From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Quandry Date: 01 Jan 1998 00:00:34 +1100 > From: tzm > > Now that I have seen 8 serials of the Original TP, I have some questions. > 1) What exactly is the Galactic Federation and the Galactic Trig? The Galactic Federation is a collection of 64,000,000 planets inhabited by telepathic beings. The Galactic Trig is its government. > 2) Which Saps knew about the TP? Ginger Harding (Ginge): 1st season Lefty: 1st season Chris Harding: 2nd and 3rd seasons Professor Cawston: 3rd and 4th seasons The Prime Minister of Great Britain: Secret Weapon Colonel Masters: 3rd and 4th seasons Major Turner: The Dirtiest Business The US President: The War of the Empires I think that's all - although it's clear that the US, UK, and USSR governments all have knowledge of the Tomorrow People. > 3) Who exactly is Chris and how did he become so important in the Blue > and Green? Chris is Ginge's younger brother. Basically he must have met the TP through his brother although we never see this. He appears in The Blue and the Green for the first time without any explanation of how he came to know the TP. IIRC, the role he played was meant to be played by Michael Standing (Ginge) but he was injured so a replacement had to be found quickly and the character of Chris was created. > 4) I know we discussed Tricia earlier, but since know I finally know who > she is can you explain it to me once again? How did the TP meet her? was > she one of them? How often did she appear?, etc. Tricia is a telepath who works for British Intelligence as an assistant to Colonel Masters. She first appears with him in Secret Weapon. At the end of Secret Weapon John tells her that she could have been a Tomorrow Person but something stopped her from developing. He also tells he it's not too late. She appears again in The Revenge of Jedikiah where, at the end of that story, she breaks out becoming a Tomorrow Person and helps to save the others lives. With them she leaves for the Trig at the end of that story and is not seen again, but she is said to have joined the Federation Police. > 5) what exactly is that table that the TPs put their hands on whenever > they try to communicate telepathically? That's never really explained but The Visitor (a novel) seems to indicate that the tables are a terminal connection to TIM - they allow TIM to boost the TPs powers and for them to help each other and to connect to each other more readily. > 6) was it explained at the end of the first season that Carol and Kenny > left Earth? It was explained in The Blue and The Green that they had decided to stay on the Trig and had joined Overmind which is something similar to the UN general assembly. Carol is said to have fallen in love with an Adonisian diplomat. Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: TPDIS: Visitor images Date: 01 Jan 1998 00:15:02 +1100 As some people may have noticed I finally finished posting 'The Visitor' to the fiction list a few days ago. Some people may be interested in the following things I have added to my page. At the start of each chapter of The Visitor there is a small black and white illustration and I've now scanned these and added them to my TP page - http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html so if people would like to see them or download them they are available for a while at least - I may take them down later. I've also made a few other minor changes to the page. Happy New Year (it's just gone midnight here so I'm now in 1998!) Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sun Star77 Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP sighting (sort of) Date: 01 Jan 1998 00:12:40 EST In a message dated 97-12-31 19:11:37 EST, you write: << WHOA! I just *just* about to post that. I didn't bother to see the credits, but i'm SURE it was him! He had the same voice, style, etc. -Geoff >> Must be those psychic powers kicking in. ;-) I knew it was him as soon as I heard him but I wanted to see if his character had a name (you know, reporter # 1 or something like that) Kate ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SapphireSky Subject: Re: TPDIS: An interesting page Date: 01 Jan 1998 02:41:41 -0400 I'm finally back! I know this is old, but I had to answer. > Oh yeah, and this is directly quoted from my science textbook: > > "How do you know that... > > Air and moisture affect rocks? The photographs show a monument called > Cleopatra's Needle. It was carved in Egypt around 1450 BC. The sides of the > monument are carved with hieroglyphs, the writings of ancient Egypt. > Cleopatra's Needle stood in the dry, hot Egyptian desert for over 3000 years. > During all that time, the hieroglyphs remained distinct. In 1880, the > monument was moved to New York City. Almost immediately, the hieroglyphs > began to fade. In only a few years in the wet and variable climate of New > York, the Egyptian writing became indistinct." > > So, were there more than one Cleo needles, or did they just call it Cleo's > needle in Rameses Connection to make it sound better? Didn't somebody visit > the site of the obelisk? > > Amy :) There are two Cleopatra's Needles. one in London that was used for the show, and one in Central Park in New York City. I actually got to see this one last year. I dragged my family through most of Central Park while it was raining, but it had to be done. It was given to New York on February 22nd, 1881 (exactly 101 years before my birthday!), which fits in the show's discription of them being moved out last century. Surrounding the obelisk, there were plaques translating some of the hieroglyphs, and there were many references to Rameses on them. I even took pictures of the plaques so that I could have the exact translation captured on film. Okay, I'm pitiful. :) Finding that there are other TP fans was a high point in my 1997. Happy New Year everyone! Rachel with an E :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Quick question Date: 01 Jan 1998 22:44:51 +1100 > > 3) I know this has probably been asked before, but what are the actors > > in the Old Series doing these days? Have any made any other > > appearances in movies or TV? > > Shaun's web pages give a list of various parts that some of them have > played. At the moment only Sammie Winmill and Mike Holoway are still > performing from the TPs themselves, although other semi-regulars such > as Christopher Chittell and Richard Speight are still acting. I've just received a listing of roles I didn't have for TP actors so I'm just about to update the filmographies in the next hour or so. They can be found at http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/film.html > Nick Young is the managing director of two agencies, PVC owns a > thatrical lighting company and Elizabeth Adare has been a social > worker. The current locations of the others is much less certain. The following information is taken from TV Zone #92 (June 1997, I think) Mike Holoway: appears in stage musicals. He recently toured Europe in 'The Spirit of Rock and Roll' Nick Young: theatrical agent Elizabeth Adare: social worker Peter Vaughan Clarke: Electrician in theatre Philip Gilbert: runs a drama school Sammie Winmill: a singer of choral music Stephen Salmon: rumoured to be a postman Dean Lawrence: living on a farm Misako Koba: rumoured to have married an Englishman and to have done some singing. Nigel Rhodes: nothing known. Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: TPDIS: Nick Young appearance Date: 01 Jan 1998 22:52:02 +1100 Australian listies take note. Tomorrow (Friday), in Melbourne at least, a movie called 'SOS Titanic' will be on on Channel 9 at 9pm. According to information I have just received Nick Young makes an appearance in this film. Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeremy Rogers Subject: Re: TPDIS: Quick question Date: 01 Jan 1998 20:20:23 GMT "Shaun Hately" said: > Mike Holoway: appears in stage musicals. He recently toured Europe in 'The > Spirit of Rock and Roll' Very much second fiddle to Paul Shane. > Nick Young: theatrical agent At least one of his agencies is for modelling. Both of them always have an advertisement somewhere in Spotlight. > Stephen Salmon: rumoured to be a postman The earliest source I can find for this is an interview of Nick Young about four years ago. He says there that he thought that Stephen Salmon had gone to work for the Royal Mail in the mid 1970s, but he hadn't heard anything more about him since then. Jez -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: scott goldman Subject: Re: TPDIS: Quandry Date: 01 Jan 1998 18:05:07 -0500 (EST) > Carol, Kenny, Elizabeth, or Hsui Tai (well, all she had was the monks, and > some of them may have known) it is only speculation to assume that they I don;t know if it's in the filmography (or if anyone cares), but I think that the assistant main monk from Hsui Tai's breakout episode (title missing in memory) is Kato from the Pink Panther movie series... ScottG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: arpitp@juno.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Quandry Date: 01 Jan 1998 17:59:23 +0000 Ruby Red wrote: > It's a table. The point of it is that it is a flat surface which > enables them to sit in a circle and spread out their hands (nearly > touching) in order, not to communicate telepathically, but to "join > forces" mentally, either for thinking out something, or, more often, > to "boost" their telepathy, collectively, in order to try to contact > someone who is hard to contact, for example, someone who is just > breaking out. is it the table that "joins forces" and "boosts" their Telepathic abilities, or is it the position that they're seated in? i've always thought that the Original Series' table-link was similar to the New Series' Mind Merge. the Mind Merge didn't really seem to have anything to do with *where* they were, but rather, the fact that they were all together with their "palms almost touching". Mind Merges were almost always on the Space Ship, but i think there were a few instances where they occurred elsewhere (standing outside the ship in the Origin Story, when they were going to Teleport to "somewhere near, but not too close" to the high school - was that a Mind Merge? and in The Culex Experiment when Ami was in Dr. Culex's lair and was calling out to Megabyte and Adam when they were in General Damon's waiting room). i regret that i haven't seen all of the episodes of The Original Series - do they ever gather in a similar fashion to the table thing when they're *not* in the lab? i seem to remember in the beginning of A Rift in Time John and Elizabeth placing their hands as if in a New Series Mind Merge to try and Telepathically contact Stephen after they noticed that their special powers had gone dead. that may be from some other episode, though, i'm so exhausted i can't tell one from the other... i *hate* getting up early to catch a plane! (though for better or for worse, i've arrived in santa barbara!) --Ariana "If I was telepathic, if I could teleport, it would be the dream of my life come true!" -Megabyte Damon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Quandry Date: 02 Jan 1998 12:37:43 +1100 > From: arpitp@juno.com > > is it the table that "joins forces" and "boosts" their Telepathic > abilities, or is it the position that they're seated in? i've always > thought that the Original Series' table-link was similar to the New > Series' Mind Merge. the Mind Merge didn't really seem to have anything > to do with *where* they were, but rather, the fact that they were all > together with their "palms almost touching". Mind Merges were almost > always on the Space Ship, but i think there were a few instances where > they occurred elsewhere (standing outside the ship in the Origin Story, > when they were going to Teleport to "somewhere near, but not too close" > to the high school - was that a Mind Merge? and in The Culex Experiment > when Ami was in Dr. Culex's lair and was calling out to Megabyte and Adam > when they were in General Damon's waiting room). > > i regret that i haven't seen all of the episodes of The Original Series - > do they ever gather in a similar fashion to the table thing when they're > *not* in the lab? i seem to remember in the beginning of A Rift in Time > John and Elizabeth placing their hands as if in a New Series Mind Merge > to try and Telepathically contact Stephen after they noticed that their > special powers had gone dead. that may be from some other episode, > though, i'm so exhausted i can't tell one from the other... i *hate* > getting up early to catch a plane! (though for better or for worse, i've > arrived in santa barbara!) You're correct that that scene is in 'A Rift In Time'. Personally I'd agree with Ariana here in that I feel that this is very similar or identical to the mind merge of the new series. Personally I'd say that touching the table merely brings TIM into the mind merge as well - he doesn't have hands so the table serve as his hands for that purpose. It also seems to serve as his eyes in a way - the lid of the vase being placed there in 'A Rift in Time' so he can examine it is an example of that. I think the wierd seesaw like chairs in the spaceship in the new series may be similar - especially as the TP seem to use it to delve into their memories at times. This is similar IMHO to the 'recap' the original TP do in (I think) Slaves of Jedikiah. According to 'The Visitor' the TP do seem to be able to gain power from TIM if they are in contact with him: 'A misty shadow came and went. They used their linked minds to concentrate with a desperate intensity. TIM extended his link contacts towards them. John and Stephen risked breaking the circle to grab at the contacts. In that microsecond they almost lost Arlon forever. Then with the tremendous added power of TIM they managed to pull him through. The whole Lab shook with energy as the little shadow became an outline, the outline became a shape and the shape slowly solidified. Suddenly there was Arlon, standing between them in the Lab with a very puzzled look on his face.' Of course The Visitor isn't canon - but it is indicative at least. Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: arpitp@juno.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Quandry Date: 01 Jan 1998 22:05:29 +0000 Shaun wrote: > You're correct that that scene is in 'A Rift In Time'. Personally I'd > agree with Ariana here in that I feel that this is very similar or > identical to the mind merge of the new series. Personally I'd say that > touching the table merely brings TIM into the mind merge as well - he > doesn't have hands so the table serve as his hands for that purpose. that makes sense. TIM is another aid in the process of linking, and since they're often on the lab, why not include him? but, saying that it's necessary to include him would be like saying John participated in all links, therefore links cannot occur without John. > It also seems to serve as his eyes in a way - the lid of the vase being > placed there in 'A Rift in Time' so he can examine it is an example of > that. again, i'm even more exhausted then when i wrote my previous post (thanks to the wonders of jet lag) but i think i remember the cheesy swirly light special effects being used. it's never been to clear to me whether the characters view the same swirly lines, or if they're only revealed to the audience to show that some sort of special power is being used. if it's the former, that would suggest that it wasn't the table that the item was placed on (did TIM refer to it as his examination table? i know he put some adjective in front of it but i can't seem to remember what. unfortunately, my tapes are in a moving van 3,000 miles away) but some sort of sensor, that TIM was using to "look" at the vase lid. --Ariana "If I was telepathic, if I could teleport, it would be the dream of my life come true!" -Megabyte Damon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Latimer84 Subject: TPDIS: YKYWTMTPW.... Date: 01 Jan 1998 22:24:10 EST You know you watch too much Tomorrow People when.... ... you here someone talk about the movie (it's in America now, probably other places too), and you yell "'darn' straight!". ;-) -Geoff the Jokester (wait, that's Megabyte....) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Yates" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Quick question Date: 02 Jan 1998 12:38:11 -0000 . > >> 3) I know this has probably been asked before, but what are the actors in the >> Old Series doing these days? Have any made any other appearances in movies or >> TV? > >Shaun's web pages give a list of various parts that some of them have >played. At the moment only Sammie Winmill and Mike Holoway are still >performing from the TPs themselves, although other semi-regulars such >as Christopher Chittell and Richard Speight are still acting. > >Nick Young is the managing director of two agencies, PVC owns a >thatrical lighting company and Elizabeth Adare has been a social >worker. The current locations of the others is much less certain. > >Jez I think I read somewhere, (was it Shaun's Page????) that Steve Salmon is now a postman??? David ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tigger Subject: Re: TPDIS: YKYWTMTPW.... Date: 02 Jan 1998 17:37:01 -0500 (CDT) Geoff wrote: >You know you watch too much Tomorrow People when.... > ... you here someone talk about the movie (it's in America now, probably >other places too), and you yell "'darn' straight!". ;-) > -Geoff the Jokester (wait, that's Megabyte....) Clearly, it wasn't The Rameses Connection. :0 Actuallly, I think that's about the right amount, though. Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ade@bestweb.net Subject: TPDIS: #TomorrowPeople Date: 02 Jan 1998 20:48:54 -0500 (EST) Is open...I even changed the topic ;) Happy new year! ade ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hal Freeman Subject: TPDIS: TP sighting (sort of)(another one) Date: 03 Jan 1998 12:46:28 -0600 All right, this probably really small potatoes, but I felt that I should delurk for a few hours before I go back to fan fic. I took a break to watch TV and I turned it on Nickelodeon, because is was about the time that Tomorrow People came on, so I turned it there. It was "Are you Afraid of the Dark". It started none other than Christian Tessier. I'm guessing that this is pre-TP. It was "The Tale of Laughing in the Dark." He played some dude named Josh. Also I found out that his eyes really aren't that blue. They're blue green. My first thought was "He's got the Blue and the Green!" I really couldn't help but throw that in there. It was just too tempting. Now we know the connection between new and old TP. Back to the Fan Fiction Salt Mines Megan ********* Luke you are my father! -Tiffany Canaday Misquoting Star Wars ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: scottg@global2000.net (ScottG) Subject: Re: TPDIS: Lost in Space - Movie... Date: 03 Jan 1998 17:52:52 -0500 sorry for the delay in replaying & a bit off topic Well... The new movie is based on the 'Lost In Space' series, but it is much more of a real sci-fi story than the series ever was. The previews look **AMAZING**.. the is always a laugh at the end when the robot (from tos) says "Danger Will Robinson" btw thats the web address... www.dangerwillrobinson.com >Hi everyone. I know it's a little bit of topic but the new movie called "Lost >in Space" that will be in movie theaters soon has some similarities with Old TP >series and also with those old series "Lost in Space". > > Alex. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Yates" Subject: TPDIS: Re: Fan Fiction Date: 04 Jan 1998 13:21:51 -0000 I have a question regarding TP Fan Fiction which I would appreciate your comments on:- I have read most of the TP fiction on Wendy's list AND on the ESP page; and the problem I have with them is as follows: 1) All of the stories begin with what I will call the "default settings" [ie they pick up the characters where the tv series left off.] 2) All of the stories then place the characters into different exciting and life-changing situations; with many of them introducing new and well-rounded characters... 3) THEN at the end of the adventure, that is all forgotten as the NEXT story goes back to the default settings with no reference to the previous adventure!!!! I know that you will say that the tv series is canonical etc. etc., but, lets be honest, its VERY unlikely that there will ever BE a new tv series. Therefore what I propose is this, Lets allow for the lack of new canon by making up our OWN canon. It is surely possible to develop the TP timeline to incorporate all our fan fiction and make a sort of definitive TP "bible" which could go out to any new authors. If we did this, it would allow for character development, and the "new" characters to become a part of everyone's universe!!! Please let me know what you think?? "Live long and prosper!" DAVID. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ruby Red Subject: Re: TPDIS: Re: Fan Fiction Date: 05 Jan 1998 07:07:14 +1100 On Sun, Jan 04, 1998 at 01:21:51PM -0000, David Yates wrote: > I have a question regarding TP Fan Fiction which I would appreciate your > comments on:- > I have read most of the TP fiction on Wendy's list AND on the ESP page; and > the problem I have with them is as follows: > 1) All of the stories begin with what I will call the "default settings" [ie > they pick up the characters where the tv series left off.] > 2) All of the stories then place the characters into different exciting and > life-changing situations; with many of them introducing new and well-rounded > characters... > 3) THEN at the end of the adventure, that is all forgotten as the NEXT story > goes back to the default settings with no reference to the previous > adventure!!!! > I know that you will say that the tv series is canonical etc. etc., but, > lets be honest, its VERY unlikely that there will ever BE a new tv series. > > Therefore what I propose is this, Lets allow for the lack of new canon by > making up our OWN canon. It is surely possible to develop the TP timeline to > incorporate all our fan fiction and make a sort of definitive TP "bible" > which could go out to any new authors. > > If we did this, it would allow for character development, and the "new" > characters to become a part of everyone's universe!!! I'm afraid that to try anything like this would go against the very nature of fanfic. The TV series *is* the only thing that is canonical, because the TV series is the only thing that was made with any authority. Who are *you* to say what is new-canon or not? I, as an author, certainly would not agree to submit to *your* ideas, or *anyone's* ideas of what I can or cannot write. If you wish for a consensus, you probably won't get one. On the other hand, there is nothing at all stopping any author, or group of authors, from agreeing on a future timeline, and setting up a series of stories in that timeline. Indeed, it has *already* been done for TP fanfic, at least three times that I know of. There's Wendy & Selma's "Tomorrow's Future" series, there's Shaun's one, and there's the "Tapestry" universe. What more could you want? The future has already been written more than once. Whose version would you chose? And there's the courtesy to consider. Yes, we are all doing the grey thing by writing in the TP universe at all, but amongst ourselves, we have different standards. If you want to use characters or situations which another fan has written, you *ask* them first. It's only polite. We don't ask the TP folk for permission because they would never be able to grant it, but we do ask each other permission, because we *can* contact each other, and we *can* say yes, and most people would be flattered to be asked, and most people respect each other enough to respect each others' creations. Just because, for example, the "Tapestry" universe is, if I recall correctly, declared to be free for all, doesn't mean that I could just jump in and write a story set in the "Tomorrow's Future" universe without asking - Wendy and Selma have plans, and if I wrote a story it might be stomping all over those plans. It would be unthinkable not to discuss it with them first. In summary: the whole thing is a Bad Idea, and we don't need it. KJA -- Ruby Red "Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas any more." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michele R Mason Subject: Re: TPDIS: Re: Fan Fiction Date: 04 Jan 1998 15:26:03 -0500 >Therefore what I propose is this, Lets allow for the lack of new canon by >making up our OWN canon. It is surely possible to develop the TP timeline to >incorporate all our fan fiction and make a sort of definitive TP "bible" >which could go out to any new authors. > >If we did this, it would allow for character development, and the "new" >characters to become a part of everyone's universe!!! I think that this is what some of us are trying to accomplish in our alternate universes (ie, Tomorrow's Future, Opposites Attract, A More Perfect Union, Edge of Forever, Tapestry). Aside from these universes, are you suggesting that we create a TPFICT universe all our own? I can see the merits in that. However, it would have to be agreed on by *all* writers, and I think that might get a little hairy. . . Michele _________________________________________ "A dream is the answer to a question we haven't yet learned how to ask." ---Dana Scully, the X-Files ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeremy Rogers Subject: Re: TPDIS: Re: Fan Fiction Date: 04 Jan 1998 21:22:40 GMT "David Yates" wrote: > I have a question regarding TP Fan Fiction which I would appreciate your > comments on:- > I have read most of the TP fiction on Wendy's list AND on the ESP page; and > the problem I have with them is as follows: > 1) All of the stories begin with what I will call the "default settings" [ie > they pick up the characters where the tv series left off.] Not true; there are plenty of stories set in the middle of either series. > 2) All of the stories then place the characters into different exciting and > life-changing situations; with many of them introducing new and well-rounded > characters... > 3) THEN at the end of the adventure, that is all forgotten as the NEXT story > goes back to the default settings with no reference to the previous > adventure!!!! Why should they? They are the work of individuals, or in some cases a small co-ordination of authors which are self consistent. > I know that you will say that the tv series is canonical etc. etc., but, > lets be honest, its VERY unlikely that there will ever BE a new tv series. Write to Pearson TV :) > Therefore what I propose is this, Lets allow for the lack of new canon by > making up our OWN canon. It is surely possible to develop the TP timeline to > incorporate all our fan fiction and make a sort of definitive TP "bible" > which could go out to any new authors. It could be possible, but likely to cause a lot of argument, as different people see the characters in different ways from the start, let alone how a story line might develop. It would probably lead to some people stopping writing altogether, as their opinion wouldn't align with the 'official' one. > If we did this, it would allow for character development, and the "new" > characters to become a part of everyone's universe!!! I prefer to see different takes myself. After all the TV series is not internally consistent anyway. Jez -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: TPDIS: A strange KS rumour Date: 04 Jan 1998 17:54:35 +1100 I was talking to a friend the other day and he said that he had heard (he's a major Neighbour's fan) that Kristian Schmid's appendix was a prize in a competition on a British TV show a few years ago. This is an interesting rumour - so I have two questions. 1) Has anyone else heard this one before or does anyone know if it's true (it's just strange enough that it might be) 2) Would you enter such a contest - I think it might take being a fan a tad too far for me (and I never thought I'd set limits on my TP fandom) Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Re: Fan Fiction Date: 05 Jan 1998 09:51:55 +1100 > From: David Yates > > I have a question regarding TP Fan Fiction which I would appreciate your > comments on:- > I have read most of the TP fiction on Wendy's list AND on the ESP page; > and the problem I have with them is as follows: > 1) All of the stories begin with what I will call the "default settings" > [ie they pick up the characters where the tv series left off.] I have to disagree. Certainly a large number of stories do this - it's convenient for one thing and causes less problems with trying to sort out canon, but not all do this. For my own fanfiction 'Making Connections' comes before the original series 'Analgesia' takes place at the same time as The Medusa Strain 'Dear John' between 'Achilles Heel' and 'The Living Skins' 'Exodus' takes place after the original series 'The Lesser Of Two Evils' takes place before 'Origin Story' 'A Sense of Belonging' takes place during 'Origin Story' (sort of) 'Second Chance' takes place after 'The Living Stones' Only two of the stories pick up where the series left off - and those both because they are the best place for them (Exodus couldn't go anywhere else, and Second Chance would have caused continuity problems elsewhere). > 2) All of the stories then place the characters into different exciting > and life-changing situations; with many of them introducing new and well- > rounded characters... > 3) THEN at the end of the adventure, that is all forgotten as the NEXT > story > goes back to the default settings with no reference to the previous > adventure!!!! Not in my case - or in that of several others. There are a few series around in which the stories do follow on - a lot. > I know that you will say that the tv series is canonical etc. etc., but, > lets be honest, its VERY unlikely that there will ever BE a new tv > series. > > Therefore what I propose is this, Lets allow for the lack of new canon by > making up our OWN canon. It is surely possible to develop the TP timeline > to incorporate all our fan fiction and make a sort of definitive TP > "bible" which could go out to any new authors. > > If we did this, it would allow for character development, and the "new" > characters to become a part of everyone's universe!!! > > Please let me know what you think?? No Way! To be serious, I'll outline my objections to such an idea. The primary one is that I have plans for my characters and I have plans for my stories - very detailed plans in some cases. I know exactly what's going to happen in some cases, and I have at leat six stories already written in some form or another that haven't yet seen the list. I would be very annoyed if someone took my characters or tried to write a story in my series because they could seriously wreck a lot of work on my part. It would be different if they asked me first - I wouldn't object to someone else writing in 'A More Perfect Union' but it would need discussion to make sure what they wrote fit my ideas (or improved on them). Secondly - I don't have that much time for reading fanfiction. I do read everything that goes onto the list but sometimes it can take me a few months to do so. Therefore I can't maintain consistency with everyone elses work. Thirdly, I don't want to be limited by other peoples work or by the impact I might have on them. In my series, Mike and Hsui Tai are married and have a daughter - that's a fairly major thing and something other writers may not like. As an example of what I mean. On the Galactic Federation page there is a fic called "Exodus - Epilogue" by Ruby Red. That was written as an epilogue to my fanfic "Exodus". It totally contradicts the plans I have for my series. There's nothing wrong with it as a piece of writing. I like it. But it involves things I deliberately put into Exodus because I had later plans for them. You never know what a writer plans to do with any future stories and so if you take their stories and use their plots and characters you can damage those plans. That isn't a problem in my opinion as long as it is clear that your work has no place in their series, but is merely an 'alternative', but if there was some sort of assumption that you could do this at will, it could get very chaotic. Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Selma McCrory Subject: Re: TPDIS: Re: Fan Fiction Date: 04 Jan 1998 16:21:50 -0800 David wrote: [snip] >Therefore what I propose is this, Lets allow for the lack of new canon by >making up our OWN canon. It is surely possible to develop the TP timeline to >incorporate all our fan fiction and make a sort of definitive TP "bible" >which could go out to any new authors. > >If we did this, it would allow for character development, and the "new" >characters to become a part of everyone's universe!!! Ruby Red, Michele, Jez, and Shaun have all stated excellent reasons why this isn't a good idea. I just wanted to add a little of my own, regarding why such a mutual 'shared' universe isn't such a good idea. I'm one of three people who write "Tomorrow's Future". While Wendy, Kyrie, and I love bouncing ideas off of one another, sometimes keeping that coordinated is a nightmare (and we don't always pull it off). And that's only three people whose ideas don't differ all that wildly (although Kyrie would probably say that we do, we just don't know it). There's also a lot of behind-the-scenes coordination in Tomorrow's Future that people don't know about. Multiply that by a dozen or two authors, and you'd have a very bad situation - and, believe me, it's not something you'd like to be a part of. Something that would work, possibly, would be something like a 'virtual season' where a set of authors could work out a set of ground rules, a storyline, and so on. That would allow multiple authors to share characters and a goal in common, while one author wouldn't have to do all the work. And people could probably join that if they wanted to, but they shouldn't be forced if they wanted to write their own individual solo pieces. Just my two cents. Selma Selma McCrory * smccrory@calweb.com * stmccrory@hotmail.com "You're not a mouse. You're a cat. You don't need to help me move the cursor around." -me, to one of my cats. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Yates" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Re: Fan Fiction Date: 05 Jan 1998 00:40:03 -0000 >Ruby Red, Michele, Jez, and Shaun have all stated excellent reasons why >this isn't a good idea. OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry! I will peer above the trenches to add this one comment. I'm sorry if my idea offended anyone. The last thing I wanted to do was to stifle anyone's creativity. I suppose that I, as someone who hasn't posted a story, (though I DO have one or two in "production"!) shouldn't really comment on the excellent ones already written; but I really DO feel that this whole business of the majority of stories beginning with the default characters will become more and more silly as the years pass.! Perhaps I could suggest a compromise? Those authors who WISH to contribute to a pooled resource of ideas may do so, while the others continue to plough their own furrows???? David. (Diving for cover as the exocets fly!!!!!!!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bookwyrm@sprynet.