was in primary school > >11) What did you see first (OS or NS)? os > >12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? OS - Yehhh !!!!!!!! > >13) Favorite OS episode? The one were mike breaks out > >14) Favorite NS episode? First Episode > >15) Worse OS episode? Was there ever a bad one ? > >16) Worse NS episode? The 2nd last one shown in australia > >17) Favorite OS TP? John > >18) Favorite NS TP? Not sure the dark girl > >19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and teen TV >shows? > Yes i do, especially Australia Sci Fi >20) Other than TP, favorite TV show(s) /books? Prentender, Perns book series, and star trek > > > >(Note for AOL or Compuserve members only: I am willing to tally the results >of the survey, but at the moment my university server has blocked AOL and >Compuserve emails due to spam problems. So if you have an AOL or >Compuserve, and want me to tally your answers, please send me a copy of >your post to my alternative address: asacrist@globalonline.com) > >Ana > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Amy Bridger Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 03 May 2000 21:38:15 +1000 At 02:34 ^_^;; 3/05/00 -0600, Ana wrote: >1) Male/Female? Female >2) Where do you live? Brisbane, Australia >3) Age? 18 >4) Highest academic degree? Diploma of IT, currently studying towards Bachelor degree. >5) Area of studies / occupation? Studying Information Technology, working as a webmaster. >6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?) ? Yes >7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? Introvert >8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or did you >consider yourself to be popular as a child? I felt very different, still do. Was not and am not popular. >9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided Oh yeah! >10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? About 15 >11) What did you see first (OS or NS)? NS >12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? Haven't seen OS >13) Favorite OS episode? See above >14) Favorite NS episode? Origin Story >15) Worse OS episode? N/A >16) Worse NS episode? Rameses Connection >17) Favorite OS TP? N/A >18) Favorite NS TP? Adam >19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and teen TV >shows? Yes *blush* >20) Other than TP, favorite TV show(s) /books? Mystery Science Theatre 3000, Battle Athletes, Serial Experiments Lain. The Chrysalids, Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy. -- Amy Bridger (ami@full-moon.com) When will you people learn to read my sig and see that I am in AUSTRALIA? Belly Dancing is more fun when it's accompanied by Xena yells. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 03 May 2000 22:33:17 +1000 >1) Male/Female? Male >2) Where do you live? Frankston, Victoria, Australia. >3) Age? 25 >4) Highest academic degree? None - although I have course credit for three quarters of two separate degrees (they *pay* me too much... I can't resist and go back to uni) >5) Area of studies / occupation? Area of studies: Astrophysics, Software Engineering, History, Psychology Occupation: Software Engineer. >6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?) ? Yes. At the risk of sounding immodest, by a very considerable margin. >7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? Introvert >8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or did you >consider yourself to be popular as a child? Yes, I did feel very different to those around me. Popular - anything but. Few people were less popular than I (-8 >9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided Sceptical - I believe very strongly in the possibility of psychic ability, but I cannot describe myself as a believer without absolute proof. I have encountered some very strong cases of apparent psychic ability, and have been a participant in scientific trials investigation psychic behaviour, which have left me convinced something is at work, we don't understand - but I cannot say what that is. >10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? Somewhere between 5 and 10 - I first saw the show either before or around my fifth birthday, and I was definitely hooked by 9 or so - but I have a hard time pinning it down precisely. >11) What did you see first (OS or NS)? OS >12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? OS >13) Favorite OS episode? The Blue and the Green >14) Favorite NS episode? Rameses Connection >15) Worse OS episode? Achille's Heel - at least A Man for Emily was funny. >16) Worse NS episode? Monsoon Man >17) Favorite OS TP? Elizabeth >18) Favorite NS TP? Adam >19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and teen TV >shows? Yes >20) Other than TP, favorite TV show(s) /books? TV shows: Chocky, Buffy, Star Trek, The Bill, The X-Files Books: Anything by David Feintuch, Raymond E. Feist, 'Welcome to the Ark' by Stephanie Tolan, Harry Potter books, The Galactic Milieu Trilogy Shaun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ariana Brill Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 03 May 2000 06:07:15 -0700 Ana Isabel Sacristan wrote: > 1) Male/Female? Female > 2) Where do you live? Santa Barbara, California > 3) Age? 15 > 4) Highest academic degree? None > 5) Area of studies / occupation? Highschool > 6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?) ? Yes > 7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? Introvert > 8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or did you > consider yourself to be popular as a child? Definitely different. > 9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided Yes > 10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? Ten > 11) What did you see first (OS or NS)? NS > 12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? OS > 13) Favorite OS episode? The Doomsday Men > 14) Favorite NS episode? The Rameses Connection > 15) Worse OS episode? Vanishing Earth > 16) Worse NS episode? Monsoon Man > 17) Favorite OS TP? Stephen > 18) Favorite NS TP? Adam > 19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and teen TV > shows? n/a > 20) Other than TP, favorite TV show(s) /books? TV: Daria, My So-Called Life, The Simpsons, anime Book: Hmm... The Prydain Chronicles, and The Mists of Avalon -- (~.~) Ariana "Fantasy is hardly an escape from reality. It's a way of understanding it." - Lloyd Alexander saylormars@mail.com ICQ 9737939 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Matott" Subject: Re: TPDIS: gifted Date: 03 May 2000 06:37:03 PDT >From: Tony Nolan And if we think we fit in all but two of these what does that make us? Schizophrenic? Seriously, most of these don't seem mutually exclusive, but are there patterns in terms of what types people fit into? (i.e. music and art are more likely found together in a person, etc.) It kind of reminds me of the Briggs-Meyer Personality Test, where you have about a dozen possible combinations but certain ones are more represented in the population. mike - trying to figure out how to reconcile the introspective one with the leader/people one. > >the multi intelligences are > > >· Word Smart. People who think in words, love to read, write and discuss. >The are good communicators and write clearly, and have a good vocabulary >and spelling skills. > >· Logic / Math Smart. People who think in numbers, patterns, algorithms >and are good in maths. They love to think clearly and analytically, often >use symbols, solve problems and puzzles > >· Body Smart. These people are highly coordinated and use lots of gestures >and body language. They love to fix things, or take them apart to see how >they work. They love hands on activities and play sports. > >· Nature Smart People who love nature, love sorting and classifying, keen >observation skills, and a love for animals. > >· Art / Space Smart People who think in images, use many lots of visuals, >love to draw, have a good eye for detail and are very good at spatial >relationships. > >· Music Smart People who have a good sense of rhythm, love to sing and >really enjoy listening to music. > >· People Smart People who make friends easily, is a leader and resolve >conflicts. Loves to work with others, and has great respect for others. > >· Self Smart Often needs time to make decisions and loves to explore their >own thinking. They are often introspective, and prefer their time alone. > > >At 05:15 PM 5/2/00 EDT, you wrote: > >what about crystalized intelligence and also emotional intelligence? > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Timothy O'Neal" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 03 May 2000 08:38:18 -0500 (CDT) My turn on the ole survey, eh? > 1) Male/Female? Male > 2) Where do you live? New Orleans, LA, USA > 3) Age? 17 > 4) Highest academic degree? N/A, Junior in High School > 5) Area of studies / occupation? High School > 6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?) ? Yes > 7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? Introvert > 8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or did you > consider yourself to be popular as a child? I felt different, and still do. I'm not too popular, but I'm not a loner either. > 9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided Yes, but it's not an adamant yes. It's a skeptical yes. > 10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? 11 > 11) What did you see first (OS or NS)? NS > 12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? NS, mainly because I've only seen one serial of the OS > 13) Favorite OS episode? Doomsday Men > 14) Favorite NS episode? Ramses Connection > 15) Worse OS episode? N/A > 16) Worse NS episode? Monsoon Man > 17) Favorite OS TP? Stephen > 18) Favorite NS TP? Lisa > 19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and teen TV > shows? N/A > 20) Other than TP, favorite TV show(s) /books? Shows: A lot of anime, mainly: Neon Genesis Evengelion, Shoujo Kakumei Utena, Serial Experiments Lain, Cowboy Bebop. Books: Right now, I'm into the Orson Scott Card's Ender's series of books. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Matott" Subject: Re: TPDIS: surveys Date: 03 May 2000 06:43:02 PDT > >> What, in your opinion, was the worst thing that the TP writers did, in >>either series Hmm, a tie between Colonel Cobb and spunky reporter Lucy in Monsoon Man. Old series, well if we're restricting it to writers than I can't bad mouth Carol so I'd have to say just about all of Living Skins. mike ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Matott" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 03 May 2000 06:57:35 PDT > >1) Male/Female? Male >2) Where do you live? Tampa, Florida. >3) Age? 23 for another month and a half. >4) Highest academic degree? Currently a BS, working on a PhD >5) Area of studies / occupation? Marine Biology - I work with shark feeding. >6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?) ? I'm modest so I don't like to say it, but yeah. (I want to bring something up that some of the other bright people on the list might be able to relate to. I never saw myself as special or really intelligent growing up and in many ways still don't. That resulted in me having a hard time understanding why other kids couldn't understand things as quickly as I did or why they had a hard time reading things that I enjoyed reading. Did anyone else have similar experiences?) > >7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? Have to give a waffle answer. I'm a bit of both. Mostly I'm introverted. However, in certain situations I am very extroverted. I tend to be extroverted in situations where I have the support of the people around me. So if I'm alone, I'm introverted. If I'm with friends, I'm extroverted. > >8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or did you >consider yourself to be popular as a child? I was different in many ways from my peers. I definitel was not popular. >9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided Yep. Even have empirical evidence. That or I'm completely delusional. Not sure that it matters. >10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? 15, I think. >11) What did you see first (OS or NS)? NS. >12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? OS >13) Favorite OS episode? Revenge of Jedikiah. >14) Favorite NS episode? Origin Story >15) Worse OS episode? Living Skins > >16) Worse NS episode? Monsoon Man >17) Favorite OS TP? Tricia Stephen if we're talking only regular cast members. >18) Favorite NS TP? Megabyte >19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and teen TV >shows? Don't get to watch much TV anymore, but yes. I try to catch Powerpuff Girls whenever I get the chance. :-) >20) Other than TP, favorite TV show(s) /books? Buffy Angel The Others Simpsons X-Files Charmed mike ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jen Sulzer" Subject: RE: TPDIS: Survey Date: 03 May 2000 10:15:14 -0400 Here Goes... 1) Male/Female? Female 2) Where do you live? Kent, Ohio while I'm at school Amherst, Ohio when I'm at home 3) Age? 20 4) Highest academic degree? I'm just finishing up my second year of college 5) Area of studies / occupation? Computer Information Systems 6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?) ? Yeah, but I try not to get a big head about it! :-) 7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? Introvert, though I'm better than I was! 8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or did you consider yourself to be popular as a child? As Ami said--it was like I was on the outside, looking in. 9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided Yes. 10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? 12 11) What did you see first (OS or NS)? NS on Nickelodeon 12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? Depends on what mood I'm in 13) Favorite OS episode? The Blue and the Green 14) Favorite NS episode? The Ramases Connection 15) Worse OS episode? A Man for Emily! (Is there any argument?) 16) Worse NS episode? I think they all have good and bad points. 17) Favorite OS TP? Liz 18) Favorite NS TP? Adam 19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and teen TV shows? Sure--they're better than a lot of the "adult" stuff out there! 20) Other than TP, favorite TV show(s) /books? Anything by Anne McCaffrey, and the Adept series by Katherine Kurtz and Deborah Turner Harris. I also like Charmed, and The Others, but the TP will always be close to my heart. Jen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Margaret M. Westerby" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 03 May 2000 08:34:39 PDT 1)Female 2)New York, NY and Denver, CO 3)19 4) Highest academic degree? High school diploma; currently I'm at Barnard College trying to decide on a major. 5) Area of studies / occupation? Well, I've worked as a Temp, a librarian, a barista, and a bartender, but those have never been classified as 'real' jobs in my head. I'm wavering between English and History for a major, but will probably create my own since I know what I want my thesis to be: Changes in the perception of time due to technological advances as reflected in literature. It sounds fairly pretentious, but it's actually not that complicated. 6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?) ? In certain areas. 7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? I consider myself an introvert, but I push myself to be an extrovert more often than I would naturally want. 8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or did you consider yourself to be popular as a child? I definitely felt different than my peers, but I didn't feel I was on the outside of popularity. I still feel as if there is something in life that seperates me from everyone I know all the time, but I can't express this nebulous emotion in words. I went to an extremely large high school, where practically everyone was both popular and unpopular. It's extremely difficult to say in that instance. Before high school, however, I know I was unpopular. 9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes 10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? 14 11) What did you see first? NS 12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? Ashamedly, I've never seen the OS. 13) Favorite OS episode? Eep. 14) Favorite NS episode? Origin. 15) Worse OS episode? Still sorry! 16) Worse NS episode? Ramses. 17) Favorite OS TP? Oh my. 18) Favorite NS TP? Adam 19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and teen TV shows? Yup. 20) Other than TP, favorite TV show(s) /books? Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel the Series (Yeah online communities! Talk about tons of fanfic . . .), Reboot, and Malcolm in the Middle. Anything by Lois McMaster Bujold, A.A. Milne, Oscar Wilde, Tom Stoppard, Arthur Miller, or James Joyce; Ender's Game (only, not the series), The Dark is Rising sequence by Susan Cooper, The Princess Bride by William Goldman, The Ladies Paradise by Emile Zola, and Alice's Adventures in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll. That was fun. Megan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ravyn243@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 03 May 2000 13:56:30 EDT >1) Male/Female? Female >2) Where do you live? Philadelphia, PA >3) Age? 18 >4) Highest academic degree? workin on my BS (BS... how appropriate for a CSC major...) >5) Area of studies / occupation? Computer Science/Women's Studies >6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?) ? i wish >7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? a little bit of both >8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or did you >consider yourself to be popular as a child? yes, different/ i wasn't popular in grade school, average in high school, i have a lot of friends now, but i don't know if i would say i was really popular >9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided yes >10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? when did the NS start? i guess i was about 12 or 13 >11) What did you see first (OS or NS)? NS >12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? NS >13) Favorite OS episode? I've never seen the OS (i'm so deprived) >14) Favorite NS episode? Culex Experiment >15) Worse OS episode? -- >16) Worse NS episode? Monsoon Man >17) Favorite OS TP? -- >18) Favorite NS TP? Megabyte >19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and teen TV >shows? sometimes >20) Other than TP, favorite TV show(s) /books? Passions/ anything by Terry Pratchett ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon Fraser Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 03 May 2000 19:16:59 +0100 Ok peoples, Here's my answers to the rather interesting survey hehe 1) Male/Female? Male 2) Where do you live? Perth, Scotland, UK 3) Age? 22 4) Highest academic degree? 3 modules short of a BSC in Computing :( 5) Area of studies / occupation? Computing/Computer Science 6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?) ? Possibly Slightly.. not too sure hehe :) 7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? Introvert most of the time, except in certain company :) 8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or did you consider yourself to be popular as a child? I was (and still am) quite small in height (5' 3") so that didn't help, and I have to say I've a lot more friends now then I ever had in school :) 9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided Yes indeed :) 10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? I was 15 when I first saw the NS 11) What did you see first (OS or NS)? NS 12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? NS, but I can't really comment, cuz I've never seen the OS 13) Favorite OS episode? I can't answer that one :( 14) Favorite NS episode? The last ep of the origin story (When they nearly throw Megabyte over the balcony) 15) Worse OS episode? Um, can't say I'm afraid 16) Worse NS episode? Having only seen the Origin Story I don't really have a worst ep 17) Favorite OS TP? None, cuz I ain't seen it 18) Favorite NS TP? Megabyte, mainly because he's the computer wizkid hehe 19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and teen TV shows? A few, mainly Power Rangers and Pokemon, very little else 20) Other than TP, favorite TV show(s) /books? I really Like the X Files, I'm on a Pokemon trip at the moment, and I've been a Power Rangers fan since the series started. I enjoy reading lotsa scifi books, and also Stephen King :) I hope you guys find my answers interesting hehe Bye for now :) -- Simon Fraser ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wendy Kelley Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 03 May 2000 13:23:40 -0500 > >1) Male/Female? Female. > >2) Where do you live? Madison, WI > >3) Age? 25 > >4) Highest academic degree? 1 semester left on the Masters (assuming I survive this semester ). BA in English -- creative writing and linguistics. > >5) Area of studies / occupation? Studies are in Applied English Linguistics (ESL). Current occupation is full time student, communications assistant for Wisconsin Relay, and freelance editor. > >6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?) ? Yes > >7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? Introvert > >8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or did you >consider yourself to be popular as a child? I was very, very unpopular. Always felt different. > >9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided yes. > >10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? 9 > >11) What did you see first (OS or NS)? OS > >12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? NS > >13) Favorite OS episode? One Law > >14) Favorite NS episode? Living Stones > >15) Worse OS episode? Living Skins > >16) Worse NS episode? Culex Experiment > >17) Favorite OS TP? Mike > >18) Favorite NS TP? Jade > >19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and teen TV >shows? Oh yeah. Big Wolf On Campus :) > >20) Other than TP, favorite TV show(s) /books? TV: Buffy, Angel, Roswell, Highlander, Forever Knight, My Secret Identity. Books: Joan D. Vinge's "Cat" series, P.N. Elrod's "Vampire Files" and "Jonathan Barrett" series, L.J. Smith's "Nightworld" series. ... Wendy ladyslvr@xmission.com http://www.xmission.com/~ladyslvr/ Listowner: Tomorrow People fiction and discussion lists ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Horrocks, Elizabeth" Subject: TPDIS: Survey Date: 03 May 2000 14:40:01 -0400 1) Male/Female? Female 2) Where do you live? Washington, DC 3) Age? 23 4) Highest academic degree? BA in Psychology 5) Area of studies / occupation? I work at the APA (American Psychological Association) with high hopes of grad school soon... 6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?)? I don't really know. I guess so, but I'm not the sort where everything just comes easily... 7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? Depends on my mood and who I'm with. Generally speaking though...an introvert. 8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or did you consider yourself to be popular as a child? Different, but not an outsider. Pleasantly strange perhaps? 9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided Of course... 10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? 16 or 17 11) What did you see first (OS or NS)? NS 12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? Undecided 13) Favorite OS episode? Secret Weapon or The Blue and the Green 14) Favorite NS episode? Origin Story 15) Worse OS episode? Umm... Thargon Menace 16) Worse NS episode? Monsoon Man 17) Favorite OS TP? Elizabeth 18) Favorite NS TP? I'm torn...Megabyte or Jade 19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and teen TV shows? Yep 20) Other than TP, favorite TV show(s) /books? Buffy Angel Star Trek (old and TNG) Anything by Piers Anthony, Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy..Umm.. I grew up on and still love Lois Duncan and Madeline L'Engle... Basically just general sf and fantasy type stuff. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeffe Boats" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 03 May 2000 15:07:41 EDT Dr. Jeffery J. Boats jeffeboats@hotmail.com http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~jbbz >1) Male/Female? Male >2) Where do you live? {vicinity of} Detroit, Michigan (USA) >3) Age? 27 >4) Highest academic degree? Doctor of Arts in Mathematics, Carnegie Mellon University >5) Area of studies / occupation? Assistant Professor, Department of Mathematics and Computer Science, University of Detroit Mercy >6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?) ? Yes >7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? Extrovert >8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or did you >consider yourself to be popular as a child? Very different >9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided Yes, without the slightest doubt or reservation >10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? Seven >11) What did you see first (OS or NS)? Old Series, on Nickelodeon, back in the days when televisions still had channel knobs with 2 through 13 on them, and you had to play with the UHF knob to play Atari or find stations like Nickelodeon >12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? Old series, by far. >13) Favorite OS episode? The Blue and the Green {HONORABLE MENTIONS: The Doomsday Men, The Heart of Sogguth, The Dirtiest Business, The Slaves of Jedikiah} >14) Favorite NS episode? The Rameses Connection {HONORABLE MENTION: The Living Stones} >15) Worst OS episode? A Man for Emily (DISHONORABLE MENTION: The Living Skins) >16) Worst NS episode? Monsoon Man >17) Favorite OS TP? Elizabeth {HONORABLE MENTIONS: John, Andrew, Pavla} 17a) FAVORITE OS non-TP? Professor Cawston 17b) FAVORITE OS villian(s)? That part-telepathic woman who assists in the capture of the Tomorrow People in "Secret Weapon," her name eludes me at the moment >18) Favorite NS TP? Adam {HONORABLE MENTION: Ami} 18a) FAVORITE NS non-TP? Ami's mother 18b) FAVORITE NS villian(s)? Culex >19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and teen TV >shows? The short answer would be "sometimes." My true answer is ... why label certain shows as being specifically for one specific audience? A program/book/movie/... is for whoever will get something out of it. >20) Other than TP, favorite TV show(s) /books? TV shows: Buffy the Vampire Slayer Angel MacGyver The Equalizer Politically Incorrect The Misfits of Science Books: The Patricia Cornwell series of mysteries featuring "Kay Scarpetta" A Brief History of Time (Steven Hawking) The Invisibles (DC Vertigo monthly comic, written by Grant Morrison) Any book I can find on the occult, comparitive religion, alternative medicines, the martial arts, magical systems.... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vivian Arney Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 03 May 2000 12:23:24 -0700 (PDT) 1)Female 2)Austin, Tx - but I've lived all around. I'm an Air Force Brat 3)39 4) Highest academic degree? High School and some college at SWTSU > 5) Area of studies / occupation? I had studied Drama and Business in college. I spent 18+ years as a hotel operator/night auditor. Did some data entry for the state of Texas and am currently working for Apple Computer as a dispatch agent - (sorry, I don't know any technical stuff - my job is strictly clerical ) > 6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?) ? Last test was about 20 years ago and I tested 158. I'm good with History, English, Archeology, computers and building stuff. Not very good with Math or things that involve color 7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? In large groups I tend to be a bit shy, but one on one on the phones, I'm a wild woman. 8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or did you consider yourself to be popular as a child? Yes. I am legally blind and because my family traveled so much, I was always the new kid in town. No, I was NOT popular as a child. In fact, I was terribly harassed by my classmates because of my vision. After I started going to the School for the Blind, though, I was one of the more "able" students and got to be pretty popular. 9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? YES!! I've had too many experiences where I've known something or dreamed something before it happened. > > 10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? 22 > > 11) What did you see first? Original. > 12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? original > 13) Favorite OS episode? Worlds Away > 14) Favorite NS episode? > Origin. > > 15) Worse OS episode? The Thargon Menace > 16) Worse NS episode? Didn't see enough of them to answer that question > 17) Favorite OS TP? > John 18) Favorite NS TP? Adam - I guess 19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and teen TV shows? Yes, I love "Reboot" and "Scooby Doo" 20) Other than TP, favorite TV show(s) /books? 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SASE for more info. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Matott" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 03 May 2000 13:03:09 PDT >From: "Jeffe Boats" Heh heh. Adding questions. :-> > > 17a) FAVORITE OS non-TP? Professor Cawston > > 17b) FAVORITE OS villian(s)? That part-telepathic woman who >assists in the capture of the Tomorrow People in "Secret Weapon," her name >eludes me at the moment Tricia Conway. >>19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and teen TV >>shows? > >The short answer would be "sometimes." My true answer is ... why label >certain shows as being specifically for one specific audience? A >program/book/movie/... is for whoever will get something out of it. > Because advertisers believe in pleasant fictions called 'demographics' and adjust their product placements accordingly. If there are lots of commericals for toys, video games, and music it's probably aimed at the younger set. If it's got ads for depends and Geritol it's for the senior set. Everything else is that wonderful 18-49 region that they lump the rest of us in. Seriously, I think many of the lables of shows derive purely from the type of adverts that run with them. When shows are in development and being promoted by networks they label the show based on the type of audience they want to attract (i.e. a 'family show', 'teen drama' etc), which affects the type of companies that advertise. I would definitely agree that there are a number of children's shows out there that are *immeasurably* better than adult shows. (I'm thinking just about anything versus say "The Man Show" on Comedy Central - be grateful if you are not in the US and do not have to even put up with the promos for this Neandrethal show) mike ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Nolan Subject: TPDIS: On the Side Date: 04 May 2000 07:00:20 +1000 Hi All, a quick side question. I just over a month, in off to visit Hawaii, for a NASA conference. Im also a person who has only ever been Overseas once, to New Zealand, which is a lot like just another state of Oz. Anyone been to Hawaii or even to Maui, can tell me what to expect ? regards tony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Taylor Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 03 May 2000 22:08:33 +0100 Ana Isabel Sacristan wrote: > > At 14:08 27/04/00 +1000, Tony Nolan wrote: > > > >I would be interested in having a look at the survey or if we are going to > >run it again, please. > > OK. Since Wendy has also given her blessing, here is a proposed survey for > the list members. Some questions are the same as those in the Michael > Edmonds' survey from 1998. > > 1) Male/Female? Male > 2) Where do you live? Surreu, England > 3) Age? 43 > 4) Highest academic degree? BSc (Computer Science) > 5) Area of studies / occupation? Computer Programmer > 6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?) ? Yes > 7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? Introvert > 8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or did you > consider yourself to be popular as a child? Different, unpopular > 9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided Believe that is is possible: Yes Believe that it has been demonstrated: undecided > 10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? 16 > 11) What did you see first (OS or NS)? OS > 12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? OS > 13) Favorite OS episode? The Medusa Strain > 14) Favorite NS episode? Not sure (I've only seen 'The Rameses Connection' and 'The Living Stones') > 15) Worse OS episode? The Thargon Menace > 16) Worse NS episode? ? > 17) Favorite OS TP? Carol > 18) Favorite NS TP? no preference > 19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and teen TV > shows? > 20) Other than TP, favorite TV show(s) /books? Shows: Charmed Buffy Roswell High Angel Books: Most SF&F. -- Peter Taylor pjt.1@cableol.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Nolan Subject: Re: TPDIS: gifted Date: 04 May 2000 07:11:09 +1000 Hi mike, giggle, Most people do fit into more than two of the groups and there is a lot of overlap. Yes it is like many of the psy tests, as well as SDI, teams, etc. On reading many of the surveys, it appears from many of the responses to the questions, is that many people share the charactistics that gifted people associate with.=20 I wonder why ? regards tony At 06:37 AM 5/3/00 PDT, you wrote: >>From: Tony Nolan > >And if we think we fit in all but two of these what does that make us? =20 >Schizophrenic? > >Seriously, most of these don't seem mutually exclusive, but are there=20 >patterns in terms of what types people fit into? (i.e. music and art are= =20 >more likely found together in a person, etc.) It kind of reminds me of the= =20 >Briggs-Meyer Personality Test, where you have about a dozen possible= =20 >combinations but certain ones are more represented in the population. > >mike >- trying to figure out how to reconcile the introspective one with the=20 >leader/people one. > >> >>the multi intelligences are >> >> >>=B7 Word Smart. People who think in words, love to read, write and= discuss. >>The are good communicators and write clearly, and have a good vocabulary >>and spelling skills. >> >>=B7 Logic / Math Smart. People who think in numbers, patterns, algorithms >>and are good in maths. They love to think clearly and analytically, often >>use symbols, solve problems and puzzles >> >>=B7 Body Smart. These people are highly coordinated and use lots of= gestures >>and body language. They love to fix things, or take them apart to see how >>they work. They love hands on activities and play sports. >> >>=B7 Nature Smart People who love nature, love sorting and classifying,= keen >>observation skills, and a love for animals. >> >>=B7 Art / Space Smart People who think in images, use many lots of= visuals, >>love to draw, have a good eye for detail and are very good at spatial >>relationships. >> >>=B7 Music Smart People who have a good sense of rhythm, love to sing and >>really enjoy listening to music. >> >>=B7 People Smart People who make friends easily, is a leader and resolve >>conflicts. Loves to work with others, and has great respect for others. >> >>=B7 Self Smart Often needs time to make decisions and loves to explore= their >>own thinking. They are often introspective, and prefer their time alone. >> >> >>At 05:15 PM 5/2/00 EDT, you wrote: >> >what about crystalized intelligence and also emotional intelligence? >> > >> > >> > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William Adams" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 03 May 2000 18:03:28 -0500 > >OK. Since Wendy has also given her blessing, here is a proposed survey for >the list members. Some questions are the same as those in the Michael >Edmonds' survey from 1998. > >1) Male/Female? Female >2) Where do you live? Fayetteville, Arkansas, USA >3) Age? 40 >4) Highest academic degree? BS in Animal Science, 3/4 of a Masters in Food Science >5) Area of studies / occupation? On duty, Lab Tech. Off, I attempt to write stories, read a lot of animal books, and sometimes I am sighted with a camera in my hands. Usually then I am trying to photograph animals. >6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?) ? Yes >7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? Introvert >8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or did you >consider yourself to be popular as a child? I was never popular. During elementary schooling, my family moved once a year, so I was always the new kid, hence I was teased. High school was a little better for me, for my school had a planetarium, which similar souls hung out at. To make matters worse, I was and still am a biology/zoology science nerd. >9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided Yes. I've had too many precognative dreams to deny the possibility. >10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? 21, a law student introduced the series to me and Bill as a 'unique cultural experience'. >11) What did you see first (OS or NS)? Original series >12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? Original Series >13) Favorite OS episode? Secret Weapon, even though it still upsets me whenever I watch it. >14) Favorite NS episode? Humm --- the Origin Story >15) Worse OS episode? Toughie --- Bubble Skins --- giant bubbles are chasing everybody on Earth without the Prisoner theme music hookie! --- although Hitler's Last Secret also rates up there >16) Worse NS episode? Moonson Man >17) Favorite OS TP? John! >18) Favorite NS TP? Adam >19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and teen TV >shows? YES! Like a few others on this list, I really see no division or problem with watching Children's TV. The line between Children's Shows and 'Adult' Shows really began to blurr when the Simpsons premiered. Besides, as both series of Tomorrow People have proven, you can have entertaining TV in either 'flavor'. >20) Other than TP, favorite TV show(s) /books? TV shows: Doctor Who, Classic Star Trek, Real Ghostbusters, Beetlejuice, Herculoids, (okay, anything that moves on Cartoon Network!) Fantastic Voyage, Garfield, Simpsons, Futurama, Nova, Nature, National Geographic specials. As for books, I just gloss over, quickly. I beginning to really get into antique natural histories. Since I am an armchair zoologist, I'll gobble down good cryptozoology books. In fiction I tend to go into the short story anthologies such as Cat Fantastic series, and big chewy works such as Brin's Uplift Wars, Adam's Watership Down, and King's The Wild Road. > > >(Note for AOL or Compuserve members only: I am willing to tally the results >of the survey, but at the moment my university server has blocked AOL and >Compuserve emails due to spam problems. So if you have an AOL or >Compuserve, and want me to tally your answers, please send me a copy of >your post to my alternative address: asacrist@globalonline.com) > >Ana > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Cobalt Blue" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 03 May 2000 16:20:31 PDT 1) Male/Female? Female 2) Where do you live? Tennessee, USA 3) Age? Sixteen and tootin' proud. :) 4) Highest academic degree? Sophomore graduation credits. Means that in three weeks, I'm a junior. 5) Area of studies / occupation? I'm on the academic/unversity scheduling path at school, it means I do more in the classic academic areas (ie -- English, Science, Math), than vocational or technical. 6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?) ? The tests do, I do not. A technical yes. 7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? It depends. When I'm among friends, I'm an extrovert, but when I'm with strangers, I'm an introvert. 8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or did you consider yourself to be popular as a child? I felt like I was a different species from my peers. I was never a popular child, I'm still not! 9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided Yes. 10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? I was about nine or ten. 11) What did you see first (OS or NS)? NS, Nickelodeon, Saturday afternoons, right before Salute Your Shorts, and right after Double Dare. 12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? NS, simply because I can relate to a more modern setting. 13) Favorite OS episode? No question, The Blue and The Green. 14) Favorite NS episode? Shockingly, Culex 15) Worse OS episode? I have a hard time deciding, because there are two that are competing for title of 'worst', but I'll have to say Living Skins. Death by fashion? 16) Worse NS episode? Monsoon Man. 17) Favorite OS TP? Liz. Liz wasn't anyone's boss, but she wasn't bossed around by anyone. She did what she thought was right, but she thoughts about it. Plus, she was pretty and very sweet. 18) Favorite NS TP? Adam. 19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and teen TV shows? If I'm not? Hey, you're never too old for a little Porky Pig in your life. :) 20) Other than TP, favorite TV show(s) /books? Books - Billy Budd by Herman Melville, Welcome to the Ark by Stephanie Tolan, Illusion by Paula Volsky, Perfume by Patrick Suskind, Denial by Ken Follet TV shows- M*A*S*H, Farscape, good vs. evil, Highlander, X-Files, Are You Being Served? My .02$ or pence or yen or marc or peso Megan **** "If the future is already written, why bother to do anything?" "Now you're catching on." -Mulder and Clyde Bruckman "Clyde Bruckman's Final Repose" X-Files ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Trina L. Short" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 03 May 2000 20:09:28 -0400 Ana Isabel Sacristan wrote: I love surveys... This is the second I've filled out in as many days. > 1) Male/Female? Female > 2) Where do you live? A Small Town in Ohio > 3) Age? 29 > 4) Highest academic degree? Bachelors+150 > 5) Area of studies / occupation? Chemistry Education with more Physics courses / Chemistry/Physics teacher > 6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?) ? Ayup > 7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? Introvert in a crowd, extrovert with friends > 8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or did= you > consider yourself to be popular as a child? I had few friends until my HS years when many of my classmates matured enough to decide that different wasn't bad. I was popular with people older and younger than me until HS, then I was accepted for who I was > 9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided No, but I can dream, can't I? :) > 10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? 