From: Zorn List Digest Sent: Thursday, November 20, 1997 6:02 AM To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #171 Zorn List Digest Thursday, November 20 1997 Volume 02 : Number 171 In this issue: - Re: Soundtracks by Christian Marclay Bible Launcher Re: Wynton does Ornette (and not very well) (was: Zorn's etc) ocean of sound Mingus Re: Frank Lowe's The Flam Re: Wynton does Ornette (and not very well) (was: Zorn's etc) Re: Wynton does Ornette (and not very well) (was: Zorn's etc) Musicworks label (was: Frank Lowe) Re: lee Konitz in ethereal contexts Re: Another question Re: Buried Secrets Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:20:29 +0000 Sharrock Dream House needs a bit of help... Re: Torture Garden question Bryars & Nyman & Baron... Re: Masada box sets ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:52:44 +1100 (EST) From: James Douglas Knox Subject: Re: Soundtracks by Christian Marclay On Thu, 20 Nov 1997, James Douglas Knox wrote: (snip) and another one, "CASCADE/VERTICAL LANDSCAPES", details at: http://www.panix.com/~kitchen/MovieCatalog/Titles/VerticalLandscapes.html (snip) > > Still no more to hand on Marclay's other soundtrack ("Wax"?). But at this > point - there's almost enough material for him to have a disc of filmworks > hisself (how 'bout it, Mista Zorn?). - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:10:19 -0800 From: Herb Levy Subject: Bible Launcher While I take my time going through the past ten days of zornlist digests after being out of town for a while (you folks have been busy), I should probably let people know that Wall of Sound in Seattle got in a copy of Bible Launcher in the last couple of weeks. I don't work there, e-mail to me won't help you, so please don't send me any. But you can call or fax Wall of Sound at 206 441-9880, if you're interested. (They have e-mail , but don't check it every day). They asked me what I though they should price it at & I had no idea, so they may be looking for the best offer on this. Herb Levy herb@eskimo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:24:01 +1100 From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Wynton does Ornette (and not very well) (was: Zorn's etc) > There was a horrible (leastways, for me) moment in the closing of Spike > Lee's Mo' Better Blues with the wretched Wynton turning in a total > travesty of Lonely Woman. And I am not so enamoured of the NC version, but > this was truly *VOM* inspiring; shorn of its plaintive keening, and all > those perfect right-wrong notes. No melancholy, no beauty - something so > meretriciously bland it could only be the work of that insensate zombie: > Wynton Marsalis. Um um um I just looked at the info they've got at CDnow and Wynton apparently has nothing to do with the soundtrack. Saxes are by Branford Marsalis, trumpet by Terence Blanchard. So, maybe a bit too emotive, yes. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 97 12:45:36 -0500 From: Glenn_Lea@avid.com Subject: ocean of sound >Probably last year, somebody (or somebodies) mentioned a book/disc > package from Virgin Records that detailed the history of Ambient music > and included early ambient pioneers like John Cage, Brian Eno, > Tnagerine Dream, Kraftwerk and the like, along with newer stuff. > Does this ring any bells? I bet you're referring to "Ocean of Sound". There's a book by David Toop (Serpent's Tail) and a double CD set (Virgin import). Both are great. The CDs cover a huge range of ambient from Debussy to Cage to Miles Davis to Peter Brotzmann (!) to howler monkeys and sea lions to Zorn/Toop to Eno to Buddhist monks to My Bloody Valentine. No T.Dream or Kraftwerk, though. Toop has gone on to release 3 other double CD thematic sets, one devoted to "crooning", one to guitars and one to funk, but I haven't heard them yet. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:27:12 +1100 From: "Julian" Subject: Mingus Charles Mingus was mentioned a while back when discussing the mixing of different styles. Could anyone point me towards some of his works which display this? - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:35:47 GMT0BST From: DR S WILKIE Subject: Re: Frank Lowe's The Flam Yeah, it's good, but for my money Exotic Heartbreak is better (1981 with Butch Morris) and Decision In Paradise (1988 with Geri Allen Grachan Moncur and Don Cherry) tops them all. If you want Texas tenor, try Charles Brackeen - I only know Attainment and Worshippers Come Nigh (both on Silkheart) but they are awesome. His themes are like awesome heavy rock riffs but sound like they're the best thing to give sense to what follows ... - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 00:58:58 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Wynton does Ornette (and not very well) (was: Zorn's etc) Julian wrote: > > There was a horrible (leastways, for me) moment in the closing