From: utahoutdoors-owner@xmission.com To: utahoutdoors-digest@xmission.com Subject: utahoutdoors Digest V2 #1 Reply-To: utahoutdoors@xmission.com Errors-To: utahoutdoors-owner@xmission.com Precedence: utahoutdoors Digest Saturday, 27 July 1996 Volume 02 : Number 001 In this issue: [OUTDOORS] Wrangler vs. Explorer? Re: [OUTDOORS] Wrangler vs. Explorer? Re: [OUTDOORS] Wrangler vs. Explorer? Re: [OUTDOORS] Wrangler vs. Explorer? [OUTDOORS] Wrangler vs. Explorer? -Reply [OUTDOORS] Tent reccomendations. Re: [OUTDOORS] Wrangler vs. Explorer? RE: [OUTDOORS] Tent reccomendations. Re: [OUTDOORS] Wrangler vs. Explorer? [OUTDOORS] Uinta hikes [OUTDOORS] Mt. Nebo [OUTDOORS] Outdoor humor [OUTDOORS] Anybody there?? Re: [OUTDOORS] Anybody out there??? [OUTDOORS] Skiing Timpanogos in Sept. Re: [OUTDOORS] Skiing Timpanogos in Sept. Re: Wanted:short, easy backpack for 1st Re: Wanted:short, easy backpack for 1st Rock Canyon water See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the utahoutdoors or utahoutdoors-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vincent E. Vizachero" Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 23:00:52 +0000 Subject: [OUTDOORS] Wrangler vs. Explorer? I'll be visiting Utah and Colorado in September, and I'm trying to decide on a vehicle to rent. The Explorer seems highly recommended, but at $800 is nearly twice the cost of the Wrangler. Question: is the Wrangler adequate for getting around the parks in Utah. I don't intend on off-roading at all, just navigating the infrequently-maintained roads (which may involve some stream crossings?). Any feedback on these two vehicles will be greatly appreciated. ------------------------------ From: Iagowright@aol.com Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 01:51:02 -0400 Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Wrangler vs. Explorer? If you don't intend off-roading at all (which I think is a fine idea, by the way), you'll do fine with any high-clearance, four-wheel drive vehicle, although power is helpful. And probably, on a high percentage of the dirt roads you'll negotiate, you won't need a 4WD at all. What you will find handy is something with a short wheelbase (to negotiate the twists and turns) and something with at least a range of 250-300 miles. Gas can get scarce in them parts. Don't get yourself into someplace stupid, avoid dry washes and gulches when the sky is black, and make sure you're carrying plenty of water and a good spare tire. I've driven a Wrangler some in the desert and they're okay, more than adequate most of the time although I've got some doubts about their guts, at least with 4-cylinders. An Explorer's got more guts but also more doo-dads, but it gives you the benefit of being able to lock stuff up and keep out of the rain. In the Utah parks (assuming you mean something like Canyonlands or Arches), the biggest problem you'll find is nasty stretches of sand in washes and the occasional cow sized boulder, or boulder sized cow. Combine a bit of power and a good chunk of common sense and you'll be okay in most 4WD. Personally, I'd take a Ford F-150 with a short bed and figure I had it pretty much in hand. ------------------------------ From: David Kenison Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 05:01:50 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Wrangler vs. Explorer? This message bounced... remember that you have to post from the same address you're subscribed from! -DaveK - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 04:15:53 -0600 (MDT) Subject: BOUNCE utahoutdoors: Non-member submission from [Michael Jones ] Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 11:15:40 +0200 From: Michael Jones > Question: is the Wrangler adequate for getting around the parks in > Utah. I don't intend on off-roading at all, just navigating the > infrequently-maintained roads (which may involve some stream > crossings?). Um. From what it sounds like, both may be a little too much. We used to cross streams and go barreling down dirt roads in the mountains near provo and in the desert/range near Price in my nissan pulsar and never got stuck. Except for the time we tried to drive up an avalance runout blocking the road in late spring. I made 3 tries to get up and over the 20 feet of snow but finally gave up after gouging a hole in the tire. oops. > Any feedback on these two vehicles will be greatly appreciated. Oh!, feedback on those two vehicles. Well, I don't know diddly about either one. I suppose I just wanted to reminsc (spelling?) about the good old days of 4-bying in the Pulsar. On a related note, my sister's got a 94 Izuzu pickup, 4x4 and jacked up. It made it up the entire gemini bridges trail with 11 mtn bikes in back, it'll go anywhere. At any rate, enjoy your trip stuck in flatland for the summer, mike. ------------------------------ From: Mike Jones Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 05:15:52 -0600 Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Wrangler