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Re: Fan Fiction Date: 04 Jan 1998 17:16:03 -0800 >I'm sorry if my idea offended anyone. I don't think your idea offended anyone. It's actually been proposed a couple of different times by different people. The problem is that it's very difficult to sort out. As Selma mentioned (and as another TF author, I fully concur) there's *a lot* of behind-the-scenes stuff we do just to attempt to keep our universe internally consistent, and we still fail. And that's just the three of us. It really would be a nightmare to try to get a half-dozen or more other authors to agree on anything. >shouldn't really comment on the excellent ones already written; Please do comment! We all want to hear it. >but I really DO feel that this whole business of the majority of >stories beginning with the default characters will become more and more >silly as the years pass.! OOC, why? >Perhaps I could suggest a compromise? Do you think a compromise is really needed? It seems to me, IMO, that with five individual serials already in existence and several more that I know of being planned, that there's no need for authors to work out a compromise. Now, if other groups of authors wanted to get together to form their own serial, or if someone wanted to organize a virtual season, I'm all for it! I'd love details. I might even be interested in contibuting. Hypothetically speaking, if what you're really saying is that you want permission to use other people's original characters, then all I can suggest is to ask the author. He or she may be very flattered. For example, I do have plans for my original character Rachel Caplan. But if someone else wanted to borrow her for a story or three, I'd have no problem with it. So long as the other author cleared any life-changing ideas with me first. There's the separate issue of Rachel existing soley in the TF universe right now, but TF already has several non-TF-canon stories in it. ... Wendy bookwyrm@sprynet.com * http://www.xmission.com/~ladyslvr/ Listowner Tomorrow People Creative and Discussion Lists Asst. Listowner Sliders Creative & Discussion Lists at esosoft ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tzm" Subject: Re: TPDIS: A strange KS rumour Date: 04 Jan 1998 22:22:43 -0500 EWWW!!!. I would never enter a contest like that no matter how big a fan of Kristian's I am. That's totally disgusting IMHO. Tracey ---------- > 2) Would you enter such a contest - I think it might take being a fan a tad > too far for me (and I never thought I'd set limits on my TP fandom) > > Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how > Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears > / |that might turn out to be just what the > o=== ======================- |species needs.' > \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' > drednort@eisa.net.au | > http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hal Freeman Subject: Re: TPDIS: Re: Fan Fiction Date: 04 Jan 1998 22:31:29 -0600 David Yates wrote: > I have a question regarding TP Fan Fiction which I would appreciate > your > comments on:- > I have read most of the TP fiction on Wendy's list AND on the ESP > page; and > the problem I have with them is as follows: > 1) All of the stories begin with what I will call the "default > settings" [ie > they pick up the characters where the tv series left off.] Hello! Where have you been? Not all. "The Beginnings of it All" doesn't. I know, I beta read it! There are quite a few like that. Neither does "When the Past Catches up". Triptychon has two boys who have no relevancy to the series and they don't start with "default settings". And these "default settings" are what I like to call, writers doing the stories they way they were meant to be done! They are following the series and making these fics by the book! I'm not intending to being mean when I say this but when giving an opinion, never say "all". Give us names. All doesn't cut it. You know when you were told that everyone had a right to thier opinion, well it's bullpuckey! Everyone has a right to thier INFORMED opinion. Do your homework and then come back with this arguement. Obviously you haven't read too many of the stories or you would know this. > 2) All of the stories then place the characters into different > exciting and > life-changing situations; with many of them introducing new and > well-rounded > characters... > All is a HUGE no-no. Never say all. Never say always, never say anything absolute. There are always exceptions. Allow room for that in critiquing large masses of anything. Cows, paper bags, telepaths, etc.... This may seem a bit concieted, but I don't view my fic "Of Emails, Telepaths, Hackers, and Sanity". as having well rounded characters. Megan spends most of the latter half of the story angry, tired, or arguing. Tabitha spends it freaking out, and Chris spends it antagonising Megan. Jared is a bit well rounded. But _*IF*_ I do a sequel we will remove this "deflaw" (defect that comes from being flawless). Notice that he's a bit of a mercurial guy. One moment he's a nervous wreck, the next he's calm, the next he's jumping for joy, and then he's smart and witty. Call that well rounded, will ya?!?! Yes WTPCU does have a new charcter who seems pretty well rounded, but then again TP in general aren't really a rough breed of people, either. Besides, there is nothing wrong with being well rounded and notice that all of these characters have unique PERSONALITIES. You colour this as if people are making up monotonous characters that are like drones just to throw something in there. These people did *thier* homework > 3) THEN at the end of the adventure, that is all forgotten as the NEXT > story > goes back to the default settings with no reference to the previous > adventure!!!! > Okay, I know that the "R" trilogy is a little bit (microscopic level) guilty of it, but it is such a touching series that it doesn't really matter. Some times this happens, but cut the writers a little slack, they tried and sometimes those "default settings" make for great stories. Have you EVER written ANY fan fiction? Try it. What's this attack on the writers anyways? I happen to be one of those writers who write all of those stories that you say are always so boring, yet notice 300+ people read these things and love them completely! They must have done a lot right. Don't knock it 'til ya done it! > I know that you will say that the tv series is canonical etc. etc., > but, > lets be honest, its VERY unlikely that there will ever BE a new tv > series. > It could happen! Have a little more faith! Besides, with people like me, you never know exactly what's going to happen. We're called catalysts. We make things happen > Therefore what I propose is this, Lets allow for the lack of new canon > by > making up our OWN canon. It is surely possible to develop the TP > timeline to > incorporate all our fan fiction and make a sort of definitive TP > "bible" > which could go out to any new authors. > > If we did this, it would allow for character development, and the > "new" > characters to become a part of everyone's universe!!! > This is a good idea, but, there are so many contradictions from fic to fic. Besides, it's fun to make up new ideas. Having a "bible" sounds a bit restrictive. Besides, if we did make up our own cannons we'd have to study the former ones or we might as well invent our own series. So we can't break free of the series cannon. Also, this is an indirect insult to the writers of the new series. I think they did a good job with character development considering: 1)They were writing for 7-12 yr olds. I hate to say it but at that age character development isn't your first concern when watching your favourite TV programme. Have you ever seen a 10 year old kid sit down on a couch and say, "Where's the plot line? I don't see the conflict! Oh come on, he wouldn't have said that, he's supposed to be smart! At least that's the cannon! Where's the protagonist?!". They are concerned about seeing all those cute hearthrobs and girl they want to be just like. Or visa versa. Depending on the gender of the viewer. I know. I saw it through those eyes. 2)They're working for Nickelodeon. Nick isn't known for it's professionalism. It isn't know for superior plot lines, character development, conflict, or even make up of a story. They appeal to kids. They make things colourful and funny and bouncy. Any network that has and orange and green logo isn't expected to have superior dramatic children's series. > Please let me know what you think?? > You really want to know? > "Live long and prosper!" > DAVID. I'll make sure to. Same to you. Don't take this too badly. I'd do it to anyone. Besides, I'm doing so that you won't get into trouble by making this mistake with a greater evil than I. I really do think that it's good you've got an opinion. A little polishing and you could debate like a pro. Don't yell back. Don't stoop to my level. Megan. ******* If I didn't bother you, you'd feel neglected. -Bill Haworth Don't take it bad, don't worry about it You're a friend of mine and there's no way around it sometimes you get there early, sometimes you get there late but even if you had a chance you never knew the game -Duncan Shiek "Little Hands" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darryl Gillikin" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Re: Fan Fiction Date: 04 Jan 1998 23:48:05 PST >I have a question regarding TP Fan Fiction which I would appreciate your >comments on:- >I have read most of the TP fiction on Wendy's list AND on the ESP page; and >the problem I have with them is as follows: >1) All of the stories begin with what I will call the "default settings" [ie >they pick up the characters where the tv series left off.] >2) All of the stories then place the characters into different exciting and >life-changing situations; with many of them introducing new and well-rounded >characters... >3) THEN at the end of the adventure, that is all forgotten as the NEXT story >goes back to the default settings with no reference to the previous >adventure!!!! > >I know that you will say that the tv series is canonical etc. etc., but, >lets be honest, its VERY unlikely that there will ever BE a new tv series. > >Therefore what I propose is this, Lets allow for the lack of new canon by >making up our OWN canon. It is surely possible to develop the TP timeline to >incorporate all our fan fiction and make a sort of definitive TP "bible" >which could go out to any new authors. > >If we did this, it would allow for character development, and the "new" >characters to become a part of everyone's universe!!! > > >Please let me know what you think?? I think that this is all well and good... as a *branch* of fanfic, a la the Tomorrow's Future project, the Tapestry stories, or even the hardcopy fanzine idea that I had when I first joined the list. The problem I have with imposing this on the whole of TP fanfic is that it's pretty bloody egotistical, personally. The beauty of fanfic is that you can take the characters in question and play with them, and explore themes and subjects with them. If you start trying to weave every piece of TP fanfic into a coherent continuity, then you restrict the freedom that a potential TP fanfic author might have. Suppose s/he has a story they feeled compelled to tell, but it contradicts what another fanfic author has done. Then, this new story would never be seen. Not one of us on this list are the powers that be. We do not own the characters. We only play with them. Not one of us has the right to impose on the fandom one true timeline for the TP post Living Stones. This is not even to mention the nightmare that anyone would have trying to weave all the TP fanfic into one cohesive continuity. Their are bound to be contradictions within the stories themselves, as well as the eternal question of whether the old series and new series exist in the same universe as part of the same timeline (my personal opinion is no, but I doubt that there is a single answer that would please everyone). So, in answer to the question at hand: as an off-shoot of fanfic, establishing a post-Living Stones continuity is okay. But to do this to all fanfic would be wrong. Be seeing you, Darryl "I was dreaming. We were in Paris. You had a branding iron, and there were worms in my baguette..." Drusilla, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer: What's My Line? (part two)" "It's people like that that make you realize how little you've accomplished. It is a sobering thought, for instance, that when Mozart was my age, he had been dead for two years." Tom Lehrer, "That Was the Year that Was." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darryl Gillikin" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Re: Fan Fiction Date: 05 Jan 1998 01:49:39 PST >> I know that you will say that the tv series is canonical etc. etc., but, >> lets be honest, its VERY unlikely that there will ever BE a new tv series. > >Write to Pearson TV :) Is there anything we should know about? :) Be seeing you, Darryl "I was dreaming. We were in Paris. You had a branding iron, and there were worms in my baguette..." Drusilla, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer: What's My Line? (part two)" "It's people like that that make you realize how little you've accomplished. It is a sobering thought, for instance, that when Mozart was my age, he had been dead for two years." Tom Lehrer, "That Was the Year that Was." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tigger Subject: Re: TPDIS: A strange KS rumour Date: 05 Jan 1998 10:51:27 -0500 (CDT) >2) Would you enter such a contest - I think it might take being a fan a tad >too far for me (and I never thought I'd set limits on my TP fandom) Sure, right after they release NTSC copies of both series and don't split the five parters on two tapes. ;) (That's a no.:) Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Yates" Subject: TPDIS: Fan Fics...............A Surrender Date: 05 Jan 1998 21:46:05 -0000 Re: My proposition about fan fics. Once again I apologise for offending anyone. I obviously was not clear enough in what I meant. I meant NO CRITICISM of any existing stories. I certainly NEVER said that any of them were "boring" since I discovered this branch of the Internet I have downloaded most of the stories and have read them thoroughly. I am very aware that I have yet to post a story; I hope to do this soon. It was not the talent or ability of any of the writers that I was criticising.......simply the rules of the fan-fic convention. (What I said could equally apply to Star Trek, Star Wars etc. etc..) The difference here is that MOST of the other SCI-if genres that people really care about are still in production while The Tomorrow People isn't! I never intended any "pooled resource" to be compulsory or authoritative..... I didn't know that there was all this "behind the scenes" work going on already. Perhaps my idea is as unnecessary as it is unwelcome!!? PLEASE don't Flame me any more!!! The idea is withdrawn. "Live long and prosper!" DAVID. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hal Freeman Subject: TPDIS: Trig Question Date: 05 Jan 1998 16:08:25 -0600 I've got a small question about the Trig. How did the TP travel to the Trig? Did they teleport or did they go by space ship or what? People say, they went to the Trig, but how did they get there? It's bothering me because no where does it say how they got there, not on Dreadnaught's page, not on GFCH, not anywhere. I'm going nuts over here! Megan ******** "Yeah, we're teleporters and I'm Cleopatra." [Walk like an Egyptian] - Jill and Brenden "Choas Incognito, Power Impromptu" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tracey.dutton@cableinet.co.uk Subject: Re: TPDIS: Trig Question Date: 05 Jan 1998 22:39:28 +0000 Hal Freeman wrote: > > I've got a small question about the Trig. > > How did the TP travel to the Trig? Did they teleport or did they go by > space ship or what? People say, they went to the Trig, but how did they > get there? ...Some stories say it was a kind of transporter beam, I think. This was mentioned in the story where Tyso returned to the lab seperately from the rest, and was scolded by John for doing so. Tracey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeremy Rogers Subject: Re: TPDIS: Trig Question Date: 05 Jan 1998 22:47:30 GMT Hal Freeman asked: > I've got a small question about the Trig. > How did the TP travel to the Trig? Did they teleport or did they go by > space ship or what? People say, they went to the Trig, but how did they > get there? TPs went by transporter beam, Saps by Kalinar (flying saucer). Jez -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hal Freeman Subject: Re: TPDIS: Fan Fics...............A Surrender Date: 05 Jan 1998 16:47:34 -0600 > Perhaps my idea is as unnecessary as it is unwelcome!!? Perhaps unnecessary, but NEVER unwelcome. We like idea, maybe not thier context, but we do like ideas. That's how great stuff gets started, idead. So keep making idea, and keep telling us about them. You'll get a good one eventually. > > > PLEASE don't Flame me any more!!! The idea is withdrawn. > No need to surrender. This isn't a war, we can't wage wars, remember? I apologise if came off as being harsh. We weren't flaming. If we were there would be a great deal of difference in the amount of four letter words flying across the screen. That was called defending our work and others'. Mandi Ohlin especially. She's not here to stick up for "Senior Week" since she's too busy writing it. No need to withdraw the idea, just the critque. The idea if edited and worked with would be a great thing for fan fic writers. Maybe we should do thorough bios of the characters based on the show. That would go over nicely I think. We aren't attacking you, we're attacking the critque, Megan ****** When your work speaks for itself, shut up! - Bill Haworth "Yeah, we're teleporters, and I'm Cleopatra!" [Walk like an Egyptian] -Jill and Brenden "Chaos Incognito, Power Impromtu" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kasey Thompson" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Re: Fan Fiction Date: 05 Jan 1998 15:16:34 PST >David Yates wrote: > >> I have a question regarding TP Fan Fiction which I would appreciate >> your >> comments on:- >> I have read most of the TP fiction on Wendy's list AND on the ESP >> page; and >> the problem I have with them is as follows: >> 1) All of the stories begin with what I will call the "default >> settings" [ie >> they pick up the characters where the tv series left off.] > > Hello! Where have you been? > > Not all. "The Beginnings of it All" doesn't. I know, I beta read it! >There are quite a few like that. Neither does "When the Past Catches >up". Triptychon has two boys who have no relevancy to the series and >they don't start with "default settings". > > And these "default settings" are what I like to call, writers doing >the stories they way they were meant to be done! They are following the >series and making these fics by the book! > > I'm not intending to being mean when I say this but when giving an >opinion, never say "all". Give us names. All doesn't cut it. You know >when you were told that everyone had a right to thier opinion, well it's >bullpuckey! Everyone has a right to thier INFORMED opinion. Do your >homework and then come back with this arguement. Obviously you haven't >read too many of the stories or you would know this. Okay, I agree with you here about the "all" thing but I honestly don't think David meant "all" when he wrote it. Perhaps he was merely generalizing. When debating, precise statements are necessary but I don't think he was debating. He never writes that this is the way it *should* be. He simply wrote what he thought and asked for reactions. David? >> 2) All of the stories then place the characters into different >> exciting and >> life-changing situations; with many of them introducing new and >> well-rounded >> characters... >> > > All is a HUGE no-no. Never say all. Never say always, never say >anything absolute. There are always exceptions. Allow room for that in >critiquing large masses of anything. Cows, paper bags, telepaths, >etc.... See above. :-) [snip] >> 3) THEN at the end of the adventure, that is all forgotten as the NEXT >> story >> goes back to the default settings with no reference to the previous >> adventure!!!! >> > >Okay, I know that the "R" trilogy is a little bit (microscopic level) >guilty of it, but it is such a touching series that it doesn't really >matter. Some times this happens, but cut the writers a little slack, >they tried and sometimes those "default settings" make for great >stories. Have you EVER written ANY fan fiction? Try it. > > What's this attack on the writers anyways? I happen to be one of those >writers who write all of those stories that you say are always so >boring, yet notice 300+ people read these things and love them >completely! They must have done a lot right. Don't knock it 'til ya done >it! Whoa! Slow down there, girl. I've been following this thread since it started and David never attacks any writers. He bravely gave his opinion and did so with politeness and tact. BTW. David doesn't say the stories are boring. He does say the default settings would eventually become silly but states quite clearly that most of the stories are excellent. Please don't put words in his mouth. [snip] >> Therefore what I propose is this, Lets allow for the lack of new canon >> by >> making up our OWN canon. It is surely possible to develop the TP >> timeline to >> incorporate all our fan fiction and make a sort of definitive TP >> "bible" >> which could go out to any new authors. >> >> If we did this, it would allow for character development, and the >> "new" >> characters to become a part of everyone's universe!!! >> > >This is a good idea, but, there are so many contradictions from fic to >fic. Besides, it's fun to make up new ideas. Having a "bible" sounds a >bit restrictive. Besides, if we did make up our own cannons we'd have to >study the former ones or we might as well invent our own series. So we >can't break free of the series cannon. Also, this is an indirect insult >to the writers of the new series. I think they did a good job with >character development considering: > >1)They were writing for 7-12 yr olds. I hate to say it but at that age >character development isn't your first concern when watching your >favourite TV programme. Have you ever seen a 10 year old kid sit down on >a couch and say, "Where's the plot line? I don't see the conflict! Oh >come on, he wouldn't have said that, he's supposed to be smart! At least >that's the cannon! Where's the protagonist?!". They are concerned about >seeing all those cute hearthrobs and girl they want to be just like. Or >visa versa. Depending on the gender of the viewer. I know. I saw it >through those eyes. > >2)They're working for Nickelodeon. Nick isn't known for it's >professionalism. It isn't know for superior plot lines, character >development, conflict, or even make up of a story. They appeal to kids. >They make things colourful and funny and bouncy. Any network that has >and orange and green logo isn't expected to have superior dramatic >children's series. So...the color and design of the logo dictates what kind of programming it has? Shall we discuss the PBS logo for a minute. What kind of silly programming must this network have? >> Please let me know what you think?? >> > >cYou really want to know? Be nice. Be nice. >> "Live long and prosper!" >> DAVID. > >I'll make sure to. Same to you. Don't take this too badly. I'd do it to >anyone. Besides, I'm doing so that you won't get into trouble by making >this mistake with a greater evil than I. I really do think that it's >good you've got an opinion. A little polishing and you could debate like >a pro. > >Don't yell back. Don't stoop to my level. >Megan. I'm not yelling. All in all, I feel David put out an idea, an opinion, for us all to chew on and think about. I don't think he was looking for a debate, merely feedback. What would the world be like if we all thought the same? We need someone to shake things up a bit now and then to help us maintain our own focus. Personally, I don't agree with David's views and like things the way they are but I do thank him for presenting them to the group. Kasey " The name's Jack Dawkins but I'm known by me more intimate of acquaintances as the Artful Dodger." -Charles Dickens, "Oliver Twist" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hal Freeman Subject: Re: TPDIS: Re: Fan Fiction Date: 05 Jan 1998 17:43:16 -0600 Kasey Thompson wrote: > >David Yates wrote: > > > >> I have a question regarding TP Fan Fiction which I would appreciate > > >> your > >> comments on:- > >> I have read most of the TP fiction on Wendy's list AND on the ESP > >> page; and > >> the problem I have with them is as follows: > >> 1) All of the stories begin with what I will call the "default > >> settings" [ie > >> they pick up the characters where the tv series left off.] > > > > Hello! Where have you been? > > > > Not all. "The Beginnings of it All" doesn't. I know, I beta read > it! > >There are quite a few like that. Neither does "When the Past Catches > >up". Triptychon has two boys who have no relevancy to the series and > > >they don't start with "default settings". > > > > And these "default settings" are what I like to call, writers doing > > >the stories they way they were meant to be done! They are following > the > >series and making these fics by the book! > > > > I'm not intending to being mean when I say this but when giving an > >opinion, never say "all". Give us names. All doesn't cut it. You know > > >when you were told that everyone had a right to thier opinion, well > it's > >bullpuckey! Everyone has a right to thier INFORMED opinion. Do your > >homework and then come back with this arguement. Obviously you > haven't > >read too many of the stories or you would know this. > > Okay, I agree with you here about the "all" thing but I honestly don't > > think David meant "all" when he wrote it. Perhaps he was merely > generalizing. When debating, precise statements are necessary but I > don't think he was debating. He never writes that this is the way it > *should* be. He simply wrote what he thought and asked for reactions. > > David? Now he knows. Perhaps a bit more forcefully than was necessary, but he knows. I do think that he meant all, or at least his version of it. We have a terrible tendency in society to say "all" and get away with it. What if I said "All Australians love veggimite". Then I would get over 1000 flames from Australians who are allergic or hate veggimite. However if I said "Many Australians love veggimite" then I wouldn't get flames. Or another example "All science fiction books are about the same things", I would be viciously attacked by the combined forces of every Trekkie, and other assorted sci-fi fan. They would come in mobs and beat me senseless. However if I were to say "The Rowan, Damia, Lyon's Pride, and Psiclops are about the same things" then intelligent, interested, intellectual conversations would be underway and I would recieve many e-mails about my valued opinion. > >> 2) All of the stories then place the characters into different > >> exciting and > >> life-changing situations; with many of them introducing new and > >> well-rounded > >> characters... > >> > > > > All is a HUGE no-no. Never say all. Never say always, never say > >anything absolute. There are always exceptions. Allow room for that > in > >critiquing large masses of anything. Cows, paper bags, telepaths, > >etc.... > > See above. :-) > > [snip] ??? > > > >> 3) THEN at the end of the adventure, that is all forgotten as the > NEXT > >> story > >> goes back to the default settings with no reference to the previous > > >> adventure!!!! > >> > > > >Okay, I know that the "R" trilogy is a little bit (microscopic level) > > >guilty of it, but it is such a touching series that it doesn't really > > >matter. Some times this happens, but cut the writers a little slack, > >they tried and sometimes those "default settings" make for great > >stories. Have you EVER written ANY fan fiction? Try it. > > > > What's this attack on the writers anyways? I happen to be one of > those > >writers who write all of those stories that you say are always so > >boring, yet notice 300+ people read these things and love them > >completely! They must have done a lot right. Don't knock it 'til ya > done > >it! > > Whoa! Slow down there, girl. I've been following this thread since it > > started and David never attacks any writers. He bravely gave his > opinion and did so with politeness and tact. BTW. David doesn't say > the > stories are boring. He does say the default settings would eventually > > become silly but states quite clearly that most of the stories are > excellent. Please don't put words in his mouth. > > [snip] - Little snippity aren't we? [2/3rds of a pun (P.U.)] > By attacking the stories, he attacked the writers and thier work. Perhaps he didn't attack, merely critique. > >> Therefore what I propose is this, Lets allow for the lack of new > canon > >> by > >> making up our OWN canon. It is surely possible to develop the TP > >> timeline to > >> incorporate all our fan fiction and make a sort of definitive TP > >> "bible" > >> which could go out to any new authors. > >> > >> If we did this, it would allow for character development, and the > >> "new" > >> characters to become a part of everyone's universe!!! > >> > > > >This is a good idea, but, there are so many contradictions from fic > to > >fic. Besides, it's fun to make up new ideas. Having a "bible" sounds > a > >bit restrictive. Besides, if we did make up our own cannons we'd have > > to > >study the former ones or we might as well invent our own series. So > we > >can't break free of the series cannon. Also, this is an indirect > insult > >to the writers of the new series. I think they did a good job with > >character development considering: > > > >1)They were writing for 7-12 yr olds. I hate to say it but at that > age > >character development isn't your first concern when watching your > >favourite TV programme. Have you ever seen a 10 year old kid sit down > > on > >a couch and say, "Where's the plot line? I don't see the conflict! Oh > > >come on, he wouldn't have said that, he's supposed to be smart! At > least > >that's the cannon! Where's the protagonist?!". They are concerned > about > >seeing all those cute hearthrobs and girl they want to be just like. > Or > >visa versa. Depending on the gender of the viewer. I know. I saw it > >through those eyes. > > > >2)They're working for Nickelodeon. Nick isn't known for it's > >professionalism. It isn't know for superior plot lines, character > >development, conflict, or even make up of a story. They appeal to > kids. > >They make things colourful and funny and bouncy. Any network that has > > >and orange and green logo isn't expected to have superior dramatic > >children's series. > > So...the color and design of the logo dictates what kind of > programming > it has? No. It was meant to say that anyone with that tacky of a logo isn't *EXPECTED* to have superior programming. It didn't say it didn't, I just said it wasn't expected to. > Shall we discuss the PBS logo for a minute. What kind of silly > programming must this network have? > I like the PBS logo thank you, and it is colour co-ordinated! Okay, so they run Sesame Street and Ghostwriter. But let us not forget that children *learn* from those programmes. What could one learn from "Salute Your Shorts", "Space Cases", and "Are you Afraid of the Dark"? Aside from the true colour of CS's eyes. Perhaps a few lessons in right and wrong, but nothing they don't already now. The differences are in the purposes of the silliness. One exists to educate, one exists for ratings. > >> Please let me know what you think?? > >> > > > >cYou really want to know? > > Be nice. Be nice. > I was. Sort of. I could have got worse. > >> "Live long and prosper!" > >> DAVID. > > > >I'll make sure to. Same to you. Don't take this too badly. I'd do it > to > >anyone. Besides, I'm doing so that you won't get into trouble by > making > >this mistake with a greater evil than I. I really do think that it's > >good you've got an opinion. A little polishing and you could debate > like > >a pro. > > > >Don't yell back. Don't stoop to my level. > >Megan. > > I'm not yelling. I know you're not. I was merely stating that if he did get angry that I requested he not scream back and go as low as I had in saying what I said. > All in all, I feel David put out an idea, an opinion, > for us all to chew on and think about. I don't think he was looking > for > a debate, merely feedback. What would the world be like if we all > thought the same? > We need someone to shake things up a bit now and then > to help us maintain our own focus. Case in Point- Having Jefferson and Hamilton in the Cabinet. Those two fought over everything. Washington had them so that he would get all POV's. > > Personally, I don't agree with > David's views and like things the way they are but I do thank him for > presenting them to the group. > I do to. I like it when people put something out that stirs up intrest. Yes, and I think it is good to mix things up with a hint of controversy and diversity. From time to time and good solid correction can be a theraputic thing. It keeps one on the straight and narrow. > Kasey Well, I guess if one corrects, one gets corrected. Thank You. Megan ***** I smell a rat! -Patrick Henry Go look at the lake please, go look at the sky Go look at a baby, we're all gonna die -Shawn Colvin "84,000 Different Delusions" A Few Small Repairs. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darryl Gillikin" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Fan Fics...............A Surrender Date: 05 Jan 1998 15:53:14 PST >> Perhaps my idea is as unnecessary as it is unwelcome!!? > >Perhaps unnecessary, but NEVER unwelcome. We like idea, maybe not thier >context, but we do like ideas. That's how great stuff gets started, >idead. So keep making idea, and keep telling us about them. You'll get a >good one eventually. > >> PLEASE don't Flame me any more!!! The idea is withdrawn. >> > > No need to surrender. This isn't a war, we can't wage wars, remember? >I apologise if came off as being harsh. > > We weren't flaming. If we were there would be a great deal of >difference in the amount of four letter words flying across the screen. Your original post really *wasn't* all that removed from a flame. There was a fair amount of condescension in your rhetoric. Even in this post, with your comment: "So keep making ideas, and keep telling us about them. You'll get a good one eventually." That last line is particularly patronizing. Flames don't require four letter words, merely personal attacks. I spend most of my spare time in the rec.arts.drwho newsgroup. Believe me, I *KNOW* what a flame is! :) >That was called defending our work and others'. Works that weren't really attacked. I'll address that more later. >Mandi Ohlin especially. >She's not here to stick up for "Senior Week" since she's too busy >writing it. > > No need to withdraw the idea, just the critque. A critique that wasn't there. David outlined a pattern that he had seen in the fanfic that he had read. It was an observation, not a critique. Nowhere did he evaluate the merits of the stories, or really even the flaws of the formula that was presenting itself. He merely pointed out that this formula was there, and that there might be another way to go about things. Indeed, when he did make judgement statements concerning TP fanfic, they were generally positive. ("Excellent stories", "well-rounded characters", that sort of thing.) >The idea if edited and >worked with would be a great thing for fan fic writers. Maybe we should >do thorough bios of the characters based on the show. That would go over >nicely I think. > >We aren't attacking you, we're attacking the critque, >Megan Again, a critique that wasn't there. Alot of what was attack in your original post was material that you extrapolated from his original post. As two people (David himself being one of them) have pointed out, he never attacked the stories on the Galacgtic Fed or ESP page as boring. With the exception of the format that many seemed to take, his words were more on the glowing side as they were anything else. I'd like to apologize if *this* post is a little on the flame side. I admit to having a temper that comes out at times when it shouldn't. Still, while I disagreed with David's position, it didn't warrant the sort of attack that it received. Be seeing you, Darryl "I was dreaming. We were in Paris. You had a branding iron, and there were worms in my baguette..." Drusilla, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer: What's My Line? (part two)" "It's people like that that make you realize how little you've accomplished. It is a sobering thought, for instance, that when Mozart was my age, he had been dead for two years." Tom Lehrer, "That Was the Year that Was." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michele R Mason Subject: TPDIS: TP Fan Fic...Can we end this here? Date: 05 Jan 1998 19:39:42 -0500 I've been following the thread that came from David's original message, and I have to say-- can we stop this here? David's latest post shows that he clearly meant no harm-- he simply wanted to suggest a universe in which all the fan fic writers could work; a universe that all the readers could follow and appreciate; somewhere along the line, someone suggested a "virtual season" of TP fic, and I think that this is an excellent idea. It would allow writers to sort through and create a universe and work within it and I think that it would be worth reading and writing (although I don't think I'll volunteer my services--I've already bitten off more than I can chew of late). Many shows fan fic writers have done this-- Highlander, SeaQuest, Space Above and Beyond to name a few. If anyone wants to do this, I think that you should. We're here to encourage fan fic and cooperation, right? Sorry if my post sounds a little snippity, I've had a long day :) Michele _________________________________________ "A dream is the answer to a question we haven't yet learned how to ask." ---Dana Scully, the X-Files ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tigger Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP Fan Fic...Can we end this here? Date: 05 Jan 1998 18:43:44 -0500 (CDT) 'Chele wrote: >I've been following the thread that came from David's original message, and >I have to say-- can we stop this here? All I have to say is: I agree 250%. Let's drop the subject and find something more fun to talk about. Like.... Ok, I can think of two things, but that's a different post. :) Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tigger Subject: TPDIS: YKYBW*W*TMTPW.... Date: 05 Jan 1998 18:45:29 -0500 (CDT) ....you and your roommate are hauling a very large heavy cart with her computer on it (lucky) when you start joking about the advantages of TK and matter transporters. (John wouldn't understand, but Liz and TIM would.) .....the dry erase tiles (Carleton's dorms are funky) outside your door indicate that your room is the TP lab. Doubly so if the "TP" is the stylized logo from the AE suits. Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Latimer84 Subject: Re: TPDIS: YKYBW*W*TMTPW.... Date: 05 Jan 1998 19:50:26 EST You know you watch *wwwwwaaaaayyyy* too much Tomorrow People when youi get into a flame war on a mailing list about the continuity of fan fiction. -Geoff, ducking flying objects ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SapphireSky Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP Fan Fic...Can we end this here? Date: 06 Jan 1998 00:27:36 -0400 > 'Chele wrote: > >I've been following the thread that came from David's original message, and > >I have to say-- can we stop this here? > All I have to say is: I agree 250%. Let's drop the subject and find something > more fun to talk about. > Like.... Ok, I can think of two things, but that's a different post. :) > Tigger > I couldn't agree more. David's original post was merely making suggestions as to what he thought would be an interesting idea. We have some disagreements, and that's fine. But please don't start flaming each other. Members of the next stage in human evolution should be more mature than that! So let's all :), say any necessary I'm sorries, and move on. Rachel with an E :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeremy Rogers Subject: Re: TPDIS: Re: Fan Fiction Date: 06 Jan 1998 19:57:47 GMT Hal Freeman contains these words: > Also, this is an indirect insult > to the writers of the new series. I think they did a good job with > character development considering: > 1)They were writing for 7-12 yr olds. I hate to say it but at that age > character development isn't your first concern when watching your > favourite TV programme. Have you ever seen a 10 year old kid sit down on > a couch and say, "Where's the plot line? I don't see the conflict! Oh > come on, he wouldn't have said that, he's supposed to be smart! At least > that's the cannon! Where's the protagonist?!". They are concerned about > seeing all those cute hearthrobs and girl they want to be just like. Or > visa versa. Depending on the gender of the viewer. I know. I saw it > through those eyes. The age group the new series was written for was 9-13. A successful children's show needs to be appealing on many levels, and to last any length of time requires the audience to have sympathy with the characters, and a well-written show would get much of that out of character development to keep the programme fresh. Children deserve drama to be every bit the same quality as made for adults. > 2)They're working for Nickelodeon. Nick isn't known for it's > professionalism. It isn't know for superior plot lines, character > development, conflict, or even make up of a story. They appeal to kids. > They make things colourful and funny and bouncy. Any network that has > and orange and green logo isn't expected to have superior dramatic > children's series. Nickelodeon really had a rather minor role in the production of the series as it went on; after all it only provided a fraction of the budget with the rest coming from ITV through Vanessa Chapman at the ITV Network Centre. Although discussions took place before each series with senior executives of Nickelodeon relating to the basic plotline, and suggestions were made (mostly silly from what I've heard of them), the programme was made unsupervised by Tetra, with some advice available from Roger Price. It was then checked by Central to meet the Programme Code of the UK Independent Television Commission. From what I saw of the Nickelodeon transmissions, they didn't even show it at the correct aspect ratio. Jez -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AmyH3x4 Subject: TPDIS: TP sighting (yet another one) Date: 06 Jan 1998 15:58:08 EST Okay, I was sitting in English and my teacher was showing us this really bad British version of the play Antigone. And then I noticed that one of the guys in the Chorus had a really distinctive/famaliar voice. It was Tate! You know, one of those weird bad guys in Rameses? Anyways, he was one of the 2 main Chorus guys, but the entire Chorus was made of at least 30 old guys. They'd speak lines from the play, and then walk around and make funny shapes (usually they'd form a circle, but sometimes it was a 5-sided star, box, or two lines surrounding Creon). He looks pretty much the same, except for he had a lot more hair, and it was browner. And sure enough, he was listed in the credits as Robert Lang. Amy :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darryl Gillikin" Subject: TPDIS: Nickelodeon and the budget (was Re: Fan Fiction) Date: 06 Jan 1998 15:04:10 PST Jez wrote: >Hal Freeman contains these words: [snip] >> 2)They're working for Nickelodeon. Nick isn't known for it's >> professionalism. It isn't know for superior plot lines, character >> development, conflict, or even make up of a story. They appeal to kids. >> They make things colourful and funny and bouncy. Any network that has >> and orange and green logo isn't expected to have superior dramatic >> children's series. > >Nickelodeon really had a rather minor role in the production of the >series as it went on; after all it only provided a fraction of the >budget with the rest coming from ITV through Vanessa Chapman at the >ITV Network Centre. Although discussions took place before each >series with senior executives of Nickelodeon relating to the basic >plotline, and suggestions were made (mostly silly from what I've >heard of them), the programme was made unsupervised by Tetra, with >some advice available from Roger Price. It was then checked by >Central to meet the Programme Code of the UK Independent >Television Commission. Hmm, this intrigues me. I seem to remember reading somewhere that at least part of the reason the show was cancelled after Nick pulled out had to do with ITV not be able to afford it if it wasn't a co-production. However, if Nickelodeon's monetary contribution was minor, then why couldn't ITV/Tetra/whoever just continue on with a slight decrease in the budget? Low ratings on ITV? I thought the UK ratings were fairly good. Am I completely off base here? You have more insider info than I do, Jez. Set me straight if any of this is inaccurate. Be seeing you, Darryl "I was dreaming. We were in Paris. You had a branding iron, and there were worms in my baguette..." Drusilla, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer: What's My Line? (part two)" "It's people like that that make you realize how little you've accomplished. It is a sobering thought, for instance, that when Mozart was my age, he had been dead for two years." Tom Lehrer, "That Was the Year that Was." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: arpitp@juno.com Subject: TPDIS: ykybwtmtpw... Date: 06 Jan 1998 20:38:14 +0000 ...the only thing you pick up out of the entire chapter of your history book chapter is the sentence "Colonel Cobb, another Choctaw chief, expressed similiar feelings." --Ariana "If I was telepathic, if I could teleport, it would be the dream of my life come true!" -Megabyte Damon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: TPDIS: YKYBWTMTPW . . . Date: 07 Jan 1998 10:02:44 +1100 You've been working on a fanfic for the last week and just when you are about to send it off to be beta-read, someone else's fanfic with an identical theme and which is almost identical in nature appears on the list, thus proving the existence of list telepathy! Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tigger Subject: Re: TPDIS: YKYBWTMTPW . . . Date: 07 Jan 1998 13:53:41 -0500 (CDT) >You've been working on a fanfic for the last week and just when you are >about to send it off to be beta-read, someone else's fanfic with an >identical theme and which is almost identical in nature appears on the >list, thus proving the existence of list telepathy! So what's it like when you're planning something and something darn similar comes on before you even have a chance to write it. Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeremy Rogers Subject: Re: TPDIS: Nickelodeon and the budget (was Re: Fan Fiction) Date: 07 Jan 1998 20:34:04 GMT "Darryl Gillikin" wrote: > Hmm, this intrigues me. I seem to remember reading somewhere that at > least part of the reason the show was cancelled after Nick pulled out > had to do with ITV not be able to afford it if it wasn't a > co-production. However, if Nickelodeon's monetary contribution was > minor, then why couldn't ITV/Tetra/whoever just continue on with a > slight decrease in the budget? Low ratings on ITV? I thought the UK > ratings were fairly good. > Am I completely off base here? You have more insider info than I do, > Jez. What you say would seem fair assumption from what was said publically, but what the ITV Network Centre and Tetra told me privately revealed it to be much more complicated. Unfortunately since I was told the information strictly off the record I don't feel I can reveal much even now. The UK ratings were very good; the miniseries got the highest children's TVRs of 1992, and the latter series performed very well too. Although I have said that Nickelodeon was only a fractional funder, the overall budget was very large for a children's programme (it was supposedly the second most expensive UK children's programme ever at the time it was made, behind Stanley's Dragon). It still amazes me that Nickelodeon chose to more or less bury the last series. Jez -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hal Freeman Subject: Re: TPDIS: YKYBWTMTPW . . . Date: 07 Jan 1998 15:13:32 -0600 Shaun Hately wrote: > You've been working on a fanfic for the last week and just when you > are > about to send it off to be beta-read, someone else's fanfic with an > identical theme and which is almost identical in nature appears on the > > list, thus proving the existence of list telepathy! > Don't you just hate when that happens? You've got the greatest idea and then somebody gets to it a split second before you can act on it. Imagine what the Tomorrow People must feel like. At least we know it wasn't deliberate. They have the shadow of a doubt that maybe the idea was stolen. Especially if it's John or Adam in suspicion because they're the most powerful IMHO. How bizarre, Megan ***** Hey, Hey, Little girl, keep dancing 'cause there's not enough time in the world to keep you here. -Tonic "Soldier's Daughter" Lemon Parade ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tigger Subject: TPDIS: telepathic idea sharing (was: YKYBWTMTPW....) Date: 07 Jan 1998 15:34:40 -0500 (CDT) Megan wrote: >At least we know it >wasn't deliberate. They have the shadow of a doubt that maybe the idea >was stolen. Especially if it's John or Adam in suspicion because they're >the most powerful IMHO. Except of course that both John and Adam are too moral to do such a thing! I am surprised there weren't more instances of two or three tp's getting the same idea at once. Then again, after season 2, they didn't have a Sap to explain things to, so the youngest TP had to fulfil that function. Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hal Freeman Subject: Re: TPDIS: telepathic idea sharing (was: YKYBWTMTPW....) Date: 07 Jan 1998 16:08:46 -0600 Tigger wrote: > Megan wrote: > >At least we know it > >wasn't deliberate. They have the shadow of a doubt that maybe the > idea > >was stolen. Especially if it's John or Adam in suspicion because > they're > >the most powerful IMHO. > Except of course that both John and Adam are too moral to do such a > thing! > > I dunno. I'm not doubting that they aren't both very moral guys, but sometimes temptation gets the better of us. We're human, they're 1/2 TP, 1/2 monkey with a posable thumb. No offense to any monkeys on this list. Really, I wouldn't insult monkeys, my sister is one! Megan ***** Serena, in an effort to avoid the things that annoy you you hide far, far away and life just passes you by -Duncan Shiek "Serena" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darryl Gillikin" Subject: TPDIS: Taking Wendy's Bait Date: 08 Jan 1998 23:11:17 PST >Now, if other groups of authors wanted to get together to >form their own serial, or if someone wanted to organize a virtual >season, I'm all for it! I'd love details. I might even be >interested >in contibuting. He he he. Some of you on the list know that I'm running serious danger of stretching myself too thin, with two other major fanish projects in the works. But I can't resist this... If anyone out there is interested in contributing to a virtual fourth season of new series TP, please drop me an e-mail (tpwannabe@hotmail.com). Once I have an idea of how many people would be interested in contributing stories, I'll send out more detailed information and guidelines. Any takers? Be seeing you, Darryl "I was dreaming. We were in Paris. You had a branding iron, and there were worms in my baguette..." Drusilla, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer: What's My Line? (part two)" "It's people like that that make you realize how little you've accomplished. It is a sobering thought, for instance, that when Mozart was my age, he had been dead for two years." Tom Lehrer, "That Was the Year that Was." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michele R Mason Subject: Re: TPDIS: Taking Wendy's Bait Date: 09 Jan 1998 08:37:56 -0500 At 11:11 PM 1/8/98 PST, you wrote: >>Now, if other groups of authors wanted to get together to >>form their own serial, or if someone wanted to organize a virtual >>season, I'm all for it! I'd love details. I might even be >interested >>in contibuting. >Some of you on the list know that I'm running serious danger of >stretching myself too thin, with two other major fanish projects in the >works. But I can't resist this... Biting off more than I chew, my favorite hobby. I know that feeling. >If anyone out there is interested in contributing to a virtual fourth >season of new series TP, please drop me an e-mail >(tpwannabe@hotmail.com). Once I have an idea of how many people would >be interested in contributing stories, I'll send out more detailed >information and guidelines. > >Any takers? I'm going to bite on this one. I love to be overworked and overloaded...'sides, it sounds like fun! Michele _________________________________________ "A dream is the answer to a question we haven't yet learned how to ask." ---Dana Scully, the X-Files ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SapphireSky Subject: Re: TPDIS: Taking Wendy's Bait Date: 09 Jan 1998 16:21:41 -0400 > At 11:11 PM 1/8/98 PST, you wrote: > >>Now, if other groups of authors wanted to get together to > >>form their own serial, or if someone wanted to organize a virtual > >>season, I'm all for it! I'd love details. I might even be >interested > >>in contibuting. > >Some of you on the list know that I'm running serious danger of > >stretching myself too thin, with two other major fanish projects in the > >works. But I can't resist this... > Biting off more than I chew, my favorite hobby. I know that feeling. > > >If anyone out there is interested in contributing to a virtual fourth > >season of new series TP, please drop me an e-mail > >(tpwannabe@hotmail.com). Once I have an idea of how many people would > >be interested in contributing stories, I'll send out more detailed > >information and guidelines. > > > >Any takers? > I'm going to bite on this one. I love to be overworked and > overloaded...'sides, it sounds like fun! > > Michele I'd do it some too. Aside from the obvious, a fourth season is the dream of my life come true! Rachel with an E :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: arpitp@juno.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: A strange KS rumour Date: 09 Jan 1998 22:18:32 +0000 Shaun wrote: > 2) Would you enter such a contest - I think it might take being a fan a tad > too far for me (and I never thought I'd set limits on my TP fandom) yeah, sure, i'd do it. wouldn't it be kewl to have it sitting on a jar or something on a shelf? and you could say to everyone who came in "you know Adam on the TP?" "no" "well, that's his appendix". --Ariana "If I was telepathic, if I could teleport, it would be the dream of my life come true!" -Megabyte Damon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hal Freeman Subject: Re: TPDIS: A strange KS rumour Date: 09 Jan 1998 23:56:40 -0600 arpitp@juno.com wrote: > Shaun wrote: > > 2) Would you enter such a contest - I think it might take being a > fan a > tad > > too far for me (and I never thought I'd set limits on my TP fandom) > > yeah, sure, i'd do it. wouldn't it be kewl to have it sitting on a > jar > or something on a shelf? and you could say to everyone who came in > "you > know Adam on the TP?" "no" "well, that's his appendix". > > --Ariana > GROSS! BTW, how would they get a hold of KS's internal organs in the first place and how do they contest winners know that it's *HIS* appendix? I mean I don't think that KS would sell his body parts. If he didn't take it home himself, then the hospital would have disposed of it with all of the other useless amputated organs, limbs, hearts, livers, kidneys, etc... I might enter a contest like that if one or both of two things happened: 1) I was drunk, high, or on heavy medication 2) I was truly that obsessed with him. I'm not. I might do it for CT's but not KS's. However if KS did take his organ home and somebody stole it imagine the lost ad: Stolen: One Appendix. In jar with formeldahyde. Reward: 20$. Please call 555-6654 or contact Adam telepathically. Imagine the police Report: Victim reported one appendix missing. It was stolen late last night around 11:30. It is in a blue jar with perservation fluids. Victim says "I couldn't teleport in time to catch him." Suspects: None. Oh Gosh! I can just think of all the possible spoofs from this. The fic is in my head swimming in there. Gimme a break, Gimme a break, break me off a piece of Kristian Schmid! Megan ****** "_That_ was _strange_." - Jill Generation: Tomorrow (Yes the fic is coming soon.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: TPDIS: Poor little Stephen Date: 10 Jan 1998 21:34:20 +1100 Is it just me or is poor Stephen really treated very badly in "The Doomsday Men." First of all, there are numerous examples of John being mean to him. He yells at him for jaunting back to the Lab after he is tied up and placed outside in the cold. He accuses him of eating too much. He tells him that he is unfit and a pig. He makes his food disappear while Stephen is in the middle of eating it, and sends him back to Glen College. Even Elizabeth isn't very fair to him. She first of all describes him as looking 'sweet' in the kilt, which is something no teenage boy would ever want to be called. And she really lays into him when she accuses John and Stephen of treating the Saps as less than human, and being stuck up about their special powers, even though John was the person who made the comment that set her off, Stephen gets told off just as much. To make it worse, Stephen has to wear that kilt, is forced to go on cross country runs, eat cold porridge with salt on it, experience draughty conditions, and is knocked out in the course of the serial. I'm beginning to wonder if being a TP is all that fun! Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tigger Subject: Re: TPDIS: Poor little Stephen Date: 10 Jan 1998 11:37:43 -0600 (CST) >Is it just me or is poor Stephen really treated very badly in "The Doomsday >Men." I've been telling you this for a year now! >Even Elizabeth isn't very fair to him. She first of all describes him as >looking 'sweet' in the kilt, which is something no teenage boy would ever >want to be called. Yes, but does Liz know this? I always thought she wsa trying to cheer him up-- just failing miserably. >And she really lays into him when she accuses John and >Stephen of treating the Saps as less than human, and being stuck up about >their special powers, even though John was the person who made the comment >that set her off, Stephen gets told off just as much. Well, he's not disagreeing with John, is he? Then again, she is a little too harsh on him. Would Mike have gotten the same lecture? I doubt it (it's true, parents do mellow out on the younger children). >I'm beginning to wonder if being a TP is all that fun! Well, it's not that fun all the time. But you have to realize that everything has its down side. Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jane Starr Subject: Re: TPDIS: Poor little Stephen Date: 10 Jan 1998 12:21:51 -0700 At 09:34 PM 1/10/98 +1100, Shaun wrote: >Is it just me or is poor Stephen really treated very badly in "The Doomsday >Men." > >First of all, there are numerous examples of John being mean to him. He >yells at him for jaunting back to the Lab after he is tied up and placed >outside in the cold. Stephen was supposed to be doing a job. An important job. Which could have been irreparably jeapordized by Stephen's action. Well, he's only a kid, really, and kids don't have the best judgement in these things, but I think John was justified in this. >He accuses him of eating too much. He tells him that >he is unfit and a pig. He makes his food disappear while Stephen is in the >middle of eating it, and sends him back to Glen College. Well, I read some of that as teasing, but some of it was Stephen slacking off the job he was trusted to do again. How many times in that episode did he pop back to Glen College and someone said "Oh, Jameson, I was just looking for you." Absences get noticed, and it could have been pretty hard to explain. >Even Elizabeth isn't very fair to him. She first of all describes him as >looking 'sweet' in the kilt, which is something no teenage boy would ever >want to be called. It's called teasing :) At least she didn't do it in front of a class of his peers. I thought he took it pretty well. >And she really lays into him when she accuses John and >Stephen of treating the Saps as less than human, and being stuck up about >their special powers, even though John was the person who made the comment >that set her off, Stephen gets told off just as much. True, but as I've said before, I come down more on John's side - you have to pick your battles, and this one could have really blown up in their faces if things had gone differently. >To make it worse, Stephen has to wear that kilt, is forced to go on cross >country runs, eat cold porridge with salt on it, experience draughty >conditions, and is knocked out in the course of the serial. >I'm beginning to wonder if being a TP is all that fun! Let's see... threatened by medusas and alien shape-shifting robots, kidnapped by military types who want to use you as a spy (and worse), drugged with synaptrol and/or volumin, afraid to admit that you're special to non-tp humans, expected to do the Galactic Federation's dirty work on distant planets where your special powers don't work, nearly roasted by oriental monks, shot at, coerced by dishonest types who want you to use your special powers to steal things... I could go on, but Shaun, what's not to like about that? Sounds like no end of fun to me :) Jane Jane Starr starr@planet.eon.net 9518-91 st., Edmonton, Alberta, Canada T6C 3P5 check out the new ON SPEC web page at www.icomm.ca/onspec/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rachael Bailey" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Poor little Stephen Date: 10 Jan 1998 16:21:58 PST >Is it just me or is poor Stephen really treated very badly in "The Doomsday >Men." I'll agree with that. But my opinion doesn't matter that much as I am biased when Stephen is concerned. :) Rachael with an A ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hal Freeman Subject: Re: TPDIS: Poor little Stephen Date: 10 Jan 1998 23:13:11 -0600 Shaun Hately wrote: > Is it just me or is poor Stephen really treated very badly in "The > Doomsday > Men." > > First of all, there are numerous examples of John being mean to him. > He > yells at him for jaunting back to the Lab after he is tied up and > placed > outside in the cold. He accuses him of eating too much. He tells him > that > he is unfit and a pig. He makes his food disappear while Stephen is in > the > middle of eating it, and sends him back to Glen College. Well, I'd have to say that this isn't really nice treatment. If he's tied up in the cold I'd say that he's got a darn good reason for jaunting back to the lab. He could get hypothermia! Okay, so Stephen isn't abashed about his diet, but calling him names isn't going to help. And to make food disappear while Stephen is eating it is rude. John oughta be critised for those incidents. However John's human as well. Points to Stephen on all counts! > > > Even Elizabeth isn't very fair to him. She first of all describes him > as > looking 'sweet' in the kilt, which is something no teenage boy would > ever > want to be called. And she really lays into him when she accuses John > and > Stephen of treating the Saps as less than human, and being stuck up > about > their special powers, even though John was the person who made the > comment > that set her off, Stephen gets told off just as much. Elizabeth probably meant well. Besides coming from a girl "sweet" isn't that bad. If it were a guy, then that would have constituted cruelty. I think it was Liz's motherly side. Point to Liz. If John made the comment, why is Stephen taking the heat? If he acted that way but didn't say it, then Liz's has got a point, but if she's just raving then points go to Stephen here. It's a toss up but considering that Liz isn't known for going into tantrums without just cause points to Liz on both counts. > To make it worse, Stephen has to wear that kilt, is forced to go on > cross > country runs, eat cold porridge with salt on it, experience draughty > conditions, and is knocked out in the course of the serial. > Why is he forced to do this? Points to Stephen on all counts! > I'm beginning to wonder if being a TP is all that fun! > Now come one, it can't be that bad. Sure you do have to put up with bad stuff, but think of all the cool stuff you get to do. It's pays for itself so to speak. It's like life, you've got to take a little dirt. Stephen learned from it though, Megan ****** "We don't wear tights, we dress like normal people." "Good, because I refuse to wear tights. I'd rather eat wax duck!" Adam and Brenden Generation: Tomorrow ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hal Freeman Subject: TPDIS: TP Goofs Date: 10 Jan 1998 23:18:40 -0600 I've been a lot of places and seen a lot of stuff. Nothing has ever amused me more than TP Goofs. Not just people, the things they say. So I've compiled a few. Most of them are my own fault. Others are random and some happen because stuff happens. The jokes are ones I've told to friends, who didn't get them at all. Oh, Yeah, I remember the Tomorrow People! Isn't that the show where they spoke English? -Sarah Wyatt When you break out, do you have to use Clearsil? -Alicia Chumney I wanna be a Pomorrow Terson! -Me, sadly, me. Hold your tongue and say "I've teleported to the Ship." Language Arts Goofs: "I don't think that the Tomorrow People novelisations would count as world-changing literature" Name: Megabyte Freeman Name an Island: Tapahini _Megan, I meant a *real* island_ Algebra Goofs: "Alright, I have two t times four p and now I've got eight tp." "There are only 6 TP, when did the other two break out?" "When they stopped using Noxema" Science Goofs "Ms. Fittes if you were teleporting with a flashlight would it work when you got to your destination?" "I dunno." "All right, then I don't wanna be in your class." More Misc. Goofs "Mom! Megan's trying to break out again! She's freaking me out!" -My sister. "Hey Curtis, whoops! Was I supposed to know your name?" "Yeah, Meg, it's on my nametag." "I've got a headache, Mom, where's the aspirin?" "Don't do it, Erin, you're breaking out, don't do it!!" -My sister and I, as I go leaping over chairs and couches to stop her from taking Advil I'm feeling kind of evolved today. "Mom! Megan won't hit me! She keeps saying she a pacifist!" -my sister, again. "Megan, are you trying to break out again? Clean your room, then break out!" -Mom "Are they from the Intergalatic Trignometry?" -Alicia, still confused. One time I teleported into a forest alone, a tree fell right in front of me and I didn't hear it. Jingle Bells, Seaweed smells Kev 'ported again Adam can quickly heal But Culex got away! "Mom, Megan used my hairbow to make a jaunting belt!" -My sister just won't shut up "Young Lady, I don't care who the Yesterday People are but-" "Tomorrow People, dad." "Whatever, you're still grounded!" -Me, my dad, my room Goofballs, awaken! Megan, queen goofball ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tzm" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Poor little Stephen Date: 10 Jan 1998 22:01:32 -0500 Well maybe if you are in the 70's and are Stephen? I never saw that serial. Does he wear a kilt in the whole serial? Now I feel bad for him. Shaun, never took you for one to feel so strongly about Stephen being treated so badly. Tracey ---------- > > > Is it just me or is poor Stephen really treated very badly in "The Doomsday > Men." > > First of all, there are numerous examples of John being mean to him. He > yells at him for jaunting back to the Lab after he is tied up and placed > outside in the cold. He accuses him of eating too much. He tells him that > he is unfit and a pig. He makes his food disappear while Stephen is in the > middle of eating it, and sends him back to Glen College. > > Even Elizabeth isn't very fair to him. She first of all describes him as > looking 'sweet' in the kilt, which is something no teenage boy would ever > want to be called. And she really lays into him when she accuses John and > Stephen of treating the Saps as less than human, and being stuck up about > their special powers, even though John was the person who made the comment > that set her off, Stephen gets told off just as much. > > To make it worse, Stephen has to wear that kilt, is forced to go on cross > country runs, eat cold porridge with salt on it, experience draughty > conditions, and is knocked out in the course of the serial. > > I'm beginning to wonder if being a TP is all that fun! > > Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how > Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears > / |that might turn out to be just what the > o=== ======================- |species needs.' > \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' > drednort@eisa.net.au | > http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rachael Bailey" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Poor little Stephen Date: 10 Jan 1998 21:55:44 PST >Shaun, never took you for one to feel so strongly about Stephen being >treated so badly. >Tracey That i can explain. Shaun has been spending too much time around me lately and all he ever hears is good things about Stepehn and bad things about John. What can I say I'm a self confessed Stephen adict. Rachael with an A ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hal Freeman Subject: Re: TPDIS: Poor little Stephen Date: 11 Jan 1998 12:58:46 -0600 tzm wrote: > Well maybe if you are in the 70's and are Stephen? I never saw that > serial. Does he wear a kilt in the whole serial? Now I feel bad for > him. > Shaun, never took you for one to feel so strongly about Stephen being > treated so badly. > Tracey > Really, I always took Shaun to be a devout John-ite. He's always defending John, which needless to say is something that most people couldn't do. I couldn't. I could defend Megabyte, but not John. 1) I never saw the series and alas, I know I've missed a good thing. 2) Megabyte's so much easier to defend. He never calls anyone a pig or unfit. He called Kevin a waste of space in "A bad dream get Real" though. Also I think that we should consider, does Stephen get treated this badly all the time, or is it just this one serial? If he gets the treatment 24/7 then we'll bite John's head off (not that I'd need a reason). If it's just this once then let is give John, Liz and other assorted tormentors the benefit of the doubt. Anyone can have a bad day. Still Stephen's got my support. I saw his pic on Shaun's page. He's cute, at least in the pic. I don't know about otherwise, but in that one he's pretty fine looking. However, I will always say that Megabyte is the cutest and IMHO best TP. Megabyte lover, Stephen liker, Megan ******* It's something unpredictable And in the end it's right Hope you had the time of your life -Green Day Superman never made any money Savin' the world from Solemon Grundy -Big Head Todd and the Monsters. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Matott Subject: Re: TPDIS: Taking Wendy's Bait Date: 11 Jan 1998 16:07:22 -0500 (EST) > If anyone out there is interested in contributing to a virtual fourth > season of new series TP, please drop me an e-mail > (tpwannabe@hotmail.com). Once I have an idea of how many people would > be interested in contributing stories, I'll send out more detailed > information and guidelines. > I know this should be sent personally, but I have a question for further clarification. Can people jump in on this at a later date? At this point I am nearing the end of my college years and will probably be off to grad school in August. This upheavel means I don't know where I"ll be, what my email address is, etc. for a number of months come May. I'd love to work together with people on something like this, but for now I don't have the time. Not to harp back to the almost-not-quite flame thing, I'm hoping to do a "universe" of my own too. With my own characters. I have plans to do a couple of stories set between serials of the new series and ones that involve my own characters at different points in the timeline. But so far I've only got one piece of fanfic on the list and the sequel to it is coming out soon. Certainly not enough to dub a "universe". (Just felt I'd mention that as I wasn't around when this all happened. Just got back yesterday.) happy new year all mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Matott Subject: TPDIS: Jade in Culex Date: 11 Jan 1998 16:14:30 -0500 (EST) Okay, where did Jade appear in the Culex episodes? I honestly don't remember her ever appearing until Living Stones. I know she did from what is in fanfics and the web pages, but can someone clue me in as to where in the storyline this happened and what exactly happened? Thanks. mike - Greyfalcon - X X - aka mike matott X X - email:matottm@alleg.edu ----X---- X X I want to believe .... X X ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tigger Subject: Re: TPDIS: Poor little Stephen Date: 11 Jan 1998 16:36:07 -0600 (CST) Megan wrote: >Really, I always took Shaun to be a devout John-ite. He's always >defending John, which needless to say is something that most people >couldn't do. I couldn't. I could defend Megabyte, but not John. Just 'cause someone has a favorite character doesn't mean that we always take their side. Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tigger Subject: Re: TPDIS: Jade in Culex Date: 11 Jan 1998 16:37:51 -0600 (CST) >Okay, where did Jade appear in the Culex episodes? Remember the dog that got bitten that Ruth examined? Jade's the owner. Circa part two, I think.... Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Poor little Stephen Date: 11 Jan 1998 16:54:44 +1100 > From: Tigger > > >Is it just me or is poor Stephen really treated very badly in "The > >Doomsday Men." > I've been telling you this for a year now! I know - but I prefer emperical evidence to anecdotal. And it really hit me last night when I was watching. I really felt sorry for the poor kid. > >Even Elizabeth isn't very fair to him. She first of all describes him as > >looking 'sweet' in the kilt, which is something no teenage boy would > >ever want to be called. > Yes, but does Liz know this? I always thought she wsa trying to cheer > him up - just failing miserably. If Liz didn't know, then she has no understanding of adolescent psychology! Personally if I'd been Stephen's age and someone Liz's age had said something like that to me (hang on . . . they did) I would have been very upset and convinced they were being patronising. Of course, I'll give Liz the benefit of the doubt on this one. She may have just had a lapse of concentration. > >And she really lays into him when she accuses John and > >Stephen of treating the Saps as less than human, and being stuck up > >about their special powers, even though John was the person who made the > >comment that set her off, Stephen gets told off just as much. > Well, he's not disagreeing with John, is he? Then again, she is a little > too harsh on him. Would Mike have gotten the same lecture? I doubt it > (it's true, parents do mellow out on the younger children). But in poor Stephen's defence - would his arguing with John have done him any good at all? John will at least listen to Liz. I doubt he would have really cared what Stephen said. I guess it's just funny. Liz is normally so quick to jump to the younger TP's defence, so much so that Stephen seems quite dejected in "A Rift In Time" when she backs up John after he's told Stephen off. Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: TPDIS: Top Ten Fashion Travesties Date: 11 Jan 1998 17:32:47 +1100 Sometimes the TP have to wear clothing that is . . . how should I put this kindly . . . absolutely hideous and revolting. So I've decided to make my Top Ten list of bad TP clothing. In reverse order. 10: Lisa's pink dress in "Origin Story". Personally I didn't think it was too bad. But she seemed to dislike it (just a little bit), so it makes the list. 9: The cowboy costumes worn by John and Stephen in "A Man for Emily". If they had worn them in any other serial, they would have been much higher on the list. 8: Liz's Ambassadorial Robes from "The War of the Empires" although at least they hid her hair (that serial gave me a nasty shock) 7: Bubble Skin Jumpsuits. Any clothes that bad just have to be evil. 6: Stephen's kilt from "The Doomsday Men". Although it did give me a good laugh. 5: The horizontal wavy-striped, semi-form fitting top worn by Adam in "The Rameses Connection." Viewed objectively, it isn't as bad as some things - but I'm prepared to make allowance for the original series being in the '70s. 4: Mike and Hsui Tai's tourist clothing in "The Thargon Menace" 3: Kevin's dress from "Origin Story". It was so twee. 2: Tyso's leisure suit from "Into the Unknown". He had been such a cute little boy. 1: The horrible, hideous one piece thing worn by Mike in "A Much Needed Holiday". I still maintain that Liz and John must have stolen the poor boys pants to get him into that. It actually extends my sympathy for Mike by two more episodes after "The Dirtiest Business". Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Poor little Stephen Date: 11 Jan 1998 17:42:42 +1100 > From: Jane Starr > > Stephen was supposed to be doing a job. An important job. Which could > have been irreparably jeapordized by Stephen's action. Well, he's only a > kid, really, and kids don't have the best judgement in these things, but > I think John was justified in this. Oh I agree that he shouldn't have jaunted to the Lab. But John didn't have to be so mean about it. To John's credit, he is sorry for that afterwards, I suppose. > >He accuses him of eating too much. He tells him that > >he is unfit and a pig. He makes his food disappear while Stephen is in > >the middle of eating it, and sends him back to Glen College. > > Well, I read some of that as teasing, but some of it was Stephen slacking > off the job he was trusted to do again. How many times in that episode > did he pop back to Glen College and someone said "Oh, Jameson, I was just > looking for you." Absences get noticed, and it could have been pretty > hard to explain. Nah! We all know the bad guys are too stupid to work it out. But John calling Stephen unfit? Personally I think the cross country trek in "World's Away" shows who's unfit. Although, I suppose jaunting must deprive you of much needed exercise. And John does go swimming on Galleon Island a lot. > >Even Elizabeth isn't very fair to him. She first of all describes him as > >looking 'sweet' in the kilt, which is something no teenage boy would > >ever want to be called. > > It's called teasing :) At least she didn't do it in front of a class of > his peers. I thought he took it pretty well. Don't even joke about that. I was told I looked cute by a teacher in Year 9 - and I still bear the emotional scars today (-8 Even if it was just teasing on Liz's part, I still think it was pretty cruel in this case. She knew how Stephen felt about the kilt. > True, but as I've said before, I come down more on John's side - you have > to pick your battles, and this one could have really blown up in their > faces if things had gone differently. I agree somewhat. But regardless, Liz didn't need to pick on Stephen. He didn't say it. > Let's see... threatened by medusas and alien shape-shifting robots, > kidnapped by military types who want to use you as a spy (and worse), > drugged with synaptrol and/or volumin, afraid to admit that you're > special to non-tp humans, expected to do the Galactic Federation's dirty > work on distant planets where your special powers don't work, nearly > roasted by oriental monks, shot at, coerced by dishonest types who want > you to use your special powers to steal things... I could go on, but > Shaun, what's not to like about that? Sounds like no end of fun to me :) LOL Jane. The scary thing is - it sounds safer than my own adolescence (-8 Point taken. Still I think I could handle all that - but it wouldn't be nice to be the butt of John and Liz's teasing all the time. Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darryl Gillikin" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Jade in Culex Date: 11 Jan 1998 17:08:59 PST >Okay, where did Jade appear in the Culex episodes? I honestly >don't >remember her ever appearing until Living Stones. Neither did I when I first saw LS, until I went back through my video collection trying to relocate the second season episodes. >I know she did >from >what is in fanfics and the web pages, but can someone clue me in >as to >where in the storyline this happened and what exactly happened? While she pops up in CE, her role in the story is not nearly as much as was suggested in LS. She's in a couple of scenes in episode two, and her dog is bit by a mosquito. All the stuff in LS about having a soft-spot on Megabyte is off-screen. Be seeing you, Darryl "I was dreaming. We were in Paris. You had a branding iron, and there were worms in my baguette..." Drusilla, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer: What's My Line? (part two)" "It's people like that that make you realize how little you've accomplished. It is a sobering thought, for instance, that when Mozart was my age, he had been dead for two years." Tom Lehrer, "That Was the Year that Was." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Jade in Culex Date: 12 Jan 1998 12:12:25 +1100 > From: Tigger > > >Okay, where did Jade appear in the Culex episodes? > Remember the dog that got bitten that Ruth examined? Jade's the owner. > Circa part two, I think.... I've always loved the bit where Ruth takes the dog's blood sample to Doctor Poole. I can just see him reading over the bloodwork. "That's what Kevin's problem is. He's a dog." Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tigger Subject: Re: TPDIS: Poor little Stephen Date: 11 Jan 1998 19:15:17 -0600 (CST) Shaun wrote: >I know - but I prefer emperical evidence to anecdotal. :p >But in poor Stephen's defence - would his arguing with John have done him >any good at all? You know that and I know that, but does Liz know that at that point? Maybe she's trying to teach him to against "only following orders". >I guess it's just funny. Liz is normally so quick to jump to the younger >TP's defence, so much so that Stephen seems quite dejected in "A Rift In >Time" when she backs up John after he's told Stephen off. >But John didn't have >to be so mean about it. To John's credit, he is sorry for that afterwards, >I suppose. I hate to point this out, Shaun, but even John's human. We all make mistakes. :) >But John calling Stephen unfit? Personally I think the cross country trek >in "World's Away" shows who's unfit. So John really was using the transmitter bit as an excuse to rest? Oh, well, that tape's here. (-8 >>I could go on, but >> Shaun, what's not to like about that? Sounds like no end of fun to me :) >LOL Jane. That was my roommate's reaction, too. >The scary thing is - it sounds safer than my own adolescence (-8 Eep! At least mine didn't involve physical danger. >Still I think I could handle all that - but it wouldn't be >nice to be the butt of John and Liz's teasing all the time. S'pecially 'cause John doesn't put up with it in return. (Case and point: the only time I can think of him being teased is 7th season, when Liz is gone. (Ok it's actually twice-- midway through Lost Gods and at the end of Hitler's Last Secret.) And somewhere in Four into Three it says John doesn't like to be teased. The man shouldn't dish it if he can't take it. Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tigger Subject: Re: TPDIS: Top Ten Fashion Travesties Date: 11 Jan 1998 19:21:54 -0600 (CST) Shaun: You forgot John and Mike leaving their shirts open in "War of the Empires". They look like a couple of sleazebags. (Ok, OK, I've been conditioned by 80's sitcoms, but still, it creeps me out to no end.) Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tigger Subject: TPDIS: YKYBWTMTPW.... Date: 11 Jan 1998 19:24:31 -0600 (CST) ....your roommate gives you one of those nesting dolls and you ask her if there's a mind control chip inside of it. (There wasn't, but I had to ask.:) Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tracey.dutton@cableinet.co.uk Subject: Re: TPDIS: Top Ten Fashion Travesties Date: 12 Jan 1998 01:25:19 +0000 Shaun Hately wrote: > > Sometimes the TP have to wear clothing that is . . . how should I put this > kindly . . . absolutely hideous and revolting. Yes, and people actually wore much of this stuff in real life then too...! > The horrible, hideous one piece thing worn by Mike in "A Much Needed > Holiday". I still maintain that Liz and John must have stolen the poor boys > pants to get him into that. It actually extends my sympathy for Mike by two > more episodes after "The Dirtiest Business". ...Not to mention what costumes everyone else had to wear. I was watching this story recently and another person came into the room and virtually collapsed with laughter when they saw that blue robe thing that John wore for some of the story... :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kasey Thompson" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Jade in Culex Date: 11 Jan 1998 17:47:08 PST > > >>Okay, where did Jade appear in the Culex episodes? I honestly >don't >>remember her ever appearing until Living Stones. > >Neither did I when I first saw LS, until I went back through my video >collection trying to relocate the second season episodes. > >>I know she did >>from >>what is in fanfics and the web pages, but can someone clue me in >as to >>where in the storyline this happened and what exactly happened? > >While she pops up in CE, her role in the story is not nearly as much as >was suggested in LS. She's in a couple of scenes in episode two, and >her dog is bit by a mosquito. All the stuff in LS about having a >soft-spot on Megabyte is off-screen.