From: Zorn List Digest Sent: Saturday, November 22, 1997 11:40 AM To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #174 Zorn List Digest Saturday, November 22 1997 Volume 02 : Number 174 In this issue: - various topics Re: !!!space!!! ornette Little Nighttown Music Panthalassa Cover Re: Masada String Trio Re: Kenny Wheeler Ornette/Freud titles (extremely trivial) Re: ornette Re: !!!space!!! Re: Ornette/Freud titles (extremely trivial) Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #173 Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #173 Re: Masada String Trio Marclay & Sclavis Re: Marclay & Sclavis Re: Previte (was Marclay & Sclavis) ornette Re: Previte (was Marclay & Sclavis) Re: J.T. Lewis, Stomu Takeishi ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Nov 97 11:01:58 -0500 From: Glenn_Lea@avid.com Subject: various topics > Has anyone got the CD re-issue of More Encores? Any bonus tracks for the > disc re-ish? And what other recommendations can anyone lend for other > available work of Marclay's? I got it last night. No, no new tracks -- same 10 as on the record: Johann Strauss, John Zorn, Martin Denny, Frederic Chopin, Fred Frith, Louis Armstrong, Ferrante & Teicher, John Cage, Maria Callas, Jimi Hendrix, Birkin & Gainsbourg, Christian Marclay. Total 33 mins. In case you don't know, each track consists of CM "playing with" the records of the named artist. In the case of Cage, he actually cut up and then glued together "slices" from several Cage recordings and plays the result. I also got the "Records" release -- nice 15-track retrospective of his early work ('81-'89) with notes by CM and Thurston Moore in the de rigeur teeny print. At least its white on black or black on white instead of bronze on gold like on some labels :) I'll also third the recommendation for the Live duet with G.Muller. Great use of the classic Arista Braxton/Wheeler quartet in there. re: the Ornette W.R.U. titles -- the Ornette box set lists the acronyms in the book. I also think the Spy Vs Spy cover art was probably changed due to license issues with Mad Magazine, not due to any racial politics (sheesh!). - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:30:31 -0700 From: dtapia@unoco.edu (Douglas Tapia) Subject: Re: !!!space!!! >YIPES > >Masada box sets - 2 of 'em in the next 1 1/2 years? All these CDs ! I've >Masada 1-4 & 6 right now (plus about 35 other Zorn / Naked City / ...et al >CDs) - should I stop buying them (how is # 8?) and wait? I've still got a few >hundred vinyl lps, a small army of tapes kicking about, and lots of other >artists I enjoy listening too and collecting (beyond Zorn and Nyman, both >of whom stand out in my record collection along with Tom Waits as >"wall-of-cds" by themselves.) > I, for one love my wall of CDs. It impresses some, scares most, and insures that everone in my life knows I'm over the top with my compulsive-obsessive behavior. For me, it's a statement about what's really important to me. >My question... where is one to put it all? Do y'all live in mansions? I have >a huge apartment and still my living room looks like a cramped record store. > >Not a serious problem in scheme of life, but golly... You're not alone, but WHAT A GREAT PROBLEM! Perhaps you could rent some warehouse space? Living in a too small apartment for all my stuff, Doug - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 13:38:09 -0500 From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" Subject: ornette The compositions on Ornette are titled: W.R.U. (With Relation to the Unconscious) T. & T. (Totem & Taboo) C. & D. (Civilization and its Discontents) R.P.D.D. (Relation of the Poet to Day Dreaming) All are titles of Freud works. These titles were recorded on one day, January 31, 1961, during a four hour period. These plus three more pieces released on other LPs. Seven in four hours. Each memorable. Compare that to people like The Rolling Stones or Led Zeppelin spending a year in the studio to come up with a dozen tracks of forgettable nonsense. BTW, Beauty is a Rare Thing contains all of this material on one of its six discs. Buy it!!! Alan Kayser - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:24:45 -0500 (EST) From: TagYrIt@aol.com Subject: Little Nighttown Music Greetings Zorn folks... Sorry for the intrusion, but if any of you are vinyl or CD collectors, please have a look at my web page which is just recently up. The address is: Little Nighttown Music or if that doesn't work: http://members.aol.com/TagYrIt/index.html If you like this idea, please bookmark the page - I intend to update it every Monday. And by all means feel free to email me with any questions or comments. Thanks! Dale. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 15:00:39 -0800 From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Panthalassa Cover Russell Mills' incredible cover for Miles Davis: _Panthalassa_, remixes by Bill Laswell, is now on the home page for the Axiom Web Site (URL below.) I realize that this has low musical content, at least for now, but it's an amazing cover. Jeff Spirer Axiom/Material http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 01:49:14 +0100 From: Philipp Oettli Subject: Re: Masada String Trio Yves Dewulf wrote: >I saw the European premiere of the Masada String Trio 3 days ago in Ghent and >I agree that the group is wonderful. >Also in Ghent they played some of the tunes of Bar Kokhba and lots of new >compositions. >In general the pieces of Bar Kokhba were played a litle faster and more >nervous than on the record, but still very good. >The new pieces were really marvellous. There were some new uptempo tunes with >nice Jewish melodies but also pieces that sounded almost like >"classical" compositions (Schubert or Debussy). >Feldman and Friedlander both did a solo-piece and especially Friedlander was >outstanding, his playing was far more melodic than that of Feldman >(Feldman was more into making strange noises and special effects >on his violin. His solo piece was based on one of the pieces for violin >alone). It was a pitty that Cohen didn't have more solo-space. >They referred to the songs with numbers instead of using the >names:1.56,2.16,.. >(any cue how many masada-tunes there are up to now ?, the bunch of scores is > actual becoming more voluminous than Cohen's double bass.) > >Friedlander told us they would record the trio when they are back in the >States, so watch out for this one ! > > > YVes I saw the Masada String Trio this evening in Zurich. It was great! Especially the playing of Feldman and Cohen. Friedlander was a bit to classical-static (maybe shy). if you wan't to listen to strange string-sounds you have to listen them! or like Frankco wrote: > >Anyway, if you can catch the trio live anywhere, so see them. > und tschuessss! Philipp - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:49:33 -0800 From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Re: Kenny Wheeler Dgasque@aol.com wrote: > > With all the current talk surrounding Kenny Wheeler, i'm suprised no one has > brought up the LP which IMO, has some of his best playing- that being Louis > Moholo's _Spirits Rejoice_ . Side 2 of that LP still sends shivers up my > spine... > > =dgasque= > > - Glad to see a mention of this surface here. This has been a great favorite of mine for a long time. One of the finest cohabitations of African-based jazz and free improv I've ever heard. Has Moholo released anything else on his own that measures up to 'Spirits Rejoice"? I had picked up 'Viva La Black' sometime after this one and found it disappointing. Brian O. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 22:48:53 +0000 From: Jeff Schwartz Subject: Ornette/Freud titles (extremely trivial) Ok, since we were talking about "W.R.U.," I've wondered about this: The first three songs on the album Ornette! are: W.R.U. (Wit and its Relation to the Unconscious) T & T (Totem & Taboo) C & D (Civilization & its Discontents). I can't find a Freud title that matches "R.P.D.D." Anybody? - -- Jeff Schwartz jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 16:03:17 -0700 From: john shiurba Subject: Re: ornette alan: > These titles were recorded on one day, > January 31, 1961, during a four hour period. These plus three more > pieces released on other LPs. Seven in four hours. Each memorable. > Compare that to people like The Rolling Stones or Led Zeppelin spending > a year in the studio to come up with a dozen tracks of forgettable > nonsense. i guess 'forgettable nonsense' just takes more time to record. - -- shiurba@sfo.com http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 97 22:42:03 UT From: "allen huotari" Subject: Re: !!!space!!! Well heck...anyone who's running out of space for their music collection can always store their discs at my house Solves two problems at once...your space and my (seemingly) too small collection (~2000 assorted lps, cds, cassettes) Honest, I'll take good care of them Heh heh heh... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-zorn-list@xmission.com On Behalf Of Douglas Tapia Sent: Friday, November 21, 1997 6:31 PM To: zorn-list@xmission.com Subject: Re: !!!space!!! >YIPES > >Masada box sets - 2 of 'em in the next 1 1/2 years? All these CDs ! I've >Masada 1-4 & 6 right now (plus about 35 other Zorn / Naked City / ...et al >CDs) - should I stop buying them (how is # 8?) and wait? I've still got a few >hundred vinyl lps, a small army of tapes kicking about, and lots of other >artists I enjoy listening too and collecting (beyond Zorn and Nyman, both >of whom stand out in my record collection along with Tom Waits as >"wall-of-cds" by themselves.) > I, for one love my wall of CDs. It impresses some, scares most, and insures that everone in my life knows I'm over the top with my compulsive-obsessive behavior. For me, it's a statement about what's really important to me. >My question... where is one to put it all? Do y'all live in mansions? I have >a huge apartment and still my living room looks like a cramped record store. > >Not a serious problem in scheme of life, but golly... You're not alone, but WHAT A GREAT PROBLEM! Perhaps you could rent some warehouse space? Living in a too small apartment for all my stuff, Doug - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 22:53:30 -0800 From: "Schwitterz" Subject: Re: Ornette/Freud titles (extremely trivial) >I can't find a Freud title that matches "R.P.D.D." >Anybody? > >-- >Jeff Schwartz Closest I could come was Delusion and Dream, edited by Reiff, Philip ... RPDD???????? "S.Z." - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 97 07:59:07 -0000 From: G=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=e9rard_Rouy?= Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #173 >From: Michael Howes > There is an amazing piece called "Duo" with Marclay and Louis Sclavis that >goes for 27+ minutes. > I absolutely love the Marclay/Sclavis track. Michael, could you please try to explain what you love in Sclavis' work ? >From: Akira Saito > >Last May, Konitz came to Japan and played with Laurent de Wilde(pf), >Ira Coleman(b), ?(ds), and Keiko Lee(vo). I asked his autograph on this >CD, and he said, 'This is good. Very good.' After Japan tour, he recorded >with the same members, which I like: 'Dig, Dug, Dog'(Sony). His sound is >mild, and played 'Body & Soul', 'Sister Chelyl', etc. > >I first watched Konitz last year when he played with Barre Phillips(b) >and Keiji Haino(g)(!!). Lee Konitz is the ONLY jazz player who has been taking the risk of playing with Derek Bailey. I saw a concert some years ago in Belgium with Konitz, Misha Mengelberg, Ernst Glerum, Han Bennink and that was one of the best concerts I ever happened to listen to ! Lee Konitz is a genius and an exception in the jazz world !!! gerard - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 97 07:59:07 -0000 From: G=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=e9rard_Rouy?= Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #173 >From: Michael Howes > There is an amazing piece called "Duo" with Marclay and Louis Sclavis that >goes for 27+ minutes. > I absolutely love the Marclay/Sclavis track. Michael, could you please try to explain what you love in Sclavis' work ? >From: Akira Saito > >Last May, Konitz came to Japan and played with Laurent de Wilde(pf), >Ira Coleman(b), ?(ds), and Keiko Lee(vo). I asked his autograph on this >CD, and he said, 'This is good. Very good.' After Japan tour, he recorded >with the same members, which I like: 'Dig, Dug, Dog'(Sony). His sound is >mild, and played 'Body & Soul', 'Sister Chelyl', etc. > >I first watched Konitz last year when he played with Barre Phillips(b) >and Keiji Haino(g)(!!). Lee Konitz is the ONLY jazz player who has been taking the risk of playing with Derek Bailey. I saw a concert some years ago in Belgium with Konitz, Misha Mengelberg, Ernst Glerum, Han Bennink and that was one of the best concerts I ever happened to listen to ! Lee Konitz is a genius and an exception in the jazz world !!! gerard - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 18:27:41 +1100 (EST) From: James Douglas Knox Subject: Re: Masada String Trio On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, Yves Dewulf wrote: > P.S. I remember that Bar Kokhba also played a very dark ambient piece of > about 20 minutes in their-Ghent concert last year. Baron was playing his > cymbals with a bow and Baptista was making all kinds of strange noises on > percussion. The mood was very much kristallnacht-like. Hope they will record > this one day ! > Me too - sounds fantastic! Thanks for posting the review, as well - some choice reading, and a small componsation for those of us who didn't see the gig. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:31:43 -0800 From: Michael Howes Subject: Marclay & Sclavis >> There is an amazing piece called "Duo" with Marclay and Louis Sclavis that >>goes for 27+ minutes. > >> I absolutely love the Marclay/Sclavis track. > > Michael, could you please try to explain what you love in Sclavis' >work ? > I don't know anything at all about Sclavis except this track. On this track (which sounds completly improvised but I don't know) I think the two are really together. There are a few places where Sclavis seems to play along in to-obvious ways. For example I think there is a point where Marclay is messing with some cartoon soundtrack sounds and sound effects and Sclavis just starts honking like he is a kid playing a toy. That just seems to easy. But on the rest of the track he is right with Marclay (or Marclay is right with him). Marclay uses a lot of different sources in many ways and Sclavis creates sounds that work really well. I feel like I'm implying Marclay is "leading" this duo. I don't think either really "leads" here. I've never heard other Sclavis work........ On the Maclay topic..I picked up "More Encores" today. I had never heard it before. On first listen I like it. The Stauss seems silly but the Armstrong is amazing. mike mhowes@best.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 09:35:05 -0500 From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" Subject: Re: Marclay & Sclavis Michael Howes wrote: > >> There is an amazing piece called "Duo" with Marclay and Louis > Sclavis that > >>goes for 27+ minutes. > > > >> I absolutely love the Marclay/Sclavis track. > > > > Michael, could you please try to explain what you love in > Sclavis' > >work ? > > > > I don't know anything at all about Sclavis except this track. This would be Louis Sclavis. He has several hard to find CDs on European labels, and two ECM releases. On the first, Rouge, you can imagine yourself in a smoke filled Moroccan cafe. Rather slow moving. The second, Acoustic Quartet, features the excellent guitarist Marc Ducret (lately heard on Bobby Previte's new Latin for Travelers and a Euro-member of Tim Berne's Bloodcount). IMHO he's rather wasted in this setting. Again rather moody stuff here, and remember it's ECM. Sclavis has a partner of sorts on these recordings, Dominique Pifarley, a fine violinist. These recordings are all rather impressionistic rather than rythmic. He has also recorded with Cecil Taylor. Alan Kayser - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 12:43:01 -0500 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) Subject: Re: Previte (was Marclay & Sclavis) At 09:35 AM 11/22/97 -0500, you wrote: > the excellent guitarist Marc >Ducret (lately heard on Bobby Previte's new Latin for Travelers How is this? I saw it in the store, but since it had a smaller group than I expect from Previte I passed it up for the moment. Plus I find Ducret's work to be hit or miss, often liking him a lot in the brief moments he actually plays, but not really hearing enough to judge (I think on Nice View, maybe?) - -- Caleb T. Deupree cdeupree@interagp.com, or cdeupree@erinet.com ;; For every complex question there is a simple answer. ;; And it is wrong. (H. L. Mencken) - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 13:09:45 -0500 From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" Subject: ornette The R.P.D.D. title refers to Relation of the Poet to Day Dreaming. Alan Kayser - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 13:33:57 -0500 From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" Subject: Re: Previte (was Marclay & Sclavis) Caleb Deupree wrote: > At 09:35 AM 11/22/97 -0500, you wrote: > > > the excellent guitarist Marc > >Ducret (lately heard on Bobby Previte's new Latin for Travelers > > How is this? I saw it in the store, but since it had a smaller group > than I > expect from Previte I passed it up for the moment. Plus I find > Ducret's > work to be hit or miss, often liking him a lot in the brief moments he > > actually plays, but not really hearing enough to judge (I think on > Nice > View, maybe?) > > Caleb: Bobby calls this his "garage band." And so it is. On the CD Ducret and Jerome Harris are on guitar, Jamie Saft on keys. Harris also plays some bass. They recently visited the Painted Bride here in Philadelphia and played two fine sets. However, in the states Ducret is replaced by Stew Cutler. Bobby's "sound" is still very much alive in this band, but his excellent writing for horns is set aside in favor of a more fusion sound. They will have a second CD coming out early next year from the same Australian tour. Ducret is featured on Tim Berne's "Big Satan" a trio effort, which unfortunately is available only as an import on Winter and Winter. He also has a solo release on the same label. He's on Berne's JMT releases: Pace Yourself, Diminutive Mysteries, and Nice View. Alan Kayser - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 19:39:12 GMT From: Tony Reif Subject: Re: J.T. Lewis, Stomu Takeishi Christopher Hamilton inquired: > >Yeah, he's really killing on this. And Stomu Takeishi has the most >original electric bass conception I've heard in quite a while. Anyone >know what else he's done? He's a member of the Patrick Zimmerli Ensemble (along with his percussionist brother Satoshi and Ben Monder) - Songlines 1508. Tony Reif (Songlines Recordings) - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #174 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. 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