vs. Explorer? > Question: is the Wrangler adequate for getting around the parks in > Utah. I don't intend on off-roading at all, just navigating the > infrequently-maintained roads (which may involve some stream > crossings?). Um. From what it sounds like, both may be a little too much. We used to cross streams and go barreling down dirt roads in the mountains near provo and in the desert/range near Price in my nissan pulsar and never got stuck. Except for the time we tried to drive up an avalance runout blocking the road in late spring. I made 3 tries to get up and over the 20 feet of snow but finally gave up after gouging a hole in the tire. oops. > Any feedback on these two vehicles will be greatly appreciated. Oh!, feedback on those two vehicles. Well, I don't know diddly about either one. I suppose I just wanted to reminsc (spelling?) about the good old days of 4-bying in the Pulsar. On a related note, my sister's got a 94 Izuzu pickup, 4x4 and jacked up. It made it up the entire gemini bridges trail with 11 mtn bikes in back, it'll go anywhere. At any rate, enjoy your trip ------------------------------ From: David Kenison Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:09:12 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [OUTDOORS] Wrangler vs. Explorer? -Reply Another "bounced" submission... - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 08:58:47 -0600 From: Jennifer Earnshaw To: utahoutdoors@xmission.com Subject: [OUTDOORS] Wrangler vs. Explorer? -Reply I drive an Explorer and my husband drives a Jeep Wrangler. For long stretches of road the comfort of the Explorer is much better--quieter, smoother ride, etc. The Jeep is a ton of fun on our shorter trips. It is a soft-top which explains the noise. You will want to be able to lock things up so maybe a hard-top would be better. Sounds like you won't need much of a four-wheeler if you plan on staying on the roads so I definitely wouldn't spend the extra $$$. Between the Jeep or Explorer and the description you provided, I would get a 6-cylinder Jeep with a hard top. - --Jennifer >>> "Vincent E. Vizachero" 6/17/96 5:00:52 pm >>> I'll be visiting Utah and Colorado in September, and I'm trying to decide on a vehicle to rent. The Explorer seems highly recommended, but at $800 is nearly twice the cost of the Wrangler. Question: is the Wrangler adequate for getting around the parks in Utah. I don't intend on off-roading at all, just navigating the infrequently-maintained roads (which may involve some stream crossings?). Any feedback on these two vehicles will be greatly appreciated. ------------------------------ From: Michael Jones Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:58:11 +0200 Subject: [OUTDOORS] Tent reccomendations. Hi all, I am living in England at the moment but I am about to buy a tent primarily for use the Wasatch mountains when I get back to provo in september. (Until I get back, I'll have to placate myself by testing it out in scotland and finland). I just found REI on the Web (www.rei.com) and I am going to order a tent in the next couple days. I've pretty much narrowed it down to two choices and I would like comments from people who have used these tents in the Utah mountains. What the heck, any comments from anyone that's used any tent anywhere and has an opinion are more than welcome. I used a sierra designs clip flashlight on Timp and it worked out fine but was way too small for me and my dad. Most of the time, I don't bother with a tent but that can get risky. I've got 2 options. o Get an Outdoors Research Adv. Bivy for solo trips (of which I do many) and an REI traildome for other trips. I've got a bivy already but I hate it. But the bivy with poles looks a little more livable. But $200 is alot. The price is right on the REI tent and the weight isn't too bad. But how's the construction? o Get some other 3 person 3 season tent in the $200-300 range and carry it on solo trips and group trips. This would be the "get one tent and make it a great one" option. Any reccomendations on tents in that price range? its so flat here, mike. ------------------------------ From: Rick Covington Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 09:43:43 +0800 Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Wrangler vs. Explorer? Go with the Wrangler, 4x4 is 4x4 n'cest-ce pas? Save the dough! ------------------------------ From: "Roger Jenkins" Date: Wed, 19 Jun 96 01:39:17 UT Subject: RE: [OUTDOORS] Tent reccomendations. Mike, how about the Sierra Designs Clip 3. It is just a large Flashlight, and easily accomodates my wife and I and most gear. It is light, but not freestanding. Less than 5 lbs. Next bet is the SD Lookout. It is smaller than the stretch Dome, and is roomy for two and loads of gear. It is abotu 7 lbs, and is very sturdy, even in high wind. The new design has a bigger vesitbule, which is needed. If it sounds like I am a SD rep, that is not correct. I