of Spike > > Lee's Mo' Better Blues with the wretched Wynton turning in a total > > travesty of Lonely Woman. And I am not so enamoured of the NC version, > but > > this was truly *VOM* inspiring; shorn of its plaintive keening, and all > > those perfect right-wrong notes. No melancholy, no beauty - something so > > meretriciously bland it could only be the work of that insensate zombie: > > Wynton Marsalis. > > Um um um I just looked at the info they've got at CDnow and Wynton > apparently has nothing to do with the soundtrack. Saxes are by Branford > Marsalis, trumpet by Terence Blanchard. So, maybe a bit too emotive, yes. This was most likely the version of "Lonely Woman" found on Branford's disc that came out concurrently with "Mo' Better Blues" -- wasn't "Crazy People Music," was it? Anyway, what I remember of this version of "Lonely Woman" is that yes, it was d'void o'funk fer sher, but also that Branford M. and Kenny K. were dead ringers for Jan Garbarek and Keith Jarrett in this particularly icy rendition. Just to tie it all together for you... Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com > > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 04:41:39 -0500 (EST) From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Wynton does Ornette (and not very well) (was: Zorn's etc) In a message dated 97-11-20 00:23:09 EST, you (jknox@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU) write: << There was a horrible (leastways, for me) moment in the closing of Spike Lee's Mo' Better Blues with the wretched Wynton turning in a total travesty of Lonely Woman. And I am not so enamoured of the NC version, but this was truly *VOM* inspiring; shorn of its plaintive keening, and all those perfect right-wrong notes. No melancholy, no beauty - something so meretriciously bland it could only be the work of that insensate zombie: Wynton Marsalis. I dunno; maybe I'm being a little too emotive about it? >> I don't think so. Wynton and others of his ilk are the opposite of everything jazz really is- spontaneity, imagination, and a big chunk of recklessness... Online spewing is reckless and appreciated. =dgasque= - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 04:41:41 -0500 (EST) From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Musicworks label (was: Frank Lowe) << 1978 - Musicworks, Musicworks 3002 (LP) >> For the simple sake of discussion- how many releases did Musicworks have in their catalog and what were they? Just wondering... =dgasque= - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:51:41 GMT0BST From: DR S WILKIE Subject: Re: lee Konitz in ethereal contexts Douglas Tapia asked: who knew that Konitz could play so well in such an ethereal context? I did. From my point of view the continuity with much earlier playing is quite striking - Konitz has an anecdote of stepping up to the mike for a solo in the forties (in Thornhill's band) and, pausing to take a cue from the music, he stood there and listened (it was a Gil Evans chart) for the whole chorus, before returning to his seat withou playing a note. Which is ethereal in its own way. More relevant perhaps (and Scott Russell may back me up (where're those tapes you were going to send me, Scott?) ) is Konitz' performance in 1990 at the Glasgow Jazz Festival, with a quartet including John Taylor. He played some very fragmented and exploratory stuff which I at first mistook for bad health, but rapidly warmed to - much of the audience walked out. Zounds (on Soul Note) has something of this flavour. Sean Wilkie - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:35:38 -0800 From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Another question At 6:29 AM 11/19/97, peter_risser@cinfin.com wrote: >Probably last year, somebody (or somebodies) mentioned a book/disc package from >Virgin Records that detailed the history of Ambient music and included early >ambient pioneers like John Cage, Brian Eno, Tnagerine Dream, Kraftwerk and the >like, along with newer stuff. Does this ring any bells? Can anyone refresh my >memory? I think that would be David Toop's "Oceans of Sound". I don't have the book handy, so I can't give publisher and ISBN #, but it can be found at amazon.com. It's the best book on music I've read in years. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 06:45:54 -0500 From: "Andy Marks" Subject: Re: Buried Secrets > (usually) a goodly amount of resonance. I've often wondered about the > story behind the photo on 'Buried Secrets' (a pair of cuffed hands > lifting a skull out of the soil); it's a troubling, formally beautiful > image that implies an interesting narrative. > > Brian O. I'm going to speculate(wildly even) that this might be Henry Lee Lucas. I've seen news footage of him in handcuffs with law enforcement in tow, taking them to burial places of his victims. Of course, I don't know for sure but would also like to know. I know that the photo on the back is from a serial killer generally believed to be the first in the US. I think he killed a couple of women in Chicago before he was apprehended. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:20:29 +0000 From: Dwight Haden Subject: Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:20:29 +0000 I just pulled the following 2 questions off the Q/A section of the Tzadik home page: >10/14/97 > Matt Trebelhorn > Subject: Masada > Is there any truth to the rumor that the 6 Japanese Masada releases will > be re-released as a set? Thanks. Matt > > This year Tzadik plans to release a 12 cd set of Masada recordings. 10 from > DIW and 2 of Masada out takes. In '98 Tzadik will release another 12 cd set > of Masada recordings comprised of the following: 4 Live in NYC, 3 Live in > Asia, 3 Live in Europe and 2 of alternative Masada's. JZ > > > > 10/16/97 > Dan Sanders > Subject: Masada > Re: Masada Will any of the boxed set CD's including "10 from DIW and 2 > of Masada outtakes" be available individually, for those of us that already > have a fair number of them? > > I don't know yet. JZ Apparently Zorn answered the questions himself - There was a later note that, due to the volume of questions, this practice would stop. Any comments? Does our man Zorn have a dry sense of humor or what? Dwight Haden === dhaden@worldnet.att.net - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 97 07:59:46 -0500 From: Glenn_Lea@avid.com Subject: Sharrock > From: KEVIN NEALES > Subject: Sonny Sharrock > > I recently saw a used C.D. by Bill Cosby and Friends(forgot the name of > it but it was from 1990) and was surprised to see Sonny Sharrock played > on one song. I didn't buy it because I thought it would be pretty lame. > Has anyone heard this? Also I really like the music Sonny Sharrock did > for the Space Ghost Coast to Coast show. Is this available on C.D.?? Lame is an understatement. The Cosby album really sucks big time. Basically, it consists of several LONG boring fusion jams. Even the presence of personal faves Don Pullen and David Murray doesn't pull it out of fusion hell. I have tried to sell it at various used shops but no one will take it :) You can have my copy if you pay the postage. re: Space Ghost: There's a recent Rhino CD of cartoon themes that has the Sharrock theme; it's also on one of those anthologies of TV themes ("Cable Ready - the 90s", I think). - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 08:19:46 -0500 (EST) From: DMB5561719@aol.com Subject: Dream House needs a bit of help... MELA Foundation Inc. 275 Church Street New York, NY 10013 212-925-8270 November 1997 Mela Foundation is seeking interns for unpaid volunteer positions of Monitor for Dream House exhibition. Dream House: Seven Years of Sound and Light, a collaborative Sound and Light Environment by composer La Monte Young and visual artist Marian Zazeela, is presented in an extended exhibition at MELA Foundation, 275 Church Street, 3rd Floor. Young and Zazeela characterize the Sound and Light Environment as a "time installation measured by a setting of continuous frequencies in sound and light." POSITION: MONITOR for DREAM HOUSE exhibition (Volunteer Interns) Hours: Exhibition is open Thursdays and Saturdays from 2:00 PM to Midnight. Time slots of four to six hours need to be filled on those days. Description: Monitor will open or close exhibition; turn on electronic sound equiptment and turn up light environment; make sure all technical equiptment is running properly; greet visitors; distribute information; answer questions concerning the environment; sell books and recordings. Contact: Call the MELA Foundation, 212-925-8270. If you call, leave a message on the answering machine with your phone number and times we can reach you. Or come to 275 Church Street, 3rd Floor, Thursdays and Saturdays, 2:00 PM to Midnight, and experience the environment and speak to the monitor on duty. Press Commentary on Exhibition: "... the multifaceted form of the 35-frequency construction of Young's current installation is the principal reason it changes hallucinogenically with every shift in perspective and why the tones freeze in place as long as one is perfectly still while the slightest gesture will startle forth unnamable, wildly plumed melodies from the luxuriant harmonic foliage. Zazeela's light sculptures have invariably, teasingly refused to surrender their entire secret to photographic reprodution, so much do they depend on the retinal impact of activated photons in real time and so much do they exploit, in ways analagous to Young's techniques, the creation of visual combination tones and an accumulation of after-images." - -- Sandy McCroskey, 1/1, The Journal of the Just Intonation Network "Young's newest sine-tone sculpture shimmers and swirls as you walk around the room and, amazingly, when you