From: owner-utah-astronomy-digest@lists.xmission.com (utah-astronomy-digest) To: utah-astronomy-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: utah-astronomy-digest V1 #39 Reply-To: utah-astronomy-digest Sender: owner-utah-astronomy-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-utah-astronomy-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk utah-astronomy-digest Tuesday, April 10 2001 Volume 01 : Number 039 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 20:16:27 -0600 From: Patrick Wiggins Subject: (utah-astronomy) SPOC cleanup postponed Citing weather concerns, SPOC director Bruce Grim has postponed tomorrow's (Saturday the 7th) clean up at SPOC. No new date has been set. +++++ The North American Meteor Network's April newsletter is avaialbe at http://Web.InfoAve.Net/~meteorobs/namnnotes0104.html . +++++ Southern Stars Systems is pleased to announce that SkySight for Windows and Macintosh is now available as a free public beta. For more information, please see our web site: http://www.southernstars.com/skysight/index.html We haven't yet implemented all of the features we'd have liked, and there are still a few kinks that need to be worked out. But even so, SkySight -- right now -- is such a useful product that we couldn't justify keeping it from the astronomical community any longer. And best of all, it's free! +++++ - - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 22:31:29 -0600 From: "Chris Russell" Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) Re: Planets & Drake equation I'm sure most of the information I've seen regarding the Drake Equation were a few years old, so I'm not suprised to find that they've changed. Thanks for filling me in, I'll have to keep an eye out for the recent numbers and analysis. I, for one, like to take a more optomistic outlook on humanity. Call it the "Star Trek" streak in me, but I would like to hope that as humanity wakes up more and more from history and we understand our part in the universe (I.E., there may not be anything to save us from ourselves) we can clean up our act. But, I certainly think there's no excuse to not try and "wake up" now... Just my $.10. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Hards" To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:16 AM Subject: (utah-astronomy) Re: Planets & Drake equation > Chris, I can't cite the reference right now, but I > recall reading in the last few years that all the > variables had beed revised downward. A lot of it had > to do with expected lifetimes of civilizations; there > could well be thousands of technically advanced > cultures born of a typical galaxy, but time scales are > long, and, using earthly species as a model (all we've > got at present) most life forms don't hang around for > very long. The gist was that the sentient beings > wouldn't exist at the same time. > > Look at humanity, for example. We've only been around > for a few tens of thousands of years; you could > possibly extend that to a million or two if you > generously extended the title of "humanity" to our > short, hairy ancestors from Olduvai Gorge and similar > places. We've only had a good grip on industrial > technology for a century, maybe two, and already the > result is mass extinction on a scale normally reserved > for asteroid impacts and massive volcanism. Obviously > (obvious to all except those making money from it) > this is unsustainable, and who knows the end result? > It could be only a matter of decades before the entire > eco-system collapses, 99% of life dies off, and the > evolutionary race begins anew. If this happens, it's > solid proof that humanity is an evolutionary dead-end. > Something else will fill our niche, and perhaps do a > better job of stewardship. > > So, only a few hundred years as "top of the heap" > doesn't give us much time to find others among the > stars, does it? > > The Drake Equation can be used as a speculative tool, > likewise it can be manipulated to help secure grant > money for underemployed scientists. Such is the case > when EVERY factor in the equation is an unknown > variable! > > Chuck > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > - > To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 08:57:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Chuck Hards Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) Re: Redwood Mutli-Purpose center I'll look into the issues mentioned. There are acres of parking, however. C. - --- Patrick Wiggins wrote: > Chuck Hards wrote: > > > > I vote in favor of trying the place out. I used > to > > attend meetings of the Sci-Fi club there, in the > > '70's. > > Points to be addressed at this and any site should > probably include: > > 1) The availability of audio/visual equipment > (projectors, screen, PA system) > 2) Would the room routinely be available on the 3rd > Thursday of the month > 3) Would we have to set up and take down chairs > 4) Is there adequate near by parking > 5) Is there a fee > Chuck, would you care to check these out and report > your findings at the next meeting? > > > But the really important question is: > > What's the closest restaraunt for "advanced > training"? > That one I can answer now. There's a Village Inn > just down the road at 45th and > Redwood. The down side there is that that's the > place that always serves > Siegfried first even if he shows up late... :-) > > - > To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email > to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of > the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and > old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in > your message. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 09:12:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Chuck Hards Subject: (utah-astronomy) "Weightless" mounts and scope available Another buyer has backed out due to job loss. (Things are getting rough around here!) This makes available a "Weightless" mount with 65mm, f/13.6 doublet refractor. I'll bring it to the swap meet if it doesn't sell sooner. The scope features a "Quickfinder" by Rigel Systems, an erect-image 90-degree diagonal, 1.25" rack-and-pinion focuser. The objective is American-made, and diffraction-limited. Coated. This is the "Mark-II" version, several minor changes and improvements over the original seen in S & T. It is supplied with the "Universal" cradle, which will accept ANY small telescope with a standard tripod socket. The included refractor is mounted on an aluminum baseplate, with clamp rings. Either see me at the swap meet next week, or call me at home in the evenings only: (801) 969-5647. I also have an identical mount with an Orion 90mm Maksutov & 45-degree erecting diagonal available, at a somewhat higher price. It, too will be at the swap meet/sun party (anybody remember what the sun looks like?) if not sold sooner. If you've been looking for a small, quick set-up scope for solar observation, brighter deep-sky stuff, lunar and planetary observing, this is your big chance to own one made by (ahem) the best ATM in the field that I personally know! Thanks for your time! (Thanks, Cynthia...your check's in the mail;) Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 11:49:07 -0600 From: Patrick Wiggins Subject: (utah-astronomy) Re: "Weightless" mounts and scope available Hi Chuck, Would you like me to put your message on the email list I maintain? Patrick :-) Chuck Hards wrote: > > Another buyer has backed out due to job loss. (Things > are getting rough around here!) This makes available > a "Weightless" mount with 65mm, f/13.6 doublet > refractor. I'll bring it to the swap meet if it > doesn't sell sooner. - - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 03:16:42 -0600 From: Patrick Wiggins Subject: (utah-astronomy) News (includes new aurora pix) Aaron Barson passes along some of his pictures of last month's auroral display: http://planet.state.ut.us/slas/aaronb/aaronb.html Aaron says he plans on showing his pictures at the next SLAS meeting. +++++ As many of you may know, I've started showing videos in the lecture hall starting 45 minutes before the start of each month's SLAS meeting for those who arrive early. This month I have two topical videos to choose from and would like your opinions as to which to show (the "winner" will be shown before this month's meeting and the "loser" will be shown prior to the May meeting). Choice #1: A professional video showing auroral displays as seen from Alaska, shot with a video camera which has the same sensitivity of the human eye. Choice #2: Coverage of yesterday's 2001 Mars Odyssey launch including views from two on board cameras, one facing forward and one looking aft from launch to spin up and separation of the third stage and Odyssey. Please cast you votes soon. +++++ The April issue of OAS's Star Diagonal contains a really nice image of the recent monster sunspot group taken by OAS member Jim Seargeant. Plus there's also a nice article on putting together a radio telescope using a backyard satellite dish. In case you're not familiar with the Star Diagonal you can see it and lots of other OAS related stuff at http://physics.weber.edu/oas/oas.html . Also, the (Hansen) planetarium has a hard copy collection going back several years. +++++ And speaking of hard copy collections, if all goes according to plan, during the break in this month's SLAS meeting, folks will have an opportunity to look through a bound collection of every issue of the SLAS newsletter from the early 70s to the end of the century (including one "banned" edition that was never mailed out). +++++ This from SLAS's Chuck Hards: Another buyer has backed out due to job loss. (Things are getting rough around here!) This makes available a "Weightless" mount with 65mm, f/13.6 doublet refractor. I'll bring it to the swap meet if it doesn't sell sooner. The scope features a "Quickfinder" by Rigel Systems, an