have been backpacking for 20 years, own lots of tents, and am willing to pay plenty of $$ to get a good tent. Sierra Designs has most of my business, cause they make a good solid tent that is easy to erect in bad weather and can withstand wind. There, how is that for starting an argument. Roger Jenkins - ---------- From: owner-utahoutdoors@xmission.com on behalf of Michael Jones Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 1996 10:58 AM To: utahoutdoors@xmission.xmission.com Subject: [OUTDOORS] Tent reccomendations. Hi all, I am living in England at the moment but I am about to buy a tent primarily for use the Wasatch mountains when I get back to provo in september. (Until I get back, I'll have to placate myself by testing it out in scotland and finland). I just found REI on the Web (www.rei.com) and I am going to order a tent in the next couple days. I've pretty much narrowed it down to two choices and I would like comments from people who have used these tents in the Utah mountains. What the heck, any comments from anyone that's used any tent anywhere and has an opinion are more than welcome. I used a sierra designs clip flashlight on Timp and it worked out fine but was way too small for me and my dad. Most of the time, I don't bother with a tent but that can get risky. I've got 2 options. o Get an Outdoors Research Adv. Bivy for solo trips (of which I do many) and an REI traildome for other trips. I've got a bivy already but I hate it. But the bivy with poles looks a little more livable. But $200 is alot. The price is right on the REI tent and the weight isn't too bad. But how's the construction? o Get some other 3 person 3 season tent in the $200-300 range and carry it on solo trips and group trips. This would be the "get one tent and make it a great one" option. Any reccomendations on tents in that price range? its so flat here, mike. ------------------------------ From: Jeff Westhead Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 13:46:03 -0400 Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Wrangler vs. Explorer? At 11:00 PM 6/17/96 +0000, you wrote: >I'll be visiting Utah and Colorado in September, and I'm trying to >decide on a vehicle to rent. I recently spend 10 days in Canyonlands and Arches NPs in an Explorer. It was fine, very large, pretty expensive. It's important to remember that even with full coverage from the rental company, you're totally "uncovered" if you go off-road. The worst I encountered was the road leading into the trailhead to get to the Confluence Overlook (highly recommended!) and the Explorer was great. You could have done it in any car (but not as comfortably) so it wasn't much of a test. Jeff. - -- Jeff Westhead jeffwe@io.org Toronto, Ontario, Canada ------------------------------ From: David Kenison Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:58:09 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [OUTDOORS] Uinta hikes I'm planning a 3-4 day backpack into the Uintas, including a climb of Kings Peak. The northern approach through Henrys Fork has become more and more crowded; the southern route up the Yellowstone drainage, through Swazey Hole and Garfield basin, seems less crowded but longer and more challenging. Does anyone have experience with the southern approaches, and any comments about the relative merits of these routes?? - ---------------------------------------------------- David Kenison - Orem, Utah dkenison@xmission.com My Homepage URL: http://www.xmission.com/~dkenison/ Internet Lists: LDS-GEMS, Cougar-Net, UtahOutdoors ------------------------------ From: David Kenison Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:16:22 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [OUTDOORS] Mt. Nebo Mt. Nebo, July 6, 1996 Chris Grant (another UtahOutdoors subscriber) and I climbed the north peak of Mt. Nebo last Saturday. We were accompanied on most of the hike (except the summit) by another friend, Mindi Harrah. We began in the morning at the Nebo Bench trailhead which is located up Payson Canyon. The trailhead is well marked, a couple of miles beyond the Payson Lakes area on the right (west) side of the road. There are several options for climbing the peak from this trailhead. We decided to follow the Nebo Bench trail to the west of the range into Hell Hole Basin and try an ascent from there. The Nebo Bench trail begins at about 9,250 feet and passes through a quiet wooded area. It begins in a north-west direction and descends gradually for the first mile or so, before turning back to the south and beginning to climb. It follows the drainage along the west bench of North Peak, crossing a couple of ridges along the way. When we got to Hell Hole Basin, we examined the mountainside above us and decided to climb up the ridge to the right of the basin, which would take us to a pass on the ridge above Wolf Pass and give us a shot at the summit. There is no trail up the Basin, so we had to find our route as best we