freeze, it does too. Stay at least long enough to stare at Zazeela's Imagic Light and Ruine Window, which will imprint your retina with blues and purples you haven't felt before." - -- Kyle Gann, The Village Voice "The visitor with an acute ear can actually 'play' the room like an instrument: explore the sound close to the wall, close to the floor, in the corner, or just standing still. Or lie on the floor and allow the sound to float you into heaven, slide you into hell, or transport you wherever you want to go. See if you agree with those who call Young's sound sculpture a precursor of ambient music. Zazeela's light installation, "Imagic Light," offers an intriuging complement to the sound, even though it is equally effective when viewed in silence. Using pairs of colored lights and suspended aluminum mobiles cut out in calligraphic shapes, Zazeela explores the relationship between object and shadow, making the tangible intangible, and vice versa. Enjoy the installation for its mesmerizing beauty, or try to analyze how the different colors are achieved, how the mobiles create the resulting shadows, or perspective the infinite number of symmetrical patterns in the room." - -- David Farneth, Metrobeat Music Eternal Light Art * David Beardsley * DMB5561719@aol.com * * virtual dream house monitor * for the MELA Foundation * * http://www.virtulink.com/mela/main.htm - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 08:45:11 -0500 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) Subject: Re: Torture Garden question >>>>> "Jeff" == Jeff Gretz writes: Jeff> everyone always says how hard it is to find TG. I have it on Jeff> CD. Is this odd? jeff Probably. I've got it on vinyl, and was under the impression that most of it is also on Grand Guignol, but maybe some zorn-lister has better information. - --- Caleb T. Deupree ;; Opinions do not reflect on management Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. (Pablo Picasso) - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:01:03 -0500 From: Bob Kowalski Subject: Bryars & Nyman & Baron... Hi all - Thought it funny that some of the (expected) criticism (same old same old) of Nyman's recordings (with the exception of his first 2-3) sounds strikingly familiar to what many of my friends say about my sick (their humble opinion) delight in Zorn's various recordings. I also was amused that while folks on the Nyman listserv (for the most part) dislike Bryars (too boring) the Zorn listserv gives almost 2 thumbs up. In any case... The new Bryars CD, "A Man in a Room, Gambling," is excellent (both humorous and with his usual flair for beautiful music) - there are 5 sections timed at approx. 5 minutes with an announcer, in a bad (IMHO) French accent, talking about gambling. Then there are three longer peices based on the 5 pieces that were originally commissed for the BBC to be played during rush hour commuter time (if I am remembering the linear notes correctly.) (ps : new Joey Baron CD is a very good time...the stellar performances are a given - these guys are masters! Even my wife, who feel asleep at the last couple of Frisell shows, loves it!) Bob @ Somerville -=dot=- MA - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:01:39 +0100 From: flamerik@best.ms.philips.com Subject: Re: Masada box sets > Subject: Masada > > Is there any truth to the rumor that the 6 Japanese Masada releases will > > be re-released as a set? Thanks. Matt > > > > This year Tzadik plans to release a 12 cd set of Masada recordings. 10 > > from DIW and 2 of Masada out takes. In '98 Tzadik will release another > > 12 cd set of Masada recordings comprised of the following: 4 Live in NYC, > > 3 Live in Asia, 3 Live in Europe and 2 of alternative Masada's. JZ > Any comments? Does our man Zorn have a dry sense of humor or what? I don't know about the man's humour, but what I do know is that I'd like him to release the so-far unreleased Masada's from the first set as indivual CDs as well. That way I won't end up with having the first 8 Masada records twice. The second set doesn't concern me with respect to this, because it is all new material and I would have bought them separately anyway (most likely). Furthermore, the 12 CD set will probably be much cheaper than 12 separate albums. Being a Mr. Bungle fan, I hope one of the 'alternative' Masada's will feature Trevor Dunn on the bass (the West Coast Masada as it has existed for some time). Does anyone know in what line-ups Masada has performed? Maybe Zorn can also release a 12 CD Naked City box set, covering the complete works of Krzystof Komeda, Bernard Herrmann, and Napalm Death. I'm off to see the "Masada String Trio" comprised of Erik Friedlander, Mark Feldman, and Greg Cohen at the BIM-Huis in Amsterdam tonight. Frankco. - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #171 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date.