erect-image 90-degree diagonal, 1.25" rack-and-pinion focuser. The objective is American-made, and diffraction-limited. Coated. This is the "Mark-II" version, several minor changes and improvements over the original seen in S & T. It is supplied with the "Universal" cradle, which will accept ANY small telescope with a standard tripod socket. The included refractor is mounted on an aluminum baseplate, with clamp rings. Either see me at the swap meet next week, or call me at home in the evenings only: (801) 969-5647. I also have an identical mount with an Orion 90mm Maksutov & 45-degree erecting diagonal available, at a somewhat higher price. It, too will be at the swap meet/sun party (anybody remember what the sun looks like?) if not sold sooner. If you've been looking for a small, quick set-up scope for solar observation, brighter deep-sky stuff, lunar and planetary observing, this is your big chance to own one made by (ahem) the best ATM in the field that I personally know! Note: Chuck's piece originally ran on the Utah Astronomy list serve. If you're not already subscribed (it's free) see: http://www.xmission.com/~lucyblue/utahastro.html +++++ NASA's return to Mars began at 11:02 a.m. Eastern time this morning, April 7, as the 2001 Mars Odyssey spacecraft roared into space onboard a Delta II launch vehicle from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Fla. About 53 minutes later, at 11:55 a.m. Eastern time, flight controllers at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory received the first signal from the spacecraft through the Deep Space Network station in Canberra, Australia indicating that all is well aboard the orbiter. More at: http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/odyssey +++++ Nothing goes to waste on the International Space Station - nearly everything is recycled. What makes this ecologist's dream world work? Some of the fanciest plumbing in the solar system! More at: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast03apr_2.htm?list102591 - - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 22:33:46 -0600 From: Patrick Wiggins Subject: (utah-astronomy) News Mars Odyssey Launch Replays Video replays from last Saturday's successful launch of the Mars Odyssey spacecraft, along with some selected launch photos, are available here: http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/odyssey/mission/launch.html The video files are in Real Player format, and a Real Player plugin is required to run the videos, which can be obtained here at no charge: http://www.realplayer.com +++++ A Reminder Don't forget the swap meet / Sun party this coming Saturday morning (the 14th) at the Harmons in Roy (5370 S 1900 W). Swap meet starts at 10:00 am. Sun party starts at 11:00 am. SLAS's H-alpha solar filter is scheduled to be there, attached to the Brandt refractor. We'll also try for a few planets and a bright star or two. No doubt an "Advanced Training Session" (lunch) will follow. +++++ For Sale Time to sell off or trade some excess "stuff". JVC VHS-C Camcorder Package. Full auto focus, 6:1 Zoom with Marco, Output and "Input" Cables allowing for in-field Astronomical hook-up to telescopes with CCD Eyepiece Cameras. Hard shell case, charger, manuals etc., Excellent Condition ! $150 Stereo Microscope, Explore Inner Space! Edmund Scientific 20X/40X Model with duel inclining 23mm eyepieces on a rotating 360 Degree Head, Built in above and below stage Illumination. Can be seen in your current Edmund Scientific Catalog. $275 MINOLTA AF 35-70mm F3.5-4.5 Lens. Auto focus Lens Only ! $25.00 Contact: Tom Henchy 268-1268, E-Mail: epochman@juno.com +++++ - - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:30:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Tenney Subject: (utah-astronomy) Fwd: [obsessionusers] New 16 type 5 and new 5,7,9 type 6 Naglers! - --0-1973594324-986916642=:38252 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In case you have some extra cash to indulge yourself with... Note: forwarded message attached. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi everyone, Exciting new eyepieces from TeleVue. This just in my mail today. Eyepiece descriptions below are quoted from TeleVue's dealer flyer. Looks like Al Nagler did it again. I'm assuming that the new 16mm Type 5 and the new 5mm, 7mm, and 9mm Type 6s described below are as good (or better!) than the 31 Type 5 Nagler so I'm getting them all. That 31 Nagler Type 5 is simply the best eyepiece I've ever seen. I've included my OEM price list below for anyone that wants to order anything. TeleVue says "early summer" availability. I expect these will be extremely popular and will be severly backordered just like the 31 Naglers were last year. So if you are interested send your order to me NOW before TeleVue gets buried in orders like last time. (it took 8 months for them to finally catch up on the 31s!) It's interesting. I talked to Al on the phone a month ago and told