could. This proved to be a steep, but mostly straightforward climb. There is very little vegetation in this area - a few clumps of trees higher up the ridge, but mostly just grasses and wildflowers amid the loose dirt and rock. The third member of our group had difficulty maintaining footing on the slopes because she only had tennis shoes - good boots are definitely recommended, and a hiking stick or trekking pole would help too. At the top of the basin, near 11,400 feet, we got our first view across into Juab valley - always spectacular to come to the top if a sharp ridge and see across to the other side! While Mindi waited at the pass, Chris and I sharted up to the summit, another 500 feet above. The ridge is very sharp in this section, at times only a few feet wide; and very steep. But there is a fairly good trail that follows the ridge line all the way to the top. So again, a somewhat tiring climb, but pretty straightforward. The summit of Mt. Nebo is at 11,928 feet, which makes it the highest point in Utah and Juab counties (the county line runs right through the summit). It's a small, rocky summit, but the views to the west across Juab valley and to the east into Payson and Santaquin canyons are wonderful. The temperature, even on the summit, was quite warm with only a slight breeze. From the north summit, you get a good view across to the other two peaks of Nebo - the middle is 11,824 and the south is 11,877, each separated by a half-mile pass that dips down a few hundred feet between the peaks. The passes are a bit tricky, but could be negotiated if someone desired to reach the other two peaks from here. After descending back to where Mindi waited, we decided to try another route back. We followed the ridge north down a very steep slope to Wolf Pass, and then around behind North Peak (on the west side- overlooking Mona reservoir and I-15). A faint trail led around the mountain and back to the head of Nebo Basin. We followed a gully with snow in the bottom that narrowed gradually while it led us down, then cut across to the head of the basin and found a trail again. It looked like there was a trail here which led back towards Nebo on a higher route (the one we took originally was down low in the basin), on the east side of North Peak, and may have given an easier approach to the summit ridge. Following the trail to the east, we eventually came to the dirt road which returned to the parking lot at the Nebo Bench Trailhead. The whole circuit, probably 10-12 miles, took us 8 hours; but we were on a very slow pace. The hike could probably have been done quite easily a few hours quicker. - ---------------------------------------------------- David Kenison - Orem, Utah dkenison@xmission.com My Homepage URL: http://www.xmission.com/~dkenison/ Internet Lists: LDS-GEMS, Cougar-Net, UtahOutdoors ------------------------------ From: David Kenison Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:07:54 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [OUTDOORS] Outdoor humor OK, so maybe this isn't DIRECTLY related to UtahOutdoors, but it might provide a laugh... -DK ========================= WOODSY WHACKOS Park Visitors Get A Little Squirrelly In Great Outdoors BY TOM STIENSTRA, SAN FRANCISCO EXAMINER Reprinted in Salt Lake Tribune, Monday, July 8, 1996 A female vacationer, disturbed and in tears, entered the visitor center for California's Redwood National Park, then searched out a ranger. Choked by sobs, she explained she had seen "dozens of Irish setters lying along the highway," apparently dead or injured, and nobody was doing anything to help them. The rangers responded by immediately driving off and surveying the highway, then returned and explained to the woman that the Irish setters "were pieces of redwood bark that had fallen off logging trucks." At the Grand Canyon, after a one-hour interpretive group hike, the ranger asked the group if there were any questions. "Is this man-made?" came one. At Yosemite National Park, a vacationer walked into the information station in the valley, sought out a ranger, then asked, "What happened to the other half of Half Dome?" Another asked, "Do you turn the waterfalls off at night?" Yes, people say and do the darnedest things, especially on their summer vacations to national parks. Many of the accounts were compiled on the Internet by Steven Willoughby, who runs a humor net page, and Debra Shore, a contributor to Outside magazine. Half Dome Half-Wits: Many of the zaniest stories are from Yosemite, which gets 4 million visitors each year. Last summer, a group of horrified European tourists entered the Wawona Ranger Station and said their car had been "blown up by terrorists" and that "powder residue from the explosive" was all over the back seat. Inspecting rangers found that the "powder residue from the explosive" was actually flour from a box of pancake mix, and that bear paw prints were everywhere amid the powder. A woman from the San Francisco