11 or 12 > 11) What did you see first (OS or NS)? OS > 12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? OS > 13) Favorite OS episode? Heart of Sogguth (Liz is the hero) > 14) Favorite NS episode? Ramses (though Culex has it's charms) > 15) Worse OS episode? Thargon Menace=20 > 16) Worse NS episode? Monsoon Man > 17) Favorite OS TP? Elizabeth > 18) Favorite NS TP? Ami > 19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and teen= TV > shows? I don't watch "teen" TV, but I love cartoons. (Daria, Dexter, South Park, etc.) > 20) Other than TP, favorite TV show(s) /books? TV: Doctor Who, Columbo, Daria, Law and Orbach Books: Anything by Roald Dahl, Any Murder She Wrote or Columbo book, the Harry Potter books, and the Scarpetta books by Patricia Cornwell -- trinalin =A92000 ACME Page Fillers, Inc. http://www.pagefillers.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: gifted Date: 04 May 2000 11:00:59 +1000 > From: Michael Matott [mailto:greyfalconsaerie@hotmail.com] > > Seriously, most of these don't seem mutually exclusive, but are there > patterns in terms of what types people fit into? (i.e. music > and art are > more likely found together in a person, etc.) It kind of > reminds me of the > Briggs-Meyer Personality Test, where you have about a > dozen possible > combinations but certain ones are more represented in the population. MI theory allows people to have the same level of ability, high or low, in all areas, or any combination thereof. There are certain MIs that commonly go hand in hand with each other. The terms Tony has given aren't the ones commonly used in discussions of MI, although they seem to match Gardners MIs pretty closely - (Gardner's theory is the predominant one). Examinations of that have found very close correlations between Logical ability and Linquistic ability, and between Spatial and Artistic, and Spatial and Mathematical. These tend to go together and do form patterns. Bear in mind that MI theory is still very much a theory - no real evidence has been provided to prove it has much validity yet, as it's still fairly new. In TP terms, it's a bit like dividing the Three Ts - teleportation, telekinesis, and telepathy, and considering them separately, rather than as part of the one entity. It can be useful to do so in some cases - but there are very possibly close connections between them nonetheless. Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gina Hussain" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 03 May 2000 18:07:29 MST >1) Male/Female? Female >2) Where do you live? Phoenix, Arizona >3) Age? 41 >4) Highest academic degree? Associate of Arts (2-year degree) >5) Area of studies / occupation? Computer Programming >6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?) ? Yes, IQ 120 >7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? Extrovert >8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or >did you consider yourself to be popular as a child? I felt I was different >9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided Yes >10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? 35 >11) What did you see first (OS or NS)? NS only >12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? NS >13) Favorite OS episode? N/A >14) Favorite NS episode? Origin Story >15) Worse OS episode? N/A >16) Worse NS episode? Culex Experiment >17) Favorite OS TP? N/A >18) Favorite NS TP? Adam >19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch children's cartoons and >teen TV shows? Yes, when my kids are watching them, but not when I'm alone. >20) Other than TP, favorite TV show(s) /books? Star Trek, The Sixth Sense(70's TV show about ESP) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: gifted Date: 03 May 2000 21:09:40 EDT In a message dated 00-05-03 02:42:40 EDT, you write: << I think it is part of being a TP (AFTER breaking out) to have higher intelligence. In The Vanishing Earth it is clearly stated that the TPs calculations are far superior and sophisticated to those of Saps. In The Blue and the Green, Stephen states that going to school is a complete waste of time (but he has to go as to not raise suspicions). This does not mean that "any dumb bell" cannot become a TP. Anyone can still be a potential TP. In my opinion there is no relation between pre-breaking out intelligence and becoming a TP: it is well known that most people use less than 10% of their brains. I believe that "breaking-out" is simply finding the key (<> This makes a lot of sense. However, the calculations might be TIM's in VANISHING EARTH. Stephen's feelings of it being a complete waste of time could also be the thoughts of those before breaking out. Cawston seemed smarter than the Tp in the OS. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: gifted Date: 03 May 2000 21:11:59 EDT In a message dated 00-05-03 02:42:40 EDT, you write: << Stephen has inventions of his own; he and Carol and Kenny are seen doing complicated computations (again in The Vanishing Earth); Liz seems to me to be a very wise person, even of there are no specific displays of above average intelligence; and Tricia (although we see her before fully breaking out) would not have the rank and power she had, if she wasn't quite intelligent. >> Step's inventions are only from the novels, given they are written by Roger (?) they are probably canon but what did Stephen invent in the TV series? Not much if anything. Liz is a teacher, no offense but if she were smarter, she's be something else. No offense as I am a teacher. Tricia might have had the "rank" whatever that was only because she was telepathic and pretty. Or maybe something else... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: gifted Date: 04 May 2000 11:41:00 +1000 > From: CMento6653@aol.com [mailto:CMento6653@aol.com] > > Step's inventions are only from the novels, given they are > written by Roger > (?) they are probably canon but what did Stephen invent in > the TV series? Not > much if anything. Liz is a teacher, no offense but if she > were smarter, she's > be something else. No offense as I am a teacher. Tricia might > have had the > "rank" whatever that was only because she was telepathic and > pretty. Or maybe > something else... What did Stephen invent in the TV series? Well, by that token, what did John invent? We see so many examples of advanced equipment etc - and we don't know which of these were invented by whom. Stephen may have done it, just as easily, as anyone else. The novels aren't canon, IMHO, but they are good indicators of things we don't see in the series. I think based on the statement in the Visitor it is reasonable to assume some of those items were Stephen's work. As for Liz... Generally speaking teachers aren't incredibly intelligent - somewhat above average, but not into the gifted ranges. But that's a generality - there are plenty of teachers out there who *are* very intelligent. I have an IQ that breaks 180 - and guess what I'm considering doing for a living in five years? (-8 Some people, highly intelligent people, become teachers because this is what they want to do - they regard it as a noble profession where they can make a difference. Or Liz may not have had much of a choice. We never hear anything about Liz's family - she may be all alone in the world. She seems to have emigrated to the UK from Africa, judging from what Mike says in 'The Heart of Sogguth'. She's female and she's black in a society that was more racist and sexist than ours is today. For all we know, she may have had few options in terms of a career. I'm in Mensa, so I meet with intelligent people quite a bit older than myself sometimes. Quite a number of the women are nurses or teachers - or have been in the past. Why? Because here in Australia, a teaching or nursing course was about the only option for further education available to a lot of young women who didn't come from wealthy families. Unlike other tertiary education areas, you didn't have to pay a fortune for these - in fact, you were often paid a small allowance during training. I'm not sure if these factors applied in the UK or not - but I can see it very easily, that, for Liz, teaching may have been the best choice available to her. As for Tricia, the military - especially the British and Commonwealth military (it is slightly less true for US forces, although only slightly) - doesn't employ many unintelligent people - certainly not as Officers. We don't know if Tricia holds any official rank or not - I suspect she does, at least on paper, but we don't know. But she does seem to have an Officer's responsibilities. While it is certainly possible that her unique talents might have meant the Army was willing to take her on, no matter what her intelligence, in that case, her duties would have related *solely* to her areas of expertise. Somebody else would have been doing administration, etc. When Colonel Masters is killed, it does seem that Tricia takes over his responsibilities - she occupies his desk, she takes command. She is, IMHO, obviously his deputy - not just there because of her special talents, but also 2IC. The Army would be *highly* unlikely to have her in that position if she didn't have the intelligence it required - instead, some Captain (there are a *lot* of them) would have been slotted in to take command with her advising him on any special issues. Or, even if, for some really unusual reason, she was left in command (maybe because they are worried about offending her) a competent officer would have been assigned as an aide, virtually glued to her shoulder. Her being pretty certainly wouldn't have had anything to do with it (-8 Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. 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(Just ask my friends about the times when I accidentally break into a physics lecture.) -- trinalin =A92000 ACME Page Fillers, Inc. http://www.pagefillers.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: gifted Date: 03 May 2000 22:43:47 EDT In a message dated 00-05-03 21:48:43 EDT, you write: << Who else would you want to teach your kids? Someone who's gifted, or someone who's dumb as a brick? >> Ahh, but why does it have to be either? WHy can't it be someone who is in between? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rhoboat@juno.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 03 May 2000 19:52:01 -0700 Hi, I've been lurking here for a few months now, and I guess a survey is a good way to introduce myself. Rho 1) Male/Female? Female 2) Where do you live? San Francisco, CA, USA 3) Age? 19 4) Highest academic degree? Finishing 2nd year college 5) Area of studies / occupation? Integrative Biology (or Molecular & Cell Bio, I haven't decided yet) at UC BerZERkeley I also just interviewed at a staffing agency. If I'm lucky, I might get placed somewhere cool for a summer job like an Internet start-up. 6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?) ? Yeah, I guess, but not that much higher than average. 7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? Mostly introvert. I actually don't mind being alone. 8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or did you consider yourself to be popular as a child? Different, yes. And not very popular. 9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided Undecided, though I may have had experiences that point to a "maybe." 10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? 12 (Heck, I was hooked _before_ watching TP from reading a magazine article in Entertainment Weekly in '93. I still have the article. ) 11) What did you see first (OS or NS)? NS 12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? N/A (But I'm hoping to get some OS eps soon.) 13) Favorite OS episode? N/A 14) Favorite NS episode? Rameses Connection 15) Worst OS episode? N/A 16) Worst NS episode? Monsoon Man (but even that had its moments) 17) Favorite OS TP? N/A 18) Favorite NS TP? Megabyte, for his personality 19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch children's cartoons and teen TV shows? Yes, and I'm not ashamed to admit it. 20) Other than TP, favorite TV show(s) /books? ANIME, including but not limited to: Escaflowne, Macross (orig. and Plus), Miyazaki/Studiio Ghibli TV: Buffy/Angel, Highlander, Red Dwarf, X-Files, Roswell, Batman Beyond, ST: TNG (back in middle school, anyway) Books: Patricia Kennealy Morrison's Keltiad series, William Goldman's _The Princess Bride_, Zahn's Star Wars trilogy, Shakespeare's Hamlet, ooh, and so much more. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darryl Gillikin" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 03 May 2000 20:02:23 PDT 1) Male/Female? Male 2) Where do you live? Radford, Virginia 3) Age? 24 4) Highest academic degree? Associates, Liberal Arts 5) Area of studies / occupation? Theatre 6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?)? Yes 7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? Very much an introvert, unless comfortable with those around me. 8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or did you consider yourself to be popular as a child? Quite different 9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided Yes 10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? Hooked? Around 19. First saw, around 5. 11) What did you see first (OS or NS)? OS 12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? NS, barely. 13) Favorite OS episode? Secret Weapon 14) Favorite NS episode? Living Stones 15) Worse OS episode? "A Man for Emily" 16) Worse NS episode? Monsoon Man (close second to AMfE for worst TP story period, IMHO) 17) Favorite OS TP? Probably Stephen 18) Favorite NS TP? Jade (Adam a close second) 19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and teen TV shows? I don't miss Extreme Ghostbusters in the morning unless I have to work. :) 20) Other than TP, favorite TV show(s) /books? Doctor Who Angel The Avengers Forever Knight Red Dwarf Star Trek (OS, seasons 1-2) Buffy (seasons 1-3) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Nolan Subject: TPDIS: Survey Buffy ? Date: 04 May 2000 13:01:34 +1000 Any one notice just how many people watch buffy and angel on this list ?? cheers tony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RSorgen@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 03 May 2000 23:41:27 EDT I'm also coming out of "lurk-mode" for this one -- a 2-year-long lurk mode, at that! > 1) Male/Female? > Female > 2) Where do you live? > Los Angeles, CA > 3) Age? > 26 > 4) Highest academic degree? > B.F.A. -- currently working on my J.D. (from Theatre to Law -- don't ask!) > 5) Area of studies / occupation? > Law Student > 6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?) ? > I did before law school -- LOL > 7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? > Depends. > 8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or did you > consider yourself to be popular as a child? > I never really thought about it. I was kind of introspective and lived in my own world -- I really didn't care! > 9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided > Undecided. > 10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? > Don't remember > 11) What did you see first (OS or NS)? > OS -- but the memory is vague... > 12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? > NS, but only because I don't remember much of the OS > 13) Favorite OS episode? > N/A > 14) Favorite NS episode? > Ramses Connection > 15) Worse OS episode? > N/A > 16) Worse NS episode? > Monsoon Man > 17) Favorite OS TP? > N/A > 18) Favorite NS TP? > Adam > 19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and teen TV > shows? > Not really. But I would if the put Danger Mouse back on the air! > 20) Other than TP, favorite TV show(s) /books? > > TV Shows: Buffy (but NOT Angel!), Roswell, Charmed, The West Wing...but I don't really have time for TV anymore :( Books: The Fountainhead, The Phantom Tollbooth (an old favorite from my childhood!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jane starr Subject: RE: TPDIS: Survey Date: 03 May 2000 22:53:33 -0600 >1) Male/Female? Female >2) Where do you live? Edmonton, Alberta, Canada >3) Age? What is the answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and Everything? >4) Highest academic degree? Masters in Library Science >5) Area of studies / occupation? full time librarian (cataloguer) and part-time art director for a small SF magazine >6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?) ? yes, but I could be wrong. I'm certainly not a lot above average :) >7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? Introvert, mostly, but it depends on the company and my mood. >8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or did you >consider yourself to be popular as a child? yes, I felt different, and I didn't consider myself popular but I did have some good friends. >9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided Yes >10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? 16 or 17 >11) What did you see first (OS or NS)? OS >12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? OS, but mainly because I know it better and I was around the same age as the characters when I discovered it. >13) Favorite OS episode? Doomsday men. 14) Favorite NS episode? n/a - haven't seen any but Origin all the way through. I liked it well enough I will watched more if given the opportunity. >15) Worse OS episode? A man for Emily >16) Worse NS episode? n/a - see above >17) Favorite OS TP? John >18) Favorite NS TP? n/a >19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and teen TV >shows? selected ones, on the rare occasions I have time. Teen tv only if it is SF or fantasy. >20) Other than TP, favorite TV show(s) /books? TV = Hamish MacBeth, Babylon 5, Buffy, Angel, Red Dwarf, Dr. Who, assorted Treks, Due South, the Avengers, This Hour Has 22 Minutes, Royal Canadian Air Farce. I've probably forgotten a few. Books = Lois McMaster Bujold, Terry Pratchett, Robert Sawyer, Guy Gavriel Kay, Sparkle Hayter, Barbara Hambly, Jane Austen, Dorothy L. Sayers, Jo Bannister, Diane Duane, JK Rowling, Arthur Ransome, Tanya Huff, Elizabeth Peters (I'm trying to come up with an Amelia Peabody/OS TP crossover :) ), Charles De Lint, JRR Tolkien... I could go on, but Wendy would have to bounce me off the list for exceeding the message size limit. I'm a reader (hello, my name is Jane, and I'm a biblioholic...). I'm on a mystery binge right now, but I'll read pretty much anything in the SF or Fantasy or Mystery genres, plus selected other odds and ends. About the only thing I hardly ever read is non-fiction (except gardening books, home decorating books and cookbooks). Jane Jane Starr starr@planet.eon.net Edmonton, Alberta, Canada check out the ON SPEC web page at www.icomm.ca/onspec/ and 2001: A Book Odyssey - The Strathearn School Millennium Project at www.icomm.ca/strath2k/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dra. Ana Isabel Sacristan R." (by way of Ana Isabel Sacristan ) Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 04 May 2000 00:48:27 -0600 >1) Male/Female? Female >2) Where do you live? Mexico City, Mexico >3) Age? 36 >4) Highest academic degree? PhD >5) Area of studies / occupation? Maths / Assistant Professor: research on the use of computers and new technologies in Math Education >6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?) ? Yes >7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? Introvert, although I've learned to overcome it. Extrovert when I feel comfortable among good friends. >8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or did you >consider yourself to be popular as a child? Different, a bit of an outsider. Still am. > >9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided Yes >10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? Around 10. > >11) What did you see first (OS or NS)? OS. >12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? Never seen the NS. >13) Favorite OS episode? Doomsday Men (Honorable mentions: The Medusa Strain, Secret Weapon) >14) Favorite NS episode? N/A >15) Worse OS episode? Living Skins >16) Worse NS episode? N/A >17) Favorite OS TP? Stephen!!! >18) Favorite NS TP? N/A >19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and teen TV >shows? When I do watch TV, I do prefer young people's shows. >20) Other than TP, favorite TV show(s) /books? I should have added films, too. Films: Star Wars (Episodes 4-6): I am as much a fan of the Star Wars trilogy as I am of the TP. I like in particular the Force and the Jedi Knights. TV Shows: I don't watch many shows, but I do like Highlander, Quantum Leap (and sometimes Charmed) Books: Difficult decision. Among the books/authors that come to mind: Tolkien's "Lord of Rings"; Isabel Allende's "House of Spirits"; C.S. Lewis; Shakespeare. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ana Isabel Sacristan Subject: RE: TPDIS: gifted Date: 04 May 2000 00:46:18 -0600 At 11:41 04/05/00 +1000, you wrote: >> From: CMento6653@aol.com [mailto:CMento6653@aol.com] >> >> Step's inventions are only from the novels, given they are >> written by Roger >> (?) they are probably canon but what did Stephen invent in >> the TV series? Not >> much if anything. I do seem to recall, I think in Doomsday Men, that Stephen mentions he has done some adjustments to the Matter Transporter. It may not be an invention, but even early in the series, in the Medusa Strain, Stephen is already having the initiative of trying to take photographs in Hyperspace, something that John says nobody has been able to do. Liz is a teacher, no offense but if she >> were smarter, she's >> be something else. I TOTALLY disagree there. The TOP student in my highschool class, someone everyone though would go for a Nobel Prize since she was SO intelligent, decided she preferred to raise a family and became a secondary school teacher. Also, I do consider myself to be above average, and I did get a PhD, but the thing I always wanted to be was a teacher, and it is the part of my work I enjoy the most. And I still think of Liz as the wisest of all the TP. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ana Isabel Sacristan Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 04 May 2000 00:44:29 -0600 Wow! I've counted 24 answers to the survey so far. I'll wait until next week before putting together the results. But so far, it seems Shaun was right: the TP seem to appeal to people with above average intelligence who felt different to their peers growing up. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Nolan Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 04 May 2000 17:28:04 +1000 Hi Jane, AS i used to be an librarian, i could help but have a look at the website. Its great to see a site that states that the real millennium starts at the end of this year. Congrats Tony The question of which year is the first year of the new millennium depends on the numbering of the first year A.D. Based on the Gregorian calendar created in Rome in the year 526, the sequence of years goes from 1 B.C. to 1 A.D., with no year "zero" in between. This means that the first year of the first millennium is A.D. 1; a thousand years later, the second millennium arrived on January 1, 1001. The third millennium therefore technically starts on January 1, 2001. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Trina L. Short" Subject: Re: TPDIS: gifted Date: 04 May 2000 06:41:04 -0400 CMento6653@aol.com wrote: >=20 > In a message dated 00-05-03 21:48:43 EDT, you write: >=20 > << Who else would you want to teach your > kids? Someone who's gifted, or someone who's dumb as a brick? > >> >=20 > Ahh, but why does it have to be either? WHy can't it be someone who is = in > between? It can be, no problem there. But don't assume that there are no gifted teachers out there. I've met a few in my time. They certainly aren't in the business for the money and could get considerably more outside of the teaching field, but they've decided that they prefer to teach. -- trinalin =A92000 ACME Page Fillers, Inc. http://www.pagefillers.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tassierilla@juno.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 04 May 2000 07:14:43 -0400 > > 1) Male/Female? Female > 2) Where do you live? New York. (No not the city! About the middle of the state!!) > > 3) Age? 16 > 4) Highest academic degree? Does graduating from elementary school count?? > 5) Area of studies / occupation? Wow, how do i answer this one...I'm taking way too many math courses, and Advanced Placement biology next year. High school stuff. > 6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?) ? Yes, but that's a long story. > 7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? Introvert, definately. > > 8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or > did you > consider yourself to be popular as a child? I still consider myself different from my peers..and as a child (i'm still kinda a child...) I wasn't even close to popular. > 9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided Yes! > > 10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? Um...it was either 11 or 12 (i think) > > 11) What did you see first (OS or NS)? NS > > 12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? NS > > 13) Favorite OS episode? Haven't seen any! > > 14) Favorite NS episode? Ramses Connection > > 15) Worse OS episode? see 13 > > 16) Worse NS episode? Moonsoon Man > > 17) Favorite OS TP? I really don't know.... > > 18) Favorite NS TP? Jade > > 19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and > teen TV > shows? > > 20) Other than TP, favorite TV show(s) /books? TV: Buffy, Angel, South Park, Drew Carey show, Whose Line is it Anyway, Hollywood Squares Books: Time of the Twins, X-Wing: Rogue Squadron, Acorna, and anything in the Dragonrider's of Pern series. > > > Sarah "May the Force be with you!" "There's always a bigger fish"~Qui-Gon Jinn "It's not wise to upset a wookie" ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ruby Red Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 04 May 2000 20:11:10 +1000 Okay, since everyone seems to be answering this survey on-list, I guess I will too. On Wed, May 03, 2000 at 02:34:19AM -0600, Ana Isabel Sacristan wrote: > 1) Male/Female? Female > 2) Where do you live? Melbourne, Victoria, Australia but we moved a heck of a lot when I was a kid (academic's kid) > 3) Age? 34 > 4) Highest academic degree? BSc (Hons.) (Comp. Sci) > > 5) Area of studies / occupation? Software Engineer > 6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?) ? Yes, ma'am. > 7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? Introvert, but in small groups of friends you wouldn't know it, especially if I laugh. > 8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or did you > consider yourself to be popular as a child? Different and definitely *not* popular. > 9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided Mostly no. Not as such. Things that people would explain as psychic powers I would explain as spiritual encounters. But, as someone else said, we can dream. > 10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? Early teens. > 11) What did you see first (OS or NS)? OS > 12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? either > 13) Favorite OS episode? Hmmm, toss up between Blue and Green, Dirtiest Business and Into The Unknown > 14) Favorite NS episode? origin story > 15) Worse OS episode? Toss up between A Man For Emily and Hitlers Last Secret > 16) Worse NS episode? Culex. I actually liked Lucy in Monsoon Man. > 17) Favorite OS TP? Liz > 18) Favorite NS TP? Adam or Ami > 19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and teen TV > shows? If they're SF. For one thing, the only SF that gets produced in Australia is Children's SF. > 20) Other than TP, favorite TV show(s) /books? Lots! Just look at my web page! Um, short version... TV: Blake's 7, Highlander, Doctor Who, VR.5, Sapphire & Steel (and yeah, I like Buffy too) (and Stargate, and SAAB and Robotech and The Sentinel and...) Books: many SF & F authors... Lois McMaster Bujold, Gillian Bradshaw, Cordwainer Smith, John Wyndham, Diana Wynne Jones (I'm not afraid to *read* teen novels either), G. K. Chesterton, Lewis and Tolkien (of course!), Asimov, Bester, Zenna Henderson... and I'd better stop. Non-SF - Jane Austen, Georgette Heyer -- Ruby Red http://www.foobox.net/~kat http://www.crosswinds.net/~rubykat "Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas any more." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lindsay-Day@webtv.net (Lindsay Tice) Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 04 May 2000 08:52:01 -0400 (EDT) 1) Male/Female? Female 2) Where do you live? Maine 3) Age? 24 4) Highest academic degree? Bachelor's 5) Area of studies / occupation? Writer 6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?) ? yes 7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? introvert 8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or did you consider yourself to be popular as a child? Different 9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided YES 10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? 16 11) What did you see first (OS or NS)? NS 12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? NS 13) Favorite OS episode? None 14) Favorite NS episode? The first one 15) Worse OS episode? None 16) Worse NS episode? Ramses Connection 17) Favorite OS TP? John 18) Favorite NS TP? Adam 19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and teen TV shows? Yes 20) Other than TP, favorite TV show(s) /books? X-Files, Other sci fi stuff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Matott" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Buffy ? Date: 04 May 2000 06:09:51 PDT > >Any one notice just how many people watch buffy and angel on this list ?? > Makes me feel safer about posting my TP/Buffy crossover in a few weeks. I'd add a number of votes for Trek franchise and Roswell. Did anyone notice how many of the shows were sci-fi? mike ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott S. Goldman" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 04 May 2000 09:13:11 -0400 >1) Male/Female? Male >2) Where do you live? Albany, NY >3) Age? 37 >4) Highest academic degree? High School >5) Area of studies / occupation? Computers/Theatre Owner >6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?) ? Yes >7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? Extrovert >8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or did you >consider yourself to be popular as a child? Different >9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided if I say no will this prevent my breaking out? >10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? 18 >11) What did you see first (OS or NS)? OS >12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? OS >13) Favorite OS episode? hmmmm... Blueand the Green >14) Favorite NS episode? Origin Story >15) Worse OS episode? A man for emily... sorry, I know some of you love it! >16) Worse NS episode? Monsoon man... gotta love col. cobb! >17) Favorite OS TP? Tie.. John/Liz >18) Favorite NS TP? Adam >19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and teen TV >shows? Yes, i live on them >20) Other than TP, favorite TV show(s) /books? Star trek (all but ds9) Hitchikers guide, any Asimov, real science books ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "nossaune" Date: 04 May 2000 08:08:19 -0600 <3.0.6.32.20000503023419.00894460@enigma.red.cinvestav.mx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mim.mandic.com.br id CAA17318 Sender: owner-tpdis@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tpdis > 1) Male/Female? Male > > 2) Where do you live? S=E3o Paulo, Brazil > > 3) Age? 33 > > 4) Highest academic degree? Going to finish graduation > > 5) Area of studies / occupation? > Studying linguistic and working as web designer > 6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?) ? I don't consider IQ :-) > > 7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? Introvert > > 8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or did you > consider yourself to be popular as a child? > > 9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided > > 10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? I cant remember it. But I was young when I saw the OS. > > 11) What did you see first (OS or NS)? I just saw the OS. NS was never on air in Brazil > > 12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? See 11... > > 13) Favorite OS episode? I don't remember the name... :-( > > 14) Favorite NS episode? -------- > > 15) Worse OS episode? I don't know.... in fact, I heve just some memories in images, I have a strong "emotional" memory on how important the show was to me, but the better info I have is from the episode guides... :-) > > 16) Worse NS episode? -------- > > 17) Favorite OS TP? John > > 18) Favorite NS TP? ----------------- > > 19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and teen= TV > shows? Yes. > > 20) Other than TP, favorite TV show(s) /books? Star Trek, Dark Skies, X Files, Roswell, Buffy, Angel, Due South, Scoop, Chicago Hope, Ally , The Practise.... I work at home, ALL DAY at computer and watching TV... :-) Books: Anything written by Tolkien, Brzilian and French (Quebec aussi...) literature Evearl Rimbald ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeffe Boats" Subject: Re: TPDIS: gifted Date: 04 May 2000 15:19:45 EDT Trina is hitting on something important here. So forgive me, but I'm about to go into teaching mode and educate some people. >It can be, no problem there. But don't assume that there are no gifted >teachers out there. I've met a few in my time. They certainly aren't >in the business for the money and could get considerably more outside of >the teaching field, but they've decided that they prefer to teach. I was a gifted child, particularly in the areas of mathematics and science. At nine, I was constructing complete proofs of theorems about mathematics principles, which I later discovered, in my teen years, had already been proven centuries before by the Pythagoreans, Bayes, and other famous mathematicians. My IQ fluctuates with mood, between 140 and 180. Various guidance councilors and psychologists told me and my parents, repeatedly, throughout my childhood, that I could basically succeed at any career I chose. I chose teaching. It's all I've ever wanted to do. I've taught math at several colleges, and also a bit of physics and astronomy. It just never seems to dawn on some people that most teachers REALLY ENJOY what they do, and that most CHOOSE the career. It's an honorable profession, and I leave work each day knowing I've accomplished something good and helped people, which is more than a lot of 9-to-5'ers can say. Over the years I've begun to find it rather amusing that people think teaching is a job for the unskilled. Some poeple think teachers took their jobs because they couldn't get anything "better." To that I say, what do you mean by "better?" Do you mean better paying? Teachers in public school systems make quite a bit of money in most places, especially cities. This is due to teachers' unions. After a high school teacher has received tenure and ben in the system for ten or so years, they often make more than assistant professors! Do you mean better benefits? Teachers receive the usual job benefits, referring to medical, dental, and all that. And on top of that, I have three more words for you ... June, July, August. :) Do you mean better as in "more prestigious?" I know a lot of prestigious people, and most of them bore the hell out of me. They isolate themselves, and then can't seem to understand why they have trouble in social situations relating to the rest of us. Teachers, however, relate to their students every day. We take a lot of crap from students sometimes, which is probably one of the reasons some people think teaching is a second-class job. They can't imagine how they would deal with such students themselves, so it goes right over their heads that some of us can accept it, deal with it, and help the students regardless. You see, teaching is all about communication. It's a higher form of communication that most are used to, because a teacher is reaching into a student's mind and opening it to new ideas. And what a lot of folks don't realize is that the teacher is also constantly learning in the classroom. I'm surprised more TP fans don't turn out to be teachers -- devoting their lives to helping people -- it seems a very natural way for us non-telepaths to emulate the TP. Class dismissed. :P -Jeffe ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jackie Clark Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 04 May 2000 22:47:47 +0100 I've been looking at the locations of you all and managed to plan a great world tour as my next holiday lol... I'll pop over just as soon as I fix my jaunting belt! > 1) Male/Female? > Female > 2) Where do you live? Croydon, England > > 3) Age? > 38 > 4) Highest academic degree? BA Hons and post grad teaching cert. > > 5) Area of studies / occupation? Psychology Lecturer. Yes yet another teacher! How many is that now? > > 6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?) ? Maybe a little, I have good imagination and lateral thinking if that counts. > > 7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? fifty fifty depending upon the people I'm with. > > 8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or did you > consider yourself to be popular as a child? Yes different in many ways. I had and still do have just a small circle of close friends. > > 9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided Yes, but I've become more sceptical in recent years. > > 10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? 11 > > 11) What did you see first (OS or NS)? > OS > 12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? OS > > 13) Favorite OS episode? Secret Weapon > > 14) Favorite NS episode? Origin as this is the only one I recall in any detail. > > 15) Worse OS episode? Thargon Menace > > 16) Worse NS episode? Cannot say > > 17) Favorite OS TP? Stephen for looks, John and Liz for character. > > 18) Favorite NS TP? Megabyte. > > 19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and teen TV > shows? I love Sabrina and old Tom and Jerry. Does the Simpsons count? > > 20) Other than TP, favorite TV show(s) /books? Star Trek, most sci-fi shows. But definitely NOT Buffy! (Jackie Ducks) Books: Anything and everything by R.A.H. Heinlein, Arthur C. Clarke, Orson Scot-Card and John Wyndum. I am also partial to murder mysteries. Jackie -- http://www.effdee.demon.co.uk/manyarner/Homepg2000.html "May your senses be enlightened and your dreams be fulfilled." Traditional Manyarnern Greeting ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AgentRacerX@cs.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: surveys Date: 04 May 2000 17:56:06 EDT In a message dated 5/1/00 8:41:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CMento6653@aol.com writes: > the double decker rooftop ride scene I'd have to give this one my vote. Usually I can at least laugh at these things, but it was simply too horrifically bad. -Nicole ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Latimer84@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Buffy ? Date: 04 May 2000 18:01:04 EDT In a message dated 00-05-03 23:06:56 EDT, you write: > Any one notice just how many people watch buffy and angel on this list ?? A lot of people also watch anime (Japanese animation), too. -Geoff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Buffy ? Date: 04 May 2000 20:39:04 EDT I do. Watch BUFFY n ANGEL but then again I also watch and like almost every other fantasy/sci fi/horror series with continuing characters too. LAND OF THE GIANTS EARTH 2 LOST IN SPACE VOYAGERS VOYAGE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA SPACE: 1999 BEASTMASTER AMAZON RELIC HUNTER TIME TUNNEL XENA mostly in the early years FARSCAPE CLEOPATRA 2525 VIP (!) FRIDAY THE 13TH THE SERIES BEAUTY AND THE BEAST TARZAN in any form ARK II SPELLBINDER OCEAN GIRL SO WERID THE NIGHTSTALKER and on and on... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rebecca E Thompson Subject: Re: TPDIS: surveys Date: 04 May 2000 21:50:31 -0400 Ooh, I forgot about Lucy (I think I blocked her out.:) ) There can be no worse mistake than Lucy. Second is having Jade break out. Not ALL of the tp's friends should become tommorow people. Ellenore (Slack slack slack...What care I for finals and my grades? ) > >> What, in your opinion, was the worst thing that the TP writers > did, in > >>either series > > Hmm, a tie between Colonel Cobb and spunky reporter Lucy blanking on > whether or not that was her name> in Monsoon Man. > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rebecca E Thompson Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 04 May 2000 21:55:45 -0400 *grin* Yep. I just always thought the other kids weren't trying very hard or they were paying attention to something else that I was completely missing out on. :) I never thought I was smarter per se, I just thought I was freakish and that for some reason I liked stuff that no one else did. Ellenore > > I'm modest so I don't like to say it, but yeah. (I want to bring > something > up that some of the other bright people on the list might be able to > relate > to. I never saw myself as special or really intelligent growing up > and in > many ways still don't. That resulted in me having a hard time > understanding > why other kids couldn't understand things as quickly as I did or why > they > had a hard time reading things that I enjoyed reading. Did anyone > else have > similar experiences?) > > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darryl Gillikin" Subject: Re: TPDIS: surveys Date: 04 May 2000 19:23:02 PDT >Second is having Jade break out. Not ALL of the >tp's friends should become tommorow people. And besides Jade, how many did? Darryl ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rebecca E Thompson Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 04 May 2000 21:42:56 -0400 Ok, my answers are below each question. :) > > 1) Male/Female? female > > 2) Where do you live? The United States. Specificaly Athens, GA. > > 3) Age? 19 > > 4) Highest academic degree? I'm working on my bachelor's in psychology. > > 5) Area of studies / occupation? Psychology, specifically clinical (hopefully). I'm also going for my women's studies certificate. > > 6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?) ? When I consider myself, it's with above average intelligence that I do it. :) > > 7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? I'm completely situational. If everyone around me is an introvert I'm an extrovert and vice versa. > > 8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or > did you > consider yourself to be popular as a child? Ha! I wish!:) > > 9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided I believe in psychic abilities in a general sense, but I am very skeptical of people who claim to have them. > > 10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? I was about 12 or 13. > > 11) What did you see first (OS or NS)? NS > > 12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? Though I love the old series, I've gotta say the new series is better. > > 13) Favorite OS episode? The Blue and the Green > > 14) Favorite NS episode? Origin Story > > 15) Worse OS episode? A Man for Emily > > 16) Worse NS episode? The Doomsday Machine > > 17) Favorite OS TP? Stephen > > 18) Favorite NS TP? Lisa, then Adam > > 19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and > teen TV > shows? Yes. *hangs head in shame* (But they can be so clever!) > > 20) Other than TP, favorite TV show(s) /books? Hmm...TV show is currently Buffy the Vampire Slayer/Kids in the Hall and book is either the Handmaid's Tale or 1984 > OK, another question that I'm just generally interested about that relates to number 9: Did any of you have an unusually strong interest in parapsychology and related subjects when you were kids? If so, was it before you saw the Tommorow People or afterwards? I remember that from 3rd to 5th grade I checked out every single book in our county library on ESP, ghosts, aliens, etc. (The ESP stuff got me interested in psychology.) I think I really became addicted to the new series tp when Megabyte showed a similiar interest in the Origin Story. Did anyone have a similiar experience? Ellenore ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rebecca E Thompson Subject: Re: TPDIS: surveys Date: 04 May 2000 22:28:18 -0400 Ami and Megabyte broke out. The only tp friend who DIDN'T break out was Lucy. *breathes a sigh of relief* Ellenore > And besides Jade, how many did? > > Darryl > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com > > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rebecca E Thompson Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 04 May 2000 22:34:49 -0400 Aww, c'mon! You guys remember the doomsday machine, don't ya? It was the one with that chick and that guy? And there was this mad scientists? And it had tommorow people in it? And Lucy killed Kevin and Lisa because she was part of an evil military operation? And we found out that General Damon was not Megabyte's father but Megabyte's mother? And they were all chased by the giant green chickens with a...doomsday machine? C'mon, I can't believe you guys don't remember that! :) Ellenore (Can I change my answer on the intelligence question? :) ) (I was thinking of Monsoon Man, BTW) > > 14) Worst OS episode? > The Doomsday Machine > > > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Nolan Subject: Re: TPDIS:Friends Date: 05 May 2000 12:57:05 +1000 Hi Do I rememebr in the first series, that some of the friends, were fitted with some type of device they could wear, and they had some limited TP powers, when they wore that. Or have I got it wrong ?? cheers tony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ruby Red Subject: Re: TPDIS: gifted Date: 05 May 2000 07:56:26 +1000 On Thu, May 04, 2000 at 03:19:45PM -0400, Jeffe Boats wrote: > It just never seems to dawn on some people that most teachers REALLY > ENJOY what they do, and that most CHOOSE the career. It's an honorable > profession, and I leave work each day knowing I've accomplished something > good and helped people, which is more than a lot of 9-to-5'ers can say. > Over the years I've begun to find it rather amusing that people think > teaching is a job for the unskilled. > > Some poeple think teachers took their jobs because they couldn't get > anything "better." To that I say, what do you mean by "better?" Something with more money, and more respect. At least in Australia, the attitude *is* that if you're too stupid to get into the prestigious courses like medicine and science, you do a BA (Dip. Ed.) and become a teacher. That was the attitude when I was at uni, and I doubt very much that it has changed. In Germany, teachers are treated with respect. In Australia, they are not. > Do you mean better paying? Teachers in public school systems make > quite a bit of money in most places, especially cities. This is due to > teachers' unions. After a high school teacher has received tenure and ben > in the system for ten or so years, they often make more than assistant > professors! Teachers here in Australia are *not* well-paid. Whenever the government wants to save money, one of the first things they do is cut the education budget. Tenure for High School teachers? What's that? The only thing that seems to change is more work for the same amount of pay. More time wasted doing administration instead of teaching. (My boss used to be a university professor. He got out because they required him to be an administrator instead of a researcher/teacher. I doubt that's changed either.) If people actually *cared* about their kids, they'd treat teachers with more respect. But they don't. All that said, I'd divide teachers into two groups - those who do it because there's "nothing better", and those who put up with all the crap because it's their vocation. (As one of my friends has for many years... though she's thinking of getting out too). One of my favourite teachers was very unsual - she had a PhD. My chemistry teacher. But that was a private school, so they probably paid more to get better teachers. But teaching was obviously her vocation, because with a PhD, she could have gotten work in her field just as easily. > I'm surprised more TP fans don't turn out to be teachers -- devoting their > lives to helping people -- it seems a very natural way for us non-telepaths > to emulate the TP. (dryly) Teaching isn't the only way to devote one's life to helping people. I happen to serve people by writing computer programs - darned good ones. Not everyone is the same, you know. Kathryn Andersen -- Ruby Red http://www.foobox.net/~kat http://www.crosswinds.net/~rubykat "Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas any more." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kristy Fahrenwald" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 04 May 2000 23:10:35 CDT >Psychology Lecturer. Yes yet another teacher! How many is that now? Quite a few... maybe our challenger should have taken a quick count before he/she ("No offense") called us dummies. I always love when folks say 'no offense' before saying something so clearly meant to place the majority of the group they are not offending in demeaning category. :) Kristy ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darryl Gillikin" Subject: Re: TPDIS: surveys Date: 04 May 2000 21:30:52 PDT >Ami and Megabyte broke out. The only tp friend who DIDN'T break out was >Lucy. *breathes a sigh of relief* Ami wasn't a friend. Ami didn't know the TPs until she started breaking out, and her breaking out was the only reason she ever did get to know them. Darryl ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: gifted Date: 05 May 2000 14:42:06 +1000 The thing is - plenty of people have chosen to teach because it's something they *want* to do. They could do 'better' by many measures - but why should they. I could easily get a job earning twice what I currently am - I've been offered them. But I'd hate them, so I don't take them. Plenty of people make these kinds of choices. Whether Liz could have done something better paid, or more prestigious or whatever, she may have chosen not to because she wants to teach - even after she becomes a TP, and is basically free of any need to have a job, she chooses to continue teaching - she talks to TIM about this. This isn't something she is doing because she has to. But because she wants to. It's more than a job to her - evidence by going to see the injured boy in 'The Blue and The Green' because while it's not part of her job, it's something she feels she needs to do to be a good teacher. Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ana Isabel Sacristan Subject: Re: TPDIS:Friends Date: 05 May 2000 02:15:03 -0600 At 12:57 05/05/00 +1000, Tony wrote: > > >Hi > >Do I rememebr in the first series, that some of the friends, were fitted >with some type of device they could wear, and they had some limited TP >powers, when they wore that. > >Or have I got it wrong ?? No. It is the matter transporter that I referred to in an earlier post and which IIRC Stephen built or redesigned (cannot remember very well). Ana ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Horrocks, Elizabeth" Subject: RE: TPDIS: gifted Date: 05 May 2000 09:52:55 -0400 -The thing is - plenty of people have chosen to teach because it's something they *want* to do. They could do 'better' by many measures - but why should they. I could easily get a job earning twice what I currently am - I've been offered them. But I'd hate them, so I don't take them. Plenty of people make these kinds of choices. Exactly! What you do in life has more to do with determination and personality. I have a friend who's in med school and has to work her tail off to be there, but that's all she's every wanted to do, so she does it. Another friend, who is smarter then I could ever hope to be, dropped out of high school to build theatre sets and lives paycheck to paycheck... but he loves it and that's all he's ever wanted to do. I guess I'm saying that I just don't think we should judge intelligence by what one does for a living... Just like you never judge it on what social class someone's in or how many degree's someone has... -It's an honorable profession, and I leave work each day knowing I've accomplished something good and helped people, which is more than a lot of 9-to-5'ers can say. I agree that teachers should get a lot more respect then they do and that ALL kinds of people choose it as a career regardless of intelligence, but (as a current '9-5er')let's avoid belittling other people's profession while defending our own... *pats down ruffled feathers* -Betsy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gina Hussain" Subject: TPDIS: TPDIS members, age, and feeling different Date: 05 May 2000 12:10:08 MST I've noticed that there are a lot of TPDIS members who are in their 30's, and quite a few who are in their 40's. I was under the impression that most of the members were in the 20's (regular college age), although I'm a college student and am in my 40's. Another question I have is how many list members still feel that they are different from other people? I still do; there are very few people who like the same things I do (Thank God for the Internet, where I can meet more people like myself). Gina ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Nolan Subject: RE: TPDIS: gifted Date: 06 May 2000 07:32:39 +1000 yo !! Albert Einstien was a teacher at some point So was Michaeleo Angelo, Leonardio De Vinci, Newton, etc I love teaching, but now i do it on a one to one bases, or through writing text books, or websites. In a small way, we are all teachers at some point, in some way, and learning isnt jsut limited to school, thats why we ahve life long learning. Even the T.V show TP has messages, and educational perspectives in many of the episodes. I was watching early Blake 7 last night, and found many messages that were of an educational nature, but i dont think many people would have noticed them, just learnt them in the drama. Regards Tony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vivian Arney Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPDIS members, age, and feeling different Date: 05 May 2000 15:00:31 -0700 (PDT) On Fri, 05 May 2000 12:10:08 MST, tpdis@lists.xmission.com wrote: > I've noticed that there are a lot of TPDIS members who are in their 30's, > and quite a few who are in their 40's. I was under the impression that most > of the members were in the 20's (regular college age), although I'm a > college student and am in my 40's. > > Another question I have is how many list members still feel that they are > different from other people? I still do; there are very few people who like > the same things I do (Thank God for the Internet, where I can meet more > people like myself). Yeah, I've noticed that a lot of the people I've worked with over the years didn't have a clue about the things I'm interested in and I guess the feeling's mutual - most of the people I worked with in the hotel business were drunks, sex perverts, dopers or just plain stupid. I was SO glad to get out of that business. Here at Apple, though, I fit in a bit better, because most of the people here are into a lot of the same things I am and NOBODY thinks they're wierd at all. viv _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Nolan Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPDIS members, age, and feeling different Date: 06 May 2000 08:05:08 +1000 Hi Gina, I still do feel different, and I know many people who still do. I run a support / self help group for adult who are Gifted and or geniuses's. We dont have the restrictions of a hard and fast criteria, but its a discussion group for any one who feels differently to others and the general community. Has an interesting in thinking activities, and feels that the world doesn't understand their type of people, and they want a place where they can just chat with some one who feels the same way. Yes, Thank God for the Internet. On the list we have a range of people, from people brought back from a suicide focus because no one understood them and they were so alone, to people who help run Australia and some very big companies. A near complete range of people, some single and unwanted like me, others with large families. I believe I could associate and share experiences with almost any people who have sent in the survey, I have found I have so much in common with many of them, and over such a wide range. Ignoring the discussion on whether the TP were gifted or not, but just looking at the joy and the pain their must have been in being a TP. My IQ puts me off the scale, if you want a rough idea, there is one of me for every 1,000,000 people, and the majority of time i hate it, cause people always think your better than them ( thats if they know ), or you have to hide your true self cause people get jealous. If you want to share something with some one, like a kind of experience thats unique to the person you are, there aren't many around. Let alone a marriage type situation, etc. What appeals to me most about the TP, is how I see ( perhaps wishful thinking) them handle the same type of things. I can imagine a TP have to be secretive, having a few people that can really have a D&M with on some of their experiences. Often feeling alone, hunted, rejected cause they may have some different abilities to other people, but its not their fault, but they pay some cost. TP's just like the people on the gifted list also have a high sensitivity to morals and ethics, a sense of right and wrong. If the Tomorrow People will ever be real or just will remain fictional, you just have to look at the results of the surveys, and the way people have responded to each other, to see that there is still some positive benefits from even just being a fan of the TP, let alone just getting to know a great bunch of people on this list. Ok, i know enough from me now, I would just like to thank Shaun for introducing me to this list. Regards Tony Genius doesn't pay it costs !! PS SO just how many on this list aren't gifted ?? Answer - Prob..ly None At 12:10 PM 5/5/00 MST, you wrote: >I've noticed that there are a lot of TPDIS members who are in their 30's, >and quite a few who are in their 40's. I was under the impression that most >of the members were in the 20's (regular college age), although I'm a >college student and am in my 40's. > >Another question I have is how many list members still feel that they are >different from other people? I still do; there are very few people who like >the same things I do (Thank God for the Internet, where I can meet more >people like myself). > > Gina >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: TPDIS: DOCTOR WHO VS TP IN VERDIGRIS Date: 05 May 2000 19:30:13 EDT A new Doctor Who novel mericlessly rips off THE TOMORROW PEOPLE turning Tim into a TARDIS like entity and making JOhn and Stephen lackluster all the while flaming the production frailties of THE TP original show. The novels have gotten awful and this is one that I don't think we should sit down for! In addition they should be sued by whoever has the TP rights (of course after the book comes out cause if the do it before, we may never see it!). In the book, the Doctor has rivals called the children of destiny. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rhoboat@juno.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPDIS members, age, and feeling different Date: 05 May 2000 19:15:01 -0700 On Sat, 06 May 2000 08:05:08 +1000 Tony Nolan writes: Hi Tony, I'm gonna stop lurking again, and jump right on in if that's okay. << Yes, Thank God for the Internet.>> I concur. <> I myself am surprised to read about so many people here who share the same likes, experiences, etc., let alone TP. <> I've met people like you, and yeah, I'll be jealous for a little bit, but then, I'll come to my senses, and just be in awe. I'm pretty sure I have above average intelligence, but when I meet a true genius, I sometimes cannot help feeling rather small. But, then if that person I meet is friendly enough, there shouldn't be any problems afterward. Oh, to give you an idea of how smart one guy I've met is, back in high school, he was considered among the top 20 students in the US. He could of skipped, but he waited until college to do that. Basically jumped right into a PhD program in physics after high school. I guess he wanted some degree of a "normal" childhood. <> Yeah, it is kinda cool how people have responded to the TP. I never knew anyone else who liked the show, either incarnation, so this is all rather new to me. Rho ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jane starr Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 05 May 2000 23:09:35 -0600 At 05:28 PM 04/05/00 +1000, you wrote: >Hi Jane, > >AS i used to be an librarian, i could help but have a look at the website. > >Its great to see a site that states that the real millennium starts at the >end of this year. Thanks - that was part of our reasoning - the other part was that from when the project started there was no way we'd get it done by January 1 2000 :) Jane Jane Starr starr@planet.eon.net Edmonton, Alberta, Canada check out the ON SPEC web page at www.icomm.ca/onspec/ and 2001: A Book Odyssey - The Strathearn School Millennium Project at www.icomm.ca/strath2k/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Nolan Subject: Re: TPDIS: TPDIS members, age, and feeling different Date: 06 May 2000 15:27:20 +1000 Hi Rho, Nice to see you come out of lurking :-) Dont be in Awe, just be friends. If it helps here is an little insight. I used to play tennis with a guy names Rodney. If i played at my full ability, which he lost every game, Than I was being mean to Rodney, he told me so. If i played at his level, then i was being patranising to him, and being mean to him and he told me so. So, in the end I just could not win, with our hurting his feelings. I often wish I was just a TP, and I could Jaunt out of the place. Anyway, Nice to meet you even over this thing cheers tony >I've met people like you, and yeah, I'll be jealous for a little bit, but >then, >I'll come to my senses, and just be in awe. I'm pretty sure I have >above average intelligence, but when I meet a true genius, I sometimes >cannot help feeling rather small. But, then if that person I meet is >friendly enough, there shouldn't be any problems afterward. Oh, to give >you an idea of how smart one guy I've met is, back in high school, he was >considered among the top 20 students in the US. He could of skipped, >but he waited until college to do that. Basically jumped right into a >PhD >program in physics after high school. I guess he wanted some degree >of a "normal" childhood. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jackie Clark Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 06 May 2000 19:39:25 +0100 Rebecca E Thompson wrote: > I remember that from 3rd to 5th grade I checked out every single book > in our county library on ESP, ghosts, aliens, etc. (The ESP stuff got me > interested in psychology.) I think I really became addicted to the new > series tp when Megabyte showed a similiar interest in the Origin Story. > Did anyone have a similiar experience? > > Ellenore Yep you just described me! I announced my intention to become a parapsychologist to my family who all laughed... this was after seeing the first TP episode but long before the introduction of Prof. Cawston. I never quite made it but am a member of the SPR (Society for Psychical Research.) Jackie -- http://www.effdee.demon.co.uk/manyarner/Homepg2000.html "May your senses be enlightened and your dreams be fulfilled." Traditional Manyarnern Greeting ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jen Sulzer" Subject: RE: TPDIS: Survey Date: 06 May 2000 15:38:25 -0400 Me, too! I volunteered in the library to avoid the chaos my school called Study Hall, and I devoured those books! (Word of Advice: Be careful if you carry paranormal-type books around with your textbooks--I had some narrow escapes with girl bullies during elementary and middle school.) Jen (I also thank whoever's listening for the Internet--it's gone a long way towards making me feel like I belonged.) -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-tpdis@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jackie Clark Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 2:39 PM Rebecca E Thompson wrote: > I remember that from 3rd to 5th grade I checked out every single book > in our county library on ESP, ghosts, aliens, etc. (The ESP stuff got me > interested in psychology.) I think I really became addicted to the new > series tp when Megabyte showed a similiar interest in the Origin Story. > Did anyone have a similiar experience? > > Ellenore Yep you just described me! I announced my intention to become a parapsychologist to my family who all laughed... this was after seeing the first TP episode but long before the introduction of Prof. Cawston. I never quite made it but am a member of the SPR (Society for Psychical Research.) Jackie -- http://www.effdee.demon.co.uk/manyarner/Homepg2000.html "May your senses be enlightened and your dreams be fulfilled." Traditional Manyarnern Greeting ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Taylor Subject: Reading about ESP etc. (was Re: TPDIS: Survey) Date: 06 May 2000 21:35:40 +0100 I was reading various ESP books around the time of the OS. I can't remember whether I saw the TP before developing an interest in ESP (it was 27 years ago after all!). However, I remember reading a book about Matthew Manning that mentioned a 'ramp-function' pattern in his EEG and noting the similar description of a 'wedge-shaped pattern' in the TP's EEG in 'Secret Weapon' later. The other thing I remember daydreaming about around that time was teleportation involving hyperspace. Nothing. unusual you might think - except it was a month _before_ the first epsiode on the first series was shown! I tend to have the habit of making a mental note of odd coincidences in case they give some evidence of ESP. Anyone else have similar memories? -- Peter Taylor pjt.1@cableol.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gina Hussain" Subject: Re: Reading about ESP etc. (was Re: TPDIS: Survey) Date: 06 May 2000 14:04:24 MST >I was reading various ESP books around the time of the OS. I too did a lot of reading about ESP when I was a teenager(in the 70's). I also liked watching the TV show "The Sixth Sense" (about ESP). I was soooo sad when they canceled it. Gina ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: TPDIS: tv show THE SIXTH SENSE Date: 06 May 2000 17:27:39 EDT This series in its original form of one hour (not the butchered half hours ---- really 15 minutes with ads that run on NIGHT GALLERY) was quite good. It dealt with lots of ESP and seemed almost as if it could happen. It was also very scary! A seaweed covered car coming through the front window of a mansion, a drowned girl--in fact two drowned girls, ESP traps via Poe, a gesalt group attacking the main hero--a group of strong telepaths who linked to attack him, a plane adventure, lots of ghosts, etc and of course lots of telling about the future...starred Gary Collins. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Latimer84@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 06 May 2000 17:55:06 EDT In a message dated 5/6/2000 2:40:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk writes: > > I remember that from 3rd to 5th grade I checked out every single book > > in our county library on ESP, ghosts, aliens, etc. (The ESP stuff got me > > interested in psychology.) I think I really became addicted to the new > > series tp when Megabyte showed a similiar interest in the Origin Story. > > Did anyone have a similiar experience? > > > > Ellenore Whoa, so did I! In 5th grade, Arpi and I made a pseudo-club at my school (meaning not official and about 5 members) for Parapsychological Research. We just read books, IIRC =) -Geoff "Children should always listen to their elders, but not necessarily do what they say." --Linus Pauling ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David_M_Yates" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 07 May 2000 00:11:17 +0100 (gulp) here goes...... >OK. Since Wendy has also given her blessing, here is a proposed survey for >the list members. Some questions are the same as those in the Michael >Edmonds' survey from 1998. > >1) Male/Female? Male > >2) Where do you live? Cornwall, UK. > >3) Age? 36 > >4) Highest academic degree? Applied Theology > >5) Area of studies / occupation? Roman Catholic Priest > >6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?) ? I've never really thought about it. I guess I'm something of a late developer. > >7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? Moderately Extrovert > >8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or did you >consider yourself to be popular as a child? I suppose I always felt somewhat on the outside > >9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided Yes > >10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? When it first started here in the UK in 1973. I was....9 YO > >11) What did you see first (OS or NS)? 9 YO for OS 26 for NS > >12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? OS (But I like both.) > >13) Favourite OS episode? Secret Weapon > >14) Favourite NS episode? Ramasees Connection > >15) Worse OS episode? A Man for Emily > >16) Worse NS episode? Monsoon Man > >17) Favourite OS TP? Elizabeth, Stephen and Mike > >18) Favourite NS TP? Megabyte > >19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and teen TV >shows? Occasionally > >20) Other than TP, favourite TV show(s) /books? Star Trek, (Any Franchise) Virtually all SF/Fantasy shows EXCEPT Xena and Hercules. Ditto Books. (I'm reading "Battlefield Earth" at the moment in preparation for the film.) Hope that this helps. David. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David_M_Yates" Subject: Re: TPDIS: surveys Date: 06 May 2000 23:48:34 +0100 > What, in your opinion, was the worst thing that the TP writers did, in >either > series? >> Sorry to be so late with this one, I've been away for a few days. ORIGINAL SERIES: 1) The whole of "A Man for Emily" 2) Carol and Kenny 3) Ginge and Lefty 4) Hsui Tai. 5) Dropping Stephen and Tyso. 5) Timus and Tikno NEW SERIES: 1) That awful rooftop bus-ride in The Origin Story 2) Dropping Lisa after the O.St. 3) Jade. 4) Gloria and Professor Gault. (Galt??) 5) Byron Lucifer's Music!! (Someone in his Thirties speaking) 6) Colonel Cobb. Cheers for now! David. (Ducking for cover) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Nolan Subject: TPDIS: TP actors site Date: 07 May 2000 12:03:22 +1000 A Below is a movie / tv actors website , with lots of information on what else they acted in. this is the tomorrow people OS page http://us.imdb.com/Title?0069647 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rebecca E Thompson Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 07 May 2000 03:06:06 -0400 Really? I made a club too called "The Monster Club!" (Hey, no jokes about the name! The club was founded in 2nd grade. :) ) Everyone chose a particular monster or supernatural-related thing to become a specialist in. When you knew enough to be a specialist, you had to read a certain number of books on that monster per month and you had to give lectures to the other members. I moved from the Loch Ness monster to witches to ESP. It sounds kinda dorky now, but the club was really a lot of fun! Ellenore > > Whoa, so did I! In 5th grade, Arpi and I made a pseudo-club at my > school > (meaning not official and about 5 members) for Parapsychological > Research. We > just read books, IIRC =) > > -Geoff > "Children should always listen to their elders, but not necessarily > do what > they say." > > --Linus > Pauling > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott S. Goldman" Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP actors site Date: 07 May 2000 06:22:11 -0400 imdb is a great site but the have the os and ns series a bit mixed up... in the 'Memorable Quote" section, the have 1 ns quote and a dozen os quotes, but they are all on the ns page... Scott ( who couldn't live without www.imdb.com) At 12:03 PM 5/7/00 +1000, you wrote: >A > >Below is a movie / tv actors website , with lots of information on what >else they acted in. > >this is the tomorrow people OS page > >http://us.imdb.com/Title?0069647 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP actors site Date: 07 May 2000 12:18:47 EDT Just goes to show that the TP Nick Young was NOT in the GIRL WITH SOMETHING EXTRA tv series. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Beth A Epstein Subject: Tricia WAS:Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 07 May 2000 13:54:53 -0500 Michael Matott wrote: > > >From: "Jeffe Boats" > > 17b) FAVORITE OS villian(s)? That part-telepathic woman who > >assists in the capture of the Tomorrow People in "Secret Weapon," her name > >eludes me at the moment > > Tricia Conway. But... but... Tricia's not really a villian. She's confused as to what's right, but in the end she shapes up and does the right thing. In Secret Weapon, yes, she is helping the bad guys, but she isn't exactly happy about what's happening to Stephen and Tyso-- and tells Colonol (sp?) Masters as much. And in Revenge of Jedikiah she is most definitely on the TP's side-- once she's convinced there really is a shape changer anyway. The bottom line on Tricia is that she pulls through for the TP in end, and that's what really counts, IMHO. Just 'cause I had her do bad things in Section 46 doesn't mean I don't like her. (One of these days, I'm gonna get around to doing the rewrite and the sequel of that one. But first, I need to finish RC2 before you guys lynch me.:) Sorry, just had to throw my two cents into this one. Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SapphireSky Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 07 May 2000 15:24:26 +0000 Ah! I hate when I have to leave for a week and miss so much on the list! Here goes: >1) Male/Female? Female > >2) Where do you live? Keene, New Hampshire > >3) Age? 18 > >4) Highest academic degree? I graduate high school in a month and a half, and am going to Brandeis University in Massachusetts in the fall. >5) Area of studies / occupation? Planning to look into English, History, American Studies, Sociology, and Journalism. > >6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?) ? Yes, but things like math and science don't come easily - I'm above average at them, but have to work at it. >7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? In the middle...I'd have to say extrovert at heart, though I do appreciate having time to myself. > >8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or did you >consider yourself to be popular as a child? Through much of middle school, I was not very popular. It's a lot better now, and though my closest friends are not part of the popular crowd, I am friends with a lot kids who are popular. >9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided Absolutely, especially since I broke out :) > >10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? One day short of my 11th birthday, on the first night the new series aired in America. (Best b-day present in my life :) > >11) What did you see first (OS or NS)? NS > >12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? I've only seen the first two serials of the OS, so I'd have to say NS for now (though I swear I'm going to make time to watch my OS tapes this summer!) > >13) Favourite OS episode? I liked the first two equally > >14) Favourite NS episode? "The Rameses Connection" > >15) Worse OS episode? Would it be too early to reserve this space for "A Man for Emily"? :) > >16) Worse NS episode? "Monsoon Man" > >17) Favourite OS TP? I like Stephen and John so far; can't wait to see Elizabeth, who sounds great. > >18) Favourite NS TP? Megabyte (Adam's good too, especially in the 3rd season) > >19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and teen TV >shows? Yes, some...mostly shoujo anime (Sailormoon, Fushigi Yuugi, etc), "Party of Five" (which just ended - sniff sniff!) and "Animorphs" > >20) Other than TP, favourite TV show(s) /books? I never have enough time to read :( But I'm happy enough with anything, especially if it involves parapsychology. Fave shows: see above Rachel with an E :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: Tricia WAS:Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 07 May 2000 16:04:10 EDT The term villain is kind of superfluous (or however you spell that word). Yet a villain is a person who does what he does (or she) because they think it is right. In that case Tricia was a villain in SECRET WEAPON in my estimation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeremy Rogers Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP actors site Date: 07 May 2000 21:35:36 +0100 Tony Nolan wrote: > Below is a movie / tv actors website , with lots of information on what > else they acted in. > this is the tomorrow people OS page > http://us.imdb.com/Title?0069647 The real problem with the Internet Movie Database (or as I still think of it, the Cardiff University db) is that it relies on contributions. Many are excellent, but there are a number which are wrong either deliberately or accidentally. Jez -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Beth A Epstein Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 07 May 2000 16:03:47 -0500 Ana Isabel Sacristan wrote: > 1) Male/Female? Two X... I mean, female (studying for a development final, don't mind me.) > 2) Where do you live? Minneapolis, MN > 3) Age? 23 > 4) Highest academic degree? BA, but working on my PhD > 5) Area of studies / occupation? Officially, Biochemistry, Molecular Biology, and Biophysics. In actuality, Developmental biology with a combind Genetic, molecular, and biochemical appraoch. Short version: I mess up fruit flies to see what makes them go from a single celled egg to a multicellular flying bug. > 6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?) ? Everyone else seems to think so. > 7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? Depends on how comfortable I am and my mood. Among friends, or colleauges I know pretty well, relatively extroverted. Among strangers, pretty introverted. Among you guys, just try and shut me up. :) > 8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or did you > consider yourself to be popular as a child? Before I changed schools, I had friends but was sorta different from most of them. AFter changing schools in the middle of third grade on, very different, pretty unpopular, and highly paranoid about it. > 9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided I want to. > 10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? 4 or 5. I was really little. > 11) What did you see first (OS or NS)? OS. > 12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? Um... um... Either. > 13) Favorite OS episode? Either The Blue and the Green or The Doomsday Men > 14) Favorite NS episode? The Ramases Connection > 15) Worse OS episode? *ponder* either A Man for Emily or Into the Unknown > 16) Worse NS episode? Monsoon Man. Hands down. No contest. > 17) Favorite OS TP? Andrew or Liz > 18) Favorite NS TP? Adam > 19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and teen TV > shows? AniTV to my horror, also occasionally the Batman cartoon or Superfriends reruns > 20) Other than TP, favorite TV show(s) /books? TV: Buffy, Sliders, Mission:Genesis/Deepwater Black (I'm currently looking for a beta reader for a fanfic for this one), Star Trek (anythnig that isn't OS) Books: Animorphs (so-o superior to the TV show), Harry Potter, Emma Bull, Diana Wynne Jones (both her teenage and adult stuff), Isaac Asimov when I can get my hands on old short story collections and have the brain power to read them (anything he wrote with Robots in it, novel or short story, I love). The Titans (current), and Wolfman/Perez era stuff when I can get my hands on them.:) Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP actors site Date: 08 May 2000 07:06:41 +1000 -----Original Message----- >Just goes to show that the TP Nick Young was NOT in the GIRL WITH SOMETHING >EXTRA tv series. Actually it shows nothing like that. The IMDB is valuable - but it's not complete. Personally, I have tracked down quite a number of other appearances by TP actors not mentioned on that page - and I've added some of them to the IMDB. Shaun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP actors site Date: 07 May 2000 17:07:41 EDT Don't add the Nick Young one, it's wrong. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP actors site Date: 08 May 2000 07:14:07 +1000 >Don't add the Nick Young one, it's wrong. OK - but how do you *know* it's wrong? (-8 Seriously, it is very hard to know if an actor didn't appear in something or not - especially with the number of shows that have incomplete credits. I maintain a Tomorrow People filmography - and it's not an easy task at all, sometimes, working out if an appearance is real or not (some of the movies I've watched to see if Nick Young was in them, are *horrifically bad* Shaun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Beth A Epstein Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP actors site Date: 07 May 2000 16:43:28 -0500 Shaun Hately wrote: > (some of the movies > I've watched to see if Nick Young was in them, are *horrifically bad* From what you've said, he seems to have a talent for that. :) (Absently wonders if she should allow Wendy to archive "Nightmare" as a public service warning.:) Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP actors site Date: 07 May 2000 18:23:34 EDT I saw the show he was rumored to be in. It isn't him. Not even close. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP actors site Date: 07 May 2000 18:24:17 EDT What is NIGHTMARE? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Beth A Epstein Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP actors site Date: 07 May 2000 20:57:35 -0500 CMento6653@aol.com wrote: > > What is NIGHTMARE? Nightmare (note it's not in all caps) is a story I wrote very quickly after seeing Nick Young in Adventures of a Private Eye. I did a quick hack of the Carleton system to send it to Shaun but make it look like it was coming from the fanfic list (and I can't do this sort of thing anymore 'cause the machine I did it on is no longer in Carleton's possession). The address, while perfectly servicable for regular email, wasn't quite right for this approach so the email bounced the apparent from address-- the list. The software got confused and bounced it to Wendy, who saw my name and thought it was an intended post (the xmission software was called "Dumblist" for a reason in those days) so she posted it. I asked that it not be archived, as it's 100% pure fluff and kinda dumb besides, though I sometimes wonder if it would be a public service warning against that movie. Knew I shouldn't have brought that one up. *sigh* Finals, they mess with your mind. Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Matott" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 07 May 2000 21:42:12 PDT > OK, another question that I'm just generally interested about that >relates to number 9: >Did any of you have an unusually strong interest in parapsychology and >related subjects when you were kids? If so, was it before you saw the >Tommorow People or afterwards? > Most definitely. And well before the Tomorrow People. I started reading about paraspych stuff when I was about 10. (To the point that my father actually asked me for info about some topics.) Something I find funny is that I read a book on witches when I was about 10 or so from the children's library - it was a nonfiction book. Now, years later I identify as a witch/pagan and realize how incredibly *wrong* this book was. I find it very amusing from this perspective to now view the scene with Kevin when he talks about wondering if he was a witch and trying to fly off the roof with a broomstick. ;-) mike ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Matott" Subject: Re: TPDIS: surveys Date: 07 May 2000 21:45:03 PDT > >>Second is having Jade break out. Not ALL of the >>tp's friends should become tommorow people. > >And besides Jade, how many did? > >Darryl Megabyte, being one of Kevin's friends would be another example. Of young people introduced into the series, two out of three principal or supporting characters became TPs (Megabyte and Jade). (And is anyone else glad Lucy didn't break out?) I'm not counting Dr. Connor's kid in this as he had less lines than Kevin did in Culex. mike ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rachael Bailey" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 07 May 2000 23:04:47 PDT Ok i go away for one weekend and all hell breaks loose. Well better late than never. >1) Male/Female? Female >2) Where do you live? Langwarrin, Victoria, Australia >3) Age? 20 (As of Friday just gone) >4) Highest academic degree? Currently completing my Bachelor of Information Systems. >5) Area of studies / occupation? Information Systems / part time Real Estate Receptionist. >6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?) ? Yes. >7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? I used to be an extrovert in primary school, then became an introvert in high school, but i'm becoming an extrovert again. (It makes sense when you know the full story) >8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or did you >consider yourself to be popular as a child? I was very different from my class mates, and my teachers picked this up and compensated for it. People still see me as being different. >9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided I would like to, but i am unsure whether i do or not. >10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? 