> Yeah, you would think she'd have a soft spot for Adam since he spends the most time talkiing with her and trying to calm her down. Kasey "The name's Jack Dawkins but I'm known by me more intimate of acquaintances as the Artful Dodger." Charles Dickens, "Oliver Twist" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Poor little Stephen Date: 12 Jan 1998 13:18:24 +1100 > From: Hal Freeman > > Really, I always took Shaun to be a devout John-ite. He's always > defending John, which needless to say is something that most people > couldn't do. I couldn't. I could defend Megabyte, but not John. A John-ite? Me? You are quite correct. I do greatly like and admire John and I do defend him if I think he's getting a raw deal. But he isn't perfect (as several people have pointed out to me) and he isn't always right. And in the case of The Doomsday Men, I think he was unfair. It's like the people who think I hate Mike. I don't. There's just a few things about him that annoy me. In general, he's a pretty good guy. > 1) I never saw the series and alas, I know I've missed a good thing. You never saw the series? Poor thing. I think you would really enjoy it. You also might change your opinion of John slightly if you saw him - he isn't as bad as some people make out in my opinion. It's just that when you simplify his personality, you do tend to get left with a pretty cold person. > 2) Megabyte's so much easier to defend. He never calls anyone a pig or > unfit. He called Kevin a waste of space in "A bad dream get Real" > though. John isn't normally cruel. But he is cold at times. Personally I think it's because he doesn't like showing emotion in front of the others and he tries to suppress it when he can, if the others are in danger. There are numerous cases where we do see how much John cares about the others - one of the best is in "The Doomsday Men" in a discussion he has with TIM, just after he sends Stephen back to Glen College. But Stephen never gets to see that. And in later seasons, John has mellowed a bit. He's a lot more emotional around Hsui Tai, Mike, and Andrew than he was around the earlier TP. > Also I think that we should consider, does Stephen get treated this > badly all the time, or is it just this one serial? > > If he gets the treatment 24/7 then we'll bite John's head off (not that > I'd need a reason). If it's just this once then let is give John, Liz > and other assorted tormentors the benefit of the doubt. Anyone can have > a bad day. > > Still Stephen's got my support. I saw his pic on Shaun's page. He's > cute, at least in the pic. I don't know about otherwise, but in that one > he's pretty fine looking. However, I will always say that Megabyte is > the cutest and IMHO best TP. Stephen does tend to get picked on a bit but it is virtually always in good fun, and obviously so. Sometimes he deserves it too - he does do some really stupid things at times. That's the reason why "The Doomsday Men" stands out so much to me - because the teasing is constant, almost everytime we see Stephen in the Lab. Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hal Freeman Subject: Re: TPDIS: Jade in Culex Date: 11 Jan 1998 20:22:17 -0600 > Yeah, you would think she'd have a soft spot for Adam since he spends > the most time talkiing with her and trying to calm her down. > > Kasey > Love is a strange creature and who it lends itself to is at random. Adam probably got on her nerves though, and he's a lot older (well from a teen point of view). He also probably acts too mother hennish and/or big brotherly for her to think romantically of him. I can sympathise. I like Megabyte too. I think she just has a here-today-gone-Tomorrow sort of crush (pun INTENDED). Love is odd and unbridled, Megan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hal Freeman Subject: Re: TPDIS: Poor little Stephen Date: 11 Jan 1998 20:35:26 -0600 > > > I guess it's just funny. Liz is normally so quick to jump to the > younger > TP's defence, so much so that Stephen seems quite dejected in "A Rift > In > Time" when she backs up John after he's told Stephen off. > Are these guys havin' a war or what?!?!? It's like who's on who's side. That's why they got in so much trouble, they were always competing for allies in some sort of game. Carol said they couldn't wage wars, I may be begging to differ. However, perhaps it is human nature to want to have somebody to your back when up against foes. However considering John it may have been the lesser of two evils for Stephen to have his back to a wall, than John to his back. My take on it is this in a nutshell ('cause I'm a nut), Usually John can do enough head biting without Liz's help. Usually Liz won't let him go hog wild with it. However, if Liz and John tag team ya, hit the deck. It's gonna get ugly! I couldn't imagine being tag teamed by those two Megan ******* It's something unpredictable And in the end it's right I hope you had the time of your life -Green Day ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Caroline Fales Subject: Re: TPDIS: Jade in Culex Date: 11 Jan 1998 21:29:17 -0500 At 04:14 PM 1/11/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Okay, where did Jade appear in the Culex episodes? I honestly don't >remember her ever appearing until Living Stones. I know she did from >what is in fanfics and the web pages, but can someone clue me in as to >where in the storyline this happened and what exactly happened? Thanks. > >mike >Neither did I when I first saw LS, until I went back through my video collection trying to relocate the second season episodes. Jade made a brief appearance in the 2nd episode of Culex. I have my own theory as to why she was chosen as the TP to take Ami's place. I think it's same sort of situation that occured with Doctor Who's companion Romana. For all of you who aren't familiar with Doctor Who, let me explain. During the fifteenth season of the show (the Tom Baker years--4th doctor), the Doctor had a Time Lady companion named Romana. The original actress was a model named Mary Tamm. The character proved to be a popular one but Tamm wanted out by the end of the season. So they either had to recast or get a new character. They decided to recast; in the last story of that season (The Armageddon Factor), actress Lalla Ward had a part as the Princess Astra. She and Baker hit off as well and the producer liked her as well. So when the time came to recast she was chosen because they already knew they could work with her and she was available. Anyway that's what I think occured when they went to replace Ami. Any other theories? Caroline _________________________________ "When the wind is right, the wise man isn't half so trusted as the fool." --Christy Riddell in "Dreams Underfoot" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Caroline Fales Subject: Re: TPDIS: Jade in Culex Date: 11 Jan 1998 21:28:27 -0500 At 04:14 PM 1/11/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Okay, where did Jade appear in the Culex episodes? I honestly don't >remember her ever appearing until Living Stones. I know she did from >what is in fanfics and the web pages, but can someone clue me in as to >where in the storyline this happened and what exactly happened? Thanks. > >mike >Neither did I when I first saw LS, until I went back through my video collection trying to relocate the second season episodes. Jade made a brief appearance in the 2nd episode of Culex. I have my own theory as to why she was chosen as the TP to take Ami's place. I think it's same sort of situation that occured with Doctor Who's companion Romana. For all of you who aren't familiar with Doctor Who, let me explain. During the fifteenth season of the show (the Tom Baker years--4th doctor), the Doctor had a Time Lady companion named Romana. The original actress was a model named Mary Tamm. The character proved to be a popular one but Tamm wanted out by the end of the season. So they either had to recast or get a new character. They decided to recast; in the last story of that season (The Armageddon Factor), actress Lalla Ward had a part as the Princess Astra. She and Baker hit off as well and the producer liked her as well. So when the time came to recast she was chosen because they already knew they could work with her and she was available. Anyway that's what I think occured when they went to replace Ami. Any other theories? _________________________________ "When the wind is right, the wise man isn't half so trusted as the fool." --Christy Riddell in "Dreams Underfoot" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hal Freeman Subject: TPDIS: What would they say? Date: 11 Jan 1998 21:12:07 -0600 Question Shaun (or anyone else), What would the TP think of our opinions about them. I'd love to know how John would react to your comments, our comments, my comments etc.... For Old Series I think: 1) John wouldn't take so bad. He would see that we're being as fair as we can be. Everyone has a bit of a bias. Some like to make John the bad guy, others like to make him a hero. It's just the persons perception. He gets a lot of attention around here. 2) Liz would be pleased. She'd like that we think so much of her. 3) Mike would frown. He's not the life of the party (so to speak) around here. He might also have a few choice words about our speculations on his relationship with Hsui Tai. Namely in Section 46 which is an awesome fic! 4) Andrew wouldn't really go either way. He's not thrown out a lot on the list. 5) Hsui Tai would object to being, as one person referred to it, "A plot device". That is if she choose to comment at all. 6) Tricia and Carol would object to being perhaps forgotten about. We don't really talk about them. Tricia might be mad at me for not knowing what to do with her. I still don't know what to do with her. Carol's pretty well thought of. 7) Tyso doesn't get discussed much. Except for his poor leisure suit, which he might also be abashed about. Most people who wore them are. 8) Stephen would, I think, appreciate that we're not teasing him. Also I do think that he would like my comments about him being "cute" in that pic on Shaun's page. That is, if he didn't take it to be the equivalent of Liz calling him "sweet" New Series 1) Adam would like that we think well of him. He's a nice guy, he'd like Shaun's review of him as a SNAG (sensitive new age guy). Adam isn't near as falliable as John, but still he is. 2) Megabyte might not appreciate that sometimes we tend to colour him as a tad bit of a joker and a wee bit lazy. He would appreciate that I like him so much. And that he gets quoted on the attachments of people's messages frequently. He'd like that we don't call him Marmaduke. I don't blame him. 3) Lisa wouldn't be there so see it. If she was she's probably not like my depiction of her as a deserter in "Of Emails, Telepaths, Hackers, and Sanity". She isn't really discussed. 4) Kevin would feel left out! We don't ever talk about him that much. When's the last time you saw anyone get addicted to debating the finer issues of HIS character. He gets a few honourable mentions now and then, but we sort of ignore him. I feel so sorry for him. Ack! Also, he wouldn't like me referring to him as being deaf in part 0/7 of OETHS. 5) Ami would feel a bit neglected. Given we don't discuss her like we do Megabyte or Adam. However she gets a bit more attention than Kev does. She wouldn't like the YKYBWTMTPW joke about her waving her arms madly in the air. She would like that we always spell her name right! 6) Jade wouldn't appreciate one, our YKYBWTMTPW jokes about her clothes, our thoughts of her as a mall rat, and our blurting out to the world that she has a gigantic crush on Megabyte Damon! She would react well to "If Wishes Had Wings" which is an out of this world piece! Jade gets the "Mike" treatment but not in the degree just because we don't have that much to throw around. She gets 1 serial and a cameo. So there's my thoughts. I mean, the characters aren't here to tell us the truth, so it's up to the fans to sort out all of it. Which is what we love to do. What would they say, if they knew? Megan ****** The heart is fleeting, the mind is forever - Jacob Lanier ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: What would they say? Date: 12 Jan 1998 14:36:11 +1100 > From: Hal Freeman > > Question Shaun (or anyone else), > > What would the TP think of our opinions about them. I'd love to know > how John would react to your comments, our comments, my comments etc.... Personally Megan, I think you are pretty close on with your assessments here. I certainly agree with most of them. I'll add a couple of comments to them. > For Old Series I think: > > 1) John wouldn't take so bad. He would see that we're being as fair as > we can be. Everyone has a bit of a bias. Some like to make John the bad > guy, others like to make him a hero. It's just the persons perception. > He gets a lot of attention around here. I agree in general terms. But I personally think John is a lot more vulnerable than some people might. I think that's why he can be so cold and distant - he doesn't like to get close because that puts him at risk of being hurt. So he might be very hurt to see the comments some people make about him. But we'd never know he was hurt. > 2) Liz would be pleased. She'd like that we think so much of her. I agree totally. Liz seems to be one of the most universally admired TP's and rightly so. > 3) Mike would frown. He's not the life of the party (so to speak) > around here. He might also have a few choice words about our > speculations on his relationship with Hsui Tai. Namely in Section 46 > which is an awesome fic! I think Mike might be a bit embarassed about all the speculation about his love life. For the rest, I think he'd just shrug it off. I don't think Mike cares that much about other people's opinions. As long as he feels he is doing the right thing he is happy. > 4) Andrew wouldn't really go either way. He's not thrown out a lot on > the list. That's true. Although certain people have included him in fanfic and I don't think he'd necessarily be too pleased about the way they portray him. Not that they aren't accurate - I just doubt he see himself that way. > 5) Hsui Tai would object to being, as one person referred to it, "A > plot device". That is if she choose to comment at all. Spot on! Although maybe she might come out of her shell and revert to the stun gun wielding Hsui Tai of "The Lost Gods" > 6) Tricia and Carol would object to being perhaps forgotten about. We > don't really talk about them. Tricia might be mad at me for not knowing > what to do with her. I still don't know what to do with her. Carol's > pretty well thought of. I don't know that Tricia would care that much. I don't really think she cares at all what other people think of her. She has a very clear sense of duty and that's what counts. Carol might object to her place. I don't think she's forgotten about - she's just so overshadowed by Liz that we don't discuss her much. > 7) Tyso doesn't get discussed much. Except for his poor leisure suit, > which he might also be abashed about. Most people who wore them are. LOL. I agree. Tyso might object to the constant comments about his gypsy nature - but that's the shows fault not ours. > 8) Stephen would, I think, appreciate that we're not teasing him. Also > I do think that he would like my comments about him being "cute" in that > pic on Shaun's page. That is, if he didn't take it to be the equivalent > of Liz calling him "sweet" He might like you calling him cute. There's a lot of difference to a guy when the term is used by someone close to their own age than when it's used by an adult female. It has wildly different connotations. (I'm just hoping he doesn't read 'Making Connections' where I describe him as a pretty child . . .) > New Series > > 1) Adam would like that we think well of him. He's a nice guy, he'd > like Shaun's review of him as a SNAG (sensitive new age guy). Adam isn't > near as falliable as John, but still he is. Agreed. Totally and utterly. I think Adam really does appreciate nice comments as it seems to me he's had a hard time sometime in his past. > 2) Megabyte might not appreciate that sometimes we tend to colour him > as a tad bit of a joker and a wee bit lazy. He would appreciate that I > like him so much. And that he gets quoted on the attachments of people's > messages frequently. He'd like that we don't call him Marmaduke. I don't > blame him. I agree here too. I think it's that oversimplification again, which I feel also exists with John and Mike. When you simplify these characters you can end up with a fairly negative view which totally misses their finer points. > 3) Lisa wouldn't be there so see it. If she was she's probably not > like my depiction of her as a deserter in "Of Emails, Telepaths, > Hackers, and Sanity". She isn't really discussed. She really won't like my upcoming depiction of her (DO NOT TELL ANYONE RACHAEL OR I WILL TOTALLY AND UTTERLY DESTROY YOUR COPIES OF THE NOVELS!!!!! - AND TELL JOHN ABOUT THE SEAL) I actually hope to use her as a fairly major character in the future. > 4) Kevin would feel left out! We don't ever talk about him that much. > When's the last time you saw anyone get addicted to debating the finer > issues of HIS character. He gets a few honourable mentions now and then, > but we sort of ignore him. I feel so sorry for him. Ack! Also, he > wouldn't like me referring to him as being deaf in part 0/7 of OETHS. Finer issues? Kevin? > 5) Ami would feel a bit neglected. Given we don't discuss her like we > do Megabyte or Adam. However she gets a bit more attention than Kev > does. She wouldn't like the YKYBWTMTPW joke about her waving her arms > madly in the air. She would like that we always spell her name right! Ami also deserves more discussion - I think she's too straightforward a character. She doesn't seem to have as much behind her as Adam or Megabyte. > 6) Jade wouldn't appreciate one, our YKYBWTMTPW jokes about her > clothes, our thoughts of her as a mall rat, and our blurting out to the > world that she has a gigantic crush on Megabyte Damon! She would react > well to "If Wishes Had Wings" which is an out of this world piece! Jade > gets the "Mike" treatment but not in the degree just because we don't > have that much to throw around. She gets 1 serial and a cameo. Mall rat. Personally when I do that (have her shopping) that's not my intention at all. I'm just trying to work out a way of her getting closer to Ami, and it seems to me (probably horribly sexist) that if two girls who don't know each other want to make friends, they tend to shop a lot. You see - I think Ami would make a real effort to get to know Jade. First of all, simply because Ami must like having another girl around after having to hang around with Adam and Megabyte. And also I think Ami might feel sorry for Jade in a way. She must know that Jade has a crush on Megabyte - I'd say anyone could work that out. And she must also know that Megabyte isn't interested. Jade also definitely hero-worships Adam and Ami could see that too. I can see Ami making a special effort to get close to Jade if for no other reason than to get her through her crush on Megabyte and worship of Adam. She also knows what it is like to be the new TP. Adam and Megabyte may not understand it as well, as Adam had to learn by himself, and Megabyte was one of three newly broken out TPs all learning the ropes together. > So there's my thoughts. I mean, the characters aren't here to tell us > the truth, so it's up to the fans to sort out all of it. Which is what > we love to do. > > What would they say, if they knew? As I said, in general, I agree with your takes. They seem very well thought out to me. Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jane Starr Subject: Re: TPDIS: Top Ten Fashion Travesties Date: 11 Jan 1998 20:47:04 -0700 At 05:32 PM 1/11/98 +1100, you wrote: >Sometimes the TP have to wear clothing that is . . . how should I put this >kindly . . . absolutely hideous and revolting. > >So I've decided to make my Top Ten list of bad TP clothing. In reverse >order. >6: Stephen's kilt from "The Doomsday Men". Although it did give me a good >laugh. Personally, I've always liked a man (even a young one) in a kilt. I thought Steven looked rather good. Now, if only they'd got John into one :) Jane Jane Starr starr@planet.eon.net 9518-91 st., Edmonton, Alberta, Canada T6C 3P5 check out the new ON SPEC web page at www.icomm.ca/onspec/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tracey.dutton@cableinet.co.uk Subject: Re: TPDIS: Top Ten Fashion Travesties Date: 12 Jan 1998 03:56:56 +0000 Jane Starr wrote: > > Personally, I've always liked a man (even a young one) in a kilt. I > thought Steven looked rather good. Now, if only they'd got John into one :) > They *did* get John into a kilt (along with Mike) in Castle Of Fear, I think it was :) Tracey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tigger Subject: Re: TPDIS: Jade in Culex Date: 11 Jan 1998 22:26:34 -0600 (CST) Kasey Thompson wrote: >Yeah, you would think she'd have a soft spot for Adam since he spends >the most time talkiing with her and trying to calm her down. That would imply Jade had sense. (-8 Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tigger Subject: Re: TPDIS: Poor little Stephen Date: 11 Jan 1998 23:05:55 -0600 (CST) Shaun wrote: >A John-ite? Me? >It's like the people who think I hate Mike. I don't. There's just a few >things about him that annoy me. In general, he's a pretty good guy. Yes, and I'll rail about Hsui Tai from time to time. But that doesn't mean I don't like her. Heck, I remembered her better than I did Liz before I got my tapes (this probably stems from the fact that the episodes I remembered best were "Slaves of Jedikiah", "The Medusa Strain", and "Hitler's Last Secret". (BTW, if someone could teleport a copy of that last one to my dorm room for use tomorrow night, it would be much appreciated-- then again, if any of you could do that, I could just jaunt home for mine.:) Anyway, can we quit trying to pigeon hole people by what characters they like? Please? Please with sugar? Am gonna have to let Liz get on a bonding kick at the end of RC2 (if I ever finish the thing) and make everyone sit around a bonfire singing Kumbaya? No, better, "It's a Small World" or some cheesy Hanson song maybe? (If someone'd email me the lyrics to that, that is.:) >You also might change your opinion of John slightly if you saw him - he >isn't as bad as some people make out in my opinion. It's just that when you >simplify his personality, you do tend to get left with a pretty cold person. Here here! Read "Breaking the Spell", pick up the subtle nuances... oh, wait, that one's R for language, um, well, eventually Three in Three should post to the fiction list. (Four into Three, on the other hand....) REad... oh, wait, I haven't written that one yet. I'm trying to think of other stories that show the kinder, gentler John. There aren't too many. No wonder you're getting such a skewed vision. I know! Read "Dear John", it'll at least give you some insight into the man's head. >Personally I think it's >because he doesn't like showing emotion in front of the others and he tries >to suppress it when he can, if the others are in danger. There are numerous >cases where we do see how much John cares about the others - one of the >best is in "The Doomsday Men" in a discussion he has with TIM, just after >he sends Stephen back to Glen College. But Stephen never gets to see that. There are others: Heart of Sogguth, A Rift in Time (boy, was John worried about Stephen in that compound on his own).... >And in later seasons, John has mellowed a bit. He's a lot more emotional >around Hsui Tai, Mike, and Andrew than he was around the earlier TP. Which reminds me: The Living Skins. Poor Andrew's always getting left behind and I can't think of a time John's kinder about it.... >Sometimes he deserves it too - he does do some >really stupid things at times. Jaunting in front of Professor Cawston and.... Let's face it, in the dumb things department, Mike has him beat. Megan responded to Shaun thusly: >> Stepehn seems dejected in "A Rift In Time" when [Liz] backs up John after >>he's told Stephen off. > Are these guys havin' a war or what?!?!? It's like who's on who's >side. That's why they got in so much trouble, they were always competing >for allies in some sort of game. Carol said they couldn't wage wars, I >may be begging to differ. However, perhaps it is human nature to want to >have somebody to your back when up against foes. You're getting the totally wrong impression. You're thinking in terms of the New TP heirarchy, the ways those relationships work. That's not how it works. Adam is big brother, he leads by consensus, and sometimes the others argue. John is father. He gives orders. The rules are there, and you'll hear about it if you do something dumb. It's not that he doesn't care: he just doesn't know how to show it. And the fact that nine times out of ten he's dealing with 13-17 year old boys who are equally trying to be "manly" (it was the 70's, after all), just didn't help. The TP didn't fight, but John and LIz would correct improper behavoir. And jaunting in front of a parapsychologist when you're trying *not* to be noticed as a TP is definitely behavior in need of correction. > However considering John it may have been the lesser of two evils for >Stephen to have his back to a wall, than John to his back. I'll take John to my back over a wall any time, thank you. Tomorrow morning espeically. > My take on it is this in a nutshell ('cause I'm a nut), Usually John >can do enough head biting without Liz's help. Usually Liz won't let him >go hog wild with it. However, if Liz and John tag team ya, hit the deck. >It's gonna get ugly! OK, let's get one thing straight: John and Liz never tag team anyone. Liz backs John up in ARiT by not disagreeing. Or rather, by saying John is right (or something like that, it's been awhile, but the tape's here- in fact, I may be watching it tomorrow night....) In order to get "tag teamed" you'd probably have to do worse things than any TP would ever do. Kill someone. Take drugs. Something unforgivable like that. >I couldn't imagine being tag teamed by those two I can't imagine them doing it. Y'know, just a suggestion, but maybe you should get a tape or two from Wendy, just to get an idea, before you go leaping to conclusions. Ah, help, I'm being tickled away from the keyboard.... OK, this is John here, and while I have Beth contendly curled up with an old TV Zone article on the new series, I just want to say that I'm sick and tired of being potrayed as a monster. Especially by people who only know me by what's posted on this list and written in fanfiction-- and aren't even looking at the important bits of fanfic that show my other sides (OK, so one's still not posted yet but...) So can you all please quit making generalizations about me? Thank you. John of the TP variety OK, I've gotten my keyboard back (I'm a quick reader), but John's pestering me to get to bed 'cause of my comps talk tomorrow, so I need to go. Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tzm" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Poor little Stephen Date: 11 Jan 1998 23:00:17 -0500 Rachael, thanks for converting Shaun. I like more converts to the fanatics or Fans of Stephen "club". Tracey ---------- > > That i can explain. Shaun has been spending too much time around me > lately and all he ever hears is good things about Stepehn and bad things > about John. What can I say I'm a self confessed Stephen adict. > > Rachael with an A > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tigger Subject: Re: TPDIS: What would they say? Date: 11 Jan 1998 23:13:37 -0600 (CST) Megan wrote: > What would the TP think of our opinions about them. I'd love to know >how John would react to your comments, our comments, my comments etc.... Eek. List telepathy. I hadn't read this before my other post, really. Shaun said: >So [John] might be very hurt to see the comments some people make about him. >But we'd never know he was hurt. I disagree. CF my post to the Poor little Stephen thread [quoting Megan] >> 3) Mike would frown. He's not the life of the party (so to speak) >> around here. He might also have a few choice words about our >> speculations on his relationship with Hsui Tai. Namely in Section 46 >> which is an awesome fic! >I think Mike might be a bit embarassed about all the speculation about his >love life. Hey! For the record, THAT WAS MIKE AND HSUI TAI'S IDEA! They decided to tell me about it when I wast trying to outline a paper on Euripides's cyclops. I just transcribed. That's it. OK, I really do need to get my tail into the shower and bed now, Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tzm" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Jade in Culex Date: 11 Jan 1998 23:20:03 -0500 Jade's dog ( a different one from Living Stones) was bitten by one of those mosquitoes made by Culex. The dog is brought to Kevin's aunt Ruth while Adam and Megabyte are staying there. That's how they meet Jade. Does this ring any bells? Tracey ---------- > > > Okay, where did Jade appear in the Culex episodes? I honestly don't > remember her ever appearing until Living Stones. I know she did from > what is in fanfics and the web pages, but can someone clue me in as to > where in the storyline this happened and what exactly happened? Thanks. > > mike > > > - Greyfalcon - X X > - aka mike matott X X > - email:matottm@alleg.edu ----X---- > X X > I want to believe .... X X > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rachael Bailey" Subject: Re: TPDIS: What would they say? Date: 11 Jan 1998 23:13:56 PST >> Question Shaun (or anyone else), I luv the way everyone thinks shaun will know the answer, and even more so the way he always does. >She really won't like my upcoming depiction of her (DO NOT TELL ANYONE >RACHAEL OR I WILL TOTALLY AND UTTERLY DESTROY YOUR COPIES OF THE >NOVELS!!!!! - AND TELL JOHN ABOUT THE SEAL) I have one thing to say to this Shuan, remember who has your copy of TV Zone with the tomorrow people in it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeremy Rogers Subject: Re: TPDIS: Jade in Culex Date: 12 Jan 1998 07:20:03 GMT Caroline Fales wrote: > Jade made a brief appearance in the 2nd episode of Culex. I have my > own theory as to why she was chosen as the TP to take Ami's place. Anyway that's what I think > occured when they went to replace Ami. ... > Any other theories? Alex Milman had already worked with the Tetra lot for at least one series of Mike and Angelo. Jez -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darryl Gillikin" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Jade in Culex Date: 12 Jan 1998 00:54:15 PST >Kasey Thompson wrote: >>Yeah, you would think she'd have a soft spot for Adam since he spends >>the most time talkiing with her and trying to calm her down. >That would imply Jade had sense. (-8 Kasey, down!!!!! :) Darryl (who knows first hand the sort of monster this might create! ) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Poor little Stephen Date: 12 Jan 1998 22:32:02 +1100 > From: Hal Freeman > > Are these guys havin' a war or what?!?!? It's like who's on who's > side. That's why they got in so much trouble, they were always competing > for allies in some sort of game. Carol said they couldn't wage wars, I > may be begging to differ. However, perhaps it is human nature to want to > have somebody to your back when up against foes. > > However considering John it may have been the lesser of two evils for > Stephen to have his back to a wall, than John to his back. > > My take on it is this in a nutshell ('cause I'm a nut), Usually John > can do enough head biting without Liz's help. Usually Liz won't let him > go hog wild with it. However, if Liz and John tag team ya, hit the deck. > It's gonna get ugly! I think the mother/father analogy applies here. In a way John and Liz do serve as proxy-parents to the younger TPs. John normally handles telling them off and Liz doesn't have to. Why make it worse on the poor kids? If John goes too far (and it does happen) Liz basically steps in and defuses the situation. But on occasion, Liz gets involved too if the younger TP deserves it. In the case in "A Rift In Time" I think Liz sees that Stephen is actually looking to her to take his side after John tells him off. The thing is, on this occasion, Liz agrees with John and says so. At that point, Stephen instantly apologises. Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jane Starr Subject: Re: TPDIS: Top Ten Fashion Travesties Date: 12 Jan 1998 08:04:09 -0700 At 03:56 AM 1/12/98 +0000, Tracey wrote: >Jane Starr wrote: >> Personally, I've always liked a man (even a young one) in a kilt. I >> thought Steven looked rather good. Now, if only they'd got John into one :) >> >They *did* get John into a kilt (along with Mike) in Castle Of Fear, I >think it was :) Ah, now I've only ever seen that one once, a long time ago. Someday I'll have the spare cash to order tapes, or the new SF channel will get it. Since they didn't get B5 (snarl) they owe me TP. Jane Starr Jane Starr starr@planet.eon.net 9518-91 st., Edmonton, Alberta, Canada T6C 3P5 check out the new ON SPEC web page at www.icomm.ca/onspec/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hal Freeman Subject: Re: TPDIS: Top Ten Fashion Travesties Date: 12 Jan 1998 15:23:29 -0600 > They *did* get John into a kilt (along with Mike) in Castle Of Fear, I > > think it was :) > When? How? You mean John was in an acutual kilt? LOL! :) Oh my Lord! ROTFLMAO! John, in a kilt, I can just see it. And Liz thought _Stephen_ was "sweet"! Hehehehe! I can't breathe, can't quit laughing! Megan ****** Whatever you do, whatever you think I look in your eyes you don't how my heart aches Whatever you say Whatever could mean you're breaking my heart -En Vogue "Whatever" EV3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kasey Thompson" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Jade in Culex Date: 12 Jan 1998 14:45:18 PST > >>Kasey Thompson wrote: >>>Yeah, you would think she'd have a soft spot for Adam since he spends >>>the most time talkiing with her and trying to calm her down. >>That would imply Jade had sense. (-8 > >Kasey, down!!!!! :) Ooohhh! Such an easy set-up for such an easy target. Sometimes it's just too easy. Thank You!! Beth. >Darryl >(who knows first hand the sort of monster this might create! ) Monster? Monster! Really! Remember my dear, Crewe is only three hours away.... Kasey "The name's Jack Dawkins but I'm known by me more intimate of aquaintances as the Artful Dodger." Charles Dickens, "Oliver Twist" >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Latimer84 Subject: Re: TPDIS: Top Ten Fashion Travesties Date: 12 Jan 1998 18:02:13 EST Don't forget what JON wore in "A Much Needed Holiday"! (Toldja, Arpi! ;-) -Geoff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tracey.dutton@cableinet.co.uk Subject: Re: TPDIS: Top Ten Fashion Travesties Date: 12 Jan 1998 23:51:57 +0000 Shaun Hately wrote: > > Sometimes the TP have to wear clothing that is . . . how should I put this > kindly . . . absolutely hideous and revolting. > Don't forget Liz's green dress in 'Into The Unknown' either :) While I'm talking about that story, has anyone else noticed the complete lack of continuity for Stephens rather fine feathered haircut? Different variation in nearly every other scene...! Tracey '...Got a devils haicut, in my mind..' Devils Haircut - Beck ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Megan Delaney Subject: TPDIS: YKYRBWTMTPW Date: 12 Jan 1998 18:36:12 -0600 (CST) You Know Your Roommate's Been Watching Too Much TP When . . . before a major presentation she keeps repeating "the worst that can happen is I disappear in a flash of light. the worst that can happen is I disappear in a flash of light..." and she even asks "if I disappear in a flash of light, you'll cover for me, right?" Maria ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shaun Owen Hately <075466@bud.cc.swin.edu.au> Subject: Re: TPDIS: YKYRBWTMTPW Date: 13 Jan 1998 11:38:06 +1100 (EST) On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, Megan Delaney wrote: > You Know Your Roommate's Been Watching Too Much TP When . . . > > before a major presentation she keeps repeating "the worst that can happen is I > disappear in a flash of light. the worst that can happen is I disappear in a > flash of light..." Shouldn't that be: "the best that can happen is I disappear in a flash of light. The best that can happen is I disappear in a flash of light"? Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@bud.swin.edu.au | http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/8017/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PANNELLJ@delphi.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Top Ten Fashion Travestie Date: 12 Jan 1998 17:09:34 -0500 (EST) >When? How? You mean John was in an acutual kilt? LOL! :) Oh my Lord! >ROTFLMAO! John, in a kilt, I can just see it. And Liz thought _Stephen_ >was "sweet"! Hehehehe! Both him and Mike! A formal dress kilt, no less, with LOTS of frills and ruffles! They even got to carry a skein dubh and make bad jokes about bringing their own steak knife. (A skein dubh is the traditional blade carried in the stocking... kind of like a small dirk) John ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Latimer84 Subject: Re: TPDIS: Top Ten Fashion Travesties Date: 12 Jan 1998 20:13:32 EST Oh yeah! That was CLASSIC! We all REALLY watch too much TP.... -Geoff In a message dated 98-01-12 20:03:11 EST, you write: > i'll never forget the evening that i was on the phone with Geoff while he > was watching that. at first i thought that i was hearing things when i > began to hear the TP theme without watching it myself, and was about to > ask Geoffrey if he was watching. before i could, i was interrupted with > yelps of "John's wearing a dress! ohmigod! John is wearing a *dress*!" > i didn't believe him until i watched the episode myself... > > > --Ariana ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shaun Owen Hately <075466@bud.cc.swin.edu.au> Subject: TPDIS: Magazine Questions Date: 13 Jan 1998 15:48:08 +1100 (EST) First question - does anyone know of a magazine called 'dwb' or with a title that might be abbreviated to those letters. I suspect it's some sort of Doctor Who magazine. I've been told there was an interview with Nicholas Young in an issue of it, but I can't identify the magazine. Second - not a question. I just noticed that 'Cult Times' Special #3 which has just arrived in Australian newsagents (so was probably out months ago elsewhere) has a small piece about The Tomorrow People with a very small (postage stamp sized) picture of John, Liz and Stephen (IIRC). Third - has anyone seen the spinning 25th anniversary picture I've placed on my page (http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html) I'd just appreciate any comments on it if people have. Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@bud.swin.edu.au | http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/8017/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tigger Subject: Re: TPDIS: Magazine Questions Date: 12 Jan 1998 23:11:38 -0600 (CST) >First question - does anyone know of a magazine called 'dwb' or with a >title that might be abbreviated to those letters. Dr Who Bullitain. Which later became Dreamwatch. :) >Third - has anyone seen the spinning 25th anniversary picture I've >placed on my page (http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html) Nope, but now that I'm done with my stupid comps talk (evil, evil) I'll go to the computer labs (no more ppp:( ) and use Netscape to check it out! :) Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hal Freeman Subject: TPDIS: List Telepathy Date: 12 Jan 1998 23:21:00 -0600 > list > Telepathy! > > --Ariana > > "If I was telepathic, if I could teleport, it would be the dream of my > > life come true!" --Megabyte Damon, The Tomorrow People Amen Megabyte! The incidents of list telepathy are at an all time high. What is going on? Even I'm getting the telepathic bouts of intuition. Perhaps, if TP have a telepathic bond with each other, then TP fans do as well. That means we could be TP how haven't broken out. 'Cause in "Slaves of Jedikiah", they had to go get Stephen. That means we haven't broken out because nobody's come to get us. Has anyone had blackouts lately?! This is getting weird. I'll bet somebody is thinking the same thing, Megan P.S- My imagination's on a wild streak! I'm probably wrong. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeremy Rogers Subject: Re: TPDIS: Magazine Questions (FWD) Date: 13 Jan 1998 07:50:26 GMT Shaun Owen Hately <075466@bud.cc.swin.edu.au> wrote: > First question - does anyone know of a magazine called 'dwb' or with a > title that might be abbreviated to those letters. I suspect it's some > sort of Doctor Who magazine. I've been told there was an interview with > Nicholas Young in an issue of it, but I can't identify the magazine. DWB back issues can be obtained through Dreamwatch if they still have copies. The issues of main interest are: General TP article: #102 (November 1992) Nick Young interview: #103 (July 1992) [also has full page repro of series 2 publicity still] Paul Bernard interview: #115 (July 1993) Jez -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darryl Gillikin" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Magazine Questions Date: 13 Jan 1998 00:09:41 PST >First question - does anyone know of a magazine called 'dwb' or with >a >title that might be abbreviated to those letters. DreamWatch Bulletin, or at least DreamWatch, I believe. It was originally Doctor Who Bulletin, IIRC, and that's where the dwb came from. Be seeing you, Darryl "I was dreaming. We were in Paris. You had a branding iron, and there were worms in my baguette..." Drusilla, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer: What's My Line? (part two)" "It's people like that that make you realize how little you've accomplished. It is a sobering thought, for instance, that when Mozart was my age, he had been dead for two years." Tom Lehrer, "That Was the Year that Was." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Matott Subject: Re: TPDIS: What would they say? Date: 13 Jan 1998 11:11:28 -0500 (EST) On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Hal Freeman wrote: > What would the TP think of our opinions about them. I'd love to know > how John would react to your comments, our comments, my comments etc.... > > 3) Lisa wouldn't be there so see it. If she was she's probably not > like my depiction of her as a deserter in "Of Emails, Telepaths, > Hackers, and Sanity". She isn't really discussed. > Not necessarily disagreeing here but: Am I going to have to form some sort of Lisa Davis Memorial Brigade? Am I the *only* person on the list who actually likes the character? (I've counted how many of you have had her "lose" her powers or go into hiding.:-) ) My sequel to Weakest Link is soon on its way. (Hopefully in a few weeks if I my last betas to get back to me and I get the revisions done.) Lisa plays a very important part in it. mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Yates" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Magazine Questions Date: 13 Jan 1998 15:43:52 -0000 -----Original Message----- >First question - does anyone know of a magazine called 'dwb' or with a >title that might be abbreviated to those letters. I suspect it's some >sort of Doctor Who magazine. I've been told there was an interview with >Nicholas Young in an issue of it, but I can't identify the magazine. I think "dwb" is a forerunner of the English fan magazine called "Dreamwatch". (They certainly keep making references to dwb in Dreamwatch!!!) "Live long and Prosper!" David ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Yates" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Poor little Stephen Date: 13 Jan 1998 15:58:26 -0000 >That's the reason why "The Doomsday Men" stands out so much to me - because >the teasing is constant, almost everytime we see Stephen in the Lab. > >Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how > Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears > / |that might turn out to be just what the I don't really remember the series well enough to comment, however, I DO remember the kilt!!! Stephen would have been..........@15 0r so at the time? When I was 15 I'd have NEVER worn a kilt, and if I was forced to do so, any older "friend" calling me "sweet" would have been treated to the most STRONG sarcasm!!! "Live long and Prosper!" David ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeremy Rogers Subject: Re: TPDIS: Poor little Stephen Date: 13 Jan 1998 19:34:59 GMT "David Yates" wrote: > I don't really remember the series well enough to comment, however, I DO > remember the kilt!!! Stephen would have been..........@15 0r so at the > time? When I was 15 I'd have NEVER worn a kilt, and if I was forced to do > so, any older "friend" calling me "sweet" would have been treated to the > most STRONG sarcasm!!! As it happens I was about 15 the only time I have ever worn a kilt. Fortunately noone called me sweet in it, or I might have needed to put the skean-dhu into use. Jez -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Warren Hillsdon" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Magazine Questions Date: 14 Jan 1998 06:56:32 +1100 hi, Your correct the magazine was called back then Dream Watch Bulletin and before that it was called Dr. Who Bulletin. Dreamwatch came into being at issue #130 of DWB and at that point the numbering got reset back to #1 and the magazine totally renamed to Dreamwatch. Hope this helps. Will try and locate the Nicholas Young issue. Warren -----Original Message----- > >-----Original Message----- >From: Shaun Owen Hately <075466@bud.cc.swin.edu.au> >To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com >Date: 13 January 1998 04:48 >Subject: TPDIS: Magazine Questions > > >>First question - does anyone know of a magazine called 'dwb' or with a >>title that might be abbreviated to those letters. I suspect it's some >>sort of Doctor Who magazine. I've been told there was an interview with >>Nicholas Young in an issue of it, but I can't identify the magazine. > > >I think "dwb" is a forerunner of the English fan magazine called >"Dreamwatch". >(They certainly keep making references to dwb in Dreamwatch!!!) > >"Live long and Prosper!" > >David > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Warren Hillsdon" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Magazine Questions Date: 14 Jan 1998 07:07:11 +1100 Hi All, Just check through the issues and found that the Nicholas Young interview appeared in issue.#103 dated July 1992. Took a while as I had to flip through all the issues. In issue #107 they also did a complete guide to the series and got most of the information from Paul Bernard. That issue it quite good with a background to each of the series and Paul's memories of them. Its also the issue that they announce the coming of the new series as well. They also talk about the fire that destroyed the original lab after "Heart of Sogguth" and how it had to be quickly rebuilt in time for Lost Gods. Got me to read it again when I came across it. Hope this helps. Warren ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hal Freeman Subject: Re: TPDIS: List Telepathy Date: 13 Jan 1998 15:59:40 -0600 Ariana B wrote: > Megan wrote: > > Has anyone had blackouts lately?! > > do math classes count? i can never remember them... > As in, can't remember details or it's a big black hole in your memory? > > P.S- My imagination's on a wild streak! I'm probably wrong. > > no, i really think you're on to something here! > How is it that when ever something like this goes through the list members I know about it! The sleep thing, I knew about that too. Nobody had to tell me, I knew. What is going on? Honestly, I beginning to think that humans are evolving! Megan ****** Deja Moo: The feeling that you've heard this Bull before ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ruby Red Subject: Re: TPDIS: What would they say? Date: 14 Jan 1998 06:54:14 +1100 On Tue, Jan 13, 1998 at 11:11:28AM -0500, Michael Matott wrote: > > Am I going to have to form some sort of Lisa Davis Memorial Brigade? Am > I the *only* person on the list who actually likes the character? (I've > counted how many of you have had her "lose" her powers or go into > hiding.:-) ) My sequel to Weakest Link is soon on its way. (Hopefully > in a few weeks if I my last betas to get back to me and I get the revisions > done.) Lisa plays a very important part in it. Be fair; it's not that people dislike Lisa, it's that they are trying to stay within canon and explain why we never see her after the Origin story. -- Ruby Red "Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas any more." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Latimer84 Subject: Re: TPDIS: List Telepathy Date: 13 Jan 1998 21:09:41 EST This (school) year, something like that happened to me. 'member, arpi? I was absolutely convinced that it was our last class of the day. I remembered eating lunch and everything! But everyone told me we hadn't eaten it, and they were right. (Must be a government thing! ;-) -Geoff In a message dated 98-01-13 20:59:03 EST, you write: > well, math classes is more not in detail. but two schools before this > one, i walked into class on tuesday with absolutely no recollection of > monday. literally. so, of course, i assumed it was monday. when > everyone kept trying to tell me that it was tuesday and i had done all > these different things on monday (and even showing me papers that i'd > done and things i'd read) i didn't remember any of it. i started crying > because i thought everyone was playing some joke on me - trying to get me > to believe that it was tuesday when, it was obviously monday. how could > i not remember a whole day? they thought *i* was joking by the same > logic - how could i not remember a whole day? but, since the whole world > seemed to agree, i just accepted it. that was one freaky day, though. > > --Ariana ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hal Freeman Subject: Re: TPDIS: What would they say? Date: 13 Jan 1998 20:30:01 -0600 Ruby Red wrote: > On Tue, Jan 13, 1998 at 11:11:28AM -0500, Michael Matott wrote: > > > > Am I going to have to form some sort of Lisa Davis Memorial > Brigade? Am > > I the *only* person on the list who actually likes the character? > (I've > > counted how many of you have had her "lose" her powers or go into > > hiding.:-) ) My sequel to Weakest Link is soon on its way. > (Hopefully > > in a few weeks if I my last betas to get back to me and I get the > revisions > > done.) Lisa plays a very important part in it. Now I think that Lisa's cool, just as much as the next TP fan, but I'm trying to explain what in heck happened to her after Origin Story! I figure she freaked out. That's just my opinion, though. Besides, in OETHS, she comes back and is one of the good guys. I try to follow cannons in respect for the writers of the show. When somebody creates a show that is as awesome as that, you can't go against it. Tomorrow People was an awesome show, and I'd love to see another season. I may jump on the new season bandwagon if my series doesn't go over! Why do I feel like I'm echoing? Megan ******* Deja Moo- The feeling that you've heard this Bull before ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hal Freeman Subject: Re: TPDIS: List Telepathy Date: 13 Jan 1998 20:34:58 -0600 > well, math classes is more not in detail. but two schools before this > > one, i walked into class on tuesday with absolutely no recollection of > > monday. literally. so, of course, i assumed it was monday. when > everyone kept trying to tell me that it was tuesday and i had done all > > these different things on monday (and even showing me papers that i'd > done and things i'd read) i didn't remember any of it. i started > crying > because i thought everyone was playing some joke on me - trying to get > me > to believe that it was tuesday when, it was obviously monday. how > could > i not remember a whole day? they thought *i* was joking by the same > logic - how could i not remember a whole day? but, since the whole > world > seemed to agree, i just accepted it. that was one freaky day, though. That's happened to me before, and I know. It's like you're losing your mind. Honestly, you feel like having a mental breakdown in class. You forget and you don't know what's going on. It's like "That can't happen, I would remember something. I may not remember stuff, but I'd know that time had passed". Not only do you feel like an idiot, and a loony, you begin to wonder if something happened. It's like falling forever in a second, Megan ******* How much wasted time will you survive? -Duncan Sheik "Wishful Thinking" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tzm" Subject: Re: TPDIS: List Telepathy Date: 13 Jan 1998 23:00:58 -0500 Nah, megan, you are probablly very close to breaking out. Tracey ---------- > > As in, can't remember details or it's a big black hole in your memory? > > > > P.S- My imagination's on a wild streak! I'm probably wrong. > > > > no, i really think you're on to something here! > > > > How is it that when ever something like this goes through the list > members I know about it! The sleep thing, I knew about that too. Nobody > had to tell me, I knew. What is going on? > > Honestly, I beginning to think that humans are evolving! > Megan > > ****** > Deja Moo: The feeling that you've heard this Bull before > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: What would they say? Date: 14 Jan 1998 21:14:49 +1100 > From: Michael Matott > > Not necessarily disagreeing here but: > > Am I going to have to form some sort of Lisa Davis Memorial Brigade? Am > I the *only* person on the list who actually likes the character? (I've > counted how many of you have had her "lose" her powers or go into > hiding.:-) ) My sequel to Weakest Link is soon on its way. (Hopefully > in a few weeks if I my last betas to get back to me and I get the > revisions done.) Lisa plays a very important part in it. I actually do like Lisa - but the problem is like Ruby said. We have to explain her disappearance somehow. The way I'm going to do it isn't very flattering to her at first, but that will clear up over time. I think she was a very powerful character and I wish she had been in more serials. But we have to work with what we have. Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: katnight@juno.com (Kathleen E Riiter) Subject: TPDIS: Dreams Date: 14 Jan 1998 06:50:30 -0800 I was just thinking that we should some day list our dreams on the TP list and see if anyone has any closely related dreams. For congruent dreams is a sign of a telepathic, but that also might be a real scary thought, too. I'd like to know what you people think. Kathie aka Katnight~ "Megabyte, shut-up" -Adam Newman, Tomorrow People ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: katnight@juno.com (Kathleen E Riiter) Subject: Re: TPDIS: List Telepathy Date: 14 Jan 1998 06:56:15 -0800 If one of you do break out you have to teleport over here and show me, ok. If I'd break out I'd do the same for you. Kathie aka Katnight~ "Megabyte, shut-up" -Adam Newman, Tomorrow People ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Matott Subject: Re: TPDIS: What would they say? Date: 14 Jan 1998 14:27:45 -0500 (EST) On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, Ruby Red wrote: > On Tue, Jan 13, 1998 at 11:11:28AM -0500, Michael Matott wrote: > > my rant for Lisa snipped > > Be fair; it's not that people dislike Lisa, it's that they are trying to > stay within canon and explain why we never see her after the Origin story. > I hoped the smiley let enough people know this was something I was just joking about. I'm not mad about it. I just like Lisa and have continued to use her. I didn't feel the need to explain her absence, because in my stories, she never left. She just wasn't around for the other serials. Kind of like Ami in Living Stones. My own possible theory to explain this is that since she lived in America, with a different time zone, it just didn't make sense for her to be involved in Megabyte and Adam's adventures since she was probably asleep during a lot of them! So, Lisa gets involved in my first story because it happens in America. The others get dragged in to help her. If I have a UK story, (which I'm planning), I'll use just the UK based TPs. Frankly, the absence of Kevin is much harder for me to deal with in stories. His absence is just plain weird. He lives not far from Megabyte, we assume, since they went to the same school, and has an aunt who lives near Jade. So, long post short, I don't think Lisa's absence was ever mentioned in cannon, so anything is fair game from anyone. I actually liked some of the stories where she lost her abilities. Made for good drama. (heck, I've liked almost all the stories on the web site) mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "lazerus" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Dreams Date: 14 Jan 1998 18:01:49 -0500 Kathie wrote: >I was just thinking that we should some day list our dreams on the TP >list and see if anyone has any closely related dreams. For congruent >dreams is a sign of a telepathic, but that also might be a real scary >thought, too. I'd like to know what you people think. That sounds like a really cool idea. I have very realistic and often detailed dreams. Does anyone else have dreams that have nothing to do with you and that are completely realistic in every way? Even if your dreams aren't that realistic, it would still interest me. I'm often busy and don't get to write to the list much, but I'll include some short stories of my dreams if others seem interested. Lazerus ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hal Freeman Subject: Re: TPDIS: List Telepathy Date: 14 Jan 1998 19:46:32 -0600 Kathleen E Riiter wrote: > If one of you do break out you have to teleport over here and show me, > > ok. If I'd break out I'd do the same for you. > > Kathie > aka Katnight~ > > "Megabyte, shut-up" -Adam Newman, Tomorrow People Of Course, if I broke out, you'd never hear the end of it! I'm close, I'm close, Megan ****** Megan! Shut up!!!! We know already!!! -What will be said, when I break out, Oh no, there you go Looked away and missed the show -Duncan Shiek "Wishful Thinking" Great Expectations Soundtrack ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tigger Subject: Re: TPDIS: Dreams Date: 14 Jan 1998 21:37:55 -0500 (CDT) Actually, as telepaths only seem to share dreams that are telepathic messages, we should 1) know that a dream isn't a dream 2) be really worried if we all have the same dream. Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: katnight@juno.com (Kathleen E Riiter) Subject: Re: TPDIS: Dreams Date: 14 Jan 1998 20:07:00 -0800 I have really realistic dream so real sometime that I can't tell them from reality. For instance I'll be talking about something and say when I hear it or it happen to me, but it only happen to me in my dream not reality. To Ariana's question: There is two ways we could do it we can catalog dreams for a given amount of time starting on a certain date or just the dream from a certain day. Kathie aka Katnight~ "Megabyte, shut-up," -Adam Newman ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tzm" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Dreams Date: 14 Jan 1998 22:57:59 -0500 I would be interested in knowing this myself. Of course the one dream I have had numerous times that I am sure others have had is in one of 2 forms. 1. They show new eps of the TP 2. They show new eps of the TP and you forget to watch, don't know it is on, or have no blank tape to tape them. Anyone else experience these dreams? Tracey ---------- > > > I was just thinking that we should some day list our dreams on the TP > list and see if anyone has any closely related dreams. For congruent > dreams is a sign of a telepathic, but that also might be a real scary > thought, too. I'd like to know what you people think. > > > > Kathie > aka Katnight~ > > "Megabyte, shut-up" -Adam Newman, Tomorrow People > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hal Freeman Subject: Re: TPDIS: Dreams Date: 14 Jan 1998 23:21:55 -0600 I know a bit about analysing dreams, and would be glad to hear about any that you have. I do believe that there is some sort of intuitive/psychic/telepathic power in some people. Not just because I like the TP. I'm always interested in compiling cases, and I would love to hear more. Send them to me *privately* so that we can keep this *ON topic*. I'll see what I can see, Megan ***** And into the sea of waking dreams I follow without fear -Sarah McLachlan "Possesion" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tigger Subject: Re: TPDIS: Dreams Date: 14 Jan 1998 23:53:25 -0500 (CDT) TZM wrote: >2. They show new eps of the TP and you forget to watch, don't know it is >on, or have no blank tape to tape them. Actually, I watched, but forgot to tape it! (As in, yes, I have had that one.) Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Amy Bridger Subject: Re: TPDIS: Dreams Date: 15 Jan 1998 22:11:18 +0800 At 06:50 AM 14/1/98 -0800, you wrote: >I was just thinking that we should some day list our dreams on the TP >list and see if anyone has any closely related dreams. For congruent >dreams is a sign of a telepathic, but that also might be a real scary >thought, too. I'd like to know what you people think. I'ld love to do something like this! Any chance to talk about the weird dreams I have :) I don't think anyone would have similar ones though (most are about my fave tv show, which is not TTP). -- Amy Bridger (ami@full-moon.com) I am in AUSTRALIA! What I learnt today: Seatbelts are to stop you being thrown about in the back of the car when the driver is a maniac! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Amy Bridger Subject: Re: TPDIS: Dreams Date: 15 Jan 1998 22:20:59 +0800 At 10:57 PM 14/1/98 -0500, you wrote: >I would be interested in knowing this myself. Of course the one dream I >have had numerous times that I am sure others have had is in one of 2 >forms. >1. They show new eps of the TP >2. They show new eps of the TP and you forget to watch, don't know it is >on, or have no blank tape to tape them. >Anyone else experience these dreams? >Tracey I've had similar dreams but about 2 different tv shows. Always the same though, I'm channel surfing and I come upon new episodes of the tv show. I always miss the beginning but I see the rest of the episode. Usually I remember to tape the show. When I wake up the interesting part is I can usually remember what time and channel the show was on so I check the tv guide very carefcully over the next few weeks :) -- Amy Bridger (ami@full-moon.com) I am in AUSTRALIA! What I learnt today: Seatbelts are to stop you being thrown about in the back of the car when the driver is a maniac! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: TPDIS: Screen Captures Date: 16 Jan 1998 01:48:53 +1100 My University has given me access to the TP lab this year (it stands for technical programming - but who cares?) The best thing about this is that I have access to some brilliant computers hooked up to huge scanners and to video players. So I've spent this afternoon screen capturing a bunch of TP related images which I've just added to my page (http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html) There are about 25 new images on there. Some are just pictures of TP actors in other roles from my video collection which I have added to their filmogrpahy entries. But of more interest to people may be the following. I've added screen captures from the unaired new series pilot to the transcript that I have already put on my site. These include images from the opening credits and also some images from the pilot itself. There are two images of Stephen Pollard (the boy who played Kevin in the pilot) so people can see what he looks like. In addition, I've also captured images of the 1970s Tomorrow People from their short Sci-Fi Channel Europe Interviews of 1996. So if you want to see recent images of Nick Young, Elizabeth Adare, Michael Holoway, Peter Vaughan Clarke, Sammie Winmill, and Philip Gilbert they are also on my site now on a subpage called Tomorrow People Today. Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Yates" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Screen Captures Date: 15 Jan 1998 20:09:40 -0000 . But of more interest to people may be the following. > >I've added screen captures from the unaired new series pilot to the >transcript that I have already put on my site. These include images from >the opening credits and also some images from the pilot itself. There are >two images of Stephen Pollard (the boy who played Kevin in the pilot) so >people can see what he looks like. Very impressive! Where DO you get these from? > >In addition, I've also captured images of the 1970s Tomorrow People from >their short Sci-Fi Channel Europe Interviews of 1996. So if you want to see >recent images of Nick Young, Elizabeth Adare, Michael Holoway, Peter >Vaughan Clarke, Sammie Winmill, and Philip Gilbert they are also on my site >now on a subpage called Tomorrow People Today. Awesome!!!!!!!...........And at the sane time depressing!.....Have ALL of us refugees from the seventies aged so much?????? I really only recognised John, Carol and maybe Elizabeth on there. At a real strech I'd probably have guessed Mike; (I never saw the actor who voiced Tim.) But STEPHEN????????? Oh dear! What have the years done to him? I have a copy of an interim picture of him which is at least recognisable AS him, but this latest one??? VERY depressing!!!!!! (P.S. Its my birthday on Sunday, so feeling depressed about matters relating to age is the order of the day!) "Live long and Prosper!" David. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: katnight@juno.com (Kathleen E Riiter) Subject: Re: TPDIS: Dreams Date: 15 Jan 1998 13:09:14 -0800 >I would be interested in knowing this myself. Of course the one dream >I >have had numerous times that I am sure others have had is in one of 2 >forms. >1. They show new eps of the TP >2. They show new eps of the TP and you forget to watch, don't know it >is >on, or have no blank tape to tape them. >Anyone else experience these dreams? >Tracey > I know I have had dreams like that, but I like the ones that I have to save/help the Tomorrow People the best. Kathie aka Katnight~ "Megabyte, shut-up" -Adam Newman, Tomorrow People ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Caroline Fales Subject: Re: TPDIS: Screen Captures Date: 15 Jan 1998 16:15:49 -0500 At 08:09 PM 1/15/98 -0000, you wrote: > > >. But of more interest to people may be the following. >> >>I've added screen captures from the unaired new series pilot to the >>transcript that I have already put on my site. These include images from >>the opening credits and also some images from the pilot itself. There are >>two images of Stephen Pollard (the boy who played Kevin in the pilot) so >>people can see what he looks like. > >Very impressive! Where DO you get these from? > Yes, Shaun, where did you get the pics from? I was under the impression that the original new series pilot had been stuck on a shelf in some dark corner somewhere, along with all the production stills and things like that. Caroline _________________ "They will tell you You can't sleep alone in a strange place. Then they'll tell you can't sleep with someone else Ah but sooner or later, you sleep in your own space. Either way, it's okay, you wake up with yourself. --Billy Joel, "My Life" "Nothing is lost, Sassenach; only changed." "That's the first law of thermodynamics." "No," he said, "That's faith." --Jamie and Claire (Sassenach), "Drums of Autumn," Diana Gabaldon. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Yates" Subject: TPDIS: Older Stephen........................A second opinion Date: 16 Jan 1998 00:37:55 -0000 Before the Stephen fan club begin throwing rocks at me, I've changed my mind...........I've just had three pictures of "Stephen" up on my screen together, 1) Peter Vaughn Clarke playing Stephen @1975 2) PVC aged @ 19 3) PVC today........ If you look closely you CAN recognise that it IS him after all! (ageing is STILL a depressing thought.) "Live long and prosper!" DAVID. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tzm" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Dreams Date: 15 Jan 1998 23:22:03 -0500 Yep I have had a few of those myself and yes they are good especially if I to am a TP. Tracey ---------- > > I know I have had dreams like that, but I like the ones that I have to > save/help the Tomorrow People the best. > > Kathie > aka Katnight~ > > "Megabyte, shut-up" -Adam Newman, Tomorrow People > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Caroline Fales Subject: Re: TPDIS: Dreams Date: 15 Jan 1998 23:53:08 -0500 At 01:09 PM 1/15/98 -0800, you wrote: >I know I have had dreams like that, but I like the ones that I have to >save/help the Tomorrow People the best. > >Kathie >aka Katnight~ > >"Megabyte, shut-up" -Adam Newman, Tomorrow People Those are the best kinds of dreams about the TP; it's even better when you suddenly discover that you're a TP, too, in the course of the dream. Caroline _________________ "They will tell you You can't sleep alone in a strange place. Then they'll tell you can't sleep with someone else Ah but sooner or later, you sleep in your own space. Either way, it's okay, you wake up with yourself. --Billy Joel, "My Life" "Nothing is lost, Sassenach; only changed." "That's the first law of thermodynamics." "No," he said, "That's faith." --Jamie and Claire (Sassenach), "Drums of Autumn," Diana Gabaldon. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tigger Subject: Re: TPDIS: Older Stephen........................A second opinion Date: 15 Jan 1998 23:12:31 -0600 (CST) >If you look closely you CAN recognise that it IS him after all! I'm impressed. I squinted really hard and still couldn't recognize him-- but I can't put three next to each other, unfortunately (let's just say I can't use Netscape from my own computer at the moment, fortunately, Lynx works just fine for most things). Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rachael Bailey" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Screen Captures Date: 16 Jan 1998 00:28:46 PST > Yes, Shaun, where did you get the pics from? I was under the >impression that the original new series pilot had been stuck on a shelf in >some dark corner somewhere, along with all the production stills and things >like that. It has crawled out from under the shelf and headed down under for a holiday. For those of u who haven't seen it, it is hilarious!!!!!!!!!!! Rachael with an A ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tracey.dutton@cableinet.co.uk Subject: Re: TPDIS: Screen Captures Date: 16 Jan 1998 12:53:39 +0000 They're a great addition to The Lab, It's interesting to see what the actors looked like in footage I've not yet seen. Any further additions planned? Tracey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Warren Hillsdon" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Screen Captures Date: 17 Jan 1998 09:08:08 +1100 Don't we all feel depressed about seeing people that we used to watch grow old. Sometimes its harder watching the people that you saw when you were growing up age Oh well - anyone for a reunion movie? W. . -----Original Message----- Awesome!!!!!!!...........And at the sane time depressing!.....Have ALL of us >refugees from the seventies aged so much?????? >I really only recognised John, Carol and maybe Elizabeth on there. At a >real strech I'd probably have guessed Mike; (I never saw the actor who >voiced Tim.) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Screen Captures Date: 17 Jan 1998 10:12:09 +1100 > From: Caroline Fales > > At 08:09 PM 1/15/98 -0000, you wrote: > > > > > >. But of more interest to people may be the following. > >> > >>I've added screen captures from the unaired new series pilot to the > >>transcript that I have already put on my site. These include images > >>from the opening credits and also some images from the pilot itself. > >>There are two images of Stephen Pollard (the boy who played Kevin in > >>the pilot) so people can see what he looks like. > > > >Very impressive! Where DO you get these from? > > > > Yes, Shaun, where did you get the pics from? I was under the > impression that the original new series pilot had been stuck on a shelf > in some dark corner somewhere, along with all the production stills and > things like that. That was always my impression too. Where do I get these things from? It depends on what you are talking about. The pilot came from someone on this list, who I believe got it from the editor of a TP fanzine - I have no idea where that person got it from. Basically, I was in #TomorrowPeople one Sunday and someone there mentioned just casually that they had the new series pilot. I asked where they got it, and eventually asked if I could get a copy. They said yes, so I sent them some money for it (or more correctly, I sent half the money and Rachael Bailey sent half as well). The pilot is only about 25 minutes long. Most people probably know about my filmography - what they may or may not know is that it's my hope to one day have an example of every program a TP actor has been in. Sometimes that is easy - they are on shows that are rerun today or movies that are available on video. Some things aren't and with three different people from whom I've got TP tapes in the past, I've also managed to get other appearances which are used to fill up blank tape. That's where the Sci-Fi channel interviews came from - people used them to fill up blank tape after copying episodes. Anyone who's got any tapes from me, knows that I send them a lit of my TP tidbits along with how long they are and they can choose what they want to fill up any excess tape that they are getting (with the way video tapes are sold here, a 180 minute tape is normally the most cost effective - they are cheaper than 30 minute tapes for example so there can be a lot of space at times). Other people who've sent me tapes have done the same basic thing. There are also other people around who seem to have the same desire as me to save anything with a TP actor in it. At the moment, I'm swapping a tape of my TP tidbits with someone else who has some things I don't have (Nicholas Young, Peter Vaughan Clarke, and Michael Holoway appearances IIRC). I'll attach a (mostly complete) list of my tidbits below - this is most of the stuff I have although there are a few minor items missing. This is just so you can see how seriously I take this. (What me? Obsessed?) TP TIDBITS An episode of The Ice House (Episode 3) co-starring Alexandra Milman (Jade) as Jane Mayberry. 53 minutes approximate length. An episode of Flipper (Surf Gang) co-starring Kristian Schmid (Adam) as Dan. 42 minutes approximate length. An episode of Ripping Yarns (The Curse of the Claw) co-starring Nigel Rhodes (Andrew) as Young Kevin. 32 minutes approximate length. Outtakes from 'The Living Stones' - simply put, just footage that was never used or that was refilmed. 28 minutes approximate length. An episode of Are You Afraid of the Dark? (The Tale of Laughing In The Dark) starring Christian Tessier (Megabyte) as Josh. 25 minutes approximate length. An episode of Doctor In Charge (The Research Unit) co-starring Sammie Winmill (Carol) as Nurse Sandra Crumpton. 24 minutes approximate length. The unaired new series pilot "A Bad Dream Gets Real". 24 minutes approximate length. Jackanory: Episode 5 of 'Two Weeks With the Queen', narrated by Kristian Schmid (Adam). 13 minutes approximate length. Science Fiction Channel (Europe) shorts from 1996. Includes appearances by Nicholas Young (John), Elizabeth Adare (Elizabeth), Sammie Winmill (Carol), Peter Vaughan Clarke (Stephen), Michael Holloway (Mike), and Philip Gilbert (TIM). 12 minutes approximate length. Going Live! (British program) appearance by Kristian Schmid (Adam), including an excerpt from Neighbours. 9 minutes approximate length. Behind the scenes footage of Monsoon Man, obtained by someone following the film crew around with a video camera. 7 minutes approximate length. A serious interview with Kristian Schmid (Adam) on a British adult's program (I don't know which one) from 1994. 7 minutes approximate length. Big Breakfast (British children's morning program) appearance by Kristian Schmid (Adam), Naomie Harris (Ami), and Alexandra Milman (Jade). It's rather strange and includes Kristian Schmid showing everyone his underwear. 7 minutes approximate length. An appearance by Nicholas Young (John) as Legs Luigi in the film 'Adventures of a Private Eye'. He plays an Italian gangster who finds a naked man in his wife's room and chases him around with a switch blade. 6 minutes approximate length. Big Breakfast appearance by Kristian Schmid (Adam). 6 minutes approximate length. What's Up Doc? appearance by Kristian Schmid (Adam) from 1995. 6 minutes approximate length. An appearance by Nicholas Young (John) as Jack Thayer in 'S.O.S. Titanic'. 5 minutes approximate length. Rolf's Cartoon Club appearance by Kristian Schmid (Adam). 5 minutes approximate length An appearance by Nicholas Young (John) as Myles Radford in an episode of Upstairs, Downstairs (unable to identify episode but it is first season) where he plays a man accused of rape. 4 minutes approximate length. A 'The Disney Club' appearance by Naomie Harris (Ami) from 1994. She appears in a sequence of scenes also containing Sylvester McCoy (Doctor Who). 4 minutes approximate length. An interview with Kristian Schmid (Adam) from 1992, which takes place on rollerblades. 3 minutes approximate length. What's Up Doc? Appearance by Kristian Schmid (Adam). 3 minutes approximate length. What's Up Doc? Appearance by Kristian Schmid (Adam). 2 minutes approximate length Michael Holloway (Mike) leading a singing performance from the stage musical 'Robin, Prince of Sherwood' from 1994. 2 minutes approximate length. Montage of some of the 'most famous deaths in Australian TV history' taken from "Where Are They Now?" an Australian nostalgia program. It includes a very brief scene of Kristian Schmid (Adam) as Todd Landers being run down by a van in Neighbours. 1 minute approximate length. CITV (UK) promotion for their children's shows of 1995 including the Tomorrow People. 1 minute approximate length. CITV (UK) promotion for 'The Living Stones'. 1 minute approximate length. CITV (UK) promotion for 'The Rameses Connection'. 1 minute approximate length. Scene from 'Bullseye!' containing appearance by Jeff Harding (General Damon). 1 minute approximate length. Scene from 'The Day of the Jackal' containing appearance by Nicholas Young (John). I minute approximate length. Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Screen Captures Date: 17 Jan 1998 10:36:16 +1100 > From: tracey.dutton@cableinet.co.uk > > They're a great addition to The Lab, It's interesting to see what the > actors looked like in footage I've not yet seen. Any further additions > planned? It depends - are there any requests? I basically have nothing planned at the moment - I have considered making wav files of some of the Sci-Fi channel interviews, but I'd need to work out where to put them first (I've almost filled my 5 meg quota). But if people want any images they can always ask, and I may be able to do them - I've got a reasonable amount of spare time for the next five weeks or so. The script for the pilot is on my page - if there's a scene from that people want for example, I may be able to capture it. I'll also be capturing more images of TP actors in other roles as they become available and I may try and get better captures for some than I've already managed. Basically I update my page whenever I get an idea - so if people want to give me ideas . . . Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tzm" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Older Stephen........................A second opinion Date: 16 Jan 1998 19:26:16 -0500 I cannot put the pics together either and although I agree that PVC has changed quite a bit since he was a teenager I don't think he looks bad or old for that matter. Tracey ---------- > > > >If you look closely you CAN recognise that it IS him after all! > I'm impressed. I squinted really hard and still couldn't recognize him-- but I > can't put three next to each other, unfortunately (let's just say I can't use > Netscape from my own computer at the moment, fortunately, Lynx works just fine > for most things). > Tigger > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hal Freeman Subject: TPDIS: Icestorm- TP Style Date: 16 Jan 1998 19:53:10 -0600 Okay guys, Let me tell you what happened today, and*all* of it was revelant to the TP! We've been without power for the last fourteen hours. That means no computer, no tv, nothing! We have a fireplace and that was it. All day I kept trying to break out. I mean *really* trying to break out! I hung upside down from the couch, and repeated the words, "Break out, break out, break out...." until my sister threatened to strangle me. Then decided to try and sleep. I slept for at least a nice few hours, trying to see if I could dream about breaking out. I didn't. Then I tried to contact Adam and Megabyte to come and get me outta there. Nobody came. I got a nasty headache though, which cheered me up. My sister thought I had gone completely nuts if I was happy over a headache. I wasn't going to explain. She begged me to take aspirin and I threatened to give her a noogie if she even thought about it. I was making sure that if she was TP, her mind control powers didn't flare up. By this time I think I was going nuts. After that, I thought of baking brownies for good measure, then promptly remembered I had no electricity. no ingredients + no power = no brownies. Next I attempted to bore myself into breaking out. So I read the phone book and had too much fun laughing at the wacky names I found, and then I also had trouble whenever I'd run over and Adam, Kevin, Lisa, Ami, Jade or the surnames Newman, Damon, Weston, Jackson, Wilson, and Davies (Davis, too). I decided to count the bumps on the ceiling. I counted 1,903 before I decided to give it up. I also kept falling asleep. I began to think of causes for this icestorm. My first thought was "Monsoon Man". I then remembered he was in England, but I'm convinced that migrated her to cause me a major pain in the neck! I re-read every book I had trying to find small TP references. I found like fourteen in my Star Wars books (telepathy, telekinesis etc...). I then came up with this theory: "All self aware living things have psychokinesis/telekinesis. However, the dormancy/activity of this psychokinesis/telepathy depends upon the evolution, intelligence, and general ability of the species. A species that is instinctively violent (i.e ram's that butt head for mates, lions that kill cheetah cubs etc...) will not have active psychokinesis/telepathy until such an evolutionary step is taken where violence isn't a vital part of life. All species will eventually evolve to this step, as it is the evolutionary goal of all species that innately self aware." My sister then asked if I wore a size 8 or a size 9 in a straight jacket. In the end I did what every self respecting TP fan would do, I wrote fan fiction to pass the time. I now have nine pages of some adventure where all the TP go nuts, and I'm the only sane person in the bunch. Believe me, it's wacky. Adam's got MAHS (M ad A ustralian H ugging S yndrome) so he's hugging anything with arms, and he's hugged a few trees, and General Damon. Megabyte has hacked every possible target and is subscribing to every mailing list he can get his hands on. Jade's madly in love and knows only one word: Megabyte. You could ask her anything and she'll say Megabyte "What's your favourite food, Jade?" "Megabyte." "Where do you go to school, Jade?" "Megabyte." "100 bytes equals a what, Jade?" "Megabyte." Kevin refuses to speak for fourty days. Ami's running around with her arms waving madly in the air screaming "THE BLUE AND THE GREEN! OH NO!" for no reason whatsoever and Lisa's acting like a dog for the Hollywood producer from "Origin Story." Then there's good ol' sane me. Between trying to pry Adam off of me, and getting Kevin to talk it's getting crazy. I've still got no idea what "The Blue and the Green" mean, and I've taken Lisa to obidence school. I'm now in the process of building Jade's vocabulary. Starting with M's. I can get her to say Damon as well. It's progress. So that's what a TP will do with 14 hours of no power, Megan ********* I've lost my mind, and I've gone nuts I'm in my own rosy craze But don't discount me yet, 'Cause I see the world in a blurry haze -Crazy Minds (poem) Me! We filled his head with cannonballs And we powdered his behind And when we shot the powder off The 'gator lost his mind! -"Battle of New Orleans" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tzm" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Screen Captures Date: 16 Jan 1998 19:45:28 -0500 I definitely vote for a renunion movie on TV or in theaters as long as it comes to the states, Tracey ---------- > > > Oh well - anyone for a reunion movie? > > > W. > > . > -----Original Message----- > From: David Yates > To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com > Date: Friday, 16 January 1998 7:11 > Subject: Re: TPDIS: Screen Captures > > > Awesome!!!!!!!...........And at the sane time depressing!.....Have ALL of us > >refugees from the seventies aged so much?????? > >I really only recognised John, Carol and maybe Elizabeth on there. At a > >real strech I'd probably have guessed Mike; (I never saw the actor who > >voiced Tim.) > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tzm" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Screen Captures Date: 16 Jan 1998 20:06:58 -0500 I would love to hear some quotes from the 1996 interviews. That would be great. Tracey ---------- > > It depends - are there any requests? I basically have nothing planned at > the moment - I have considered making wav files of some of the Sci-Fi > channel interviews, but I'd need to work out where to put them first (I've > almost filled my 5 meg quota). > > But if people want any images they can always ask, and I may be able to do > them - I've got a reasonable amount of spare time for the next five weeks > or so. The script for the pilot is on my page - if there's a scene from > that people want for example, I may be able to capture it. > > I'll also be capturing more images of TP actors in other roles as they > become available and I may try and get better captures for some than I've > already managed. > > Basically I update my page whenever I get an idea - so if people want to > give me ideas . . . > > Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how > Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears > / |that might turn out to be just what the > o=== ======================- |species needs.' > \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' > drednort@eisa.net.au | > http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jane Starr Subject: Re: TPDIS: Older Stephen........................A second Date: 16 Jan 1998 19:15:09 -0700 At 07:26 PM 1/16/98 -0500, Tracey wrote: > >I cannot put the pics together either and although I agree that PVC has >changed quite a bit since he was a teenager I don't think he looks bad or >old for that matter. Actually, I thought he looked quite good. Reminds me of my brother (also named Peter), except my brother tends towards the three day stubble look, and his nose has been broken. He's only 33 - not a grown up yet. Jane Jane Starr starr@planet.eon.net 9518-91 st., Edmonton, Alberta, Canada T6C 3P5 check out the new ON SPEC web page at www.icomm.ca/onspec/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hal Freeman Subject: TPDIS: Test......Ignore Date: 17 Jan 1998 03:30:01 -0600 Is the list working or what? My emails went funky, I need Megabyte over here! Megan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sun Star77 Subject: TPDIS: Tp sighting (sort of) Date: 17 Jan 1998 14:04:09 EST I was watching my all time favorite movie, Labyrinth and was watching the credits when I saw that Danny John-Jules (Byron Lucifer in The Living Stones) provided the voices for Firey number 3 and number 4. Just thought anyone doing a filmography might be interested. Kate "That's not fair! You say that so often. I wonder what your basis for comparision is." Sarah and Jareth, Labyrinth ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Temesha Chatman Subject: RE: TPDIS: Screen Captures Date: 17 Jan 1998 14:43:26 -0500 After much begging from my folks, I got a screen capture card for Christmas, so I'm also working on a page of TP Images and Sounds (and eventually more episode synopses and fanfic). It'll have images from the old series and new series (many thanks to Wendy), and some from the new series pilot (many thanks to Shaun). Like Shaun, I'm also collecting non-TP performances of the actors. I have copies of both of Christian Tessier's episodes of "Are You Afraid of the Dark?" and one of his movies, "Natural Enemy." I also have Kristian Schmid's appearance on "Flipper" (again, thanks to Shaun). I'll put images from these shows up on the site, too. The site is still in progress. I'll post the URL when it's ready. Take care, Temesha ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: arpitp@juno.com (Ariana B) Subject: Re: TPDIS: Screen Captures Date: 01 Jan 1998 06:56:17 -0500 Shaun wrote: > Where do I get these things from? It depends on what you are talking about. > The pilot came from someone on this list, who I believe got it from the > editor of a TP fanzine - I have no idea where that person got it from. TP fanzine? is it still in production? --Ariana "If I was telepathic, if I could teleport, it would be the dream of my life come true!" --Megabyte Damon, The Tomorrow People ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: arpitp@juno.com (Ariana B) Subject: Re: TPDIS: Icestorm- TP Style Date: 01 Jan 1998 06:57:59 -0500 > Okay guys, Let me tell you what happened today, and*all* of it was > revelant to the TP! and i thought that i was going crazy for jumping out of my seat (i didn't think about it, i just did it) when my teacher announced that "Jaunt" was one of our vocab words. she then said "ariana, since you're standing up, why don't you tell us what it means". as you can imagine, i got a very odd look when i announced that it was an original series TP slang term for Teleport. --Ariana "If I was telepathic, if I could teleport, it would be the dream of my life come true!" --Megabyte Damon, The Tomorrow People ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rachael Bailey" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Screen Captures Date: 17 Jan 1998 14:32:31 PST They said yes, so I sent >them some money for it (or more correctly, I sent half the money and >Rachael Bailey sent half as well). so it's half mine :) >An appearance by Nicholas Young (John) as Legs Luigi in the film >'Adventures of a Private Eye'. He plays an Italian gangster who finds a >naked man in his wife's room and chases him around with a switch blade. 6 >minutes approximate length. Don't watch it it's nightmare material. Rachael with an A ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rachael Bailey" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Older Stephen........................A second Date: 17 Jan 1998 14:37:47 PST >I cannot put the pics together either and although I agree that PVC has >changed quite a bit since he was a teenager I don't think he looks bad or >old for that matter. >Tracey > He still looks good and when u listen to the interviews he is soooooooooooooooooooo funny. Rachael with an A and a soft spot for Stephen ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tracey.dutton@cableinet.co.uk Subject: TPDIS: TP Fanzine Date: 17 Jan 1998 23:10:13 +0000 Ariana B wrote: > TP fanzine? is it still in production? > > --Ariana > For those of you on this list who may be interested, heres the address for the fanzine in question: Spectra Shift 21 Plas Penrhyn Penrhyn Bay Llandudno LL30 3EU North Wales UK Or you could email the editor Laith Jawzi for further details s9503559@llandrillo.ac.uk. The fanzine is still in production, comes out 4 times a year and issue 5 is out at the end of this month. Tracey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tracey.dutton@cableinet.co.uk Subject: Re: TPDIS: Screen Captures Date: 17 Jan 1998 23:16:38 +0000 Rachael Bailey wrote: > > >An appearance by Nicholas Young (John) as Legs Luigi in the film > >'Adventures of a Private Eye'. > > Don't watch it it's nightmare material. Why's that Rachael? :) Hmmm...Mind you I've just seen the second pic from the film at The Lab. NY looks like he's playing an unpleasant character...:) Tracey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tigger Subject: Re: TPDIS: Screen Captures Date: 17 Jan 1998 18:29:33 -0600 (CST) Rachael wrote: >>'Adventures of a Private Eye'. He plays an Italian gangster who finds a >>naked man in his wife's room and chases him around with a switch blade. >>6 minutes approximate length. >Don't watch it it's nightmare material Don't I know it. Seriously, best to just watch the six minutes with NIck than the whole thing. Trust me! Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hal Freeman Subject: Re: TPDIS: Older Stephen........................A second Date: 17 Jan 1998 19:11:27 -0600 Rachael Bailey wrote: > >I cannot put the pics together either and although I agree that PVC > has > >changed quite a bit since he was a teenager I don't think he looks > bad > or > >old for that matter. > >Tracey > > > > He still looks good and when u listen to the interviews he is > soooooooooooooooooooo funny. > > I should have been born at least fifteen years earlier than I was. My dad was privilaged enough to be the right age to watch it and he doesn't remember a thing! Not even _John_! If _I_ saw John I would remember John. But does my dad remember? Nooooo. My mom hates sci-fi and avoids it like the Plague. So nobody in my family remembers the Tomorrow People. Waaaahhhh! No Fair! Megan ****** Oh no, there you go turned your head and missed the show -Duncan Sheik "Wishful Thinking" Great Expectations Soundtrack ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hal Freeman Subject: Re: TPDIS: Screen Captures Date: 17 Jan 1998 19:16:29 -0600 Tigger wrote: > Rachael wrote: > >>'Adventures of a Private Eye'. He plays an Italian gangster who > finds a > >>naked man in his wife's room and chases him around with a switch > blade. > >>6 minutes approximate length. > > >Don't watch it it's nightmare material > > Don't I know it. > > Seriously, best to just watch the six minutes with NIck than the > whole thing. > Trust me!Tigger Why do I not believe you? Megan **** Gravity: It's not just a good idea it's the law! -Anne Martin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tigger Subject: Re: TPDIS: Screen Captures Date: 18 Jan 1998 11:58:37 -0600 (CST) >Why do I not believe you? I have no idea. But it is a horrid movie with a non-existant plot. Not to mention your parents' reaction if they caught you watching the thing! Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hal Freeman Subject: Re: TPDIS: Screen Captures Date: 18 Jan 1998 12:46:34 -0600 Tigger wrote: > >Why do I not believe you? > I have no idea. But it is a horrid movie with a non-existant plot. > Not to mention your parents' reaction if they caught you watching the > thing!Tigger My parents wouldn't really care. They'd be glad I wasn't on the 'net for a change. Besides, movies like that never scare me. I can watch anything. They serve one purpose (besides money at the box office) they make the Tomorrow People look that much better. Scary movies, zzzzz, Megan ******* "Surely you can't be serious" "I couldn't be more serious, and don't call me Shirley." -Airplane! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Megan Delaney Subject: Re: TPDIS: Screen Captures Date: 18 Jan 1998 15:22:20 -0600 (CST) > My parents wouldn't really care. They'd be glad I wasn't on the 'net > for a change. Besides, movies like that never scare me. I can watch > anything. They serve one purpose (besides money at the box office) they > make the Tomorrow People look that much better. > Scary movies, zzzzz, > Megan _Adentures of Private Eye_ isn't exactly scary; it is more the lack of a plot and gratuitous nudity in every scene that disturbs me. And might disturb your parents, as well, Megan. Maria ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Screen Captures Date: 19 Jan 1998 10:59:59 +1100 > From: Megan Delaney > > _Adentures of Private Eye_ isn't exactly scary; it is more the lack of a > plot and gratuitous nudity in every scene that disturbs me. And might > disturb your parents, as well, Megan. Personally, I rather like the movie. Parts of it are very funny IMHO - the comedy is almost slapstick, and the bit with Nick Young is one of the funniest parts (and very useful for playing tricks on certain people . . .) BTW, to anyone I am sending the movie clip too and who have been worried by Maria's description of it, don't be. I am only sending the Nicholas Young section of it which contains no real nudity. Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rachael Bailey" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Screen Captures Date: 18 Jan 1998 20:05:13 PST >> _Adentures of Private Eye_ isn't exactly scary; it is more the lack of a >> plot and gratuitous nudity in every scene that disturbs me. The movie was fine the scary part was NICK YOUNG!!!!!!!!!!!!! (OK so I really don't like John,but everyone already knew that) >Personally, I rather like the movie. Parts of it are very funny IMHO - the >comedy is almost slapstick, and the bit with Nick Young is one of the >funniest parts (and very useful for playing tricks on certain people . . .) > Yes well after seeing this movie and knowing Shaun I suggest we get TIM to teleport him to a mental hospital. Rachael with an A ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rachael Bailey" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Screen Captures Date: 18 Jan 1998 20:06:02 PST >> _Adventures of Private Eye_ isn't exactly scary; it is more the lack of a >> plot and gratuitous nudity in every scene that disturbs me. The movie was fine the scary part was NICK YOUNG!!!!!!!!!!!!! (OK so I really don't like John,but everyone already knew that) >Personally, I rather like the movie. Parts of it are very funny IMHO - the >comedy is almost slapstick, and the bit with Nick Young is one of the >funniest parts (and very useful for playing tricks on certain people . . .) > Yes well after seeing this movie and knowing Shaun I suggest we get TIM to teleport him to a mental hospital. Rachael with an A ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hal Freeman Subject: Re: TPDIS: Screen Captures Date: 18 Jan 1998 22:53:57 -0600 Echo? cho? ho? o? I'm so dumb, that I didn't get it until message two! Sorry, Brain Fart, Megan ***** Oh yeah, fooled again I don't know how and I don't know when Nothing much today, but wishful thinking -Duncan Shiek "Wishful Thinking" Great Expectations Soundtrack ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hal Freeman Subject: TPDIS: Mental Health Date: 18 Jan 1998 22:59:56 -0600 > Yes well after seeing this movie and knowing Shaun I suggest we get > TIM > to teleport him to a mental hospital. Hey! If he goes, I go! He's my beta reader, you can comit later, but first he's got to beta read my story. So wait your turn! I'm beginning to wonder if Shaun shouldn't change his name to Stephen! My poor little beta reader, I have to save him from Tigger! Megan ****** We've got to lose our minds to find our souls We've got to empty out the closets to fill the holes -"Salvation is a Telepathic Silence" Me! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tigger Subject: Re: TPDIS: Mental Health Date: 18 Jan 1998 23:15:16 -0600 (CST) Megan Freeman wrote: > I'm beginning to wonder if Shaun shouldn't change his name to Stephen! >My poor little beta reader, I have to save him from Tigger! Wait a minute, wait a minute. Stop the execution! I didn't say Shaun needed to be committed that was Racheal with an a. I'm on your side, we can't commit him, who else is gonna finish Exodus, anyway? (If I never find out what covert mission Hsui Tai was on that had Mike so worried, I'll go Boom! (Boom! Boom! Boom! Boom! Boom.)). Megan, get some sleep, you clearly need it. Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hal Freeman Subject: Re: TPDIS: Mental Health Date: 19 Jan 1998 00:03:53 -0600 > Megan, get some sleep, you clearly need it. > Tigger That obvious, eh? Insomnia gets to the best of us I guess. I've been trying to wear myself out by doing four fanfics at the same time. It's just now 12:05! I've got a good three hour stretch to go. I think you oughta comit me too! Racheal with an a, Tigger, Ami, Jade, Hsui Tai, Liz, Shaun, Mike, whoever. I'm going nuts, but I am writing some darn good fan fic in the mean time Look at the bright side, at least now I only have to save Shaun from Racheal with an a. I don't require _that_ much sleep, I've always been able to get by on six hours and be just fine in the mornings. The brain is strange creature, Megan **** We've got to lose our minds to find our souls We've got to empty out the closets to fill the hole -"Salvation is a Telepathic Silence" Me! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Mental Health Date: 19 Jan 1998 22:43:52 +1100 > From: Tigger > > Megan Freeman wrote: > > I'm beginning to wonder if Shaun shouldn't change his name to Stephen! > >My poor little beta reader, I have to save him from Tigger! > Wait a minute, wait a minute. Stop the execution! > > I didn't say Shaun needed to be committed that was Racheal with an a. Don't worry - I'm safe. About the only evidence Rachael could ever come up with to get me committed, would have to be the TP related conversations that we have. And then she'd wind up in the rubber room next door. > I'm on your side, we can't commit him, who else is gonna finish Exodus, > anyway? > (If I never find out what covert mission Hsui Tai was on that had Mike so > worried, I'll go Boom! (Boom! Boom! Boom! Boom! Boom.)). Eeeeep! I don't want Tigger to explode. I guess I'll have to finish that little story at some stage. Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rachael Bailey" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Mental Health Date: 19 Jan 1998 15:37:31 PST >Don't worry - I'm safe. About the only evidence Rachael could ever come up >with to get me committed, would have to be the TP related conversations >that we have. And then she'd wind up in the rubber room next door. and each of them is at least an hour long, ok then I'll be nice. well today at any rate because, for those of you who don't have the misfortune/pleasure (take your pick)of knowing Shaun personally, it is our wonderful resident genius's Birthday today. Yep Shaun is turning 23. On the 20th of January 1975 the world changed for ever. Anyway Shaun HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rachael with an A (it is ael not eal) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rachael Bailey" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Mental Health Date: 19 Jan 1998 15:45:11 PST >Don't worry - I'm safe. About the only evidence Rachael could ever come up >with to get me committed, would have to be the TP related conversations >that we have. And then she'd wind up in the rubber room next door. and each of them is at least an hour long, ok then I'll be nice. well today at any rate because, for those of you who don't have the misfortune/pleasure (take your pick)of knowing Shaun personally, it is our wonderful resident genius's Birthday today. Yep Shaun is turning 23. On the 20th of January 1975 the world changed for ever. Anyway Shaun HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tzm" Subject: TPDIS: TIM Date: 19 Jan 1998 21:30:11 -0500 My brother wants to know where TIM came from? Who created him? How he got in contact with the TP and the Galactic Trig? Tracey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rachael Bailey" Subject: Re: TPDIS: TIM Date: 19 Jan 1998 18:58:54 PST Question about TIM: I know the answer, it is explained in one of the old series episodes, but because i am no good at explaining i'll let shaun answer as we all know he knows it. Rachael with an A ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jane Starr Subject: Re: Fwd: TPDIS: Screen Captures Date: 19 Jan 1998 21:16:18 -0700 Shaun wrote (in response to a message I sent from work where I can't post to the list): >I'm glad you like them! Personally I was a bit stunned when I saw Peter >Vaughan-Clarke, >I hadn't pictured him at all that way. His voice hasn't changed much >though ] I guess we all really need to see the video clips - it is far easier to judge how a person has aged from a moving clip than a still. One picture really tells you very little, and many people who look terrible in photos are actually incredibly interesting and far more attractive when seen in action. I'm trying to think of a good example (besides my husband, whom none of you would recognize if he ran over you in his Mini). Jimmy Nail, maybe - I mean, the guy is bloody funny looking, but you watch Spender, and you change your view. For instance, of all of them, for all that in many ways he hasn't changed much, Nick Young seemed - I don't know - less interesting than I remember him. I don't mean that in a physical attraction sense - more in a sense that he hasn't the edge one would expect in someone whose life is being spent secretly saving the world in big and small ways while trying not to get caught by the PTB. Which of course NY isn't - John is, and NY really isn't John . Hasn't been for nearly 20 years. But that is only one picture - to see him moving and talking and interacting with other people might change my perspective quite a bit. Elizabeth Adare I looked at and said "yeah, that's Liz." Even the short hair looked right for her, which her various hairstyles on the show never did (to me). PVC, just from the picture, seemed more animated, more vital, more with-it somehow (maybe it was the hair again :) ), which is how I like to think Stephen would have grown up. I'd seen some other pictures of Mike Holoway on the ESP page, so he wasn't much of a shock, although he looks more like Donny Osmond in these ones :) It is very difficult for me to imagine how children will turn out. It is a great pity that there isn't a picture of the adult Dean Lawrence - I think I'd have more trouble recognizing him in an adult than PVC. Ditto Stephen Salmon. But then, they weren't on the show as long as Stephen was - we had more chance to see him change, and so the final result, while perhaps not what we expected, is still something that is logical out of the progression (if he'd put on 400 pounds maybe I wouldn't be saying that). Jane Starr starr@planet.eon.net Jane Starr starr@planet.eon.net 9518-91 st., Edmonton, Alberta, Canada T6C 3P5 check out the new ON SPEC web page at www.icomm.ca/onspec/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hal Freeman Subject: Re: TPDIS: TIM Date: 19 Jan 1998 22:42:58 -0600 tzm wrote: > My brother wants to know where TIM came from? No idea. > Who created him? John and Timus assembled him. > How he got in contact with the TP and the Galactic Trig? > Number two answers number three part 1. > Tracey No disassemble!Megan (who watched a little too much Short Circuit) ***** I had a dream that I died and went to heaven and I saw God. God sneezed and I didn't know what to say to him. -Red Skeleton Acting on your best behaviour Turn your back on mother nature -Tears for Fears "Everybody wants to rule the world" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tigger Subject: Re: TPDIS: TIM Date: 19 Jan 1998 23:12:13 -0600 (CST) Buzzer! Tracey wrote: >My brother wants to know where TIM came from? The Trig. >Who created him? He was initiated by Timon Irnok Mantar, close clone brother to Timus and Tikno (cf Worlds Away). >How he got in contact with the TP and the Galactic Trig? No cannonical explanation. Read Shaun's "Making Connections" for the Fanfic one. tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PANNELLJ@delphi.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Screen Captures Date: 19 Jan 1998 15:50:51 -0500 (EST) >>Vaughan Clarke, Sammie Winmill, and Philip Gilbert they are also on my site >>now on a subpage called Tomorrow People Today. > >Awesome!!!!!!!...........And at the sane time depressing!.....Have ALL of us >refugees from the seventies aged so much?????? >I really only recognised John, Carol and maybe Elizabeth on there. At a >real strech I'd probably have guessed Mike; (I never saw the actor who >voiced Tim.)> > >But STEPHEN????????? Oh dear! What have the years done to him? As another refugee of that era -- Hey! I remember those wide open shirts and skin-tight jeans -- I don't think I've aged that much. I also just had the fifth anniversary of my 29th birthday yesterday. I also, did not think PVC look that bad. True he had less hair than he did in the late 70's, and he wasn't as recognizable as "John" or "Carol", but he didn't look bad for someone who must be approaching 40. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: TIM Date: 20 Jan 1998 22:49:02 +1100 > From: tzm > > My brother wants to know where TIM came from? > Who created him? Beth's already answered that. To her answer (that he was initiated by Timon), I'd just add that the actual final assembly was done by John - who actually thought he had done all the work (with a little help from the federation) up until he was told otherwise in World's Away. > How he got in contact with the TP and the Galactic Trig? Beth's told you about my theory in 'Making Connections' but that is drawn from 'The Visitor' and the information in 'The Visitor' does perhaps come closest to a canonical source: "On a planet called Sophia, in the galactic arm of Perseus, there lived an immortal race of philosohpers who had invited them to jaunt there soon after Kenny had joined their number. It was the Sophists who explained to them that they were the first people on Earth to reach a new level of evolution. Nature, fearful that mankind would destory itself, had speeded up the evolutionary process and produced a new species, homo superior, who would take over the Earth and turn it into a planet in which technology would be used only in the cause of peace and wars would be unknown. After that visit, the four had built TIM, to a design which the Sophists had given to them." It seems likely that the Sophists are the same race referred to as the Sophostrians in the series, and it seems very likely that they are part of the Federation (I don't know if that is ever stated or not). So TIM made contact with the Federation because he came from it (this seems certain anyway - whether we assume the Sophists/Sophostrians have anything to do with it or not) and made contact with the TP because they were given him in order to assist them. Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: TIM Date: 20 Jan 1998 22:53:46 +1100 > From: Rachael Bailey > > Question about TIM: > > I know the answer, it is explained in one of the old series episodes, > but because i am no good at explaining i'll let shaun answer as we all > know he knows it. Aaaaagh! What is this? I don't have all the answers - really I don't. I need to ask questions on this list too, sometimes you know. There are a lot of other people who know the answers too. (Shaun thinks he should shut up for a while - maybe people will stop assuming he knows the answers). Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: TPDIS: YKYBWTMTPW . . . Date: 20 Jan 1998 23:03:39 +1100 You know you've been watching dangerous amounts of the Tomorrow People when you actually sit down and watch Oprah, simply because today's episode is about a little boy who is being raised by oriental monks because he is considered to be some sort of child god. Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tigger Subject: Re: TPDIS: YKYBWTMTPW . . . Date: 20 Jan 1998 18:51:37 -0600 (CST) >You know you've been watching dangerous amounts of the Tomorrow People when >you actually sit down and watch Oprah, simply because today's episode is >about a little boy who is being raised by oriental monks because he is >considered to be some sort of child god. REALLY! Eep. Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tzm" Subject: Re: TPDIS: TIM Date: 20 Jan 1998 22:24:12 -0500 IMOH, I know that Shaun doesn't know all the answers, but from what I have been reading he certainly knows a lot and is very shall we call it educated on the entire topic of the TP. Besides Shaun, you tend to answer most of our questions which is something I personally enjoy and await. So please don't stop responding to our questions. Tracey ---------- > > Aaaaagh! > > What is this? I don't have all the answers - really I don't. I need to ask > questions on this list too, sometimes you know. There are a lot of other > people who know the answers too. > > (Shaun thinks he should shut up for a while - maybe people will stop > assuming he knows the answers). > > Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how > Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears > / |that might turn out to be just what the > o=== ======================- |species needs.' > \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' > drednort@eisa.net.au | > http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hal Freeman Subject: Re: TPDIS: TIM Date: 21 Jan 1998 00:33:32 -0600 > > (Shaun thinks he should shut up for a while - maybe people will stop > > > assuming he knows the answers). Don't do that! I just went through an entire ordeal of saving you from Tigger, who wasn't against you, and I really meant Racheal with an 'a', and you're just gonna start lurking? Shaun, don't ever shut up when you know the answers. When you're educated, keep talking. We're not assuming anything. We don't have to. Now if you know anything, you would have written both series. However, you're the closest thing we've got to a know all. I think that it's a compliment to be seen as the most knowledgeable TP fan on the 'net. Nobody says that about me. They just say I've got the biggest mouth on the 'net. If anyone needs to shut up, it _me_! Hope you keep your sanity, I haven't! Megan ******** Sometimes is helps to know if you know it all, or is it just your game? Sometimes it helps to know with you will it always be the same? -"Wistfully Yours" Me! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rachael Bailey" Subject: Re: TPDIS: TIM Date: 21 Jan 1998 03:21:37 PST > Don't do that! I just went through an entire ordeal of saving you from >Tigger, who wasn't against you, and I really meant Racheal with an 'a', >and you're just gonna start lurking? For one thing it is spelt RachAEL not EAL, and another i am not bagging Shaun. I happen to know him better than most, and his intellegence and knowledge are two of the things that make him one of the nicest people i know. Thirdly Shaun the reason that i refer the answers to u is because you do know more about the tp's than most of us, and if i were you i'd take that as a compliment, i know i would. If anyone else wants to have their say, go right ahead, right now i'm in too much of a bad mood to care. Rachael with an A, an attitude, a very sore neck from a recent car accident, and one very short temper. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: YKYBWTMTPW . . . Date: 21 Jan 1998 20:30:51 +1100 > From: Tigger > > >You know you've been watching dangerous amounts of the Tomorrow People > >when you actually sit down and watch Oprah, simply because today's episode > >is about a little boy who is being raised by oriental monks because he is > >considered to be some sort of child god. > REALLY! Yes, really. The show was called (according to the local TV guide) 'Is her son the next lama?' and was basically an interview with the boy's (I think, American) mother who left him in the care of the Monks (who I think are in Nepal - I missed the start of the episode). The boy was called the Little Lama (whether that's a proper title or something that the Oprah show made up) and in the part of it I saw, it was never made precisely clear what sort of god he was meant to be. I only saw it because I was rewinding 'A Man For Emily' at the time. Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: TIM Date: 21 Jan 1998 22:20:02 +1100 > From: Hal Freeman > > > > (Shaun thinks he should shut up for a while - maybe people will stop > > > assuming he knows the answers). > > Don't do that! I just went through an entire ordeal of saving you from > Tigger, who wasn't against you, and I really meant Racheal with an 'a', > and you're just gonna start lurking? I don't intend to start lurking. I never did. I'm just worried that I may be damaging the list by posting - it's a discussion list, and a discussion requires several people. I'm worried I might be talking too much and wrecking the discussions. > We're not assuming anything. We don't have to. Now if you know > anything, you would have written both series. However, you're the > closest thing we've got to a know all. I think that it's a compliment to > be seen as the most knowledgeable TP fan on the 'net. Nobody says that > about me. They just say I've got the biggest mouth on the 'net. If > anyone needs to shut up, it _me_! I don't think I'm the most knowledgeable fan on the net - I do have a good memory so I do remember lots of things, but there are others who remember them just as well as I do. I even misremember things sometimes and post incorrect information. I think, perhaps, I'm just on the net more than some of them, so I often get in with my answers quicker. And I'm also worried that people asking me specifically for answers may insult some of the other very knowledgeable people on the list. Because there are quite a few of them (where do you think I ask my questions?) > Hope you keep your sanity, I haven't! Sanity is overrated anyway. No, seriously I won't be lurking and I will answer questions if I know the answer, I suppose. I really enjoy being on this list and discussing TP-related matters. It just makes me feel nervous when some people seem to think I have all the answers about anything. Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ruby Red Subject: Re: TPDIS: TIM Date: 22 Jan 1998 06:35:59 +1100 On Wed, Jan 21, 1998 at 10:20:02PM +1100, Shaun Hately wrote: > > From: Hal Freeman > > We're not assuming anything. We don't have to. Now if you know > > anything, you would have written both series. However, you're the > > closest thing we've got to a know all. I think that it's a compliment to > > be seen as the most knowledgeable TP fan on the 'net. Nobody says that > > about me. They just say I've got the biggest mouth on the 'net. If > > anyone needs to shut up, it _me_! > > I don't think I'm the most knowledgeable fan on the net - I do have a good > memory so I do remember lots of things, but there are others who remember > them just as well as I do. I even misremember things sometimes and post > incorrect information. I think, perhaps, I'm just on the net more than some > of them, so I often get in with my answers quicker. And I'm also worried > that people asking me specifically for answers may insult some of the other > very knowledgeable people on the list. Because there are quite a few of > them (where do you think I ask my questions?) Um, yes. I'm afraid that I'm one of those people. Who do you think gave Shaun the rest of his Original Series tapes? Me! I'd like to think I have just as much a chance of knowing something as Shaun does, but even when I've posted answers, people just ask for Shaun. So now I don't bother. Why should I? (Humph) Kathryn A. -- Ruby Red "Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas any more." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Warren Hillsdon" Subject: Re: TPDIS: TIM Date: 22 Jan 1998 06:58:14 +1100 Don't give up hope. w. -----Original Message----- >On Wed, Jan 21, 1998 at 10:20:02PM +1100, Shaun Hately wrote: >> > From: Hal Freeman >> > We're not assuming anything. We don't have to. Now if you know >> > anything, you would have written both series. However, you're the >> > closest thing we've got to a know all. I think that it's a compliment to >> > be seen as the most knowledgeable TP fan on the 'net. Nobody says that >> > about me. They just say I've got the biggest mouth on the 'net. If >> > anyone needs to shut up, it _me_! >> >> I don't think I'm the most knowledgeable fan on the net - I do have a good >> memory so I do remember lots of things, but there are others who remember >> them just as well as I do. I even misremember things sometimes and post >> incorrect information. I think, perhaps, I'm just on the net more than some >> of them, so I often get in with my answers quicker. And I'm also worried >> that people asking me specifically for answers may insult some of the other >> very knowledgeable people on the list. Because there are quite a few of >> them (where do you think I ask my questions?) > >Um, yes. I'm afraid that I'm one of those people. Who do you think >gave Shaun the rest of his Original Series tapes? Me! I'd like to >think I have just as much a chance of knowing something as Shaun does, >but even when I've posted answers, people just ask for Shaun. So now >I don't bother. Why should I? (Humph) > >Kathryn A. >-- >Ruby Red > >"Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas any more." > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rachael Bailey" Subject: Re: TPDIS: TIM Date: 21 Jan 1998 14:52:27 PST > I'd like to >think I have just as much a chance of knowing something as Shaun does, >but even when I've posted answers, people just ask for Shaun. So now >I don't bother. Why should I? (Humph) people ask for shaun because they know he is always around, he is the person easiest to get a hold of, and because his answers are detailed in a way that is easy to understand. Rachael with an A ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rachael Bailey" Subject: Re: TPDIS: TIM Date: 21 Jan 1998 15:03:56 PST > I'd like to >think I have just as much a chance of knowing something as Shaun does, >but even when I've posted answers, people just ask for Shaun. So now >I don't bother. Why should I? (Humph) Shaun is the one asked for because everyone knows he will be there, he is the most easily accessable, and he writes long detailed responses which are clear and answer their questions fully. That is why people get Shaun to answer things. Rachael with an A ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: TIM Date: 22 Jan 1998 10:53:28 +1100 > From: Rachael Bailey > > Shaun is the one asked for because everyone knows he will be there, he > is the most easily accessable, and he writes long detailed responses > which are clear and answer their questions fully. That is why people get > Shaun to answer things. Other people do that too, though. I think the simplest solution isn't to ask anyone specifically at all. I think people should just ask their questions of the list in general. That way no one will feel that there is any pressure for them to answer and everyone will feel free to answer. I certainly will answer if I know the answer. This time last year, my own knowledge of the TP was very limited - I didn't have any episodes on tape and hadn't seen any in 6 years (and hadn't seen most of them for 8 years). I had one novel. Through the list I've learned a lot about the show - from people discussing it, answering my questions (for 'Exodus', my first fanfic, I posted a series of about 10 questions to the list so I could get my facts right and a fair few people answered them.) and also from the generosity of people on the list (and some off the list) who were willing to make me copies - in particular Jez, Ruby Red, Kerry, and Vanessa (who isn't on the list - in spite of my best efforts. She says she isn't a fan even though she has the first five seasons on tape). I may be knowledgeable now - but I wouldn't be if it wasn't for a lot of other people. People who I know have most of the answers - because they answered my questions. Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: TPDIS: Dialog Question Date: 22 Jan 1998 10:59:10 +1100 I'm hoping someone may be able to answer this. My tape of 'The Revenge of Jedikiah' appears to have a second or so of dialog missing - probably because the film that was broadcast had been damaged and they spliced two pieces together at that point, losing a bit of the film. It a piece of speech between Tricia and Professor Cawston in his laboratory, after Colonel Masters has been shot. Tricia says something like: "Stephen has committed murder now - the murder of the only man able to (something) the Tomorrow People." I'd really like to know what that 'something' is. I'm guessing it's something like protect or defend (or defeat), but I really have no idea, and I'm hoping someone may have a copy with that line intact and can tell me. Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: arpitp@juno.com (Ariana B) Subject: Re: TPDIS: YKYBWTMTPW . . . Date: 04 Jan 1998 00:49:12 -0800 > You know you've been watching dangerous amounts of the Tomorrow People when > you actually sit down and watch Oprah, simply because today's episode is > about a little boy who is being raised by oriental monks because he is > considered to be some sort of child god. lol! you should have posted to the list! i feel horrible to have missed it! --Ariana (who is laughing so hard she *must* be pretty tired) "If I was telepathic, if I could teleport, it would be the dream of my life come true!" --Megabyte Damon, The Tomorrow People ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: arpitp@juno.com (Ariana B) Subject: Re: TPDIS: Older Stephen........................A second opinion Date: 04 Jan 1998 00:48:55 -0800 > I should have been born at least fifteen years earlier than I was. My > dad was privilaged enough to be the right age to watch it and he doesn't > remember a thing! Not even _John_! If _I_ saw John I would remember > John. But does my dad remember? Nooooo. My mom hates sci-fi and avoids > it like the Plague. So nobody in my family remembers the Tomorrow > People. neither of my parents had heard of it until i threw it int heir face. but, strangely enough, about a month ago my father's secretary was babysitting me, and walked into the room while i was watching... i think it was One Law. anyway, she goes "is this that show with those kids who can disappear? i used to watch that a while back. how many years ago was it?" very strange. --Ariana "If I was telepathic, if I could teleport, it would be the dream of my life come true!" --Megabyte Damon, The Tomorrow People ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: arpitp@juno.com (Ariana B) Subject: TPDIS: ykybwtmtpw... Date: 04 Jan 1998 03:10:15 -0800 ...one of your spelling words is "extraordinary", and you begin mumbling the new series bumper. ... you hang upside down for hours on end, wondering if the extra blood to your head will enhance your brain's ability, and help along your attempts at breaking out ...you go to see the movie titanic, and while the whole theatre is crying at how horrible it is to see the floating bodies, you're giggling at how appropriate Kevin's line "help! i'm drowning!" is. ... you're filling out an application for a library card, and one of the blanks asks for your occupation. you write "Tomorrow Person" only to have your parent make you erase it and write "student". ... you hear a report on the radio saying that a guitarist in your favourite group has a solo album coming out two months, and assume that means that the group broke up. the only sympathy your parent offers you is a sarcastic "i hope you don't make a big deal out of this like when THAT SHOW was canceled". ... you feel like giving up any shred of pacifism when you hear The Tomorrow People referred to as THAT SHOW. ... you have to do an oral report on one of the human senses, and since you forgot to research anything, you do an on-the-spot on ESP (and surprisingly, get a good grade) ... you're sleeping in the car, and jerk awake when someone says "well, the thing about golf is that it's mind over matter. you've got to *think*" ... your friends use the word "Teleport" to get your attention when your too lost in whatever you're doing to respond to your name. ... you insist on pulling your hair back when you wear your list T-shirt, so that everyone you come across can have the benefit of reading the quotes on the back. ... you call the nickelodeon 800 line and ask if they are willing to sell the rights to The Tomorrow People, and are thoroughly outraged when then the operator doesn't know what The Tomorrow People is. ...one of your vocab words is "Jaunt", and you're so surprised and delighted, you find yourself standing up. your teacher, shocked that you've stood up in the middle of class for no apparent reason, asks you for the definition. you get a weird look when you say "it means to disappear from one place, and then reappear somewhere else, not traveling the distance in between. it's a synonym for Teleport." after receiving a *very* strange look, you admit that it can also mean a short pleasure trip. you get yet *another* weird look because the latter definition was the exact wording of your teacher's dictionary. --Ariana "If I was telepathic, if I could teleport, it would be the dream of my life come true!" --Megabyte Damon, The Tomorrow People ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tzm" Subject: Re: TPDIS: TIM Date: 21 Jan 1998 23:08:59 -0500 Personally, I would like to hear from everyone who happens to have knowledge about any question that is either asked by myself or any other member. And I think the others are right, we should not mention that we will let Shaun answer that question. Kathryn, if you do happen to know an answer i would very much like to read your responses. See from what I have been noticing, some people only answer a little bit and others finish the thoughts or expand on the ideas. Hence where the discussion aspect comes from. So if anyone else happens to be as knowledgable as Shaun or for that matter even more knowledgeable than him on some aspect of the series in question please comment and give your opinions. Because I am beginning to feel like we are losing the whole "discussion atmosphere" we had been experiencing. Tracey ---------- > > Um, yes. I'm afraid that I'm one of those people. Who do you think > gave Shaun the rest of his Original Series tapes? Me! I'd like to > think I have just as much a chance of knowing something as Shaun does, > but even when I've posted answers, people just ask for Shaun. So now > I don't bother. Why should I? (Humph) > > Kathryn A. > -- > Ruby Red > > "Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas any more." > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tigger Subject: Re: TPDIS: ykybwtmtpw... Date: 21 Jan 1998 23:55:18 -0600 (CST) >... you're filling out an application for a library card, and one of the >blanks asks for your occupation. you write "Tomorrow Person" only to >have your parent make you erase it and write "student". I should hope so! We don't want the saps tracing you through the library system, do we? Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ruby Red Subject: Re: TPDIS: TIM Date: 22 Jan 1998 22:37:05 +1100 On Wed, Jan 21, 1998 at 11:08:59PM -0500, tzm wrote: > Personally, I would like to hear from everyone who happens to have > knowledge about any question that is either asked by myself or any other > member. And I think the others are right, we should not mention that we > will let Shaun answer that question. > Kathryn, if you do happen to know an answer i would very much like to read > your responses. See from what I have been noticing, some people only > answer a little bit and others finish the thoughts or expand on the ideas. > Hence where the discussion aspect comes from. Thank you folks, I feel better now! (-8 > So if anyone else happens to be as knowledgable as Shaun or for that matter > even more knowledgeable than him on some aspect of the series in question > please comment and give your opinions. Because I am beginning to feel like > we are losing the whole "discussion atmosphere" we had been experiencing. Okay, anyone got any questions? (-8 Ah, yes, Shaun, that line. Let me look... Oh. It must have been my tape that you got your copy from: I have the same flaw. The word she says definitely starts with "def", but it is cut right there. Oh well. -- Ruby Red "Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas any more." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: TPDIS: Kristian Schmid Date: 22 Jan 1998 16:31:45 +1100 Today's (Thursday, 22nd January) Melbourne Age Green Guide (a local TV guide for Melbourne contained in The Age newspaper) has an article on the history of Neighbours which includes a small black and white picture of the 1989 cast including Kristian Schmid on page 11. I thought some people might be interested. Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Matott Subject: Re: TPDIS: ykybwtmtpw... Date: 22 Jan 1998 11:40:13 -0500 Begin forwarded message: Reply-To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com >...one of your spelling words is "extraordinary", and you begin >mumbling the new series bumper. LOL. Or you start hearing it as soon as you see it in print - like with this email. >... you feel like giving up any shred of pacifism when you hear The >Tomorrow People referred to as THAT SHOW. Again. LOL! The only reason I know I couldn't be a TP is that I"m not a pacifist. (A sort of anarchistic coward, but not a pacifist. :-) ) >...one of your vocab words is "Jaunt", and you're so surprised and delighted, you find yourself standing up. your teacher, shocked that you've stood up in the middle of class for no apparent reason, asks you for the definition. you get a weird look when you say "it means to disappear from one place, and then reappear somewhere else, not traveling the distance in between. it's a synonym for Teleport." after receiving a *very* strange look, you admit that it can also mean a short pleasure trip. you get yet *another* weird look because the latter definition was the exact wording of your teacher's dictionary. << To this day I am convinced that I passed Calculus in high school thanks to a weird rapport I shared with a classmate and close friend (we finished each other's sentences/answers in class, and usually answered in stereo when a question was asked to the class in general) and the conviction that I read the teacher's mind sometimes. (One time I "heard" an answer before he finished writing the problem on the board.) Could be my imagination, but who knows. :-) mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: arpitp@juno.com (Ariana B) Subject: Re: TPDIS: ykybwtmtpw... Date: 04 Jan 1998 14:32:56 -0800 Mike wrote: > To this day I am convinced that I passed Calculus in high school > thanks to a weird rapport I shared with a classmate and close friend > (we finished each other's sentences/answers in class, and usually > answered in stereo when a question was asked to the class in general) > and the conviction that I read the teacher's mind sometimes. (One > time I "heard" an answer before he finished writing the problem on > the board.) Could be my imagination, but who knows. :-) i actually rely on telepathy to pass some of my tests. in fact, today i had an english test that had several vocab words that were done earlier on in the year - before i switched schools. i knew all but one of the words out of general knowledge, but i sat there wondering what to do about the last. i'd never heard the word before, so as i last resort i tried to snag it out of some kid's head. i looked the word up after class - i got the definition correct. maybe i *am* on the verge of breaking out :) --Ariana "If I was telepathic, if I could teleport, it would be the dream of my life come true!" --Megabyte Damon, The Tomorrow People ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Latimer84 Subject: Re: TPDIS: ykybwtmtpw... Date: 22 Jan 1998 19:22:51 EST Arpi has a tendency to do that. She and I often finish each other's sentences. I've tryed to pluck answers out of her head during tests, but usually I smack my head and remember. Or I just *think* I remember..... (cue "Twilight Zone" theme!)... -Geoff........ I think..... In a message dated 98-01-22 19:20:50 EST, you write: > i actually rely on telepathy to pass some of my tests. in fact, today i > had an english test that had several vocab words that were done earlier > on in the year - before i switched schools. i knew all but one of the > words out of general knowledge, but i sat there wondering what to do > about the last. i'd never heard the word before, so as i last resort i > tried to snag it out of some kid's head. i looked the word up after > class - i got the definition correct. maybe i *am* on the verge of > breaking out :) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "heidi t." Subject: Re: TPDIS:babylon five Date: 22 Jan 1998 19:42:57 -0500 Did anyone other than me see babylon five last night (my husband is addicted)? Those telepaths - were they jaunting?!?!? heidi t Don't worry about the world ending today...It's already tomorrow in Australia. (charles schultz) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tigger Subject: Re: TPDIS:babylon five Date: 22 Jan 1998 20:52:05 -0600 (CST) >Those telepaths - were they jaunting?!?!? I hope not! That would be too weird. I mean Psi Corps and TP shouldn't exist in the same universe. I was wondering that though. Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: arpitp@juno.com (Ariana B) Subject: Re: TPDIS: ykybwtmtpw... Date: 04 Jan 1998 18:54:10 -0800 > Arpi has a tendency to do that. She and I often finish each other's sentences. > I've tryed to pluck answers out of her head during tests, but usually I smack > my head and remember. Or I just *think* I remember..... (cue "Twilight Zone" > theme!)... hey! when were you taking answers out of my head? for that matter, when was the last time i had a class with *you*, oh EVIL one!? (er, i can answer that - LA and math in 7th grade) beware... i just might have sent you the WRONG answer! okay... i'm sorry... lack of Diet Coke is getting to me. --Ariana "If I was telepathic, if I could teleport, it would be the dream of my life come true!" --Megabyte Damon, The Tomorrow People ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hal Freeman Subject: Re: TPDIS: ykybwtmtpw... Date: 22 Jan 1998 22:45:09 -0600 Ariana B wrote: > > Arpi has a tendency to do that. She and I often finish each other's > sentences. > > I've tryed to pluck answers out of her head during tests, but > usually I > smack > > my head and remember. Or I just *think* I remember..... (cue > "Twilight > Zone" > > theme!)... > > hey! when were you taking answers out of my head? for that matter, > when > was the last time i had a class with *you*, oh EVIL one!? (er, i can > answer that - LA and math in 7th grade) beware... i just might have > sent > you the WRONG answer! > Good thing you don't have Mrs. Eddleman for Alg.I, she gives out three different versions of the test, so it's impossible to cheat unless by fate the person beside you gets the same version and she's good about spacing it out. Hey, BTW, before you pull the test answers out of Ariana's head, think, "What would the other TP say. What would John think of me?". That right there has saved my sister countless times. What's the point in education if you don't try at it? I seeport publik edukashun, Megan ******* "Nothing moves faster than light." I beg to differ, everything is the consequence of something faster stronger and better. -Megan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rachael Bailey" Subject: Re: TPDIS: ykybwtmtpw... Date: 22 Jan 1998 20:57:40 PST > Hey, BTW, before you pull the test answers out of Ariana's head, >think, "What would the other TP say. What would John think of me?". ohhhhhhhhhhh don't do that. The most common sentence i hear coming out of Shauns mouth is "John wouldn't approve". The most annoying sentence anyone could ever hear. Rachael with an A ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hal Freeman Subject: TPDIS: TP Top Ten Date: 22 Jan 1998 23:22:07 -0600 Here's a Top Ten list that I thought of while in algebra class.... Top Ten Reasons I'd rather go to a Scottish Boarding School than my school 10) I figure that bagpipes beat the heck out of clarinets. 9)Football players in kilts, need I say more? 8)Boy Girl Swap Day, this could get interesting. :)@ 7)Stark raving mad British scientists will hit pavement to stay out of kilts. 6)Field Trips to the Highlands 5)You might see MIP's (Men in Plaid). 4)Gym classes. 3)Their cross country teams may wear kilts, but they sure as heck win more meets than we do. 2)The guys who sit in front of you in Algebra in Scotland are almost assuredly cuter than the ones who sit in front of you in Algebra in American schools. The number one reason I'd rather go to a Scottish boarding school than my school: ::Drum Roll Please:: 1) Stephen in a kilt. Dodging Nerf Balls from Highlander fans, Megan ::who just got one in the ear, OWW:: ***** And there she was, In platform double suede and there she was Like disco lemonade -"Sex & Candy" Marcy Playground ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rachael Bailey" Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP Top Ten Date: 22 Jan 1998 22:07:24 PST >2)The guys who sit in front of you in Algebra in Scotland are almost >assuredly cuter than the ones who sit in front of you in Algebra in >American schools. and australian schools, especially if they look anything like stepehn > >The number one reason I'd rather go to a Scottish boarding school than >my school: > >::Drum Roll Please:: > >1) Stephen in a kilt. definately Rachael with an A ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jane Starr Subject: Re: TPDIS: ykybwtmtpw... Date: 22 Jan 1998 23:12:32 -0700 At 11:55 PM 1/21/98 -0600, you wrote: >>... you're filling out an application for a library card, and one of the >>blanks asks for your occupation. you write "Tomorrow Person" only to >>have your parent make you erase it and write "student". >I should hope so! We don't want the saps tracing you through the library >system, do we? Now wait a minute. Librarians won't do that! We won't tell them what books you've borrowed, and patron confidentiality is sacred. And some of us librarians are not planning to stay saps any longer than we can help, even if we are pushing 40. Although one does wonder a bit about a library system that asks for your occupation - I can't figure out why they'd need to know unless they're planning to turn that useless patron file into a lucrative direct marketing opportunity... Jane Starr Jane Starr starr@planet.eon.net 9518-91 st., Edmonton, Alberta, Canada T6C 3P5 check out the new ON SPEC web page at www.icomm.ca/onspec/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Yates" Subject: Re: TPDIS: ykybwtmtpw... Date: 23 Jan 1998 13:13:55 -0000 >Now wait a minute. Librarians won't do that! We won't tell them what >books you've borrowed, and patron confidentiality is sacred. And some of >us librarians are not planning to stay saps any longer than we can help, >even if we are pushing 40. Although one does wonder a bit about a library >system that asks for your occupation - I can't figure out why they'd need >to know unless they're planning to turn that useless patron file into a >lucrative direct marketing opportunity... I used to work in a library. I think some of the people I worked with WERE Tomorrow People!!! The always managed to vanish into thin air whenever there was any work to be done!!! LOL. David ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Yates" Subject: Re: TPDIS: ykybwtmtpw... Date: 23 Jan 1998 13:11:27 -0000 >ohhhhhhhhhhh don't do that. The most common sentence i hear coming out >of Shauns mouth is "John wouldn't approve". The most annoying sentence >anyone could ever hear. > >Rachael with an A I don't BELIEVE that John has NEVER used his powers, at least once for his own advantage??????(Perhaps when the Thames cameras weren't rolling!!???) David ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: arpitp@juno.com (Ariana B) Subject: Re: TPDIS: ykybwtmtpw... Date: 04 Jan 1998 19:51:25 -0800 Megan wrote: > Hey, BTW, before you pull the test answers out of Ariana's head, > think, "What would the other TP say. What would John think of me?". That > right there has saved my sister countless times. What's the point in > education if you don't try at it? well, what's the point of education if you do? are we really going to remember this stuff when it comes time to use it? for that matter, what percentage of what we learn in junior high is ever going to make it into a real-world situation? i admit that some of it will, but they pound it into our head with such quantities of busywork, we turn off our minds to it and begin to not think about what we're doing - it's the exact opposite of what they're looking for. i really think we need to rethink our educational systems. Megan also wrote: > Here's a Top Ten list that I thought of while in algebra class.... see? we have to entertain ourselves with other things, therefore missing out on the material at hand (or having learned it weeks before and are just really bored with the constant repetition). and Geoff, it would have been fine for you to snag answers from my head, i just would have appreciated a warning beforehand (i could have *sent* them, then!). this may be unfair, because none of my subjects are ever informed of their donation to my test! --Ariana "If I was telepathic, if I could teleport, it would be the dream of my life come true!" --Megabyte Damon, The Tomorrow People ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Latimer84@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: ykybwtmtpw... Date: 23 Jan 1998 16:20:54 EST In a message dated 98-01-22 23:44:14 EST, Megan (who else?) wrote: > Good thing you don't have Mrs. Eddleman for Alg.I, she gives out three > different versions of the test, so it's impossible to cheat unless by > fate the person beside you gets the same version and she's good about > spacing it out. Once my SS teacher did that, but not for that reason. > Hey, BTW, before you pull the test answers out of Ariana's head, > think, "What would the other TP say. What would John think of me?". That > right there has saved my sister countless times. What's the point in > education if you don't try at it? What's the point of learning how to factor equations for parabolas? ;-) Anyway, I never said it WORKED (well).... > I seeport publik edukashun, Back to the lack of sleep thread ;-) > Megan -Geoff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Latimer84 Subject: Re: TPDIS: ykybwtmtpw... Date: 23 Jan 1998 16:29:08 EST In a message dated 98-01-23 01:15:30 EST, you write: > Now wait a minute. Librarians won't do that! We won't tell them what > books you've borrowed, and patron confidentiality is sacred. And some of > us librarians are not planning to stay saps any longer than we can help, > even if we are pushing 40. Although one does wonder a bit about a library > system that asks for your occupation - I can't figure out why they'd need > to know unless they're planning to turn that useless patron file into a > lucrative direct marketing opportunity... We just mean the government would hack into your computers! ;-) -Geoff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Speeeed Subject: Re: TPDIS: Dialog Question Date: 23 Jan 1998 22:17:54 +0000 "Stephen has committed murder now - the murder of the only man with the knowledge and ability to help - the Tomorrow People." Thats the missing dialogue more or less. Which reminds me, I've heard that SFC Europe cut out bits and pieces of the 30 min eps to enable them to get their usual amount of ads in. The SFC Europe eps last about 22 - 24 mins, I've heard of at least one scene of note between Tyso, Stephen and Tyso's mum from 'Secret Weapon' (I think) that was lost this way. If you didn't get your tapes from an SFC Europe viewer, Shaun, How long do your TP eps last each? Tracey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Speeeed Subject: Re: TPDIS: Dialog Question Date: 23 Jan 1998 22:32:48 +0000 > I've heard that SFC Europe cut out bits and pieces of the 30 min eps to enable them > to get their usual amount of ads in. The SFC Europe eps last about 22 - > 24 mins, I've heard of at least one scene of note between Tyso, Stephen > and Tyso's mum from 'Secret Weapon' (I think) that was lost this way. If > you didn't get your tapes from an SFC Europe viewer, Shaun, How long do > your TP eps last each? Or does anyone else here know what I say to be true :) And could they elaborate on what was missing from the recent European re-runs? Tracey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: ykybwtmtpw... Date: 24 Jan 1998 09:52:37 +1100 > From: Latimer84@aol.com > > What's the point of learning how to factor equations for parabolas? ;-) Geoff, if you don't know your mathematics you will never be able to calculate your jaunts effectively! TIM isn't always available, you know. And if you can't factor parabolic equations, you'll have a very hard time calculating where alien apacecraft or sattelites are going to crash to Earth. Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Speeeed Subject: Re: TPDIS: Dialog Question Date: 23 Jan 1998 22:48:52 +0000 Ahem, following my earlier effort, this is the missing line in its correct entirety :-) "Stephen's committed murder now - the murder of the one person who had the knowledge and ability to defend the Tomorrow People." Thank you and goodnight! Tracey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Dialog Question Date: 24 Jan 1998 10:08:13 +1100 > From: Speeeed > > > I've heard that SFC Europe cut out bits and pieces of the 30 min eps to > > enable them to get their usual amount of ads in. The SFC Europe eps last > > about 22 - 24 mins, I've heard of at least one scene of note between > > Tyso, Stephen and Tyso's mum from 'Secret Weapon' (I think) that was lost > > this way. If you didn't get your tapes from an SFC Europe viewer, Shaun, > > How long do your TP eps last each? Most of my tapes come from Channel 7 Australia which last broadcast the show in 1991. I don't know the precise length of them, but I'd say if anything they are shorter than the ones you describe. I'll check. > Or does anyone else here know what I say to be true :) And could they > elaborate on what was missing from the recent European re-runs? How about an experiment - you go through your copy of 'Secret Weapon' and list the scenes. I'll do the same. We may then see if something is missing. Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: scott goldman Subject: Re: TPDIS: ykybwtmtpw... Date: 23 Jan 1998 18:09:50 -0500 (EST) > And if you can't factor parabolic equations, you'll have a very hard time > calculating where alien apacecraft or sattelites are going to crash to > Earth. I've always told people that math was important, but that unless you plan on being an astronaut, calculus was a waste... now I'll have to add Tomorrow Person to the 'who needs calculus' list! ScottG who can't be depended on to caclcutae flight paths! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeremy Rogers Subject: Re: TPDIS: Dialog Question Date: 23 Jan 1998 23:16:43 GMT Speeeed wrote: > Thats the missing dialogue more or less. Which reminds me, I've heard > that SFC Europe cut out bits and pieces of the 30 min eps to enable them > to get their usual amount of ads in. The programmes were shown in a 30 minute ITV slot, so their original length would typically be about 24.5 minutes. > The SFC Europe eps last about 22 - > 24 mins, I've heard of at least one scene of note between Tyso, Stephen > and Tyso's mum from 'Secret Weapon' (I think) that was lost this way. If > you didn't get your tapes from an SFC Europe viewer, Shaun, How long do > your TP eps last each? Well I know that some of them came from there ... The early 1990 Australian broadcasts show many artifacts. It appears that they were from telerecordings of the original VTs that had probably been in Australia since the 1970s, and appear to be often in a rather poor condition, with numerous scratches. However they do at least have the proper Thames ident at the end. A question here might be whether the Australian censor had ever been to work on them. Jez -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Warren Hillsdon" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Dialog Question Date: 24 Jan 1998 10:20:06 +1100 Hi all, The channel 7 Tomorrow People episodes were always a strange lot considering that I think they had them from when they originally got them. Several episodes had been replaced from Thames. For example an episode of a Man for Emily and I think an episode of Worlds Away. The main reason that I mention this is that if you look at the quality then they crystal clear. Whereas the other episodes are very bad. Scratches and the film breaking etc.. The 1991 repeat of the show I know they did cut it down to make room for more adverts. I remember this as I spent a great deal of time editing back in the scenes from previous showings that I still had on tape (beta tape as well, it had been a long time since they last showed it) but none the less it turned into about 5 mins per episode. When the UK released Slaves of Jedikiah you could see the difference in the show quality and the fact that there was a lot less jumps throughout the episodes. Mainly then I think the cuts came from film resplices and cutting down for ads. This was not uncommon anyway as they tended to do that to most of the shows that they have. Especially in the morning when its a good children's market and at prime time at night. Its a shame Video Gems went out of business it would of been great to see them all get released on sell through. Mind you I wish they didn't cut out the previous episode flashback that always gave me the proverbials. I like always to have the episode intact completely. So what if you have the previous episode on tape. Its the only time that you would see the title of the show "The Tomorrow People" come up as it wasn't in the main intro... Same applies for the release of the Origin story should of been in episodic format.. Oh well too late now to winge. Warren -----Original Message----- >> From: Speeeed >> >> > I've heard that SFC Europe cut out bits and pieces of the 30 min eps to > >> > enable them to get their usual amount of ads in. The SFC Europe eps >last >> > about 22 - 24 mins, I've heard of at least one scene of note between >> > Tyso, Stephen and Tyso's mum from 'Secret Weapon' (I think) that was >lost > > this way. If you didn't get your tapes from an SFC Europe viewer, >Shaun, >> > How long do your TP eps last each? > >Most of my tapes come from Channel 7 Australia which last broadcast the >show in 1991. > >I don't know the precise length of them, but I'd say if anything they are >shorter than the ones you describe. I'll check. > >> Or does anyone else here know what I say to be true :) And could they >> elaborate on what was missing from the recent European re-runs? > >How about an experiment - you go through your copy of 'Secret Weapon' and >list the scenes. I'll do the same. We may then see if something is missing. > >Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how > Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears > / |that might turn out to be just what the >o=== ======================- |species needs.' > \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' >drednort@eisa.net.au | > http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Warren Hillsdon" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Dialog Question Date: 24 Jan 1998 10:22:54 +1100 I did actually query Channel 7 at the time about the cuts and I don't think it was the Australian Censor. They never used to worry about the C rated programs. I think it was a timing issue. Well according to my memory of the conversation that I had. The copies yes were very bad but as I said in the message I just posted there is the odd exception to the rule which made it really interesting. I used to think at the time I wish they had gone and got fresh copies as they were great.. Warren -----Original Message----- >Speeeed wrote: > >> Thats the missing dialogue more or less. Which reminds me, I've heard >> that SFC Europe cut out bits and pieces of the 30 min eps to enable them >> to get their usual amount of ads in. > >The programmes were shown in a 30 minute ITV slot, so their original >length would typically be about 24.5 minutes. > >> The SFC Europe eps last about 22 - >> 24 mins, I've heard of at least one scene of note between Tyso, Stephen >> and Tyso's mum from 'Secret Weapon' (I think) that was lost this way. If >> you didn't get your tapes from an SFC Europe viewer, Shaun, How long do >> your TP eps last each? > >Well I know that some of them came from there ... > >The early 1990 Australian broadcasts show many artifacts. It appears >that they were from telerecordings of the original VTs that had >probably been in Australia since the 1970s, and appear to be often in >a rather poor condition, with numerous scratches. However they do at >least have the proper Thames ident at the end. A question here might >be whether the Australian censor had ever been to work on them. > >Jez >-- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Warren Hillsdon" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Dialog Question Date: 24 Jan 1998 10:24:55 +1100 In fact I would have to go and rewatch them again as I havn't since they did the 1991 showing. I knew the episodes off by heart then due to the splicing I was doing with the episodes. Warren -----Original Message----- >Speeeed wrote: > >> Thats the missing dialogue more or less. Which reminds me, I've heard >> that SFC Europe cut out bits and pieces of the 30 min eps to enable them >> to get their usual amount of ads in. > >The programmes were shown in a 30 minute ITV slot, so their original >length would typically be about 24.5 minutes. > >> The SFC Europe eps last about 22 - >> 24 mins, I've heard of at least one scene of note between Tyso, Stephen >> and Tyso's mum from 'Secret Weapon' (I think) that was lost this way. If >> you didn't get your tapes from an SFC Europe viewer, Shaun, How long do >> your TP eps last each? > >Well I know that some of them came from there ... > >The early 1990 Australian broadcasts show many artifacts. It appears >that they were from telerecordings of the original VTs that had >probably been in Australia since the 1970s, and appear to be often in >a rather poor condition, with numerous scratches. However they do at >least have the proper Thames ident at the end. A question here might >be whether the Australian censor had ever been to work on them. > >Jez >-- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Dialog Question Date: 24 Jan 1998 10:33:27 +1100 > From: Jeremy Rogers > > > you didn't get your tapes from an SFC Europe viewer, Shaun, How long do > > your TP eps last each? > > Well I know that some of them came from there ... Yes, indeed but I also now have a complete set of Channel 7 Australia ones as well - I tend to keep the Sci Fi Europe ones I have separate and only use them for copying purposes. > The early 1990 Australian broadcasts show many artifacts. It appears > that they were from telerecordings of the original VTs that had > probably been in Australia since the 1970s, and appear to be often in > a rather poor condition, with numerous scratches. However they do at > least have the proper Thames ident at the end. A question here might > be whether the Australian censor had ever been to work on them. It's unlikely that they were censored from what I understand. As evidence for that, the Dirtiest Business was broadcast in the early and mid 80s under a 'C' certification (for children) as were all other serials. If the Commonwealth censor had seen it, it would have almost certainly got at least a 'G' (General) or 'PG' (Parental Guidance) certification. 'A Man For Emily' would have also probably gained a 'G' certification. When broadcast in 1990/1991, all serials had a 'G' certification, so something may have happened before that. As for the artifacts, that is certainly true of the Australian broadcasts in general terms. However there are some earlier episodes which are crystal clear (in particular one episode of "World's Away"). I presume this occurred when an episode was so badly damaged as to be deemed unviewable by Channel 7 and so they obtained a new print. Later serials (series 6 onwards, I think) are much higher quality. All are watchable though some are borderline. Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: ykybwtmtpw... Date: 24 Jan 1998 10:46:30 +1100 > From: scott goldman > > I've always told people that math was important, but that unless you plan > on being an astronaut, calculus was a waste... now I'll have to add > Tomorrow Person to the 'who needs calculus' list! Well, actually I think a TP could probably get by without knowing too much Calc, but Trig (no pun intended) is definitely needed for calculating long distance jaunts (how do I know - I've done the calculations before!) Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: ykybwtmtpw... Date: 24 Jan 1998 11:36:01 +1100 > From: David Yates > > >ohhhhhhhhhhh don't do that. The most common sentence i hear coming out > >of Shauns mouth is "John wouldn't approve". The most annoying sentence > >anyone could ever hear. > > > >Rachael with an A > > I don't BELIEVE that John has NEVER used his powers, at least once for > his own advantage??????(Perhaps when the Thames cameras weren't > rolling!!???) Oh, I'm sure he has. But some of the things, Rachael wants to do, John really wouldn't approve of (of course, I doubt he'd approve of some of my money making schemes using TK. I'm glad John isn't on the list.) The difference is - I care about what John approves of. Rachael doesn't. Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: TPDIS: KS Images Date: 24 Jan 1998 13:12:36 +1100 A couple of days ago, I mentioned that there was a picture of KS in a local TV guide. Following requests, I have scanned it and it can be found at http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/agepix.html Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcell J. Elsegood" Subject: TPDIS: Web pages Date: 23 Jan 1998 22:18:44 -0600 Hey all...I've been trying to remember all of you who have web pages not listed on Alta Vista, etc, etc, so if you could, please email me them off list so I can see more about the TP :) Marcell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sun Star77 Subject: TPDIS: YKYBWTMTW.... Date: 23 Jan 1998 23:40:01 EST ...You're taking a personality test and the first question says "you're walking in the woods. Who are you with?", you write down Kristian Schimd and later you come to find out that whoever you wrote down is supposed to be the most important person in your life. Kate ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: arpitp@juno.com (Ariana B) Subject: Re: TPDIS: YKYBWTMTW.... Date: 05 Jan 1998 10:16:13 -0800 Kate wrote: > ...You're taking a personality test and the first question says "you're > walking in the woods. Who are you with?", you write down Kristian Schimd and > later you come to find out that whoever you wrote down is supposed to be the > most important person in your life. so the personality test works, i see? :) --Ariana "If I was telepathic, if I could teleport, it would be the dream of my life come true!" --Megabyte Damon, The Tomorrow People ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeremy Rogers Subject: Re: TPDIS: Dialog Question Date: 24 Jan 1998 07:43:13 GMT It was usual in the mid 1970s for British programmes to be sent to Australia on film, since the broadcasters were not then equipped for 2" colour VT. In some respects it is interesting that they were sent out in colour, but I think that the first showing would have been more or less at the same time as colour TV started in Australia. The master tapes were transferred onto digi-beta about 2 years ago, prior to the disposal of the Teddington Studios. Some of the tapes of the first series had deteriorated in storage, with dropouts particularly noticeable on Slaves of Jedikiah. I have been led to understand that the UK transmission rights currently rest with Channel 5, but they seem more interested in constantly playing 'Adventures of the Bush Patrol'. Jez -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Dialog Question Date: 24 Jan 1998 15:08:12 +1100 > From: Speeeed > > Ahem, following my earlier effort, this is the missing line in its > correct entirety :-) > "Stephen's committed murder now - the murder of the one person who had > the knowledge and ability to defend the Tomorrow People." Thanks Tracey. I'm glad it's defend - like Ruby said, it was reasonably clear it started with def and I was worried it might be defeat (I didn't like the idea of Tricia saying that). Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Amy Bridger Subject: Re: TPDIS: Dialog Question Date: 24 Jan 1998 20:46:31 +0800 At 10:08 AM 24/1/98 +1100, you wrote: >> From: Speeeed >> > How long do your TP eps last each? > >Most of my tapes come from Channel 7 Australia which last broadcast the >show in 1991. Channel 7 showed the orginal series? How did I miss this?? I stumbled upon the new series on the ABC last year, had no diea the orginal series was shown so recently! I've also found Channel 7 rather bad for cutting tv shows up (in on show they cut out an entire 5 minute scene which was essteinal to the plot, but that WAS during Agro's Cartoon Connectiong *YAY* no more AGro). -- Amy Bridger (ami@full-moon.com) I am in AUSTRALIA! What I learnt today: Seatbelts are to stop you being thrown about in the back of the car when the driver is a maniac! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Yates" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Dialog Question Date: 24 Jan 1998 12:54:14 -0000 >I have been led to understand that the UK transmission rights >currently rest with Channel 5, but they seem more interested in >constantly playing 'Adventures of the Bush Patrol'. > >Jez Could we start a campaign to get them to repeat it??? God knows, Chanel 5 needs the ratings!!!! David. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Yates" Subject: Re: TPDIS: ykybwtmtpw... Date: 24 Jan 1998 12:58:08 -0000 >> From: Latimer84@aol.com >> >> What's the point of learning how to factor equations for parabolas? ;-) > >Geoff, if you don't know your mathematics you will never be able to >calculate your jaunts effectively! TIM isn't always available, you know. > >And if you can't factor parabolic equations, you'll have a very hard time >calculating where alien apacecraft or sattelites are going to crash to >Earth. That's it then! I'll NEVER become a TP. Too bad at maths!! David. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Yates" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Web pages Date: 24 Jan 1998 12:55:25 -0000 >Hey all...I've been trying to remember all of you who have web pages not >listed on Alta Vista, etc, etc, so if you could, please email me them off >list so I can see more about the TP :) > >Marcell I'd like that too!!! David. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Latimer84 Subject: Re: TPDIS: Dialog Question Date: 24 Jan 1998 09:32:40 EST In a message dated 98-01-24 07:46:59 EST, a TP fan wrote: > I've also found Channel 7 rather bad for cutting tv shows up I've always feared that DiC would take over The Tomorrrow People. They have nasty habits like: cutting episodes, changing dialog, trying to make two episodes into one, cutting scenes, etc... It would be a *nightmare*! 0Geoff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Latimer84 Subject: Re: TPDIS: ykybwtmtpw... Date: 24 Jan 1998 09:34:50 EST John shmohn! I'll only listen to "Liz wouldn't approve of that". Sorry, but the image of John in a DRESS just sticks in my mind ("A Much Needed Holiday"). Hee hee! -Geoff In a message dated 98-01-23 20:12:34 EST, Shaun wrote: > Oh, I'm sure he has. But some of the things, Rachael wants to do, John > really wouldn't approve of (of course, I doubt he'd approve of some of my > money making schemes using TK. I'm glad John isn't on the list.) > > The difference is - I care about what John approves of. Rachael doesn't ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Amy Bridger Subject: Re: TPDIS: Dialog Question Date: 24 Jan 1998 23:58:52 +0800 At 09:32 AM 24/1/98 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-01-24 07:46:59 EST, a TP fan wrote: > >> I've also found Channel 7 rather bad for cutting tv shows up >I've always feared that DiC would take over The Tomorrrow People. They have >nasty habits like: cutting episodes, changing dialog, trying to make two >episodes into one, cutting scenes, etc... It would be a *nightmare*! > 0Geoff *shudder* Don't remind me, I just saw the orginal episodes 45 and 46. Man did DiC cut a lot out! A heck of a lot more than I thought. And of course don't forget the changing gender bit ;) (Can't you just see Kevin being dubbed as a female so he won't be a cross dresser when he uses Megabyte's sister's passport?) and the censorship. They would probably airbrush the teleporting scenes :). -- Amy Bridger (ami@full-moon.com) I am in AUSTRALIA! La dah deh da! I'm hyper and pyschic and I get bad headaches... draw your own conclusions. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kerry Blackwell" Subject: TPDIS: New Series Question Date: 25 Jan 1998 07:49:09 +1300 Has Gen. Damon's aide (Frank, the second one) ever been given a rank, or title, or anything? I believe he's never been given a canonical surname (so I made one up). I'm _very_ slowly writing some fanfic and the sticky question of what to call him when I want more than just "Frank" has come up. Thanks for any replies, Kerry -- kerry@needlecraft.co.nz "We shall be remembered in spite of ourselves" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hal Freeman Subject: Re: TPDIS: Dialog Question Date: 24 Jan 1998 15:49:02 -0600 Shaun Hately wrote: > > From: Speeeed > > > > Ahem, following my earlier effort, this is the missing line in its > > correct entirety :-) > > "Stephen's committed murder now - the murder of the one person who > had > > the knowledge and ability to defend the Tomorrow People." > > Thanks Tracey. > > I'm glad it's defend - like Ruby said, it was reasonably clear it > started > with def and I was worried it might be defeat (I didn't like the idea > of > Tricia saying that). > Uh BTW, is this Stephen the TP or another Stephen? Last I checked TP couldn't kill. I never saw the ep, (wahhhh!) Megan **** You never know who's out there watching you, and you never know who you're out there watching -Joshua "These Games that Telepaths Play" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Matott Subject: Re: TPDIS: ykybwtmtpw... Date: 24 Jan 1998 16:53:16 -0500 (EST) On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Hal Freeman wrote: > Hey, BTW, before you pull the test answers out of Ariana's head, > think, "What would the other TP say. What would John think of me?". That > right there has saved my sister countless times. What's the point in > education if you don't try at it? > Ah, but I wasn't saying I wasn't trying. I just said I think I passed by - unconsciously - reading the teacher's mind. Can't fault me for doing something I didn't mean to do. Call it pre-breakout uncontrolled mind reading. :-) mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hal Freeman Subject: Re: TPDIS: ykybwtmtpw... Date: 24 Jan 1998 16:59:46 -0600 > Call it pre-breakout uncontrolled mind > reading. :-) > > mike All right, Mike, I'll let you slide this once. :) If it's uncontrollable, then you're off the hook. Everyone knows that pre-break out incidents are purely involuntary and one can't be held accountable for it. Okay, you're excused this once, Megan ::getting very Johnish all the sudden:: ******* I think you love to be the simpleton I think you love to play the clown I think you are blind to the fact that The hand you hold is the hand that holds you down -"Everything to everyone" Everclear ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Yates" Subject: Re: TPDIS: ykybwtmtpw... Date: 25 Jan 1998 00:21:07 -0000 >Ah, but I wasn't saying I wasn't trying. I just said I think I passed by >- unconsciously - reading the teacher's mind. Can't fault me for doing >something I didn't mean to do. Call it pre-breakout uncontrolled mind >reading. :-) > >mike I doubt that John would approve of THAT either!!! David. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Dialog Question Date: 24 Jan 1998 23:39:26 +1100 > From: Jeremy Rogers > > It was usual in the mid 1970s for British programmes to be sent to > Australia on film, since the broadcasters were not then equipped for > 2" colour VT. In some respects it is interesting that they were sent > out in colour, but I think that the first showing would have been > more or less at the same time as colour TV started in Australia. I don't know when the first run of the Tomorrow People was in Australia, but this definitely seems a reasonable assumption. The first colour broadcasts in Australia were on 7th October 1974 (test patterns turned colour on that date) with actual programs being broadcast in colour from (I think) March 1975. Certainly at the time any film of the Tomorrow People was being sent from Britain, it would have been known that colour was imminent in Australia if not already in place. Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Dialog Question Date: 25 Jan 1998 13:02:06 +1100 > From: Amy Bridger > > Channel 7 showed the orginal series? How did I miss this?? > I stumbled upon the new series on the ABC last year, had no diea the > orginal series was shown so recently! > I've also found Channel 7 rather bad for cutting tv shows up (in on show > they cut out an entire 5 minute scene which was essteinal to the plot, but > that WAS during Agro's Cartoon Connectiong *YAY* no more AGro). Yes, Channel 7 did show the original series, but as I said it was last shown in 1991 early in the morning. IIRC, it moved around from about 4am to about 6.30 am. Back in the early/mid 80s when I discovered it, it was on after school - 4, 4.30, or 5pm, I'd guess. Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Dialog Question Date: 25 Jan 1998 13:04:09 +1100 > From: Hal Freeman > > Uh BTW, is this Stephen the TP or another Stephen? Last I checked TP > couldn't kill. > > I never saw the ep, (wahhhh!) Megan, yes it is Stephen the TP the quote refers to - but it's a case of mistake identity. Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ruby Red Subject: Re: TPDIS: Dialog Question Date: 25 Jan 1998 09:34:54 +1100 On Sat, Jan 24, 1998 at 03:49:02PM -0600, Hal Freeman wrote: > Shaun Hately wrote: > > > > From: Speeeed > > > > > > Ahem, following my earlier effort, this is the missing line in its > > > correct entirety :-) > > > "Stephen's committed murder now - the murder of the one person who had > > > the knowledge and ability to defend the Tomorrow People." > > > > Thanks Tracey. > > > > I'm glad it's defend - like Ruby said, it was reasonably clear it started > > with def and I was worried it might be defeat (I didn't like the idea of > > Tricia saying that). > > > > Uh BTW, is this Stephen the TP or another Stephen? Last I checked TP > couldn't kill. To answer that question would be to spoil that episode. -- Ruby Red "Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas any more." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: TPDIS: #TomorrowPeople Date: 25 Jan 1998 13:15:59 +1100 Is anyone coming to #TomorrowPeople to chat tonight? I'm there. Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hal Freeman Subject: Re: TPDIS: Dialog Question Date: 24 Jan 1998 21:21:13 -0600 Shaun Hately wrote: > > From: Hal Freeman > > > > Uh BTW, is this Stephen the TP or another Stephen? Last I checked > TP > > couldn't kill. > > > > I never saw the ep, (wahhhh!) > > Megan, yes it is Stephen the TP the quote refers to - but it's a case > of > mistake identity. > For a minute there I was beginning to worry. Whew! Stephen's still a good guy. Life can go on. Relieved, Megan **** "Oh Brad! Don't be so condescending!" "You mean condesating?" "No, but you are a bit drippy." -Brad and Maggie G:T- The Most Necessary of Evils ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tzm" Subject: Re: TPDIS: ykybwtmtpw... Date: 25 Jan 1998 07:17:40 -0500 While watching Stargate SG-1, while they are discussing how to get Teal'k out of the "prision", Daniel says "you mean break out"? and you think Great that means all 3 of them will teleport away to safety. When reading Jude Deveraux's new book An Angel for Emily, you keep calling it a Man for Emily everytime you make references to the book to others and only your brother knows that you have messed up the title. Tracey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeremy Rogers Subject: Re: TPDIS: Dialog Question Date: 26 Jan 1998 21:11:06 GMT > >I've always feared that DiC would take over The Tomorrrow People. They have > >nasty habits like: cutting episodes, changing dialog, trying to make two > >episodes into one, cutting scenes, etc... It would be a *nightmare*! > > 0Geoff > *shudder* Don't remind me, I just saw the orginal episodes 45 and 46. Man > did DiC cut a lot out! A heck of a lot more than I thought. You haven't seen the version of the miniseries released on video then. Very much a hatchet job. There were reformed versions produced by Tetra of both Rameses and Living Stones intended for video, but Thames didn't want to release any videos for reasons unknown. Jez -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tigger Subject: Re: TPDIS: Dialog Question Date: 26 Jan 1998 17:14:47 -0600 (CST) Jez wrote: >There were reformed versions produced by Tetra of both Rameses and >Living Stones intended for video, but Thames didn't want to release >any videos for reasons unknown. It's a part of a secret conspiracy headed by Jay Mulvaney to wipe the TP ooff the face of the earth. :) Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Matott Subject: Re: TPDIS: ykybwtmtpw... Date: 27 Jan 1998 17:00:07 -0500 Begin forwarded message: >Ah, but I wasn't saying I wasn't trying. I just said I think I passed by unconsciously - reading the teacher's mind. Can't fault me for doing something I didn't mean to do. Call it pre-breakout uncontrolled mind reading. :-) > >mike >>I doubt that John would approve of THAT either!!! Oh, bollox! (pardon my Brit slang) We all know how John is. Hmmph. Honestly, it's not like I did it on purpose. I didn't know any better. :-) mike - hoping this doesn't invalidate me from ever getting to use a stun-gun. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AmyH3x4 Subject: TPDIS: Earth in The Doomsday Men Date: 27 Jan 1998 17:54:24 EST Does anyone know why the background music for when they showed the space station was "Earth" from Symphony of the Planets (Holst I think it was...). Doesn't that violate... uh, copyright laws or something? It was a good effect on the ship part (except it got a bit repetitive when they showed the ship a lot), but does anyone know why they did it? Amy :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Yates" Subject: Re: TPDIS: ykybwtmtpw... Date: 27 Jan 1998 23:57:34 -0000 >Oh, bollox! (pardon my Brit slang) > >We all know how John is. Hmmph. Honestly, it's not like I did it on >purpose. I didn't know any better. :-) > >mike >- hoping this doesn't invalidate me from ever getting to use a >stun-gun. I don't think the "cheating" will stop you from using the stun-gun, but the "Brit slang" would!!!! You know how John is about language!!!!!! LOL. From David....(another Brit!!!!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Yates" Subject: TPDIS: #Tomorrow People. Date: 28 Jan 1998 00:02:36 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BD2B80.0A213A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can anyone please tell me which server #Tomorrow People is on??? Thanks. "Live long and prosper!" DAVID. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BD2B80.0A213A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Can anyone please tell me which server = #Tomorrow People=20 is on???
 
Thanks.
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------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BD2B80.0A213A80-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Speeeed Subject: Re: TPDIS: #Tomorrow People. Date: 28 Jan 1998 00:02:26 +0000 It's on Dalnet, David :) Tracey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Latimer84 Subject: Re: TPDIS: #Tomorrow People. Date: 27 Jan 1998 19:22:16 EST #TomorrowPeople is on DALNET, and it's Tomorrowpeople, one word! Hope this helps. -Geoff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: arpitp@juno.com (Ariana B) Subject: Re: TPDIS: Earth in The Doomsday Men Date: 28 Jan 1998 03:46:54 -0800 > Does anyone know why the background music for when they showed the space > station was "Earth" from Symphony of the Planets (Holst I think it was...). > Doesn't that violate... uh, copyright laws or something? It was a good effect > on the ship part (except it got a bit repetitive when they showed the ship a > lot), but does anyone know why they did it? that got me into trouble in music class a year ago. the teacher asked me if i knew what it was from, and i said "The Doomsday Men". after attempting to explain what it was, the teacher talked to me after class about "making dumb jokes in class". as for the copyright, isn't Holst dead? i don't know much about copyright laws, but who's copyright would it be violating? if he died before the laws were made, you'd think anyone could take it. kind of like Shakespeare - there are *so* many different publishers that publish his work. and, think how many times it's quoted! it would be impossible to register all of them. --Ariana "If I was telepathic, if I could teleport, it would be the dream of my life come true!" --Megabyte Damon, The Tomorrow People _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Earth in The Doomsday Men Date: 28 Jan 1998 13:06:26 +1100 > From: AmyH3x4 > > Does anyone know why the background music for when they showed the space > station was "Earth" from Symphony of the Planets (Holst I think it was...). > Doesn't that violate... uh, copyright laws or something? It was a good > effect on the ship part (except it got a bit repetitive when they showed > the ship a lot), but does anyone know why they did it? Well, I couldn't say if it was Holst or not - my knowledge of music is poor. But I do know a little about copyright. Holst was British, so I assume British law applies. In the case of musical works, if the work was published before the author's death (which it was - The Planets was written in 1916, and Holst died in 1934, according to my Encyclopedia) then the work is protected for 50 years from the end of the year in which the composer died. So 'The Symphony of the Planets' was protected until 1984. However copyright of a sound recording rests with the maker of the recording, not with the creator of the work. So I assume that something like the following happened. Someone obtained Holst's permission (or that of whoever he left the copyright to when he died) to make a sound recording, and then Thames obtained the rights to use that sound recording from the maker of the recording (who held the copyright of that recording). Anyway, that's my understanding (which may be totally incorrect) Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tzm" Subject: Re: TPDIS: ykybwtmtpw... Date: 27 Jan 1998 22:49:48 -0500 For us non Brits, what does that expression mean? Feel free to privately respnd if the expression is worse than PG. Tracey(tzm@frntiernet.net) ---------- > > > > > >Oh, bollox! (pardon my Brit slang) > > > >We all know how John is. Hmmph. Honestly, it's not like I did it on > >purpose. I didn't know any better. :-) > > > >mike > >- hoping this doesn't invalidate me from ever getting to use a > >stun-gun. > > I don't think the "cheating" will stop you from using the stun-gun, but > the "Brit slang" would!!!! You know how John is about language!!!!!! > LOL. > > >From David....(another Brit!!!!) > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tzm" Subject: Re: TPDIS: ykybwtmtpw... Date: 27 Jan 1998 22:49:48 -0500 For us non Brits, what does that expression mean? Feel free to privately respnd if the expression is worse than PG. Tracey(tzm@frntiernet.net) ---------- > > > > > >Oh, bollox! (pardon my Brit slang) > > > >We all know how John is. Hmmph. Honestly, it's not like I did it on > >purpose. I didn't know any better. :-) > > > >mike > >- hoping this doesn't invalidate me from ever getting to use a > >stun-gun. > > I don't think the "cheating" will stop you from using the stun-gun, but > the "Brit slang" would!!!! You know how John is about language!!!!!! > LOL. > > >From David....(another Brit!!!!) > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcell J. Elsegood" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Earth in The Doomsday Men Date: 28 Jan 1998 00:25:52 -0600 Um, it was Mars, Amy, and Holst doesn't have problems with copyrights either 1) Because they've expired in his case, or 2) some BBC orchestra recorded it. That's my guess. ---------- > From: AmyH3x4 > To: tpdis@xmission.com > Subject: TPDIS: Earth in The Doomsday Men > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 4:54 PM > > Does anyone know why the background music for when they showed the space > station was "Earth" from Symphony of the Planets (Holst I think it was...). > Doesn't that violate... uh, copyright laws or something? It was a good effect > on the ship part (except it got a bit repetitive when they showed the ship a > lot), but does anyone know why they did it? > > Amy :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeremy Rogers Subject: Re: TPDIS: Earth in The Doomsday Men Date: 28 Jan 1998 07:22:34 GMT "Shaun Hately" wrote: > Well, I couldn't say if it was Holst or not - my knowledge of music is > poor. But I do know a little about copyright. Holst was British, so I > assume British law applies. > In the case of musical works, if the work was published before the author's > death (which it was - The Planets was written in 1916, and Holst died in > 1934, according to my Encyclopedia) then the work is protected for 50 years > from the end of the year in which the composer died. So 'The Symphony of > the Planets' was protected until 1984. UK copyright law now extends copyright until 70 years after death, so Holst is back in copyright. There are various copyright organisations protecting the interests of composers, performers, and the recording industry. Jez -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Matott Subject: Re: TPDIS: ykybwtmtpw... Date: 28 Jan 1998 10:22:05 -0500 Begin forwarded message: - For us non Brits, what does that expression mean? Feel free to - privately respnd if the expression is worse than PG. - Tracey(tzm@frntiernet.net) > I don't think the "cheating" will stop you from using the stun-gun, but > the "Brit slang" would!!!! You know how John is about language!!!!!! > LOL. > > >From David....(another Brit!!!!) > Point of clarification: I'm not a Brit, just a Britophile, mainly in terms of British television and music. Otherwise I hate them, being an American of Irish, French-Canadian, and German descent. :-) I mispelled the word as a friend of mine (born and raised for a few years in England) pointed out. It's properly bollocks As for the meaning... it might not be PG, but I personally think it's not too "bad" a word. (It's part of that Cumbawubba song Tubthumper.) mike -trying to come up with a TP relevant bit and I can't (please don't hurt me) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PANNELLJ@delphi.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Earth in The Doomsday Men Date: 28 Jan 1998 11:09:16 -0500 (EST) >Does anyone know why the background music for when they showed the space >station was "Earth" from Symphony of the Planets (Holst I think it was...). There is no "Earth" movement in Holst's _The Planets_. The music was "Mars" from that piece. I believe the music is now old enough that it has passed into public domain. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AmyH3x4 Subject: Re: TPDIS: Earth in The Doomsday Men Date: 28 Jan 1998 14:35:36 EST >There is no "Earth" movement in Holst's _The Planets_. The music was "Mars" >from that piece. Oops, eh heh, my mistake. Amy :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: TPDIS: TP-related sighting Date: 29 Jan 1998 11:32:31 +1100 Tomorrow (Friday) evening on Australian TV (at least in Melbourne) at 9.00pm on Channel 9, the movie 'The Italian Job' will be shown. This film contains a pre-Tomorrow People appearance by Michael Standing (Ginge Harding) as Arthur. I haven't seen the movie for a long time so I have no idea how large his appearance is, but it's a very funny movie in any event. Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "heidi t." Subject: TPDIS: somewhat off-topic: humor related to castle of fear Date: 28 Jan 1998 20:55:50 -0500 An atheist was spending a quiet day fishing when suddenly his boat was attacked by the Loch Ness monster. In one easy flip, the beast tossed him and his boat high into the air. Then it opened its mouth to swallow both. As the man sailed head over heels, he cried out, "Oh, my God! Help me!" At once, the ferocious attack scene froze in place, and as the atheist hung in mid-air, a booming voice came down from the clouds, "I thought you didn't believe in Me!" "Come on God, give me a break!!," the man pleaded. "two minutes ago I didn't believe in the Loch Ness monster either!" heidi howard tandy "There are only two ways to live your life - one is as if everything is a miracle, the other is as though nothing is a miracle." - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Speeeed Subject: Re: TPDIS: ykybwtmtpw... Date: 29 Jan 1998 04:01:10 +0000 tzm wrote: > > For us non Brits, what does that expression mean? Hmmm...We usually utter that wonderful expression on these shores when what we mean is 'What you are saying is utter rubbish!' :) Tracey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jane Starr Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP-related sighting Date: 29 Jan 1998 20:32:40 -0700 At 11:32 AM 1/29/98 +1100, Shaun wrote: >Tomorrow (Friday) evening on Australian TV (at least in Melbourne) at >9.00pm on Channel 9, the movie 'The Italian Job' will be shown. > >This film contains a pre-Tomorrow People appearance by Michael Standing >(Ginge Harding) as Arthur. I haven't seen the movie for a long time so I >have no idea how large his appearance is, but it's a very funny movie in >any event. We've got that film on video (only because it has Minis in it - my husband's mania), and I've even watched it, but at the time I didn't realize that Arthur was "Ginge." Anyone without access to Australian TV can probably get it from the video store or the public library. I second Shaun's recommendation - it's quite a fun movie. The chase scene with the three Minis is a classic. Jane Jane Starr starr@planet.eon.net 9518-91 st., Edmonton, Alberta, Canada T6C 3P5 check out the new ON SPEC web page at www.icomm.ca/onspec/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: TPDIS: Well, I'm stumped Date: 31 Jan 1998 14:12:34 +1100 I've just been mailed two questions via my web page about the Tomorrow People. Now I'm inclined to believe that the person asking the question is misremembering the show, but just in case, I'm mailing this question to the list in case my own memory has failed me in this case. Was there a serial of the Tomorrow People where they went to Stone Henge? and Was there a serial where they were in a room and the roof lifted up to reveal a supernova? I'm wondering if the person is remembering scenes from a different show. Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears / |that might turn out to be just what the o=== ======================- |species needs.' \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' drednort@eisa.net.au | http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hal Freeman Subject: Re: TPDIS: Well, I'm stumped Date: 30 Jan 1998 22:17:32 -0600 Shaun Hately wrote: > I've just been mailed two questions via my web page about the Tomorrow > > People. Now I'm inclined to believe that the person asking the > question is > misremembering the show, but just in case, I'm mailing this question > to the > list in case my own memory has failed me in this case. > > Was there a serial of the Tomorrow People where they went to Stone > Henge? > > and > > Was there a serial where they were in a room and the roof lifted up to > > reveal a supernova? > > I'm wondering if the person is remembering scenes from a different > show. You? Stumped? Will wonders never cease? Stone Henge is possible, considering that the TP have gone to some of the funkiest places I've ever imagined, and the roof thing, well, I can't say that I think it would have happened. Don't remember the Lab or anything else having portable rooves. I'll have to do some homework (the kind people like) Megan ***** When a mystery is too overpowering, one dare not disobey -Author "The Little Prince" Antoine de Saint-Exupery ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: arpitp@juno.com (Ariana B) Subject: Re: TPDIS: Well, I'm stumped Date: 30 Jan 1998 06:26:22 -0800 Shaun wrote: > Was there a serial where they were in a room and the roof lifted up to > reveal a supernova? well, if the person hasn't seen the show in quite a few years (and maybe was young when they saw it? i know i misremembered pieces of The Origin Story one because i was sick, two because i was 8 years old when i first saw it) perhaps the scene "pyramid power" scene in The Rameses Connection - or even more possibly the scene in the 5th chapter with all the stars. it could be misinterpreted. (i'm grasping for absolutely anything and everything here - can you tell? (= ) --Ariana "If I was telepathic, if I could teleport, it would be the dream of my life come true!" --Megabyte Damon, The Tomorrow People _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ruby Red Subject: Re: TPDIS: Well, I'm stumped Date: 31 Jan 1998 16:46:58 +1100 On Sat, Jan 31, 1998 at 02:12:34PM +1100, Shaun Hately wrote: > I've just been mailed two questions via my web page about the Tomorrow > People. Now I'm inclined to believe that the person asking the question is > misremembering the show, but just in case, I'm mailing this question to the > list in case my own memory has failed me in this case. > > Was there a serial of the Tomorrow People where they went to Stone Henge? No. They didn't go in the new series, and I can't recall any episode in the old series where Stonehenge was featured either. They went to Egypt in both series, though. Maybe they're mixed up with that. > and > > Was there a serial where they were in a room and the roof lifted up to > reveal a supernova? No. No such scene can be retrieved from the filing cabinets of my memory. And it sounds like such a dramatic scene too. > I'm wondering if the person is remembering scenes from a different show. I think so. Doctor Who seems a pretty likely candidate. Though the Doctor didn't go to Stonehenge, there was an adventure, one of the Key To Time ones, which featured a Stone Circle rather significantly in the episode. As for supernovas, well, space scenes, anyway. -- Ruby Red "Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas any more." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Trina L. Short" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Well, I'm stumped Date: 31 Jan 1998 01:01:00 -0500 Shaun Hately wrote: =20 > Was there a serial of the Tomorrow People where they went to Stone Heng= e? If this person is American, they may be mixed up with The Living Stones (not the New TP serial) with Gareth Thomas that was part of "The Third Eye" a series of British Kids Miniseries that aired on Nickelodeon when the Original series did. This series had Iain Cuthbertson and he turned people into happy people and I forget how he did it. :) But it takes place in a town surrounded by stones like those at Stone Henge. =20 > Was there a serial where they were in a room and the roof lifted up to > reveal a supernova? This wasn't in the Tomorrow People series to my knowledge and I can't think of where I've seen it. --=20 trinalin =A91998 ACME Page Fillers, Inc. http://home.earthlink.net/~trinalin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeremy Rogers Subject: Re: TPDIS: Well, I'm stumped Date: 31 Jan 1998 06:58:07 GMT "Shaun Hately" wrote: > Was there a serial of the Tomorrow People where they went to Stone Henge? > and > Was there a serial where they were in a room and the roof lifted up to > reveal a supernova? > I'm wondering if the person is remembering scenes from a different show. Sounds like the 1977 HTV series 'Children of the Stones' to me (only the cicle there was Avebury). I have seen this confusion elsewhere as this was being cycled on Nickelodeon US as well as TP in the early 1980s. Jez -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Yates" Subject: TPDIS: Re: Tomorrow People Screen saver. Date: 31 Jan 1998 14:07:26 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BD2E51.8F4F27C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just a thought, but is there anyone out there who knows how to make a TP = Screen saver? I wouldn't know where to begin! If there is a TP Screen = saver already in existence, can someone tell me how to find it????? "Live long and prosper!" DAVID. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BD2E51.8F4F27C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just a thought, but is there anyone out there = who knows=20 how to make a TP Screen saver? I wouldn't know where to begin! If there = is a TP=20 Screen saver already in existence, can someone tell me how to find=20 it?????
"Live long and = prosper!"
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Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Megan Delaney Subject: TPDIS: Top 10 Reasons TP's should know Calculus Date: 31 Jan 1998 15:49:36 -0600 (CST) There was a discussion earlier on what math TP's should know. And, as a math major, I thought I needed to put in my 2 cents. Top Ten Reasons Knoing Calculus is Helpful for TP's: 10) Calculating Jaunts 9) Orbit Trajectories of Satellites 8) Confusing Mike 7) Fixing Tim 6) Checking TIM's calculations (if he can manage to burn the toast . . . ) 5) Helping John with his inventions 4) Telepathically share all the answers to Calculus problems with your friends3) Just in case a mad physict (rather than a biologist) tries to take over the world 2) a mad mathematician And the number one reason Calculus is Helpful to TP's is . . . 1) The Entrance Exam to the Galactic Trig school Maria ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bookwyrm@sprynet.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Well, I'm stumped Date: 31 Jan 1998 15:39:33 -0800 (PST) > Was there a serial of the Tomorrow People where they went to Stone > Henge? Was there a serial where they were in a room and the roof > lifted up to reveal a supernova? I can't recall anything in the TP that would fit either of these descriptions. From the descriptions, it sounds like they could *possibly* be remembing scenes from "Children of the Stones". This was another British show that Nickelodeon used to run. If I remember correctly, it and Tomorrow People were originally run in the same time slot (also cycled through with "The Haunting of Cassie Palmer" and "Into the Labyrinth"). TP was later moved to it's own slot. ... Wendy bookwyrm@sprynet.com * http://www.xmission.com/~ladyslvr/ Listowner Tomorrow People Creative and Discussion Lists Asst. Listowner Sliders Creative & Discussion Lists at esosoft ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Temesha Chatman Subject: RE: TPDIS: Re: Tomorrow People Screen saver. Date: 31 Jan 1998 20:44:02 -0500 -----Original Message----- Sent: Saturday, January 31, 1998 3:04 PM All you need is the after dark module "slide show" and a graphical web browser. You then copy lots of TP pictures off the web and convert them into the proper format (pict for Mac, I don't know what for IBM's) and put them inthe same folder. Then designate that as the picture folder for slide show and there you have it tons of tp pics pop up on your computer when it's napping. That's what mine does (well, except for that random Mission:Genesis/Deepwater: Black picture). Tigger Use bitmap (BMP) files for IBMs. Great minds think alike. I created an After Dark module for my computer, too.. :-) --Temesha ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tzm" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Well, I'm stumped Date: 31 Jan 1998 22:16:20 -0500 It sounds to me like they are combing some scenes from Ramases Connection and the movie Stargate. Tracey ---------- > > > I've just been mailed two questions via my web page about the Tomorrow > People. Now I'm inclined to believe that the person asking the question is > misremembering the show, but just in case, I'm mailing this question to the > list in case my own memory has failed me in this case. > > Was there a serial of the Tomorrow People where they went to Stone Henge? > > and > > Was there a serial where they were in a room and the roof lifted up to > reveal a supernova? > > I'm wondering if the person is remembering scenes from a different show. > > Yours Without Wax, |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how > Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears > / |that might turn out to be just what the > o=== ======================- |species needs.' > \ |- Stephanie Tolan 'Welcome to the Ark' > drednort@eisa.net.au | > http://www.eisa.net.au/~drednort/thelab.html > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Latimer84@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Well, I'm stumped Date: 31 Jan 1998 23:07:31 EST There was a movie very like "The Living Stones" called "The Seed People" (talk about weird!). There were stars in that, and explosions, so that might be the nova thing.... -Geoff the Guesser! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Amanda Ohlin Subject: Re: TPDIS: TP dream Date: 16 Jan 1998 09:52:47 -0500 At 08:46 PM 3/16/98 +0800, Amy wrote: >I haven't had many TP dreams (which is kinda weird for me). Me neither....UNTIL this thread started up! After reading the last 2 or 3 posts on the subject that came in last night, I went to bed. Not only did I manage to get eight hours sleep, I had a weird dream involving Adam, Megabyte, Jade, and two of my classes. Megabyte was having it out with my sociology prof (sort of a wise-cracking duel) and Jade was asking ten million pointless questions in my English class. Adam didn't really do anything. I'm not kidding. The scary thing is that I have both of those classes today. I wonder..... :) >But I do remember very strongly Adam saying, "You are the next generation of >Tomorrow People". And I think had another dream too about new episodes being on. (sigh) Haven't we all? Mine mostly occur in my Statistics class. :) Running to get to Sociology, -- Amanda Ohlin (aka Mandi) fanfic fanatic and nitpicker extraordinaire nemesis of the Hood College foodservice staff "Now, there's the difference between our roles in society. You all are not willing to make total fools of yourselves--whereas I make a career out of it!" --Dr. Roger Reitman http://weirdweb.simplenet.com/