Bay Area was hiking to the top of El Capitan on Yosemite's popular North Rim Trail, a seven-mile hike, when she became lost, saw clouds forming, and called 911 on her cellular phone and asked to be rescued. A helicopter rescue team found her. When the helicopter lifted off with her -- and she saw how close she was to the top -- she asked the crew to land and let her back out. When the crew declined, she threatened to sue for kidnapping. Another woman hiker in Yosemite also called 911 with her cellular phone, this time from the top of Half Dome. "Well, I'm at the top and I'm really tired," she told the 911 dispatcher. "Do you feel sick?" she was asked. "No, I'm just really tired and I want my friends to drive to the base and pick me up." "You'll have to hike back down the trail for that," she was told by the dispatcher." "But you don't understand. I'm really tired." Then, according to a ranger, "her phone battery luckily died." An Unbearable Way to Wake Up: A backpacker was disappointed that he never saw any bears, because he kept sleeping right through their covert nightly visits. So this time, after rigging a bear-proof food bag to hang from a tree limb, he put his sleeping bag directly under it, figuring he would wake up for sure when the bears came prowling. Nope. The camper went into deep sleep, that is, until he woke up with a shock -- when a bear tried to reach for the hanging food bag, and stepped right on his chest. Here's a selection of some of the craziest things ever said and done at national parks, provided by Shore: - -- Yellowstone National Park: Does Old Faithful erupt at night? How do you turn it on? When does the guy who turns it on get to sleep? We had no trouble finding the park entrance, but where are the exits? - -- Mesa Verde National Park: Why did they build the ruins so close to the road? Why did the Indians decide to live in Colorado? - -- Denali National Park: What time do you feed the bears? Where does Bigfoot live? How often do you mow the tundra? What time do they let the animals out in the park? - ---------------------------------------------------- David Kenison - Orem, Utah dkenison@xmission.com My Homepage URL: http://www.xmission.com/~dkenison/ Internet Lists: LDS-GEMS, Cougar-Net, UtahOutdoors ------------------------------ From: David Kenison Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 09:51:38 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [OUTDOORS] Anybody there?? This group has been incredibly quiet this summer. What's wrong?? Wake up, out there!! I'd love to hear of any hikes, backpacks, bike trips, etc. that any of your have done so far this summer. Please share as much detail as you can - location, length, conditions, etc. - ---------------------------------------------------- David Kenison - Orem, Utah dkenison@xmission.com My Homepage URL: http://www.xmission.com/~dkenison/ Internet Lists: LDS-GEMS, Cougar-Net, UtahOutdoors ------------------------------ From: Michael Jones Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 18:58:14 +0200 Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Anybody out there??? I too would love to hear about some utah outdoors adventures. I am spending the summer away from Utah and missing the mountatins a lot! Cambriage england may be a great place to learn but its as flat as a well-used cast-iron skillet (thought of that one myself!). For your summer reading enjoyment, I've included a copy of the trip report for a walk I took in Wales 2 weeks ago and posted to the uk.rec.walking newsgroup: Executive summary: - ------------------ good early morning walk especialy suited for beginers looking for a nice introduction to walking. Less than 7 miles, lots of little climbs and descents. Point to point walk with good public transport at the other end. Long, drawn out trip report. - ---------------------------- Last week, on about the 15th, I walked along the coast path from Constitution hill in Aber. north to Borth. We started off at 0515 so we could see the sunrise over the hills and avoid walking in the heat of the afternoon sun (it was an oddly sunny day in wales). It's seven miles or so to Borth and it was my companion's first time walking that far and she loved it. We started by walking along the promenade to the base of constitution hill then walking up the footpath that crosses the funicular (spelling?) railway that also climbs constitution hill (but not at 0540 when we were there). We carried on over the top of the hill staying to the left to avoid the touristy things at the top of the hill. Once over constitution hill, its an easy descent into a trailer holiday resort town where we had a nice breakfast by the sea. Carry on accross the town, staying close to the sea and begin climbing again to get over the next bluff. On the next descent, we dropped into a little valley that's home to a nice white house situated by a stream dropping a few feet into the sea. After the house, its climbing and