him that in my opinion, the 31 Nagler type 5 was so much better than anything else that why doesn't he make a full series of them. He just laughed at me. Apparently he had these up his sleeve the whole time but didn't want to tell me then. I will try to repeat this announcement weekly for those that might miss it. OBSESSION OEM PRICE LIST 5 mm Nagler, 82=B0 field 1 1/4" Type 6, eyepiece $275 7 mm Nagler, 82=B0 field 1 1/4" Type 6, eyepiece $275 9 mm Nagler, 82=B0 field 1 1/4" Type 6, eyepiece $275 12 mm Nagler, 82=B0 field 2/1 1/4" Type 4, eyepiece $330 16 mm Nagler, 82=B0 field 1 1/4" Type 5, eyepiece $320 17 mm Nagler, 82=B0 field 2" Type 4, eyepiece $360 22 mm Nagler, 82=B0 field 2" Type 4, eyepiece $425 31 mm Nagler, 82=B0 field 2" Type 5, eyepiece $575 To order, please send payment in full plus $12 per order for postage. (so if you order more than one eyepiece the postage is still $12) Sorry no credit cards. Please pay by check and send to: OBSESSION TELESCOPES PO BOX 804 LAKE MILLS, WI 53551 Hope you like them and enjoy the views! DAVE K Text below quoted from TeleVue's dealer flyer: NEW 16mm Nagler Type 5 In early summer of 2001 we expect to have an all new 16mm Nagler Type 5 in your hands. This eyepiece is a smaller, lighter (0.45 lbs), 1 1/4 inch only, 6 element design which will replace the current 8 element16mm Nagler Type 2. It retains the original 10mm eye relief. This exciting little eyepiece looks like a 19mm Panoptic, buit packs the visual impact and sharpness we all expect from the 82 degree Nagler series. This is the "mystery" eyepiece Al snuck around with at this years Winter Star Party. It's performance generated a lot of buzz with the big Dob crowd. NEW 9mm, 7mm, 5mm Nagler Type 6s That's right folks, this new 7 element design updated for the short focal length Naglers deserves it's own designation. Using different exotic materials, coating processes and design ingenuity, Al has massaged more eye relief, contrast, and true field of view into the shorter focal length Naglers, while maintaining the absolute sharpness of the originals. Eye relief is 12 mm on each model, and all are sized about the same as the original 7mm. Weight is about 0.5 lbs. The goal we set designing these new eyepieces was to increase contrat and eye relief, reduce size and weight, and maintain the sharpness of the originals. They are all parfocal and great with the Bino View. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obsessionusers-unsubscribe@egroups.com =20 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/=20 - --part1_aa.13a8b3ef.2803a099_boundary-- - --0-1973594324-986916642=:38252-- - - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:49:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Chuck Hards Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) Fwd: [obsessionusers] New 16 type 5 and new 5,7,9 type 6 Naglers! Rich, you are a BIG TEASE! HOWEVER, it's the same old TeleVue problem. 10 to 16mm of eye relief isn't enough for me with these eyepieces. I've never been able to use short f.l. Naglers due to having to almost touch my eyeball to the glass. I need my glasses to correct astigmatism, but can get away without them with just about any eyepiece EXCEPT TeleVues & Naglers! For some reason, they are not forgiving of the astigmatism, and it has always been maddening! Obviously, with glasses on, one cannot reap the benefits of the wide field, and you wind up with the performance of Any Old Eyepiece. I still maintian that they are soft in the center of the field; Japanese orthos are sharper. Too, I can detect dimming...there is obviously a lot of absorption going on in all that glass. But still, I wish I could play, too! The Panoptics are VERY sharp eyepieces, however. IF I had the money for TV eyepieces, that's where I'd sink it. You're still a tease! Chuck YMMV; this is just my personal opinion and experience. Anybody ever notice that Al Nagler looks like Buddha? - --- Richard Tenney wrote: > In case you have some extra cash to indulge yourself > with... > > > Note: forwarded message attached. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:21:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Chuck Hards Subject: (utah-astronomy) Sun party/Swap meet directions Could someone familiar with the location please post the address and directions one more time? Space limitations of these "free" email accounts prohibit some of us from saving many messages for long. It's probably safe to assume that most of us will take I-15 to get there... Thanks! Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:23:59 -0600 From: "Brent Watson" Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) Fwd: [obsessionusers] New 16 type 5 and new 5,7,9 type 6 Naglers! Chuck, Have you tried to get a lens ground to your astigmatism (0 power) = prescription and use it in the front of the eyepiece in a filter threaded = adapter? I know of no one who has done this, but I bet it woud wrok. = Then you wouldn't have to wear glasses to use your scope. Brent >>> chuckhards@yahoo.com 04/10/01 11:49AM >>> Rich, you are a BIG TEASE! HOWEVER, it's the same old TeleVue problem. 