17 >11) What did you see first (OS or NS)? NS >12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? OS >13) Favorite OS episode? All with Stephen before they left Earth. >14) Favorite NS episode? Origin Story. >15) Worse OS episode? Living Skins >16) Worse NS episode? Monsoon Man >17) Favorite OS TP? You have to ask? STEPHEN!!! >18) Favorite NS TP? Megabyte >19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and teen TV >shows? All the time, and i have no problems with admiting that, despite the fact my friends think it makes me a little crazy. >20) Other than TP, favorite TV show(s) /books? Angel, Buffy, Pretender (When it was on), Roswell, Practice, Stargate, Charmed, and lots more, and as evidence to the child show question above: Power Rangers (I never claimed to be sane) As for books i love everything and anything: personal favourites are C.S. Lewis (Can't go past the childrens classics), David Eddings, Agatha Christie, and most of all: Shakespeare (yes i read Shakespeare voluntarily) and everything i can find relating to mythology. Rachael with an A and a very weird and twisted mind. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeffe Boats" Subject: TPDIS: Re: Tricia Date: 08 May 2000 13:57:03 EDT >The term villain is kind of superfluous (or however you spell that word). >Yet a villain is a person who does what he does (or she) because they think >it is right. In that case Tricia was a villain in SECRET WEAPON in my >estimation. > Yes! Those are my favorite kinds of villains, the ones who believe in their heart of hearts that they are doing the right thing. They lend themselves to the "turned back to the light side of the force" story motif, which I enjoy. Those villains who snicker and cackle and have fiendish expressions as they wallow in their evil and plot to destroy all the world's goodness and niceness ... how one-dimensional. I much prefer an antagonist you could almost sympathize with if not for the fact that they're playing for the wrong side. Good TP examples of this ... The Cyclops (OS--Slaves of Jedikiah), Robert (OS -- The Blue and the Green), Douglas (OS -- The Doomsday Men), Tricia ... etc. The Old Series was loaded with characters like that, the New Series was far more lacking. I think that's one of the reasons I enjoy the Old Series better -- better characters and better writing, IMHO. --Jeffe ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP actors site Date: 08 May 2000 18:41:42 EDT Post Nightmare. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Re: Tricia Date: 08 May 2000 18:47:39 EDT Come to think of it, Robert (BLUE AND GREEN) was also like this. He seemed demonic at first but he knew he had to protect his people in the same way John would save those he was in charge of. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: DOCTOR WHO VS TP IN VERDIGRIS Date: 09 May 2000 15:01:14 +1000 > From: CMento6653@aol.com [mailto:CMento6653@aol.com] > > A new Doctor Who novel mericlessly rips off THE TOMORROW > PEOPLE turning Tim > into a TARDIS like entity and making JOhn and Stephen > lackluster all the > while flaming the production frailties of THE TP original > show. The novels > have gotten awful and this is one that I don't think we > should sit down for! > In addition they should be sued by whoever has the TP rights > (of course after > the book comes out cause if the do it before, we may never > see it!). In the > book, the Doctor has rivals called the children of destiny. WARNING! I'll try to avoid any major spoilers but there is some discussion of a recent Doctor Who novel 'Verdigris' following. Aww, come on... how can you resist a book which contains sentences like: "The few stray sheep left behind to cause havoc in the village were also quite dead." (-8 To be serious, I quite liked Verdigris - and I don't like most of the Doctor Who novels. I certainly agree that Destiny's Children are meant to be based on the Tomorrow People - they can teleport, are telepathic, wear shiny belts, live in a secret hideout located beneath the London Underground which is controlled by their 'electronic mentor' a mass of tubes and lights with a dry sense of humour who makes drinks appear on tables, and are Ambassadors for the Galactic Federation... it does border on the obvious (and thanks for mentioning it on list - otherwise I would not have read it!). But in all honesty, I liked it - I thought it was quite an interesting idea - the TP versus the Doctor. It was a Doctor Who story and I really doubt Paul Magrs intended Destiny's Children to exactly match the TP - if so, he needs some tapes (-8. But reading it, I could see the situation described as possible - the TP deluded into thinking the Doctor was an intergalactic criminal, and trying to capture him. I found it amusing and, within limits, plausible (it worked better with Destiny's Children than it would have with the actual TP - the author had more licence to go the way he did - but it still seemed plausible). I disagree with the idea that this novel made John and Stephen lacklustre - mostly because I didn't see John and Stephen in the book. I would guess you are matching Kevin to John and Peter to Stephen - there are some similarities, but they are not close enough, IMHO, to be complaining Magrs got them wrong. Although I do like the scenes where Kevin finds himself the object of a gay guy misinterpreting him (-8 The only 'character' I felt actully matched the TP characters closely was Simon - the electronic mentor. He seemed so Timmish (quote follows): "Above her, Tom suddenly saw, the ceiling was a mass of pulsating cables and, taking up much of the space, was a glowing electronic brain-like device: all coruscating colour and bright sparks. That had to be Simon. 'You came!' cried Marsha as they joined her. 'Simon, another milkshake for our new friend, Tom.' 'Actually, would he run to a gin and tonic?' said Tom. He was used to gadding about with Iris. He hoped these new companions weren't too squeaky clean. A high-pitched voice jabbed from the ceiling. 'The Children of Destiny do not partake of alcohol.' A glass of lemonade shimmered into existence on the table before Tom. 'They believe it impairs the multiple psychic powers. Nor do they smoke.' Tom, who was looking for an ashtray to put out his fag, blinked, drank down his lemonade in one gulp, and put the cigarette out in the glass. He could feel an air of haughty disapproval bearing down on him." (end of quote) Seriously, I thought Simon was cool as a 'parody' of TIM - nothing TARDIS like about him at all, as far as I could see. Did it flame the production qualities of the TP? Not so I noticed - at least no more than it made self directed jabs at Doctor Who - the Brigadier becomes a joke running a supermarket, with most of UNIT running checkouts and stacking shelves, Doctor Who characters actually becoming two-dimensional in reality, as opposed to being merely accused of it by fans (and folded up and placed in handbags that also happen to be galactic ambassadors!) Deliberate references to suggestions the Doctor should look himself up on the Internet and see what people are saying about him. And as for attacks on production qualities - an attempt to convince Jo that all of her experiences with UNIT were a hoax, and using as evidence the fact that all the alien creatures and artefacts she had seen looked unconvincing and were often surrounded by a crackling nimbus of blue light (-8 It's hard to take Verdigris seriously as a Doctor Who novel. But I did find it immensely funny - and any original series TP fans who also know Who - this is, IMHO, a book you should read just for the giggle factor. Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. 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I have captured somewhere between thirty and forty real movie clips which have now been added to my webpages. These are interviews with TP actors (mostly Kristian Schmid), appearances by quite a number of the TP actors in other things (a few of Kristian Schmid, a few of Christian Tessier, some Alexandra Milman, Elizabeth Adare, Nicholas Young (including Eskimo Nell), Sammie Winmill, Nigel Rhodes, Michael Standing, Richard Speight... I think that's all of them (-8 None of these are linked yet - that will occur in the next couple of days and I will announce it when ready. Head over to www.real.com and download RealPlayer if you want to see the clips - a fairly up-to-date version of this is required. I realise this will mean some people can't see them as their PCs or Macs can't run the later versions of RealPlayer, and I apologise profusely for that - but it costs $200 US for the version of RealProducer that would allow me to maintain backwards compatibility and I really cannot justify that. I wish I could )-8 It's come to my attention this means some of the people I most wanted to see things will miss out. There are some other clips - very special ones - soon to go up as well, but there are special issues of copyright with those, and also some technical difficulties which are delaying things. I can say no more - the credit for those belongs elsewhere but I will say that somebody on this list deserves all our thanks... and I'm sure they will get it. Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: TP actors site Date: 09 May 2000 16:58:23 +1000 > From: CMento6653@aol.com [mailto:CMento6653@aol.com] > > I saw the show he was rumored to be in. It isn't him. Not even close. Now, I have a dilemma... that appearance is listed in my filmography which I am updating at the moment... I need to work out whether or not to remove it... all I have seen are still screen captures and it does look a fair bit like him to me. I take it you've seen that actual piece of footage - what is different about him when you see it live so to speak? Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: DOCTOR WHO VS TP IN VERDIGRIS Date: 09 May 2000 16:50:59 EDT Shaun: I think you should post your review of this on a DW newsgroup. I can do it for yoiu if you want. ANd thanks for it! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP actors site Date: 09 May 2000 17:00:16 EDT THE GIRL WITH SOMETHING EXTRA was from 1973 to 1974 in the US. The person at the card table is not Nick Young, he's way too old to be Nick Young as he looked at this time in the TP'S FIRST story. The guy in the show THE GIRL looks about 30 or older! Just because his hair looks slightly like John with sideburns and all, doesn't mean it is him. I am looking at hit right now and while on bad copies i can see someone mistaking him for Nick Young, it just doesn't fly by me. On the one semi half medium shot we got of the actor, I can see it is not him! Our TP Nick Young I mean. His hair is darker, his eyes are darker, he's taller and has broader shoulders and is older than our Nick Young should be at this time. Not to mention that Nick never did any filming in California at that time (or any as far as I know). Also the actor has darker skin than our Nick Young. On top of all of that, there is NO mention of a Nick YOung in the credits at all. Is that enough? :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Beth A Epstein Subject: Re: TPDIS: DOCTOR WHO VS TP IN VERDIGRIS Date: 09 May 2000 16:56:55 -0500 I don't suppose someone would mind telling us the author of this opus so we can judge for ourselves. (and which Dr. BTW.) (Yay, TP parody.:) Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rhoboat@juno.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 09 May 2000 15:23:31 -0700 Hi again, I've also noticed that a few people listed Roswell as one of their current fav shows. And, IMO, it's gotten a bit better, especially since Jonathan Frakes (exec. prod., as well as of ST: TNG fame) has taken the director's helm a couple of times. ::semi-spoilers re: recent episodes:: Anyone find it interesting that Nasedo said that the alien teens are actually engineered to be human, only humans a couple thousand years more advanced? He said that the human brain have so much capacity, just that not all of it is used. Argh, almost makes me want to write a TP/Roswell fic... ::end spoilers:: Roanna ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: DOCTOR WHO VS TP IN VERDIGRIS Date: 10 May 2000 08:49:34 +1000 > From: Beth A Epstein [mailto:tptigger42@earthlink.net] > > I don't suppose someone would mind telling us the author of > this opus so > we can judge for ourselves. > (and which Dr. BTW.) > (Yay, TP parody.:) Paul Magrs - sorry, I thought I'd said. And it's Third Doctor. Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Nolan Subject: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 10 May 2000 09:10:21 +1000 Hello All, I was in this conversation about TP the other day, and it raised an interesting point. If you believe in christianity, and believe that Jesus existed, and that accounts were actually observed and reported. And you believe in an afterlife, then do we become TP in the next life? 1. Being able to appear and disappear at will. 2. The ability to pass through solid surfaces at will. 3. The ability to alter appearances. 4. Being able to silently communicate with others. Each of these abilities was attributed to both Jesus & TP. Was an interesting conversation. regards tony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 09 May 2000 22:44:40 EDT Funnythat you mention Roswell. Yes, it's gotten A LOT BETTER than it was. It was slow moving and dull. It no longer is. Funny that it reminds me a great deal of TC's TP universe: lots of soap opera slowness and teasing that never happens. Captures, escapes, quick ways out of tough situations, some wrap ups that don't always make sense, and returning characters. Yet it has gotten better. Oh and a character named Max. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 09 May 2000 22:48:14 EDT In a message dated 00-05-09 19:17:13 EDT, you write: << Hello All, I was in this conversation about TP the other day, and it raised an interesting point. If you believe in christianity, and believe that Jesus existed, and that accounts were actually observed and reported. And you believe in an afterlife, then do we become TP in the next life? 1. Being able to appear and disappear at will. 2. The ability to pass through solid surfaces at will. 3. The ability to alter appearances. 4. Being able to silently communicate with others. Each of these abilities was attributed to both Jesus & TP. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting. I think the idea of the show was to, originally anyway, go against religion. However HEART OF SOGGOTH may have reversed some of that. It seems that evolution always has to go against God but in reality, I feel, IMO, that evolution and God and truth kind of go hand in hand. I also do not think evolution works the way the "experts" says it does. Anyhow, I think that in the next life, we will be like TPs but not so, well, fleshy. If that makes sense. I have seen too much evidence to believe there is no after life. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ruby Red Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 10 May 2000 12:23:18 +1000 On Wed, May 10, 2000 at 09:10:21AM +1000, Tony Nolan wrote: > > If you believe in christianity, and believe that Jesus existed, and that > accounts were actually observed and reported. And you believe in an > afterlife, then do we become TP in the next life? > > 1. Being able to appear and disappear at will. > 2. The ability to pass through solid surfaces at will. > 3. The ability to alter appearances. > 4. Being able to silently communicate with others. > > Each of these abilities was attributed to both Jesus & TP. > > Was an interesting conversation. Sounds *very* interesting. I had an interesting conversation myself, once, with my bible-study leader... He doesn't like SF, not because he thinks it is boogy-man-*evil*, but because he feels that it represents a distorted reality - and what you mention above is part of that. Jesus walked through walls, (not to mention walking on water, and that was before he died!) and silent communion... which reminds me of a remark that a non-Christian friend made, when I tried to describe prayer in a group, and listening to God - he said "It sounds like telepathy to me!" Very interesting. For me, TP is a fun fantasy - Christ is the reality. Kathryn Andersen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- It is very hard for a man to defend anything of which he is entirely convinced. -- G.K. Chesterton, Orthodoxy -- Ruby Red http://www.foobox.net/~kat http://www.crosswinds.net/~rubykat "Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas any more." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Matott" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 10 May 2000 07:06:14 PDT >1. Being able to appear and disappear at will. >2. The ability to pass through solid surfaces at will. >3. The ability to alter appearances. >4. Being able to silently communicate with others. > When did two or three happen with the TP? (3 I could see with the spectra-shift on the AE suits but that was technological not psychic.) Other Big J-TP similarities - Moving objects, healing people mike ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kristy Fahrenwald" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 10 May 2000 09:24:10 CDT >From: "Michael Matott" >Reply-To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com >To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? >Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 07:06:14 PDT > > >>1. Being able to appear and disappear at will. >>2. The ability to pass through solid surfaces at will. >>3. The ability to alter appearances. >>4. Being able to silently communicate with others. >> > >When did two or three happen with the TP? (3 I could see with the >spectra-shift on the AE suits but that was technological not psychic.) > >Other Big J-TP similarities - Moving objects, healing people > >mike I was also wondering when Jesus altered his appearance. (If you are thinking of Mary at the tomb, she didn't recognize him, but I think that was just because she didn't expect to see him.) But now the AE suits did have an aspect of the psyhic since only the telepaths could operate it... someone had to work Chris' suit for him. Kristy ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kristy Fahrenwald" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 10 May 2000 09:49:23 CDT >Sounds *very* interesting. I had an interesting conversation myself, >once, with my bible-study leader... He doesn't like SF, not because he >thinks it is boogy-man-*evil*, but because he feels that it represents >a distorted reality - and what you mention above is part of that. ... >For me, TP is a fun fantasy - Christ is the reality. > >Kathryn Andersen A lot of Christians seem to feel Scifi is more wrong than other fiction. (When other fiction can be extremely immoral.) I've got a Christian Scifi list where it has come up from time to time. I personally think it has a lot to do with your last statement... *most* Scifi fans are take their entertainment very seriously and those who aren't fans seem to think we become too confused about what is and isn't reality. I take my entertainment seriously myself... I don't want to watch something I think it is *wrong* to imagine being real. We 'suspend our disbelief' to enjoy Scifi. I know the difference between reality and fantasy, but face it... we get *into* our TP and if there were something wrong with 'believing' in it... I would have a real problem. Now other Christian Scifi fans I've talked to do not seem to agree with me there... they seem to have the 'It's just entertainment' idea. However, while I'm watching (or occationally writing), this is reality. So if/when there is something about it that is wrong, I have to invent a path around it (like I would if there was an inconsistancy in the plot). Some Christians have equated psi powers of any kind with sorcery... which the Bible does teach against. That discussion concerns me, but I think they are wrong. I would love to hear the opinions of other TP fans... Christians and non... before I give my reasons to see if we agree. When (if ever) would psi powers be sorcery? Are the TP's abilities sorcery? If a Christian broke out would it be wrong for them to use their abilities? Kristy ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Matott" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 10 May 2000 08:28:21 PDT >From: "Kristy Fahrenwald" > >I was also wondering when Jesus altered his appearance. (If you are >thinking of Mary at the tomb, she didn't recognize him, but I think that >was >just because she didn't expect to see him.) He appeared another time and no one recognized him until after. It's in Acts of the Apostles, I think. The bible never specifically states that Jesus appeared in different forms, but he did something to make people (including his own mother) not recognize him. Sounds like mental manipulation. :-) > >But now the AE suits did have an aspect of the psyhic since only the >telepaths could operate it... someone had to work Chris' suit for him. > > This actually goes back into debate about the series itself. (hate to drift *on* topic :-) ) Can anyone explain to me why the TPs in a Rift in Time had some of their powers but not all? They could still telepathically translate ancient English and/or Latin. They could still maintain the Spectra-Shift. But they couldn't telepathically communicate with each other or jaunt or presumably use TK. Another thing that bugs me is why they used to speak when using telepathy? Doesn't make much sense to me. My only theory is that they spoke out loud because that's how they thought of communication and couldn't see that they only had to think something not think and say it in order to be telepathically 'heard.' mike ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kristy Fahrenwald" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 10 May 2000 11:18:37 CDT >He appeared another time and no one recognized him until after. It's in >Acts of the Apostles, I think. The bible never specifically states that >Jesus appeared in different forms, but he did something to make people >(including his own mother) not recognize him. Sounds like mental >manipulation. :-) Jesus wasn't in Acts after the first chapter where he returned to heaven. The only other time instance I can think of someone not recognizing him (although I could be forgetting something) was the two men on the road to Emmas (sp?)... anybody know of another reference? >This actually goes back into debate about the series itself. (hate to >drift >*on* topic :-) ) > >Can anyone explain to me why the TPs in a Rift in Time had some of their >powers but not all? They could still telepathically translate ancient >English and/or Latin. They could still maintain the Spectra-Shift. But >they couldn't telepathically communicate with each other or jaunt or >presumably use TK. The only explanation I could ever come up with was that the head time traveling bad dude (now what was his name? :)) planned it that way. He had the tech advantage and knew who the 'enemy' was... maybe he wanted to give them enough 'play' to be interesting adversaries. Of course, he was trying to save the world as he knew it... a stupid move to intentionally leave the other side with any help at all; but bad guys are supposed to slip up... and the script worked better if they could still talk to people. :) >Another thing that bugs me is why they used to speak when using telepathy? >Doesn't make much sense to me. My only theory is that they spoke out loud >because that's how they thought of communication and couldn't see that they >only had to think something not think and say it in order to be >telepathically 'heard.' That or they thought it was 'rude' not to let the saps with them in on at least half the conversation... but they did it even when they were alone so that doesn't help much. Kristy (It's so nice to have a day off before giving an exam... nothing to grade, nothing to study for... ahhhh) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ana Isabel Sacristan Subject: TPDIS: Re: Survey. Last chance. Date: 10 May 2000 12:43:34 -0600 I have begun compiling the results of the TPDIS survey. I have received 36 answers. If anyone not on the list below, sent in their answers, I did not receive them. In that case please send them again to asacrist@globalonline.com. Anyone else who still wants to participate, please send in your answers soon (AOL & Compuserve members send copy to asacrist@globalonline.com). List of people who answered the survey: Amy Bridger Ana Isabel Sacristan Ariana Brill Beth A Epstein "Cobalt Blue" "Darryl Gillikin" "David_M_Yates" "Gina Hussain" "Horrocks, Elizabeth" Jackie Clark jane starr "Jeffe Boats" "Jen Sulzer" "Kristy Fahrenwald" Latimer84@aol.com Lindsay Tice "Margaret M. Westerby" "Michael Matott" "nossaune" Peter Taylor "Rachael Bailey" Rebecca E Thompson rhoboat@juno.com RSorgen@aol.com Ruby Red SapphireSky "Scott S. Goldman" "Shaun Hately" Simon Fraser tassierilla@juno.com "Timothy O'Neal" Tony Nolan "Trina L. Short" Vivian Arney Wendy Kelley wladams@comp.uark.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Matott" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 10 May 2000 12:08:48 PDT <> > >That or they thought it was 'rude' not to let the saps with them in on at >least half the conversation... but they did it even when they were alone so >that doesn't help much. > Plus, Steven stopped talking with Liz and John during Doomsday Men because someone came into the dormitory. But this contradicts something from Blue and the Green! Liz mentions hearing Stephen talking with John and TIM during class, but no one else noticed! So that must mean he's using telepathy without speaking there. Groan. I *hate* inconsistencies. mike - who just realized he used bother spellings of Stephen and can't remember which one he should have used. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kristy Fahrenwald" Subject: TPDIS: Speaking while 'pathing (was: Will we be TP ?) Date: 10 May 2000 14:22:11 CDT >Plus, Steven stopped talking with Liz and John during Doomsday Men because >someone came into the dormitory. But this contradicts something from Blue >and the Green! Liz mentions hearing Stephen talking with John and TIM >during class, but no one else noticed! So that must mean he's using >telepathy without speaking there. Groan. I *hate* inconsistencies. I think that it would have something to do with being able to consentrate on two conversations at once without appearing distracted to those who walked in. In the B&G he was just working on his classwork or listening to lecture... if his concentration was elsewhere no one knew it but him... and his nosy telepathic teacher! :) Kristy ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Horrocks, Elizabeth" Subject: RE: TPDIS: Speaking while 'pathing (was: Will we be TP ?) Date: 10 May 2000 15:36:04 -0400 >Plus, Steven stopped talking with Liz and John during Doomsday Men because >someone came into the dormitory. But this contradicts something from Blue >and the Green! Liz mentions hearing Stephen talking with John and TIM >during class, but no one else noticed! So that must mean he's using >telepathy without speaking there. Groan. I *hate* inconsistencies. I don't think they have to talk... They just do it because they spent their whole lives pre-breakout communicating that way. Perhaps old habits are just hard to break.:) -Betsy ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jackie Clark Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 10 May 2000 21:07:20 +0100 Kristy Fahrenwald wrote: When (if ever) > would psi powers be sorcery? Are the TP's abilities sorcery? If a > Christian broke out would it be wrong for them to use their abilities? > In my opinion Psi powers would be sorcery if accompanied by a non- christian belief system e.g. Wicca or Druidism or maybe if the person in question evoked Egyptian gods as part of the process. Normal Tp powers (ok I know that normal may be the wrong word but you know what I mean!) are a product of processes in the Tp's brain and do not come from any outside agent. There fore a TP could easily be a Christian and may even find it easier to live a Christian way of life due to the prime inhibition. Doesn't it say somewhere that god created man in his own image? If that is the case and TP's really exist then god created them too... Ok I'll shut up now as my lack of religious knowledge will begin to show. Jackie -- http://www.effdee.demon.co.uk/manyarner/Homepg2000.html "May your senses be enlightened and your dreams be fulfilled." Traditional Manyarnern Greeting ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Nolan Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 11 May 2000 06:09:30 +1000 Yo There is at least one case in the temple, and another in a crowd in his hoe town i think, where jesus slipped through an angry mob, how could you get away from 50 - 100 people wanting to stone you, with out altering your appearance ?? There is the 2 or 3 dirrect texts about he did change his appearance, yes one of them is after his death, etc. I had forgotton about the TP healing, but then i havent seen the OS for like 25 years or more, and I am going on memories. ( i must do something about getting tapes from shaun). About real sound speech instead of TP speech, I gather that if it was an individual contact, then its a case of you could direct contact, but if its a group, i think to concentrate on peoples minds in a group would bet hard, and who do you direct your chatting to, who gets the special treatment. With Cally in Blakes7, she could tele to a single person or a group, but she could only give output to humans, not take input, etc. I would think another reason, is that the TP broke out at different times, and hence speech was some thing they all had mastered all the time, where as they were different levels of development in TP talk, hence it might not have been possible, etc. Cynical reason - Its cheaper for actors to talk, that the extra wages / costs to do the over voices and get it right. cheers tony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Nolan Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 11 May 2000 06:23:30 +1000 Hello Kristy, Could i have a great topic discussion on this. Im a christian, even worse by some standards, a roman catholic. I know lots of them (christisn) and never known one of them to be anti SciFI, we have been know to have SciFI parties. I even wrote a conference paper, whihc starts - When Sci-fiction becomes Sci-Faction, actually its paper of the NASA paper i am giving in a months time. ( if the plane doesnt crash on its way to hawaii ). In the current book im writing on Cogknology ( the study of thinking and knowledge ), i have a chapter on reality. For me, TP is a reality. Its my subjective reality. SO it is a very personal and real experience, whether its in my dreams, enjoyment ir scientific research, etc, it is some thing I have experienced, and is in my reality ( but its my subjective reality, not my objective reality - ie some thing that i have physicaly experienced - etc). Its all about what is subjective to the person, and how they deal with that subjectivity. Just because I feel 'know something'and another person doesnt, or believes some thing else, doesnt make me right over them being wrong, its just different. The only absolute truth in this world, is that there isnt any. Giggle Cheers tony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 10 May 2000 19:21:52 EDT In a message dated 00-05-10 10:24:41 EDT, you write: << Mary at the tomb, she didn't recognize him, but I think that was just because she didn't expect to see him.) >> I think this might have been because he was glowing with the radiance of God and/or the burningness of the Hell he had just gone to...wrongly...for humanity. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 10 May 2000 19:23:55 EDT I think they spoke telepathy because Gaius still needed his two TP captives to understand him when he spoke to them. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 10 May 2000 19:24:42 EDT Not inconsistent: Stephen couldn't keep talking in DDMen cause he needed to talk to those entering the room. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 10 May 2000 19:30:03 EDT Its all about what is subjective to the person, and how they deal with that subjectivity. Just because I feel 'know something'and another person doesnt, or believes some thing else, doesnt make me right over them being wrong, its just different.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry but I cannot agree with this. Just because someone wants everyone to be right, doesn't mean they are. On the other hand, respecting other's beliefs is a good thing. But there are many that believe the wrong thing and it could lead them into trouble. But even God's heart is larger than all of that. God can take in killers, child abusers, those who don't believe in him, etc. A lot of people who don't think they are, are going to go to the Other Side, even those who dn't believe in God or in the "right" religion. In fact, man made religion to me, sometimes leads people furhter from God than towards him.l ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: TPDIS: Admin - on religion Date: 11 May 2000 09:38:57 +1000 Just a general observation - this is not directed at anyone as so far there doesn't seem to be a problem. It's just past experience talking here, hoping to prevent one occurring. Religion is a very sensitive issue for a lot of people for obvious reasons. When discussing it, please be very careful to avoid saying things that may cause offence to others - even accidentally. When reading posts, please consider the motives of the person posting before taking offence. This is a Tomorrow Person list - discussion on religious aspects of the TPs lives, or on parralels between religion and the TP are on topic - but religion is one of those special subjects it is very important to pay attention to in e-mail discussions. Keep it on topic - and try to avoid either giving or taking offence. Please... Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Nolan Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 11 May 2000 09:43:12 +1000 At 07:30 PM 5/10/00 EDT, you wrote: > >Its all about what is subjective to the person, and how they deal with that >subjectivity. Just because I feel 'know something'and another person >doesnt, or believes some thing else, doesnt make me right over them being >wrong, its just different.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >Sorry but I cannot agree with this. Just because someone wants everyone to be >right, doesn't mean they are. > Hi, Try looking at it this way. Truth & Facts are totally Subjective, whether we believe that some thing is true or false, it is a subjective view, which is held only by us. No one can have the exact same view as another person, cause our experiences, perspectives, situationality are all different to each other. Even our own views are never stable, because ever piece of stimuli we recieve to our brain, cause a change in our knowledge structures, which is then compounded by our memories, barriers and bias's, etc, plus the effects of time. So its not a point that I want every one to be right, they are right to their presence of mind, which is their reality. Whether they are right to your perception, or to a social set of rules, which is also a perception is an different matter. cheers tony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ruby Red Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 11 May 2000 09:32:48 +1000 On Thu, May 11, 2000 at 06:23:30AM +1000, Tony Nolan wrote: > Im a christian, even worse by some standards, a roman catholic. I know lots > of them (christisn) and never known one of them to be anti SciFI, Obviously we move in different circles... I have been blessed not to run into Christians who are rabidly anti-SF&F, but I have friends who have run into such (for example, someone who thought that *C.S. Lewis's Narnia stories* were evil!) The anti-SF ones I've run into have only been mildly so. So, maybe most aren't anti-SF, but most aren't pro-SF either. It's a very rare thing for me to find a Christian SF fan. Something to rejoice over. And be surprised about. I guess my assumption is, if someone is an SF fan, expect them to be an atheist. > The only absolute truth in this world, is that there isnt any. I have to disagree there. The only absolute truth in the world, is God. Human beings will have different versions of the truth, because our understanding isn't perfect. And it never will be. But that doesn't mean that the absolute truth isn't there. "The modern habit of saying "Every man has a different philosophy; this is my philosophy and it suits me": the habit of saying this is mere weak-mindedness. A cosmic philosophy is not constructed to fit a man; a cosmic philosophy is constructed to fit a cosmos. A man can no more possess a private religion than he can possess a private sun and moon." -- G.K. Chesterton, Introduction to the Book of Job KJA -- Ruby Red http://www.foobox.net/~kat http://www.crosswinds.net/~rubykat "Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas any more." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ruby Red Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 11 May 2000 09:16:17 +1000 On Wed, May 10, 2000 at 09:49:23AM -0500, Kristy Fahrenwald wrote: > >For me, TP is a fun fantasy - Christ is the reality. > > > >Kathryn Andersen > > A lot of Christians seem to feel Scifi is more wrong than other fiction. > (When other fiction can be extremely immoral.) Like soap operas. (-8 > I've got a Christian Scifi > list where it has come up from time to time. Oooh, ooh, what's the list? Where? > I personally think it has a > lot to do with your last statement... *most* Scifi fans are take their > entertainment very seriously and those who aren't fans seem to think we > become too confused about what is and isn't reality. You mean, things like... analysing whether the TP need to speak aloud when they telepath? (grin) Or talking about "when I break out"? > I take my entertainment seriously myself... I don't want to watch something > I think it is *wrong* to imagine being real. Oh yes, that's why there's some SF and Fantasy that I won't read. > We 'suspend our disbelief' to > enjoy Scifi. I know the difference between reality and fantasy, but face > it... we get *into* our TP and if there were something wrong with > 'believing' in it... I would have a real problem. Agreed. > Now other Christian Scifi fans I've talked to do not seem to agree with me > there... they seem to have the 'It's just entertainment' idea. However, > while I'm watching (or occationally writing), this is reality. So if/when > there is something about it that is wrong, I have to invent a path around it > (like I would if there was an inconsistancy in the plot). Yes, yes, yes! I agree with this 100%. That's why I gave up D&D. I didn't give it up because, as my brother-in-law urged me, he thought I was leaving myself open to demons if I participated. But me, I gave it up because, *while I was playing the game*, I had to act, as my character, as if I believed in many gods. That was the requirement of the game. That, indeed, was the reality of that universe, that there *were* many gods, and that they were real. And I had to assent to that in order to play the game. I was required to think that way, and act it out, as I played my character. Which would set up habits of thought - even outside the game, I would likely think about my character and what she would do. So a pantheistic habit of thought is not something that I wanted to get into. So I gave up D&D. Reading books and watching TV is somewhat different, since one isn't *required* to believe the world-view as much when reading it. Atheistic SF doesn't bother me, because that just means that the characters haven't discovered God yet. Rabidly anti-Christian atheistic SF annoys me. SF that spouts non-Christian religious beliefs either annoy me, or I just don't finish the book, because I can no longer 'suspend my disbelief' when I read it. If I am spending my time mentally arguing with the author, then I certainly can't enjoy the book. Of course the worst ones are the ones that put forward their beliefs in an attractive, seductive manner, like Richard Cowper's far future novels about the White Bird. Everything there in the faith of the White Bird that's Christian - except Christ. I stopped watching Babylon 5 when it became clear to me that it was disturbingly inverting good and evil. It's one thing when the *characters* express immoral views, but when the actual show does... It was the episode "And the Rock Cried Out" that did it for me. There was this scene, where this Centauri bad guy was being torn apart for revenge by some Narns - and it was jump-cut with a scene on the station where there's a Gospel service going on, and the people are joyfully singing "And the rock cried out, no hiding place". The *message* that juxtaposition sent, was that God is vicious and vengeful. In jms's own words, "God is a malign thug." But most people didn't see that, they just thought "It's just entertainment" and "hey, that's really artistic!". I stopped watching Babylon 5 at the end of season 3. > Some Christians have equated psi powers of any kind with sorcery... which > the Bible does teach against. That discussion concerns me, but I think they > are wrong. I would love to hear the opinions of other TP fans... Christians > and non... before I give my reasons to see if we agree. When (if ever) > would psi powers be sorcery? Are the TP's abilities sorcery? This is a very good question. I must admit, if I saw someone, today, face to face, levitating something, I *would* think of sorcery. Irrelevant of what they *called* it. In reality, paranormal phenomena are caused by spirits - evil spirits and good spirits; fallen angels and good angels. (Kathryn snips anecdotes about angelic help) Some people deliberately invoke sorcery, and others don't believe that that is what they are doing - they call it New Age mumbo-jumbo about spirit guides or what-not, but if it isn't from Christ, then it is from Satan. Full stop. I guess that means I'm being inconsistent - because I love psi books and shows, but I consider them as inhabiting a parallel reality, where these powers *are* purely mental and not spiritual at all, a reality which will never meet up with this one. Which implies I'm doing the 'it's just entertainment' cop-out which we were both railing against above. Or maybe that's my 'path around it', that makes me able to enjoy it. I apply a similar sophistry with sword & sorcery novels - it isn't "real" magic, it's a universe with different rules. Wheras the show, "The Omega Factor" was much closer to real psychic phenomena, with ouiji boards and things like that, so I ended up erasing my tapes of it. > If a > Christian broke out would it be wrong for them to use their abilities? Well, if a Christian broke out, I think they would have to be persuaded that their powers weren't sorcery. IMHO, telepathy wouldn't be a problem, because I think that's just an extension of people's natural ability to commune spiritually - to "detect vibes" if you want to use that term. The other abilities - well, if it *was* a universe in which they *were* mental powers, then, no problem. Gifts, if given, are to be used - so long as the source of those gifts is Godly. But, keeping in mind the comparison with Jesus that sparked this discussion, in reality, such powers won't be given until after the Second Coming, when we are all changed "in the twinkling of an eye". Kathryn Andersen -- Ruby Red http://www.foobox.net/~kat http://www.crosswinds.net/~rubykat "Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas any more." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Nolan Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 11 May 2000 11:36:46 +1000 Be it from a christian / religious prospective, sociological and even psychological, I cant see where anyone one could see the TP as an bed, threat or even evil thing. I see a lot of good social message comming from the series, and would find it hard to believe otherwise. Acknowleding Shauns email on Religion, and yes it is a very senstive topic area. For me the parrall's with religious figures in history, also bring me to focus on history its self as well. The world is full of story's, Myths, etc about people who could display special abilities, etc. Does anyone know if the creators of TP, borrowed from any certain areas of history or myths, to and places them in the series. For example, George Lucas used the worlds 7 most popular religons to create the force in star wars. Tolkin, ( He translated part of the old testment in the roman catholic bible ), for his bases of the hobbit and especially with Lord of the rings. Shakespear, well there wasnt much of his plays that werent borrowed, etc, Regards Tony At 09:32 AM 5/11/00 +1000, you wrote: >On Thu, May 11, 2000 at 06:23:30AM +1000, Tony Nolan wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Nolan Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 11 May 2000 12:08:59 +1000 There are role playing games, along the ad&d style, that arent over the top, etc. Wasnt some one from here making an TP game, i kow i said i would make a flip page game, but i thougth some one was making a rp game from here. >I stopped watching Babylon 5 at the end of season 3. You missed a great ending to the show cheers tony> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 11 May 2000 12:17:03 +1000 > From: Tony Nolan [mailto:t.nolan@uts.edu.au] > > There are role playing games, along the ad&d style, that > arent over the > top, etc. Wasnt some one from here making an TP game, i kow i > said i would > make a flip page game, but i thougth some one was making a rp > game from here. Yes, I have a TP RPG written up - still needs some editing work but I will be running one session games based on it (or *possibly* TP games based on some other roleplaying system) at an RPG Convention next year. My TP computer game is also close to finished as well - although the detailed fiddly bits are still giving grief... Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kristy Fahrenwald" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 10 May 2000 23:04:14 CDT >There is at least one case in the temple, and another in a crowd >in his hoe >town i think, where jesus slipped through an angry mob, how >could you get >away from 50 - 100 people wanting to stone you, with out >altering your >appearance ?? I still don't see where the Bible ever actually says he did change his appearance, but I certainly agree he would be able to if he chose. >In the current book im writing on Cogknology ( the study of thinking and >knowledge ), i have a chapter on reality. For me, TP is a reality. Its my >subjective reality. SO it is a very personal and real experience, whether >its in my dreams, enjoyment ir scientific research, etc, it is some thing I >have experienced, and is in my reality ( but its my subjective reality, not >my objective reality - ie some thing that i have physicaly experienced - >etc). > >Its all about what is subjective to the person, and how they deal with that >subjectivity. Just because I feel 'know something'and another person >doesnt, or believes some thing else, doesnt make me right over them being >wrong, its just different. > >The only absolute truth in this world, is that there isnt any. I have to agree with some of the other replies... believing something doesn't make it real, or right. There is absolute truth. People may chose not to believe it or may misunderstand it, but God and his word are absolutes. Now when it comes to fiction... you can pick your realities, but even that doesn't make them real. Kristy ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kristy Fahrenwald" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 10 May 2000 23:12:26 CDT >So its not a point that I want every one to be right, they are right to >their presence of mind, which is their reality. > >Whether they are right to your perception, or to a social set of rules, >which is also a perception is an different matter. > >cheers >tony I'm heading very OT, if any more needs said we should likely take it off list... to the Scifi_Christian list if you're interested... but first let me say to this point... It sounds like Saul of Tarsis... but no matter what he or society thought, God thought he was wrong. And that was all that was the only reality. Kristy ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rhoboat@juno.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 10 May 2000 22:54:11 -0700 On Thu, 11 May 2000 06:23:30 +1000 Tony Nolan writes: <> Knock on wood. (Y'know, that saying comes from a pagan belief.) I'm Roman Catholic too, and this the first I've truly heard about Christians being extremely anti-science fiction. Maybe it's the rather liberal environment where I've grown up. I have friends of all types of faiths/non-faiths and "persuasions." (Now there's another touchy subject...) TP is heavily based on evolution, which I know is contradictory to the Bible. However, as a student majoring in biology, it's hard for me to deny the studies of evolution. I grew up in with Catholic priests always telling me to ask questions, and that I don't necessarily have to believe everything the Church says. 'Cause if God gave us the ability to think for ourselves, then we should, IMO. Besides, I like the golden rule the most. =) And if we ever do become TP, I think that'd help us follow the golden rule even better. Just my opinions, Rho (or Roanna) ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Matott" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 11 May 2000 11:27:32 PDT > >Kristy Fahrenwald wrote: > When (if ever) > > would psi powers be sorcery? Are the TP's abilities sorcery? If a > > Christian broke out would it be wrong for them to use their abilities? > > > >In my opinion Psi powers would be sorcery if accompanied by a non- >christian belief system e.g. Wicca or Druidism or maybe if the person in >question evoked Egyptian gods as part of the process. I definitely agree with Jackie here. Being pagan I can tell you that belief and acceptance of these types of gifts is very common and many people claim to posess them. (Some I'm willing to believe, others I'm not.) I do disagree slightly with the idea though that psi abilities are necessarily sorcery. My reason for keeping them distinct is that I think it's possible for psi abilities to be separate from magick, but that through the use of magick one can augment or develop psi abilities one does not naturally have. (i.e. I have met people who do not have 'natural psi' who through many long years of training have developed a certain degree of divinitory ability - Tarot, scrying, etc.) Some people no matter how much training unfortunately will always be Saps. ;-) So my take is that it's possible for there to be both magickally developed telepathy/tk/etc and inborn psi-telepathy/etc. (Don't anyone ask me what happens when you have a natural born witch who's also a psychic. ) >Normal Tp powers >(ok I know that normal may be the wrong word but you know what I mean!) >are a product of processes in the Tp's brain and do not come from any >outside agent. There fore a TP could easily be a Christian and may even >find it easier to live a Christian way of life due to the prime >inhibition. Most pagans follow a rule about not harming anyone in thought or deed. Sounds a lot like the prime inhibition to me. :-) thought I'd throw a non-Christain perspective into the mix since the post did ask about sorcery. mike ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Matott" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 11 May 2000 11:37:48 PDT >Be it from a christian / religious prospective, sociological and even >psychological, I cant see where anyone one could see the TP as an bed, >threat or even evil thing. I see a lot of good social message comming from >the series, and would find it hard to believe otherwise. You have, of course, heard of the Inquisition? Throughout history when one people has overrun another or one religion has overrun another those people that were 'different' suffered for it. Many by being put to death. In the Inquisition, those people were reviled by the establishment as heretics. The establishments own victims are revered as martyrs. One man's heretic is another's martyr. Most of the Christian martyrs were killed during the rule of the pantheistic Roman empire. One of the things I liked about A Rift in Time was that Gaius didn't see himself in the wrong as he was merely trying to preserve the world that he knew - much as the Tomorrow People were trying to do. I could very easily see where the TP would be feared and perhaps hunted down for their abilities. (In fact, the stories of my serial set in the future do and will show that possibility). We fear what is different. From fear can come anger and destruction. (Say it with me folks: 'This is the path to the Dark Side') mike ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Matott" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 11 May 2000 11:43:15 PDT >TP is heavily based on evolution, which I know is contradictory >to the Bible. Really it's not. The theory of evolution doesn't ascribe a cause to the whole process. Who started the whole ball of wax rolling? It contradicts the literalists notion that the world was created in six days with all the animals and plants that are currently on it created as is. (Something I find impossible to believe since hybrids can be created quite easily among some plants.) Some Christian scholars have taken Genesis and removed them from a literal standpoint to examine them from a metaphorical one. Doing this it becomes possible to retain the spirit of the text without taking it literallys. (Which frankly I think is important since no one alive today has likely read the Bible in any of the languages it was originally written in.) mike ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kristy Fahrenwald" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 11 May 2000 14:02:03 CDT >Most pagans follow a rule about not harming anyone in thought or deed. >Sounds a lot like the prime inhibition to me. :-) lot like the Golden Rule> Actually that is more of what I've heard called the 'Silver Rule'... *don't* do anything to someone that you *wouldn't* want done to you... The Golden Rule is to *do* to others as you *would* have them do to you. Do good, not just do no harm. >thought I'd throw a non-Christain perspective into the mix since the post >did ask about sorcery. And I thank you much for it... I really wanted a perspective from 'the other side' to be certain I wasn't telling myself what I wanted to hear. (That TP psi powers weren't sorcery, although some could be.) >mike Thanks! Kristy ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rhoboat@juno.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 11 May 2000 12:25:30 -0700 On Thu, 11 May 2000 11:43:15 PDT "Michael Matott" writes: << <> Really it's not. The theory of evolution doesn't ascribe a cause to the whole process.>> Agreed. But I've also met people who take the Bible very literally and seriously, and are extremely against the idea of evolution, describing it as contradictory. So I guess it depends on who you ask. < and removed them from a literal standpoint to examine them from a metaphorical one.>> Yeah, as a Christian, I like viewing the Bible metaphorically. I wonder how TP of different faiths would interact. Is it possible that with any advancement of humans that some faiths would become "obsolete"? Or would we adapt faiths to fit a new profile? Rho ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kristy Fahrenwald" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 10 May 2000 23:39:21 CDT > > I've got a Christian Scifi > > list where it has come up from time to time. > >Oooh, ooh, what's the list? Where? It's on egroups...I've been dying for a TP fan or two. :) Here's the info. Post message: SciFi_Christian@egroups.com Subscribe: SciFi_Christian-subscribe@egroups.com Unsubscribe: SciFi_Christian-unsubscribe@egroups.com List owner: SciFi_Christian-owner@egroups.com >Yes, yes, yes! I agree with this 100%. That's why I gave up >D&D. >I didn't give it up because, as my brother-in-law urged me, he >thought >I was leaving myself open to demons if I participated. But me, >I gave >it up because, *while I was playing the game*, I had to act, as >my >character, as if I believed in many gods. I never played D&D long enough for this to bother me... but I can see where it could become a problem. >Reading books and watching TV is somewhat different, since one isn't >*required* to believe the world-view as much when reading it. >Atheistic SF doesn't bother me, because that just means that the >characters haven't discovered God yet. Rabidly anti-Christian atheistic >SF annoys me. SF that spouts non-Christian religious beliefs either >annoy me, or I just don't finish the book, because I can no longer >'suspend my disbelief' when I read it. If I am spending my time >mentally arguing with the author, then I certainly can't enjoy the >book. >I must admit, if I saw someone, today, >face to face, levitating something, I *would* think of sorcery. >Irrelevant of what they *called* it. In reality, paranormal >phenomena are caused by spirits - evil spirits and good spirits; >fallen angels and good angels. (Kathryn snips anecdotes about angelic >help) >Some people deliberately invoke sorcery, and others don't believe that >that is what they are doing - they call it New Age mumbo-jumbo about >spirit guides or what-not, but if it isn't from Christ, then it is >from Satan. Full stop. You (and Jackie in an earlier post) have just about summed up my feelings. If someone is seeking out psi abilities... they are calling on someone/thing and that reeks of sorcery to me. But the TP didn't ask anyone for their abilities. They are a 'naturally' occuring gift... IMHO, a gift from God. (As you made some mention to later as well.) After reading your post... I'd say we defininatly think alike on a lot of this. It can be a tricky balence for me between real reality and temporary 'reality' in my fiction. How far to let it be 'just for fun' so that it doesn't matter and when to put on the breaks because it's just gone too far. I just can't stand with those that see it as all 'ok' because it is fictional or with those that would condem anything we can't prove to be here and now reality. Kristy ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Matott" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 11 May 2000 12:42:35 PDT > >>Most pagans follow a rule about not harming anyone in thought or deed. >>Sounds a lot like the prime inhibition to me. :-) >lot like the Golden Rule> > >Actually that is more of what I've heard called the 'Silver Rule'... >*don't* >do anything to someone that you *wouldn't* want done to you... The Golden >Rule is to *do* to others as you *would* have them do to you. Do good, not >just do no harm. I kind of like Heinlein's modification "Do unto others as they'd do unto you - but do it to 'em first." :-) I simplified the rede. Although technically it's "An it harm no one do as ye will", you'll find that most pagans follow something called the Threefold Law. What you do comes back to you three times. This includes good and bad things. So doing good will be rewarded three times, doing bad will be punished three times. (I say most, not all. Paganism's a fickle thing. I personally don't follow the Threefold Law, but do believe in things balancing out.) > >>thought I'd throw a non-Christain perspective into the mix since the post >>did ask about sorcery. > >And I thank you much for it... I really wanted a perspective from 'the >other >side' to be certain I wasn't telling myself what I wanted to hear. (That >TP >psi powers weren't sorcery, although some could be.) Eep. I hope people don't consider my viewpoint "the other side". There are *many* different religions out there. Not to mention all the various sects and denominations. I'm just going with personal viewpoint here, coming as a person who happens to be pagan not meant to be *the* Pagan viewpoint . Just wanted to clarify. I hate to think of this in terms of 'sides'. I like Tony's point. We all have different perspectives, even from those with similar religious backgrounds. Back OT - I'm trying hard to remember if there were any indications of religious beliefs in any of the TPs in either series. Anyone wearing a cross or anything? I think Megabyte mentioned something about going to church with his family sometime. Did Kevin say anything about his parents religion when talking about his mother thinking he was a witch? I can't think of anything from the old series other than the Khultan being associated with Ancient Egyptian gods and the icon from Into the Unknown. (Into the Unknown is the only serial I can think of that dealt with religion. And I thought it handled it well - believers and non-believers.) mike ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 12 May 2000 07:19:18 +1000 >Some Christian scholars have taken Genesis and removed >them from a literal standpoint to examine them from a metaphorical one. >Doing this it becomes possible to retain the spirit of the text without >taking it literallys. (Which frankly I think is important since no one >alive today has likely read the Bible in any of the languages it was >originally written in.) Speaking as a scientist and a very strong believer in evolutionary theory as the most likely explanation we currently have for the development of life on this planet (I was also raised Roman Catholic, although I am unsure how religious I am today - I believe strongly in the ethics and morality expounded by Christianity (and indeed by many other faiths), but I am less sure about what I actually believe), I've always read the early part of Genesis as a remarkably accurate depiction of evolutionary theory in many ways, considering when it was written - the order of creation matches the scientific understanding pretty closely, even if the timescale is different. In actual fact, I've often felt evolutionary theory could be regarded as being potential evidence of the accuracy of Genesis - it bears some resemblance to the common analogy you see in science books comparing the Earth's existence to a year or a day ("at 18 seconds to midnight on the 31st December, Man came into being..."). I don't take Genesis literally - it is too much at odds with my scientific understanding (which may or may not be correct). But, I think it forms a rather accurate picture of the Earth's development, considering it's age - as if men were trying to translate Evolution into terms they could understand at the time. If so, I wonder where they acquired that knowledge. Shaun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Beth A Epstein Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 11 May 2000 17:00:49 -0500 Michael Matott wrote: > (Which frankly I think is important since no one > alive today has likely read the Bible in any of the languages it was > originally written in.) The Torah has been passed down *exactly* for generations upon generations in its original language (supposedly since it was given to Moses on Siani. I'm not sure about *that* but I know it's been transcribed faithfully since the days of the old holy temples, and that's a long way back). And lots of people outside of Israel read Hebrew. (This is because we Jews like to interpret, reinterpret, and reinterpret again. "Thou shalt not cook a calf in its mother's milk" is the basis for the whole separation of milk and meat thing.) Maybe not the whole Christian bible, but the Torah does include the Book of Genesis. (Picking nits here, but still, it's a point.) Heck, I've forgotten most of my Hebrew, and I can get through a good portion of Genesis in the original language. rhoboat@juno.com wrote: > I wonder how TP of different faiths would interact. Is it > possible that with any advancement of humans that > some faiths would become "obsolete"? Or would we > adapt faiths to fit a new profile? This is difficult to determine. The bias in the Original series seems to be that the TP tend to be not religous. (Mike says something about going to church occaisionally at the end of Heart of Sogguth, and Andrew's father makes it perfectly clear that he isn't going to church anymore.) However, we should probably take into account that Roger Price was an athiest and this is probably very much his bias showing through. Andrew's father had to be convinced that TP powers weren't the work of the devil. I think someone of really deep religous convictions would have problems, espeically if they were a literalist. (Proof humankind is evolving would be pretty hard to swallow for any creationist.) Most people would adapt their current beliefs to fit the situation. (IE HOw long is a day for G-d. And there's always the Diest theory that G-d created the universe using discernable scientific laws. And G-d gave us brains so we could figure them out.) Most people who are religous are raised with very strong religous convictions, and they're more likely to adapt them than to abandon them all together. Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David_M_Yates" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 11 May 2000 23:28:17 +0100 >Some Christians have equated psi powers of any kind with sorcery... which >the Bible does teach against. That discussion concerns me, but I think they >are wrong. I would love to hear the opinions of other TP fans... Christians >and non... before I give my reasons to see if we agree. When (if ever) >would psi powers be sorcery? Are the TP's abilities sorcery? If a >Christian broke out would it be wrong for them to use their abilities? What a fascinating subject! Why is it that the good discussions get going when I'm away from home for a few days? Taking on board Shaun's timely warning about getting to confrontational about religious matters, and not wanting to give offence, I think we need to be clear what we mean when using such terms as "Sorcery, witchcraft and Psi-abilities." (Others might disagree with these definitions, they're not SF canon, they just work for me.) "Sorcery" to borrow from David Edgings' Belgariad series, is the exercise of "The will and the word." In other words, focussing your will and shaping reality to your own pattern. Although Eddings' world has "The Seven Gods" in it, the main characters aren't OVERLY religious; although they do invoke the powers of their gods. Belgarath and co make the whole thing appear rather scientific. "Witchcraft" is somewhat different. To quote from Arthur Miller's play "The Crucible" Witchcraft is "The conjuring of evil spirits" Getting a familiar spirit to obey you and use its powers to alter reality. Incantations, sacrifices, and strange ceremonies are all a part of this. I would imagine that most practitioners of this form of power would see themselves as being in league with the powers of darkness. "Psi-abilities" for me, have nothing to do with witchcraft. They are probably closer to Edgings' definition of Sorcery. It would appear to me that if we follow Roger Price's definition that the TP's are "The next stage of human evolution" then the actual process of using their Psi Powers is morally neutral. What they choose to actually DO with those powers is another matter!! For Psi-powered humans telekinesis would be as natural a way of moving an object as us using our arms. In religious circles we use the image of a knife. It, in itself, is neutral. Whether we choose to use it to cut bread or to stab someone with is OUR moral choice. Now, as to whether any of the witches might be Psi powered, who knows? If their powers are actually natural rather than supernatural really makes no difference. Their intention is to work Black Magic! therefore they are on the bad side. Whether black magic exists or not is another debate for another day. I'll stop now before I get totally into "Sermon-Mode!" Hope this helps the debate. David. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David_M_Yates" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 11 May 2000 23:53:37 +0100 Back again......... > >>TP is heavily based on evolution, which I know is contradictory >>to the Bible. > >Really it's not. The theory of evolution doesn't ascribe a cause to the >whole process. Who started the whole ball of wax rolling? It contradicts >the literalists notion that the world was created in six days with all the >animals and plants that are currently on it created We're getting very off topic here, (sorry) but the Bible isn't really one book. Its a collection of books written over many thousands of years. The "history" it traces is what theologians call "Salvation History" It traces the development of our relationship with God. Many of the images are drawn from the perspective of the authors. Although Christians believe that God inspired the truths behind the texts. It was not written via a divine dictating machine!! When people try to interpret events too literally they often come unstuck. I was always taught that it's not meant to be interpreted that way. >Some Christian scholars have taken Genesis and removed >them from a literal standpoint to examine them from a metaphorical one. >Doing this it becomes possible to retain the spirit of the text without >taking it literallys. A Pagan and a Priest agreeing, there's hope for the world Just as the Bible took a long time to write, so also our understanding of it has also taken a long time to develop. Past ages had to use their best judgement and made decisions that we would find "barbaric" today. I wonder, if the Earth ever did become full of TP's, what they, or their descendants would think of the decisions we make today? BTW As a priest and a "SCI-FI" (Sorry Mike) fan I wouldn't think that Science Fiction is any less or more "Christian" than most other types of literature. Religion and science needn't be seen as opposites. Many of history's great scientists were also very religious. David. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wendy Kelley Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 11 May 2000 17:55:38 -0500 > >I would imagine that most practitioners of this form of power would see >themselves as being in league with the powers of darkness. An interesting interpretion, but one I can't agree with. In my experience most people who are (or claim to be) practitioners of witchcraft want *nothing* to do with the powers of darkness. Granted, there are some that do. I knew a couple of people back in highschool who were quite proud about being black-witches. But the majority of witches I've known since then fully shun anything even related to the powers of darkness. Mike mentioned the rule of three; this rule would be reason enough for most witches to want to stay on the right side of the fence. In discussions with on topics such as this, I frequently equate spell-casting to the power of prayer. In both you're imploring a higher power to listen to you and to affect some change. With spells, there're generally certain things you have to do to make the higher power listen and/or to express to it exactly what it is you want done. In prayer your words are enough. In either case, what you want may or may not happen. The primary difference here is that with spells, you're asking either for the direct help of the diety (in this case the Goddess) and/or for the diety to loan you the power to get done what is needed, whereas in prayer you're just putting your request out there for the diety (usually God) to hear and answer as He sees fit. As for the TP, their powers may be a gift from a diety, but the actual power, the actual ability to use telekinesis, etc. is theirs to use as they desire. It's the same as any other talent, e.g. the ability to sing. The talent itself is the gift. Opening your mouth and making noise is the individual's choice. The amount of training and/or practice the individual chooses to have to enhance his/her gift is also a choice. So, two people with equal talents to sing could have vastly different skill levels. It seems to me the TP are like this as well. In the OS, at least, everyone had the same three powers: telekinesis, teleportation, and telepathy (and later the ability to create illusions, although this always seemed like an extension of telepathy). Their physical/psychical ability to do these things is genetically coded (RE: Hitler's Last Secret), and is therefore no different than the color of their skin or the size of their feet. People in the TP universe have it or they don't, except that TP-abilities seem to require a trigger of some sort, not the least of which is age (or possibly something else linked with their age). By this, the powers can't be malevolant any more than the ability to sing is inherently bad. ... Wendy ladyslvr@xmission.com http://www.xmission.com/~ladyslvr/ Listowner: Tomorrow People fiction and discussion lists ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David_M_Yates" Subject: TPDIS: Addition to Will we ever be TP? Date: 12 May 2000 00:00:53 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFBBA5.23F7BEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ooops! I should have pointed out in my earlier definitions of witchcraft, sorcery etc that I am referring to how they are treated in fiction; and makes no attack on anyone's real-life beliefs. David. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFBBA5.23F7BEE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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A lost in space episode named this had a giant cyclops from the soil of its native planet, alien to us. Rash? Also, more seriously, isn't there a day that was lost in the calender that was supposedly when the rotation of the Earth was stopped during a war n the old Testament or am I misremembering this? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ruby Red Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 12 May 2000 10:40:04 +1000 On Thu, May 11, 2000 at 05:55:38PM -0500, Wendy Kelley wrote: > In discussions with on topics such as this, I frequently equate spell-casting > to the power of prayer. In both you're imploring a higher power to listen to > you and to affect some change. With spells, there're generally certain > things you have to do to make the higher power listen and/or to express to > it exactly what it is you want done. In prayer your words are enough. In > either case, what you want may or may not happen. > > The primary difference here is that with spells, you're asking either for the > direct help of the diety (in this case the Goddess) and/or for the diety to > loan you the power to get done what is needed, whereas in prayer you're > just putting your request out there for the diety (usually God) to hear and > answer as He sees fit. This is a *very* good explanation. I like it. It now enables me to clarify something I said earlier, about people who may be practicing sorcery even when they don't call it that. Because, basically, from (my understanding of) the Christian point of view, if one invokes the aid or help of *any* higher power *other* than God, then one is asking for help from Lucifer and/or his angels, no matter what names they call themselves, and no matter what short-term good may ensue. Satan is the father of lies, and can appear as an angel of light - of course most people aren't going to *knowingly* invoke the powers of darkness! Satan is quite happy to give people prosperity and things to make them happy - if that's what it takes to keep them away from God. The purpose of life is not to be happy - the purpose of life is to grow more mature. In one sense, it doesn't matter where the borderline is between sorcery and prayer - because if one is simply *praying* to the Goddess, then that just makes it idolatry rather than sorcery; still in the bad books from God's point of view. But, obviously, the TP aren't praying to anybody. On the other hand, visions of the future (as distinct from practices such as Tarot and Ouiji boards) could be for good or ill. God sent dreams to anyone, and visions to his prophets. False prophets also got visions, and the only way one could test them was to simply see if they came true. > As for the TP, their powers may be a gift from a diety, but the actual power, > the actual ability to use telekinesis, etc. is theirs to use as they desire. Yes, that is the rules for the TP universe - that these are natural, and not supernatural powers. The question of TP and evolution is an interesting one. When one considers that in the NS, TP's have been around since the time of Tutankhamen, then how long has this evolution been going on? And, indeed, evolutionarily speaking, they can't actually say that they are the next stage of evolution until they have a stable, reproducing, growing population - until then, they are just a hopeful mutation - right? Kathryn Andersen -- Ruby Red http://www.foobox.net/~kat http://www.crosswinds.net/~rubykat "Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas any more." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 11 May 2000 22:32:57 EDT In a message dated 00-05-11 00:05:18 EDT, you write: << I have to agree with some of the other replies... believing something doesn't make it real, or right. There is absolute truth. People may chose not to believe it or may misunderstand it, but God and his word are absolutes. >> I agree with you to an extent, however, I found many used this philosophy to exclude others or make others think God would exclude them. I believe God has a huge heart and that those who are mistaken, those are misguided, and even those who are wrong and somewhat evil seeming will learn either before or after they "pass on". The other side is a huge learning tier. Truly evil people will be on the lowest level in the lowest places for millennia. Pagans, Jewish people, Buddists, Catholics, even witches, will all go the Other Side and be happy in this afterlife. ANyway that is my belief. More people will go to "heaven" than will not. This goes against almost any manmade religion. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 12 May 2000 12:40:52 +1000 > From: Ruby Red [mailto:ruby@welkin.apana.org.au] > > The question of TP and evolution is an interesting one. When one > considers that in the NS, TP's have been around since the time of > Tutankhamen, then how long has this evolution been going on? > And, indeed, evolutionarily speaking, they can't actually say that > they are the next stage of evolution until they have a stable, > reproducing, growing population - until then, they are just a hopeful > mutation - right? Personally I don't think so - because of the Medusa Strain. Based on that, we know that in 500 years or so, Homo superior will be the dominant form of the genus Homo - and Homo sapiens will be all but extinct. That puts us in the position of being able to state that the TP are the next stage of human evolution - because we know one day they will have a stable population. Of course in the 'real world', that type of assurance wouldn't exist so the only way to be sure of it, would be for it to have actually happened. I don't really think you can talk about when the evolution of the TP started - evolution is a gradual process (perhaps with some rapid jumps as well) and depending on how you look at it, you could trace the beginning of evolution of the TP back a long way - to Proconsul, for example, or Australopithecus, simply because they do represent 'steps on the road'. Another way of looking at it - and this is my preferred idea - is to consider that man's evolution towards Homo superior began as soon as Homo sapiens sapiens became dominant over Homo sapiens neandertalis - it began from the moment Homo sapiens sapiens became the dominant species of man because evolution is a constant process that doesn't pause. In fact, as the distinction seems to be Homo superior versus Homo sapiens sapiens, I wonder if we should mark the beginning from as soon as man became Homo sapiens (from Homo erectus, IIRC) - after all Neandertal is generally considered to have been Homo sapiens as well, along with several other varieties. Personally, I've always wondered if the TP would be better considered Homo sapiens superior as opposed to Homo superior - whether or not, they really represent a large enough jump to warrant dropping the sapiens. None of this is my field - and if anyone wants to correct some of my science above from a basis of better training, please feel free (-8 Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jackie Clark Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 12 May 2000 09:43:32 +0100 CMento6653@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 00-05-11 18:54:29 EDT, you write: > > << > I wonder, if the Earth ever did become full of TP's, what they, or their > descendants would think of the decisions we make today? > >> > > That we do what we do because of selfishness, power, money, and sometimes > what we think is love! Or that we do what we do because of our socialisation, culture, genetic background, and sometimes what we think of as free will! Jackie -- http://www.effdee.demon.co.uk/manyarner/Homepg2000.html "May your senses be enlightened and your dreams be fulfilled." Traditional Manyarnern Greeting ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jackie Clark Subject: TPDIS: A TP way of life: Was, Will we be TP ? Date: 12 May 2000 09:44:17 +0100 Wendy Kelley wrote: > > An interesting interpretion, but one I can't agree with. In my experience > most people who are (or claim to be) practitioners of witchcraft want > *nothing* to do with the powers of darkness. Granted, there are some > that do. I knew a couple of people back in highschool who were quite > proud about being black-witches. But the majority of witches I've known > since then fully shun anything even related to the powers of darkness. > Mike mentioned the rule of three; this rule would be reason enough for > most witches to want to stay on the right side of the fence. IMHO there is no such thing as black or white magic only shades of grey. If you had the power to do something which you thought was for good there could always be a negative side that you don't see. Like that analogy of the butterfly who flaps it's wings in South America and it causes a disaster elsewhere in the world. We simply cannot know the full consequences of our action. The intention may be seen as white magic but the outcome may not be! This brings me to something I have often wondered about the TP. I think that living by the prime inhibition (especially as they seem to find themselves in so many life and death situations.) would be extremely difficult and could lead to many deep psychological traumas. If, for example, some psychotic alien was about to kill one of the TP and they wanted to prevent this but were frozen by their genetic programming into non action, wouldn't they suffer terribly afterwards? In one of the comic strips (I'm not sure who wrote the story so it's not really cannon) Stephen crashes a tube train which kills an alien and in another they save the Earth from a device that would melt the polar ice caps but place it back on the alien ship, from where it came, and it explodes. Surely they should not be able to do such things? If to save Earth they have to kill others this still seems wrong to me. It's that comment made by Carol "We can't kill... well not deliberately anyway!" which has always bugged me. If a TP was to think through the consequences of their actions they might discover that they had inadvertently caused someone's death. This could lead to endless internal recriminations and possibly mental illness! What I'm trying to say is that to do the 'right' thing can often have bad side effects. Life as a TP must be like walking a very fine moral tightrope. > As for the TP, their powers may be a gift from a diety, but the actual power, > the actual ability to use telekinesis, etc. is theirs to use as they desire. > It's the same as any other talent, e.g. the ability to sing. The talent itself > is the gift. Opening your mouth and making noise is the individual's choice. > The amount of training and/or practice the individual chooses to have to > enhance his/her gift is also a choice. So, two people with equal talents to > sing could have vastly different skill levels. > I agree absolutely. Perhaps, on a world full of TP's, there would be some who choose not to use their powers at all? Like those people who reject technology and live a simpler way of life, a sub group of TP's could form who believe that the use of the powers may cause more harm than good. Personally I feel that to have belief and faith in something is all part of human nature. I can imagine a TP world where there are different religious practices, some old, some new and some even borrowed from other worlds. It would still be an individuals choice in how and when to use their powers. Jackie -- http://www.effdee.demon.co.uk/manyarner/Homepg2000.html "May your senses be enlightened and your dreams be fulfilled." Traditional Manyarnern Greeting ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MYSTERIOUS M Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 12 May 2000 10:04:28 -0600 (CST) I'm not removing myself from the tpdis list because of any religious reasons, as I enjoy these discussions, but the fact that my inbox keeps getting clogged up has led me to this decision, as I had to with the tpfict list. Till we all jaunt together again... Marcell J. Elsegood - Sinfonian, ZS, Spring 1994 ACPR/CPR-Elect P23 "The Homo that the 'phobe fears worst is the one Within" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kristy Fahrenwald" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 12 May 2000 10:05:32 CDT >ANyway that is my belief. More >people will go to "heaven" than will not. This goes against almost any >manmade religion. > It also goes against the Bible. (Matt 7:13-14) But it is certainly a popular belief today. Kristy ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Matott" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 12 May 2000 12:55:15 PDT >Michael Matott wrote: > > (Which frankly I think is important since no one > > alive today has likely read the Bible in any of the languages it was > > originally written in.) >The Torah has been passed down *exactly* for generations upon >generations in its original language (supposedly since it was given to I didn't know it was originally written in Hebrew. I know a number of the books that our current translations come from were from Greek translations of still older texts. I've heard theories of different books being written in aramaic, sumerian, etc. But so far as certain lines of text (I'm thinking from New Testament "suffer not a witch to live") there were definite mistakes in translations. mike ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Matott" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 12 May 2000 13:03:12 PDT >It now enables me to clarify something I said earlier, about people >who may be practicing sorcery even when they don't call it that. >Because, basically, from (my understanding of) the Christian point >of view, if one invokes the aid or help of *any* higher power *other* >than God, then one is asking for help from Lucifer and/or his angels, <> To play Devil's Advocate :-) - What happens when Christians pray to the Saints or to Mary? Is this a special exception? And interestingly, some Christian saints were adopted pagan deities (Brigid comes to mind). So, would a person praying to a saint that was originally a deity in another religion be committing idolatry? Feeling the need to bring this back on-topic. It occurs to me that we have one TP who was brought up with a very religious background - Hsui Tai. She was made to believe she was a goddess. You would think her abilities would reemphasize that notion in her, rather than eliminating it. Hmm, might make for an interesting fan-fic. The TPs having to convince Hsui Tai that she really wasn't a goddess. :-> mike ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Matott" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 12 May 2000 13:23:39 PDT >From: "David_M_Yates" >be clear what we mean when using such terms as "Sorcery, witchcraft and >Psi-abilities." (Others might disagree with these definitions, they're not >SF canon, they just work for me.) I definitely disagree. I want to offer some suggestions of fiction and literature that provide very good instances as to what magic and witchcraft are. Many people derive their understanding of these subjects from some very poor sources - film and pop-fiction. If your take on withcraft comes from Bewitched, Sabrina, The Craft, or Charmed, you've been given a great deal of misinformation. By the same token, fantasy novels (Tolkein, Robert Jordan, etc.) are simply that - fantasy. I have *never* seen a witch throw a fireball, fly, throw lightning bolts, etc. Nor do we all sit around a fire in black robes cackling and tossing bits of amphibians into cauldrons. > >"Sorcery" to borrow from David Edgings' Belgariad series, is the exercise >of >"The will and the word." In other words, focussing your will and shaping >reality to your own pattern. This is a decent definition for magick. Which is separate from witchcraft. Witchraft is a specific type of magick-working. Many people who practice magick do not practice witchcraft. And witchcraft doesn't always involve magick - herbalism comes to mind. >"Witchcraft" is somewhat different. To quote from Arthur Miller's play "The >Crucible" Witchcraft is "The conjuring of evil spirits" Getting a familiar >spirit to obey you and use its powers to alter reality. Incantations, >sacrifices, and strange ceremonies are all a part of this. I would imagine >that most practitioners of this form of power would see themselves as being >in league with the powers of darkness. Eep. Shame on you, David. :-) Arthur Miller is not the best source for a definition on witchcraft. And when one realizes that The Crucible was a thinly veiled statement about the Red Scare and the McCarthy hearings, that definition takes on a new light - as a propaganda tool for a small group of power-mad people. Arthur Miller was taking a stab back at the people that hounded him and his colleagues into giving people up. I would offer a much nicer definition of witchcraft can be found in the works of Marion Zimmer Bradley, particularly in "The Mists of Avalon". If you want to get a really good idea of what magick and sorcery are like, that would be a good place to start. I can make other recommendatiosn to interested people - email me. As far back as the etymology of the word can be traced, 'witch' refers to a wise woman. (It also may refer to a type of reed carried by the woman who performed midwivery and herbalism as a sign of their office) So, a witch is someone who uses ancient knowledge. The black-white magick debate was brought up and that's a kettle of fish I don't want to go into other than to say that as with any religion, there are some that believe in absolutes (Good/Evil), others that believe in a continuum (Good----Evil), and others that believe that people fall within in a continuum but that the absolutes have real manifestations (God/Goddess=good; Devil/Demons=evil). Believe me when I say it is quite possible to be a witch and not practice black magic. Heck, I'm an atheist so I *can't* be communing with evil spirits. :-) I work with elements (earth, air, fire, water, spirit) which are decidedly neutral in terms of things like good/bad. And the association of 'dark' powers with evil is a strong one in this culture, but does not hold in all systems. Halloween (Samhain) is a time to reflect on the passing between this world and the spirit world. During that time the veil between worlds thins and one can feel the influence of one on the other. In many ways, this leads to 'dark energy' but that's not evil. It's simply uncomfortable to some because the living don't like to deal with the dead. All right, I'll stop now. I'm sure there are lots of people out there that don't want to hear me lecture on witchcraft as much as I don't want to be lectured on Christianity. mike ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 12 May 2000 17:04:14 EDT In a message dated 00-05-12 11:05:59 EDT, you write: << It also goes against the Bible. (Matt 7:13-14) But it is certainly a popular belief today. >> Well going against the Bible is one thing...it was written by men. Yes some believe men inspired by the Holy Spirit (and I do believe this) however the vessel --man--is imperfect. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 12 May 2000 17:36:03 EDT In a message dated 00-05-11 22:41:46 EDT, you write: << TP's have been around since the time of > Tutankhamen, then how long has this evolution been going on? >> Only based in the SECOND Newer Series. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rhoboat@juno.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 12 May 2000 14:44:13 -0700 On Fri, 12 May 2000 12:40:52 +1000 "Hately, Shaun" writes: << <> >> <> <> It's not my field either, but it's a dangerous question to ask of someone who just took a final exam with evolution as a main topic today. There are lots of views to evolution, but the Darwin's main principle was that of "descent with modification." So, really, evolution has no goal, just that the species that survive are the ones that can reproduce better. As to when the evolution of the TP started, that can be viewed in many ways as well. Some believe in anagenesis, which is the gradual process of going from one species to the next. Then there's cladogenesis, where you have branch-like development of species. For example, biologists believe that chimps, humans, gorillas, and monkeys all evolved from some common ancestor, each going in their own direction. (Notice, the reversal of chimps and humans: DNA studies have shown that chimps are more related to us than they are to gorillas.) With cladogenesis, there are two views as well: gradual change and punctuated equilibrium, which says that there are periods of little change, and then sudden changes that happen over a relatively short period of time. A "relatively short period of time" could mean tens of thousands of years, when you consider the age of the Earth. So, if you look at that view, then Tutankhamun is not from all that long ago. As to the naming of humans as Homo sapiens sapiens, Homo superior, etc., a lot of that can be arbitrary. So, looking over what I said, "next stage in evolution" seems a bit of a misnomer. Should be something more like "development of new species," or something like that... I dunno. If I'm wrong, sorry. Rho ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AgentRacerX@cs.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Survey Date: 12 May 2000 18:07:39 EDT Well, I certainly took my sweet time getting around to answering this. Dumb stupid APs. Dumb stupid history research paper. > 1) Male/Female? female > 2) Where do you live? New York > 3) Age? 16 > 4) Highest academic degree? Nearing the end of my sophmore year. > 5) Area of studies / occupation? I used to do all sorts of science stuff outside of school, but recently I've been getting more into the liberal arts as well. > 6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?) ? According to one of those stupid tests you can download. Dunno if that counts. > 7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? Depends. I need a fair amount of time to myself, but when I'm in school or around friends I'll talk people to death sometimes. Then again, I have my days where I don't feel inclined to say much of anything. > 8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or did you > consider yourself to be popular as a child? Well, I'm in highschool, which is apparently horrific for a lot of people, but it doesn't bother me. I'm certainly not in the "popular" group, but my schools pretty cool in that you can be socially accepted without being fashionable, etc. Personally, I've never thought much of the distinction between "different" and "normal." Fact is, I've never met anyone who I thought was "normal." I've always been a little on the odd side I suppose, but I like it, my friends are friends with me because of who I am, and I think that's cool. If someone thinks they're too good for me, that's their problem. Besides, would you actually *want* to be in the popular group. Looks to me like they've always got too much to worry about. I'll get off my soapbox now > 9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided Yes. > 10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? Oh, nine or ten. > 11) What did you see first (OS or NS)? NS. > 12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? Never seen the OS, so I'd have to go w/ NS by default. > 13) Favorite OS episode? n/a > 14) Favorite NS episode? Origin Story or Rameses > 15) Worse OS episode? n/a > 16) Worse NS episode? Monsoon Man > 17) Favorite OS TP? n/a > 18) Favorite NS TP? Megabyte > 19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and teen TV > shows? n/a > 20) Other than TP, favorite TV show(s) /books? Well, I've certainly got a thing for anime (I've noticed a lot of other people on the list do as well). Record of Lodoss War, DBZ (I know, I know. . . ), Speed Racer (I guess that'll shut you up about DBZ ). Princess Monoke was incredible. TV: Farscape, X Files (although it sucks now), Highlander, Daria, Buffy/Angel (they're so bad they're fun). I don't watch much of Highlander or Daria anymore. books: Eh, this is gonna be really abbreviated. Kurt Vonnegut, Dumas, Sandman, First Light by Richard Preston, and various other things I can remember at the moment. Alright, a lot of things. -Nicole ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: TPDIS: Correcting a boo boo (-8 Date: 13 May 2000 09:21:07 +1000 I wrote this yesterday for TPDIS - and then accidentally sent it to one of the serious lists I am on for discussing the needs of intellectually gifted children. It sparked some interesting discussion (-8 Anyway, here I correct myself: Just something of interest to people on this list, relevant to the next stage of human evolution idea - I know of a book in the works that will be examining certain phenomena found among profoundly gifted children, which the author feels may be representative of something that could mark a potential evolutionary step. The next stage of human evolution may be among us now... and the date it seems to have begun... early 1970s (-8 Shaun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: scott goldman Subject: TPDIS: X-MEN Preview Date: 12 May 2000 20:06:41 -0400 (EDT) I don't know if anyone has seen the X-MEN preview, BUT, It begins with a scientist standing in front of a large groups saying something like "The Next stage of evolution has begin... there are mutants amoung us already..." It then goes on to to talk about dr xavier (sp?) and his school where the mutants can learn to control their special powers I don't read the X-MEN comics, but this similarity (at least at this level) is interesting... Does anyone know anything about it? Scott ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Matott" Subject: Re: TPDIS: X-MEN Preview Date: 12 May 2000 21:58:20 PDT > >I don't know if anyone has seen the X-MEN preview, BUT, many, many times... > >It begins with a scientist standing in front of a large groups saying >something like "The Next stage of evolution has begin... there are >mutants amoung us already..." It's actually a senator testifying before Congress (unless you mean the woman, who might be a scientist. It's hard to tell. The man is Senator Kelly). > >It then goes on to to talk about dr xavier (sp?) and his school where the >mutants can learn to control their special powers Professor Charles Xavier > >I don't read the X-MEN comics, but this similarity (at least at this >level) is interesting... Does anyone know anything about it? > Quite a bit. I imagine X-Men would appeal to many of the people on the list (based on the survey) who felt different growing up. One of the major points of X-Men has always been about what it's like to grow up and discover you're different from the rest of the human race. And in some people's cases, they can't hide what they are while others can 'pass'. The parallels for that and racism, homophobia, and just about any other type of discrimination are pretty evident. Some interesting parallels to TP: Mutants are referred to by some as the next stage in human evolution - Homo superior. :-) They derive their abilities from an X-factor in their genetic makeup. The only other similarities one could draw to the Tomorrow People is that they have access to very sophisticated technology and have contact with alien races and empires that the rest of the Earth are not aware of. Oh yeah, and one X-Man, Jean Grey - Pheonix - has the powers of telepathy and telekinesis. And when she became Dark Pheonix was capable of warping space-time, in essence 'jaunting' across light years. ;-) Otherwise, no real parallels. (Although Nightcrawler, a devilish looking teleporter referred to what he did as 'jaunting' in a recent issue) mike ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: X-MEN Preview Date: 13 May 2000 15:32:33 +1000 >Some interesting parallels to TP: Mutants are referred to by some as the >next stage in human evolution - Homo superior. :-) actually can claim to have precedence on the term over TP. The X-Men have >been around since the late 60's.> The term dates back in Sci-Fi literature until considerably earlier than that (I'm not saying, Michael, that you are claiming it originated with the X-Men - I just thought that seeing their earlier use of it has come up, this might be of interest to others.) The earliest use of the term in Sci-Fi that I know of (there may be earlier useages) is in Olaf Stapledon's 'Odd John' first published in 1935 (main character named John Wainwright - I've often considered this is potentially a good surname for John in fanfic) - in fact, Julian May's Galactic Milieu novels reference this book as affecting the development of one of the first psionic humans in that SciFi universe. Incidentally, the term The Tomorrow People wasn't unprecedented either - Judith Merril wrote a Sci-Fi novel of that name in 1960 (main characters named Johnny and Lis). Shaun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darryl Gillikin" Subject: Re: TPDIS: X-MEN Preview Date: 12 May 2000 23:35:16 PDT >>It begins with a scientist standing in front of a large groups saying >>something like "The Next stage of evolution has begin... there are >>mutants amoung us already..." > > >It's actually a senator testifying before Congress (unless you mean the >woman, who might be a scientist. It's hard to tell. The man is Senator >Kelly). That's no scientist, that's Jean Grey! :) [snip] >>I don't read the X-MEN comics, but this similarity (at least at this >>level) is interesting... Does anyone know anything about it? >> > >Quite a bit. I imagine X-Men would appeal to many of the people on the >list >(based on the survey) who felt different growing up. One of the major >points of X-Men has always been about what it's like to grow up and >discover >you're different from the rest of the human race. And in some people's >cases, they can't hide what they are while others can 'pass'. The >parallels >for that and racism, homophobia, and just about any other type of >discrimination are pretty evident. And therein lies the strength of the concept. All the hype and buzz for this thing has been touting it as a character driven story with action sequences, rather than the all action, all testosterone, who has the biggest muscles and biggest breasts the comic (like most of the rest of comickind ) devolved into in the 90s. :) >Some interesting parallels to TP: Mutants are referred to by some as the >next stage in human evolution - Homo superior. :-) actually can claim to have precedence on the term over TP. The X-Men have >been around since the late 60's.> They derive their abilities from an >X-factor in their genetic makeup. > >The only other similarities one could draw to the Tomorrow People is that >they have access to very sophisticated technology and have contact with >alien races and empires that the rest of the Earth are not aware of. > >Oh yeah, and one X-Man, Jean Grey - Pheonix Marvel Girl. :) >- has the powers of telepathy >and telekinesis. And when she became Dark Pheonix was capable of warping >space-time, in essence 'jaunting' across light years. ;-) > >Otherwise, no real parallels. (Although Nightcrawler, a devilish looking >teleporter referred to what he did as 'jaunting' in a recent issue) Bamph! :) Darryl ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David_M_Yates" Subject: Re: TPDIS: X-MEN Preview Date: 13 May 2000 10:50:59 +0100 >Oh yeah, and one X-Man, Jean Grey - Pheonix - has the powers of telepathy >and telekinesis. And when she became Dark Pheonix was capable of warping >space-time, in essence 'jaunting' across light years. ;-) Professor X himself is also a powerful telepath with powers that would outstrip the TP's telepathy if it ever came to a conflict. In the forthcoming film he is gong to be played by Patrick Stewart (Capt. Jean-Luc Picard) I can hardly wait!! > >Otherwise, no real parallels. (Although Nightcrawler, a devilish looking >teleporter referred to what he did as 'jaunting' in a recent issue) The X-Men would make for a great crossover fiction.......Hmmmmm! < goes away from the computer thinking....> David. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David_M_Yates" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 13 May 2000 10:44:11 +0100 ><< TP's have been around since the time of > > Tutankhamen, then how long has this evolution been going on? >> > >Only based in the SECOND Newer Series. > The Kulthan and their use of Pyramids was also established in the Original Series. If there were no Psi-capable people on the planet, why build a Psi-Dampener? Also didn't the Kulthan feed on telepaths? If there were no telepaths, why come to Earth at all? David ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David_M_Yates" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 13 May 2000 10:41:31 +0100 >If your take on withcraft comes >from Bewitched, Sabrina, The Craft, or Charmed, you've been given a great >deal of misinformation. By the same token, fantasy novels (Tolkein, Robert >Jordan, etc.) are simply that - fantasy. I have *never* seen a witch throw >a fireball, fly, throw lightning bolts, etc. Nor do we all sit around a >fire in black robes cackling and tossing bits of amphibians into cauldrons. I wouldn't presume to think that real witches are anything like they are portrayed in pop-fiction. I was looking at fictional witches, and how some authors and literary genres treat the subject. > >> >>"Sorcery" to borrow from David Edgings' Belgariad series, is the exercise >>of >>"The will and the word." In other words, focussing your will and shaping >>reality to your own pattern. >Eep. Shame on you, David. :-) Arthur Miller is not the best source for a >definition on witchcraft. And when one realizes that The Crucible was a >thinly veiled statement about the Red Scare and the McCarthy hearings, that >definition takes on a new light - Fair comment, I studied "The Crucible" for 'A' Level Literature. Millar's political undertones aside. The idea of casting a familiar spirit is a widely used literary convention when dealing with magic. >I would offer a much nicer definition of witchcraft can be found in the >works of Marion Zimmer Bradley, particularly in "The Mists of Avalon I've read this book, and many of her other ones. Excellent books which I found thought provoking. May I also suggest to you Stephen Lawhead's "Pendragon cycle"? <<>>>> >To play Devil's Advocate :-) - What happens when Christians pray to the >Saints or to Mary? Is this a special exception? We don't pray TO the Saints or Mary. We ask them to pray to God on our behalf. which is quite a different thing. <<<<>>>>> >Feeling the need to bring this back on-topic. It occurs to me that we have >one TP who was brought up with a very religious background - Hsui Tai. She >was made to believe she was a goddess. You would think her abilities would >reemphasize that notion in her, rather than eliminating it. Hmm, might make >for an interesting fan-fic. The TPs having to convince Hsui Tai that she >really wasn't a goddess. :-> Now THERE'S an interesting idea!!! >All right, I'll stop now. I'm sure there are lots of people out there that >don't want to hear me lecture on witchcraft as much as I don't want to be >lectured on Christianity. I wouldn't presume to:-) Let's agree that I respect your views if you respect mine? David. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 13 May 2000 09:37:52 EDT In a message dated 00-05-13 05:54:47 EDT, you write: << The Kulthan and their use of Pyramids was also established in the Original Series. If there were no Psi-capable people on the planet, why build a Psi-Dampener? Also didn't the Kulthan feed on telepaths? If there were no telepaths, why come to Earth at all? >> Yes that does make sense but they might have done this in case tps broke out. No where in the series does it say that there were other TP before John. In fact, the Kulthan did this so that human beings would not break out. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kristy Fahrenwald" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 13 May 2000 10:06:42 CDT > >To play Devil's Advocate :-) - What happens when Christians pray to the > >Saints or to Mary? Is this a special exception? > >We don't pray TO the Saints or Mary. We ask them to pray to God on our >behalf. which is quite a different thing. And I don't think any Christians besides the Catholics do even that. Which I have to say I don't really see much difference in myself. Kristy ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SunStar77@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: X-MEN Preview Date: 13 May 2000 13:44:03 EDT The X-Men are a group of individuals, called mutants who have an extra gene called the x-factor. It causes a mutation which gives them special powers, deformities and other wierd attrubutes (green hair and such). Some of them are telepathic and one of them, Nightcrawler can line of sight teleport. I never really thought of it as similar to TP but I guess it's along the same lines. Sun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David_M_Yates" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Kulthan and the Psi Dampener (Was Will we be TP ?) Date: 13 May 2000 23:52:59 +0100 >Yes that does make sense but they might have done this in case tps broke out. >No where in the series does it say that there were other TP before John. In >fact, the Kulthan did this so that human beings would not break out. I still think it could be argued either way. There obviously weren't any TP's while the Psi Dampener was functioning, but there could have been before it was built. The thousands of years between Tutankhamun and John are easily explained by the Kulthan. David ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Nolan Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 14 May 2000 12:01:36 +1000 Hello, I have been laying quiet on this discussion, as it has often got off topic which it wasnt ment to do, just relay an interesting discussion. But just one point, I would like to clarify, and yes its off topic. Catholics dont pray to Saint. We only pray to God. Full Stop. We do however ask people who have been religious role models to pray with us, as we believe that they are enternal beings, ( as all people are ), and when we pray, we ask them to pray with us. Its exactly the same thing as praying in a bible study, or ringing a friend and asking them to pray with us, or for us, if we need prayers. Now, there are some people in the church, who have taken it to extremes, but catholic teaching isnt about praying to any one like they are another GOD. On another point, I tend to think like Shaun, that the next stage of human development has started already in our time, btu i think more the 60's than the 70's, etc. I also believe that as our brains develop more and more, ( Have you notices the increased ability of our youth, compaired to when we were young, etc.) That its possible that basic TP developement will occur. cheers tony At 10:06 AM 5/13/00 CDT, you wrote: >> >To play Devil's Advocate :-) - What happens when Christians pray to the >> >Saints or to Mary? Is this a special exception? >> >>We don't pray TO the Saints or Mary. We ask them to pray to God on our >>behalf. which is quite a different thing. > >And I don't think any Christians besides the Catholics do even that. Which >I have to say I don't really see much difference in myself. > >Kristy >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: andthesixarrived Subject: TPDIS: tomorrow people Date: 14 May 2000 00:19:53 CDT SHlT M0THERFVCKA. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: andthesixarrived Subject: TPDIS: messages? Date: 14 May 2000 00:23:40 CDT are my messages coming through? ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: andthesixarrived Subject: TPDIS: list too weird Date: 14 May 2000 01:13:03 CDT SHlT M0THAFVCKA!!! This list is way too weird! the tomorrow people is an = old sci-fi show so low on ratings you can't even call it a cult classic! the = old show was nothing but a pile of SHlT! The new show was better, of course. = I'm just way freaked out about how serious you guys treat these shows, squeez= ing all discussion topics from it to a bloody pulp. What's with that? all of = you guys are losers, especially shaun. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeffe Boats" Subject: TPDIS: Lesser life forms Date: 14 May 2000 02:43:14 EDT Have you ever noticed the Tomorrow People, both Old Series and New Series, have an uncanny tendency to find themselves amongst the most unintelligent, boorish, and simple-minded humans on the planet? That's always been one of my favorite plot elements, even though it may occasionally parallel life a little too closely. Still, that's the key to great science fiction, eh? It has to stay at least remotely believable. Nothing like stupid characters in supporting roles to accent the elevated character and integrity of the heros. --Jeffe ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: list too weird Date: 14 May 2000 17:44:38 +1000 >************!!! This list is way too weird! the tomorrow people is an old >sci-fi show so low on ratings you can't even call it a cult classic! the old >show was nothing but a pile of ****! The new show was better, of course. I'm >just way freaked out about how serious you guys treat these shows, squeezing >all discussion topics from it to a bloody pulp. What's with that? all of you >guys are losers, especially shaun. Thanks for your opinion. I will treat it with the level of respect it deserves. This list currently has only seven guidelines (http://www.xmission.com/~ladyslvr/gftch/rules.htm). You have managed to violate two of them - 1) 1) TPDIS is a general audience list. There are no restrictions against talking about topics such as homosexuality, religion or politics, but all posts must be kept clean and geared towards a family audience. The use of profanity is not permitted. and 7) 7) No flaming. Both the TP lists are privately owned and operated. In other words, what constitutes flaming is solely at the discretion of the listowner and/or assistant list administrators. So far, neither list has ever had a problem with flamers. Let's try to keep it that way. I will leave it to Wendy to decide what to do to you in terms of the list. However, I have informed your e-mail provider of your behaviour. You are also in violation of their terms of service. Shaun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: TPDIS: Schmid appears in THE LOST WORLD Date: 14 May 2000 11:45:10 EDT The scenes to next week of SIR ARTHUR CONAN DOYLE'S THE LOST WORLD featured Kristian Schmid of the NEW Tp series. He seems to be playing a warrior or escaped slave or both. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AgentRacerX@cs.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Schmid appears in THE LOST WORLD Date: 14 May 2000 13:23:17 EDT In a message dated 5/14/00 11:45:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, CMento6653@aol.com writes: > The scenes to next week of SIR ARTHUR CONAN DOYLE'S THE LOST WORLD featured > Kristian Schmid of the NEW Tp series. He seems to be playing a warrior or > escaped slave or both. Would you happen to know the time, station, and date details? Thanks. -Nicole ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ruby Red Subject: Re: TPDIS: Lesser life forms Date: 14 May 2000 21:40:43 +1000 On Sun, May 14, 2000 at 02:43:14AM -0400, Jeffe Boats wrote: > > Have you ever noticed the Tomorrow People, both Old Series and New > Series, have an uncanny tendency to find themselves amongst the most > unintelligent, boorish, and simple-minded humans on the planet? > > That's always been one of my favorite plot elements, even though it may > occasionally parallel life a little too closely. Still, that's the key to > great science fiction, eh? It has to stay at least remotely believable. > Nothing like stupid characters in supporting roles to accent the elevated > character and integrity of the heros. I assume your sarcasm is on? Yes, I found that irritating too. (-8 And it didn't always happen to be the humans who were stupid, either. Mind you, is it the SF-ness of it that did that - or the fact that they were making a children's show, and therefore thought that they had to write *down* to their audience? I mean, in the best episodes, their adversaries were neither boorish nor stupid. NS - The Rameses Connection OS - The Blue and the Green, Secret Weapon, The Dirtiest Business etc. I remember one TV SF writer saying (maybe it was Mark Shirrefs, I can't remember) that he liked to make his villains really strong, so that Our Heros can actually have a worthy opponent. Good practice. KJA -- Ruby Red http://www.foobox.net/~kat http://www.crosswinds.net/~rubykat "Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas any more." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Schmid appears in THE LOST WORLD Date: 14 May 2000 14:07:14 EDT THE LOST WORLD is syndicated so it is on diffrent times, days, dates, etc and stations in all parts of the country and world. Check yoru local listings seems appropriate but inadequate. In NY it is on Sat at 4:30 am and SUndays 10:30 am but if there is a ball game than it is on SUndays at 9am or 9:30 am, Saturdays at 1am or 2am. Help;? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: andthesixarrived Subject: TPDIS: apology Date: 14 May 2000 15:13:57 CDT you'll have to excuse me for the past few messages i've been posting. you= see, i've been in a bad mood do to PMS. For those who don't know what PMS is, = it's when my pussy bleeds. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "marmion116" Subject: TPDIS: Re:TPDIS will we be TP Date: 14 May 2000 23:14:34 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0423_01BFBDFA.2A975E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CMento6653@AOL wrote << TP's have been around since the time of > Tutankhamen, then how long has this evolution been going on? >> Only based in the SECOND Newer Series I think that it was hinted in the OS that TPs should have appeared long = before but for the machine left by the Khultan, in the pyramid, which = suppressed psi powers but finally stopped working. Carolyn ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "marmion116" Subject: Re:TPDIS:Survey Date: 14 May 2000 22:55:05 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02B7_01BFBDF7.71DC54A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry this is so late 1) Male/Female? Female > >2) Where do you live? Liverpool england> >3) Age? 39> >4) Highest academic degree? BSC Physics >5) Area of studies / occupation? Marketing Analyst (database segmentation etc) > >6) Do you consider yourself with above average intelligence (IQ?) ? Yes some >7) Do you consider yourself an introvert or extrovert? Introvert > >8) Growing up did you feel in some ways different to your peers? Or did = you >consider yourself to be popular as a child? I was never popular at school >9) Do you believe in psychic abilities? yes/no/undecided maybe > >10) At what age did you get hooked on the TP? 14, I think=20 > >11) What did you see first (OS or NS)? OS > >12) Which series do you prefer (OS or NS, or either)? OS > >13) Favourite OS episode? Blue and Green > >14) Favourite NS episode? "The Rameses Connection" > >15) Worse OS episode? Living skins > >16) Worse NS episode? "Monsoon Man" > >17) Favourite OS TP? John > >18) Favourite NS TP? Adam > >19) If you are over 18 yrs old do you watch childrens cartoons and teen = TV >shows? sometimes > >20) Other than TP, favourite TV show(s) /books? Dr Who, Star Trek, 12th Night, John Wyndham, reading, I enjoy a very = wide range of subjects=20 Carolyn ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vivian Arney Subject: Re: TPDIS: Lesser life forms Date: 15 May 2000 12:35:13 -0700 (PDT) > I remember one TV SF writer saying (maybe it was Mark Shirrefs, I > can't remember) that he liked to make his villains really strong, so > that Our Heros can actually have a worthy opponent. Good practice. I agree - Baddies like Jedikiah, The Master, Dr Loveless, Murdoch, Moriarty, Dr. Zin, Tan, Lex Luthor, etc have always given our heroes a challenge - I LOVE it!! viv Vivian Arney P.O. Box 4187 Austin, Tx 78765-4187 We've been selling Fanfiction, memorabilia and books for twelve years. SASE for more info. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Matott" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Lesser life forms Date: 15 May 2000 13:44:18 PDT RE: Strong villains for strong heroes. The flip side, of course, is to keep our heroes with believable or potential weaknesses. The more you add in powers as plot devices, the harder it is to find ways of keeping the hero in danger long enough to find a way out. :-) I think the original series had a number of hits and misses when it came to these 'limitations' imposed on the characters. Some were so obvious they screamed plot device (how many times did we hear that "galactic communications are not very good now, John"?) Some interesting ones from other shows and genres: Dr. Who with K9 and the sonic screwdriver. They dropped both of those pieces because they became the default solution to any problem. Martian Manhunter (a DC character with even more powers than Superman) was vulnerable to fire. They took this vulnerability away and then someone figured out the character would then be more powerful than Superman (a no-no in the DCU) and they gave him back that vulnerability. (Otherwise, how do you beat a character who can do everything Superman can do, plus can be invisible, intangible, read minds, and is telekinetic?) I had a few others but I'm blanking at the mo'. There are *tons* of examples in comics. Usually it's a matter of one writer beefing up a character and then another writer coming in and not liking what was done. I know, though, that there were other examples of it from sci-fi and fantasy television. Where someone couldn't use a power or talent for a specific reason - because then the episode would be over in fifteen minutes. :-) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jackie Clark Subject: TPDIS: Taking my tp seriously! Date: 16 May 2000 22:48:16 +0100 I wrote this response a few days ago but upon reflection I still think I'd like to express my views. andthesixarrived wrote: > I'm just way freaked out about how serious you guys treat these shows. IMHO this mail is not worthy of a reply but there was one point which i wanted to say. Yes we do take our TP seriously. This list is a community which shares special values with one another. I have never met a nicer bunch of people, special people who, form their responses to the recent survey, share something in common. Most of us seem to have shared the feelings that we do not fit in, many have suffered some form of bullying in our youth or for some particular reason e.g. very high intelligence or because they too had some form of psychic ability, were marginalized from the rest of their peer group. Over the years I've been a part of this group I have heard so many people say that they felt like they were different and that to meet other like minded people was a blessing. TP doesn't always have to be serious, some posts make me rofl. Some, especially when a new listee says how great it is to find other's like themselves in the world, are full of joy. But most of all the discussion that we have is stimulating and makes me see the world from many different viewpoints. When I was young I rushed home to watch TP, a tv programme which filled my imagination with all kinds of possibilities and as I've said before inspired my career. Now I rush home to check my mail, which still stimulates my mind in so many ways. As individuals we are drawn to this show (New and Old Series) for many reasons, for nostalgia, for intellectual debate and for entertainment. There are at this time 70 people subscribed and 30-40 who regularly post. As individuals we each bring our own opinions to the list, contributing as much or as little as we like, sometimes we disagree but that is all part of the fun! All I want to say is that I feel this group of people are special, we share more than a love for a cult TV show, we share a vision of hope for the future of this planet! I think I'm going on bit too much. Jackie who woke up in a very serious mood today ;) -- http://www.effdee.demon.co.uk/manyarner/Homepg2000.html "May your senses be enlightened and your dreams be fulfilled." Traditional Manyarnern Greeting ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "JR" Subject: TPDIS: Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 07:14:15 -0500 Date: 16 May 2000 18:08:46 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01BFBF06.57F5D1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all=20 ive got bad news my dad at the age of 52 has been diagnosed with lung = cancer and it pretty much is in gods hands so if you could please if = your are praying type please pray for Jim Jobe thank you=20 JR=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01BFBF06.57F5D1A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all
ive got bad news my dad at the age of 52 has been = diagnosed=20 with lung cancer and it pretty much is in gods hands so if you could = please if=20 your are praying type please pray for Jim Jobe thank you
 
JR
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My partner's mother was just diagnosed = with cancer,=20 and she is diabetic.  My prayers are with all of us who are having = a=20 difficult time.  I'm sorry to hear about your father JR, and I will = pray=20 for both families.