descending over a few more bluffs and eventualy into Borth. Along the way, there's a few beaches for sitting in the sun and listening to the sea-sounds. Once in Borth, we carried on to the bus station just past the post office and caught a bus back to Aber. We didn't pass a single person the whole time and were back in Aber by 10 am. > can - location, length, conditions, etc. Location: Aberystwyth -> Borth, Wales. Conditions: Early morning cool and light breeze w/ amazingly blue skies, trail was empty and dry. Length: 7 miles point to point each way, bus ride back. ------------------------------ From: Michael Jones Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 19:05:25 +0200 Subject: [OUTDOORS] Skiing Timpanogos in Sept. Hi, Some friends of mine and I are planning on skiing the perinnial snowfield (aka the glacier) near the summit of Mt. Timpanogos this september. We plan to hike up friday night, camp near emerald lake and hike the skiis up over the summit and to the snowfield and take as many runs as we can. Its sort of a hard way to get some turns in, but its slim pickings in september :) Has anyone out there done this before? If so, how was it, any suggestions? How is the snow up on Timp this year? Having been out of Utah for the summer, I don't know. Anyone been up to the summit recently (or Emerald lake) and see the snow? And finaly, if you are dying to ski some cruddy snow at high altitude this september, drop me a line and come with... cheers, mike jones@cs.byu.edu ------------------------------ From: Benson Parkinson Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 18:30:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Skiing Timpanogos in Sept. | Some friends of mine and I are planning on skiing the perinnial snowfield (aka | the glacier) near the summit of Mt. Timpanogos this september. We plan to | hike up friday night, camp near emerald lake and hike the skiis up over the | summit and to the snowfield and take as many runs as we can. Its sort of a | hard way to get some turns in, but its slim pickings in september :) | | Has anyone out there done this before? If so, how was it, any suggestions? I saw a man do it once while I was hiking. He took off on the glacier right before me. He zigged right, zigged left, and right once more, then he was to the bottom of the steep part. I'd say he got about 20 seconds of skiing for his 2 mile hike. | How is the snow up on Timp this year? Having been out of Utah for the summer, | I don't know. Anyone been up to the summit recently (or Emerald lake) and see | the snow? I haven't seen it this year, but it has been a hot summer--snow has melted off the Ogden mountains early. There is not always snow in the snowfield in September (or July for that matter). Benson Parkinson byparkinson@cc.weber.edu Ogden, Utah, USA ------------------------------ From: DEMH76A@prodigy.com ( BOB WEENIG) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 10:38:10, -0500 Subject: Re: Wanted:short, easy backpack for 1st On that Rock Canyon hike, better bring along a canteen, I wouldn't try drinking the water from the Rock Canyon creek. Giardia, you know. .. ------------------------------ From: "Chris Grant" Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 09:21:48 -0600 Subject: Re: Wanted:short, easy backpack for 1st BOB WEENIG writes: >On that Rock Canyon hike, better bring along a canteen, I wouldn't >try drinking the water from the Rock Canyon creek. Giardia, you know. Also, there's a stream crossing or two or three to deal with. I went up Rock Canyon on July 4 of last year on the way to climbing Provo Peak, and the water at the crossings was maybe a foot deep and too wide (for me) to jump. There are some fairly well-worn cutoff trails that can eliminate some of the crossings, and at the others you might be able to find logs and/or rocks to cross on if, like me, you don't like to get your feet wet. Chris Grant ------------------------------ From: John Mendenhall Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 09:36:34 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Rock Canyon water > On that Rock Canyon hike, better bring along a canteen, I wouldn't > try drinking the water from the Rock Canyon creek. Giardia, you know. Provo's Rock Canyon has tremendous meaning to me for a number of reasons. I enjoy hiking there during all seasons. I'd never drink the water from the creek. But I've often wondered about the two fountains along the way. Does anyone know the source of their water? Except in winter, they have always been flowing. I drink from them whenever I'm there. I don't think they've ever made me ill. But I wonder. Does anyone know? Thanks, John Mendenhall ------------------------------ End of utahoutdoors Digest V2 #1 ******************************** To subscribe to utahoutdoors Digest, send the command: subscribe utahoutdoors-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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