10 to 16mm of eye relief isn't enough for me with these eyepieces. =20 I've never been able to use short f.l. Naglers due to having to almost touch my eyeball to the glass. I need my glasses to correct astigmatism, but can get away without them with just about any eyepiece EXCEPT TeleVues & Naglers! For some reason, they are not forgiving of the astigmatism, and it has always been maddening! Obviously, with glasses on, one cannot reap the benefits of the wide field, and you wind up with the performance of Any Old Eyepiece. I still maintian that they are soft in the center of the field; Japanese orthos are sharper. Too, I can detect dimming...there is obviously a lot of absorption going on in all that glass. But still, I wish I could play, too! The Panoptics are VERY sharp eyepieces, however. IF I had the money for TV eyepieces, that's where I'd sink it. You're still a tease! Chuck YMMV; this is just my personal opinion and experience. Anybody ever notice that Al Nagler looks like Buddha? - --- Richard Tenney wrote: > In case you have some extra cash to indulge yourself > with... >=20 >=20 > Note: forwarded message attached. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail.=20 http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/=20 - - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.c= om" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:30:53 -0600 From: "Brent Watson" Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) Sun party/Swap meet directions Proceed north on I-15 to exit 341, Roy. This is the exit where the Hill = AFB Museum is. After exiting the freeway, turn left (west) and go to 1900 = West. This is the first light west of I-15. =20 Turn right (north) at 1900 West Continue north four bocks. You will go = through one more red light and Harmon's will be on your right. It is on = the southwest corner of 1900 West and Riverdale Road. Brent >>> chuckhards@yahoo.com 04/10/01 01:21PM >>> Could someone familiar with the location please post the address and directions one more time? Space limitations of these "free" email accounts prohibit some of us from saving many messages for long. It's probably safe to assume that most of us will take I-15 to get there... Thanks! Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail.=20 http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/=20 - - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.c= om" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:44:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Chuck Hards Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) Fwd: [obsessionusers] New 16 type 5 and new 5,7,9 type 6 Naglers! Hi Brent: I've thought about it... Roger Sinnott at S & T has done it, I think Bruce has, too. There are trade-offs, though, keeping the glasses on lets me go from one telescope to another, to the binos, to "naked-eye" quickly and without fumbling. I guess I could obtain a prescription lens for every apparatus, but I'd still need them for "naked" eye glances. In the end, it doesn't seem worth it just to use a particular brand of eyepiece. The best solution are contact lenses, if I could stand the sensation. I've never been able to leave a test pair in for more than 3 seconds before being driven insane. (now just a short walk....) Chuck - --- Brent Watson wrote: > Chuck, > > Have you tried to get a lens ground to your > astigmatism (0 power) prescription and use it in the > front of the eyepiece in a filter threaded adapter? > I know of no one who has done this, but I bet it > woud wrok. Then you wouldn't have to wear glasses > to use your scope. > > Brent > > >>> chuckhards@yahoo.com 04/10/01 11:49AM >>> > Rich, you are a BIG TEASE! > > HOWEVER, it's the same old TeleVue problem. 10 to > 16mm of eye relief isn't enough for me with these > eyepieces. > > I've never been able to use short f.l. Naglers due > to > having to almost touch my eyeball to the glass. I > need my glasses to correct astigmatism, but can get > away without them with just about any eyepiece > EXCEPT > TeleVues & Naglers! For some reason, they are not > forgiving of the astigmatism, and it has always been > maddening! Obviously, with glasses on, one cannot > reap the benefits of the wide field, and you wind up > with the performance of Any Old Eyepiece. I still > maintian that they are soft in the center of the > field; Japanese orthos are sharper. Too, I can > detect > dimming...there is obviously a lot of absorption > going > on in all that glass. But still, I wish I could > play, > too! > > The Panoptics are VERY sharp eyepieces, however. IF > I > had the money for TV eyepieces, that's where I'd > sink > it. > > You're still a tease! > > Chuck > > YMMV; this is just my personal opinion and > experience. > > Anybody ever notice that Al Nagler looks like > Buddha? > > --- Richard Tenney wrote: > > In case you have some extra cash to indulge > yourself > > with... > > > > > > Note: forwarded message attached. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > - > To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email > to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of > the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and > old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in > your message. > > > - > To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email > to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of > the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and > old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in > your message. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:46:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Chuck Hards Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) Sun party/Swap meet directions Many thanks, Brent! Chuck - --- Brent Watson wrote: > Proceed north on I-15 to exit 341, Roy. This is the > exit where the Hill AFB Museum is. After exiting > the freeway, turn left (west) and go to 1900 West. > This is the first light west of I-15. > > Turn right (north) at 1900 West Continue north four > bocks. You will go through one more red light and > Harmon's will be on your right. It is on the > southwest corner of 1900 West and Riverdale Road. > > Brent > > >>> chuckhards@yahoo.com 04/10/01 01:21PM >>> > Could someone familiar with the location please post > the address and directions one more time? > > Space limitations of these "free" email accounts > prohibit some of us from saving many messages for > long. > > It's probably safe to assume that most of us will > take > I-15 to get there... > > Thanks! > > Chuck > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! 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For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:49:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Chuck Hards Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) Fwd: [obsessionusers] New 16 type 5 and new 5,7,9 type 6 Naglers! You know, it's been so many years now, that it occurs to me that perhaps I've developed a prejudice against Naglers (the eyepiece, not the person!) that may be too deep-seated to combat. Curmudgeonly, Chuck - --- Chuck Hards wrote: > Hi Brent: > > I've thought about it... Roger Sinnott at S & T has > done it, I think Bruce has, too. There are > trade-offs, though, keeping the glasses on lets me > go > from one telescope to another, to the binos, to > "naked-eye" quickly and without fumbling. I guess I > could obtain a prescription lens for every > apparatus, > but I'd still need them for "naked" eye glances. > > In the end, it doesn't seem worth it just to use a > particular brand of eyepiece. > > The best solution are contact lenses, if I could > stand > the sensation. I've never been able to leave a test > pair in for more than 3 seconds before being driven > insane. (now just a short walk....) > > Chuck > > --- Brent Watson wrote: > > Chuck, > > > > Have you tried to get a lens ground to your > > astigmatism (0 power) prescription and use it in > the > > front of the eyepiece in a filter threaded > adapter? > > I know of no one who has done this, but I bet it > > woud wrok. Then you wouldn't have to wear glasses > > to use your scope. > > > > Brent > > > > >>> chuckhards@yahoo.com 04/10/01 11:49AM >>> > > Rich, you are a BIG TEASE! > > > > HOWEVER, it's the same old TeleVue problem. 10 to > > 16mm of eye relief isn't enough for me with these > > eyepieces. > > > > I've never been able to use short f.l. Naglers due > > to > > having to almost touch my eyeball to the glass. I > > need my glasses to correct astigmatism, but can > get > > away without them with just about any eyepiece > > EXCEPT > > TeleVues & Naglers! For some reason, they are not > > forgiving of the astigmatism, and it has always > been > > maddening! Obviously, with glasses on, one cannot > > reap the benefits of the wide field, and you wind > up > > with the performance of Any Old Eyepiece. I still > > maintian that they are soft in the center of the > > field; Japanese orthos are sharper. Too, I can > > detect > > dimming...there is obviously a lot of absorption > > going > > on in all that glass. But still, I wish I could > > play, > > too! > > > > The Panoptics are VERY sharp eyepieces, however. > IF > > I > > had the money for TV eyepieces, that's where I'd > > sink > > it. > > > > You're still a tease! > > > > Chuck > > > > YMMV; this is just my personal opinion and > > experience. > > > > Anybody ever notice that Al Nagler looks like > > Buddha? > > > > --- Richard Tenney wrote: > > > In case you have some extra cash to indulge > > yourself > > > with... > > > > > > > > > Note: forwarded message attached. > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! 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