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Hi all
ive got bad news my dad at the age of 52 has been = diagnosed=20 with lung cancer and it pretty much is in gods hands so if you could = please if=20 your are praying type please pray for Jim Jobe thank you
 
JR
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BFBF6C.DF2CEDA0-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Wiltsie" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Taking my tp seriously! Date: 16 May 2000 19:35:55 -0600 I agree Jackie. Some thing's in life do seem similar. I myself was bullied in high school and junior high. I met a friend who lives about an hour away now, when she was just a few doors away. When I mentioned the TP to her she and I both sat down to watch her tape of the first episode. Ever since then, I have been out looking for other like minded people. Not often do I post to this discussion list, but I always find comfort in knowing that these people do not judge you or think ill thoughts of other people who are on the list. When I saw the post from the person who was in the throws of a hormone trip, I was appalled at the way she spoke us. I hope that other people agree, and was glad when I heard that someone had notified their ISP about the issue. Well I'm going to go back in seclusion but I wanted to post something about this topic. Thank you John ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 3:48 PM > I wrote this response a few days ago but upon reflection I still think > I'd like to express my views. > > andthesixarrived wrote: > > I'm just way freaked out about how serious you guys treat these shows. > > IMHO this mail is not worthy of a reply but there was one point which i > wanted to say. > Yes we do take our TP seriously. This list is a community which shares > special values with one another. I have never met a nicer bunch of > people, special people who, form their responses to the recent survey, > share something in common. Most of us seem to have shared the feelings > that we do not fit in, many have suffered some form of bullying in our > youth or for some particular reason e.g. very high intelligence or > because they too had some form of psychic ability, were marginalized > from the rest of their peer group. > > > Over the years I've been a part of this group I have heard so many > people say that they felt like they were different and that to meet > other like minded people was a blessing. > > TP doesn't always have to be serious, some posts make me rofl. Some, > especially when a new listee says how great it is to find other's like > themselves in the world, are full of joy. But most of all the discussion > that we have is stimulating and makes me see the world from many > different viewpoints. When I was young I rushed home to watch TP, a tv > programme which filled my imagination with all kinds of possibilities > and as I've said before inspired my career. Now I rush home to check my > mail, which still stimulates my mind in so many ways. > > > As individuals we are drawn to this show (New and Old Series) for many > reasons, for nostalgia, for intellectual debate and for entertainment. > There are at this time 70 people subscribed and 30-40 who regularly > post. As individuals we each bring our own opinions to the list, > contributing as much or as little as we like, sometimes we disagree but > that is all part of the fun! All I want to say is that I feel this group > of people are special, we share more than a love for a cult TV show, we > share a vision of hope for the future of this planet! > > > I think I'm going on bit too much. > Jackie who woke up in a very serious mood today ;) > > > > > -- > http://www.effdee.demon.co.uk/manyarner/Homepg2000.html > > "May your senses be enlightened and your dreams be fulfilled." > Traditional Manyarnern Greeting > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Beth A Epstein Subject: Re: TPDIS: Taking my tp seriously! Date: 16 May 2000 22:50:43 -0500 Jackie Clark wrote: > IMHO this mail is not worthy of a reply but there was one point which i > wanted to say. Don't worry, the author isn't around to read it, and she *won't* be back. Do you really think John would have let us hear the end of it otherwise? > Most of us seem to have shared the feelings > that we do not fit in, many have suffered some form of bullying in our > youth or for some particular reason e.g. very high intelligence or > because they too had some form of psychic ability, were marginalized > from the rest of their peer group. Yup. We learned it was OK to not fit in, but here we do. Relax all, TIM has thrown up a force field and a spectrashift. There are no more entrances except by jaunting. We're all TP here. > There are at this time 70 people subscribed 90 as of Sunday afternoon. (Well, the who said 91.) >All I want to say is that I feel this group > of people are special, we share more than a love for a cult TV show, we > share a vision of hope for the future of this planet! Here here. Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wendy Kelley Subject: TPDIS: ADMIN: FYI Date: 17 May 2000 10:48:35 -0600 Some of you already know, most of you probably don't care, but since I've received a few comments, here's the official word: andthesixarrived@netscape.com has been unsubscribed from and banned from TPDIS for the forseeable future. Behavior such as her's (?) is simply unacceptable. ... Wendy ladyslvr@xmission.com http://www.xmission.com/~ladyslvr/ Listowner: Tomorrow People fiction and discussion lists ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Kirk" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Taking my tp seriously! Date: 17 May 2000 16:51:03 -0400 Amen! Peter Kirk pckirk@pa.net List Owner centralPAscanner www.egroups.com/mygroups/centralPAscanner ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 5:48 PM > I wrote this response a few days ago but upon reflection I still think > I'd like to express my views. > > andthesixarrived wrote: > > I'm just way freaked out about how serious you guys treat these shows. > > IMHO this mail is not worthy of a reply but there was one point which i > wanted to say. > Yes we do take our TP seriously. This list is a community which shares > special values with one another. I have never met a nicer bunch of > people, special people who, form their responses to the recent survey, > share something in common. Most of us seem to have shared the feelings > that we do not fit in, many have suffered some form of bullying in our > youth or for some particular reason e.g. very high intelligence or > because they too had some form of psychic ability, were marginalized > from the rest of their peer group. > > > Over the years I've been a part of this group I have heard so many > people say that they felt like they were different and that to meet > other like minded people was a blessing. > > TP doesn't always have to be serious, some posts make me rofl. Some, > especially when a new listee says how great it is to find other's like > themselves in the world, are full of joy. But most of all the discussion > that we have is stimulating and makes me see the world from many > different viewpoints. When I was young I rushed home to watch TP, a tv > programme which filled my imagination with all kinds of possibilities > and as I've said before inspired my career. Now I rush home to check my > mail, which still stimulates my mind in so many ways. > > > As individuals we are drawn to this show (New and Old Series) for many > reasons, for nostalgia, for intellectual debate and for entertainment. > There are at this time 70 people subscribed and 30-40 who regularly > post. As individuals we each bring our own opinions to the list, > contributing as much or as little as we like, sometimes we disagree but > that is all part of the fun! All I want to say is that I feel this group > of people are special, we share more than a love for a cult TV show, we > share a vision of hope for the future of this planet! > > > I think I'm going on bit too much. > Jackie who woke up in a very serious mood today ;) > > > > > -- > http://www.effdee.demon.co.uk/manyarner/Homepg2000.html > > "May your senses be enlightened and your dreams be fulfilled." > Traditional Manyarnern Greeting > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: andthesixarrived Subject: TPDIS: tpdis Date: 17 May 2000 23:32:27 CDT guess what shaun told me: his dick is only a half inch when hard. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: andthesixarrived Subject: TPDIS: rameses question Date: 17 May 2000 23:34:29 CDT i was watching the rameses connection, and i was wondering, what exactly = is the role of the three elements of the story: the obelisks, the pyramid, a= nd the marharba stone? ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tassierilla@juno.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 19 May 2000 07:23:10 -0400 On Thu, 11 May 2000 23:28:17 +0100 "David_M_Yates" writes: > Now, as to whether any of the witches might be Psi powered, who > knows? If > their powers are actually natural rather than supernatural really > makes no > difference. Their intention is to work Black Magic! therefore they > are on > the bad side. Whether black magic exists or not is another debate > for > another day. Ok, sorry, i have to step in here. I know i'm a bit late on this one, but, not all witches work "black magic." If you were to define black magic from a witches's standpoint, i'd be working with negative energy...which is *not* necessarially evil. What I see as the laws of creation is that whatever is created is eventually destroyed, negative energy being the destructive force and necessary. (if there was no destructive forces on this planet, we'd all be rather crowded now wouldn't we?? :) ) Personally, i don't believe in good or evil, i like to look at things through people's standpoints. The line between good and evil is so muddied, i gave up trying to figure it out. Basically, one person will do what they feel is right, and another will maybe do the complete opposite, for the same reason. Each one could be considered a heretic in the other's eyes, but, who's good and who's evil? To bring this back to being TP related, maybe the bible predicts somewhere the TP will come about? Not knowing it as well as i should, is there any prophecy in it about them? *hopes it's so!* Sarah "May the Force be with you!" "There's always a bigger fish"~Qui-Gon Jinn "It's not wise to upset a wookie" ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 19 May 2000 21:48:05 +1000 > >To bring this back to being TP related, maybe the bible predicts >somewhere the TP will come about? Not knowing it as well as i should, is >there any prophecy in it about them? *hopes it's so!* Not the Bible, to my knowledge, and I'd steer clear from attempting to interpret something so important to so many people as predicting the TP, but there is an interesting Prediction from Nostradamus. This is a genuine prediction, that appears in Benoir Rigaud's 1568 publication. It is prediction 42 of Century X. Le regne humain d'Anglique geniture Fera son regne paix union tenir, Captive guerre demi de sa closture, Long temps la paix leur fera maintenir. Nostradamus's predictions are rarely interpreted literally - in fact, the reason so many of them have supposedly come true comes down to the fact that you can translate them so many ways. But there are 'rules' that scholars of Nostradamus are meant to adhere too - you're only allowed to change things so much. I'm amateur, but I know the rules - and X.42 can be translated as follows. The superior human English children Will force their kingdome to remained united in peace. Half captured and enclosed by soldiers For a long time, they will maintain the peace. This isn't the translation you will find in most books of the prophecies - but I think it's a nice one (-8 Shaun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Amanda Subject: TPDIS: TPIDS:Christian Tessier Updates(Megabyte) Date: 19 May 2000 20:02:11 -0700 (PDT) I went to the movies today with my roommate, and we saw Battlefield Earth. As I was watching I noticed and atractive muscular Red-head man. The more I looked at him, the more I realized it was MEGABYTE!!! He played a charcter called Mickey(you don't hear his name till the very end) He's not a bit scrawny anymore. and Rarely talks. but it's Him The end credits prove it. I just thought I'd tell everyone. It suprised me, and made the move almost worth it. Amanda ===== Amanda Ringler ICQ:9066120 E-mail:Amandine1979@rocketmail.com Over sea, under stone, I Will find my self alone __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Beth A Epstein Subject: Re: TPDIS:Christian Tessier Updates(Megabyte) Date: 19 May 2000 22:28:31 -0500 Amanda wrote: > > I went to the movies today with my roommate, and we saw Battlefield > Earth. > As I was watching I noticed and atractive muscular Red-head man. The > more I looked at him, the more I realized it was MEGABYTE!!! > The end credits prove it. Ugh, you mean I have to see it now? (I may wait for the video.) > I just thought I'd tell everyone. > It suprised me, and made the move almost worth it. Yup, waiting for the video. Oh, and BTW, you don't have to add "TPDIS" to the subject, majordomo will do that automatically, at least. (-8 Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 19 May 2000 23:41:57 EDT In a message dated 00-05-19 07:31:53 EDT, you write: <. What I see as the laws of creation is that whatever is created is eventually destroyed, negative energy being the destructive force and necessary. (if there was no destructive forces on this planet, we'd all be rather crowded now wouldn't we?? :) ) >>>>>>>>>. This presupposes that everything in that matter dies. Some believe the spirit remains alive and moves onto another plain...and perhaps a new body awaits there or not. I for one believe that and that matter is never destroyed, it just changes its form. It cannot be created or destroyed totally...thus science and the super-natural do agree on this point...since it would seem that our matter (or what we are really made of) does not die but changes its form. Again, this is just my opinion and my beliefs. I am sure there are others. <<<<<<<<<< Personally, i don't believe in good or evil, i like to look at things through people's standpoints. The line between good and evil is so muddied, i gave up trying to figure it out. Basically, one person will do what they feel is right, and another will maybe do the complete opposite, for the same reason. Each one could be considered a heretic in the other's eyes, but, who's good and who's evil? >> I agree with you almost totally, however, there is evil evil. Hitler. Manson. Berkowitz. And yet they were created in some way. I do think Hitler and Manson will be two of the few that will be forever or almost forever in the lowest parts of hell. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 19 May 2000 23:43:22 EDT The Bible does seem to mention something about people disappearing in the end times but the intrepretation of this by self seeking Christian groups leaves something to be desired. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darryl Gillikin" Subject: Re: TPDIS:Christian Tessier Updates(Megabyte) Date: 19 May 2000 21:21:38 PDT > > I went to the movies today with my roommate, and we saw Battlefield > > Earth. > > As I was watching I noticed and atractive muscular Red-head man. The > > more I looked at him, the more I realized it was MEGABYTE!!! > > The end credits prove it. >Ugh, you mean I have to see it now? (I may wait for the video.) Pass, even on the video. While seventh billing was somewhat impressive, had CT been the STAR of this film, his involvement would not make it worth the time or money. The reviews, which have been universally negative to a degree I've never seen before (even The Avengers had been reviews than this!), have been kind IMHO. It proved to be the first movie my best friend (also an avid TP fan) ever walked out on in her life, one hour and fifteen minutes in. [MILD SPOILER] At least CT gets to teleport. :) The sad thing is, I chose to go see B:E over catching the first half of the second part of the Buffy arc-resolving episode for this season. The thing that's even more sad, several days later I still can't decide which was the more enjoyable viewing experience. Ed Wood was about 40-50 years too early. Had he come along today, he'd likely be one of Warner Brothers top director/producers. :) Darryl (hoping rumoured the rumoured KS appearance on Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's The Lost World proves more enjoyable tomorrow. ) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Amanda Subject: Re: TPDIS:Christian Tessier Updates(Megabyte) Date: 19 May 2000 23:10:38 -0700 (PDT) We saw the movie under SERIOUS doubts on mypart. I wanted to see frequency. Or better yet have saved the money I used to treat my roommate to the movie with, for the Sailor Moon S movie it was intended for. It was by no means good, BUT it did brighten the awful expierence to see Megabyte. Amanda ===== Amanda Ringler ICQ:9066120 E-mail:Amandine1979@rocketmail.com Over sea, under stone, I Will find my self alone __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Latimer84@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS:Christian Tessier Updates(Megabyte) Date: 20 May 2000 12:17:54 EDT In a message dated 5/20/2000 2:11:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Amandine1979@rocketmail.com writes: > We saw the movie under SERIOUS > doubts on mypart. > I wanted to see frequency. > Or better yet have saved the > money I used to treat my roommate > to the movie with, for the Sailor > Moon S movie it was intended for. Oh, a warning--if you're seeing Sailor Moon, get the subtitled version! I already have them (thanks Amy-chan! ;), but I bought the dubs so that I could compare (I like to watch dubs sometimes, sue me!) The outer senshi's voices aren't as bad as I'd heard, but they do leave something to be desired. As Sailor Moon goes, the dubbing wasn't bad, but that's really not saying too much. > It was by no means good, BUT > it did brighten the awful > expierence to see Megabyte. > Amanda To try and keep this on-topic--how would the movie have changed if it really were Megabyte, and not Christian Tessier, in that movie? ;) -Geoff, trying, at least! "Children should always listen to their elders, but not necessarily do what they say." --Linus Pauling ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IMFer117@cs.com Subject: TPDIS: rameses question Date: 20 May 2000 16:05:03 EDT can anyone out there explain to me what exactly the roles are of the three things "rameses connection" centers around: the obelisks, the marharba stone, and the pyramid? it's confusing me!!!! thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ruby Red Subject: TPDIS: OT: Web page moved Date: 21 May 2000 20:05:37 +1000 To Whom it May Concern, I have moved all the pages I had on the crosswinds server. I just got tired of waiting patiently for things to improve enough so that one could actually access FTP again. It was the last straw this morning when I spent ages uploading files, one file at a time, through their web interface. So I looked for another free server. I have now moved to the free.prohosting.com server. Yes, they have banner ads, but I'd rather be able to update my web-pages in a timely manner. So, if you have any links to the following pages, please note the new URL. - Jumping To Babylon (B5) page moved to - Constellation of Fiction page moved to - Events page (mostly con reports) moved to - Sapphire & Steel page moved to Thank you. Kathryn Andersen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "It's just - I don't feel properly dressed without a couple of cans of Nitro..." -- Ace (Doctor Who: Dragonfire) -- Ruby Red http://www.foobox.net/~kat http://jove.prohosting.com/~rubykat "Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas any more." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tassierilla@juno.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 21 May 2000 17:03:59 -0400 On Sun, 14 May 2000 12:01:36 +1000 Tony Nolan writes: > On another point, I tend to think like Shaun, that the next stage of > human > development has started already in our time, btu i think more the > 60's than > the 70's, etc. I also believe that as our brains develop more and > more, ( > Have you notices the increased ability of our youth, compaired to > when we > were young, etc.) That its possible that basic TP developement will > occur. Well, since there are people here who seem to know what they're talking about, is it really increased ability in the youth, or is it simply a bigger push for education? Are we smarter or just being taught more??? Sarah "May the Force be with you!" "There's always a bigger fish"~Qui-Gon Jinn "It's not wise to upset a wookie" ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tassierilla@juno.com Subject: Re: The lost world (was:TPDIS:Christian Tessier Updates(Megabyte)) Date: 21 May 2000 17:47:12 -0400 On Fri, 19 May 2000 21:21:38 PDT "Darryl Gillikin" writes: > > (hoping rumoured the rumoured KS appearance on Sir Arthur Conan > Doyle's The > Lost World proves more enjoyable tomorrow. ) Well, at least he wasn't knocked unconscious! :) Did anyone else find it odd to see him attacking someone with a sword??? Sarah "May the Force be with you!" "There's always a bigger fish"~Qui-Gon Jinn "It's not wise to upset a wookie" ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tassierilla@juno.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 21 May 2000 17:44:12 -0400 On Fri, 19 May 2000 23:41:57 EDT CMento6653@aol.com writes: > This presupposes that everything in that matter dies. Some believe > the spirit > remains alive and moves onto another plain...and perhaps a new body > awaits > there or not. I for one believe that and that matter is never > destroyed, it > just changes its form. It cannot be created or destroyed > totally...thus > science and the super-natural do agree on this point...since it > would seem > that our matter (or what we are really made of) does not die but > changes its > form. Again, this is just my opinion and my beliefs. I am sure there > are > others. Oh, i'm sure the soul survives, and i'm not meaning literal distruction...probably should have been more clear, i meant more like...cleansing maybe? Ok, sorry, im not going to be able to actually explane this one, but i also believe that matter isn't completely destroyed...recycled! Yes, that's what i'm going for! A structure being broken down and recycled!!! Ok...sorry, i've been on the comp way to long today...and my monitor's not liking me for it... > I agree with you almost totally, however, there is evil evil. > Hitler. Manson. > Berkowitz. And yet they were created in some way. I do think Hitler > and > Manson will be two of the few that will be forever or almost forever > in the > lowest parts of hell. > The point i'm trying to make here is evil in perspectives. I see them as evil...or well, maybe incredibly negative, and i'm sure most people agree with that, but were they evil in their own eyes? And to the German people, was Hitler, who did bring them jobs and money, evil? (Not trying to get him off the hook or anything, I mean, genocide has to be the worst thing anyone can try~) Sarah "May the Force be with you!" "There's always a bigger fish"~Qui-Gon Jinn "It's not wise to upset a wookie" ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 22 May 2000 09:32:42 +1000 > From: tassierilla@juno.com [mailto:tassierilla@juno.com] > > Well, since there are people here who seem to know what > they're talking > about, is it really increased ability in the youth, or is it simply a > bigger push for education? Are we smarter or just being > taught more??? It's almost certainly not education based, for a number of reasons. The first is that we are talking about IQ tests here - reliable ones. While not totally immune from the effects of education (the ideal IQ test would be, but no test is perfect), the amount of change that has occurred is too great for educational changes to have caused more than a fraction of the changes. Secondly, if anything, educational changes over the past 30 years (when the increase seems to have occurred - just a quick addition, noting comment from Tony that he thinks the change is more likely to have started in the '60s than the '70s - it doesn't show up until the 1970s in the figures, but it is certainly possible that the trend began earlier - it just hadn't yet reached a large enough density to show up in the overall figures until then. Peter's statements in 'The Medusa Strain', I seem to recall, reflect a similar phenomenon among TP - initially he does not believe that Carol could be from the 1970s, because history teaches him that man's development in Homo superior/novis came later - but he then realises that Carol must be part of a group that came before the history shows - one that is hidden by the mass of Homo sapiens) - hmm, that's a very long parenthetical comment. I'd better start again (-8 Educational changes over the past 30 years have had a fairly neutral effect on IQs - and an easily quantified one. The neutrality comes from two factors, more or less, cancelling each other out - one, there has been *some* increase in the quality of education offered to the poorer segments of society (in the west, that is - and the west is really the only place of relevance here - not enough IQ tests are undertaken anywhere else to work out these changes) which has probably made some small increase in IQ test averages. However, at the same time, education has also changed quite a bit - while education today is *probably* better in some ways than it was 30 years ago - that is, kids learn about a wider range of skills, the standards in certain areas are lower - kids, for example, learn less mental arithmetic, and grammar, than they did. And *those* are the areas which are most likely to affect the results on IQ tests - not the areas we now give increasing educational relevance to. There's another factor - these detected changes concern a massive explosion in the number of people with very high IQs (over 160) not with those at lower IQ levels. There's only one reputable IQ test that can measure such high IQs - the Stanford-Binet Form LM which was 'normed' in 1972. Later IQ tests - the ones in common use today are the Stanford-Binet IV and the WAIS and WISC-III, are only capable of measuring scores up to 164 or 160 - and become unreliable over 130-140. So when talking about 160+ IQs, we are talking about people who've done the SB-LM (and in particular children under 10 who've done the SB-LM - going into too much detail about that would take this *way* off-topic. The SB-LM is an 'old' test (it's actually going to be replaced by 2003), and its age causes problems (mostly that some of the questions refer to concepts that kids today are less familiar with than their 1970s counterparts). This actually lowers IQs obtained on the SB-LM for most groups - except for those with IQs of 140 and above. So time and educational changes, if anything, should have lowered the scores for the group above 160, not raised them. Exactly what has caused the change is unknown - the 'evolution' idea is just one of many. But it's the nicely TP related one. The fact is, if the next stage of human evolution was among us, it could be a very long time before we knew about it (-8 And there'd be a lot of arguments about if it had happened, what had caused it, etc (Shaun has visions of the first TP to make themselves publicly known being tested the way *he's* been recently - yeesh, they'd jaunt away!). Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. 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Rameses Akhara moved the obelisks over the years so that they would form the shape of the constellation of Amtudi, and he built a pyramid on top of his office block. The Marharba stone was some magical stone (that fell from the skies?) which was able to be used to store/interface with the energy. The idea was, that if Rameses Akhara set it all up right, then putting the Marharba stone there in his pyramid (since pyramids have this preserving power also) and taking the energy to himself, then he could live forever. (shrug) -- Ruby Red http://www.foobox.net/~kat http://jove.prohosting.com/~rubykat "Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas any more." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darryl Gillikin" Subject: Re: The lost world (was:TPDIS:Christian Tessier Updates(Megabyte)) Date: 21 May 2000 20:38:02 PDT >On Fri, 19 May 2000 21:21:38 PDT "Darryl Gillikin" > writes: > > > > > (hoping rumoured the rumoured KS appearance on Sir Arthur Conan > > Doyle's The > > Lost World proves more enjoyable tomorrow. ) > >Well, at least he wasn't knocked unconscious! :) Did anyone else find >it odd to see him attacking someone with a sword??? And was it just me, or did anyone else get the impression that they left a door open for his character to join the cast next season? 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A on topic question, could any of the TP see Aura's ?? regards tony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tassierilla@juno.com Subject: Re: The lost world (was:TPDIS:Christian Tessier Updates(Megabyte)) Date: 22 May 2000 07:15:01 -0400 On Sun, 21 May 2000 20:38:02 PDT "Darryl Gillikin" writes: > > >On Fri, 19 May 2000 21:21:38 PDT "Darryl Gillikin" > > writes: > > > > > > > > (hoping rumoured the rumoured KS appearance on Sir Arthur Conan > > > Doyle's The > > > Lost World proves more enjoyable tomorrow. ) > > > >Well, at least he wasn't knocked unconscious! :) Did anyone else > find > >it odd to see him attacking someone with a sword??? > > And was it just me, or did anyone else get the impression that they > left a > door open for his character to join the cast next season? > > Darryl I noticed that too! Can someone who actually has that station (Have an evil sattelite company, had to go to my Grandfather's!) watch this for me? Please tell us if he's becomming a regular, or semi-regular, or just gonna make another appearance! Sarah "May the Force be with you!" "There's always a bigger fish"~Qui-Gon Jinn "It's not wise to upset a wookie" ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Matott" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Will we be TP ? Date: 22 May 2000 06:34:03 PDT >The Bible does seem to mention something about people disappearing in the >end >times but the intrepretation of this by self seeking Christian groups >leaves >something to be desired. > You also have flying people. :-) Of course, it's a one way trip - The Rapture - when those few faithful who will be saved from Armageddon are taken up bodily into heaven. mike ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kristin Dunn Subject: Re:TPDIS: jedekiah and colonel cobb Date: 22 May 2000 14:33:05 PDT Megabyte725@cs.com wrote: <> Ohh your right!! colonel cobb looked like Jedekiah too if you think about= it... Kristin <--- Has about 400 messages left to check--expect some older pos= ts to resurface-- sorry Only a week until I graduate, and 30 days until I leave for Japan!! ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kristin Dunn Subject: Re: [Re: TPDIS: 11 reasons why I like the new series] Date: 22 May 2000 14:43:00 PDT CMento6653@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 00-04-20 00:14:46 EDT, you write: << spoiled more by kristin ariza's bad acting, IMHO :) >> <> There wouldn't happen to be a way where one could find a script, or actua= ly see the unaired piolt would there? Kristin = ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: The lost world (was:TPDIS:Christian Tessier Updates(Megabyte)) Date: 22 May 2000 18:57:22 EDT I agree. I hope so. I also hope that all the four that went down will be back but it looks like the older guy who was shot with an arrow and fell into the ravine is probably dead. Too bad, I really liked his character. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: jedekiah and colonel cobb Date: 22 May 2000 19:10:40 EDT I thought the bus driver from story one was Jedikiah. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: TPDIS: Where is the Lab? (or Shaun is bored!) Date: 23 May 2000 13:34:32 +1000 Where is the Lab? I've been thinking (I do that - don't ask me why), and I was wondering about the Lab. During the Original Series, we know there were two Labs. We know the approximate location of the first Lab (within the London underground) and I think I have worked out a feasible case for a more precise location, but of the second Lab's location we know, more or less nothing. It is on Earth - and there's a reasonable case, IMHO, for placing it somewhere in the vicinity of Europe, based on the evidence given in the Original series. But that's it (as far as I can remember anyway). In my fanfic, I've place the 'new' Lab underneath Kew Gardens - that was inspired by a magazine article I had read, and also by the fact that the place appeared in The Living Stones - so a lot of TP fans would at least have heard of it. But I've been thinking - where would you put the Lab if it was your choice? Anyone have any ideas? Personally, I think a good location might be within one of the Pyramids in Egypt. One of the primary reasons the TP left the original Lab was security - it had been found. So they would have been looking for a place which was secure - not easily located. We know from "World's Away" that the TP know of secret tunnels within the Pyramids - which have managed to defy detection for a long time. I wonder if sticking the Lab there, might have seemed a good idea. No real reason for this post - just idle curiousity... BTW, I've just purchased the April 2000 Scientific American which was being discussed a few weeks ago, because it contained an article on teleportation and it's possibilities. It's fascinating stuff - it still doesn't explain my teleportation gives you hiccups though. There's also an interesting article on the Neanderthals, trying to work out whether or not they were a different species of human, etc. Might be of interest to some on this list. Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ariana Brill Subject: Re: TPDIS: Where is the Lab? (or Shaun is bored!) Date: 22 May 2000 21:01:11 -0700 "Hately, Shaun" wrote: > Personally, I think a good location might be within one of the Pyramids in > Egypt. One of the primary reasons the TP left the original Lab was security > - it had been found. So they would have been looking for a place which was > secure - not easily located. We know from "World's Away" that the TP know of > secret tunnels within the Pyramids - which have managed to defy detection > for a long time. I wonder if sticking the Lab there, might have seemed a > good idea. There are a few problems with that idea. The pyramids are fairly high profile - I think the TP would be more likely to choose something that wouldn't be stared at and visited by millions... also pesky archaeologists exploring the area could prove problematic. And with John's interest in archaeology, he might not be up for the destruction of artefacts that would come about in the creation a pyramid lab. -- (~.~) Ariana "Fantasy is hardly an escape from reality. It's a way of understanding it." - Lloyd Alexander saylormars@mail.com ICQ 9737939 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Beth A Epstein Subject: Re: TPDIS: Where is the Lab? (or Shaun is bored!) Date: 22 May 2000 23:06:59 -0500 "Hately, Shaun" wrote: > > Where is the Lab? > But I've been thinking - where would you put the Lab if it > was your choice? Anyone have any ideas? I've been contemplating weird places-- like under the English Channel or the Thames, secret corners of Mulberry Wood. I like the implication that they could be on the moon from some episode. Or maybe I just need sleep. > Personally, I think a good location might be within one of the Pyramids in > Egypt. Another cool idea. Just so long as it wasn't one of the cursed ones. Though wouldn't that put Mike in better "hearing" distance of Hsui Tai than the air strip in The Lost Gods. Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: Where is the Lab? (or Shaun is bored!) Date: 23 May 2000 14:01:38 +1000 > From: Beth A Epstein [mailto:tptigger42@earthlink.net] > > I like the implication that they could be on the moon from > some episode. Unfortunately, that seems to be ruled out by the fact they felt the Earthquake caused by the crash of the Thargon ship in The Thargon Menace (-8 Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: Where is the Lab? (or Shaun is bored!) Date: 23 May 2000 14:03:33 +1000 > From: Ariana Brill [mailto:saylormars@mail.com] > > There are a few problems with that idea. The pyramids are fairly high > profile - I think the TP would be more likely to choose something that > wouldn't be stared at and visited by millions... also pesky > archaeologists exploring the area could prove problematic. And with > John's interest in archaeology, he might not be up for the destruction > of artefacts that would come about in the creation a pyramid lab. The last point is one I hadn't thought of - and is a good one, although in these secret tunnels, we are probably talking about Khultan artifacts, and I'm not sure how concerned he would be about those. And I think the high profile thing could work in their favour - remember these tunnels have remained secret despite considereable study, so I think it's possible they are almost impossible to find - the odds could be so remote as to not be worth worrying about. On the other hand, who would expect to find a race of futuristic humans living inside the ancient Egyptian pyramids (well - besides the denizens of certain newsgroups!). And, if anyone did get suspicious - say, the British government, can you imagine the Egyptian reaction - "YOU WANT TO DRILL WHERE?", not to mention the rest of the world (the Elgin Marbles are problematic enough!) Good points - but I still think it's a cool place (-8 Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ariana Brill Subject: Re: TPDIS: Where is the Lab? (or Shaun is bored!) Date: 22 May 2000 21:12:23 -0700 "Hately, Shaun" wrote: > And, > if anyone did get suspicious - say, the British government, can you imagine > the Egyptian reaction - "YOU WANT TO DRILL WHERE?", not to mention the rest > of the world (the Elgin Marbles are problematic enough!) That's an excellent point - I could see them settling down in the pyramids with that reason alone! Of course, they would first have to do a thorough search to dispose of any goodies the Khultan might have left behind :) -- (~.~) Ariana "Fantasy is hardly an escape from reality. It's a way of understanding it." - Lloyd Alexander saylormars@mail.com ICQ 9737939 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tassierilla@juno.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Where is the Lab? (or Shaun is bored!) Date: 23 May 2000 07:10:17 -0400 On Tue, 23 May 2000 13:34:32 +1000 "Hately, Shaun" writes: > Where is the Lab? > > > Personally, I think a good location might be within one of the > Pyramids in > Egypt. One of the primary reasons the TP left the original Lab was > security > - it had been found. So they would have been looking for a place > which was > secure - not easily located. We know from "World's Away" that the TP > know of > secret tunnels within the Pyramids - which have managed to defy > detection > for a long time. I wonder if sticking the Lab there, might have > seemed a > good idea. > Well, if they want to be hidden, and if we're going for the Egypt theory, (And since i've never seen this series, so i have no idea what i'm talking about, bear with me.) Why not beneath the Sphinx? I've heard that there's supposed to be some sort of chamber or something beneath it's paws which man hasn't gotten around to uncovering yet. Seems pretty hidden and undiscoverable to me. Sarah "May the Force be with you!" "There's always a bigger fish"~Qui-Gon Jinn "It's not wise to upset a wookie" ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tassierilla@juno.com Subject: Re: The lost world (was:TPDIS:Christian Tessier Updates(Megabyte)) Date: 23 May 2000 07:02:59 -0400 SPOILER ALERT! On Mon, 22 May 2000 18:57:22 EDT CMento6653@aol.com writes: > I agree. I hope so. I also hope that all the four that went down > will be > back but it looks like the older guy who was shot with an arrow and > fell into > the ravine is probably dead. Too bad, I really liked his character. > Yeah, that was kinda sad. Figures though, in the *only* episode of it i ever get to see, half the cast supposidly dies!!!! Why do they always kill the cool scientist people? Sarah "May the Force be with you!" "There's always a bigger fish"~Qui-Gon Jinn "It's not wise to upset a wookie" ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Matott" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Where is the Lab? (or Shaun is bored!) Date: 23 May 2000 08:37:55 PDT This is probably the marine biologist in me talking, but ... Wouldn't it be nifty to have the second lab be under-water? Under the Thames or maybe in the channel. (An amusing fan-fic idea involving the digging of the Chunnel has now sprung to mind.... hmm.) The advantages of an underwater lab: Difficult for a non-TP to get to - especially without being detected by TIM. ("John, there's a man-sized fish making lots of noisy bubbles and holding an acetylene torch outside of the lab.") Fairly stable environment if a good location is chosen. Fairly easy to escape from even if they can't jaunt. (I imagine an AE suit would do just fine underwater) mike ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jackie Clark Subject: Re: TPDIS: Where is the Lab? (or Shaun is bored!) Date: 23 May 2000 21:04:26 +0100 Two responses in one mail! "Hately, Shaun" wrote: > > Where is the Lab? > Personally, I think a good location might be within one of the Pyramids in > Egypt. But that has problems for them if they loose their powers. Remember that they can only do short jaunts without belts or TIM for assistance. It'll be a bit difficult for Mike to 'pop home to see me mum.' If they are in Egypt! Michael Matott wrote: > Wouldn't it be nifty to have the second lab be under-water? Under the > Thames or maybe in the channel. (An amusing fan-fic idea involving the > digging of the Chunnel has now sprung to mind.... hmm.) I already thought of this and placed the lab is Corroua in the Scottish highlands located below Loch Ossian. It was not until I researched the details of the place that I found out this is where the film Trainspotting was made. BTW I'm off to Rome in a few days time and as I'll be with a bunch of Saps, and without my jaunting belt/bracelet, I'll be out of touch for a while. This will delay the uploading of the video clips, sorry folks :( I wonder whether Italian TP's path in their Italian? Jackie -- http://www.effdee.demon.co.uk/manyarner/Homepg2000.html "May your senses be enlightened and your dreams be fulfilled." Traditional Manyarnern Greeting ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Latimer84@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Where is the Lab? (or Shaun is bored!) Date: 23 May 2000 16:54:48 EDT An underwater lab would actually be *really* cool, but what would happen if they lost their powers? It does happen rather often (see the list ;) And would Chris then have to wear a scuba suit to get in? Maybe they could have a place where you could get in/out by swimming? Of course, it'd need a lock... In a message dated 5/23/2000 11:38:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, greyfalconsaerie@hotmail.com writes: > This is probably the marine biologist in me talking, but ... > > Wouldn't it be nifty to have the second lab be under-water? Under the > Thames or maybe in the channel. (An amusing fan-fic idea involving the > digging of the Chunnel has now sprung to mind.... hmm.) > > The advantages of an underwater lab: > > Difficult for a non-TP to get to - especially without being detected by TIM. > > ("John, there's a man-sized fish making lots of noisy bubbles and holding > an acetylene torch outside of the lab.") > > Fairly stable environment if a good location is chosen. > > Fairly easy to escape from even if they can't jaunt. (I imagine an AE suit > would do just fine underwater) -Geoff "Children should always listen to their elders, but not necessarily do what they say." --Linus Pauling ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David_M_Yates" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Where is the Lab? (or Shaun is bored!) Date: 23 May 2000 21:43:33 +0100 >And I think the high profile thing could work in their favour - remember >these tunnels have remained secret despite considereable study, so I think >it's possible they are almost impossible to find - the odds could be so >remote as to not be worth worrying about. On the other hand, who would >expect to find a race of futuristic humans living inside the ancient >Egyptian pyramids (well - besides the denizens of certain newsgroups!). And, >if anyone did get suspicious - say, the British government, can you imagine >the Egyptian reaction - "YOU WANT TO DRILL WHERE?", not to mention the rest >of the world (the Elgin Marbles are problematic enough!) Also it would be a handy way to unite the two generations; we already know that Adam and Megabyte are quite experienced at popping into "empty" pyramids....... (Now THERE'S a thought.) David. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David_M_Yates" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Lesser life forms Date: 23 May 2000 21:58:42 +0100 >> I remember one TV SF writer saying (maybe it was Mark Shirrefs, I >> can't remember) that he liked to make his villains really strong, so >> that Our Heros can actually have a worthy opponent. Good practice. > >I agree - Baddies like Jedikiah, The Master, Dr Loveless, Murdoch, Moriarty, >Dr. Zin, Tan, Lex Luthor, etc have always given our heroes a challenge - I >LOVE it!! Another classic plot device is the way that the baddie is ALWAYS a bad shot! (Until they want to kill off a regular character of course.) David ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David_M_Yates" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Taking my tp seriously! Date: 23 May 2000 21:53:35 +0100 Hello everyone, Having been away for the last few days I got all of the abusive emails in one batch and was appalled. I agree with everything that Jackie and the others have posted. Shaun, I have come to greatly value your input to our discussions over the last three years that I have been a member of this list. I hope you are not too bruised by what has happened. Treating it with the contempt that it deserves is the best thing to do. Thank God for TIM and the force-field!! David. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David_M_Yates" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 07:14:15 -0500 Date: 23 May 2000 21:18:03 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01BFC4FC.61330700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please be assured of my prayers also. I lost my mother to cancer some years ago and I know that it was the prayers and support of my family and friends that helped me through. 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------=_NextPart_000_0048_01BFC4FC.61330700-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Nolan Subject: Re: TPDIS: Where is the Lab? (or Shaun is bored!) Date: 24 May 2000 07:07:31 +1000 Hello, Was there any other way to reach the base than from Jaunting ? Wasnt there a raid from the government on the base at one stage, as they tried to have a limiter to stop them from jaunting, etc. Did this happen, or am I going mad, its still like 15 years or more, since I have seen an TP eposide, I have to go on memory. I once thought that the base, may not have been normal size, but like the tardis in DR WHO, it could be in different space or a different size, etc. Regards tony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Where is the Lab? (or Shaun is bored!) Date: 24 May 2000 07:22:11 +1000 > >Hello, > >Was there any other way to reach the base than from Jaunting ? The original Lab, yes, there was - via the Underground tunnels or a platform. The 'new Lab' in the late 1970s - we don't know. There may be, but we never see any proof of that. >Wasnt there a raid from the government on the base at one stage, as they >tried to have a limiter to stop them from jaunting, etc. Two different attacks. Yes, the SIS raided the Lab in The Dirtiest Business, and used Synaptrol to knock the TP unconcious. The 'interceptor' which trapped those who jaunted in hyperspace was used by Jedekiah during an attack on the Lab in 'The Slaves of Jedekiah' >Did this happen, or am I going mad, its still like 15 years or more, since >I have seen an TP eposide, I have to go on memory. Pretty good memory (-8 Shaun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Nolan Subject: Re: TPDIS: Where is the Lab? (or Shaun is bored!) Date: 24 May 2000 07:25:31 +1000 Hi Shaun, ok, so i gather as I rememeber the raids being with english voices, and also they worked with what i thought were the english government at one stage, and mike ( before he joined them ), shared dreams with one of the girls I think, when he was breaking out, that it must be near london, or at least in england, etc. The 2nd base, i thought was some sort of crashed space ship, etc. Some where in the south pacific, if you remember when one of the characters used to fall into the sea, i remember seeing fish, and reckonising them as a tropical fish, etc. Also by the shape / colour of the sand, plants around, and the time zone changes ie the distortion of the angle of the shadows from the sun if jaunting is instantous then you could work out at least some lat and long, in a basic format at least. Even the side of trees that moss grows on, tells you which was is north. I would have thought there were some good clues, etc. op's, sorry, its the intelligence analyst comming out of me, i'll shut up now. cheers tony At 07:22 AM 5/24/00 +1000, you wrote: >From: Tony Nolan >To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com >Date: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 7:13 AM >Subject: Re: TPDIS: Where is the Lab? (or Shaun is bored!) > > >> >>Hello, >> >>Was there any other way to reach the base than from Jaunting ? > > >The original Lab, yes, there was - via the Underground tunnels or a >platform. The 'new Lab' in the late 1970s - we don't know. There may be, but >we never see any proof of that. > >>Wasnt there a raid from the government on the base at one stage, as they >>tried to have a limiter to stop them from jaunting, etc. > > >Two different attacks. > >Yes, the SIS raided the Lab in The Dirtiest Business, and used Synaptrol to >knock the TP unconcious. > >The 'interceptor' which trapped those who jaunted in hyperspace was used by >Jedekiah during an attack on the Lab in 'The Slaves of Jedekiah' > >>Did this happen, or am I going mad, its still like 15 years or more, since >>I have seen an TP eposide, I have to go on memory. > > >Pretty good memory (-8 > >Shaun > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William Adams" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Where is the Lab? (or Shaun is bored!) Date: 23 May 2000 16:33:19 -0500 Hi All, I was wondering. Throughout the OS series the jaunting belt became a jaunting band. The next logical step would be to make the jaunting device smaller. Why not reform the jaunting device into something that could be wore like a small hearing aide or even implant it under the skin? Then, as long as a TP was not knocked out or lost his/her powers, they can still jaunt anywhere on the planet. I also like the various suggestions of Lab hiding places. Why not have several, er boltholes? If the Saps find one base, they may not find the others. Dianne wladams@comp.uark.edu -----Original Message----- >Two responses in one mail! > >"Hately, Shaun" wrote: >> >> Where is the Lab? > >> Personally, I think a good location might be within one of the Pyramids in >> Egypt. > >But that has problems for them if they loose their powers. Remember that >they can only do short jaunts without belts or TIM for assistance. It'll >be a bit difficult for Mike to 'pop home to see me mum.' If they are in >Egypt! > >Michael Matott wrote: > >> Wouldn't it be nifty to have the second lab be under-water? Under the >> Thames or maybe in the channel. (An amusing fan-fic idea involving the >> digging of the Chunnel has now sprung to mind.... hmm.) > >I already thought of this and placed the lab is Corroua in the Scottish >highlands located below Loch Ossian. It was not until I researched the >details of the place that I found out this is where the film >Trainspotting was made. > >BTW I'm off to Rome in a few days time and as I'll be with a bunch of >Saps, and without my jaunting belt/bracelet, I'll be out of touch for a >while. This will delay the uploading of the video clips, sorry folks > >I wonder whether Italian TP's path in their Italian? > > >Jackie >-- >http://www.effdee.demon.co.uk/manyarner/Homepg2000.html > >"May your senses be enlightened and your dreams be fulfilled." > Traditional Manyarnern Greeting > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Beth A Epstein Subject: Re: TPDIS: Where is the Lab? (or Shaun is bored!) Date: 23 May 2000 17:16:06 -0500 Latimer84@aol.com wrote: > > An underwater lab would actually be *really* cool, but what would happen if > they lost their powers? It does happen rather often (see the list ;) And > would Chris then have to wear a scuba suit to get in? When was the last time you saw Chris in the second lab? I think Mike all ready covered the getting out issue-- I can't imagine why AE suits, which are vaccum proof wouldn't be water proof as well. After all, they train astronauts for zero g tasks in really big swimming pools. :) Tony Nolan wrote: > Was there any other way to reach the base than from Jaunting ? The first one, yes. We never see them enter the second lab by any other means. :) > Wasnt there a raid from the government on the base at one stage, as they > tried to have a limiter to stop them from jaunting, etc. > Did this happen, or am I going mad Well, we're all mad here (-8, but yes, it did happen (see Shaun's post, I see no reason to repeat it, just had to make the lame-brain joke). > I once thought that the base, may not have been normal size, but like the > tardis in DR WHO, it could be in different space or a different size, etc. If it was dimensionally transcendental don't you think the cabins would be bigger? My single senior year was slightly larger and I couldn't fit all my junk in it (or keep my sanity). (Fortunately, Maria was only gone one term, so I relocated to a double for the rest of the school year.) Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Latimer84@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Where is the Lab? (or Shaun is bored!) Date: 23 May 2000 18:26:06 EDT In a message dated 5/23/2000 6:13:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tptigger42@earthlink.net writes: > > An underwater lab would actually be *really* cool, but what would happen if > > they lost their powers? It does happen rather often (see the list ;) And > > would Chris then have to wear a scuba suit to get in? > When was the last time you saw Chris in the second lab? I think Mike > all ready covered the getting out issue-- I can't imagine why AE suits, > which are vaccum proof wouldn't be water proof as well. > After all, they train astronauts for zero g tasks in really big swimming > pools. :) Hmmm, that's a good point. But what about when they're trapped by the bad guys, a la Slaves of Jedikiah? They can't exactly run for the exit when you have to put on an AE suit and swim... Of course, I liked the Egypt idea, and that wouldn't make it much easier. About the Egypt idea, actually--do you think that the TPs would be willing to use what used to be a Khultan's base of operations? I can see them being divided about that, with some thinking of it as a sort of "just desserts" with others not wanting to have anything to do with the Khultans. Ideas? -Geoff "Children should always listen to their elders, but not necessarily do what they say." --Linus Pauling ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ariana Brill Subject: Re: TPDIS: Where is the Lab? (or Shaun is bored!) Date: 23 May 2000 17:32:53 -0700 Latimer84@aol.com wrote: > > And > would Chris then have to wear a scuba suit to get in? Maybe they could have a > place where you could get in/out by swimming? Of course, it'd need a lock... I think they could probably work out some way to get him a matter transporter that would take him to the lab whenever he wanted. -- (~.~) Ariana "Fantasy is hardly an escape from reality. It's a way of understanding it." - Lloyd Alexander saylormars@mail.com ICQ 9737939 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jane starr Subject: Re: TPDIS: Where is the Lab? (or Shaun is bored!) Date: 23 May 2000 22:37:42 -0600 At 01:34 PM 23/05/00 +1000, Shaun wrote: >Where is the Lab? An excellent question :). Myself, I have no idea where the second lab is. I don't recall ever seeing any non-TP in it, except Major Hughes of the SIS in Hitler's last secret (book version, at least - too long since I saw the tv version so anyone with better information feel free to correct me) and he was brought in by TIM using a matter transporter. Presumably good friends who were in on the secret could be brought in the same way, so it wouldn't matter if it was deep in the ocean (the Thames would be a bit murky, wouldn't it?) or on the Moon, or in a disused coal mine under downtown Edmonton. Of course, they'd have to call first, so no unexpected visitors, no "just thought I'd drop by as I was in the neigbourhood." I've always assumed that it was in London someplace, but better hidden than the last one (having known sap chums dropping in would be a quick giveaway if the SIS really wanted to locate them, which might be a good reason to NOT have it easily accessible). Of course, by now, I'd assume they're on to the third or fourth lab, or possibly setting up satellite labs around the world, possibly including one on the moon and one in deep ocean (the research possibilities would just be too enticing for John, wouldn't they?). Jane Jane Starr starr@planet.eon.net Edmonton, Alberta, Canada check out the ON SPEC web page at www.icomm.ca/onspec/ and 2001: A Book Odyssey - The Strathearn School Millennium Project at www.icomm.ca/strath2k/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Matott" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Where is the Lab? (or Shaun is bored!) Date: 24 May 2000 06:24:57 PDT <> > >Hmmm, that's a good point. But what about when they're trapped by the bad >guys, a la Slaves of Jedikiah? They can't exactly run for the exit when you >have to put on an AE suit and swim... Provided they didn't go too deep - say no deeper than 120 feet. It's actually possible to swim upward that far on one breath, particularly in salt water. SCUBA Diver lecture coming up, be warned. Pressure increases by 1 atmosphere every 10 meters or so (33 feet). So at about 30 feet you experience 2 atmospheres of pressure. Increased pressure pushes down on open air spaces - including the sinuses of your body and your lungs. (Compressed air, which SCUBA divers use, delivers air at a regulated pressure to equal that for whatever depth they may be at. That's why it's no harder to breath with 4 atmospheres of pressure on you than a standard 1.) One of the things they teach you as a complete last resort if you run out of air at depth is to simply dump your weight and start swimming upward at a steady rate. As you swim upward the pressure decreases, actually causing your lungs to expand and with that expansion 'trapped' air that couldn't be utilized can now be used . So it's possible for someone to make a quick exit from a water lock and make it to the surface without drowning. Then of course comes the fun part of getting safely to land. :-) I still think it's a better option than the moon. :-) >Of course, I liked the Egypt idea, and >that wouldn't make it much easier. >About the Egypt idea, actually--do you think that the TPs would be willing >to >use what used to be a Khultan's base of operations? I can see them being >divided about that, with some thinking of it as a sort of "just desserts" >with others not wanting to have anything to do with the Khultans. Ideas? > It might be interesting if they used an old Khultan base. Imagine what the Khultan may have left behind that the TPs might accidentally 'awaken'? :-) mike ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Matott" Subject: TPDIS: Relationships Date: 24 May 2000 15:16:17 PDT This may open up a topic that may be too personal for some, so if so, don't respond. A lot of discussion material has filtered through my brain and made some odd little connections that made me wonder about some things. There were a number of trends noticed from the survey - including that most of us fell into the above average intelligence category and that we didn't feel or weren't popular as children. This got me to thinking about relationships as adults (or at least older than elementary school age). How do people on this list find their relationships? Do they find it hard to have a good relationship (romantic or friendship) with someone unless they're of equal intelligence? The reason I'm asking is that I started evaluating the way I've made friends and the relationships I've had and the people I've been interested in. Almost always, it is something about the mind of the person that interests me. (Not saying physical factors aren't important to a romantic relationship, but for the most intense relationships that's been of less importance to me.) I find myself much more drawn to people with an obvious intellect and who have perspectives that differ from the norm. I find myself being friends and in relationships with the 'outsiders'. I like people I can debate things with. And that made me curious about how other people on the list saw the relationships in their own lives. And the reason I tie this in with TP is this: What do you think of the relationships the TPs have? Friendship and other-wise? What do people think of romance in the TPs lives? We don't really see much evidence of it, but there are plenty of opinions on it in fan-fic! :-) Just thought I'd throw something into the fire and see what popped out. mike ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ariana Brill Subject: Re: TPDIS: Relationships Date: 24 May 2000 17:26:51 -0700 Michael Matott wrote: > I find myself much more drawn to people with an obvious > intellect and who have perspectives that differ from the norm. I find > myself being friends and in relationships with the 'outsiders'. I like > people I can debate things with. And that made me curious about how other > people on the list saw the relationships in their own lives. I would definitely say that this is true for me, as well. People who I maintain close relationships with tend to be very intelligent as well as extremely bizarre (such as Geoffrey! (=). As for romantic relationships, intelligence is definitely a very big factor in my attraction to someone - by far more than physical appearance. > And the reason I tie this in with TP is this: What do you think of the > relationships the TPs have? Friendship and other-wise? What do people > think of romance in the TPs lives? We don't really see much evidence of it, > but there are plenty of opinions on it in fan-fic! :-) I think it would be very hard, as a TP, to have an intimate relationship of any sort with a sap. Not that it can't be done - but I think it would be fairly unusual. This is supported by the lack of significant others on the show. It's not as though the TP are unattractive people (a survey of list crushes can definitely prove otherwise!), it's just that they're extremely busy with TP matters. It must be very hard to connect with someone that isn't in on those experiences. And with the lack of telepathic communication, I think it would feel as though there was something constantly missing from the relationship. Perhaps similar to an online relationship where you can't see or touch the other person - they're not by any means unheard of, but few people would choose their life partner to be someone who they could only communicate with online. -- (~.~) Ariana "Fantasy is hardly an escape from reality. It's a way of understanding it." - Lloyd Alexander saylormars@mail.com ICQ 9737939 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Cobalt Blue" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Relationships Date: 24 May 2000 18:18:38 PDT >From: Ariana Brill >Reply-To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com >To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com > >I would definitely say that this is true for me, as well. People who >I >maintain close relationships with tend to be very intelligent as >well as >extremely bizarre (such as Geoffrey! (=). As for romantic >relationships, intelligence is definitely a very big factor in my >attraction to someone - by far more than physical appearance. >And the reason I tie this in with TP is this: What do you think of >the >relationships the TPs have? Friendship and other-wise? What do >people >think of romance in the TPs lives? We don't really see much >evidence of >it, but there are plenty of opinions on it in fan-fic! >:-) IIRC, in a fan fiction of Shaun's John tried to date a sap named Sara, and it turned out badly (with the ruining of a wool jacket!). To me, this is evidence of what happens when TP's try to saps. It could turn out well. Plus, I didn't get the impression in the fan fiction that Sara was the sharpest tool in the shed. The TP's would have to look for open minds, because eventually the secret of what they are would have to come out, especially in long term relationships. Platonic relationships would be easier, because as we all know, it's sometimes much easier to get along with and talk to our friends than it is someone we're seeing. For a romance, they'd have to look for another TP, or in a Sap, someone who could accept and live with their abilities and not be jealous or frightened of them, and who could live with the dangers of being associated with the TP. The individual TP also would have different things they want in a relationship. I'm sure John would want someone who is his intellectual equal or better, while Liz would want someone who's caring and gentle, in both platonic and romantic relationships. As for the lack of telepathic communication, I agree with Ariana, it would weigh heavily on a *romantic* relationship, but as for a platonic relationship, it wouldn't be so bad. >This is supported by the lack of significant others on the show. Well, in the OS, it was a science-fiction children's show. In children's shows you don't see an extreme amount of romantic relationships being developed. In the NS, we did see Adam and Lucy being romantic, and Lucy was most definitely a sap. However, we don't see Lucy again and this could be due to the actress/Powers that Be/writers or that the relationship fell apart because they were just too different. Plus Lucy would have been constantly begging Adam for an exclusive. Now, with my new job, I can afford to pay attention (and give more than just two cents!) -Megan **** You'll close it down and board it up Remember the time I spilled the cup Of apple juice out in the hall Please tell mom this is not her fault -Blink182 "Adam's Song" ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: The lost world (was:TPDIS:Christian Tessier Updates(Megabyte)) Date: 24 May 2000 21:20:27 EDT Well he might not be dead. But I ain't hoping for much. On THE LOST WORLD anything can happen. There was one time Roxton,the bounty hunter was killed but raised from the dead by an evil boy who wanted to have him kill in revenge. And there have been other shamans, sorcerers, both evil and good beings that may have had the power to save, heal, raise the dead, or change time. Again, I don't think they are going to go for this. I predict Challenger will live--I mean he practically is THE LOST WORLD, probably Roxton, and I am a little less certain of Ned Malone as he is a type of Roxton hero (not really), but the guy with the arrow in his stomach and falling down the ravine, I don't hold much hope for. Hopefully Kris can be a cast regular. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: TPDIS: Re:villains Date: 24 May 2000 21:28:08 EDT These villains are good but in a TV show when they are overused (like every episode) they can get really dull, really fast. I feel their plans should be spread out, their appearances in between other adventures unless there is some wider arc or longer story parts that involved this villain. But sometimes using them over and over and over, gets really stale really fast. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: TPDIS: lab locales Date: 24 May 2000 21:51:05 EDT Well I am no expert but I do recall : In SLAVES thru to (I think) HEART OF SOGGUTH, the Lab was on Earth---disregarding or neglecting any adventures in between stories where it might have been moved and we were not told about it---because: Ginge moves from the doors out to the railway station--directly in MEDUSA STRAIN. Jedikiah drlIls from the railway into the lab in SLAVES. Carol and John go into the tunnels to the doors. Chris comes from the outside into the Lab (there might have been an airlock of some kind) rather than matter ting in--more than once in 3 stories at least-BLUE AND GREEN, A RIFT IN TIME, and SECRET WEAPON. The SIS comes from outside into the Lab in DIRTIEST. Jedikiah leaves the lab to go out living like a poor person (presumably onto Earth's city: London?). The lab itself from SLAVES to HEART OF SOGGUTH seemed to have changed quite a bit, things moved around, it got smaller somehow, I don't recall seeing the steps in later episodes, etc. I do not think we had any clues to where the Lab II was---I always thought it was just deeper down or farther away from the old Lab. I also always thought both labs were based in London from the way everyone spoke about it and their conditions. JOhn and Liz seemed to have been based in London but Stephen wasn't (SECRET WEAPON). Liz mentioned the first lab was seemingly hours from the taxi ride in BLUE but that tells us not much. Hughes asks John about the Lab but John just tells him it COULD be on the moon for all he knows. I doubt, althought enjoy the idea of different locales, that the Labs in the first series (the first was in England, that I am almost sure of?!) --well the second lab I doubt was undersea, on the Moon, in any different time or space, or anywhere else other than London. In fact, if the bubble skin aliens were taking over Earth in THE LIVING SKINS, it seemed to me that the lab was very close to this invasion, most likely on Earth itself. I am afraid we have almost no clue as to wehre this second lab is. What about the (inferior) new series. Where is the island? Pacific ocean I think. Where specifically? Phillipines? ANy clues from the show or the books? Near where? Tasmania? Australia? South America? Jamaica? Hawaii? Japan? Puerto Rico? Fiji? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Latimer84@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Relationships Date: 24 May 2000 21:56:57 EDT In a message dated 5/24/2000 9:19:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, frostjaunt@hotmail.com writes: > >I would definitely say that this is true for me, as well. People who >I > >maintain close relationships with tend to be very intelligent as >well as > >extremely bizarre (such as Geoffrey! (=). As for romantic > >relationships, intelligence is definitely a very big factor in my > >attraction to someone - by far more than physical appearance. I agree. I really don't get along too well with people who aren't very sharp (call me a snob ;) I prefer crazy, intelligent people, like Ariana =) In terms of romantic relationships, I think it'd be even harder to like someone who was "below" the TPs (in terms of evolution, at least)--they'd probably just get fed up eventually. Or perhaps the sap would! How would you feel it if your lover could communicate secretly at *any* time? (Anyone read the Ender books by Orson Scott Card? "Oh, Ender..." "Quiet, Novinha, I'm talking to Jane.." ;) > The TP's would have to look for open minds, because eventually the > secret of what they are would have to come out, especially in long term > relationships. Platonic relationships would be easier, because as we all > know, it's sometimes much easier to get along with and talk to our friends > than it is someone we're seeing. For a romance, they'd have to look for > another TP, or in a Sap, someone who could accept and live with their > abilities and not be jealous or frightened of them, and who could live with > the dangers of being associated with the TP. I think that it'd be really difficult to keep a secret of that magnitude from somebody, friend or more. This brought an interesting question to mind (bear with me here ;). I at first thought that TPs would end up getting together so that they could have TP kids. But then I thought, *duh*, is there any guarantee that two TPs' kids would be TPs? I have a friend who's father has white hair, her mother and brother have brown hair, but she has *red* hair. And the TP's parents are saps, after all. So, how would they try to make sure that their kids were TPs? I suppose there's always genetic "tweaking" or whatnot... > As for the lack of telepathic communication, I agree with Ariana, it > would weigh heavily on a *romantic* relationship, but as for a platonic > relationship, it wouldn't be so bad. I dunno--it might be in both. I know it'd be hard to talk to someone seriously if, for all I knew, they could be talking to all of their friends at the same time. > Well, in the OS, it was a science-fiction children's show. In children's > shows you don't see an extreme amount of romantic relationships being > developed. Um, have you ever seen Sailor Moon? Or Ranma 1/2? Or Slayers? Or... well, most anime. > In the NS, we did see Adam and Lucy being romantic, and Lucy was most > definitely a sap. However, we don't see Lucy again and this could be due to > the actress/Powers that Be/writers or that the relationship fell apart > because they were just too different. Plus Lucy would have been constantly > begging Adam for an exclusive. Maybe Adam just got fed up with Lucy, like everyone watching them did >=) > Now, with my new job, I can afford to pay attention > (and give more than just two cents!) Mmmm... ice cream... -Geoff "Children should always listen to their elders, but not necessarily do what they say." --Linus Pauling ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Latimer84@aol.com Subject: TPDIS: The lab Date: 24 May 2000 21:59:00 EDT I just thought of an interesting idea for the lab. Maybe it jaunts! As TIM is good at jaunting people, he might be able to handle a lab. Then people wouldn't really be able to find it (at least, not more than once ;). I realized that then he wouldn't be able to go through computers and stuff, but we have wireless phones, and still no stun guns, so... -Geoff "Children should always listen to their elders, but not necessarily do what they say." --Linus Pauling ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: lab locales Date: 25 May 2000 11:56:36 +1000 > From: CMento6653@aol.com [mailto:CMento6653@aol.com] > > The lab itself from SLAVES to HEART OF SOGGUTH seemed to have > changed quite a > bit, things moved around, it got smaller somehow, I don't > recall seeing the > steps in later episodes, etc. Check out http://www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/oldlab.html It's an attempt to chart the changes in the older Lab - and to work out a plan of it. You're right - there were a few changes. I don't think it got any smaller, though. > I do not think we had any clues to where the Lab II was---I > always thought it > was just deeper down or farther away from the old Lab. I also > always thought > both labs were based in London from the way everyone spoke > about it and their > conditions. JOhn and Liz seemed to have been based in London > but Stephen > wasn't (SECRET WEAPON). Liz mentioned the first lab was > seemingly hours from > the taxi ride in BLUE but that tells us not much. Actually, it seems pretty likely Stephen was based in London - in Slaves of Jedekiah, we can see maps being used to triangulate his position while he is on his way to school, or his way home. They are definitely maps of London. In fact, the Visitor may even mention where they live... > Hughes asks John about the Lab but John just tells him it > COULD be on the > moon for all he knows. I doubt, althought enjoy the idea of different > locales, that the Labs in the first series (the first was in > England, that I > am almost sure of?!) --well the second lab I doubt was > undersea, on the Moon, > in any different time or space, or anywhere else other than > London. In fact, > if the bubble skin aliens were taking over Earth in THE > LIVING SKINS, it > seemed to me that the lab was very close to this invasion, > most likely on > Earth itself. I am afraid we have almost no clue as to wehre > this second lab > is. Possibly, we do. We know it is on Earth - I hadn't thought of the Living Skins, but we do know it was affected by the earthquake that the Thargon ship crash caused in The Thargon Menace. There are also some indications that it is on the other side of the world to the crash which was in the south Pacific - and London would fit that (of course, it does depend on how precise the use of the term 'other side of the world is' - a lot of other places besides London are antipodal to the South Pacific! > What about the (inferior) new series. Where is the island? > Pacific ocean I > think. Where specifically? Phillipines? ANy clues from the > show or the books? > Near where? Tasmania? Australia? South America? Jamaica? > Hawaii? Japan? > Puerto Rico? Fiji? Beyond the Pacific, I don't think we have any idea. Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. 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I don't think it got any smaller, though. >> Well to me, it looked huge in the first season and even later in season two but by the time of DIRIEST BUSINESS it looked real small. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: lab locales Date: 24 May 2000 23:12:26 EDT In a message dated 00-05-24 22:01:42 EDT, you write: << Actually, it seems pretty likely Stephen was based in London - in Slaves of Jedekiah, we can see maps being used to triangulate his position while he is on his way to school, or his way home. They are definitely maps of London. >> I don';t think Stephen was on his way to school before he broke out. He might have been but it looked to me as though he were shopping. but he did say, "I have another two friends in London..." so it could have meant he was from London as well as they. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: lab locales Date: 24 May 2000 23:13:44 EDT In a message dated 00-05-24 22:38:14 EDT, you write: << << (inferior) new series >> don't say that :) >> Okay, can I telepath it? :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: TPDIS: stalker trying to im me Date: 24 May 2000 23:14:29 EDT The person that was making rude comments is trying to instant message me under different names. Just thought I would give out a warning. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: lab locales Date: 25 May 2000 13:18:02 +1000 > From: CMento6653@aol.com [mailto:CMento6653@aol.com] > > I don';t think Stephen was on his way to school before he > broke out. He might > have been but it looked to me as though he were shopping. but > he did say, "I > have another two friends in London..." so it could have meant > he was from > London as well as they. He was in school uniform - and as we never see him in it again, I doubt he wears it for fun. He may well have been shopping, but if so, I would guess it was on the way home from school. Just guesses - no proof. Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Nolan Subject: Re: TPDIS: Relationships Date: 25 May 2000 17:05:26 +1000 Hi, Hmm, love well i dont think it exists any more, its just a chemical reaction from which people can get to hurt each other, under the excuse of love. Sounds bitter doesnt it, well im not always that bad, but hey, some times its true, etc. Now, as to TP dating If a TP can read anothers mind, then they would always know when the partner had been lying, would be interesting on Bad Hair Days. It would be great for double dating, where the other couple werent TP, you could swap great on the side comments. You would know that your date wouldnt be able to kill you. cheers tony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tassierilla@juno.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Relationships Date: 25 May 2000 07:16:47 -0400 On Wed, 24 May 2000 15:16:17 PDT "Michael Matott" writes: I find myself much more drawn to people with an > obvious > intellect and who have perspectives that differ from the norm. I > find > myself being friends and in relationships with the 'outsiders'. I > like > people I can debate things with. And that made me curious about > how other > people on the list saw the relationships in their own lives. Woah, too scary. Sounds just like me! I seem to be, well drawn, to people who are just like this. All of my friends seem to be either really intellingent, off the wall werid, or both! Well, to put this into perspective, I'm best friends with no less than 3 witches, (Really interesting conversations, put 4 ecclectic pagans in a chat room and watch what happens!) and as for the rest....well...I won't get into it, suffice it to say they're really odd. > > And the reason I tie this in with TP is this: What do you think of > the > relationships the TPs have? Friendship and other-wise? What do > people > think of romance in the TPs lives? We don't really see much > evidence of it, > but there are plenty of opinions on it in fan-fic! :-) Hmm...well, i think TP's are probably really good friends with each other...what with them seeming to know *everything* about each other when they first meet. :) They seem to be a really close knit group. As for TP's friends with non-TP's, they seem to get along pretty well together. Though i'm wondering if their friends may start to annoy them bumming jaunts off them to exotic places. (Heck, i'll admit it, if i were a TP's friend, i'd probably do that! Hawaii, here I come! :)) Romance would seem to me to be a bit tougher. If a TP dated a non-TP, would the non-TP be jealous of the TP's abilities? Would they be paranoid about the TP's telepathy? There's so many ways for a really messy breakup to occur there that's far from the norm i don't even want to think about it! Sarah "There's always a bigger fish"~Qui-Gon Jinn "It's not wise to upset a wookie" "Try not. Do or do not, there is no try."~Yoda ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tassierilla@juno.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: lab locales Date: 25 May 2000 07:22:56 -0400 On Wed, 24 May 2000 21:51:05 EDT CMento6653@aol.com writes: > What about the (inferior) new series. Where is the island? Pacific > ocean I > think. Where specifically? Phillipines? ANy clues from the show or > the books? > Near where? Tasmania? Australia? South America? Jamaica? Hawaii? > Japan? > Puerto Rico? Fiji? It's not inferior, it just didn't go on as long. Give the writers a break! :) anyways, All they ever said was that it was in a "desert island somewhere in the south pacific." No specific location. Isn't that annoying? Sarah "There's always a bigger fish"~Qui-Gon Jinn "It's not wise to upset a wookie" "Try not. Do or do not, there is no try."~Yoda ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Matott" Subject: Re: TPDIS: lab locales Date: 25 May 2000 04:41:59 PDT >It's not inferior, it just didn't go on as long. Give the writers a >break! :) anyways, All they ever said was that it was in a "desert >island somewhere in the south pacific." No specific location. Isn't >that annoying? > hey, it's an uncharted island. Got to keep the saps from stumbling onto it. After all, what do you think they'd do once they found an alien spacecraft with children popping in and out of it in thin air? we've got to keep some things secret. :-> remember, if anyone asks, we're just ordinary people. mike ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: lab locales Date: 25 May 2000 16:48:25 EDT In a message dated 00-05-24 23:22:56 EDT, you write: << He was in school uniform - and as we never see him in it again, I doubt he wears it for fun. >> Could have been after school? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: TPDIS: like the new series? Date: 25 May 2000 16:53:53 EDT In a message dated 00-05-25 07:34:12 EDT, you write: << t's not inferior, it just didn't go on as long. Give the writers a break! :) anyways, All they ever said was that it was in a "desert island somewhere in the south pacific." No specific location. Isn't that annoying? >> Sorry, just that I'm too opinionated. The writers ? The viewers needed a break and didn't get it! :) Okay what I like about the in...newer series: 1-Adam 2-Megabyte 3-Mega's friendship with Kevin 4-the special effects were better Ummmm, at a loss now... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Nolan Subject: Re: TPDIS: Relationships Date: 26 May 2000 06:49:26 +1000 Hello All, If TP got married and had children, would their children also be TP, or would only some of them, or would Non of their children be TP, just their grand children, ie like many genetic things, it skips an generation. cheers tony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: lab locales Date: 26 May 2000 07:04:20 +1000 >In a message dated 00-05-24 23:22:56 EDT, you write: > ><< > He was in school uniform - and as we never see him in it again, I doubt he > wears it for fun. > >> > > >Could have been after school? Sure - but it would still suggest he was somewhere near his school at the time - if he was going further afield for some reason, I would have expected him to change (-8 Also - when his mother phones his father, she says that Stephen is in 'the hospital'. To me, that suggests it's a hospital local to her - if it was a more distant one, I'd guess she'd have given its name - in case his father wanted to go there. Just saying 'the hospital' suggests he'd know which one she meant - and that does suggest a local one. Shaun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: TPDIS: relationships Date: 25 May 2000 17:02:52 EDT I thought in a way Kenny was the strongest power-wise TP. Therefore, he was to be more protected by John and Carol since he was so young. I think Kenny was like their child in some ways. And they the "married" couple. John seemed a bit jealous when Carol left (in the books he remeets her and seems a bit miffed about her being away and about her marriage). If this was so, then Liz and John, after her first story, seemed like a married team. At first, Liz was sarcastic toward John and even Stephen, even kind of grudingly sorry that she was not called on in RIFT and mad at their smugness in DDMEN. Beyond that, she was kind of with John almost all the way but was a bit more "with it" as far as going out and being with people. She mixes well with people in SOGGUTH and is shocked John's never been to a club or disco. It is she with John along with TIM to form the grandfather/father/mother backbone of the TP. Stephen although younger, was looked after by Kenny at least in SLAVES, although they seemed more like team mates in MEDUSA and VANISHING. Kenny put his life on the line to save Stephen and John in MEDUSA. Stephen with Tyso was a different matter, it would seem. Tyso was more like a little brother and Stephen had to train him, much as Kenny might have trained Stephen (but we saw very little of any of this, none really). Tyso and Stephen was kind of mates as far as joking around but Stephen would draw a line and not be a bit of a crook whereas Tyso would. If Stephen got into mischief, Tyso would get in deeper. They had a kind of jokey relationship. Tyso with Mike might have been more interesting if the show continued with Tyso. As it was Tyso and Mike only really mingled in Mike's first story and a very short time in INTO THE UNKNOWN. They seemed to have a respect for one another but it seemed when push came to shove, Tyso was on the side of John and Liz when it seemed Mike was a rebel TP. Tyso also didn't seem too happy that Mike was lying to he and Stephen. And as the butt of a joke played on O'Reilly, he wasn't too happy either. Tyso with John was a bit mocking but I think it was all in fun, Tyso probably doing much to John that he wanted to do to his own father but was too afraid. Knowing John would never beat him...Tyso often let loose. Stephen and John...oh heck this all for a snooze! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: TPDIS: married, children Date: 25 May 2000 17:04:51 EDT sOME PEOPLE think TP couples would have TP children. I am not as sure. I think maybe it would happen but somehow I think that each child might have to break out on his or her own. it could be a combo TP couples could have children who are naturally TP but also some children who have to grow up and break out on theri own. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jane starr Subject: TPDIS: tp relationships Date: 26 May 2000 20:54:10 -0600 I'm not as convinced as some of you that the tp couldn't/wouldn't have permanent romantic relationships with non-tp. Especially this first generation - non-tp are what is around them. The tp options are pretty limited (and I'm not personally a fan of the John/Liz combo). I'm only talking old series here, since that's what I'm most familiar with and fond of. There are a lot of factors that go into "love" and both partners being telepathic is only one of them. Intelligence, shared values, respect, physical attraction, and a whole pile of intangibles. How often do we see a couple and wonder what they see in each other? I know one pair who have now outlasted all the bets placed on the potential longevity of their marriage by over ten years (they must be coming up on their 20th anniversary). Then there are Mr and Ms "Everybody thinks they're perfect for each other", and they're divorced in under 2 years. Go figure. In fact (oh, to be a writer) I think one could do an entertaining riff on Pride and Prejudice, featuring John as Mr. Darcy, and a non-tp woman as Elizabeth Bennett. First proposal: Him - "I tried not to love you because you're only a sap, but I can't help myself." Her: "Get stuffed, you stuck up bigot." So, okay, Jane Austen is a better writer, but it could be fun. Jane Jane Starr starr@planet.eon.net Edmonton, Alberta, Canada check out the ON SPEC web page at www.icomm.ca/onspec/ and 2001: A Book Odyssey - The Strathearn School Millennium Project at www.icomm.ca/strath2k/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AmyH3x4@aol.com Subject: TPDIS: I noticed in "The Gladiator" Date: 27 May 2000 17:01:38 EDT Last week I saw "The Gladiator" with my friends... it was a very good movie I thought, although the battle scenes were pretty violent (although a notch below "Braveheart" though). Also, there was something funny about the battles that hurts your eyes... anyway, I did enjoy the music score for the movie, and the scenery was beautiful. Anyway, I realized that one of the guys who trained gladiators was named Gaious. This is also the name of the major baddy in "A Rift in Time" who bought and trained gladiators to fight in Rome (although we learn he messes with time on his days off). Perhaps Gaious is a popular name for ancient Romans, but it seemed like a pretty big coincidence to me... Just somethin I noticed... Amy :) AmyH3x4@aol.com MeatballHead_Page@yahoo.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.cyhaus.com/Smoon/Smoon.htm - Sailor Moon http://www.cyhaus.com/tp/default.htm - Tomorrow People http://www.cyhaus.com/Camp/Jupiter/seiyuu.htm - Dub Seiyuu http://www.cyhaus.com/Camp/Jupiter/default.htm - Home Page http://www.cyhaus.com/Camp/Jupiter/trade.htm - Nifty Anime Trades ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "'Come out to the coast... we'll get together... have a few laughs.'" - John McLain, Die Hard ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "marmion116" Subject: TPDIS: RE:TPDIS married children Date: 26 May 2000 21:13:27 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0163_01BFC757.3C205FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CMento6653 wrote "sOME PEOPLE think TP couples would have TP children. I am not as sure. I think maybe it would happen but somehow I think that = each=20 child might have to break out on his or her own. it could be a combo TP couples could have children who are naturally TP but also some = children=20 who have to grow up and break out on theri own." I think that if 2 TPs had children they would almost certainly be tp but = I guess if a TP had kids with a sap some would be telepaths and some = wouldn't Can you imagine if you were not a TP and all the rest of your family = were? would that be better or worse than being TP amongst saps? = Whatsisname in Medusa strain certainly had a problem (Sorry forgotten = his name - counting on Shaun to know the answer!) and spent all his time = trying to eliminate telepaths. Is it more difficult to have special needs of the learning difficulty = type or the gifted type? - again one for Shaun, I guess I can't help feeling sorry for the non TP kids amongst the families, all = the bad bits such as secrecy and knowing that the world was in terrible = danger from some alien monster or other, but none of the good bits like = jaunting to Australia to pick apples. What do you all think?=20 Easier to be a TP among saps or a sap among TPs? regards Carolyn